Final Cut Pro 2 on M4 iPad Pro: what you need to know
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Exceptional hardware, great battery life, incredible screen, so thin and so light, but the M4 iPad Pro, just like every iPad, comes with some software limitations. Apple is on a mission to prove that the iPad can be used for professional work. That includes releasing its own professional apps like Final Cut Pro for iPad, Logic Pro for iPad. This year, Apple is updating both, but is also releasing a brand new standalone video-only app called Final Cut Camera. #Apple #Technology
00:00 Intro
00:56 Hardware (M4 iPad Pro vs. M2 iPad Pro)
01:47 Final Cut Camera
02:20 Final Cut Camera demo
03:28 FCP External storage (importing files, FCP Library, file management)
05:41 What’s new?
06:28 What’s missing?
07:49 Why I love editing on the iPad Pro
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Which features do you desperately want on the iPad version of Final Cut Pro?
Speedramping or it’s a no-go 😟
« Detach audio » function.
Can you add markers by pushing M? lol
Android.
Speed ramping, custom LUT import, stabilisation are core for me and I could edit 99% of my work on iPad alone.
Beyond those core needs,nice to haves would be compound clips, detach audio.
It would also help them slowly move to feature parity with the desktop if they added new features to both. For example the new Smooth Slow-Mo on the desktop version. Why not add it to the iPad version at the same time? Now there is even more separation between the two apps functionality!
Of course enabling the third party plugins that they teased about on the original launch would really open up the abilities of the app and put it properly into the pro space. Especially as things like stabilisation, custom LUTS and speed ramping could essentially be done by third parties.
One day to be able to go between projects on iPad and desktop is the Holy Grail, but I understand they’d need to get pretty close to feature parity before then.
I just picked up an ipad as my first apple device and it boggles my mind how they're pushing something like a full on video editor but just the flipping files app is an attrocity
That really sums up the problem with the iPad. Technically capable of so much great things, but with seemingly arbitrary limitations.
@@ruffmadman something something compete with macbook, they could easily turn ipad into like surface laptop but it will compete with their laptop segment
@@rocketman-766even if they make a surface like device, there’s still many things that differentiate the Macbook from the iPad. Better battery life, better performance, bigger screens, stable positioning on the lap, built in keyboard(Which also makes it cheaper than a Tablet which would need a keyboard bought separately), more ports and better cooling. They’d make more money selling iPads that need keyboards than they would selling a regular MacBook Air anyway
I wish you could also do a comparison/review with other iPad editing apps like Davinci Resolve and Lumafusion!
I might! I've been using DaVinci and loving it. The approach is wildly different.
I second this 🤘
for color work or...? The Edit page is infuriating, it doesn't even have zoom
Yes would definitely be an interesting episode.
Apple's idea of 'pro' users are people who own an external drive and want to pay $50/year, and no further thought given to them.
By the way, can someone explain to me why Final Cut and Logic are subscription based? They don't host content from creators (like musical artists, film studios, news outlets). What is the subscription supporting? The newest ipads cost more than macbooks, why is it not included?
Great video by the way, and thanks for pointing out the terrible file system.
Good comment, to the point 😊
All I heard were a bunch of excuses as to why the iPad can't do basic things.
Please do a comparison of Lumafusion vs FCP vs CapCut. I've been using Luma for the last 3 years. Honestly I love the design of FCP for iPad, but I hate how lacking it is compared to Luma. Also I want to learn what the hype is about with Capcut. Can you do a tutorial on advanced color grading with iPad's FCP?
i could watch those beautiful shots of the ipad all day. so good
Does this mean that Apple basically still hasn’t added external drive support? I mean, what’s the point of external drive support if we’re expected to finish editing an entire video before disconnecting the drive and breaking all the file links?
So, there is NO way to link it. Your FCP Library file, which contains all your media, needs to be in one place. Which, yes can be an external drive.
Another thing i didn't even mention is that you can't right click -> snow package contents to see which files are even in there 🙃
Oooooh, so basically it seems like they’re saying all your footage for any given project is either all on device or all on your external drive? You can’t mix them and they’re always duplicated?
@@snoozeshutterfrom what I’m seeing that is the case. Where ever you set your library the clips need to be all in the same place or it will create copies. But I do believe your entire library can be on the external drive but you will need to keep it plugged in. I think that’s what he is saying.
So FCP for iPad 2 is still bad…my 2 requests are editing off external drives without caveats and round trip capability with FCP for Mac. None of this is fulfilled.
I don’t really care anyways, I am sticking with my Mac for real work
Negligible to no file management and yet somehow this a PROFESSIONAL grade application...
More like First Cut Pro, amirite?
Yep. Apple still refuses to do the ONE thing that'd make the iPad Pro, PRO; and that is file management.
