Owning a TESLA With No Home Charger!
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Some people will not buy a @tesla because they do not have home EV charging. I speak with Alvin Tham, who has owned a Tesla Model 3 Performance for 8 months, on his experience without home EV charging in Singapore. In this video, we also demonstrate how to use public EV chargers & the Tesla Supercharger, finding available EV charging lots on your Tesla and upcoming changes to Supercharging in Singapore. Subscribe to stay updated to more videos on Tesla!
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Timestamps:
00:00 Owning a Tesla with No Home Charger in Singapore!
01:05 Using Shell Recharge EV Charger
03:37 Finding Available Public EV Chargers on a Tesla
05:56 Confidence to Buy a Tesla without Home EV Charger?
06:45 Biggest Myths About EV Charging?
08:15 Would Using Tesla Supercharger Too Often Degrade My Battery Faster?
09:16 Tesla Model 3 Battery Degradation After 8 Months (18,500km)
10:03 How Long Can a Tesla's Battery Last?
10:25 Drive to Katong V Tesla Supercharger Station
10:45 Queuing for Public EV Chargers in Singapore
12:30 Using the Tesla Supercharger (Katong V)
13:17 Supercharging in the Rain?
14:02 How To Track Charge Progress on Tesla App
14:33 Weekly EV Charging Routine
16:54 Tesla Supercharger Pay Per kWh and Idle Fees
19:31 Advice for Tesla Owners With No Home EV Charger
20:08 Owning a Tesla With No Home Charger Can Work!
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Disclosure: Alvin and I are long TSLA and are members of Tesla Owners Singapore Club. This is not financial advice and is not a paid sponsorship. Always do your own research on investing and EV purchase.
i guess people can get used to this in no time. given the fact that we had been doing such battery related planning from 20 years ago with all our personal devices. EV is the way forward. thank you for the video and both of you were very communicative and calm in bringing the essential points out.
Hey Yiyang! Good point on our habits evolving with our personal devices. Many people complained about needing to charge the Apple Watch daily (compared to weekly for other smartwatches), yet it's now one of the most widely used smartwatches.
Thank you! I live in the US, but a lot of this information can be applied to anyone anywhere.
Thanks Chilo!
Remember, it depends on your habits. Also SG is SMALL, there are no distances. Compair with USA is not really applicable.
Great video! I lived in a condo with no dedicated at home charging, so I lived the same way you do. For 4 months I supercharged my 2014 Model S 60 almost daily. Now we live where we can charge directly at home, even though it's slower. 😀👍🏿
Thanks for sharing your experience and being an early EV pioneer, James!
Thanks Darren n Alvin! Very informative!
Another great content! Keep it up!
Very informative video Daren!
very good insight and helpful to many who wanted to switch to EV. Appreciate you guys!
Daren this is a great service to would be Tesla and other EV owners around the world. When I checked how many non Tesla chargers were around me I was shocked to see how many there were years ago when seeing a Tesla was still a rare site. Things are only getting better so the resistance to get off the pump and get onto the plug is even more compelling.
Great video to showcase how having an EV is possible without having a garage at home. Just like petrol stations are not at our house and we plan where to fill up... this is the same but we can do something fun at the same time and not only use or time productively we will also save MONEY. I know which one I prefer.
Thanks D R-K! Singapore is also fortunate that it’s relatively late adoption of EVs means that it gets EVs with higher range and wider availability of fast EV chargers. The country is a 50km (30 miles) drive from end-to-end, which is shorter than some LA commutes!
Fun and very informative video. Waiting on my Cybertruck. Up until know I had never seen the detailed procedure or heard these issues explicitly discussed, so for me it was very helpful. I know my son has given some thought about buying a Tesla, and as an apartment dweller brought this up as this no home charger issue. I will definitely let him view your walk-through! Btw Alvin's a pretty cool guy! You're a good team. Thanks Daren!!
Thanks for the kind words, Frederic! The Cybertruck will be next level.
