@Chicago Auto Pros Hi, as someone that is on year 3 of my Opti-Coat Pro (claimed 5 year coating) (not the Pro+Plus which was claimed 7 years at the time) on a 2008 BMW 328xi, I am curious if Optimum said anything about doing the maintenance washes with ONR? Like umm, where the Big Red Sponge at?!?! Lol. But seriously, when my car was coated I was given bottles of ONR (Opti No Rinse) and Opti-Seal to be used as a drying agent (not necessarily for "free" but it was included in the deal) and instructed to use those products exclusively for my regular washes. I live in New England and my car is out in the elements 24/7/365. When I had the car coated Optimum only offered the warranty if the car was 10 years old or newer with less than 100K miles (I believe now they only offer it for cars that are 5 years old or newer). The car had 80k but was 11 years old so no warranty for me. The coating is basically failed now at 3 years and although I've been happy with it overall, I'm now deciding what option to go with next and these videos are definitely going to help with that decision, so thank you all very much! It's timely and appreciated! Oh and Optimum, if you're listening.....hook a brother up!!😃
i dont know why anyone still uses Ceramic Pro. I've had so many customers come to me and ask me to take it off because it stops working after 1 year. Even with a 2 bucket method, iron remover and topper. Your standard Cquartz last way longer than CP.
I really appreciate this video as I attended your business class last year. Life threw me a lot of curveballs and I had to keep working my retail job. I’m finally ready to register an LLC and I need a coating supplier to work with. I know most of these manufacturers will not even acknowledge someone starting out new but I also need a coating I am comfortable putting my name on. This is definitely a test I am paying attention to and thank you so much for taking the time to out this series together.
@@ChicagoAutoPros Thank you as your message means a lot to me. I will definitely have to spend money building perception. I will also follow your leads on building a web page. I’m starting out with any real customers so the beginning so be slow and challenging. Thank you guys for all of your help!
Excellent update and video, out of all these videos this one was the best to see the water behavior 👏 😀 👌 I was surprised that Modesta really needed the boost. Happy to see that gtechnic, gyeon and especially angelwas were going really good! 🙂 Thank you for the time you put into the update! 🙂👍
Just wanted to show some love for the editing and label overlays. That takes time but it’s so satisfying and informative for us consumers really looking to compare coatings.
Okay. Who makes the best ceramic product. 16 different products frankly does not help me get to a really great ceramic product. I believe in the merits of a ceramic product I do not need to be sold. I believe in the merit of PPF and ceramic on it. My concern is with so many different ceramic products and different ways to apply them and different detail shop with different techniques . I find myself wondering if I am spending the money well. I live in Maine and drive I95 a lot and winters are cold and long. So getting the product right is as important as application of the right product. The long and short of it is TO MANY OPTIONS AND TO MANY PROVIDERS. THANK YOU
I expected you to review the ceramic coatings after 2 months like t.he title says. But no, apparently I need to buy 10 different product to keep my very expensive ceramic coating maintained.
It was really telling which coating was most durable after 2 months, after a decon and wash. After the toppers were applied, I would have liked to see which coatings “perked up” after the maintenance steps. The coatings behind the wheels do take a beating, need to keep that in mind when they need maintenance. Thanks again for the quality content!
The fact that you have to do this type of maintenance barely 2 months in on PRO level coatings is concerning. I understand that contamination buildup can happen, especially for non-garaged daily vehicles, but when your washing on a regular basis (assuming every 7-10 days) I wouldn't expect to do a decon + topper and/or cleaner for at least 3-4 months. I mean again, we are talking about PRO level coatings here.
Just like in the videos by Scott HD .....the SPS Graphene coating looks to be EXTREMELY hydrophobic....I just don't know about the durability. That is certainly one that I am watching closely as someone that drives a BMW that was coated with Opti-Coat Pro and which is nearing end-of-life at year 3.
Nice car. I have the 2.0 Sport with a manual transmission that your shop did the PPF, window and windshield tint, and you continue to detail periodically.
the whole purpose of the coating is to apply it and drive with peace of mind without worrying about how to maintain, decontaminate and top it. If it is needed to be maintained - why would one bother to go professional, if it can be covered and topped with spray wax?
Spray wax gonna build another crap on top of already accumulated crap. Use Megs Final Inspection after wash, or Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz if you want something fancy.
If you need to use a maintenance topper every few months...why would you use these pro installed coatings instead of just using consumer coatings every few months?
@@ryanb8736 Yeah, plus I saw Jason And you say that the car lives under train tracks, it's going through hell. But I think that a brand new Accord paint should be fine with these very thick coatings to bond to. Guess we just gotta wait for the 6 month update to see how both the coating and topper hold up in that specific environment
@Ryan B Wrong, Modesta like heat but hate a long waiting time before it getting washed. That's why I'm making money with Modesta but coated my own car with Zipang.