They of course don't on purpose. You're supposed to buy a separate MacBook for that.
God I look forward to when Tim's replacement comes and Apple is one again run by technology people instead of greedy bean counters.
iMovie with a skin
Initial Cut Pro 😂
This is great. Would love to see one of these but for Logic Pro on the M4 iPad Pro.
We did some social videos for Logic! It's really fun and I kinda want to start using it more. I never did before, but it comes with many tutorials too
2:16 getting the ergonomics well done was key. Why Tim Apple why?
I just downloaded FCP for iPad a few days ago and was waiting for the update because of the external drive support. I’m not sure if I missed something but I was able to work off my ssd before this update. What’s the difference ?
The Pro label mostly makes sense for artists. All other professionals are better off with other devices.
The artists love this device and I hope apps keep improving [at a faster pace].
The file management is horrible on iPad OS. Lovely for drawing or if you need to use a stylus, though.
Artists would be far better off buying a cintiq.
@@TheVergemaybe hobbyists. Not professionals.
Great Video!
Much appreciated! :)
Great Video appreciate how you explained what you use it for too.Thanks for sharing.💯✌️
anytime! ty for watching 🙏
Great job
Greeat looking video.
That Muska deck is 🔥
Thanks for sharing your thoughts I enjoyed this walk through. I’ll stick with the Mac for now…
So Apple has finally completed the transformation of Final Cut, from a Pro to consumer/amateur app.
Will Final Cut Pro go into full screen on an external display now? Version 1.3. would only run as an iPad sized window making big screens not super useful…
Good question, i haven't tried it yet, but I'm 97% sure it won't! I'll check for you!
Thanks for the great review. This is a good FCP update - but not a great one. Apple could really do itself a favor by stepping up to the plate and delivering a more fleshed out touch first experience.
hmmmmmmm with the new video app, i might make a workflow to use this
would be great to see other creative apps demoed, particularly nomad sculpt and procreate dreams
I wish the multicam stuff supported external cameras connected to the iPhone/iPads with HDMI to USB-C adapters.
agree! i do think this app in particular is an extension to your iphone. candidly, it seems like Apple really wants you to use an iPhone for everything here.
Been using iPad Pro (my only device) with iMovie for 8 years now running a RUclips channel. Its so much easier than laptops. Don’t try to move your current work flow. Make a new simpler one with iPad and it works so well ❤️😊
I could listen to vjeran for 200 hours
🥺
Do the devices need to be on the same Wi-Fi network. Or is this using some direct wireless connection between the iPad and the other devices?
Thanks for your honesty view as always ! Most important question for me is where is your top from … I want one !!! Love the colours
Hah! Marine Layer (no affiliation, not sponsored etc.) 😁
Can some do a test on da Vinci resolve too please?
I agree with all your comments. What Final Cut Pro for iPad does, it does very well. The UI is excellent and processing is efficient. However, the feature set is incomplete. Missing is the ability to use third party LUT for log processing and effects that optimize for stabilization and video noise/sharpness. Color correction and grading is done with sliders which reduces to a lot of trial and error. The philosophy seems to be that these functions are best done in camera; nice sentiment but not completely pragmatic. For time being will pass on subscription until feature set is further along (if it ever gets there).
Thanks! one of the very first clips i imported for this review was filmed with DJI's Mavic Air 3... but the LUT was missing 😭
To make file structure more usable without duplicating everything, iPad OS really needs to have some huge changes, while being at that, that could also mean the same change on ios, I don't think apple ever wants that... Apple simply doesn't want any third party app accessing any file out side their little sandbox.
correct. I'm fully aware that some of these changes we might not see in a long time...or ever.
I've made peace with Apple's philosophy on the iPad. There are certain workflows that I can only accomplish on my Mac, and there are certain workflows that I can only accomplish on my iPad, with the Apple Pencil. Continuity and iCloud often bridges the divide between these two devices beautifully.
Once I changed my mindset, my frustration melted away. It's not meant to be a replacement for a Mac, and it will never be, so the sooner you accept this, the happier you'll be.
Damn man, this video is 10x more beautiful than the app deserves…
i try 💅
thank you for you nice comment! 🙏
What do you think of the 11 inch iPad in order to cut? Is it too small?
good video but i miss the old The Verge! the latest videos in the feed is just hour long podcasts and that's sad
I still like Black Magic camera app better but Final Cut camera looks more like stock camera app with pro features.
Still no adjustment layers 😭
Can you do one video but about Logic in iPad?
I'm not the best person to talk about Logic, but our audio producer Andru did some shorter videos on our socials!
thank you for the video, is it possible to import from an SD card part of a clip, like you can on FCPX, thank you
nope. i haven't seen that option either. In fact, you can't preview files ahead of importing them.
everytime i search for finalcut pro for ipad, all you guys talk about is the multicam. i want to know how to edit movies on the ipad first. can you guys do that?
