As a disfellowshipped JW myself, it is ironic that the things that you once feared the most (disfellowshipping, divorce) and cause some of the greatest pain one can ever feel; ultimately are what can lead you to the greatest emotional liberation and relief one can ever experience.
That is so very true. Getting out of a cult is liberating. Out of a bad marriage is a close second. I made up my mind that I would never to do either again.
Thank you so much Patrick for this video. Mama loves you so much honey. I’m your mama and had to leave you to get away from all the abuse I endured while married to your dad I’m so proud of who you have become. ❤️
This breaks my heart. I fully understand you, as one of Disfellowship in 2006 for doing what I had to do to divorce a manipulative controlling JW Husband. It’s hard to see all the fake “brotherly love” when your still blindly devoted to the organization.
So sorry you had so little time with your son. He’s a well-spoken, good hearted, lovely young man. I hope you two have time to heal your relationship.❤️
@@chrisdurant4627 "Jah watches everything" is just the fearmongering way of saying the sad reality: everyone around you is a snitcher. Don't trust no religious if you need freedom.
Thank you for your story.One of my biggest regret in my life is me confess my sins to these men call JW elders. If you knew what I had to deal with in the congregation (Unknowingly behinds the Scene) The slander and Pure Hatred from men that I thought was loving Brothers was one of the biggest shock of my Jehovah witness life. I urge all that read this comment DO NOT I repeat DO NOT confess your transgressions to them they do more harm than Good.
Blackman power, read.psalm 64, and.140, brilliant, satan can use the.elders, yes,.didnt jesus.say to peter,, get behind me.satan,,.you think the thougts of.men, so yes.he.can use any one.of.us,,,
Yes, I agree. Going to the elders was one of the most stressful times in my life 'confessing my sins', answering to them ,them watching, judging and being marked was so depressing. I tell everyone that asks me don't get involved with this mess.
I enjoyed this video. Thank you. I was raised JW. My husband and I were JW together for 10 years and then we left the organization after reading Ray Frank book. We have done a lot of exploration and now we just read the Bible together and pray every morning and that is all we need. Jesus is our Lord and Savior- no men telling us what to do. God bless you!
Patrick, I was so impressed by your courage and boldness in telling your story. Your story proves once again how very narrow minded and non understanding this organization is. It's not a so called loving organization as it proclaims to be. Nothing even close. Causing division and the break up of families is something directly against the family arrangement that God instituted in the first place. The GB teaches their elder body to be callus and cruel to everyone that misses the mark of perfection. Individuals are treated like trash and thrown out like they never knew you. There's no help, no encouragement, no rehabilitation, nothing. Its nothing but shame, guilt and judgment. Its interesting how this GB talks about FORGIVENESS, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. Its very disgusting and despicable. The hypocrisy is so ridiculous that it sinister. You have definitely done the right thing by not going back to a very abusive, high controlling, narcissistic culture. I am glad that you have a relationship with your mother and you can now live your best life, fulfilling your dreams and aspirations. You will find another mate. You are a very attractive young man with a good head on your shoulders. The best way to prove this CULT wrong, is to become the biggest success in your life. This CULT is an EXTREMIST GROUP and more and more people are leaving and waking up. The more you tell your story the more you help someone else from becoming a victim or helping them get out of this sick and wicked cult. That's the REAL LIFE SAVING WORK. I wish you all the success in the world and happiness. You are a HERO!!!!!. Thanks So Much. 😊
This is a great interview. I love how the questions were in text. Too often good interviews are ruined by the interviewers interjection into the story. Patrick has such a compelling story too. Glad he was able to tell it as it is.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Why is Mat. 28:19 Father and Son in capital letters and Holy Spirit in small letters? Here we go teaching a corrupted Scripture of the Jehovah idolatry. The Governing Body invented who knows how in 1919 the channel to Idolatry, lying and destruction. The 8 puppets in Warwick put into practice to the letter Proverbs 6:16-19. And you think they still have jehovah's favour?
@@vusimngomezulu2500 if you base your entire life on one book, written 2000+ years ago, you are close minded. We as a society have come a long way since then. Learned that the Bible has many many errors and contradictions. We have learned to trust science and developed a much better form of morality. It seems you aren't there yet. Do more actual research. Look up some of those doctrines the Bible teaches. Stop spouting nonsense.
@@vusimngomezulu2500, Do you know how to read the Bible? Those verses you quote are exactly what JW do..... " say Lod, Lod.. or Jehovah.. Jehovah, they are false prophets ........... These very own verses you quote completely condemn JW in their own face. Just read the Bible properly as it is written!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great interview, thanks Patrick. It’s amazing how much power over your life this org has. We all have such similar stories and experiences that we can relate to. The judicial committee is such an evil tool used by untrained men to railroad people, a lot of times they already have decided if they want to punish you. It’s amazing how they can cover up child molestation, yet cause irreversible damage to so many young people that are just going through normal sexual discovery. Stay strong, you’re free.
Lloyd Evans is "the truth" about "the truth." I fumbled up on him after watching one of your videos. Dude, too long in between videos, but worth the wait. Truly enjoyed his story. Truly enjoying your videos, Justin, looking forward to seeing more, 😊
He reveals some useful things. However, we can't make the mistake of being fully influenced by any one person. Be careful of anyone who does this full time, because when a "production" takes priority, sometimes an agenda becomes too important
I think Lloyd is one of the "full time" activists that we need right now. If we don't have people taking it that seriously, exposing the rhetoric of the JWs, then what is going to change? I see these activists as watchdogs, a type of role that many people do in government, business, etc. to ensure that powerful groups and individuals are not allowed to abuse others without comment or awareness outside of the situation. We need activists like Llyod and many others to take on this cult, to make a record of the secrets and lies of the JW leaders.