Something isn’t right here. Not saying Jason isn’t talented because he is. But I’ve never seen coatings behave this poorly this soon.. Not even the cheap Amazon ones. I’ve even seen carnuba perform better after two months. Maybe taping between the coats is allowing something to creep in or under them since there are gaps with no coating there. I’m not sure, but I swear all of these coatings should still look like day 1 even on the hood. Every coating I’ve ever used has…
Some of these (Duraslic) look better than they did in the first two, others seem less impressive now. At least in some camera shots, in others it's harder to tell, especially because the surfaces do differ in steepness, and the patches are small. I sense that this experiment could be redone in a more controlled fashion...like what if you got a ton of junkyard hoods with a larger surface area, set them up outside against a wall at a particular angle, and periodically misted on some sort of tire dust/brake dust/soot/oil/grease/salt/sulfate/carbonate mixture, then every two weeks/months recorded them being sprayed down with water for the same amount of time, distance and angle (put them all on a forklift or something?). You could get even more technical and squeegee off & collect the water that's left on and measure its weight, because while it's satisfying to watch water bead up and roll off, it could be that less dramatic and slower sheeting off evacuates more water and avoids water spots. Would be a nice complement to what you've got going on here. But either way this is a really well organized, well thought out, admirable effort that is sure to yield some informative results
@@chir0pter I get that you are saying but I think that's the purpose of this series. He wants to see how the coatings to in a uncontrolled environment. Don't get me wrong. I understand where you are coming from and duralast or whatever it is draw a short stick by being behind the drive tire but it also was in the middle of the hood and on the trunk so there was 2 other locations it could be test at
@@LoganCrum. No, you don't understand the meaning of "controlled variability". It simply means you know the sources of variability. If you have a patchwork of small squares at different angles and receiving different amounts of contaminants, then you can't actually do a comparison because the treatments weren't the same.
@@LoganCrum. Also it's tough to even measure outcomes with such small patches and just using an 'eye test', plus you're doing mental calculus of "well this y spot looks better than x but y was in a steeper position and z was also steeper but was right behind the wheel, plus is sheeting better than beading?"
I have a P&S ceramic coating after 3 months, I am blown away. I just wipe the truck off with a micerfiber towel moistened with the P&S "Spray n shine lubricant no rinse spray. 5 min. wipe down, no water, all bug and road film removed without scrubing. I have never seen any product do anything close to this. A 300 mile drive in the high to low desert Tehachapi Ca. to Bakersfield and back plus more in mojave. I have seen people say, "I don't belive in ceramic coating" , I say, yes it is hard to but seeing in believing. Likely most treatments done by a pro are worth it.
Man that must have been an insane amount of work and not to mention how meticulous you would need to be to know and follow the directions as well as where they are on a small portion of the vehicle. I appreciate everything your doing and i do not doubt it would help those looking at getting into a pro level install (or customer)
@@ChicagoAutoPros i can only imagine.....and i bet i am way under estimating juat how much it takes. I just want you to know it is very much appreciated and that it is very helpful for those looking to get into installing pro level coatings as well as customers wanting one installed. When I shared your first in this series to a ceramic coatings page on facebook i was apphauled by some of the comments as the amount of useful knowledge would save someone like me likely hundreds of hours. I will for sure be following not only every video in this series but most if not all of the others yiu guys put out
If you have a regularly driven coated vehicle, I highly recommend a wash with Carpro Descale every 2 to 4 months. It's amazing how that soap brings back coatings if it's ever in contact with hard water.
Did you guys see tonality changes on the same panel due to different products? I’m thinking about trying another brand of my doors since I had to re paint them
Awesome video! I like the real world ones instead of the “torture test” which honestly doesn’t prove much. What you are doing is so much more realistic. I was kind of surprised with opti coat didn’t seem to be doing well. I was more surprise they said use opti seal as a topper. In the past opti coat claimed you never needed a topper because the coating is just that strong; but now they are suggesting opti seal which is sort of strange because they said it wasn’t needed unless you just wanted to add extra gloss/shine. Looking forward to see how it looks in 6 months.
Thank you very much for this video, myself i have Ceramic Pro and a year and a bit later still works but proper maintenance is key i think. I use Carpro reset for my washes and it works wonders (along with Elixir for topper or sometimes Adams Graphene)
I love renew, the best part is how stupid easy it is to apply. I wish CPro sold Sport to the public because it is genuinely one of the best spray sealant products on the market.
How is the water behavior for Renew as a stand alone? Using Can Coat now which is great, but Renew looks so easy and I could reapply as often as I want.
Coatings add a layer of UV, chemical, and etching protection that a sealant/wax alone will not offer. Even without proper maintenance, a ceramic coating will still offer more ease of care and depth of gloss than sealant/wax alone. There is no such thing as a perfect solution to vehicle protection and ease of maintenance but a ceramic coating is as close as weve come as an industry.
@likeabossvideos Then you've been fooled by their marketing department. Only a coating that has Titanium Oxide has adequate UV rejection. However it only covers small spectrum of UV. Until someone can putting down Zinc Oxide in the formula. All coated clear coat will still turn yellow as fast as bare paintwork.
These coatings seemed more to ensure repeat business for detailers. Most people that pay to get their cars professionally detailed and protected aren’t the diy types that will top these coatings.
I don't know what's going on but I'm subscribed to your channel and very seldom get your videos. I adjusted the notifications and maybe we'll have better luck. .
I have had my first maintenance a few months ago for my Ceramic Pro silver, still works great. I use Carpro reset when i wash and it seems to keep it "fresh".
It’s a lot of work, but Modesta probably have the most comprehensive maintenance method and that means it will probably last the longest, if strictly sticking to each manufacturer’s regime. It’s amazing how flat they can get in 2 months on horizontal panels, just highlights the importance of keeping even coated cars clean.
