That is a pretty good catch. My guess is it’s because that’s a bright ass light when being shot so makes for a really cool looking reflection off his eyes
@@LouisK364 it’s 100% reflection and was asked and answered by producers. It’s dark and that’s the brightest thing in his direction where he’s looking lol. The old rune that was given to him doesn’t have any magic in it anymore. So really it’s just a bracelet with a fancy looking rune on it. Hope that cleared it up :)
@@LouisK364 think of it this way. Is that we’re the case he wouldn’t need to make hextech. Nothing in his lore states that he is a mage and if he was in pretty sure he would’ve left piltover by now.
I genuinely love how they did jayces character, he feels truly like a man of progress who has become blind the cost of that progress yet ever so slowly, he awakens to the true cost and the warnings of his predecessor . I also appreciate how hes not some muted, castrated "nerd" trope either. He is willing to get his hands "dirty" but also sees the harm in doing it that way too, hes a character who has learned that both of the extremes are not suitable for the safety of the people. Rampant violence leads to innocent lives being lost at a moments whim, and unfettered progress allows for rampant corruption to seep into the very core of the lives exploited under progress' ever turning wheel.
I love the word you used. "blind". In this scene, we can see jayce's eyes literally light up blue when he fires his hammer. He has gone blind with power & blood lust. Figuratively & literally.
In an animation program you animate a set of motions, for a character over lets say 30 seconds. Then you greenscreen the background out and have those motions played in fast forward over about 10 seconds but dropped into a scene of people moving at the usual 30 second rate, and put glowing trails on their movements (like passing cars at night on the highway) and that should do most of it. I'm sure they have more elegant tricks than that to doing it but its the basis of it.
Well, in a word, smears. If you want the longer version, because Arcane is animated with 3D models and 2D textures, this presented both new challenges and new opportunities for the animators. Arcane had a budget of about 100 million dollars for six hours of animation. For comparison, most Pixar movies are looking at about 200 million + for an 1.5 - 2 hours. So relatively speaking, not a lot of money. So they had to get clever. A very old technique that was kind of lost with the rise of 3D animation was smears, wildly exaggerated shapes or even just colored lines to sell the idea of motion. A lot of old-timey animation runs at 12 frames per second, which is the absolute minimum for where our eyes perceive something as running smooth. If you want an example of something that goes under this, watch The Dragon Prince. Arcane runs at 24 fps, so it will appear smoother to our eyes, which run at about 60 fps equivalent. Now, because Arcane employs smears that run as little as a single frame - that's their whole purpose - it's very difficult to spot it without going frame-by-frame, but you do process it subconsciously, and it really sells the idea of motion to your eyes.
Honestly, always my favorite thing about this scene, and what makes the shock moment hit even more. If you look closely and pay attention...JAYCE ALREADY WON THE FIGHT LONG BEFORE THE KID DIED! You can see in the motions and faces of the chem tech soldiers, they were running away terrified in full retreat. But in the heat of a life and death scenario, Jayce was blind.
Look at his eyes when he shoots with the weapon. For a very brief moment you can see them light up from the blasts, giving it a realistic reaction to what his weapon does but also showing how blind he is during his rampage.
It reminds me of Guts killing the prince. They want you to know he didn't mean to, but they want even further that you know it was entirely unnecessary.
I’ve watched the show like 3 times I never noticed that. I thought the last chemtank guy was running AT Jayce, but you can see the shots coming from behind him just before the kid gets blasted. Now I noticed all the chemtank guys were also running away from him since the shield moment.
Vi's combo at 1:40 really shows that they probably hired a boxer to choreograph this sht. That slip-duck left to the body to the head is a thing of beauty.
Every time Vi gets a fight scene, it's just an absolute joy to watch. Even Jayce was fun to watch with that hammer until he switched into ranged mode. Shooting energy projectiles just can't compare to the fluidity and precision of well-animated melee combat.
For some reason, I still find the fight scenes from season 1 to be smoother and much more satisfying to watch. Those melee combo from Vi and Jayce are mesmerizing
yes, a bit too much "shaky camera" and quick scene switches. Maybe for the authors animating it, it looks good, but the human eye cannot comprehend whats even happening in most of the fights of season 2. They were happening way too quick.
this may be one of the single best clips of animation ever put on a screen. without any context, this scene would still tell a story without so much as a word spoken. absolutely insane
Love how this exemplifies why Vi and Jayce are *champions*. The regular people got murked without so much as scratching the chemtanks, but Vi and Jayce? They shred through the squad like they're taking out trash.
I also like how it really supports Jayce's "your people wouldn't stand a chance" line. Jayce hasn't fought in a life of death battle at all up until this point, and yet he and a street rat using a tool that wasn't even meant for combat that she only started using an hour ago managed to rip apart 15-20 of Zaun's strongest figthers as if they were made of gingerbread. And up until recently Jayce would've seen that as a good thing. But after empathizing with Zaun and comprehending the cost of war is became a nightmare to him.
@@jscs9960 what are you even talking about? The story is great so far. The fights are hardly the only thing worth watching. Besides, Jinx vs Warwick was pretty cool.
@ If you don’t like it, why bother watching then? If you’re watching just for fights, watch something like Dragon Ball or whatever. As for the story, that is your opinion. I personally think it’s great.
I love this fight for so many reasons, one of them being Jayce. You can tell he's not 100% proficiant in his style yet, so he isn't flowing as well as Vi, but he gets the job done. Not only that, when he fires his shock blasts, you can tell that he's losing himself. His teeth grit and he looks almost...menacing, like he's trying to imitate Vi's behavior; not giving a shit and just going. But in the process a child is killed and his expression softens. IDK, maybe I'm just simping for Jayce.
I love the difference in how their individual fights go as well. Vi is brawling like she always has, with the mining gauntlets just giving her hits the strength needed to deal with the chemtanks. On the other hand you've got Jayce, who isn't a fighter, but with his personal hextech weapon he can still overcome them through raw power. You can even see it in the xray frames, while Vi is breaking ribs after over-pressuring the gauntlets, Jayce's first hammer swing damn near demolished the guys skeleton.