Glad you made this video! As a Exjw elder I’m so glad this man woke up! It’s the hardest time of life but the best thing that could happen. Thank you for your wonderful way of doing Your activism! Very enjoyable. 👊😊🙏
Hey Mr. Lee! There’s an email Dropbox at the very end of each video (I might move it towards the beginning going forward). You can get in touch there. I don’t post the email directly in the comments to avoid attracting more spam than usual. Thank you.
So let me get this straight. Exemplary Elder Lost his father Got married Decided to be brutally honest with wife and GB about his vices, And they disfellowshipped you… how loving of them to knock you down when you’re already in so much pain… Aren’t you glad to be free of this so called loving religion? Great interview Patrick I’m really proud of you.❤️
Iron rod sheperding of Christ ..do they have the right to do this ? Is that after Armageddon or before ?😊 Who gives them that authority ? What is it supposed to accomplish ? Is there a bigger picture
Great interview, ex elder, ex sub circuit overseer, ex Gilead missionary class of 97 in 1994, spend 3 years in Honduras as a missionary. Out since 2005.
Tough yards brother. But now you know true freedom. How does a guy poor his heart out and someone gives it a thumbs down? There are some strange people in the world.
Great interview - really enjoyed hearing Patrick's story - I can relate to a lot of what he has to say, especially the part about being left with no-one. Hope he's doing ok.
Wow thank you. I found the truth about the truth nine months into my disfellowshipping, I just told the elders what they wanted to hear and after one year I was reinstated. One of the elders wanted to study gods love book with me after my reinstatement. I told him I would prefer to study the shepherd the flock of god book specifically the section that has to do with the way I was treated in my judicial hearing. Obviously he told me “that is not a study book where did you get that”. I told him that my contributions helped not only the writing printing and distribution of this book I will read this book whether you study it with me or not. All of the elders blocked my number. Talk about a hard fade LOL. I’m sure you have a much happier life now. The problem I had with dating a sister, I felt like I could never be myself. You’re really brave for coming forward, That’s what I did I came forward on my own.
Glad you’re back and really enjoyed Patrick’s story . Just so sad that he was trying to be honest and be repenting that he was thrown under the bus ! In hindsight it was the best thing that happened to him because it allowed him to wake up ! Looking forward to more from the both of you !
Thank you so much for this interview!!! The experience and the recommendation that he gives at the end really helped me understand the struggles that sometimes arise in me. I’ve been in the religion for 35 years and woke up 3 years ago and there are moments that my core is shaken. And it’s not that I want to go back or anything (after not even zooming for months now) but what worries me is my family inside because of my fault! And I’m looking for ways of how I persuade them in, how to reverse it! Thank you again to you and To Patrick! Be safe!
Excellent interview and advice for anyone being shunned or disfellowshipped. It's only once you wake up from this high control group, that you realise it's not built on love, but on fear, guilt and shame. No wonder there's such a high level of depression and mental health issues amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, because they are not living a true authentic life. Thank you Patrick for your heartfelt story, you are so much happier now!
Excellent video! Thank you for your story Patrick and telling it so well! Yes there is life after leaving this organization. The sky really is the limit; the freedom, the peace for starters.
I haven’t got personal ties to JW, just pure curiosity as I follow no religion and haven’t ever. Great story, Onwards and Upwards for you. You are Free never forget it👍
👍 Raised by my Mom around Elders my whole life ... Grandpa was Elder Mom was a single mother ..... Now is married to a Elder uncles were elders ... I was disfellowshiped came back and wrote a disassociate letter in 2013 - 14 after 27 years in it .....
Pioneered at 15, ministerial servant at 20 (first year of the program), elder at 22 years old, and regular pioneered till 1975. I can relate to everything you are saying, even bringing back some lost memories. Thanks
i listened intently to your entire story. I have to be honest- it was not easy to contain my anger and contempt for Watchtower as i listened to how it took a young man reaching out for help and completely annihilated him in the name of God. There is no family that is not adversely effected by this cult. As for individual dubs, the only way they can remain in Watchtower is by allowing it to completely subsume their humanity. You might have noticed that it once you liberated yourself from Watchtower, you regained your humanity pretty quickly. Welcome back to reality. :-))) i’m sorry about your marriage.
Very Truthful and Heart Warming Video to Bare it all (DDD)... As a Rank and File (JW's) You'd think it's the right thing to do (confess) that's what Jehovah would want you to do...but the Outcome (Disfellowship) you'd Wonder...What happened to Merciful, Kindness, Empathy even Love none of those displayed in a Judicial Commitee instead the Opposite (Judgemental)... Where was Jehovah when you needed him !?!... thats the "IRONY" WT ORG (Cult) and the GB's (8 Dude's in NY) is not the Truth its a Man-made Organisation that Breaks up Families (Shunning) ... I've learnt looking back...🤔
You've got the answer and question there.the qualities you expressed a desire to see allied to justice..ARE NOT THERE. WHY ? IRON ROD. REV 19:15 There's nothing kind or soft..forgiving or yielding in IRON.is there.. Unravel that scripture.. You ll detect what's going on is that style of shepherding is in place NOW. Verse 17,18..? Now..as far as l can see.. So many negative consequences* follow don't they..Read rev 11:5 & 6.. Plagues *..that word covers it. Baptised at 30..Jesus was mature Not way before..* A whole world of trouble often ensues ..hormones etc.. ALMIGHTY GOD AUTHORISES..the two witnesses to do it..