Next level for sure! Say, I wanted to suggest a video or two (or more) introducing Singapore to your audience. Most Americans have never been out of the country, although some have traveled to Mexico and the Caribbean for the resorts and people in the northern states to Canada. A tiny percentage have been to East Asia and even fewer to your beautiful country. You can keep it Tesla-related as you stop at Supercharger locations and perhaps interview other owners about their Tesla experience. Just tossing out some ideas to further differentiate your channel! What do you think?
Very informative video. Thank you.
Very informative thanks guys
Great video man, very in-depth. Nice Tesla! I’m waiting for my delivery (hopefully in the next few months)
Congrats in advance, AV0807!
good content, thanks!
Good content!
Thanks video very helpful
Awesome. Charging has always been the main consideration for me when I'm deciding whether to get EV or not.
Shldnt be an issue unless you drive more than 100km per day.
I like how steady you held the umbrella 😂
Thanks! My arm holding the camera (1.5kg) was sore after a while haha
Nice to see how most Tsla owners are really nice people
It is type of "persona" that I hope will continue to grow and maintain. Most people really are decent, though I admit it might be hard to remember that at times. If you are not yet an EV owner but wish to be, know that you are joining a large group of different people that are most great and you will also be welcomed. It's a good community with a great mission.
Very informative ...
I own a 2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance for about 1 month without a garage. You can certainly make it work but it’s a hassle when compared to owning an ICE vehicle.
One thing to remember is that Level 3 Superchargers are fast but they cause more wear and tear on your battery. That leaves you with Level 2 charging options which are better than Level 1 (110V Outlet), but they are still fairly slow with an average of 21 miles charge per hour.
So while you can certainly live with an EV without a garage, it’s much easier to live with one if you have a garage to plug in your car when you are not using it.
Another point to consider is that Tesla chargers have a 99% up time but this is not the case for 3rd party chargers as they tend to be less reliable and in many cases are broken. So if you don’t have good Level 2 Tesla options around you, you could find it frustrating to find and use 3rd party chargers. Not only are 3rd party chargers not as reliable but they usually have about 2 stations which can be in use when you need it.
If you live in an apartment like I do, you may not have the option to install a 220V (Level 2) charging in your garage. The 110V outlet (Level 1) is sufficient as long as you don’t drive your Tesla for long distances every day. In my case I work from home so my M3P stays plugged in on average for 16+ hours a day with a 110V outlet.
I sleep for 8 hours and work from home for 8 hours.
The charge from a 110V is about 4 miles per hour so you can easily get about 64 miles charge per day which works if you drive less than this on average. This will allow you to always have enough charge for daily driving without having to use a Level 2 or 3 charger. On the weekends I tend to drive more so I end up using a Level 2 charger to get a little extra boost when needed.
Just my personal input on the matter.
Good video 👍
This is such an important video for people in Singapore who were apprehensive about getting an EV, such as myself. Thanks for the great video
Thanks Jeff!
Nice video
One thing also is not that the battery is degrading but that the driving style affects the range. Just how a gas car if you zoomed everywhere then you'll have less range than when you drive normal.
U have to orientate your lives around charging instances/convenience vs a 5 mins stop to “top up petrol”.
Itchy Bawah for no practical advantage.
Full charge, will run for how many km? Is it possible to own a independent charger mechanism, when you're outside? ( this question is for country like Malaysia, when we go interstates , and not all gas station have EV charger).
Kinda makes our life more inconvenient. One of the reason why I never bought an Apple watch that needs charging every 1~2 days.
Where do you go that uou need charge every 1-2 days
Very informative. Absolutely certain now that I will stay with petrol cars.
Would be great if condos start installing charge facilities, EVs are a great option in Singapore and home charging makes the experience so much better.
Agree! All new condos should have EV chargers as well. In the UK, it’s law for all new buildings to come with EV charging.
Hi Daren is it correct to mention no oil change and going to the workshop at all (new car first oil change and also 10km, etc)...i assume (How is your trip to new giga opening too...looking forward)
Yes! A lot less maintenance on Teslas (any most EVs), and no oil change!