Vi is a natural with tons of experience. The gauntlets just elevate what is already there. That is why, even though they aren't weapons, Vi can wield them to this effect. Jayce's hammer is a killing weapon, ingeniously designed to allow for killing and versatile self-defense. Jayce himself isn't a good fighter, but his hammer compensates for what he lacks. Genius storytelling in the choreo, especially because we later see that Vi's gauntlets also have straight-up magic features like Jayce's hammer, that Vi didn't find out about until then. Also it's terrifying how it shows the force that these items wield, without even backfiring on the wielder. Neither of them is prepared to even take the backlash from the force their weapons apply, but the weapons compensate and buffer for them. Really shows just how great Hextech is, and how terrifying it could be when fully weaponized
@@runtergerutscht4401 Jayce is strong, too. A lot of his 'science' comes from metallurgy and very physically demanding engineering, so he's got that blacksmith strength (And arms) I'd say he's probably the strongest, under Vander, when it comes to raw physical strength in the show. Doesn't have even a bit of the skill Vii has, but I bet you he'd beat her in an arm wrestle for sure, dude has been eating well his whole life + his family business revolved around making hammers fit for the nuances of blacksmithing. My guy is *built* for hitting hard. Give him some credit, it's not all the hammer. It's him who is wielding that hammer. It's the force of his body swinging that momentum. Hammer is just a tool. Jayce is the killer behind it. Just ask that little dude he iced.
@@ciruk2774 Jayce has muscles, but he's not a fighter. He has the strength to work with heavy tools, but not the experience and speed that Vi has when it comes to attacking or blocking. Not to mention that the hextech items all use hextech to make themselves lighter to wield and Jayce's hammer can actually gain speed in a swing all on its own. It's mostly the hammer, and Jayce is the one swinging it, but the weapon is more of a killer than he is. Example: when he hit that one chemtank and vaporized his ribcage. He connected the hit, but his hammer delivered additional force AND dampened the equal opposite force it created while doing so, so that Jayce doesn't risk suddenly losing control of the hammer. And in general, the speed at which Jayce swings the hammer just far surpasses what he should be capable of with a somewhat solid metal hammer of that size. The hammer is assisting his movements all the time, just like Vi's gloves are. And when he started gunning, I think we can both agree that Jayce just pulled the trigger and loosely aimed. So I think that Jayce's muscles were less important than the hammer's overall quality.
The fact that these chemtank suits probably represent the pinnacle of Zaun's combat technology (human bodies continuously flooded with Shimmer and augmented with cybernetic tech/weaponry), yet they still got dunked on by Jayce and Vi really shows how inferior chemtech is to hextech. Jayce had zero combat experience up until that point and Vi was using gauntlets designed for mining and industrial work and not fighting, yet they still massacred the chemtanks with barely a scratch. When Jayce told Silco that Piltover would slaughter Zaun, he sure as hell wasn't bluffing, cuz can you imagine what an army of battle-hardened soldiers armed with hextech weaponry would look like? They'd be damn near unstoppable.
He's the best by giving Zaun independence, he's protecting his & his people humanity and tried change the system. He loves and respects Piltover despite their wrongdoing, he's fast like every time he made mistakes he was always trying to fix it. Sad people hate him just because his life was perfect
@@esenefte816The worst is that His life didn't Even was perfect, he faced a Lot of trials but people can't see ot because are too blind in their hate For Piltover, but he is one of the persons who attemped to do most Good and wanted nothing in return. The council position was a burden he never asked For and Even then he used it to bring independence to Zaun.
The chem tanks were the Pinnacle at the time sure. But at that moment while both were technically new hextech has a lot more money behind it and dev history to build on with piltover engineering. Given time chemtech will catch up and get even more brutal.
@@esenefte816 they hate him because they can't project their insecurities onto him. He's a handsome pioneer successful scientist who gets the girl. The average viewer can't even clean their own room.
You know, it would have been so easy for them to just throw away all of Vi's fighting skills after she put on those Gauntlets. They could have easily just made her do these big, arcing swings like she was some gorilla with big, heavy gauntlets. And that would have probably been so much easier to animate. But no, they went the extra mile and said, "Yes, she still can box like those Gauntlets aren't there." and honestly, it makes the whole fight just a little bit better. Plus, they did establish early on, one of the first things Jayce and Viktor discovered with Hextech was gravity manipulation, and it's clear that there's some of that going on with those Gauntlets. So it's not like the speed of her punches doesn't make sense either.
Those gauntlets are definition of a weapon only being an extension of one's skill. The writers constantly showed us that Vi is an incredibly talented fighter with her bare fists. The gauntlets just give her the raw power she needs to take down even stronger opponents.
My personal headcanon for the gauntlets (In the Arcane universe anyway. I know League has their own explanation), is that they "reduce" weight by moving themselves in whatever direction the wearer exerts force, essentially making them feel light to use but still having the mass of a semi truck for the recipient.
It's shown that, even as a teen, Vi can box proficiently with the Iron Gauntlets, which are basically just really heavy boxing gloves. I don't think the gauntlets are distorting weight with gravity or anything like that, they are mining equipment, I think most normal people would just use them like heavy gloves, but Vi is shown to be incredibly strong, literally throwing people bigger than her like ragdolls, so the gloves just amplifying what she's naturally going to do, box like a seasoned pro. It's been her life and way of survival for years since being in jail.
@@MadamInsanity88 if you watch her fight with sevika, when sevika damages the gauntlet, it’s full weight drops and vi and she can’t hold it anymore and is forced to fight with one hand. so the gauntlet must have some weight modification for the wearer.
Vi immediately going to Jace asking him to go to the undercity to fight with her after she JUST broke things off with Caitlyn is really funny to me - she needed a distraction so badly😆🤣 we see you girl
As a martial artist I absolutely adore the choreography in this series, especially whenever Vi shows her boxing chops. That combo at 1:50 after she breaks the blades shows off how technically skilled she is, overpowering a stronger opponent not with raw strength, but with superior technique and predicting his attack patterns. The machines are powerful and roided out with Shimmer, but not intelligent, and Vi is able to beat them back because she's more experienced
i love the use of League's in-game sfx for this fight. 1:14 Vi ult noise when she runs at the chemtech soldier, and 2:07 when Jayce switches to ranged mode.
You can really tell that Jayce’s hammer was made to be a weapon as opposed to VI’s gauntlets. You can especially tell when Vi shatters the center of one guy’s rib cage with a fully charged punch, while Jayce’s first hit DISINTEGRATES half of that poor guy’s entire skeleton
Came here to post this, so many points in this fight I remembered from 3 years ago vis entrance, Vis punch combo Jayce popping off I just watched s2 and none of the fights are like this
@@TyEditss yep, probably unpopular opinion but for me season 2 felt bad. I do not remember a single fight scene from season 2, but I remember this one. Jayce did not even use his hammer once in season 2, and vi even tough she had the hextech gloves almost every fight felt like she did not even have them on.