What Russian president did after giving an award ..prophet ezek alluded to accumulated properties..and hooks..the other hooks may be shunned ones.defenceless victims..for whom he stepped in to defend..in unprotected settlements Ezek 38 :4 Ezek 38:22 may well be in play..Time will tell. If God joins in as he did with Moses..we will know. Stand still & See Jahs salvation !!
Amazing how when under any questioning or scrutiny “ The Truth” comes tumbling down like a house of cards. You would think “ The Truth” would be alot stronger than that.
What a sad story, my heart goes out to you. Sorry for the loss of your father. So first you lose your father, got DF, wife leaves and file for separation . Maybe she wasn’t there for the long haul, but whatever. I’m glad you found a counselor. I hope you’re finding your freedom liberating.. Glad you have solid unconditional relationship with your mom.❤️
Thank you Patrick for sharing your story. It is hard to put yourself out there. Thank you Hunter for your channel. I enjoy your approach - very matter of fact but relaxing. Keep up the good work.
Speak to me who went deep into seeking the truth and was visited by an Angel who changed me and took me into heaven.. i know more than anyone you will ever meet. Unless like me Jesus appears in your home and helps you do miracles.
I know what It feels out of the sudden my dad died too at 69 completely unexpected even though he also neglected his health and was sick but not to the point of passing. Your world just gets confusing by the minute. I was as well 29. Weird coincidences but I woke up at 24 after being a MS and seeing what was the real truth how elders are. They are not what the regular witness believe they are.
THANK U PATRICK MUCHLY, VERY BRAVE TO BE SO HONEST AND BARE ALL, THAT CAN"T OF BEEN EASY AND YOUR WIFE WASN"T SUPPORTIVE, LIKE SHE HAS NEVER SINNED, GET A LIFE, WELL I SUPPOSE SHE FEELS SHE HAS ONE, WELL GOOD LUCK TO HER WITH THAT ONE !!!!! ALL THE VERY BEST, PAT, U CAN TELL U R A LOVELY BOY, HEAD AND CHIN UP THEY HAVE LOST ANOTHER GOOD ONE AND JAH SEE"S IT ALL JC FROM NEW ZEALAND
What a bunch of creeps the elders were. After everything you have done for the congregation. Its unbelievable that they treated you like this. Welcome to Freedom my brother.
1:00:20 I think it was the answer to your prayer imo. 1:12:26 I really have trouble watching any of those videos but I completely get what you're saying.
Well done young man. I was D/fd at age 71 for daring to state I did not like the 8 goons of the GB. To question what do we have to offer anymore, 1914 Elastic band had snapped ,denial about 1975. Best day of my life.
I really appreciate you talking about the reality of being an elder one of my 1st elder meetings I had been told each elder was equal not true I tried to contribute to the meeting could tell they weren't taking me seriously so afterwards I shared my thoughts privately with one of the elders so I asked why he answered bluntly " they don't respect you "
Wow. Your story is good , I was asking myself questions also after leaving and I prayed to god asking questions and Lloyd evans popped up on my RUclips channel.
My take away from this in not 'Don't confess to an Elder' but rather if admitting your Thought Crime can get you shunned by your community, you should leave that community.
When all that happens you feel like this is unique and its never happened to anyone before. You get a wake-up call that this happens everyday, everywhere and to every type of person. Your storey is nearly mirror image of mine and many others, especially appointed men.
When I was a teenager back in the 50's, there was a JW party for teens every few months where every JW kid in the city could go. There were about 50 of us in the city. It was a wonderful break.
More, more, more. You must do More! Every hour on the hour for and hour. Remember, Their could be an Asteroid somewhere out there with your name on it.
Thx for interview Hey did you know Rodger Stewart ?? He’s an amazing elder in the Tacoma area 👌🏻👌🏻 he has an electrical company I’m thinking about trying to wake him up ⬆️✅🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Thx for interview guys
@@pviau90 Hello Patrick. 67 yo ex elder, and a successful fader. It’s 3:00 am here. Your honesty and real “truth” have touched, affirmed and fortified me. For me, Jesus was the solution. People such as you help so much. May God forever watch over and care for you. So happy to hear about your mom.
Confessing my ass..... I even broke up with my girlfriend because she forced me to sleep out with her and later on told me that we should get back to Jehovah, I was like 'You crazy,' remember this was your idea. lol, I have been fading for 5 years now, I still get messages from elders I just ignore them. Dude its a cult.
They are all trapped in the system! Assume that some elders in his judicial committee have watched porn or masturbate ( which is highly probable) what do you expect from them? breaking in tears and tell him “oh patrick, we relate to your sin, we did it also”?? or trying to minimise it, and raise the suspicion of the other elders? there is no way out for any of them. The problem is not their hypocrisy, and Patrick explained it very well, because he also accepted to be an elder even with his secret « sin », believing « in J s blessing ». The problem is the fundamental beliefs of christians hence of christian cults that sex is an undesirable useless aspect of a faithful spiritual man, and the complex rules system built upon. The recent problems in the exjw community shows that a lot of them are still trapped in a kind of religious system where people make sins, have to implore the pardon, perhaps need to be shamed or shunned, and go on judging others by a christian moral grid.
Thank you for a fascinating interview. There is one thing I would like some clarification on. The rules are in the JW world that divorce is only allowable if one or both of the parties concerned committed adultery. From the interview there is no indication that this happened all Patrick did was view pornography and was accused falsely of stalking witness sisters. So how come your wife is still seemingly in “good standing” in her congregation with no organisation elders saying to her “you can’t divorce Patrick because neither he nor you have committed adultery”. Just is not asking in a critical manner just out of curiosity.
