Graphene Coatings VS Ceramic Coatings
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- Graphene coatings are now being sold in the detailing world as an innovation over Ceramic Coatings. They claim to have better protection and water spot resistance than Ceramic Coatings, but is it all hype? Join me as I test Ethos Graphene coating against Gtehcniq Crystal Serum Light and learn as much as I can about this new coating.
Correction 6:24 Ethos recommends waiting 1 hour before applying second layer
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#graphene #ceramic
Never in a million years would I have imagined sitting through an hour video of product testing for an auto coating material. This is the most fascinating, comprehensive, understandable, and unbiased product test I've ever seen. Jason, you've done an outstanding job. I am truly impressed. Wished you lived and worked in the Miami area.
There is a twenty minute video on washing microfibre cloths somewhere. Brilliant, like this.
PS, I got the Mrs to get liquid detergent for the washing machine and not powder because of that video.
Don't tell her why though.
Fantastic job thank you so very much
Same here.
I learned a lot from that video
Project Farm is another great source.
THIS kinda content is what my brain NEEDS, regardless of subject matter. I want to get the deep dive to know why and how a product works.
If I've learned anything from this video, it's that the best protection for your vehicles bodywork is purple tape.
Bruh!! they do make vinyl..like that stuff your girl put's on her nail's...
@@__--JY-Moe--__ That was hilarious!!
or don't drive the vehicles.
LMAO!!!
@@papagen00 Maximum Garage Isolation!
This reminds me more of the investigative journalism stories that used to exist years (decades) ago.
How refreshing to see this kind of reporting hasn't been lost like so much else.
Jason, after watching all six different videos by the RUclips superstars on the 303 graphenes, and so many others about the newest product in ceramics, the graphene, I think Ethos represents all of them in your example. My take is that your video has far surpassed all the others in its depth, scope, and conclusions. From what I can gather over the last couple of months and more specifically the last two weeks, Graphene is more of a new "Buzz" word than an actual new product that covers your car in graphene for protection. It is more of a different recipe within the ceramic world. AMMO NYC explains it better than anyone I have read or watched. Your test validates exactly what he explained on his charts, graphs, and chemical analysis. After everything has been said and done, my conclusion is that the "new" ceramic we are now calling "Graphene" are a little easier to apply than some of the other ceramics, but when it comes to all the other attributes, gloss, protection, water beading, water spot issues, and durability, well, they seem very similar indeed. The greatest video I have seen in a long time and I would love to see you and AMMO NYC join in producing a video. Thank you so much.
Can you link the video or article where AMMO NYC talks about graphene? I can't seem to find it.
@@randylee7557 look up his Reflex Pro video, he talks about it a few minutes in
I would ad that the mfr Adams graphene may have other properties that make it excel even though graphene itself may be a buzzword. In tests I saw (on RUclips, admittedly) the durability and persistence of Adams was very easy to witness.
I appriciate the investigation format of this video. This is one of the biggest questions in the industry right now and there are no clear answers. All this investigation and info is greatly appriciated. Thank you.
Jim is so fun to listen to when he is talking chemistry. Thanks for digging into this. Someone needed to do it! Well done Jason.
I appreciated what Jason did here. He put the industry first, as a whole, over individual profits. The responses from the various Graphene coating companies is very telling of what is going on with these underdeveloped products. He saved me from buying $500 in coatings for my business that truly hasn't been properly vetted or developed.
Jim is a straight up, down to earth, intelligent dude. Thanks for the support Matt.
Appreciate CAP for making this vid on graphene! After watching the entire vid, I’d have to agree with the chemist from Dr Beasley, this is more marketing hype than an actual new product that is superior to ceramic coatings. I also take it that CAP came to the same conclusion as they mentioned in the description that they no longer carry Ethos Graphene!!
No need to go down that rabbit hole now...
Agreed. Great video.
Thank you for taking the time to compare these 2 coatings and really put them to the test. Well done!
To clarify, because I don't think Beasley property answered your question about graphene in relation to the strength. The notion that graphene is 200x stronger than steel is ONLY true when you talk about a ONE ATOM thick layer, which is how graphene lays out, compared to one atom thick of steel. Steel, like "bullet proof glass," is not actually bullet proof until they reach a certain thickness.