@@FantasticKruH I prefer season 2 but this fight is just perfect, maybe the best fight in the show. The last fight in the last episode is also extremely good.
There's a very little detail that I love in this scene. In 1:47 after Vi threw away that guy, it takes her a second to react to the next attack. Very cool that attention to detail
honestly hats off to jayce, he is not a fighter, he has never expressed past in such practice, we only know that he has muscles because he forges, but he went to fight with the cubic balls im the only one who think this?
Love this scene. Such a fun fight and so many little details to see and hear and otherwise experience, but then at the end we're reminded what show we're watching. This isn't a story where fighting only hurts faceless baddies we're given permission not to care about.
She used her in game "Excessive Force" ability equivalent on her last kill. You can see this on the glove, as it charges to the red zone which signifies being overcharged, thus excessive.
Gosh whoever directed these fight scenes man.... they knew wtf they were doing. Even when you know whats about to happen the elements that make this so damn thrilling is the adrenaline rush the scene gives you. From the camera showing of vi gauntlets literally redlining... to the impact frames from jace breaking bones... the loud screeching when vi slides down to help jace too.. the music.. they went off!!
@@alaljarensi6990 It just shows the superiority of Hextech weapons over anything "Zaun" has, He says it to Silco later, that in a war they wouldnt stand a chance. TBH he didnt even performed any good moves whatsoever, just swinging his hammer and powersslamming plebs
Jayce isn't a fighter, but he knows his Hextech weapons better than anyone else, save for maybe Victor. Vi is the opposite. She's not that familiar with Hextech weaponry, but she knows how to fight and move around. Watch it again. You'll notice how Jayce makes full use of the Hextech weaponry system, but he himself isn't used to moving around in a fight while Vi is ducking and weaving, throwing out punches wherever she can, but doesn't use the full extent of capabilities her gloves have, because she's not as familiar with them as Jayce is. They have different strengths and weaknesses, but they compliment each other beautifully.
This Show is so fucking good at making us feel exactly what they're feeling. The music and everything is so Loud and Hyped and everything focuses on what they're doing and what they're feeling. It's Pure Adrenaline. And it starts to get distorted at the end, the scratching and the noise overpowering the Lyrics as Jayce just loses himself. He already won the fight, the enemy is running, but he's still going because of that Adrenaline Rush. And it's only when the collateral damage happens when the music drowns and silences as he realizes "Wait, fuck what just happened, what have I just done ?" This Show is SO FUCKING GOOD.
can't wait for season 2 this show exceeded all expectation and even managed to be its own thing outside of the league community amazing job by everyone that worked on it 💯
Almost no one outside of LoL cares about League of Legends. Arcane was stunningly animated and well crafted. It didn't manage to be it's own thing. It's orders of magnitude better than the thing that spawned it.
@@ralalbatross Reality is riot has planned all of this they have merged all lore so in the next 5 years when the riot mmorpg comes out and there has been 5 more cinematics and 2 more seasons of arcane they get everyone to play the mmorpg and make bank.
Yes! I sold my friends on this show when I said it was an exemplary tv show. Not a good video game show. Good comparable to any piece of media in any other medium, it stands without an caveats.
I remember hearing random people talk about it in my college. I thought there was no way in hell random people are talking about league. Turns out its an amazing tv show
I love how the scene shows the difference between a Hextech Tool and a Hextech Weapon. The gauntlets still do massive damagw, hut only because it's in the hands of an expert. It still takes her a fully charged punch or a full combo to take the goons out. The hammer on the other hand is down right lethal, every swing shatters bones and makes an amateur like Jayce a walking killing machine.
Honestly thats the entire reason i'm here I saw "Turbo Chemtanks in Arcane" scrolling in twitter, and I immedietly searched up "Turbo Chemtanks" I didin't expect them to be so small but hey whatever boosts my Sett up with the item rework
@@jon5579 He was just making a joke dude, observational comedy based on jayce missing his shots on the turbo chemtank and hitting the kid, its not that serious
A general novice in combat and a street brawler with zero experience with hextech absolutely wiped the floor with an entire squad of chemtanks. Jayce wasn't kidding. The war's gonna annihilate Zaun. Granted, some Zaunite champs might come out of the woods in season 2. Am personally excited to see Warwick, but hope to see more.
No, no they wont Not without Piltover Shooting themselves in the foot Theres a reason they're called the under city, theyre what makes piltover Topside.
I keep coming back here years later just to remember how awesome as a real gamer it was watching this for the first time, paying attention to all the details that have been put in this scene, its really like a dream coming true and every time i watch it i get tears in my eyes
Season 2 was glorious, but one thing it lacked was good fight scenes. The fights in season 1, felt way more impactful, well because it was the first time we seen Jayce use his iconic hammer, and Vi use the Hex-tech gloves. in the second season you already have been introduced to those weapons so fights felt like fillers. This is also a reason why 2 seasons is more than enough for Arcane, the longer it goes the less impactful the fight scenes would feel.
To be fair the chemtanks are very fast and very durable and they had the element of surprise. The enforcers had no idea what was coming, and before they could recover they got speed blitz.
I wonder if it was due to them missing the chemtanks, or the chemtanks being too durable, or them hitting the targets and the bullets doing damage but the chemtanks being so full of shimmer that they dont even notice at first. Regardless of their fighting, they do look cool as heck.
Honestly my only issue with this show was that, no way Jayce should be able to keep up with Turbo chem tank in pure melee combat, but the hextech knockback barrier ability like in the game makes sense
@@peanutbutter9345 I mean I agree that there was no way he should have been able to keep up with their speed, especially with that big hextech hammer, but he did fight intelligently as you would expect from a scientist, going for the joints and stuff like using the barrier like you said before.
i love this scene so much, the choreo, the music, how they two behave to each other. Mayabe my favourite scen e in the whole series, beside the ekko/Jinx Fight scene and Viktor run.