Supercharging damages the battery life. It's recommended by Tesla to charge at lower wattage regularly.
Hi Daren. When are you expecting to get your model Y? I recently got the MY performance and it’s the best car I have ever owned.
Hey Sunil! Planning to get it by early 2023!
@@DarenYoong Great news Daren! I'm looking forward to that video!
think the amount of times you used DC charge point only matters in the 2nd hand market
its one of the main things to look at
It would be a lie to say that there is no compromised in lifestyle. Compare to gas where by you can go where ever you want, If I am driving tesla, I will be very worried if I plan to go east coast park and need to triple check whether they have charging station there?
Feels restrictive to be finding a charging stop every 1-2 days without a home charger. So far only super charger makes sense 15min for 10x the charge.
He does that as a habit he has but not because it is needed that much. Tesla has a very large range and is very efficient, especially for the size of Singapore. He could probably live his life as he did with petrol and fill up every 10 days or even longer but he instead takes advantage of the plugs wherever he is. Your experience and choices will be different depending on the EV you buy, but with a Tesla you can go further and do more before you NEED to charge.
That's not true. It depends on how much you drive per day, the average is approx 50kms but some do less and some more. You replenish the average use per day, you would need 3 mins in a supercharger or 2 hours in a conventional charger which is 40:1 ratio in speed
Hi Daren, can Tesla accessories be bought on physical stores or only online?
Only online, Wei Jie!
i have a question. how does the onbaord computer communicate with the smart phone app when you are far away from the car? is there like 4G data subscription needed or smth?
I believe the higher COE goes, the more compelling Tesla (and other EVs) will be. The resale value of ICE cars will continue declining as we get closer to the 2030 phase out of new ICE car sales.
In the US, the map doesn't display any public chargers that use the common connector that all the other manufacturers use (J1772). We only see destination chargers that are installed at hotels, wineries, malls, and other businesses. For connecting to the common public chargers, cars sold in the US include a J1772 adapter.
Thanks for the insight, Tao Hua!
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I’m sure this works fine in Singapore where there is basically summer all your round. Imagine living here in Norway with -25 degrees Celsius without a home charger. Heating up your car every morning with a cold battery. Wasting 30% battery on heating and maintaining cabin temp.
When the car charges overnight with a plannned departure it also keeps the battery nice and warm, extending the range and the damage done to the battery driving it ice cold.
Hey Kai! Fair point and agree. Don't see this being feasible in cold weather. We had our honeymoon in Norway and hope to return one day!
Let's hope NIO battery swap comes to Singapore.
How to travel long distance like to Malaysia where there are very few chargers?
More are coming up across North-South Expressway, and Tesla is building another Supercharger near Woodlands! Many Tesla owners have made successful trips to Penang and KL, and shared their videos on social media.
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I would like to ask say if you charge your Tesla to say 80% and you go overseas for 2 weeks. What is the likely battery % of the Tesla when you return home?
As we know, say phone...even if you do not use it, the battery loses % over time. I am not sure of Tesla.
For petrol, we knew that the petrol level doesn't change. Just wondering if it ever get to zero say you are out of country for 1-2 months. Will it get to zero, too low level to drive and in your home parking lot, there's no charge points and in that case, how can you start up the car or even get the Tesla enough charge to get to the nearby Super charger?
Hey Jason! The battery loses about 1% each day (depends on factors like weather conditions), so you can expect to lose around 14-20% battery in a 2 week overseas vacation. For those with home charging, Tesla strongly recommends keeping the vehicle plugged in to maintain battery health. For those without home charging, it's best to leave the country with at least 80% state of charge.
Discharging the Battery to 0% may result in damage to vehicle components. To protect against a complete discharge, Model 3 enters a low-power consumption mode when the displayed charge level drops to approximately 0%.
More details on battery health on the Tesla Model 3 Owners Manual: www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html
I have a Model 3 and home charge, but my gf, who lives in a condo without charging access, is looking to get a Model Y. We plan on swapping charged cars as needed or having her charge at my place while she visits.