She had used a couple loopholes in order to get out of the marriage. For one, she technically didn’t “divorce” me but rather filed for “legal separation.” She was able to do this because she had built up a case against me claiming that I was emotionally abusive to her after she would provoke me to lose my temper on occasion. I was never physical towards her but she still claimed that she feared for her safety and that I “might eventually” become physically abusive. She knew how to work the system and play the victim. Meanwhile, I was never able to refute the claims that were made against me so this video was very cathartic and glad it has helped so many.
Those elders were assholes during your committee, they wanted to derail you, and sabotage your marriage! And if your wife truly loved you, she would have believed you. Circumstances such as these are why I resigned, and stepped away from being an elder, I literally seen elders deliberately trying to derail other elders. I had elders on the body I served also deliberately tried to derail me, for the first time I realized the hypocrisy and lies the elders were capable of being a part of. You did the best thing by leaving! You’re life will be much better!
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE BOOK THE UNSEEN REALM BY DR MICHAEL HEISER. He’s an ancient Near East biblical scholar and Semitic languages expert. This book is 100% peer reviewed material. Heiser typically mentions JW theology in his lectures because he’s well aware of the messed up ideas and doctrines WT produces that are so wrong and completely inaccurate. This book destroys WT theology and that isn’t even its objective.
I've heard this from someone else on a RUclips video and I thought they were mistaken, but this fellow here seems to have reiterated it. They seem to be saying that the JW elders have no problem with brothers watching porn as long as it is heterosexual porn. I cannot believe this, but like I said this is the second time I've heard it. Is this true?
Heterosexual pornography can still get you disfellowshipped, but the Shepherd the Flock of God book has a section where there are “abhorrent” forms of pornography which, if you viewed, increase the chances of you getting DFed
Lifesaving pornography. I was a regular pioneer, reading the Bible over and over, and Joshua 10: 13 was it for me (If celestial bodies stop their course, no-one will survive. The fact that we exist is a proof that it did not happen). It was kind of strange, I lost my faith in the Bible long before I become an "apostate". I could not go out preaching to people what I could not believe. There were other things as well, such as handling a case of pedophilia. A pedo became a MS and his victim killed himself. I could not stay silent. 25 years out and I wonder how can anyone take Bible as a literal truth.
As a disfellowshipped JW myself, it is ironic that the things that you once feared the most (disfellowshipping, divorce) and cause some of the greatest pain one can ever feel; ultimately are what can lead you to the greatest emotional liberation and relief one can ever experience.
So true😃❤
Isn’t that the truth?? So ironic. So true
It's true.
That is so very true. Getting out of a cult is liberating. Out of a bad marriage is a close second. I made up my mind that I would never to do either again.
I should’ve took the hint the second time I got dissed 😅😂
Thank you so much Patrick for this video. Mama loves you so much honey. I’m your mama and had to leave you to get away from all the abuse I endured while married to your dad I’m so proud of who you have become. ❤️
I’m so sorry that happened to you. There’s a lot of that inside the cult.
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This breaks my heart. I fully understand you, as one of Disfellowship in 2006 for doing what I had to do to divorce a manipulative controlling JW Husband. It’s hard to see all the fake “brotherly love” when your still blindly devoted to the organization.
I'm pretty sure that he knows the pain you have gone through, and I bet that he loves you too Mamás
So sorry you had so little time with your son. He’s a well-spoken, good hearted, lovely young man. I hope you two have time to heal your relationship.❤️
If you are a Jehovah’s Witness watching this, let’s this be a lesson to you, NEVER CONFESS TO THE ELDERS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
True, thats.were.I went wrong, psalm )64, jah, watches.everything,
@@chrisdurant4627 me too
@@chrisdurant4627 "Jah watches everything" is just the fearmongering way of saying the sad reality: everyone around you is a snitcher. Don't trust no religious if you need freedom.
Why?
I agree, I confess my sins to God alone! Not men. Do they believe they are like priests? JW"s don't even believe Jesus is our mediator.
Thank you for your story.One of my biggest regret in my life is me confess my sins to these men call JW elders. If you knew what I had to deal with in the congregation (Unknowingly behinds the Scene) The slander and Pure Hatred from men that I thought was loving Brothers was one of the biggest shock of my Jehovah witness life. I urge all that read this comment DO NOT I repeat DO NOT confess your transgressions to them they do more harm than Good.
Never allow yourself to be judged by imperfection men
Blackman power, read.psalm 64, and.140, brilliant, satan can use the.elders, yes,.didnt jesus.say to peter,, get behind me.satan,,.you think the thougts of.men, so yes.he.can use any one.of.us,,,
Yes, I agree. Going to the elders was one of the most stressful times in my life 'confessing my sins', answering to them ,them watching, judging and being marked was so depressing. I tell everyone that asks me don't get involved with this mess.
I second that motion!
So true.
I enjoyed this video. Thank you. I was raised JW. My husband and I were JW together for 10 years and then we left the organization after reading Ray Frank book. We have done a lot of exploration and now we just read the Bible together and pray every morning and that is all we need. Jesus is our Lord and Savior- no men telling us what to do. God bless you!
Thank you so much for letting me tell my story Justin, I look forward to doing more videos with you in the future!
Thanks for sharing it! Your story will help so many people.
Absolutely brilliant patrick thank you, your life is just starting now, good luck for the future 👍 isn't it wonderful to be FREE.