1:24 to 1:41 is probably one of my favourite bits in this whole scene, and why I wish we got more of Vi and Jayce fighting together. With Vi, she has vastly more combat experience than Jayce, and so even with the gauntlets she's deadly quick and flows seamlessly with her attacks. With Jayce though, he's a bit heavier and clunkier in his movements, mostly because of his giant ass hammer, but you can sort of see that while he certainly isn't bad at combat, he is still pretty inexperienced. anyway this is my long way of saying i love fight scenes with giant hammers
What I personally found great about this scene is that when Vi and Jayce started fighting I thought "have they just abandoned the themes and plot so they could advertise the game by showing badass needless combat" and then the writers hit you with the consequences when they straight up kill a kid by being reckless and getting carried away Not dissing the game - I just thought for a moment they changed what show they were making
@@chapman2001 I mean... His mum is the crime boss missing the nose, we can't know the 10 year olds motives but I doubt he fully understood what he was doing with that kind of upbringing And these enforcers are hardly doing good police work either - at least they are grown adults
Jayce out here throwing Q's like he's finished his Manamune
and with 200 ability haste
He just started blasting
Q in URF mode
Gotta love Jayce here!! Wicked timing
So we got ourselves a muramana then (ive never played lol i just googled these terms. I just wanna look cool)
Jayce's eyes glow as well with each shot from his hammer.
Didn't notice. Nice catch!
That is a pretty good catch. My guess is it’s because that’s a bright ass light when being shot so makes for a really cool looking reflection off his eyes
@@kushminister5137 no, it's coming form his pupils, so i'm guessing the Runestone must be channelling some of the magic trough him as well
@@LouisK364 it’s 100% reflection and was asked and answered by producers. It’s dark and that’s the brightest thing in his direction where he’s looking lol. The old rune that was given to him doesn’t have any magic in it anymore. So really it’s just a bracelet with a fancy looking rune on it. Hope that cleared it up :)
@@LouisK364 think of it this way. Is that we’re the case he wouldn’t need to make hextech. Nothing in his lore states that he is a mage and if he was in pretty sure he would’ve left piltover by now.
I genuinely love how they did jayces character, he feels truly like a man of progress who has become blind the cost of that progress yet ever so slowly, he awakens to the true cost and the warnings of his predecessor . I also appreciate how hes not some muted, castrated "nerd" trope either. He is willing to get his hands "dirty" but also sees the harm in doing it that way too, hes a character who has learned that both of the extremes are not suitable for the safety of the people. Rampant violence leads to innocent lives being lost at a moments whim, and unfettered progress allows for rampant corruption to seep into the very core of the lives exploited under progress' ever turning wheel.
Same, but Jayce is hated and I don't know why, he's awesome. The same people who hate Jayce love Jinx and Silco, which doesn't make sense.
Kind of like vander
@@kanyerahmingWell, he's a child murderer.
@@kanyerahming Those people are just edgelords. Ignore them.
I love the word you used. "blind". In this scene, we can see jayce's eyes literally light up blue when he fires his hammer. He has gone blind with power & blood lust. Figuratively & literally.
the sound at 1:14 when Vi charges is from her ult! The little details in this series are INSANE
I never even noticed that Lmaoo wow
Which made no sense it should be her Q sound
Also the sound effect at 2:07 when Jayce switches to cannon
@@MiguelAngel-ep9vt And the sound when he triggers his orb; just like his melee W
Animators didn't miss a trick.
Vi is street smart, and Jayce is book smart, but together they are.... Street Book.
never let them work together ever again bro 😭
Together they are EVERYTHING but smart😂
I want to know how they made those tanks look like they're moving so fast. That animation is remarkable.
In an animation program you animate a set of motions, for a character over lets say 30 seconds. Then you greenscreen the background out and have those motions played in fast forward over about 10 seconds but dropped into a scene of people moving at the usual 30 second rate, and put glowing trails on their movements (like passing cars at night on the highway) and that should do most of it. I'm sure they have more elegant tricks than that to doing it but its the basis of it.
so they are called tanks i love there design
@@linuxstreamer8910 turbo chemtanks actually
Well, in a word, smears. If you want the longer version, because Arcane is animated with 3D models and 2D textures, this presented both new challenges and new opportunities for the animators. Arcane had a budget of about 100 million dollars for six hours of animation. For comparison, most Pixar movies are looking at about 200 million + for an 1.5 - 2 hours. So relatively speaking, not a lot of money. So they had to get clever. A very old technique that was kind of lost with the rise of 3D animation was smears, wildly exaggerated shapes or even just colored lines to sell the idea of motion.
A lot of old-timey animation runs at 12 frames per second, which is the absolute minimum for where our eyes perceive something as running smooth. If you want an example of something that goes under this, watch The Dragon Prince. Arcane runs at 24 fps, so it will appear smoother to our eyes, which run at about 60 fps equivalent. Now, because Arcane employs smears that run as little as a single frame - that's their whole purpose - it's very difficult to spot it without going frame-by-frame, but you do process it subconsciously, and it really sells the idea of motion to your eyes.
Just to be clear period butten is one frame forward, comma is one frame back.
Honestly, always my favorite thing about this scene, and what makes the shock moment hit even more. If you look closely and pay attention...JAYCE ALREADY WON THE FIGHT LONG BEFORE THE KID DIED!
You can see in the motions and faces of the chem tech soldiers, they were running away terrified in full retreat. But in the heat of a life and death scenario, Jayce was blind.
Look at his eyes when he shoots with the weapon. For a very brief moment you can see them light up from the blasts, giving it a realistic reaction to what his weapon does but also showing how blind he is during his rampage.
The Kid was in the way💀 any other child would’ve ran away. (Maybe😅)
@@adml1227 …..uh…i think you replied to the wrong guy
It reminds me of Guts killing the prince. They want you to know he didn't mean to, but they want even further that you know it was entirely unnecessary.
I’ve watched the show like 3 times I never noticed that. I thought the last chemtank guy was running AT Jayce, but you can see the shots coming from behind him just before the kid gets blasted. Now I noticed all the chemtank guys were also running away from him since the shield moment.
Vi's combo at 1:40 really shows that they probably hired a boxer to choreograph this sht. That slip-duck left to the body to the head is a thing of beauty.
1:41
Every time Vi gets a fight scene, it's just an absolute joy to watch.
Even Jayce was fun to watch with that hammer until he switched into ranged mode. Shooting energy projectiles just can't compare to the fluidity and precision of well-animated melee combat.
It’s weird seeing him hold his own, man sure can scrap for being just a scientist.
I don't think the kid enjoyed it either.
Ruby :It's also a gun
Have you seen caydes last stand?
@@ouchiegiverjr it was, Vi we expect to win easily but wtf this was seemingly like the first time we get to see him fight.
