So it's a "mistake" when the leader does it but grounds for expulsion when a student does it? That position is untenable and would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
It’s worse when you realize she WAS a student when she did it, if they were in her Thesis papers. So that excuse doesn’t even work with the logic, and literally falls on its face with the slights bit of thought
Why don’t you check all the leaders and see who has not plagiarized when AI is used to check their thesis they wrote in the 1990s. Who would had thought that randomly picking “superstar” Dr. Oxman would yield plagiarism from Wikipedia?
@@notnabsargo ahead and report those leaders too. She committed plagiarism, no doubt about it, and the liberal media’s cover up and race card can ONLY further alienate those in the middle of political spectrum.
Boy do I love MSNBC .....maybe this was a leadup to the MLK Day festivities ....but don't think they should have used this woman's testimony before Congress , and the resulting backlash , as a point to make about people dismissing the intelligence of black folks . It wasn't smart ...can't be twisted to sound smart
She plagiarized 50 times, she said it 'depended on context' calls to genocide the jews (one would assume it would not be depended upon context if someone called for the genocide of african-americans) She had written what, 15 papers but published no books - that doesn't account for much in academia. Under her 'stewardship' Harvard lost it's biggest sponsors/donators, Harvard has suffered massively reputationally and you've had company's say outright that they won't hire Harvard graduates. But no, it's because of the colour of her skin.
This was the cover up for the reality which is that she was on the most recent Epstein list. This has zero to do with racism and I know because I’ve researched every other name that dropped and they’ve all stepped down too
Not only does this augment discredit real black intelligence but everyone's intelligence. Allowing someone to get away with plagiarism and propping them up undermines those people (of all races) who worked hard to get somewhere.
'Publish or Perish' has been the standard in academics forever. She had just 11 publications!!, an insufficient number for one to even be a professor at Harvard, let alone the President. Forget the plagiarism. The bar was lowered for her to be the President. And in the end, she wasnt up to the job. She handled the Congressional hearing poorly and the crisis on campus poorly. This argument is BS
@cynthiadelva7698 of course that bigot won't comment on that. Whites are handed positions with or without experience. We've even had white white male Supreme Court appointments, with our without judicial experience, and even a football player, but we're supposed to believe that we should pluck any random white person out of any group and they're innately qualified for leadership. The jokes write themselves.
If I was informed correctly this woman still has a job at the school drawing her almost 900,000 salary just not as the president. Sounds like a win for her to me why are people complaining ? I’m sure the rest of the faculty would like to be making that much almost a million dollars? Are you kidding me? No wonder people can’t afford a college education these days. Shameful
@@MrOu83 How about having enough dignity not to throw the race card into this situation when her White colleague was forced to resign before she was. Nice try virtue signaling for her though.
@@concernedcitizen5971 Yeah, it was a hit job on all three of the women college presidents. The first to resign did so immediately after pressure to do so. The black college professor chose not to step down and was backed by the board, the faculty and the students. That's when the tried and true racist move of scavenging her background came into play. Be clear, racism is a pretty effective tool as is sexism, misogyny and homophobia. Those tools never go out of style.
@@speedracertv4934, yeah a hit job of easy to answer questions and the effed that up. None of them deserve jobs, mot the white two or the black one. Wow, communists are so stupid.
Unfortunately, this is a big problem in the African-American community. Many of them are taught that it’s not their fault and that white people are to solely blame for all their problems.
Everyone isn’t equal regardless of race and gender. So to have the same standard often requires acknowledging those differences and acting accordingly.
@@__BA__ absolutely…I advocate abolishing legacy and affirmative action admissions. Like I said…hold everyone to the same standards, regardless of race and gender.
@@EncourageSquirtpeople have looked into that but really, what’s your point? We’re talking about the president of one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world. She should be held to an incredibly high standard and when she was, she didn’t meet the bar. Plenty of qualified minorities out there, god knows why they picked this clown
@@EncourageSquirtyou are comparing a student taking the sat, to her plagiarizing her work that got her into the top postion of haravrd.... not onky that it's hersay that honestly doesn't even add upp.... yall are too far gone bro, it's sad that there are people out there like you
If she was unfairly harassed, why did she resign? To avoid being fired? Making a mistake is one thing. Doing something thousands of times is not an accident.
You are the one whose comment is nonsense. Harvard refused to fire her because of the accusations of so-called plagiarism.She was fired after donors started to threaten to pull their donations if she remained at her post.@@MAZ440
She was on the Epstein list that dropped two days ago. And all the other names have resigned as well. This shows you how msnbc spread racism and hide the truth
calling for a genocide of jews is against the rules of conduct depending on the context. If i call for the genocide of black people in Harvard Campus will it depend on context? Double standards.
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
Any undergraduate student would be in major trouble for doing what she did. a president of a university is supposed to be held to a higher standard. this decision was not based on racism, no matter how much some people might want to spin it that way. she was a bad academic and that had nothing to do with her race.
I know plagiarism is something very important, as a somewhat recent graduate student, my thesis had to go through a plagiarism checker before being accepted. So I can speak from experience that it is something vigorously looked for in academia. And if found, the person is typically in a lot of trouble.