Patrick, I was so impressed by your courage and boldness in telling your story. Your story proves once again how very narrow minded and non understanding this organization is. It's not a so called loving organization as it proclaims to be. Nothing even close. Causing division and the break up of families is something directly against the family arrangement that God instituted in the first place. The GB teaches their elder body to be callus and cruel to everyone that misses the mark of perfection. Individuals are treated like trash and thrown out like they never knew you. There's no help, no encouragement, no rehabilitation, nothing. Its nothing but shame, guilt and judgment. Its interesting how this GB talks about FORGIVENESS, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. Its very disgusting and despicable. The hypocrisy is so ridiculous that it sinister. You have definitely done the right thing by not going back to a very abusive, high controlling, narcissistic culture. I am glad that you have a relationship with your mother and you can now live your best life, fulfilling your dreams and aspirations. You will find another mate. You are a very attractive young man with a good head on your shoulders. The best way to prove this CULT wrong, is to become the biggest success in your life. This CULT is an EXTREMIST GROUP and more and more people are leaving and waking up. The more you tell your story the more you help someone else from becoming a victim or helping them get out of this sick and wicked cult. That's the REAL LIFE SAVING WORK. I wish you all the success in the world and happiness. You are a HERO!!!!!. Thanks So Much. 😊
Great interview - really hope you're doing ok. Hi from England!
Hey Patrick, are you part of the PIMO/Ex elder's discord? Email me if you'd like to join, I've found a lot of support there.
Lloyd Evans was my 1st video too & I felt exactly like you about Lloyd! Thank you for your honest open video. How brave of you🙌🏼
This is a great interview. I love how the questions were in text. Too often good interviews are ruined by the interviewers interjection into the story. Patrick has such a compelling story too. Glad he was able to tell it as it is.
Yes!! I’m glad we did it in a way that allowed Patrick tell his story freely.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 or you could listen to his story, and find some compassion. If you have any left.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Why is Mat. 28:19 Father and Son in capital letters and Holy Spirit in small letters?
Here we go teaching a corrupted Scripture of the Jehovah idolatry. The Governing Body invented who knows how in 1919 the channel to Idolatry, lying and destruction. The 8 puppets in Warwick put into practice to the letter Proverbs 6:16-19. And you think they still have jehovah's favour?
@@vusimngomezulu2500 if you base your entire life on one book, written 2000+ years ago, you are close minded. We as a society have come a long way since then. Learned that the Bible has many many errors and contradictions. We have learned to trust science and developed a much better form of morality. It seems you aren't there yet. Do more actual research. Look up some of those doctrines the Bible teaches. Stop spouting nonsense.
@@vusimngomezulu2500, Do you know how to read the Bible? Those verses you quote are exactly what JW do..... " say Lod, Lod.. or Jehovah.. Jehovah, they are false prophets ...........
These very own verses you quote completely condemn JW in their own face.
Just read the Bible properly as it is written!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great interview, thanks Patrick. It’s amazing how much power over your life this org has. We all have such similar stories and experiences that we can relate to. The judicial committee is such an evil tool used by untrained men to railroad people, a lot of times they already have decided if they want to punish you. It’s amazing how they can cover up child molestation, yet cause irreversible damage to so many young people that are just going through normal sexual discovery. Stay strong, you’re free.
Lloyd Evans is "the truth" about "the truth." I fumbled up on him after watching one of your videos. Dude, too long in between videos, but worth the wait. Truly enjoyed his story. Truly enjoying your videos, Justin, looking forward to seeing more, 😊
He reveals some useful things. However, we can't make the mistake of being fully influenced by any one person. Be careful of anyone who does this full time, because when a "production" takes priority, sometimes an agenda becomes too important
I think Lloyd is one of the "full time" activists that we need right now. If we don't have people taking it that seriously, exposing the rhetoric of the JWs, then what is going to change? I see these activists as watchdogs, a type of role that many people do in government, business, etc. to ensure that powerful groups and individuals are not allowed to abuse others without comment or awareness outside of the situation. We need activists like Llyod and many others to take on this cult, to make a record of the secrets and lies of the JW leaders.
Especially if they are making money from it as well. I like Berenice Pickets he uses the Bible a lot as well.
Glad you made this video! As a Exjw elder I’m so glad this man woke up! It’s the hardest time of life but the best thing that could happen.
Thank you for your wonderful way of doing Your activism! Very enjoyable. 👊😊🙏
Thx for "spreading the word," exposing "the truth," and helping to "set people free" for REAL!!!
Yessss Expose Expose Expose Expose Expose Expose Expose Expose Expose this Satanic dishonest distractive organisation cult is Ruining Lives and families and damage young children's minds
Justin its GREAT SEEING YOU AGAIN!!!!! I truly love everything you are doing 👏..
Thank you!! Sooooo much more on the way! I’m still just getting started 😂
Hey Mr. Lee! There’s an email Dropbox at the very end of each video (I might move it towards the beginning going forward). You can get in touch there. I don’t post the email directly in the comments to avoid attracting more spam than usual. Thank you.
Thank you Patrick for speaking about that part of your life, your very brave may God bless you for rest of your life 👏👏👏👏🙏
No other words.. Just excellent!
Seems like his former spouse signed up for the title of Mrs Superman, not Mrs. Clark Kent
So let me get this straight.
Exemplary Elder
Lost his father
Got married
Decided to be brutally honest with wife and GB about his vices,
And they disfellowshipped you… how loving of them to knock you down when you’re already in so much pain…
Aren’t you glad to be free of this so called loving religion?