I feel like I should've focused on Multicam even more than I did. Majority of the review is about how serious of an editing software this is. Also feel free to watch my initial review from a year ago, most of the app is unchanged since then.
Can you set default scaling? (Like when working with 4:3 footage on a 16:9 timeline and you don’t want to manually set scaling for every single clip?
And can you add a lut to all the clips at once? Or same issue again where you have to set for each clip individually?
hi! so you can't set default scaling. Default scaling is set to "scale to fit". You'd have to insert clip, move to Transform panel and tap on scale to fill.
I know you have tried. But I have also tried with so many softwares that I now regret purchasing because I could never use them after the first few hours. I just use my laptops
M4 missing on AV1 encoding is a huge mistake.
I am really fine with the limitations, but Apple should really get the external drive support right and add round trip capability. If they don’t do these 2, I’m not reactivating my subscription
I really wish I could simply dual-boot on an iPad into MacOS. And why not? It's got the full capabilities now. There's plenty of great examples where it really is configured for that mode of usage. Keyboard/Trackpad, plugging in an external screen, HDD.
And other times, I just like the appliance simplicity of iPadOS, touch only, living in the moment.
Dual boot!
Is your Lav Mic clip broken ir just doing the awkward mic handling thing?
I'm just doing the awkward mic holding thing cause it's socially acceptable now 😃
@@TheVergeYeah…just because it’s “socially acceptable” doesn’t make it any less douchebag-y
I think luma fusion approach to touch is way better then apple at least on the editing
The iPad is such a cool device that I love to talk about but hate to actually use. Everything on there just takes 10x longer than it would on an actual computer
it really does require 10x more patience for everything.
Sounds like Apple needs a cloud based FCP ecosystem with feature parity that allows collaboration and cross platform workflow
i wouldn’t be opposed, but i don’t think we’re quite there yet with infrastructure.
Final Cut Pro for iPad 2 is a misleading statement and title. iPad 2 is long into history. Try Final Cut Pro 2 for iPad.
Gpu faster than m2 4x? Hardver 8k better m2 3x?
Do we get Bézier curves to interpolate keyframes yet?
We do not... Still very much just linear keyframes as last year. I could've linked to my last review. The core app is basically unchanged and that's not a great sign... 😞
Summary - iPad is technically more capable, but still an iPad
They should increase price of ipad for more profits. Then it will feel more premium and people will buy more. Maybe 3000$ for base model without accessories like vision pro.
Lumafusion is surprisingly more robust. Hope Apple catches up to it.
Yeah they had external drive editing implemented back in November, and it’s single purchases too (for the app and any add-ons) it’s just more mature.
They had external drive editing a couple YEARS ago I’m pretty sure
@@yellowhouse88 Possibly. It was only implemented for iPhone 15 Pro in November.
is it backwards compatible now with FCPX on the desktop?
Just like last year, you send iPad project to Mac, but not the other way around. 🙃
If you buy Final Cut Pro on an iPad, does it also comes with the Mac version?
two separate apps. desktop version is one time fee ($300) and this one is a subscription ($5 a month or $50 a year)
I swear if I have just listened to the Audio of this one, I would have imagined it’s Nilay Patel.
I'll take that as a compliment 😃
Have you tried Luma Fusion? What do you think about it compared to FCP?
i have, but admittedly its been a while since I gave it a proper test. it was the best and only proper video app before M-chip iPads
whats the price going to be? Does divinci resolve handle external drives well?
DaVinci works with external drive and keeps them on a separate volume
FCP is subscription ($5 a month or $50 a year). DaVinci is one time fee ($95).
@@TheVerge thanks. I picked up the M4 iPad on launch. I'm not an Apple guy but recently made the switch from Android. I love it. The fewer features, the better (I can install a Linux distro on just about anything to get that custom experience). For me, I just want something that works without all the bells and whistles, and I think Apple achieves that. I don't think you're meant to multitask on this thing. People complaining about not being able to listen to music while editing on the iPad, etc. ... like, bro, you have a stack of iPhones; use that for the music. I really get why Apple is dogmatically sticking to this strategy. I noticed a few bugs in Freeform and some other jank, which I hope they address, but so far, so good. I love Procreate and Korg Gadget. Koala Sampler is something else, too. The only thing is, I probably wouldn't have gotten the M4 Pro if the Air had a 120Hz display. For drawing, you really feel the difference, and if you are going to have this thing for a long time, you might as well get the good version.
Did you do this video on the iPad app or the desktop 10.8?