@@Rnankn so it was her skin color and gender that made her commit plagiarism multiple times ? Was it her skin color and gender because she couldn’t say it’s wrong to call for the genocide of the Jewish people ?
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
Shouldn't they have at least one guest who makes sense? What do they all have against ethics, morals, and accountability? We need good, honest, competent leaders. Claudine should not be beyond reproach because of her immutable characteristics. What a rotten piece of social manipulation this segment was! Harvard should re-examine her doctoral thesis. Maybe they'll find enough evidence of plagiarism to pull her Ph.D., then Claudine will have to settle for work as a professional victim.
I don’t care what your race is, combating past racism with a newer updated form of racism is still racism. Keep DEI/CRT out of education and we’ll be fine.
Your fear is not going to stop black people from our achievements. Our young people are actually seeing what we have been telling them about America for themselves. Racism is on the rise, and it's not just coming from the poor whites.
somewhat agree, but there are actually a few grains of truth on both sides. dei/crt came about for a legitimate reason, and getting rid of them won't get us to some bias-free, utopian meritocracy.
You're out of touch. Glad China is on the rise so we can have actual merit based system. The West is dying due to its inability to change. Stop holding onto white supremacy
Truth: She got hired on the basis of race and she got fired on the basis of performance. I didn’t hear her complaining when she got the job because others were excluded because they didn’t meet DEI “criteria”. So the pool was very small. Which is ironic at Harvard. Being the president of Harvard requires you to have academic achievement among the best in the world, emotional intelligence, good judgement, and skill at internal and public relations. Her performance in all of these categories abysmal in a high stakes environment dealing with real world impacts and student safety. That’s why she got fired - because people held her to the standards of a president of Harvard and looked harder at her academic record. But she claims “race” for her firing. Again….she continues to fail at good judgment needed for a president.
Exeter grad, BA Stanford, PhD Harvard with distinction of presenting the TOP dissertation in her field, then tenured professor at Harvard, worked up to the head of her department, then Dean for 5 years where she directed a $51M surplus for Cultural Arts and Affairs (which had a multi-million dollar deficit prior to her helming this position)... and THEN chosen as President. How are these credentials not excellent?
@@koraanjamarwell first off she had plagiarism in her thesis if I recall correctly, so knock off the diplomas for a start and graduation stuff as she shouldn’t technically have graduated due to the plagiarism in her thesis being a super big no no. I know I had to put my own thesis through a plagiarism checker as part of the requirements for my graduation. And then 11 total papers, with 50 counts of plagiarism spread across them kind of ruins the rest of her qualifications if you ask me, it isn’t something I can overlook. Then there is the possible data manipulation and not showing her raw data to fellow peers… another big no no that should get her kicked…. Yea, while the shell of her career looks nice, the inside is just rotten at this point. And that isn’t something you can overlook here.
@@darkraiking680 That's the thing - nothing she did met the standard that Harvard set for plagiarism. Her award stands. As do all of her 3 degrees, professorship with tenure, still standing as Department Chair, and stint as Dean...
@@koraanjamar oh yeah, and there was something with the Harvard Professor Francesca Geno about 6 months ago or so, where it was found that she was doing some major data manipulation to always prove her theories right. That is two Harvard professors now shown to be academically bankrupt within the span of a year…. I genuinely wonder if there aren’t even more of them in Harvard. I’m sure if there are, it’ll be found out sometime this year given the current situation that there in. While I obviously can’t say that Harvard was responsible for Francesca Geno’s scam… it’s not a good look for Harvard, and for me has ruined what remaining credibility they had. I’d never go there even if I got a full ride… I’d be too worried about the academic dishonesty going on there.
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
Cheating to get your position should not mean that you lash back and still make $900,000 a year, it should mean that you no longer make $900,000 a year and should pay back what you cheated for. Inequality?
Wait till you read about the blk Equinox gym trainer who sued and got a $11.3 million payout because she was fired for being late close to 50 times back in 2018!. She even shamelessly admits her misconduct but gets away with $11.3M!
The problem with that ridiculous statement is that it's not why she got fired. It's as stated in the clip with solid arguments, the far-right war on diversity the main reason.
@@jay4you853 and they went after the other two and they were white so is that attacking diversity ? Are they racist because they called out the other two ?
yes, Gay's case was clearly not all racially motivated. racism quite probably was a factor, but why do people insult our intelligence with these... black and white simplifications? even a white male would have been on shaky ground after failing to unequivocally condemn calls for genocide of jews.
@@chassidyswann8951 and a serious crisis of values, i.e. not recognizing and admitting that calling for the genocide of jews (or anybody) is unacceptable.
Perhaps you should get serious at MSNBC and bring someone like John McWhorter along with these two and have a real discussion. It you want to be part of the solution then let's actually engage in a real discussion. Please end the partisan rhetoric and start to have a nuanced debate.
They wanted her gone for her embarrassingly horrible stance on violent antisemitism, and she had, years before, given them adequate ammunition by doing subpar citation on a few papers. This had nothing to do with her being black. She apologized for bigotry and found out how much good people like that type of behavior in the presidents of their universities.