Great interview Patrick I’m really proud of you.❤️
Thank you Gail. For as painful as this whole ordeal was, it ended up being a blessing in disguise. Grateful to be where I’m at today.
Iron rod sheperding of Christ ..do they have the right to do this ?
Is that after Armageddon or before ?😊
Who gives them that authority ?
What is it supposed to accomplish ?
Is there a bigger picture
Thanks Patrick, appreciate hearing your story. (:
Great interview, ex elder, ex sub circuit overseer, ex Gilead missionary class of 97 in 1994, spend 3 years in Honduras as a missionary. Out since 2005.
Geeze Bob! I would love to hear your story on what opened your eyes. I am sure it would be interesting.
@@jimbobaggans1564 sure I could do that for you
Tough yards brother. But now you know true freedom. How does a guy poor his heart out and someone gives it a thumbs down? There are some strange people in the world.
A future ex JW on his or her way out lol
Strange and vicious and sadistic . .
Great interview - really enjoyed hearing Patrick's story - I can relate to a lot of what he has to say, especially the part about being left with no-one. Hope he's doing ok.
Justin thanks for another great interview😊
Nobody does "Phony" like the Jehovah's Witnesses...
And Mormons and Jesuit Freemasons, but they are all interconnected cults that claim to be Christianm
Of course, but in many called "sound doctrine churches" happen similar things, not for the teaching but for their missbehaving
Wow thank you. I found the truth about the truth nine months into my disfellowshipping, I just told the elders what they wanted to hear and after one year I was reinstated.
One of the elders wanted to study gods love book with me after my reinstatement.
I told him I would prefer to study the shepherd the flock of god book specifically the section that has to do with the way I was treated in my judicial hearing. Obviously he told me “that is not a study book where did you get that”. I told him that my contributions helped not only the writing printing and distribution of this book I will read this book whether you study it with me or not. All of the elders blocked my number.
Talk about a hard fade LOL. I’m sure you have a much happier life now. The problem I had with dating a sister, I felt like I could never be myself.
You’re really brave for coming forward, That’s what I did I came forward on my own.
Glad you’re back and really enjoyed Patrick’s story . Just so sad that he was trying to be honest and be repenting that he was thrown under the bus ! In hindsight it was the best thing that happened to him because it allowed him to wake up ! Looking forward to more from the both of you !
Well done patrick very brave and honest 👏
Thanks Patrick.
This was a great interview. Very emotional and heartfelt.
I've been watching ex jw videos for years Justin your the very best I love your style.
Really great interview. Thanks for sharing your story.
Thank you so much for this interview!!! The experience and the recommendation that he gives at the end really helped me understand the struggles that sometimes arise in me. I’ve been in the religion for 35 years and woke up 3 years ago and there are moments that my core is shaken. And it’s not that I want to go back or anything (after not even zooming for months now) but what worries me is my family inside because of my fault!
And I’m looking for ways of how I persuade them in, how to reverse it!
Thank you again to you and To Patrick!
Be safe!
Excellent interview and advice for anyone being shunned or disfellowshipped. It's only once you wake up from this high control group, that you realise it's not built on love, but on fear, guilt and shame. No wonder there's such a high level of depression and mental health issues amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, because they are not living a true authentic life.
Thank you Patrick for your heartfelt story, you are so much happier now!
Patrick is a great speaker! I really enjoyed this. I hope he can start his own channel! He has a lot to offer.
Excellent video! Thank you for your story Patrick and telling it so well!
Yes there is life after leaving this organization. The sky really is the limit; the freedom, the peace for starters.
Amazing young man honest and strong what you did took strength somehow I think you were called out, Thank you for your store I admire your honesty.
❤❤❤❤❤
Nice addition to the growing group of former members.
I haven’t got personal ties to JW, just pure curiosity as I follow no religion and haven’t ever. Great story, Onwards and Upwards for you. You are Free never forget it👍
👍 Raised by my Mom around Elders my whole life ... Grandpa was Elder Mom was a single mother ..... Now is married to a Elder uncles were elders ... I was disfellowshiped came back and wrote a disassociate letter in 2013 - 14 after 27 years in it .....
Pioneered at 15, ministerial servant at 20 (first year of the program), elder at 22 years old, and regular pioneered till 1975. I can relate to everything you are saying, even bringing back some lost memories. Thanks
Thank you for sharing Patrick's encouraging story. It means a lot. I am so happy he was able to reconnect with his Mother.
Thank you for sharing your story and for your activism exposing this cult.
i listened intently to your entire story. I have to be honest- it was not easy to contain my anger and contempt for Watchtower as i listened to how it took a young man reaching out for help and completely annihilated him in the name of God.
There is no family that is not adversely effected by this cult. As for individual dubs, the only way they can remain in Watchtower is by allowing it to completely subsume their humanity.
You might have noticed that it once you liberated yourself from Watchtower, you regained your humanity pretty quickly. Welcome back to reality. :-)))
i’m sorry about your marriage.
Very Truthful and Heart Warming Video to Bare it all (DDD)... As a Rank and File (JW's) You'd think it's the right thing to do (confess) that's what Jehovah would want you to do...but the Outcome (Disfellowship) you'd Wonder...What happened to Merciful, Kindness, Empathy even Love none of those displayed in a Judicial Commitee instead the Opposite (Judgemental)... Where was Jehovah when you needed him !?!... thats the "IRONY" WT ORG (Cult) and the GB's (8 Dude's in NY) is not the Truth its a Man-made Organisation that Breaks up Families (Shunning) ... I've learnt looking back...🤔
You've got the answer and question there.the qualities you expressed a desire to see allied to justice..ARE NOT THERE.