Furthermore, the "strength" of graphene is based on a linear force test, since graphene itself is 1 layer thick, and means that pulling it apart from both ends (effectively) makes it the strongest. But the question then becomes, how then does that play a role in a coating when the formula obviously contains 98%+ NON-graphene material. Still waiting on that answer.
The answer is that he has not seen any benefit of adding Graphene into a coating because it’s not creating the lattice structure needed to create the “barrier” layer.
Maze to confusion But we don’t know from what. I have been asking this question since graphene was first toted. Nobody has given even a basic explanation for HOW the graphene itself causes that. It *could* be helping, but we don’t know if it is something else in the formula.
Great point. You would still poke your finger through 200x atoms width of steel.
The notion of producing that structural chicken wire layer has yet to be explained.
We know Graphene as a product entity has great potential, adding it as a ratio does not in itself improve strength..or function.
Graphene is being explored in the bike industry for thinner thus lighter frames. But, they have difficulty of forming the material in whatever process they have available. I can imagine graphene can only be added for coating a surface in the smallest amount that it has no advantage over a ceramic.
That chemist from Dr. Beasleys impresses me. You can tell he's honest to a T and doesn't have that corporate salesman type of talk. I'm definitely going to look into their products
(With a Southern Belle charm) Amen! ;)
Another good stuff.
I always think that the advancement of technology is getting more and more remarkable rapidly.
In the near future, ceramic coatings may get the feature of bulletproof.
The chemist seems knowledgeable, however there also seems to be a small hint of bias in his explanations, since he’s got a coating as well.
I'm just going 2 drink the whole sweet bottle...
He's a salesman, to my mind; he could have said no it's not going to stop a bullet ... giggle ...
Thanks for taking the time to create this video. Looking forward to the days when Graphene coatings can protect against door dings! For now I'll continue to park in BFE!
"I got out of the coating industry drama but I decided to create a new coating" LOL okay guy.
I'm more impressed with that tape holding up then both the coatings 😅
I had the same thought as I watched this.
Same here. That tape is impressive
Exactly what I came to say. That tape needs to be sent off to Project Farm for testing.
3M Automotive painters tape for curved surfaces.
It’s good stuff.
I'm going to try the tape as a full PPF wrap! (No not really! 😉🤣)
Thanks Jason for taking the time to conduct this unbiased review. I'll tell you what, the best thing about the video is the new Rupes line ;). I love CSL and can't wait to give Ethos's Grapehne matrix a spin. One thing not mentioned often is that Ceramic coatings aren't going to get much better and that Graphene coatings (however they are made) are arguably nearly as good as the Ceramic that have been tested/proven with R & D over the years. Graphene is still in its infancy and overtime, I believe that it'll be better than Ceramic coatings, but it's not there yet.
Dylan Riggs I agree 100%
@@ChicagoAutoPros what would you recommend for a matte black paint?
That was an interesting comparison. My takeaway is that both seem to be good options. I'd need a couple years of actual use and exposure to the harsh conditions we endure here in northern Illinois to decide which is better. Maybe time will tell. When ceramic coatings first came out, the claims were overblown in my opinion. Ceramics are great, and I've had good luck with the one I chose, but you can't just apply a ceramic and expect it to hold up. Booster products help maintain water beading or sheeting properties. After two years of road salt, semi frequent washing, various bird bombs, and brake dust, it's time for a paint correction and re-coating. While Jason may have been bummed that both coatings polished off quite easily in the bonus footage, I'd consider that a plus. I'd hate to have to be too aggressive with compounds just to remove a previous coating. Gentlest test spot that produces the desired result wins.
Awesome video. With such a close comparison outcome the logical choice for me would be to purchase the one that has the best reputation, proven longevity and cost. Kinda like the old saying goes " if its not broken don't fix it" Ive had my vehicles ceramic coated with great results. Just purchased a new truck and thought id do some research on new and maybe improved products. From what I gathered there is no reason for me to switch. Thanks for very informative video.
Now coat half of a car in Graphene, and the other half in CSL. Live with it for 6-12 months, and report back monthly. This is the only real way to test a coating in my opinion. From my hands on experience with CSL that slickness you love will diminish quickly, as well as the crazy hydrophobicity unless topped with EXO. This is a great starting point, but I think it needs to be expanded and tested further for a true conclusion.