That’s sounds interesting!
This is a very good and informative video! But unfortunately it just double confirm EV is super ma fun! LOL
Haha yes, some people do feel that way! Speak with your friends and family who own an EV to hear their 1st hand experience.
Also waiting for the model Y, any idea when it would launch in SG?
I believe by 2nd half 2022!
@@DarenYoong thanks. Wishful thinking is that COE drops a bit by then! 😅
What is the cost of charging difference per kw between owning your own charging station and charging outside?
In Suzhou where I work there's peak and non-peak hours which ranges between 40 cents after midnight to 1RMB after 8am. Charging outside is actually much more expensive from 1.8RMB upwards to 2RMB and even more.
p/s: That's why I think Tesla's super charger network can be so profitable too coz a stall can easily turn over 1RMB/kw GP in China (somemore they don't take up extra space)
Hey Keith. Good question and happy to hear answers from other Singapore EV owners with home charging. I do not know the answer. Agree with your sentiment that it'll likely be cheaper with home charging!
if you are planning to build one supercharger at home, you are definitely Living in a landed property. If I were to be living in a landed property, I will fully utilize the space and build solar panels. this way, I am energy independent and all my electricity will be free.
3:35 don't manually close the charge port. They break when you do that. Close it from the screen instead
Thanks for the advice! The charge port door also automatically closes within approximately 10 seconds of removing the connector from the charge port. www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-BEE08D47-0CE0-4BDD-83F2-9854FB3D578F.html
Clearly a very impatient move, from an impatient man (… often I’ll just let it close) 😂
Haha. Just need to wait almost everywhere got charging station in each carpark. Then dun need to wait for charge.
i think he forgot to mention one of his reasons for getting an EV is to reduce air pollution & saving the environment
True!
Yes! It's not for the views
Yup it's in our hearts 😎✊💚
If we go Malaysia and drive to KL, Penang. How to find where to charge?
The PlugShare app would help you find most public EV chargers!
There are still a bigger issue when more people own a electric car, there are not enough stations to charge
When talking about battery degradation, should talk about NCA vs LFP battery. I believe the new LFP degradation is lesser.
Yes, you're right! Didn't know this before. www.onecharge.biz/blog/lfp-lithium-batteries-live-longer-than-nmc/
I also always think like that 😅
Suprised Shell offer a 11/22kw AC charger in SG, only 50/75kw DC chargers at service stations in Australia which is much faster, further to some 350kw charging stations run by 3rd parties like chargefox/evie and then dedicated Tesla superchargers. Some councils offer 11/22kw AC chargers as well as 50kw DC chargers to promote people visiting their municipality
Agree. DC chargers would be more appropriate at Shell service stations.
After spending 150K ~ 200K for a new EV car, and you still need to change your lifestyle to accommodate it, isn't it this absurd?
It’s beyond being absurd! But you wouldn’t wanna convince a Tesla owner, would you?
Hey .. how about the prospects of renewing the COE after 10 years .. I doubt that there will be anything wrong with a Tesla Mechanically!?
Hey Rohit! Because the pace of EV advancement (especially Teslas) is still very fast, it’s unlikely that many people would want to renew their Tesla COE after 10 years. It would be like holding on to an iPhone for 10 years. The industry used to be a lot slower, but Tesla is changing things. Many parts of a Tesla (including the batteries) can be recycled.
i suppose owners will still have to pay for the car park entry fee for the duration of the charging right? unless the strategy is to charge within 10-15 mins under the grace period.
Yes, many locations will have a carpark fee! 10 mins on a Tesla Supercharger can likely charge up to 150km (if battery state of charge is below 80%).
@@DarenYoong 10mins for 150km is actually very impressive. super convenient to just do a quick stop islandwide (in future), surf the web on the phone abit, and then have the next 2-3 days of mileage settled in 10-15mins. rinse and repeat. my initial worry is that people might be so used to charging to full tank on ICE so they expect the same on EVs, which will take much longer time. might deter the transition to EVs this way. I guess the former will apply to non landed tesla owners, but the latter full tank is for landed tesla owners who can afford to do so.