For some reason, I still find the fight scenes from season 1 to be smoother and much more satisfying to watch. Those melee combo from Vi and Jayce are mesmerizing
yes, a bit too much "shaky camera" and quick scene switches. Maybe for the authors animating it, it looks good, but the human eye cannot comprehend whats even happening in most of the fights of season 2. They were happening way too quick.
Style vs substance. Season 2 went for more cinematic and slow mo shots. Whereas Season 1 has these great extended sequences of choreography.
Plus there's no fights where Vi goes ham like this in S2, she throws a punch or two then gets beat up
@@slvrcobra1337pretty accurate to the game then. Released massively OP and got heavy nerfs the next season.
We got robbed of vi fight scenes in season two 😔 😔 her fights in season one were some of my favourite scenes
1:52 god that combo Vi did is just so satisfying to watch
So smooth 🤩
It’s definitely paying homage to OldBoy’s action side scroll hallway, I love stuff like this
attack speed build
@@maiqtheliar_the DPS must be insane
She went full Mike Tyson there
this may be one of the single best clips of animation ever put on a screen. without any context, this scene would still tell a story without so much as a word spoken. absolutely insane
You seen the Ekko vs. Jinx fight yet tho? Now THAT tells a goddamn story.
@@Sarusta Vi vs Sevika is another one.
Alr it's not that amazing
@@Sarusta I love this fight for the animation but the storytelling in Vi vs Ekko with the flashes to their childhood is simply incredible
Ekko VS Jinx would like to talk.
Love how this exemplifies why Vi and Jayce are *champions*. The regular people got murked without so much as scratching the chemtanks, but Vi and Jayce? They shred through the squad like they're taking out trash.
I also like how it really supports Jayce's "your people wouldn't stand a chance" line. Jayce hasn't fought in a life of death battle at all up until this point, and yet he and a street rat using a tool that wasn't even meant for combat that she only started using an hour ago managed to rip apart 15-20 of Zaun's strongest figthers as if they were made of gingerbread. And up until recently Jayce would've seen that as a good thing. But after empathizing with Zaun and comprehending the cost of war is became a nightmare to him.
@@noahmclaughlin7921 MAN I HATE THAT THERE ISNT A GOOD FIGHT YET BRO. THAT ACT 3 MUST BE BETTER THAN THIS OR I WILL RIOT
@@jscs9960 what are you even talking about? The story is great so far. The fights are hardly the only thing worth watching. Besides, Jinx vs Warwick was pretty cool.
@@12branko12 story in arcane is meh. jinx v warwick aint even that good when u have so many cutscenes looking at the kid instead of the actual fight
@ If you don’t like it, why bother watching then? If you’re watching just for fights, watch something like Dragon Ball or whatever.
As for the story, that is your opinion. I personally think it’s great.
I just noticed Jayce’s nod at 0:57 lol he’s like “yeah, I can work with that.”
I love this fight for so many reasons, one of them being Jayce. You can tell he's not 100% proficiant in his style yet, so he isn't flowing as well as Vi, but he gets the job done. Not only that, when he fires his shock blasts, you can tell that he's losing himself. His teeth grit and he looks almost...menacing, like he's trying to imitate Vi's behavior; not giving a shit and just going. But in the process a child is killed and his expression softens.
IDK, maybe I'm just simping for Jayce.
yeah vi is a street brawler her whole life so she knows how to handle herself
I love the difference in how their individual fights go as well. Vi is brawling like she always has, with the mining gauntlets just giving her hits the strength needed to deal with the chemtanks. On the other hand you've got Jayce, who isn't a fighter, but with his personal hextech weapon he can still overcome them through raw power. You can even see it in the xray frames, while Vi is breaking ribs after over-pressuring the gauntlets, Jayce's first hammer swing damn near demolished the guys skeleton.
Vi is a natural with tons of experience. The gauntlets just elevate what is already there. That is why, even though they aren't weapons, Vi can wield them to this effect.
Jayce's hammer is a killing weapon, ingeniously designed to allow for killing and versatile self-defense. Jayce himself isn't a good fighter, but his hammer compensates for what he lacks. Genius storytelling in the choreo, especially because we later see that Vi's gauntlets also have straight-up magic features like Jayce's hammer, that Vi didn't find out about until then.
Also it's terrifying how it shows the force that these items wield, without even backfiring on the wielder. Neither of them is prepared to even take the backlash from the force their weapons apply, but the weapons compensate and buffer for them. Really shows just how great Hextech is, and how terrifying it could be when fully weaponized
@@runtergerutscht4401 Jayce is strong, too. A lot of his 'science' comes from metallurgy and very physically demanding engineering, so he's got that blacksmith strength (And arms) I'd say he's probably the strongest, under Vander, when it comes to raw physical strength in the show. Doesn't have even a bit of the skill Vii has, but I bet you he'd beat her in an arm wrestle for sure, dude has been eating well his whole life + his family business revolved around making hammers fit for the nuances of blacksmithing. My guy is *built* for hitting hard.
Give him some credit, it's not all the hammer. It's him who is wielding that hammer. It's the force of his body swinging that momentum. Hammer is just a tool. Jayce is the killer behind it.
Just ask that little dude he iced.
@@ciruk2774 Jayce has muscles, but he's not a fighter. He has the strength to work with heavy tools, but not the experience and speed that Vi has when it comes to attacking or blocking.
Not to mention that the hextech items all use hextech to make themselves lighter to wield and Jayce's hammer can actually gain speed in a swing all on its own.
It's mostly the hammer, and Jayce is the one swinging it, but the weapon is more of a killer than he is.
Example: when he hit that one chemtank and vaporized his ribcage.
He connected the hit, but his hammer delivered additional force AND dampened the equal opposite force it created while doing so, so that Jayce doesn't risk suddenly losing control of the hammer.
And in general, the speed at which Jayce swings the hammer just far surpasses what he should be capable of with a somewhat solid metal hammer of that size. The hammer is assisting his movements all the time, just like Vi's gloves are.
And when he started gunning, I think we can both agree that Jayce just pulled the trigger and loosely aimed.
So I think that Jayce's muscles were less important than the hammer's overall quality.
The fact that these chemtank suits probably represent the pinnacle of Zaun's combat technology (human bodies continuously flooded with Shimmer and augmented with cybernetic tech/weaponry), yet they still got dunked on by Jayce and Vi really shows how inferior chemtech is to hextech. Jayce had zero combat experience up until that point and Vi was using gauntlets designed for mining and industrial work and not fighting, yet they still massacred the chemtanks with barely a scratch. When Jayce told Silco that Piltover would slaughter Zaun, he sure as hell wasn't bluffing, cuz can you imagine what an army of battle-hardened soldiers armed with hextech weaponry would look like? They'd be damn near unstoppable.