Agree!
I have my vehicle with one side Avalon king and the other side Adam’s graphene. It has been over a year. Both are doing well but I think graphene is not as slick to me. I don’t think graphene makes much of a difference from what I experienced so far talking to other retailers and my own experience.
@EclisseDetailing so u think the avalon king ceramic coating is better than the Adam's graphene ceramic coating?
TL DR: "Graphene coatings" are not graphene coatings. They're ceramic coatings with graphene/graphite additive.
So what's the difference?
@@rhodesianwojak2095 watch the video.
Rhodesian Wojak nothing. It’s a marketing gimmick
They're using the same carrier, only MSDS will be able to tell if there's any silicon dioxide or polysiloxane in it.
Hate to break it to you, but ceramic coatings aren't ceramic coatings. They're coatings with ceramic additive.
Jason, a message from a real coatings chemist with a PhD: Hydrofluoric Acid of any strength is potentially lethal if splashed on your skin. I would not do what you did unless I was wearing a specialist chemical protection suit. Bare arms and exam gloves are a trip to your local chemical burns unit. Always have calcium gluconate cream to hand if you must use HF.
For real… That’s what street bombers use to etch tags on windows cause it just eats away at the glass leaving a permanent cloudy surface behind. But it’s well known that it’s VERY dangerous to deal with…if you accidentally spill some on your hand or arm it’s gonna melt away the flesh instantly. It’s literally the acid you think of when you see monster movies where they dissolve bodies in barrels of acid lol
Hydroflouric acid does NOT burn skin silly. It is odorless and looks like water and goes through the skin and starts eating the calcium in your bones. You are thinking of hydrochloric acid maybe.
The guys at Detail Ease South Africa combined the Ceramic and Graphene all in one as just as they have done the Decon with wheel cleaner ,tar and break buster all on one and it works perfectly
Ethos seems kinda worried. Everything will be tested it's just a given. Owner doesn't want drama?? Well it's the detail world it's very competitive. Jason you are badass!!
The Ethos owner is a drama catalyst
I bought an Ethos graphene and an Adams graphene for 3 cars to compare. One white, one black and one a goldish/tan (chevy suv). So far I've done the goldish/tan with the adams and it really turned out nice. I only used 1/2 the bottle on it with 1/2 being two layer and all glass done also. We just did a road trip and vacation to the mountains. The bugs, dirt and tree sap came righ off of the graphene coat. Beading is phenominal. It had Cquartz UK 2.0 and at 3 years it was completely gone. Not unexpected for an ungaraged Arizona car that's rarely washed. Next will be the white with what's left of the Adams. I saved the Ethos for my Audi.
Another detailer's site talked with a major car care formulater and he said the graphene helps to mask the hydroxyl goup of the SiO2 that water sticks to creating water spots. From what I've seen, beading on Adams graphene is much better than CQuartz UK. Something Beasleys said he never reviewed.
Jim from Dr Beasleys was full of buzzwords and pseudo-science himself. He seems like a nice dude, but he’s FOS.
You sure go that right. Salesmen and politicians never compare apples to apples. A blanket statement that graphene is 200 times stronger than steel obfuscates the fact that a sheet of pure graphene is 200 times stronger than a sheet of mild steel of the same thickness. Since a sheet of graphene is, by definition, the thickness of the diameter of a single carbon atom (0.15 nm, or 0.00000000015 meters thick) the comparison Jim was actually making is that a sheet of graphene is 200 times strong than a sheet of steel (the type of steel is never defined) that is 1/10,000 as thick as the regular strength tin foil you buy at the local supermarket . since normal strength tin foil is 0.016mm, or 0.0000016 meters, thick. I am not a ballistics expert, but table 14.2 in the most recent US Army ballistics manual states that a minimum thickness of 1.3 inches (0.03302 meters) of mild steel is required to effectively ensure against penetration of a standard 30 cal ball round, I am fairly certain that Jim's claim that the science seems to indicate that the recommended 2 coats of graphene on your car just might make it bullet proof is pretty much B.S.