SpeedCoat was designed for DS 1500, but doesn't get good adhesion to Xtreme. Sorry if this was communicated incorrectly to you. You can get away with it on some colors, but it's really not ideal. It took a lot of work to develop a product that could bond with Xtreme, but we are finally there with FlowX....coming soon
Looks like you have my clone. I just got my 22 Camaro SS 1LE in riverside blue last week. I will say being pro coatings was a little dissapointed on 2months. I did my wifes Explorer with Gyeon MOHS evo back in April and it seem to have better hydrophobics compared to alot of these and it sits outside 24/7 in Pittsburgh PA weather
Lot needs to be done right in order for these coatings to function accordingly. Seems like a lot for some just to keep up with it or you may think you’re doing everything right and still not enough. For me I’m due for a coating but i may just opt to due single stage and go with sealants from now on. Ceramic coatings do have their pros and ppf may be the better option for those who want to actually protect the paint
Thans for the fantastic info. I live in Belgium and have bought an premium select BMW i8. I gonna let it give an Gyeon Q2 Infinite EVO ceramic coating. The color of the car is Kristal White. A good or bad idea ?
You didn’t really get into external factors. I live in Arizona (just west of Phoenix) and am having a VERY hard time with the paint on my 2022 Mini Cooper S 2Dr HT in the Enigmatic Black exterior and water spotting from rain. No matter what I do, one rain = the entire car has thousands of etch marks. It’s monsoon season here, so I don’t really leave the house. I usually park in a garage but I cannot help it when it starts to rain and I’m not home. I’m disabled and 1) cannot do so much personal/physical maintenance 2) afford to keep getting treatments after it rains I had a white Jeep Wrangler but one week after moving to AZ, a teenager T-boned me and knocked the Wrangler body off of the frame. In a parking lot. Needless to say it was totaled out by my insurance company. This was September 2021. No new nor used cars could be found when I needed a vehicle. Im alone out here and only had 15 days to buy something before my rental was no longer covered by my insurance company. Mini had a car coming in within 6 days and I took it. I honestly had no choice. Thankfully I didn’t mind the car, but the price (over $40k!) vs the paint problems that I’m having are not worth the anxiety and tears. The Jeep was going to be paid off in 8 months. Now I’m stuck for 60 months on a car that has given me no joy. It’s my 3rd MINI in my life, so I knew their customer service (in NY) was impeccable but that’s NOT the case in AZ. I don’t know what to do and really need some guidance so that I’m not afraid to leave my home in case it rains. I cannot afford to pay to get the spots out. I did have a person ceramic coat it, but he did it as a favor a little bit less than MSRP due to my financial circumstances and tbh, he didn’t do a good job. I had to take it back 3 times because they kept missing areas and was told “just bring it back next week and we’ll get you all fixed up”. I couldn’t keep driving 1.5 hours each way as it’s painful for me to drive that long as well as sitting there while it’s being worked on. I just couldn’t keep doing it. Plus, at the end, after adding up each “touch up”, it ended up costing more than MSRP in the end. The black exterior plastic trim is dried out and gray. The car looks like it sits outside 24/7 and is about 5-7 years old. It has about 3k miles on it since purchasing it in October 2021. I do not drive a lot, but when I do, I’d like this car (which is more than I can afford, but had no other choices), to at the very least, look nice and not worry about the weather. Thank you for this video. I tried to hear what was best for hot climates with mostly full sun, but either it wasn’t mentioned or I missed it. The area has awful acid rain so coming from NY in a white Jeep, I’m way out of my league and alone here. Depressed, lonely and stressed about this mess of a situation. If you have any ideas, I’m all ears. Please reply if you can. Thank you.
Feynlab is known for the self healing coatings and being the first to manufacture them. They also own one other company who makes one. Feynlab is also one of the only companies who makes their coatings in house and doesn’t re label it through a blending house like many companies. They are true innovators and I love working with their coatings. They have the thickest coating on the market with Self Heal Plus. System x doesn’t come close to 20 microns… especially with one layer. That material can’t simply just thicken over time… with Self Heal Plus you are mixing up 4 bottles into 2 separate bottles of resin. Layer 1 goes on and layer 2 is applied directly on top after it’s set up. Then a leveling aid is used to wipe clear. Heal Lite is a 5 year single layer and the sister to Heal Plus. All Feynlab coatings are car fax approved and insurance covers them to be re applied if a accident happens and a panel is refinished.
one thing i get from this is pretty much no coating does what the makers are claiming, hence why they need a topper every 2 months to 2years to maintain the "warranty". one take away from this is there are a good number of quality coatings, but the losers show themselves pretty quick.
Ya know, a lot of detailers on RUclips now offer a line of car care products, The Detail Geek, MAD Detailing, Stauffer Garage, etc.... And while not a detailer SpeedStreet 717 has a car care line, it'd be interesting to see how those products perform.
A lot of these products are made by bigger companies and simply re-branded. They're basically selling their name and face. We can certainly look into that, though! Thanks for the idea.
I'm a limo driver, drive 60k+ miles a year, mostly highway, and I'm too busy to hand wash my vehicle as often as it needs to be cleaned to be presentable to clients, so I use the automatic car wash almost every other day. It does a good enough job as long as I stay on top of it, but I know that technically I'm damaging the paint. Having a 1 step paint correction done every once in a while would be fine with me and my budget. But would a ceramic coating be advisable if I'm going to continue to use the automatic wash? I've heard mixed answers about the coating being worn down much quicker and would essentially be a waste of money, and others have said that with the coating I'll need to wash it less often (which is likely true for the average driver, but with as many miles as I drive I doubt I would wash it any less). Thanks in advance.