WHY ?
IRON ROD.
REV 19:15
There's nothing kind or soft..forgiving or yielding in IRON.is there..
Unravel that scripture..
You ll detect what's going on is that style of shepherding is in place NOW.
Verse 17,18..?
Now..as far as l can see..
So many negative consequences* follow don't they..Read rev 11:5 & 6..
Plagues *..that word covers it.
Baptised at 30..Jesus was mature
Not way before..*
A whole world of trouble often ensues ..hormones etc..
ALMIGHTY GOD AUTHORISES..the two witnesses to do it..
They likely fit the profile of the Man of lawlessness..
Jesus did too..from a perspective
He was reckoned with the lawless ones .
What Russian president did after giving an award ..prophet ezek alluded to accumulated properties..and hooks..the other hooks may be shunned ones.defenceless victims..for whom he stepped in to defend..in unprotected settlements
Ezek 38 :4
Ezek 38:22 may well be in play..Time will tell.
If God joins in as he did with Moses..we will know.
Stand still &
See Jahs salvation !!
Amazing how when under any questioning or scrutiny “ The Truth” comes tumbling down like a house of cards. You would think “ The Truth” would be alot stronger than that.
Just found your channel. Thanks for the excellent interview! Looking forward to watching more videos and to your future collaborations with Patrick.
What a sad story, my heart goes out to you. Sorry for the loss of your father. So first you lose your father, got DF, wife leaves and file for separation . Maybe she wasn’t there for the long haul, but whatever. I’m glad you found a counselor. I hope you’re finding your freedom liberating.. Glad you have solid unconditional relationship with your mom.❤️
Good interview
Thank you Patrick for sharing your story. It is hard to put yourself out there. Thank you Hunter for your channel. I enjoy your approach - very matter of fact but relaxing. Keep up the good work.
***Please Read ***
Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz
Speak to me who went deep into seeking the truth and was visited by an Angel who changed me and took me into heaven.. i know more than anyone you will ever meet. Unless like me Jesus appears in your home and helps you do miracles.
I so appreciate both of you! Excellent advice and great work on the video.
I know what It feels out of the sudden my dad died too at 69 completely unexpected even though he also neglected his health and was sick but not to the point of passing. Your world just gets confusing by the minute. I was as well 29. Weird coincidences but I woke up at 24 after being a MS and seeing what was the real truth how elders are. They are not what the regular witness believe they are.
Great video ex jwdiary.
I like your low key approach. 🙂
THANK U PATRICK MUCHLY, VERY BRAVE TO BE SO HONEST AND BARE ALL, THAT CAN"T OF BEEN EASY AND YOUR WIFE WASN"T SUPPORTIVE, LIKE SHE HAS NEVER SINNED, GET A LIFE, WELL I SUPPOSE SHE FEELS SHE HAS ONE, WELL GOOD LUCK TO HER WITH THAT ONE !!!!! ALL THE VERY BEST, PAT, U CAN TELL U R A LOVELY BOY, HEAD AND CHIN UP THEY HAVE LOST ANOTHER GOOD ONE AND JAH SEE"S IT ALL JC FROM NEW ZEALAND
What a bunch of creeps the elders were. After everything you have done for the congregation. Its unbelievable that they treated you like this. Welcome to Freedom my brother.
Thank you, & bravo! Well done, meaningful!!
PIMO in MD
Awesome interview!!!
1:00:20 I think it was the answer to your prayer imo. 1:12:26 I really have trouble watching any of those videos but I completely get what you're saying.
Well done young man. I was D/fd at age 71 for daring to state I did not like the 8 goons of the GB. To question what do we have to offer anymore, 1914 Elastic band had snapped ,denial about 1975. Best day of my life.
He is so correct
I really appreciate you talking about the reality of being an elder one of my 1st elder meetings I had been told each elder was equal not true I tried to contribute to the meeting could tell they weren't taking me seriously so afterwards I shared my thoughts privately with one of the elders so I asked why he answered bluntly " they don't respect you "
Nice one watching from Madrid. Thanks so much for sharing
Wow. Your story is good , I was asking myself questions also after leaving and I prayed to god asking questions and Lloyd evans popped up on my RUclips channel.
Justin you should put captions in Spanish.
I think you would reach a lot more people. ⚘️
Thank you for everything you do on this channel
Thank you! That is a great idea! I’ll do some research on how to do that in a clean way. Might be better to just have the videos dubbed in Spanish.
@@exjwdiaries for sure
Great 👍 job , well done , the ‘ real ‘ God …answerd your prayer 🙏👍😀
Take care 👏👍
I love 💕 your story I wish you the best👍💕
the sense of freedom is intense
Great video
Excellent interview
My take away from this in not 'Don't confess to an Elder' but rather if admitting your Thought Crime can get you shunned by your community, you should leave that community.
Patrick you sound so happy as slave for the org
When all that happens you feel like this is unique and its never happened to anyone before. You get a wake-up call that this happens everyday, everywhere and to every type of person. Your storey is nearly mirror image of mine and many others, especially appointed men.
I always watch these videos from Uganda.
Great interview!!!
When I was a teenager back in the 50's, there was a JW party for teens every few months where every JW kid in the city could go. There were about 50 of us in the city. It was a wonderful break.
Wow! I thought this was a great personal account!
Thank u🥰
This is a crazy one. Me and the interviewee are the same age ish. Same profession. And our fathers are same age.