1:00:48 you didnt even show more than 4 seconds of how it performs after the tests. wtf you mean "well there it is"????
I am currently testing ethos on my 2020 Corvette C8. I just put out a video on the full detail of it and using ethos for the coating. I drive my Vette a lot so it will be a bit more of a real world test in terms of durability. I will also also be applying ethos on my daily driver detail van that sits outside and see how it holds up. More videos to come on that on my detailing channel for anyone who may be interested in my results of it.
Have you researched adama graphene?
It's stronger than steel at the same volume. A one-atom layer of graphene is 200 times stronger than a one-atom layer of steel.
Correction 6:24 Ethos recommends waiting 1 hour before applying second layer
Ethos Car Care does this mean it was an unfair test of the product?
Jay G not at all, it just means it’s one layer vs one layer.
Chicago Auto Pros I totally agree but the test was manufacturer recommendation, which is two for Ethos
@@ChicagoAutoPros who take the best ?
If graphene exhibits certain magical properties only when it is one atom thick, why would anyone recommend putting on 2 applications?
Awesome material! Love the honesty!
My personal lesson from your video is: that the graphene products that are available to the public at this moment, are crap, until they find a “scientific” possibility to actually bond a good and equal amount of graphene layer onto a vehicle. Then it will be something to look into!
Have I understood that correctly?
Please keep us updated as u already do!
The graphene powder won't fuze itself into a single molecular hexagon layer, that will never happen.
That would be like putting coal into bulletproof vests can calling it carbon fiber (kevlar™)
I use graphene ceramic coating on all of my clients vehicles and I’ve found out it that it keeps it’s water heading for years. I had a previous ceramic coating on my personal vehicle and i polished again and applied the graphene coating and it goes on very easy, it wipes off easy and so far after a year it looks like the first day that I put it on
How has your graphene coatings held up? Your message was 3 years ago so id be interested to hear your opinion on graphene now that a lot of time has passed...i personally love the 303 nano graphene spray...it applies so easy, doesn't require a ton of orep work and can easily be reapplied as needed. Do uou orefer a specific product?
That chemist doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about…he was surprised you had to shake the bottle and was amazed that his stuff wasn’t in suspension either…
Your conclusion is disappointing, would have been good to spend more time on outcome, you glossed over who clear winner was.
Car care industry is heading into shark jump territory.
We might already be there.
I know this is a 1.5+-year-old video and many things have changed in that time (or has it?) Can you possibly do an update on Graphene coatings today in 2022? THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! Great information! Subscribed and Notified for all new ones!
the guy on the white shirt has a lot of misunderstanding about graphene !!
This is one of the best videos on the internet when it comes to facts, knowledge, and just common sense when it comes to Graphene. I could listen to Jim explain things all day long
Our industry needs more of this level of education. We as pros are not immune to the marketing buzz words (in fact, most of us probably use them, i.e. "hand wash" etc.) Thanks CAP for this video! I'm always looking for the best for my customers and feel that I stick my neck out hoping these products live up to the claims. At the end of the day, I'm the one that the customer will hold responsible. Thanks again.
Nice to know there are companies out there that still strives to do the best work possible and cares about their customers. Where are u located bro. I'm an Birds fan so you must be Philly/ South Jersey
The graphene looked better to me
The guy talking about graphene is so full of it.
You can't accurately measure the surface temperature of the hood with a infrared thermometer without knowing the emissivity of the coating. The one used in the video isn't adjustable either. Best to use a thermocouple fastened to the bottom of the hood below each coating. It's unlikely that there'd be a measurable difference however given that they're both on the same metallic substrate. The middle of the hood itself would transmit heat between the hotter side and the cooler side. I better test would be to use to separate hoods (1 per treatment).
Good video Jason, but i really do think you need to try Artdeshine Graphene Coating, very viscous and a very good coating indeed
I'm all Graphene Coating in the United States currently is coming from the same manufacturer and has been relabeled
Well not sure what happened in your test. My wife drives a black dodge charger had been doing ceramic coating. Had water spot problems but with the ceramic but since i switched to graphene her car doesn't seem as hot and water spotting has been night and day. So idk what happened maybe you got a bad batch from ethos. I used adams graphene coating so idk if they are that much different.