No. A automated car wash will degrade a coating. If you can set a weekend for once a week for a nice hand wash with products that will help maintain the coating, that's fine.
Been binging your content while waiting for a new car to come in. I've been trying to find info on what I can do day one to make sure it stays straight from the factory nice. You guys should do a video on what steps and setups you recommend for new car owners. Interior and exterior protection products, etc. It'll be my first brand new car, and I want to keep it nice as long as possible! Thanks for the content!
The Pro rated attention to detail provided on this channel is not easy to find online, you guys are old school facts on facts it`s great to see these days Much appreciated !
wow, you do such a super detailed job, which helps us learn and choose methods and products tested by you. great job, continued success, you really do a great job.
It would be useful to see how the various 'toppers' perform on their own, on a non hydrophobic panel, and see if any beading is added, and if so, how long for.
@@arapaimagold8088 haha so I should have been more concise with my wording. They're going to diminish eventually from contact washing and the environment, but coatings typically last substantially longer on the rear quarter panel/door area because those areas see the least abuse. If you're trying to make a product look good in a test like this, you'd put it on the rear quarter. Knowing this, I'm fairly disappointed in Feynlabs performance in this test. Companies are so hard to trust in this industry. Keeps me going back to tried and true brands like Meguiar's, etc. As a side note...a little pessimistic of me, but I picture ceramic coatings losing popularity fairly quickly. There's too many store-bought products out there now that last 6+ months and take 15 minutes to apply
@Tier 1 Detailing Nope, rear end of the car is the first area where any coatings will die. Rear end is the area where vibration and chassis flex is the highest. Coatings is nothing more than a nanometer of quartz crystal on top of paintwork. Heck, anyone can even crush a coating by just simply leaning on the panel.
@@arapaimagold8088 lol well my $30k commuter car must be the most structurally rigid vehicle in the world. Also not what I've experienced on hundreds of ceramic coated vehicles. I'm personally on year 4 of the original XPEL Fusion formula, and the rear quarter is the only section that still significantly repels water
I have a great question here , why did you guys not do so these procedures with the other coatings in the last testing of the last Los of coatings ? Every coating comes with this same information you give ( and you started in the last run that you guys did not ) Just wondering 💭 because this is the same exact Information that any coating gives you to ensure you get the rates years of durability.
So what are the definite results?? What brand is the best??
Came for answers, leaving with more questions than before.
So much information in this series/testing for both installers and customers/clients. You guys are doing phenomenal work!
Appreciate the comment my friend .
@Chicago Auto Pros Hi, as someone that is on year 3 of my Opti-Coat Pro (claimed 5 year coating) (not the Pro+Plus which was claimed 7 years at the time) on a 2008 BMW 328xi, I am curious if Optimum said anything about doing the maintenance washes with ONR? Like umm, where the Big Red Sponge at?!?! Lol. But seriously, when my car was coated I was given bottles of ONR (Opti No Rinse) and Opti-Seal to be used as a drying agent (not necessarily for "free" but it was included in the deal) and instructed to use those products exclusively for my regular washes. I live in New England and my car is out in the elements 24/7/365. When I had the car coated Optimum only offered the warranty if the car was 10 years old or newer with less than 100K miles (I believe now they only offer it for cars that are 5 years old or newer). The car had 80k but was 11 years old so no warranty for me. The coating is basically failed now at 3 years and although I've been happy with it overall, I'm now deciding what option to go with next and these videos are definitely going to help with that decision, so thank you all very much! It's timely and appreciated!
Oh and Optimum, if you're listening.....hook a brother up!!😃
Looks like xpel isn't that great
i dont know why anyone still uses Ceramic Pro. I've had so many customers come to me and ask me to take it off because it stops working after 1 year. Even with a 2 bucket method, iron remover and topper. Your standard Cquartz last way longer than CP.
I really appreciate this video as I attended your business class last year. Life threw me a lot of curveballs and I had to keep working my retail job. I’m finally ready to register an LLC and I need a coating supplier to work with. I know most of these manufacturers will not even acknowledge someone starting out new but I also need a coating I am comfortable putting my name on. This is definitely a test I am paying attention to and thank you so much for taking the time to out this series together.
Glad to see that you got back up and still pushing forward after being hit with a curveball. If you ever need anything please reach out to me.
@@ChicagoAutoPros Thank you as your message means a lot to me. I will definitely have to spend money building perception. I will also follow your leads on building a web page. I’m starting out with any real customers so the beginning so be slow and challenging. Thank you guys for all of your help!
Excellent update and video, out of all these videos this one was the best to see the water behavior 👏 😀 👌 I was surprised that Modesta really needed the boost. Happy to see that gtechnic, gyeon and especially angelwas were going really good! 🙂
Thank you for the time you put into the update! 🙂👍
You are welcome!
Just wanted to show some love for the editing and label overlays. That takes time but it’s so satisfying and informative for us consumers really looking to compare coatings.
Thanks! -Editor
Okay. Who makes the best ceramic product. 16 different products frankly does not help me get to a really great ceramic product. I believe in the merits of a ceramic product I do not need to be sold. I believe in the merit of PPF and ceramic on it. My concern is with so many different ceramic products and different ways to apply them and different detail shop with different techniques . I find myself wondering if I am spending the money well. I live in Maine and drive I95 a lot and winters are cold and long. So getting the product right is as important as application of the right product. The long and short of it is TO MANY OPTIONS AND TO MANY PROVIDERS. THANK YOU
Love your videos! Btw Gyeon and Gtechniq looking great!