@@hgr126 Education and cost will help curb that. This video and you comment will help to keep that at bay. It is a societal lifestyle change we are a part of, like plugging in your phone. Our parents and grandparents never had to do that or could imagine doing it, but now look at us all. It will become common place and as battery chemistry changes and it becomes the standards so will certain habits and behaviors become the norm.
Many charging places have free parking
Electric car in singapore is useful for short distance drive or city drive. Not logic to Malaysia drive and commercial use. Electric fees is higher than using fuel ,job delay every 1.5 days needs charging whereas fuel only every 5 days . The only logic for Singapoe use between two country is hybrid vehicles.
Thank you Daren for sharing this. perhaps you could also do a video talking to owners how is the quality of their cars. There is apparently some hesitation that the QC of cars are not great but the China made ones might be different.
Great suggestion, Kenneth! Will do this in a future video
How much to charge full?????
Around SG$30-40 in Singapore
What handphone mount is that?
It’s from Autoguru on Shopee: shopee.sg/product/113078357/8284647127?smtt=0.125784277-1650082217.9
Can you charge while keeping the engine on?
Hey Jonathan! Yes, the car can be left on as it's charging, just like how we use our phones while plugged in!
Engine on? 😂
Share with Blue sg..
Is it dangerous charging in heavy rain?
Hey Ocean! It's generally okay to charge your EV in the rain. www.tesla.com/en_SG/support/supercharging
2:10 thats why i heard in US you will need to paye extra for ofer charge so you will not leave your car over
Yes, we have idle fees now in Singapore as well (just started in early-April)!
One important thing you guys forgot to mention for owning a EV, there are no servicing/maintenance required! (no oil servicing, no Transmission oil, no need to worry about carbon buildup, etc)
Agree! In Singapore, this is currently partially offset by higher road taxes and insurance for EVs vs ICE cars. I believe the right thing to do is to increase the cost of ICE ownership (carbon taxes, less fuel subsidies to reflect the true cost to society).
Need to pay parking fee at OC also… not cheap
So tesla in Singapore uses a different charger port! It seems to be J1772. We use different one in canada. Which is a normal tesla charger port.
Yes, we don't use the proprietary Tesla charge port in many countries around the world.
AC is not necessarily slow charge. Tesla can only charge at 11kw AC.
AC can go as high as 37-43kw for other cars.
You're right, AC can charge up to 43kW. Thanks for the correction, sammnet! www.virta.global/blog/ev-charging-and-basics-of-electricity
He just convince me that we shouldn’t get a Tesla for now atleast.. it is really inconvenient, looking for charging all the time.. imagine if it is pouring. Not forgetting the higher insurance and higher road tax, it erodes more than any savings you get from charging.
Yes, some people feel this way! It’s good to speak with friends or family who have an EV to hear their 1st hand views on the pros & cons. Most people won’t need a car in Singapore with our good public transportation.
why do you choose to carry on the interview in the rain? haha
Hey Ashley. We wanted to let others see the charging experience in the rain. It rains a lot in Singapore, so this gives a view of both rain & shine. Hopefully it helps destigmatize charging in the rain!
How about consider switching to cab for the convenience and then use the money saved to buy a Rolex Daytona?
Hey Hazy Day. Yes, public transportation is the most sustainable and affordable option in Singapore, and the savings can be reinvested!
other than cheaper energy cost, what are their other financial benefits of owning an EV(be it electric car or electric motorcycle)? in terms of the COE cost, road tax and insurance. Does it make financial sense in general to own an EV in Singapore?
It makes sense for most people to not own a car in Singapore. We can buy 3 cars in other countries for the cost of 1 car in Singapore. For the remaining ones who have conviction to own a car, Tesla is one of the best choices.
How many KM can 1 hour of re-charge takes your car?