He's the best by giving Zaun independence, he's protecting his & his people humanity and tried change the system. He loves and respects Piltover despite their wrongdoing, he's fast like every time he made mistakes he was always trying to fix it. Sad people hate him just because his life was perfect
@@esenefte816The worst is that His life didn't Even was perfect, he faced a Lot of trials but people can't see ot because are too blind in their hate For Piltover, but he is one of the persons who attemped to do most Good and wanted nothing in return. The council position was a burden he never asked For and Even then he used it to bring independence to Zaun.
The chem tanks were the Pinnacle at the time sure. But at that moment while both were technically new hextech has a lot more money behind it and dev history to build on with piltover engineering. Given time chemtech will catch up and get even more brutal.
@@esenefte816 they hate him because they can't project their insecurities onto him. He's a handsome pioneer successful scientist who gets the girl. The average viewer can't even clean their own room.
Aged like milk
The wink from Vi 🥵🫠
YOU HAVE A POINT MAN 😳
like man- jayce, get off the way and i'll stand in your place 😆
2:06 how jayce players view themselves in top lane
the chemtanks are any melee toplaner trying to fight Jayce
But its is exactly jayce vs melee matchup lmao
Can confirm.
Not a match for a well placed Aatrox combo. Hp 100 to 0. Every ranged top deserves the same fate
Can cinfirm
1:42 - 1:46 The way Vi's blows sync with the music is so satisfying
That tyson river upper combo was satisfying
@@고뮤리I’m not the only one to see that!
i love Vi's entrance to the fight
Same
Full AD lethality Vi Landing a Full charge Q
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@@northernalpine4350 Q+E
2:28 minion blocks the skillshot :(
Bro this is to perfect
@jasduzy2228 bro💀, we'll it also was the Kids fault he coulda run away or hide
lol
this was the pinnacle of Arcane's action IMHO.
You know, it would have been so easy for them to just throw away all of Vi's fighting skills after she put on those Gauntlets. They could have easily just made her do these big, arcing swings like she was some gorilla with big, heavy gauntlets. And that would have probably been so much easier to animate. But no, they went the extra mile and said, "Yes, she still can box like those Gauntlets aren't there." and honestly, it makes the whole fight just a little bit better.
Plus, they did establish early on, one of the first things Jayce and Viktor discovered with Hextech was gravity manipulation, and it's clear that there's some of that going on with those Gauntlets. So it's not like the speed of her punches doesn't make sense either.
Those gauntlets are definition of a weapon only being an extension of one's skill. The writers constantly showed us that Vi is an incredibly talented fighter with her bare fists.
The gauntlets just give her the raw power she needs to take down even stronger opponents.
My personal headcanon for the gauntlets (In the Arcane universe anyway. I know League has their own explanation), is that they "reduce" weight by moving themselves in whatever direction the wearer exerts force, essentially making them feel light to use but still having the mass of a semi truck for the recipient.
It also prolly helps that Vi got a smidgen more muscle than the last time she tried to use weapons that were very similar
It's shown that, even as a teen, Vi can box proficiently with the Iron Gauntlets, which are basically just really heavy boxing gloves. I don't think the gauntlets are distorting weight with gravity or anything like that, they are mining equipment, I think most normal people would just use them like heavy gloves, but Vi is shown to be incredibly strong, literally throwing people bigger than her like ragdolls, so the gloves just amplifying what she's naturally going to do, box like a seasoned pro. It's been her life and way of survival for years since being in jail.
@@MadamInsanity88 if you watch her fight with sevika, when sevika damages the gauntlet, it’s full weight drops and vi and she can’t hold it anymore and is forced to fight with one hand. so the gauntlet must have some weight modification for the wearer.
Vi immediately going to Jace asking him to go to the undercity to fight with her after she JUST broke things off with Caitlyn is really funny to me - she needed a distraction so badly😆🤣 we see you girl
That punch Vi does as her entrance might be one of the best entrances I’ve ever seen into a fight.
The way his face contorts and his eyes fill with fire as the battle consumes him… incredible animation
i love how jayce is so immediately good at everything he does and how because of that he manages to fuck up even harder than if he were just bad at it
Perfectly put lol
yeah lol, a quick learner which makes him overconfident and that makes him do mistakes.
As a martial artist I absolutely adore the choreography in this series, especially whenever Vi shows her boxing chops. That combo at 1:50 after she breaks the blades shows off how technically skilled she is, overpowering a stronger opponent not with raw strength, but with superior technique and predicting his attack patterns. The machines are powerful and roided out with Shimmer, but not intelligent, and Vi is able to beat them back because she's more experienced
Vi with anybody from Piltover:
🤬👿👹😤
Vi with Jayce:
☺️😉😜
That’s her bestie
i love the use of League's in-game sfx for this fight. 1:14 Vi ult noise when she runs at the chemtech soldier, and 2:07 when Jayce switches to ranged mode.
You can really tell that Jayce’s hammer was made to be a weapon as opposed to VI’s gauntlets. You can especially tell when Vi shatters the center of one guy’s rib cage with a fully charged punch, while Jayce’s first hit DISINTEGRATES half of that poor guy’s entire skeleton
Even after Season 2 this is my favorite fight in the whole show
Came here to post this, so many points in this fight I remembered from 3 years ago vis entrance, Vis punch combo Jayce popping off I just watched s2 and none of the fights are like this
@@TyEditss yep, probably unpopular opinion but for me season 2 felt bad.
I do not remember a single fight scene from season 2, but I remember this one.
Jayce did not even use his hammer once in season 2, and vi even tough she had the hextech gloves almost every fight felt like she did not even have them on.
@@FantasticKruH I prefer season 2 but this fight is just perfect, maybe the best fight in the show. The last fight in the last episode is also extremely good.
I like how the video stops at Jayce killing a kid, like it was his main objective there.
I swear I rewatch this every week. The music, the directing, the visuals, this might be my favorite animated fight of all time.
Bro I live for these steampunk fight scenes, they're so well animated
There's a very little detail that I love in this scene. In 1:47 after Vi threw away that guy, it takes her a second to react to the next attack. Very cool that attention to detail
Still is the best fight scene in the series
Agreed
I returned here like 10 times this week
2:07 How Jayce mains feel on URF
There are jayce mains!?!