My thoughts by eye also. They, along with angel, are hands down winners imo.
Great video guys!
I expected you to review the ceramic coatings after 2 months like t.he title says. But no, apparently I need to buy 10 different product to keep my very expensive ceramic coating maintained.
Some of these really suck after 2 months. Have had good luck so far with Avalon King.
It was really telling which coating was most durable after 2 months, after a decon and wash. After the toppers were applied, I would have liked to see which coatings “perked up” after the maintenance steps. The coatings behind the wheels do take a beating, need to keep that in mind when they need maintenance. Thanks again for the quality content!
At 6 months I will show before and after toppers.
The fact that you have to do this type of maintenance barely 2 months in on PRO level coatings is concerning. I understand that contamination buildup can happen, especially for non-garaged daily vehicles, but when your washing on a regular basis (assuming every 7-10 days) I wouldn't expect to do a decon + topper and/or cleaner for at least 3-4 months. I mean again, we are talking about PRO level coatings here.
This car lives in Downtown Chicago under the trains. It's going to get hammered
@theReal evo77
Carpro Descale do exist.
Fireball slaying like i knew it would
A nice video to watch after work. Nice.
Just like in the videos by Scott HD .....the SPS Graphene coating looks to be EXTREMELY hydrophobic....I just don't know about the durability. That is certainly one that I am watching closely as someone that drives a BMW that was coated with Opti-Coat Pro and which is nearing end-of-life at year 3.
Nice car. I have the 2.0 Sport with a manual transmission that your shop did the PPF, window and windshield tint, and you continue to detail periodically.
Silla and Angelwax looked great. Good job guys
Different panel geometry though, gave some spots an advantage and others not.
Hey don’t y’all owe us an update? Impatiently waiting!
That’s Gtechniq is on point !!!
the whole purpose of the coating is to apply it and drive with peace of mind without worrying about how to maintain, decontaminate and top it. If it is needed to be maintained - why would one bother to go professional, if it can be covered and topped with spray wax?
Spray wax gonna build another crap on top of already accumulated crap.
Use Megs Final Inspection after wash, or Polish Angel Cosmic Spritz if you want something fancy.
If you need to use a maintenance topper every few months...why would you use these pro installed coatings instead of just using consumer coatings every few months?
Surprised Modesta was hit pretty hard like that. Silla is holding up pretty well. Angel wax is doing well. Xpel looking weak. Interesting results
Iron and heat from hot hood will cause that. Remember a coating is only as good as quality of paint too.
@@ryanb8736 Yeah, plus I saw Jason And you say that the car lives under train tracks, it's going through hell. But I think that a brand new Accord paint should be fine with these very thick coatings to bond to. Guess we just gotta wait for the 6 month update to see how both the coating and topper hold up in that specific environment
@Ryan B
Wrong, Modesta like heat but hate a long waiting time before it getting washed. That's why I'm making money with Modesta but coated my own car with Zipang.
Something isn’t right here. Not saying Jason isn’t talented because he is. But I’ve never seen coatings behave this poorly this soon.. Not even the cheap Amazon ones. I’ve even seen carnuba perform better after two months. Maybe taping between the coats is allowing something to creep in or under them since there are gaps with no coating there. I’m not sure, but I swear all of these coatings should still look like day 1 even on the hood. Every coating I’ve ever used has…
Man you worked HARD on this one and it pays! Wealth of info and education. 👊👍😎
The most comprehensive coatings comparison i have come across so far well done guys 👍
Gtechniq is at 10:12…
When you think about all the work later by the 'pro' or program installer it makes one think about the true value of those coatings....just saying
Y'all should give the editor a raise for his hard work and dedication lol
Some of these (Duraslic) look better than they did in the first two, others seem less impressive now. At least in some camera shots, in others it's harder to tell, especially because the surfaces do differ in steepness, and the patches are small. I sense that this experiment could be redone in a more controlled fashion...like what if you got a ton of junkyard hoods with a larger surface area, set them up outside against a wall at a particular angle, and periodically misted on some sort of tire dust/brake dust/soot/oil/grease/salt/sulfate/carbonate mixture, then every two weeks/months recorded them being sprayed down with water for the same amount of time, distance and angle (put them all on a forklift or something?). You could get even more technical and squeegee off & collect the water that's left on and measure its weight, because while it's satisfying to watch water bead up and roll off, it could be that less dramatic and slower sheeting off evacuates more water and avoids water spots. Would be a nice complement to what you've got going on here. But either way this is a really well organized, well thought out, admirable effort that is sure to yield some informative results
But this is a real-world study. each coating was given a random spot by draw. Thats why they have multiple spots on the car.
@@LoganCrum. "real world" as in with uncontrolled variability? that's not what makes a good experiment.
@@chir0pter I get that you are saying but I think that's the purpose of this series. He wants to see how the coatings to in a uncontrolled environment. Don't get me wrong. I understand where you are coming from and duralast or whatever it is draw a short stick by being behind the drive tire but it also was in the middle of the hood and on the trunk so there was 2 other locations it could be test at
@@LoganCrum. No, you don't understand the meaning of "controlled variability". It simply means you know the sources of variability. If you have a patchwork of small squares at different angles and receiving different amounts of contaminants, then you can't actually do a comparison because the treatments weren't the same.