Hi, im andy and really loved the video, i have done many tests on differnet coatings for the past 5 years, the coating that has held the most is NASIOL ZR53 and NL272, im not biased or anything, i truly have nothing to do with the brand but you need to try them, shall be impressed.
Absolutely love it, thank you for taking the time to put together such a comprehensive review! I learned a ton and I think you had the right guys for the discussion.
The graphene can be stronger than steel and kevlar and still not be bulletproof. A single atom layer of steel or kevlar is not bulletproof either. You need a good thickness of those materials that are millions and millions of atoms thick.
Everything about graphene is dependent on you having it in one big sheet . Not a little pieces.
The science guy in the middle of the video was blowing this guys mind. No you cant fucking shoot your cars paint. A molecule thickness of steel doesnt stop a bullet. However 1/4" of steel can but your not putting 1/4" of graphite on your car!
As a newer detailer I appreciate the testing and the content on your channel... saves my business a ton of time and money. Money I'll probably spend at one of your classes/courses.
And here we see a clear contrast between an honest, educated person who cares about the industry and a snake oil salesman/bullshitter.
I have come to the conclusion that I should apply blue tape to my vehicle in order to protect it. Lol Awesome video, you really do have an analytical mindset when it comes to evaluating products and I appreciate the time you took to talk to experts from the world of coatings.
The “200 times stronger than steel” quote is misleading for people that aren’t lab scientists.
An atom-thick layer of grapheme is 200 times strong as an atom-thick layer of steel. A sheet that is 200 atom-thick layers of steel is still thinner than a sheet of gold leaf. You can bend, tear, and poke through that with your bare hands.
I’m a student taking biomedicine and I love this. I would love to chat with tim about the chemistry of this. If Jim sees this, can he answer some of my questions on the chemistry of this?
So with a polysilizane for traditional theromosetting, the aging process after it starts to adhere is due to ammonia reacting, creating R3si-NH2 (R being something that IDK because I’m not too sure on what can form the best adhesion). Is that what is used in ceramics as well? Because I would assume it would require ammonia in it which isn’t that present the smell of some ceramics. Is inorganic silizane ( H2Si-NH) a useful compound? I hypothesize this is not a strong enough compound because upon contact with water, the water will try to stick to the h2SI due to cohesion (the oxygen atom being attracted to the negatively charged SI, but also the H).
I’d really like to speak to Jim and get to know different properties of chemical compounds with different structures, differing functional groups and the effects in a compound in the real world. For now I’m just learning the basics, but I sure would love to learn about it. I think it’s really cool
Damn bro you are invested lol
Impressive nonetheless.
I personally think the guy at 23:00 is talking BS in some of what he says.
Based on what I see from his methods of developing products, I know I don't want to use his Beasley's stuff.
Thing is dr B’s chemist was only talking about adding pure graphene into coatings. When ask what a oxide is he did not really get into it. We know graphene oxides are used in these coatings .. wonder if that would change things for Dr B’s if he went that route?
He didn’t get into it because he probably doesn’t know how to reduce the graphene into an oxide to add to the solution. Studied it for 6 years and he only did very few tests on it? It would have been more informative to ask a research student in a chem lab that’s studying graphene and it’s oxides. He also said he’s been trying to get the one atom thick coating that is something that would extremely difficult to do by hand.
I'm with you on this. Everyone thinks this dude was incredibly knowledgeable but Im sitting here thinking... Im not a chemist and I know that they arent putting Graphene powder into the coating. It's Reduced Graphene Oxide. I didn't see everyone freak out and discredit CarPro when they came out with a TiO2 (titanium oxide) coating.
The guy in the white shirt has NO clue about Graphene he’s a Ceramic Coating spokes person .
Helps if you apply a product correctly, Ethos clearly says to wait an hour to apply a second coat. "When layering one hour minimum is required between coats.". This invalidates your tests in my view.
You are correct. I did that wrong, but there is still one layer of coating and Tim states that a second layer is optional.
Honestly, any coating you dont IR cure between coats you arent building up any extra layers
good job explaining the difference and doing the test.
I have been waiting for someone to explain graphene coating for some time, much appreciated guys great video
Adam's UV Graphene Ceramic Coating is a clear, nanocrystalline coating that protects your vehicle from weather, chemicals, and UV rays while repelling water, dirt and other contaminants. Providing 9H hardness, 7+ years of protection even in the harshest conditions.