@@heavygamingupwardenjoyer1834 that’s me ☝🏻
@@alexa5ylum306 me2 :) Jayce is the Goat
I like how in the test animation we see Jayce and Vi kicking each others ass. In Arcane however they are helping each other kick some ass.
honestly hats off to jayce, he is not a fighter, he has never expressed past in such practice, we only know that he has muscles because he forges, but he went to fight with the cubic balls
im the only one who think this?
That was the most beautifully executed Vi Q I have ever seen
Love this scene. Such a fun fight and so many little details to see and hear and otherwise experience, but then at the end we're reminded what show we're watching. This isn't a story where fighting only hurts faceless baddies we're given permission not to care about.
"your people would be slaughtered" - jayce to silco after his enforcers got slaughtered
2 Hextech combatants nuked an entire squad of Shimheads. Imagine an army of Hextechs. Zaun wouldn't make it.
@@connordavisj not to mention jayce definetly isn't a fighter, the fact that he was able to take on even one LET ALONE LIKE 10 shows how op hextech is
@@connorp3618 not mention Vi's gauntlets aren't even made for combat. They just hit hard.
@@justsomeannoyingredpanda she definitely "mined" them ribs apart.
@@maosama3695 Fuckin' minecraft hands are her weapon 💀💀💀
Thats so fucking metal
Animators truly are something else. This is absolutely amazing.
What Pre-nerf Chemtank felt like to play against
true lmfao i hated that meta the most out of all the time i played league
jayce consistently killing children in both seasons👌👌
Jayce didnt kill isga.she killed herself.anyway isha is not that important🙂
The only mistakes they made with this scene was not giving Vi's final kill a flat chest plate so we can really see her stack some Denting Blows.
She used her in game "Excessive Force" ability equivalent on her last kill. You can see this on the glove, as it charges to the red zone which signifies being overcharged, thus excessive.
I was like “damn this is a badass team up” and then they killed a child
It represents the innocence lost
Honestly I see it as suicide, the guy RAN into Jayce shot line.
I was on the fence as to who my favorite character was but this scene made me absolutely love Vi. This is my favorite scene of all time.
Vi‘s wink did something to me 😩
Love the contrasting styles. Vi controlled fury full of experience. Jayce pure untrained anger
Gosh whoever directed these fight scenes man.... they knew wtf they were doing. Even when you know whats about to happen the elements that make this so damn thrilling is the adrenaline rush the scene gives you. From the camera showing of vi gauntlets literally redlining... to the impact frames from jace breaking bones... the loud screeching when vi slides down to help jace too.. the music.. they went off!!
This is the sort of stuff we love to see. Animators enjoying what they take pride in.
The fight is so good that you forgot Jayce is just human and can suddenly react to high spped
That moment you forget the human body literally pumps a bunch of performance enhancing drugs into its system in a fight for its life.
HAMMER WORKOUT
@@RC--tw7em He's had some training with whacking his hammer. Because he's fighting people who are swimming in performance enhancing drugs.
@@alaljarensi6990 It just shows the superiority of Hextech weapons over anything "Zaun" has, He says it to Silco later, that in a war they wouldnt stand a chance. TBH he didnt even performed any good moves whatsoever, just swinging his hammer and powersslamming plebs
Jayce isn't a fighter, but he knows his Hextech weapons better than anyone else, save for maybe Victor. Vi is the opposite. She's not that familiar with Hextech weaponry, but she knows how to fight and move around.
Watch it again. You'll notice how Jayce makes full use of the Hextech weaponry system, but he himself isn't used to moving around in a fight while Vi is ducking and weaving, throwing out punches wherever she can, but doesn't use the full extent of capabilities her gloves have, because she's not as familiar with them as Jayce is.
They have different strengths and weaknesses, but they compliment each other beautifully.
0:33 where music starts (dont mind this is for a class lol)
1:05 begin
1:40 end
What's the song name?
Good luck with it
@kosuuqwk it's called "Snakes" by MIYAVI and PVRIS
Arcane peaked here. Season 2 isn't even close 😂
This Show is so fucking good at making us feel exactly what they're feeling.
The music and everything is so Loud and Hyped and everything focuses on what they're doing and what they're feeling.
It's Pure Adrenaline.
And it starts to get distorted at the end, the scratching and the noise overpowering the Lyrics as Jayce just loses himself.
He already won the fight, the enemy is running, but he's still going because of that Adrenaline Rush.
And it's only when the collateral damage happens when the music drowns and silences as he realizes "Wait, fuck what just happened, what have I just done ?"
This Show is SO FUCKING GOOD.
can't wait for season 2
this show exceeded all expectation and even managed to be its own thing outside of the league community
amazing job by everyone that worked on it 💯
Almost no one outside of LoL cares about League of Legends. Arcane was stunningly animated and well crafted.
It didn't manage to be it's own thing. It's orders of magnitude better than the thing that spawned it.
@@ralalbatross Reality is riot has planned all of this they have merged all lore so in the next 5 years when the riot mmorpg comes out and there has been 5 more cinematics and 2 more seasons of arcane they get everyone to play the mmorpg and make bank.
Yes! I sold my friends on this show when I said it was an exemplary tv show. Not a good video game show. Good comparable to any piece of media in any other medium, it stands without an caveats.
I remember hearing random people talk about it in my college. I thought there was no way in hell random people are talking about league. Turns out its an amazing tv show
still one of the best scenes in arcane
I love how the scene shows the difference between a Hextech Tool and a Hextech Weapon. The gauntlets still do massive damagw, hut only because it's in the hands of an expert. It still takes her a fully charged punch or a full combo to take the goons out. The hammer on the other hand is down right lethal, every swing shatters bones and makes an amateur like Jayce a walking killing machine.
Fun fact: The chemtanks are actually an item in league
also fun fact: just like in the game, they can only go fast for a short period of time, that's why the guards became sluggish
Honestly thats the entire reason i'm here
I saw "Turbo Chemtanks in Arcane" scrolling in twitter, and I immedietly searched up "Turbo Chemtanks"
I didin't expect them to be so small but hey whatever boosts my Sett up with the item rework
Jayce missing all his autos only to hit a kid. Gj Jayce, stay pisslow.