@@LoganCrum. Also it's tough to even measure outcomes with such small patches and just using an 'eye test', plus you're doing mental calculus of "well this y spot looks better than x but y was in a steeper position and z was also steeper but was right behind the wheel, plus is sheeting better than beading?"
Appreciate this video. A lot of work went in it.
Thank you for the comment.
I have a P&S ceramic coating after 3 months, I am blown away. I just wipe the truck off with a micerfiber towel moistened with the P&S "Spray n shine lubricant no rinse spray. 5 min. wipe down, no water, all bug and road film removed without scrubing. I have never seen any product do anything close to this. A 300 mile drive in the high to low desert Tehachapi Ca. to Bakersfield and back plus more in mojave.
I have seen people say, "I don't belive in ceramic coating" , I say, yes it is hard to but seeing in believing. Likely most treatments done by a pro are worth it.
You should do some Shine Supply products. and snake oil by Chem-X
Man that must have been an insane amount of work and not to mention how meticulous you would need to be to know and follow the directions as well as where they are on a small portion of the vehicle. I appreciate everything your doing and i do not doubt it would help those looking at getting into a pro level install (or customer)
More work than I would like to admit.
@@ChicagoAutoPros i can only imagine.....and i bet i am way under estimating juat how much it takes. I just want you to know it is very much appreciated and that it is very helpful for those looking to get into installing pro level coatings as well as customers wanting one installed. When I shared your first in this series to a ceramic coatings page on facebook i was apphauled by some of the comments as the amount of useful knowledge would save someone like me likely hundreds of hours. I will for sure be following not only every video in this series but most if not all of the others yiu guys put out
That’s a ton of effort to make this video series. Well done.
Thanks! -Chicago Auto Pro Team
If you have a regularly driven coated vehicle, I highly recommend a wash with Carpro Descale every 2 to 4 months. It's amazing how that soap brings back coatings if it's ever in contact with hard water.
Looks like a pain to keep checking where each coating is! Alot of effort went into this, good work 👍
The worst part about this video is having to wait 6 months for a next update 😭😂
Please learn to hold a cloth properly.
Did you guys see tonality changes on the same panel due to different products? I’m thinking about trying another brand of my doors since I had to re paint them
which ceramic coating would you say is best for durability and shine?
Have you tested Icon Rocklear?
Is this a better product than ceramic coatings?
Awesome video! I like the real world ones instead of the “torture test” which honestly doesn’t prove much. What you are doing is so much more realistic. I was kind of surprised with opti coat didn’t seem to be doing well. I was more surprise they said use opti seal as a topper. In the past opti coat claimed you never needed a topper because the coating is just that strong; but now they are suggesting opti seal which is sort of strange because they said it wasn’t needed unless you just wanted to add extra gloss/shine.
Looking forward to see how it looks in 6 months.
what a pain. I'll stick with wax, it works.
Thank you very much for this video, myself i have Ceramic Pro and a year and a bit later still works but proper maintenance is key i think.
I use Carpro reset for my washes and it works wonders (along with Elixir for topper or sometimes Adams Graphene)
Super, super instructive! I love everything about ceramic coating, topper, maintenance, rejuvenation....! 👍 👍 👍
I was pleasantly surprised with SystemX renew. It's phenomenal on its own but also phenomenal Topper for every coating I've used it on.
I love renew, the best part is how stupid easy it is to apply. I wish CPro sold Sport to the public because it is genuinely one of the best spray sealant products on the market.
How is the water behavior for Renew as a stand alone? Using Can Coat now which is great, but Renew looks so easy and I could reapply as often as I want.
Looks like gtechniq ultra is the best
Great video Jason!!
Thanks for all the work for this vid! Genuinely unsure about the purpose of coatings if we just top cars every 2-3 months or every 6 months.
Coatings add a layer of UV, chemical, and etching protection that a sealant/wax alone will not offer. Even without proper maintenance, a ceramic coating will still offer more ease of care and depth of gloss than sealant/wax alone. There is no such thing as a perfect solution to vehicle protection and ease of maintenance but a ceramic coating is as close as weve come as an industry.
@likeabossvideos
Then you've been fooled by their marketing department. Only a coating that has Titanium Oxide has adequate UV rejection. However it only covers small spectrum of UV. Until someone can putting down Zinc Oxide in the formula. All coated clear coat will still turn yellow as fast as bare paintwork.
These coatings seemed more to ensure repeat business for detailers. Most people that pay to get their cars professionally detailed and protected aren’t the diy types that will top these coatings.
I don't know what's going on but I'm subscribed to your channel and very seldom get your videos. I adjusted the notifications and maybe we'll have better luck. .
Got to hit that bell!
Gyeon & Angel wax ...still work..
I just had my vehicle coated by a Ceramic Pro installer outstanding so far... I got the Silver Package 5 year coating
I have had my first maintenance a few months ago for my Ceramic Pro silver, still works great. I use Carpro reset when i wash and it seems to keep it "fresh".
All of those requirements can be easily monitored and maintained in an ms excel spreadsheet
This is WAY to much thought and work to put into a daily driver!
We do it for you!
It’s a lot of work, but Modesta probably have the most comprehensive maintenance method and that means it will probably last the longest, if strictly sticking to each manufacturer’s regime. It’s amazing how flat they can get in 2 months on horizontal panels, just highlights the importance of keeping even coated cars clean.