I agree: I ran to some people who claimed to have all the knowledge or truth. It was a complete disaster and embarassment.
More, more, more. You must do More! Every hour on the hour for and hour. Remember, Their could be an Asteroid somewhere out there with your name on it.
This is an excellent video!
🎊🎉🙏celebrate 🎄🎉🎊🎉your freedom🎊🎉
Welcome 🙏 to Freedom
I'm not sure how I missed this, but I relate so much. Would love to talk sometime
🤗🤗
This was great! Does Partrick have a channel?
Thx for interview
Hey did you know Rodger Stewart ??
He’s an amazing elder in the Tacoma area 👌🏻👌🏻 he has an electrical company
I’m thinking about trying to wake him up ⬆️✅🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thx for interview guys
Yes I do know him.
@@pviau90 Hello Patrick. 67 yo ex elder, and a successful fader. It’s 3:00 am here. Your honesty and real “truth” have touched, affirmed and fortified me. For me, Jesus was the solution. People such as you help so much. May God forever watch over and care for you. So happy to hear about your mom.
Confessing my ass..... I even broke up with my girlfriend because she forced me to sleep out with her and later on told me that we should get back to Jehovah, I was like 'You crazy,' remember this was your idea. lol, I have been fading for 5 years now, I still get messages from elders I just ignore them. Dude its a cult.
Shepparding the flock book??? Is that the Bible or a different book
That’s the Elders manual. Most JWs don’t even know it exist…
They were SHOCKED that he was viewing porn cause they were viewing it also!! 😂🤣
I was thinking the same. What hypocrites!
🤣
They are all trapped in the system! Assume that some elders in his judicial committee have watched porn or masturbate ( which is highly probable) what do you expect from them? breaking in tears and tell him “oh patrick, we relate to your sin, we did it also”?? or trying to minimise it, and raise the suspicion of the other elders? there is no way out for any of them. The problem is not their hypocrisy, and Patrick explained it very well, because he also accepted to be an elder even with his secret « sin », believing « in J s blessing ». The problem is the fundamental beliefs of christians hence of christian cults that sex is an undesirable useless aspect of a faithful spiritual man, and the complex rules system built upon. The recent problems in the exjw community shows that a lot of them are still trapped in a kind of religious system where people make sins, have to implore the pardon, perhaps need to be shamed or shunned, and go on judging others by a christian moral grid.
Brilliant lads
So sad when I hear of the young ones I knew getting baptized into the prison with invisible walls.
Wow just like a firing squad judgement. 😢
Is Gog facing a sword against him for real ?
Ezek 38:20-22
Providence lead this man out of this evil cult
Thank you for a fascinating interview. There is one thing I would like some clarification on. The rules are in the JW world that divorce is only allowable if one or both of the parties concerned committed adultery. From the interview there is no indication that this happened all Patrick did was view pornography and was accused falsely of stalking witness sisters. So how come your wife is still seemingly in “good standing” in her congregation with no organisation elders saying to her “you can’t divorce Patrick because neither he nor you have committed adultery”. Just is not asking in a critical manner just out of curiosity.
She had used a couple loopholes in order to get out of the marriage. For one, she technically didn’t “divorce” me but rather filed for “legal separation.” She was able to do this because she had built up a case against me claiming that I was emotionally abusive to her after she would provoke me to lose my temper on occasion. I was never physical towards her but she still claimed that she feared for her safety and that I “might eventually” become physically abusive. She knew how to work the system and play the victim. Meanwhile, I was never able to refute the claims that were made against me so this video was very cathartic and glad it has helped so many.
I assume if no adultery, then she got her divorce on other grounds , but can't remarry, otherwise she would be disfellowshipped.
Portland Oregon representing lol 🙋🏻♀️
Those elders were assholes during your committee, they wanted to derail you, and sabotage your marriage! And if your wife truly loved you, she would have believed you. Circumstances such as these are why I resigned, and stepped away from being an elder, I literally seen elders deliberately trying to derail other elders. I had elders on the body I served also deliberately tried to derail me, for the first time I realized the hypocrisy and lies the elders were capable of being a part of. You did the best thing by leaving! You’re life will be much better!
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE BOOK THE UNSEEN REALM BY DR MICHAEL HEISER.
He’s an ancient Near East biblical scholar and Semitic languages expert. This book is 100% peer reviewed material. Heiser typically mentions JW theology in his lectures because he’s well aware of the messed up ideas and doctrines WT produces that are so wrong and completely inaccurate. This book destroys WT theology and that isn’t even its objective.
I've heard this from someone else on a RUclips video and I thought they were mistaken, but this fellow here seems to have reiterated it. They seem to be saying that the JW elders have no problem with brothers watching porn as long as it is heterosexual porn. I cannot believe this, but like I said this is the second time I've heard it. Is this true?
To be honest never heard about that but keep hearing this interview after interview.
Heterosexual pornography can still get you disfellowshipped, but the Shepherd the Flock of God book has a section where there are “abhorrent” forms of pornography which, if you viewed, increase the chances of you getting DFed
My ex was a porn addict. Was only restricted from priveleges.
Lifesaving pornography. I was a regular pioneer, reading the Bible over and over, and Joshua 10: 13 was it for me (If celestial bodies stop their course, no-one will survive. The fact that we exist is a proof that it did not happen). It was kind of strange, I lost my faith in the Bible long before I become an "apostate". I could not go out preaching to people what I could not believe. There were other things as well, such as handling a case of pedophilia. A pedo became a MS and his victim killed himself. I could not stay silent. 25 years out and I wonder how can anyone take Bible as a literal truth.