After hearing this, I'm sold on ceramic. No reason that I can identify to buy graphene.
CSL + EXO is where it's at. I think of CSL great for durability with EXO boosting the water behavior.
Am I the only one the LOVES polishing a car on a Sunday? Its therapeutic. Not having that job on a Sunday with a beer because something claims it protects for 3 plus years is kinda like giving a robotic lawn mower to someone that loves gardening. It takes the sport out of car care and makes us lazy.
I like that the wait time or cure time for gradine is much quicker. I don’t have time to wait for a week for a product to cure before it gets wet
Very nice. Watching you from Goiania city, Brazil.
Would be nice to see Adam’s graphene coating tested. I used it on my cars recently and love it but the time will show more. Also I used avalonking ceramic coating on my tv, monitors etc, great results. Now I will compare these two side by side on my spare car door.
I tried Crystal Serum Light and Avalonking Armor Shield both, and the durability from Armor Shield seems better to me. The car with Crystal Serum Light on it is starting to slowly fade, but not the Armor Shield IX car. Let me know your results
Avalonking has a great reputation and so far my coated tv, monitors and few other items look amazing after 2 months so far. I will have to test it on car paint next to Adam’s graphene coating as I mentioned before, long term.
been 2 years now and whats ur opinion on graphene coating long term?
@@virtusgtmt The graphene coating seems stronger on our half license plate cover compared to the other half with ceramic coating. Its a real life test, also on one of my cars being outside all year round: There are water spots still, little hard to remove. Overall I’m happier than waxing the cars. Paint still needs protection and care no matter what coating we use, no magic bullet;)
Buy some graphite lock lubricant in a hardware store. Spread the powder on a clean glass surface. Use another piece of glass or razor blade to really force it on. See if it’s hydrophobic compared to untreated glass.
After watching this review:
Gtechniq Upper Management: Jumping for joy and dancing on tables.
Tim Coats & the Ethos Team: Breaks out in a cold sweat of anxiety/despair while quickly deleting all Graphene Coating buzz words/claims online.
this guy doesnt even sound like he knows what he is talking about!
Right! He’s more of a technician than a scientist. Oh well, this is YT...
the real mvp is that painters tape
I smell snake oil from the graphene product reseller
Great video. Thanks you Jason for putting this together.
This was phenomenal. Wish I still lived in Chicago to have you work on my vehicles.
Would the exo topper on the Crystal help it last longer since that is part of it or no?
Would be nice to see a comparison of the Ethos Graphene Coating and the Adams Polishes Graphene Coating.
I would also add Artdeshine (SPS) Graphene Nano
Tim: Don’t compare Graphene to Ceramic.
(Proceeds to explain Graphene by comparing it to Ceramic)
He doesn’t want anyone to find out the truth because he is fully vested in Graphene’s success. Tim is doing “damage control” and it comes across as desperation and covering up.
Steve does a great job explaining what Tim doesn’t want anyone to hear. Steve also knows the facts and has many years studying and experimenting. Steve knows they want Graphene to be better and it has the potential of being better, but scientists have not figured it out yet.
In my opinion, based on the limited understanding of the formulation and compounds, the Graphene additive is going to decrease the sheen and increase friction by nature. However, it may make the coating stronger. So, if I were Tim, I’d try to find the silver lining and prove that as fact through testing.
I work for Artdeshine who manufacture SPS Graphene and Artdeshine Nano Graphene Coating. Many levels of this are true, but there are many generalisations as well and it isn't fair to speak of the entire industry when we are looking a a few manufacturers. 100% graphene is a buzz word and is being used by companies to generate hype around their new products and some of these products offer minimal benefits over traditional SIO2 coatings, but it's not fair to the rest of the industry who actually have good products with graphene that DO provide real benefits to customers. If people want to talk chemistry that's great and offers a level of insight, but EVERYONE remember the best test you'll ever see is side by side testing of coatings, and from that we've deduced that our coating outperforms major brand ceramic coatings. So take everything you see with a grain of salt, just because on chemist or a few groups don't know how to work with graphene doesn't mean the entire sector are in the same ball game.