Yeah this car sits in Downtown Chicago outside. It gets hammered.
That's really strange. Duraslic told me to use Their Speedcoat to maintain their coatings. It looked like that's what you were holding
SpeedCoat was designed for DS 1500, but doesn't get good adhesion to Xtreme. Sorry if this was communicated incorrectly to you. You can get away with it on some colors, but it's really not ideal. It took a lot of work to develop a product that could bond with Xtreme, but we are finally there with FlowX....coming soon
@@duraslic Just got my bottle this weekend.
OK this is pretty in depth. I was hoping to get to the “this is the best” part. Guess I’ll have to stick around.
My Kamakazi ISM 1.0 at 1.5 years with no Topper on my daily driver still put preforms all those at 2 months
Looks like you have my clone. I just got my 22 Camaro SS 1LE in riverside blue last week. I will say being pro coatings was a little dissapointed on 2months. I did my wifes Explorer with Gyeon MOHS evo back in April and it seem to have better hydrophobics compared to alot of these and it sits outside 24/7 in Pittsburgh PA weather
Awesome job!!!
Lot needs to be done right in order for these coatings to function accordingly. Seems like a lot for some just to keep up with it or you may think you’re doing everything right and still not enough. For me I’m due for a coating but i may just opt to due single stage and go with sealants from now on. Ceramic coatings do have their pros and ppf may be the better option for those who want to actually protect the paint
Thans for the fantastic info. I live in Belgium and have bought an premium select BMW i8. I gonna let it give an Gyeon Q2 Infinite EVO ceramic coating. The color of the car is Kristal White. A good or bad idea ?
You didn’t really get into external factors. I live in Arizona (just west of Phoenix) and am having a VERY hard time with the paint on my 2022 Mini Cooper S 2Dr HT in the Enigmatic Black exterior and water spotting from rain. No matter what I do, one rain = the entire car has thousands of etch marks. It’s monsoon season here, so I don’t really leave the house.
I usually park in a garage but I cannot help it when it starts to rain and I’m not home. I’m disabled and
1) cannot do so much personal/physical maintenance
2) afford to keep getting treatments after it rains
I had a white Jeep Wrangler but one week after moving to AZ, a teenager T-boned me and knocked the Wrangler body off of the frame. In a parking lot. Needless to say it was totaled out by my insurance company. This was September 2021. No new nor used cars could be found when I needed a vehicle. Im alone out here and only had 15 days to buy something before my rental was no longer covered by my insurance company. Mini had a car coming in within 6 days and I took it. I honestly had no choice. Thankfully I didn’t mind the car, but the price (over $40k!) vs the paint problems that I’m having are not worth the anxiety and tears. The Jeep was going to be paid off in 8 months. Now I’m stuck for 60 months on a car that has given me no joy. It’s my 3rd MINI in my life, so I knew their customer service (in NY) was impeccable but that’s NOT the case in AZ. I don’t know what to do and really need some guidance so that I’m not afraid to leave my home in case it rains. I cannot afford to pay to get the spots out. I did have a person ceramic coat it, but he did it as a favor a little bit less than MSRP due to my financial circumstances and tbh, he didn’t do a good job. I had to take it back 3 times because they kept missing areas and was told “just bring it back next week and we’ll get you all fixed up”. I couldn’t keep driving 1.5 hours each way as it’s painful for me to drive that long as well as sitting there while it’s being worked on. I just couldn’t keep doing it. Plus, at the end, after adding up each “touch up”, it ended up costing more than MSRP in the end. The black exterior plastic trim is dried out and gray. The car looks like it sits outside 24/7 and is about 5-7 years old. It has about 3k miles on it since purchasing it in October 2021. I do not drive a lot, but when I do, I’d like this car (which is more than I can afford, but had no other choices), to at the very least, look nice and not worry about the weather.
Thank you for this video. I tried to hear what was best for hot climates with mostly full sun, but either it wasn’t mentioned or I missed it. The area has awful acid rain so coming from NY in a white Jeep, I’m way out of my league and alone here. Depressed, lonely and stressed about this mess of a situation.
If you have any ideas, I’m all ears. Please reply if you can. Thank you.
Feynlab is known for the self healing coatings and being the first to manufacture them. They also own one other company who makes one. Feynlab is also one of the only companies who makes their coatings in house and doesn’t re label it through a blending house like many companies. They are true innovators and I love working with their coatings. They have the thickest coating on the market with Self Heal Plus. System x doesn’t come close to 20 microns… especially with one layer. That material can’t simply just thicken over time… with Self Heal Plus you are mixing up 4 bottles into 2 separate bottles of resin. Layer 1 goes on and layer 2 is applied directly on top after it’s set up. Then a leveling aid is used to wipe clear. Heal Lite is a 5 year single layer and the sister to Heal Plus. All Feynlab coatings are car fax approved and insurance covers them to be re applied if a accident happens and a panel is refinished.
Contamination, you mean dirt?
Which gyeon product was used?
Infinite Base Type 1 topped with Infinite Top Coat.
Im a certified detailer for angelwax and you should have used enigma qed not the qed. Enigma qed has sio2
You used the original one QED from Angelwax. Not the Enigma!
Maybe I missed it, but why no professional carpro products?