Considering she was neither anti-semitic nor did she plagiarize, it was obviously their twisted political agenda. And we know because they have been bragging about it publicly.
Oh so if we just say we’re sorry for being a bigot that makes it ok ? So a person can go out commit murder then say I’m sorry and it’s all good no harm no foul ?
Pretty awkward to say that mass murder (genocide) depends on the context! In our country which has free speech in the constitution, if someone calls for murder in ANY context it is illegal. The College presidents should have reported this to the police.
@@koraanjamarto which she answered, not only poorly, but was unable to articulate any basic semblance of an answer that satisfied the lowest bar of requirements for someone in charge of that institution. That’s why she’s gone, along with the other Penn president as they should be. Two down, one to go.
@@bogdar2019 Go back to the audio - it was stated in the hearing as a hypothetical situation to each University President. Congresswoman Stefanik also said it was hypothetical in her MTP interview.
This is never about race rather she has allowed pro-hamas/antisemitic groups to protest in the campus and failed to condemn the terrorists. She should have resigned at least 1 month before.
Pro palestinian, anti-zionist groups are conflated with hamas and antisemitism, but you know that. Her only mistake was to attempt genuine responses to questions lacking context or a genuine query.
Except the proof of her being a liar and cheat... She copied entire paragraphs of other peoples work. You lose credibility when defending total frauds.
She committed the cardinal sin of academia in university life - she copied verbatim large sections of other peoples' work without paraphrasing. Period. Why is it always complicated when a black lady or man does it?
Has Melania ever apologized to Michelle for plagiarizing her entire speech? The far-right even defended her. Yet same far-right liars would have us believe they care when a Black woman does something genuine.
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
She plagiarized the intellectual property of another black woman. Are you serious?!!! This is not okay and it completely discredits black scholars that work hard for their accolades.
Yeah don't worry, Trump does enough "race-baiting" on a daily basis for all of us. I'm sure he's adding his "poisoning the blood of our nation" line to his (god forbid) speech accepting the Repub nomination because it's such a big hit with his racist constituency.
I believe racism was involved, however, Ms. Gays' failure to read the room was a factor as well. She had to know that Stefanik was out to nail her to the wall. Trying to justify hate speech was a huge mistake for her.
First time ‘plagiarism’ is mentioned is at 4:30min mark, so not considered the key issue here to be discussed front and center. And then ‘plagiarism’ is minimized as a major breach of academic ethics and conduct. No surprise here. Question: How are plagiarism and shoplifting similar or different?
@@andrewanderson6121 Except there are a lot of scholars she ripped off, as the data show. It's staggering how much she stole. Go to the primary source documents - you'll see just how absurd the spin is.
Although both Plagiarism and shoplifting would probably discount you as a candidate for the Presidency of a University such as Harvard, Plagiarism is actually an offense against true academia and is used as a criteria for expulsion from the institution. So if you are a President of a bank, embezzlement would not look good on your record (you fire people for that), just as plagiarism does not look good on your record if you expel people for that.
Let’s go down your rabbit hole, let’s say you were the President of Operations for Walmart, and Walmart found that you had shoplifted from them on more than one occasion, would you expect to keep your job? Would expect to be given another job and keep your salary (in this case $900,000 a year)? P.S. Harvard is expected to have a standard well over WalMart, do you not agree?
She is still being paid a huge salary, rewarded for failing upwards, in spite of her questionable conduct. Holding a person to a standard is not racism. Stop the victim narrative.
The Billionaire Ackman's wife straight-up plagiarized on her dissertation but everyone is o.k. with it. THIS IS A DOUBLE STANDARD AND ACKMAN IS A HYPOCRITE.
True! I said the same thing earlier. Notice how quiet the white media is in reporting that. Ackman has all of a sudden been silent NOW! He's a hypocritical phony!
it probably is a double standard, but you still have to pick a side; either racism, sexism, and calls for genocide are always wrong, or always right, regardless of who does it.
So it's a "mistake" when the leader does it but grounds for expulsion when a student does it? That position is untenable and would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
It’s worse when you realize she WAS a student when she did it, if they were in her Thesis papers. So that excuse doesn’t even work with the logic, and literally falls on its face with the slights bit of thought
Why don’t you check all the leaders and see who has not plagiarized when AI is used to check their thesis they wrote in the 1990s. Who would had thought that randomly picking “superstar” Dr. Oxman would yield plagiarism from Wikipedia?
It still does not make it right.@@notnabsar
@@notnabsargo ahead and report those leaders too. She committed plagiarism, no doubt about it, and the liberal media’s cover up and race card can ONLY further alienate those in the middle of political spectrum.
Boy do I love MSNBC .....maybe this was a leadup to the MLK Day festivities ....but don't think they should have used this woman's testimony before Congress , and the resulting backlash , as a point to make about people dismissing the intelligence of black folks . It wasn't smart ...can't be twisted to sound smart
She plagiarized 50 times, she said it 'depended on context' calls to genocide the jews (one would assume it would not be depended upon context if someone called for the genocide of african-americans) She had written what, 15 papers but published no books - that doesn't account for much in academia. Under her 'stewardship' Harvard lost it's biggest sponsors/donators, Harvard has suffered massively reputationally and you've had company's say outright that they won't hire Harvard graduates.