Boom! I agree.
Just finished in mid September applying Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light and topped it with C2v3 not EXO . I know living in Toronto Canada that this is at best a 2 year real world coating . I will be maintaining the coating with toppers and proper washing techniques but at the 2 year mark , September 2022 i will have to decide between ARTDESHINE METAL OXIDE , ADAMS GRAPHENE COATING, OR OWNERS PRIDE CERAMIC COATING.
Before, Graphene, it was Ceramic, before Ceramic, it was Quartz/Glass/Silica. They ALL still utilise Silicon Dioxide(SiO2) as the main active ingredient and SiO2 still trumps Silicon Carbide (SiC) coatings. Sorry folks, there is no new tech. SiO2 coatings has been around since 10 years ago and is still the main coating ingredient of choice. In the end, it's just marketing. Ceramic sounds newer and better than glass coating, it's the in thing now. Graphene! Wow even better! Sadly, as detailers, we just gotta go with the trend and market appetite.
Agreed. A lot of it is indeed just marketing re-tooling their sales pitch and pushing more Buzz words to get more sales. But still gotta give credit that real coatings is a nice and durable form of paint protection for the automotive industry. I mostly grew up using carnauba and sealants, and I still love them. Graphene is just the next buzz word now lol
Love the phone call, not kiss ass at all, straight to the point, top marks.
Very informative video. The world has become so commercial. Everyone is scamming everyone. The power of money, man! It corrupts almost everyone.
1:00:57 "I threw every single chemical that we have in the shop at it". Sooo you don't have any brake fluid sitting around?
Tim Coats sounds like the kind of guy that doesn't want to know the details of the chemistry from his suppliers, so he doesn't have to outright lie to people when it doesn't do anything different. Based on the two of them talking about their products, I trust Jim Lafeber way more. It also looked like his product underperformed the Gtehcniq slightly.
Either way, great video. Appreciate the work you put into this, it's the kind of approach I would take if I was in your shoes.
I wish every mechanic, store, shit I buy, other services, doctors, etc was as honest, transparent, thorough, curious and as detailed as this guy. What an amazing video
I really appreciated this video but im really wondering where the industry stands today 3 years later. Plenty of time has now passed to really see how graphene products are holding up. Any new opinions on the subject?
Thanks for the video. It very clearly demonstrated that overall there is little difference between graphene and ceramic coatings. And the little difference there is, seems to be in favor of ceramic. But the most important metric is the price to performance ratio. And Gtehcniq Crystal Serum Light beat out Ethos Graphene with ease.
I'm impressed at the honesty with this RUclips presentation (y) Very good indeed (y)
Hey Bud! As a professional looking into these products, I cannot stress the gratitude to you for doing this video!
Thanks !!
You’re welcome!
Nice I'm looking ur actual work I'm Eddie tabz from philippenes liking ur actual vedeo ceramic coat
If I've learned anything from this video, it's that the best protection for your vehicles bodywork is purple tape.
I’ve got a question I would love to hear your answer guys, after a ceramic coating how long is the recommended time to get another polish on the car? Like how long do I have to wait to get my car polished again
Thanks for a great video, I particularly liked Jim from Dr Beazley, he was honest, coherent and owned up to his own limitations; yes he could have been clearer on the strength of graphene vs steel but why exactly do you need something that is stronger than steel, wear resistance, corrosion resistance or something else? I got very nervous when you started with the Hydrochloric acid, bare arms and shorts for heavens sake! Spraying all sorts of chemicals with no mask on surely can't be the best thing for your health.
Graphene is a particular structure of pure carbon. The coating guy then talked about graphene oxide - a completely different animal! He mixes this information with "single atom thickness" - while graphene oxides are all 3-dimensional: clearly NOT single atom thickness. The "Dr" then wiped over this question as "all kinds of different forms of graphene" and bypasses the question.
He doesn't correct your perception of graphene versus steel: ONE MOLECULE THICKNESS of graphene is "200 times stronger" than ONE MOLECULE LAYER of steel (which isn't possible because steel is a crystalline structure). So thickness for thickness his claim may be true, but the thinnest possible layer of steel is maybe one micron or so, which is very fragile and flexible. I can't even imagine you could get graphene to go on that thick. It would be black for a start.....