So much good information in a short time. Just fun to watch. I'm a professional detailer and enjoy your videos immensely.
one thing i get from this is pretty much no coating does what the makers are claiming, hence why they need a topper every 2 months to 2years to maintain the "warranty". one take away from this is there are a good number of quality coatings, but the losers show themselves pretty quick.
What a great real life torture parking near railroads in the city. Only thing tougher is ph13 car washes. Do it! 😀
I love how you threw up the names in the video. So much easier to keep rack of what’s where.
Is geyon any gd and fenylab as that’s what my detailer has got as I have bought a new car
Ya know, a lot of detailers on RUclips now offer a line of car care products, The Detail Geek, MAD Detailing, Stauffer Garage, etc.... And while not a detailer SpeedStreet 717 has a car care line, it'd be interesting to see how those products perform.
A lot of these products are made by bigger companies and simply re-branded. They're basically selling their name and face. We can certainly look into that, though! Thanks for the idea.
I'm a limo driver, drive 60k+ miles a year, mostly highway, and I'm too busy to hand wash my vehicle as often as it needs to be cleaned to be presentable to clients, so I use the automatic car wash almost every other day. It does a good enough job as long as I stay on top of it, but I know that technically I'm damaging the paint. Having a 1 step paint correction done every once in a while would be fine with me and my budget. But would a ceramic coating be advisable if I'm going to continue to use the automatic wash? I've heard mixed answers about the coating being worn down much quicker and would essentially be a waste of money, and others have said that with the coating I'll need to wash it less often (which is likely true for the average driver, but with as many miles as I drive I doubt I would wash it any less).
Thanks in advance.
No. A automated car wash will degrade a coating. If you can set a weekend for once a week for a nice hand wash with products that will help maintain the coating, that's fine.
Awesome! Looking forward to the next update!! 👍🏼👍🏼
Been binging your content while waiting for a new car to come in. I've been trying to find info on what I can do day one to make sure it stays straight from the factory nice. You guys should do a video on what steps and setups you recommend for new car owners. Interior and exterior protection products, etc. It'll be my first brand new car, and I want to keep it nice as long as possible! Thanks for the content!
The Pro rated attention to detail provided on this channel is not easy to find online, you guys are old school facts on facts it`s great to see these days Much appreciated !
wow, you do such a super detailed job, which helps us learn and choose methods and products tested by you. great job, continued success, you really do a great job.
Thank you!
Man that paint is stained to hell all over!
Do you like Opticoat or Beadlock better?
Following up. Didn't see an update
Sir, what cloth are you using in this video
I just got ceramic coating on my car and I’m an idiot bc i gave it a hand car wash the day after i picked it up. Did i ruin the coating by washing it?
It is possible you may have compromised the curing process. Best advice would be to give it time and wash again and see how it is performing.
Isn't it Care the product for Ceramic Pro? Because Sport is like CQ Lite. Is a coating I believe.
I do believe you are correct. And Sport the consumer cannot even purchase it would seem. I just use Carpro Elixir and has not failed me.
It would be useful to see how the various 'toppers' perform on their own, on a non hydrophobic panel, and see if any beading is added, and if so, how long for.
It would last and perform better on bare panel compared to coated panel. And that's the reason why I only use Final Inspection after wash.
Awesome video guys!!
What car wash did you use in the beginning?
When it comes to Gyeon is Cancoat Evo or WetCoat a choice? To me, either one would seem suffice.
You can use the ceramic detailer.
Veros all the way!!
What did Feynlab and Gtechniq do to earn those spots on the rear quarter lol? Those aren't gonna diminish at all
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They will die, from metal flexing on backside of car.
@@arapaimagold8088 haha so I should have been more concise with my wording. They're going to diminish eventually from contact washing and the environment, but coatings typically last substantially longer on the rear quarter panel/door area because those areas see the least abuse.
If you're trying to make a product look good in a test like this, you'd put it on the rear quarter. Knowing this, I'm fairly disappointed in Feynlabs performance in this test. Companies are so hard to trust in this industry. Keeps me going back to tried and true brands like Meguiar's, etc.
As a side note...a little pessimistic of me, but I picture ceramic coatings losing popularity fairly quickly. There's too many store-bought products out there now that last 6+ months and take 15 minutes to apply
@Tier 1 Detailing
Nope, rear end of the car is the first area where any coatings will die. Rear end is the area where vibration and chassis flex is the highest. Coatings is nothing more than a nanometer of quartz crystal on top of paintwork. Heck, anyone can even crush a coating by just simply leaning on the panel.
@@arapaimagold8088 lol well my $30k commuter car must be the most structurally rigid vehicle in the world. Also not what I've experienced on hundreds of ceramic coated vehicles. I'm personally on year 4 of the original XPEL Fusion formula, and the rear quarter is the only section that still significantly repels water
Really would like to see Undrdog Pro compared to some of these.
Its a consumer grade coatings, maybe he’ll do a vid on that next
I have a great question here , why did you guys not do so these procedures with the other coatings in the last testing of the last Los of coatings ?
Every coating comes with this same information you give ( and you started in the last run that you guys did not )
Just wondering 💭 because this is the same exact Information that any coating gives you to ensure you get the rates years of durability.
Because we wanted to see how long they lasted without doing maintenance.
@@ChicagoAutoPros hmm
@@ChicagoAutoPros but no coating will last without the manufacture required maintenance schedule, as you stated here ?
Just my 2 cent but good video
Gtechniq is on 🔥
Thank you, Jason for doing this.