But no, it's because of the colour of her skin.
11 papers
@@SevenRiderAirForce Haha, omg. I stand corrected. But, remember, it's all about her skin colour.
@@OniFeezactually it is
It is all about her skin colour. If she wasn‘t a black woman, she would have never got that job in the first place…
This was the cover up for the reality which is that she was on the most recent Epstein list. This has zero to do with racism and I know because I’ve researched every other name that dropped and they’ve all stepped down too
Not only does this augment discredit real black intelligence but everyone's intelligence. Allowing someone to get away with plagiarism and propping them up undermines those people (of all races) who worked hard to get somewhere.
Voetsek. USA is racist.
Exactly.
What intelligence? This DEI right fighter didn’t have an intelligent answer to the antisemitism under her watch.
She didn't plagiarize.
If you think this was about plagiarism I have a bridge to sell you.
'Publish or Perish' has been the standard in academics forever. She had just 11 publications!!, an insufficient number for one to even be a professor at Harvard, let alone the President. Forget the plagiarism. The bar was lowered for her to be the President. And in the end, she wasnt up to the job. She handled the Congressional hearing poorly and the crisis on campus poorly. This argument is BS
propaganda per usual.
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Well said
There’s plenty of previous Harvard Presidents who didn’t publish any research or few. Former Harvard President Derek Bok for example has only eight.
@cynthiadelva7698 of course that bigot won't comment on that. Whites are handed positions with or without experience. We've even had white white male Supreme Court appointments, with our without judicial experience, and even a football player, but we're supposed to believe that we should pluck any random white person out of any group and they're innately qualified for leadership. The jokes write themselves.
If I was informed correctly this woman still has a job at the school drawing her almost 900,000 salary just not as the president. Sounds like a win for her to me why are people complaining ? I’m sure the rest of the faculty would like to be making that much almost a million dollars? Are you kidding me? No wonder people can’t afford a college education these days. Shameful
I’m guessing if you added up the salaries of all the professors at most universities it wouldn’t be nearly what they’re paying the football coach.
@ concerned - For folks like you, it’s all about money. No sense of dignity.
@@MrOu83 How about having enough dignity not to throw the race card into this situation when her White colleague was forced to resign before she was. Nice try virtue signaling for her though.
@@concernedcitizen5971
Yeah, it was a hit job on all three of the women college presidents. The first to resign did so immediately after pressure to do so. The black college professor chose not to step down and was backed by the board, the faculty and the students. That's when the tried and true racist move of scavenging her background came into play. Be clear, racism is a pretty effective tool as is sexism, misogyny and homophobia. Those tools never go out of style.
@@speedracertv4934, yeah a hit job of easy to answer questions and the effed that up. None of them deserve jobs, mot the white two or the black one. Wow, communists are so stupid.
Hold every person to the same standard…regardless of race or gender.
Or fight for everyone equally…regardless of race and gender.
Unfortunately, this is a big problem in the African-American community. Many of them are taught that it’s not their fault and that white people are to solely blame for all their problems.
@@__BA__or hold antisemitism and plagiarism accountable regardless of race and gender.
Everyone isn’t equal regardless of race and gender. So to have the same standard often requires acknowledging those differences and acting accordingly.
@@__BA__ absolutely…I advocate abolishing legacy and affirmative action admissions. Like I said…hold everyone to the same standards, regardless of race and gender.
@@Rnankn what standards should be different based on race?
When a certain demographic is routinely treated far more favourably than all around them, being treated equally feels like discrimination.
What demographic is treated more “favorable” that every other ?? 😂 please explain this
@@menacemini4894 You really need it explained to you???
@@Dm-dk9zp yea I do what exactly is this “favorable” treatment especially in a country majority white. 😂
@@menacemini4894 Are you black or a self loathing white person
@@menacemini4894 you need to educate yourself. It's is a tragedy that the public education system has failed you so greatly.
This is an insane take.she totally discredited herself.
Yet Trumps own sister and niece questioned him taking the SAT and showing up to class, but nah, let's not look into that.
@@EncourageSquirt But, But Trump. You are so pathetic.
@@EncourageSquirtpeople have looked into that but really, what’s your point? We’re talking about the president of one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the world. She should be held to an incredibly high standard and when she was, she didn’t meet the bar. Plenty of qualified minorities out there, god knows why they picked this clown
@@EncourageSquirtyou are comparing a student taking the sat, to her plagiarizing her work that got her into the top postion of haravrd.... not onky that it's hersay that honestly doesn't even add upp.... yall are too far gone bro, it's sad that there are people out there like you
@@EncourageSquirt You are ridiculous! Maybe get some help.
"It's a complicated issue..." = We know she cheated but think she should be allowed to get away with it because she's on our team
Because she is poc
It's complicated because MSNBC is on-board with DEI.