You have scratched the surface with great questions, but got crappy answers from salesmen rather than chemists. That makes me think this is "snakeoil" after all.....
He said that the Kevlar reference wasn't put there to mislead. But that's precisely the reason it was used, to plant that seed.
What a great informative video. Great content, thanks for doing this 👍
As a car guy I want to thank you for the videos that you make. My detail game, which didn't exist until I started watching your channel and Pan the Organizer, will never be the same. As a chemist, I have a couple issues with your episode. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned these yet (forgive me, but I didn't read all 250 comments); however, to measure the temperature resistance of the coating you would need to measure the temperature from the bottom of the hood. Preliminarily, I would suggest that the higher temperature of the graphene side is actually encouraging. It's tells you that there is more energy being repelled on the graphene side than on the ceramic side. This should occur whether the uninterrupted layer is intact or not because the conductive properties are inherit to the particle (as far as I've read anyway) if connected to another particle or not. In other words, it should offer the heat displacement as long as the suspended particles are present, random or latticed. Secondly, when you were using chemicals at the end you used Hydrochloric Acid, not Hydrofluoric Acid... Or you would be dead... For reference look up the SDS on Hydrofluoric Acid. It's really nasty stuff. I helped stabilize a coworker who had concentrated HF splashed on her neck. I'll spare you the details, but even now I can remember the scene as if it just happened. So, HCl, not HF. Otherwise, keep up the good work!
Yeah, HF is really nasty. And I still can't find any chemical resistant sprayer able to withstand it.
@@arapaimagold8088 honestly, you're better off not using it unless absolutely need to. What are you using HF for?
@@arapaimagold8088 I'm sure there's an alternative... That is unless you're doing compliance radiochemistry like my coworker was. 😉
Mostly for cleaning mineral crust around door jamb and emblems. The minerals in my country is nasty. There's no single deposit remover made for car detailing able to cut through it. And I already tried most of it, from Optimum HDR to Modesta M5 Flame. Anyone who use it should be a higly trained professional, and remember not even nitrile gloves able to withstand it.
@@arapaimagold8088 let me think about it a little and reply once I come up with an idea. Using HF for car detailing seems... Well... Just not worth it. That being said, there has to be a solution (pun intended 😁) to this problem. One that doesn't require you to handle an acid that eats the calcium from your bones when soaked in through your skin. Okay, so what minerals and metals are giving you problems. The more exact you are the better. Also, how do you keep it from eating the aluminum and/or whatever other metal it's being sprayed on? How are you neutralizing it?
Winner, the blue tape, through thick and thin, power washer, it wasn’t removed?
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Interesting video.
Btw, Graphene is going to be massive in battery technology. Lighter, lower temps and twice the capacity for the same size battery
👆 This! 👆
Just its ability to disperse heat alone is incredibly promising. Not only a lighter more powerful battery, but a safer and more durable battery that can be pushed much harder with a much longer life cycle and greatly reduced charge times.
It has the potential to finally bridge that practical performance gap that still exists between gas and electric and corded and cordless tools.
Meh I’ve had many graphene lithium polymer batteries…nothing to write home about.
Please do more comparisons helps out a lot of what to get or what to expect
How about swirl prevention when improper washing and such.
This is the big question I have as well hopefully can get some input.
Love the scientific and hands on approach.
Rock star dude! One of the best You Tube videos I’ve seen on ANYTHING! You really dig in to the tech. Thanks a million - or at least for the cost of my paint job. Cheers
if you just have a jumble of graphene molecules thats basically graphite right? Although graphite is stacked sheets of graphene. Maybe having a riprap of single-molecule-thick sheets has some additional effect..
Too much BS talk in here
I need an ice bath after all that hot air
Brake cleaner wouldve stripped both sides easily or any proper acid thats used for example to wash heavy trucks.
all I learned in this video is that it takes a few hours to wash polish and coat your car but only a rainy day and some dried raindrops to flush all your hard work down the drain xD
Rain allowed to "dry" destroys ceramic / graphene coating?
Would love to see a tar, tree sap and bird poop test. I feel like that is the issue that most consumers will see day to day.
Bat poo