Premiere Pro 😂
Apple Pencil Snorricam goes crazy.
also, i had heard once that if you connect an SSD to an ipad it can brick it. is that true?
hmmm i haven’t had that issue ever?
How hot does the new iPad get when working in Final Cut?
Not hot at all, battery life has also been stellar on the M4.
My M1 ipad pro kind of lags and glitches up when running final cut which is crazy because my friends og M1 macbook pro runs full Mac version with ease 😭
You could set up your preview window to be lower resolution. I’m also rendering my time constantly.
And still no « detach audio » function ! How can that be ? Am I missing something ? If yes, please tell me how to do this, I’ve been searching all over the web.
yeah, you'll need to export that as an audio only file and import it back 🥲
Just checked again, don't see it anywhere. Just hiding/disabling is possible.
let me get that muska board lol
iykyk 📻
Very thorough and honest analysis. Though I don’t know how to interpret information from someone who calls the keynote an “infomercial”. This is groundbreaking technology with demonstrations. Not a shamwow…
It's all fun and games 😌
❤❤❤
Ipad pro needs MAC SOFTWARE with touch, with real programs not apps
Apps is just another word for a program. We call them apps on a Mac these days as well. iPadOS needs a few things to make it more usable though, one of them is a proper file structure like Finder on macOS. It’s really the big missing this… files is just not as good, and doesn’t speak well and intuitively with every other program. Dragging a file from files straight into an app is sometimes impossible or difficult due to how it works fundamentally.
Agreed
summary for professionals: use macOS
It’s so frustrating. Apple needs a ground-up redesign of iPadOS to make it work - but if they do they will eat into their more lucrative MacBook sales and so they refuse.
DaVinci would be great if it didn’t crash every time
True. I'm having more performance issues with DaVinci
CAN WE ADD LUTS
?!?!?
No, sir! LUTs are still just built into the app, no custom LUTs.
Did they improve the files app yet? Nope.
Apple is charging a subscription for this app but feels like they're really not working on much
I think this update says a lot about what the ambitions are. I’m surprised so many things were left unchanged from last year…
Meanwhile Davinci Resolve is basically the same on iPad and Mac.
Oh no, it's that "we're gonna take all the features away so it's barely considered bare bones and you're gonna like it" effect
😭
Unless you're live streaming and need to cut back and forth between angles in real time, I don't understand why anybody would want to use that "Apple Camera."
I hope this becomes a feature soon. There's still value to it. I bet folks will find lots of use for it for stuff like music recordings, events, podcasts...
lol how many years have they been promoting this as a “professional” device when it lacks major basic features of Macs, and shares the same OS with the base level iPads?????
Why not mention about M1 ? is out of date?
i’ve only had access to M2 and M4 😣😔
CAN WE COLOR GRADE?!?!?
I was able to get some really nice grades going. However, tools you're given are really limited - WB & tint control for highs, mids and lows. (and of course exposure settings) That's about it. No curves, wheels or color boards etc.
There are presets they have added and those are actually pretty good. I was very happy with how some of those turned out.
@@TheVergeNO LUTS THO?!?!
wake me up when davinci is running on ipad
DaVinci on the iPad is surprisngly very good!
so TL:DR, it's really just iMovie Pro.
If you buy a basic Shure handheld mic you’ll look less ridiculous. Or you could get someone to show you how to properly mount a lav.
He’s saying M2 but he’s using a M4 iPad Pro
Both. Mostly kept using the M4
It's not Final Cut and it's not Pro. Bad Marketing for what is a typical mobile app not a desktop Pro app.
This is a damning review. Final Cut "Pro" - what a joke.
iCannotKillMacbookPadYetCuzMoneyGud Pro
Good review, but this guy makes me fall asleep. Where is Becca?
She's asleep
I look forward the Vjeran’s videos just as much as Becca’s! I appreciate his insight into the video side of things, as well as drone stuff. He has a soothing yet exciting cadence, and he keeps his videos so tight. I actually wish they were longer!
Ha 4 minutes into the video and then you say there is no way to manage folders and no way to link to files from external ssd/hdd ?
That is just so bad of you Verge.
Your very first line should have been : Final cut pro for iPad remains nasty.🤢🤮
iPad pro's are great for youtubes slaves
Pointless
People who hold lapel microphones like handhelds 🤢
This host needs to articulate better.
I didn’t have any issue understanding with their articulation? You can also try subtitles!
I don’t think it was a problem at all. No subtitles needed!
I understood every word. Super articulation.
@@shawnneiseni think the commenter meant communicating the points across more coherently, not about enunciating them. enunciating is for hearing them clearly. articulating is for explaining things clearly… like in a concisely and organised manner.
since i am not the original commenter i cannot elaborate on what they meant, just that articulation tends to be confused with enunciating.
I'm trying 🥲