Yep, seems pretty clear to me, but then I never had the misfortune to go to one of these prestige establishments 😂😂😂
She literally said that the genocide of Jews is “based on context”
True- it is important to recognize the severity of the genocide.
Can a genocide be taken out of context?
She did not say that genocide of Jews is "based on context" -- she said if someone else said it, context would matter. Huge difference.
@@Marty_Wanlass No, it would never matter. Genocide is unacceptable, period.
If she was unfairly harassed, why did she resign? To avoid being fired? Making a mistake is one thing. Doing something thousands of times is not an accident.
It wasn't because of that. She was accused of plagiarism. Check before you comment nonsense.
You are the one whose comment is nonsense. Harvard refused to fire her because of the accusations of so-called plagiarism.She was fired after donors started to threaten to pull their donations if she remained at her post.@@MAZ440
Because the whole thing became a distraction. So she fell on her sword.
This DEI right fighter failed with her response to antisemitism under her watch.
"thousands of times" 😂🤣
What about Rowland Fryer? who she chose to run out of Harvard
That's a great question for the race baiters to answer, too bad they're out of time seeing as it doesn't correspond with the show production.
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seriously. somehow these two didn't bother to defend Fryer. I wonder why....
@@GINOD42 I know why. Wrongthink.
This was a cover up. She resigned because she was on the Epstein list that dropped two days ago.
invent a different defense, this BS does not work anymore.
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She was on the Epstein list that dropped two days ago. And all the other names have resigned as well. This shows you how msnbc spread racism and hide the truth
comment of the year so true
Plagiarism is plagiarism is plagiarism. End of discussion.
propaganda is propaganda
@@Wegivesp 50 examples of plagiarism in her work is not propaganda. Students are disciplined or expelled for one example.
Aipac troll, .....BERG, FO.
@@carlberg7503 Says the guy without a high school diploma.
“The university concluded the errors ‘were not considered intentional or reckless’ and didn’t rise to misconduct. But the allegations continued.”
calling for a genocide of jews is against the rules of conduct depending on the context. If i call for the genocide of black people in Harvard Campus will it depend on context? Double standards.
Can we get Roland Fryer’s opinion on this
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
That part...
Any undergraduate student would be in major trouble for doing what she did. a president of a university is supposed to be held to a higher standard. this decision was not based on racism, no matter how much some people might want to spin it that way. she was a bad academic and that had nothing to do with her race.
propaganda
I know plagiarism is something very important, as a somewhat recent graduate student, my thesis had to go through a plagiarism checker before being accepted. So I can speak from experience that it is something vigorously looked for in academia. And if found, the person is typically in a lot of trouble.
@@Wegivesp NO, Truth.
@@dicky7600 does it apply to his plagiarising wife? Shouldn't she lose her job as well? Yes!
@@Wegivesp Who's wife?
This is unbelievable. Take responsibility!! Banging on about skin color is creating a whole new level of racism.
No, it’s acknowledging it. Failure to do so would be irresponsible.
@@Rnankn so it was her skin color and gender that made her commit plagiarism multiple times ?
Was it her skin color and gender because she couldn’t say it’s wrong to call for the genocide of the Jewish people ?
Progressive puppet@@Rnankn . Yes you certainly are.
leftist simpleton@@ScottSimmons-fn5dz
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
You're squandering your rhetorical talent by using it to distort the truth and hurt america.
USA is a racist country
Hurt America? 🤣
Shouldn't they have at least one guest who makes sense? What do they all have against ethics, morals, and accountability? We need good, honest, competent leaders. Claudine should not be beyond reproach because of her immutable characteristics. What a rotten piece of social manipulation this segment was!
Harvard should re-examine her doctoral thesis. Maybe they'll find enough evidence of plagiarism to pull her Ph.D., then Claudine will have to settle for work as a professional victim.
I don’t care what your race is, combating past racism with a newer updated form of racism is still racism. Keep DEI/CRT out of education and we’ll be fine.
Speaking of racism…
Your fear is not going to stop black people from our achievements. Our young people are actually seeing what we have been telling them about America for themselves. Racism is on the rise, and it's not just coming from the poor whites.
So you’re happy as long as racism persists undisturbed. Clearly you do care about race or you would not be so concerned.
somewhat agree, but there are actually a few grains of truth on both sides. dei/crt came about for a legitimate reason, and getting rid of them won't get us to some bias-free, utopian meritocracy.
propaganda... This is about setting back Black Americans by decades. It won't work.
I agree that there is way more to it than plagiarism, but what she uttered in her October 7th deposition was wrong on so many levels.
Was Claudine Gay's firing for racist, sexist, economic or political reasons? I think it depends on the context...
She was fired because she did not have the aptitude to run a University, or a McDonalds
I see what you did there.
😆😅🤣👏👏👏Oh man - nail meet head! Well played.
I see what you did there.
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Please don’t be this out of touch. It’s bad for everybody. X
You're out of touch. Glad China is on the rise so we can have actual merit based system. The West is dying due to its inability to change. Stop holding onto white supremacy
MSNBC is a propaganda machine, if their takes are ever good it’s only a coincidence.