Up to 270km in 30 mins on a Tesla Supercharger
I will buy when retired with plenty of cash and time.
Lucky guy with money and no need to work. Just drive around looking for public charger. For people like me not having such deep pocket and all the time in the world, will find it very difficult. EVs cars are not for everyone.
Yes, an EV isn’t for everyone. Public transport is the a great option for most Singaporeans!
Also there's a few videos of people with 200K+ miles on their Tesla already. So battery is good
Good to hear!
Nope.. I won't do it
Tesla without home charger in Singapore? Shouldn't be a problem for any EV unless its leaf 24Kw
Thanks. Until super chargers are available in every petrol stations and other charging stations, no sense to spend so much time charging, including looking for availability slots, take (spend money) time to do other tasks like taking other transport to gym😅, buying coffee to wait while one will not take while taking petrol. Wait till 2030 and hopefully the government replace all chargers to super chargers. Need to compare apple to apple without changing present lifestyle, in taking full tank and full charge in terms of time taken and costs. The car should improve your lifestyle and not changing lifestyle for the car 🤣. Meantime hybrid car is the way to go for now... for greener path and environmental friendly.
on every street... probably
As more and more start to buy EV car, next time the charging stations will be crowded then the stations will be fully occupied, so have to queue to charge? waste of time, no?
Very familiar straits English accent.
damn you driven the car a lot in those 8 months
I’m only using supercharger for like 2 year, and it has no problem at all. Lmao
Tesla thinks technology. They forget formable. Check there seats. It is short. Check its handles. Always play with you ! It is hard to catch it for newer. Check its frunk. Always need two hands close it. 😀
You're not supposed to manually close the car port, it's self closing...
True! It closes by itself after 10 seconds
Lol my name is Elven too
Alvin doesn't have access to how much the car has been charged at Shell on his phone? Stange
Hey John. Alvin will be able to see the current state of charge from the Tesla app while charging at Shell Recharge (or other public EV chargers).
common to Indoneaia try to make business by building some commercial charging station
Can Tesla charges other EV cars
Not currently!
Lol, if I stay north side I will need I travel to center to charge my EV. So inconvenient
There’s a Tesla Supercharger at Waterway Point Mall in Punggol, and another is opening in Woodlands soon.
Not a very neutral review, didn't talk about the negative issues n possible scenarios, like if he goes to that Shell and want to go to the gym, but the lot is already taken up by another car, won't your schedule and plans all get haywire? Also, the cost of ev, esp Tesla, is almost double than ICE cars, and uncertainty on how much the fees for charging will increase in the near future, so, no to EV for most of the drivers now.
Yes, that's a fair point. Am currently in California, and there are queues for many EV chargers. It'll always be good to have some buffer battery and/or backup plans in case the EV charger we're heading to is occupied.
On pricing, a Toyota Camry would be similar pricing with a Tesla Model 3 SR+. EV charging fees are consistently lower than fuel costs in every country in the world. In Singapore, many businesses estimate up to SG$6,000 of fuel savings per year switching to EVs. There are also other lower cost EV options available from BYD, MG and Hyundai (some of their models are in COE Category A).
I heard that cars there are so expensive. How much did you pay for your car $300k? =)
A Tesla Model 3 would cost around US$150k in Singapore (3x US prices)
What an awful place to have a performance car. The speed limits are all to slow and there are so many speed camera. So many regulations. I don’t know if EV’s have a COE but I hope not as it is so repressive.
Fair points! Yes, Teslas are in Category B COE in Singapore
do not complain Tesla or other EVs, ask Singapore government why they make the move in new energy so slow. To me so ridiculous the government is also not ramping up EV superchargers with their reason that wasted battery is damaging more to the envrionment. I don't understand why they can't make a battery recycling plant or invest new technology on that.
if the government wants oil so much why not buy more oil from putin? ridiculous
Haha can we do review of your white colour seats after 1 year of usage hahaha.
Yes haha!
Yeahhhh i rather not go full electric lol