They were zoning Qs, i think you're the one in pisslow
@@jon5579 who are you even talking to i think everyone has seen the show bro lol
@@jon5579 He was just making a joke dude, observational comedy based on jayce missing his shots on the turbo chemtank and hitting the kid, its not that serious
@@jon5579 Dude you need some help
@@fbmfbmfbm This comment wasn't for me, but you know what I actually do. I'm going to make a call.
V's little wink is adorable
Lolol that wink gets me every time. Amazing scene and fight sequence.
They nailed Everything! The pace, The song, The coreography and specially the kid
i cant stop watching this man
literally strongest duo in arcane
this single scene has more fighting action than the entire season 2
What. S2 had more action than s1
Factually incorrect information
Vi vs jinx, Vi vs Warwick, the final batle etc.
The sound track is on point with this show! 👍🏻👍🏻
This is the absolute definition of adrenaline.
Wish we got to see more of these two teaming up.. AND MORE OF THAT SWEET HAMMER!
But oh well
1:25 “say goodbye to your kneecaps, chuckleheads”
Even though Arcane is ending after Season 2...I pray to god they keep making more LoL stuff like this cause DAMN! We need more of it.
no fight compares to this one that act 3 must have people fighting better than this
im here after season 2, still best fight in whole series
A general novice in combat and a street brawler with zero experience with hextech absolutely wiped the floor with an entire squad of chemtanks.
Jayce wasn't kidding. The war's gonna annihilate Zaun.
Granted, some Zaunite champs might come out of the woods in season 2. Am personally excited to see Warwick, but hope to see more.
Zaun will never win against piltover even with warwick, zac, mundo, urgot because piltover got the devil herself, seraphine😂
No, no they wont
Not without Piltover Shooting themselves in the foot
Theres a reason they're called the under city, theyre what makes piltover Topside.
This is still the best fight in Arcane lmaoooo
1:55 this part is from an old vi animation. Blue sentinel vs Vi
Link?
When the minion blocks your skillshots 2:25
This is one of the best moments in the entire show, don't try to change my mind
1:46 - 2:00 absolutely freaking loved this vi sequence, you can totally feel how great she is at fighting + the soundtrack? chef's kiss 🤤
This animation is so amazing. I can watch this series on repeat and still be pumped up during somr of these scenes lol
Jayce is such a cool character! Well hearted, smart, handsome
I keep coming back here years later just to remember how awesome as a real gamer it was watching this for the first time, paying attention to all the details that have been put in this scene, its really like a dream coming true and every time i watch it i get tears in my eyes
Season 2 was glorious, but one thing it lacked was good fight scenes.
The fights in season 1, felt way more impactful, well because it was the first time we seen Jayce use his iconic hammer, and Vi use the Hex-tech gloves.
in the second season you already have been introduced to those weapons so fights felt like fillers.
This is also a reason why 2 seasons is more than enough for Arcane, the longer it goes the less impactful the fight scenes would feel.
We literally saw vi vs jinx??? What else do you want? We even saw victor vs jayce. The animation was far more detailed and interesting than s1
everything in season 2 was inferior to season 1.
Enforcers are just Fancier looking minions I guess :(
To be fair the chemtanks are very fast and very durable and they had the element of surprise. The enforcers had no idea what was coming, and before they could recover they got speed blitz.
@@baonkang5990 the Chemtanks just have an active that increases speed for a short time, so after taking out the gun enforcers, their dead
I wonder if it was due to them missing the chemtanks, or the chemtanks being too durable, or them hitting the targets and the bullets doing damage but the chemtanks being so full of shimmer that they dont even notice at first. Regardless of their fighting, they do look cool as heck.
Kid be like "I hear violence! Let me stand right here!"
When jayce and vi work together, you know damn well they're accomplishing nothing😭🙏🏾
This is legitimately my favorite scene in the show, League of Legends wishes it was this exciting
that goddamn wink makes my heart throb. I just can't help it amazing animation
if you’re here after watching the first three episodes, yes the music from the memorial attack does mirror this song🙂↕️
im more concerned how for the sake of plot they nerfed chemtech in the new season..
Warwick? He’s pure chemtec and nobody could stop it
the WHAT?
Remember kids, the gloves are for mining.
I’m so slow, I just realized that those turbo Chemtanks are the guys in the items art
Vi:*Boxing*
Jayce:*Plays sekiro*
Those Piltover Enforcers got rekt like minions
Honestly my only issue with this show was that, no way Jayce should be able to keep up with Turbo chem tank in pure melee combat, but the hextech knockback barrier ability like in the game makes sense
@@peanutbutter9345 I mean I agree that there was no way he should have been able to keep up with their speed, especially with that big hextech hammer, but he did fight intelligently as you would expect from a scientist, going for the joints and stuff like using the barrier like you said before.
i love this scene so much, the choreo, the music, how they two behave to each other. Mayabe my favourite scen e in the whole series, beside the ekko/Jinx Fight scene and Viktor run.
Everybody : "There's an insane battle in the factory! RUN!!"
That kid : "Nah, I'm fine in h-"
Vi's fighting style is basically all-might's fighting style. If punching doesnt work, then punch harder
No
Vi's wink 0:56 ❤❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰😉😉😉
1:24 to 1:41 is probably one of my favourite bits in this whole scene, and why I wish we got more of Vi and Jayce fighting together. With Vi, she has vastly more combat experience than Jayce, and so even with the gauntlets she's deadly quick and flows seamlessly with her attacks. With Jayce though, he's a bit heavier and clunkier in his movements, mostly because of his giant ass hammer, but you can sort of see that while he certainly isn't bad at combat, he is still pretty inexperienced. anyway this is my long way of saying i love fight scenes with giant hammers
What I personally found great about this scene is that when Vi and Jayce started fighting I thought "have they just abandoned the themes and plot so they could advertise the game by showing badass needless combat" and then the writers hit you with the consequences when they straight up kill a kid by being reckless and getting carried away
Not dissing the game - I just thought for a moment they changed what show they were making
The kid made his choice he got multiple officers killed and by staying there he knew he was putting himself in danger
@@chapman2001 I mean yeah but also -hes a kid, his mum obviously pushed him into this line of work, how many options do you think he had?
@@jameshetherington1 it’s not obvious that his mum pushed him lol
@@jameshetherington1the he’s a kid argument doesn’t really work when he gets innocent cops killed
@@chapman2001 I mean... His mum is the crime boss missing the nose, we can't know the 10 year olds motives but I doubt he fully understood what he was doing with that kind of upbringing
And these enforcers are hardly doing good police work either - at least they are grown adults