It was a cover up. She was on the 3pstein list that dropped 2 days ago
Roland Fryer ask her about him
It’s 2024 the race card has expired
Truth: She got hired on the basis of race and she got fired on the basis of performance. I didn’t hear her complaining when she got the job because others were excluded because they didn’t meet DEI “criteria”. So the pool was very small. Which is ironic at Harvard. Being the president of Harvard requires you to have academic achievement among the best in the world, emotional intelligence, good judgement, and skill at internal and public relations. Her performance in all of these categories abysmal in a high stakes environment dealing with real world impacts and student safety. That’s why she got fired - because people held her to the standards of a president of Harvard and looked harder at her academic record. But she claims “race” for her firing. Again….she continues to fail at good judgment needed for a president.
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Exeter grad, BA Stanford, PhD Harvard with distinction of presenting the TOP dissertation in her field, then tenured professor at Harvard, worked up to the head of her department, then Dean for 5 years where she directed a $51M surplus for Cultural Arts and Affairs (which had a multi-million dollar deficit prior to her helming this position)... and THEN chosen as President. How are these credentials not excellent?
@@koraanjamarwell first off she had plagiarism in her thesis if I recall correctly, so knock off the diplomas for a start and graduation stuff as she shouldn’t technically have graduated due to the plagiarism in her thesis being a super big no no. I know I had to put my own thesis through a plagiarism checker as part of the requirements for my graduation. And then 11 total papers, with 50 counts of plagiarism spread across them kind of ruins the rest of her qualifications if you ask me, it isn’t something I can overlook. Then there is the possible data manipulation and not showing her raw data to fellow peers… another big no no that should get her kicked…. Yea, while the shell of her career looks nice, the inside is just rotten at this point. And that isn’t something you can overlook here.
@@darkraiking680 That's the thing - nothing she did met the standard that Harvard set for plagiarism. Her award stands.
As do all of her 3 degrees, professorship with tenure, still standing as Department Chair, and stint as Dean...
@@koraanjamar oh yeah, and there was something with the Harvard Professor Francesca Geno about 6 months ago or so, where it was found that she was doing some major data manipulation to always prove her theories right. That is two Harvard professors now shown to be academically bankrupt within the span of a year…. I genuinely wonder if there aren’t even more of them in Harvard. I’m sure if there are, it’ll be found out sometime this year given the current situation that there in. While I obviously can’t say that Harvard was responsible for Francesca Geno’s scam… it’s not a good look for Harvard, and for me has ruined what remaining credibility they had. I’d never go there even if I got a full ride… I’d be too worried about the academic dishonesty going on there.
You need to interview Carol Swain, Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes. And while you are at it, Roland Fryer.
Someone asked me if chanting for the genocide of the black race was appropriate or not, and I said that it depends on the context.
Bingo!!!!
Hey, I’m all for freedom of speech
"There were good people on both sides." Ummmm ... Let's see now. Who said that, Winny?
@@clayoreilly4553 You people take that quote out of context 100% of the time......like you just did.
@@Mr.White10-65 The usual suspects are not that bright.
She plagiarized from BLACK WOMEN, actual scholars, from whom she denied citations.
The crime was her getting the job in the first place. DEI hire was racist.
Nope, you just confirmed our worst fears about affirmative action in academia.
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
Nope! You are a bad faith human. You'd be supporting the KKK or Supporting Segregation in 1960. You'd definitely not be MARCHING to overthrow it.
Cheating to get your position should not mean that you lash back and still make $900,000 a year, it should mean that you no longer make $900,000 a year and should pay back what you cheated for. Inequality?
Spot on..She should now be allowed to still benefit from her malfeasance...
@@stephenhickey1709 you should edit “now” to “not”😉
"Not "
Wait till you read about the blk Equinox gym trainer who sued and got a $11.3 million payout because she was fired for being late close to 50 times back in 2018!. She even shamelessly admits her misconduct but gets away with $11.3M!
It doesn't take intelligence to plagarize 50 times and fail at your job. It isn't complicated she should never been hired.
The problem with that ridiculous statement is that it's not why she got fired. It's as stated in the clip with solid arguments, the far-right war on diversity the main reason.
And why didn’t any of these black ppl cry or care with Liz Magill was fired for less? Was it black supremacy?
@@jay4you853 yet they went after the other two presidents and they were white.
So where’s the racism ?
@@jay4you853 and they went after the other two and they were white so is that attacking diversity ?
Are they racist because they called out the other two ?
diversity is NOT merit so yes it should be challenged.@@jay4you853
Not everything needs to be about race.
She plagiarized her papers and was told to leave or be fired. simple as that.
Everything is about race. This is CRT America. Built on race with a racist foundation.
She literally stole from BLACK INTELLIGENCE herself...................................
Did she plagiarize or not? If she did her place is in the bin.
She did it's a fact
What does Liz Magill’s case reflect?
yes, Gay's case was clearly not all racially motivated. racism quite probably was a factor, but why do people insult our intelligence with these... black and white simplifications? even a white male would have been on shaky ground after failing to unequivocally condemn calls for genocide of jews.
Reflects the power imbalance between white people, and everyone else on the planet
Sexism
Zionism
@@chassidyswann8951 and a serious crisis of values, i.e. not recognizing and admitting that calling for the genocide of jews (or anybody) is unacceptable.
Perhaps you should get serious at MSNBC and bring someone like John McWhorter along with these two and have a real discussion. It you want to be part of the solution then let's actually engage in a real discussion. Please end the partisan rhetoric and start to have a nuanced debate.
Should be barred from all schools for her evil views. Students are expelled for plagiarizing but teachers and presidents are not
They wanted her gone for her embarrassingly horrible stance on violent antisemitism, and she had, years before, given them adequate ammunition by doing subpar citation on a few papers. This had nothing to do with her being black.
She apologized for bigotry and found out how much good people like that type of behavior in the presidents of their universities.
Considering she was neither anti-semitic nor did she plagiarize, it was obviously their twisted political agenda. And we know because they have been bragging about it publicly.
Oh so if we just say we’re sorry for being a bigot that makes it ok ?
So a person can go out commit murder then say I’m sorry and it’s all good no harm no foul ?
Where's the stance AGAINST attackkks on Black Americans? Lackkk of virtue signaling on full display
Now apply that logic to entire generations of Black Americans betrayed by this wikkked Nation @@davidmhale521
@@davidmhale521Y’all been doing it for years to POC and getting away with it. Please go back to FauxNews, troll.😂
These marxist are fools.
**EVIL
I agree with you.
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This entire clip relfects MSNB 's history of discrediting it's audience's intelligence.🙄
You could clearly check this on Word even in the 90s. Also she had up to 50 instances even in her forward of the essays.
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Pretty awkward to say that mass murder (genocide) depends on the context! In our country which has free speech in the constitution, if someone calls for murder in ANY context it is illegal. The College presidents should have reported this to the police.
It didn't happen - that was a hypothetical scenario put forth by the Congresswoman.
@@koraanjamarto which she answered, not only poorly, but was unable to articulate any basic semblance of an answer that satisfied the lowest bar of requirements for someone in charge of that institution. That’s why she’s gone, along with the other Penn president as they should be. Two down, one to go.
@@SquidFox9Perfectly well said!! 👏
@@koraanjamar It absolutely did happen and she did not do anything to tackle the pro terrorism protests on campus.
@@bogdar2019 Go back to the audio - it was stated in the hearing as a hypothetical situation to each University President. Congresswoman Stefanik also said it was hypothetical in her MTP interview.
Those who failed despite their privilege aren’t comfortable knowing that those who are marginalized have succeeded on their merit.
I’m really curious who has been “marginalized” in this instance? Liz Magill?
What merit does a serial plagiarist have?
@@JohnRedman-h3sask Ackman, his wife didn't use quotation marks or provide attribution. She has said as much.
What a stupid statement you made up.
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His wife wasn't president of an Ivy League university.
This is never about race rather she has allowed pro-hamas/antisemitic groups to protest in the campus and failed to condemn the terrorists. She should have resigned at least 1 month before.
Pro palestinian, anti-zionist groups are conflated with hamas and antisemitism, but you know that. Her only mistake was to attempt genuine responses to questions lacking context or a genuine query.
Yes straight after Liz McGill and the President of MIT should follow.
she just got the job....
I’ve just lost all respect for MSNBC.
Are we supposed to take this seriously?
This lot are so far off the mark it’s absurd.
Except the proof of her being a liar and cheat...
She copied entire paragraphs of other peoples work.
You lose credibility when defending total frauds.
Literally an entire half page, word for word of a book that came out in 1999
BS.. she stole from black authors .. BS
You’re kidding me right ?
I didn't know plagiarism was a race based issue.
Have you not heard of the anti-racism parallel movement, anti-plagiarism?
It’s not.
This was a cover up. She was on the Epstein list batch of names that was released two days ago but this is how they are covering it up.
Woke and antisemitism met at Harvard. They shyly held hands and talked for hours:
_"We have so much in common!"_
They kissed. Now woke is smitten.
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD, and learn to take responsibility of your actions
Oh, so you're saying she didn't plagiarize.
Pretty much.
She committed the cardinal sin of academia in university life - she copied verbatim large sections of other peoples' work without paraphrasing. Period. Why is it always complicated when a black lady or man does it?
Claudine still hasn't apologized for her plagiarism.
Iconic ✨
Has Melania ever apologized to Michelle for plagiarizing her entire speech? The far-right even defended her. Yet same far-right liars would have us believe they care when a Black woman does something genuine.
Should her phd degree be stripped?
She copied her methodology from Melania.
In her defence, she hasn't had time to research a good apology to plagiarise. Give her time.
Such a disgusting view on reality
3 fantasists' the woman stole people's work and passed it on as her own and they're trying switch the blame pathetic 😂😂😂
Harvard : PLAGIARISM +GENOCIDE = depends on the CONTEXT
"This level of propaganda is ridiculous." - North Korean state media
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This is the second MSNBC response I’ve seen to this and have not seen a supporting comment.
RACIIIIISM! 🤷🏼
Is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson going to show up and scream racism??? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
They already have.
Has nothing to do with race. You know how you can tell a true racist? They make everything.about race.
Gay’s new book, “The 3 keys to success.” One page with just an image CTRL, C, and V.
CG, as president of Harvard, is a spasm of DEI in its death throes. Harvard chose her in a tantrum over the SCOTUS finding the school guilty of racial discrimination. It’s the only way to explain her incredibly thin academic portfolio: they only wanted the biggest, blackest, loudest militant.
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What black intelligence? She literally copy pasted her entire career.
Lol this is ridiculous this lady plagiarized how was she discredited? She took others work credit for herself.Fake news.
Who “discredited”
Her? She had trouble denouncing anti semitism and plagiarized some of her work..
Is the Harvard board "Right wing"? wow
If racism was so strong how did you get the job in the first place?
Unless you are a Harvard student accused of plagiarism and then, mistakes don't matter!
Right. The student would be kicked out of school.
what is so complicated? mediocre liberal art academic was not fit to be a leader of university, plus happened to be a plagiarist
I don’t who this guy is but he must be the Dean of the School of Idiocy.
She plagiarized the intellectual property of another black woman. Are you serious?!!! This is not okay and it completely discredits black scholars that work hard for their accolades.
"That'll be enough race baiting for now team, now let's get back to our never ending obsession with Trump!" 🤪
Hahahaha!!!!!👍
Yeah don't worry, Trump does enough "race-baiting" on a daily basis for all of us. I'm sure he's adding his "poisoning the blood of our nation" line to his (god forbid) speech accepting the Repub nomination because it's such a big hit with his racist constituency.
Will y’all interview the black scholar, Dr. Carol Swain? Ask her how it feels to have another black professor steal her work!
I believe racism was involved, however, Ms. Gays' failure to read the room was a factor as well. She had to know that Stefanik was out to nail her to the wall. Trying to justify hate speech was a huge mistake for her.
huge mistake is thinking this wasn't a witch hunt of epic proportions. they are just getting started.
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Oh please. She obviously was out of her depth. And she got there by plagiarism and the politic of diversity.
Plagiarism????????
Don’t want to hear this bull had nothing to do with color it was about students who feared for safety she should have had their back
First time ‘plagiarism’ is mentioned is at 4:30min mark, so not considered the key issue here to be discussed front and center. And then ‘plagiarism’ is minimized as a major breach of academic ethics and conduct. No surprise here.
Question: How are plagiarism and shoplifting similar or different?
If you really kept listening you would have heard that the very person whom she is accused of plagiarism said he was not plagiarized!
@@andrewanderson6121 Except there are a lot of scholars she ripped off, as the data show. It's staggering how much she stole. Go to the primary source documents - you'll see just how absurd the spin is.
@@andrewanderson6121go get some freash air, and material...
Although both Plagiarism and shoplifting would probably discount you as a candidate for the Presidency of a University such as Harvard, Plagiarism is actually an offense against true academia and is used as a criteria for expulsion from the institution. So if you are a President of a bank, embezzlement would not look good on your record (you fire people for that), just as plagiarism does not look good on your record if you expel people for that.
Let’s go down your rabbit hole, let’s say you were the President of Operations for Walmart, and Walmart found that you had shoplifted from them on more than one occasion, would you expect to keep your job? Would expect to be given another job and keep your salary (in this case $900,000 a year)?
P.S. Harvard is expected to have a standard well over WalMart, do you not agree?
Who are those two losers defending mediocrity? How embarrassing 🙈
"I'm sorry but your Visa Race Card has been declined."
Best comment to date!
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what???
This lady was using Adolph Hitler type rhetoric.
nobody cares about her skin color, but her character.
BS
Oh you mean how she did just that to Roland Fryer? You know what they say about karma.
Eliot was talking about poetic appropriation, not plagiarism in the academic sense
A rose by any other name is still a rose...
She is still being paid a huge salary, rewarded for failing upwards, in spite of her questionable conduct. Holding a person to a standard is not racism. Stop the victim narrative.
This HAS to be an SNL skit. HAS to be!😂😂😂
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And why didn’t the race card get used when Penn State president quite?
The Billionaire Ackman's wife straight-up plagiarized on her dissertation but everyone is o.k. with it. THIS IS A DOUBLE STANDARD AND ACKMAN IS A HYPOCRITE.
True! I said the same thing earlier. Notice how quiet the white media is in reporting that. Ackman has all of a sudden been silent NOW! He's a hypocritical phony!
it probably is a double standard, but you still have to pick a side; either racism, sexism, and calls for genocide are always wrong, or always right, regardless of who does it.
So this was academic lynching.
best description
Velshi's head is going to hatch under those hot studio lights.
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If she was such an intellectual why did she plaugerize?
She discredited herself
She embarrassed herself by showing up unprepared and unwilling to condemn genocide.
People she PLAGIARIZED over 50 times , are you kidding me ??????
Like she did to Roland Fryer????