“Unacceptable Behaviour Towards Women!” Calls For Crossbow Ban After Bushey Triple Killing
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- A misogynistic culture at the root of violence against women and girls must be addressed, a domestic abuse charity has said, in the wake of the crossbow killings of a mother and her two daughters in their home.
Refuge said while it welcomed the Government’s urgent consideration of whether tougher crossbow laws are needed after the deaths, the danger from such crimes stems from the perpetrator rather than the tools they use.
The End Violence Against Women Coalition echoed this, warning that “quick-fix” measures such as banning a weapon would not stop men intent on harming women.
Triple-murder suspect Kyle Clifford is understood to have been the ex-partner of Louise Hunt.
The 25-year-old was found fatally injured with her sister Hannah, 28, and their mother, Carol Hunt, 61, at a house in Bushey, Hertfordshire, on Tuesday.
They are the wife and daughters of BBC 5 Live commentator John Hunt.
Talk’s Kevin O’Sullivan discusses the story with former Met Police detective Peter Bleksley.
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Grew up around, crossbows, knives, starting campfires in the woods etc. Never murdered anyone....
There's still time 🙄
@Andy-di1zdwhy not? Liberty is a God given right.
Bro i just bought one and its gonna get banned soon. Wtf is this country 💀
@Andy-di1zd yes
Not with that attitude! I believe in you man
"ban it ban it ban it"
yes, because we all know that criminals follow bans and listen to laws. Good thing knives are illegal in public eh
100% correct. Ya see prison is a deterrent if you’re a law abiding person, if you’re capable doing this to three woman, well something tells me being locked in a cell with three meals a day ain’t gunna deter him
Why have any laws then?
this reminds me of any shooting in America.
It doesn't matter why and how , the importance is the act itself.
This is what makes people talk , that's what makes (sick) radical changes.
@@Esafc-lb2sg to deter action. If this man wanted to murder these women he’d have chosen another weapon of choice.
Well it worked after Hungerford and Dunblane.
No one call to ban alcohol when ppl get drunk and killed others either in car accident or when they are not in their sense. You ppl Need to stop "ban everything " slogan
I've seen Muslims call for alcohol ban after the recent 17 year sentence for the drunk driver that killed 2, which I oppose
drunk driving is already illegal
@Andy-di1zdAnd so is shooting people with a crossbow. Andy, honestly, you've been made fun of, ridiculed and your point torn to shreds on every comment chain I've seen you on. When are you gonna get the hint that you don't understand what people are talking about.
This man uses a crossbow to commit a crime, they then call to ban crossbows. The commenter was making a point that people use alcohol and commit crimes, like the man uses a crossbow as they are both tools directly used in the crime, yet we don't then call for bans on alcohol, do we?
@@Steven-hq3goSame one’s selling it in the local corner shop 😂
Honestly alcohol should be banned, fuck it
So literally first crossbow murder in 40+ years and suddenly it’s a “problem”.
Not so. A man was killed with a crossbow in Wales, not so long ago.
Doubt it's first in that long. A lot of stuff happens that's not even in the news
Never heard of the crossbow cannibal?
@@marythurlow91322 incidents then. Banning things doesn’t solve anything
@Andy-di1zd More people have been murdered with spoons.....
When are we banning cars, water deeper than 5cm, all wire and rope, kitchen utensils all prescription drugs then?
And alcohol.
None of them are weapons though. They absolutely can be used as weapons or to kill someone however they were not made with the sole purpose of being a killing machine. Crossbows however were made with the sole purpose of killing. I don't think they should ban crossbows though, heaby regulate them maybe bc ordinary citizens dont actually need weapons (actual weapons not things that could be used as weapons) but they shouldn't be banned. The argument of when are they banning this, this or that makes nonsemse bc you are trying to compare actual weapons, actual killing machines to other things that were designed for a completely different purpose but of course like almost everything can be used as a weapon
@@sudsey6713 The drink killed my dad.
He was hit by a Guinness lorry.
@@alexandersmall2279 🤣🤣🤣
@@sudsey6713 Crossbows were made, like any weapon as a deterrent against marauders, but let's no go there ;)
Men are not the problem, this one bloke was the problem.
It's not just one bloke though is it, every year men out weigh women when it compares to hurting/killing their partner. Women are also more likely to be victims of sexual violence in relationships. Not every man should be blamed, we have many wonderful men out there, but there is evidently an issue.
It’s not just one bloke is it though. It’s a fuq ton. The root problem is men. Women don’t feel safe around you. That’s a problem. I mean ffs if you had a daughter would you let her out alone past 10pm at night? Not that woman aren’t beaten and SA’d during the day too.
@@MsChifran Most men even violent men are not going to do what this man did. He's clearly mentally disturbed and we need to be investigating his background because in a substantial number of cases the perpetrator of psychotic attacks is on drugs esp cannabis. See ATTACKER SMOKED CANNABIS.
@@MsChifran Some men are violent to their partners, so this means it is all men. As you say men outweigh women, showing that women are also perpetrators of violence against men.
If we apply the same logic that because some women are violent then that means it is all women.
Therefore, men and women are the problem.
Or we could make the sensible approach of not generalising about either gender and accept that violent men and violent women do not represent ALL men or ALL women.
@@MsChifranit's an incredibly small minority, in every other context, that is sufficient for the broader demographic to not be blamed. But apparently not in this case?
Isn’t murder illegal anyway ?
Not during lockdown it wasnt 😏 be a load of harold shipmans operating under the disguise as death by covid
Yes, ban it.
@@keith6400 Absolutely, I don't know why they made it legal in the first place!
Yes that's why the prisons are full!!
Wouldn't think so from the sentences
So if he used a car, you would ban all cars ?
Cars kill way more than any gun or crossbow
Car wasn't designed to be a weapon.... it's a form of transport..
@@WhatDemocracy so your saying you can’t use a car as a weapon then?
@@WhatDemocracy doesn't matter it can still be used as a weapon, a lumberjack axe wasn't designed to be a weapon or a kitchen knife wasn't designed to be a weapon but they can still be used as one and they'll definitely be effective.
@@maximuschung2076no. He’s saying a car has a primary purpose that isn’t killing things. Wouldn’t think it’d need explaining
To blame all men is very irresponsible,
Disappointing
The stats don't lie.
@@SophiaKate-r2vyeah and there is certainly a lot of women out there aswell
@@megane230f1yeah and a lot of cats
@@SophiaKate-r2v Which stats?
Part of the woke addenda.
What about the nurse that murdered all those innocent babies
Exactly
Another psyop.
What?
The nurse who's probably innocent?
wait what?
that old news, it's not important any more.😕
But did she?
So if he used a Carrot we would have to ban all carrots?
mate.... shut up. You sound like a fool
If I thought about committing a crime should thinking be banned?
@@rant-A-holic Seems like thinking was banned a long time ago, not many people do it anymore.
@@rant-A-holic it will inj the future at this rate
It is quite stupid to say the problem is men, its not men, it is individuals .
@Andy-di1zdthe problem is Muslim men
@Andy-di1zdah yes, use the behaviour of 0.00001% of men and blame it on "men" 😂😂😂
Who kills women? Is it thousands of other women?
I'll jump in..to say the problem is men..is just dumb thinking.. the problem is certain individuals who are unhinged... focus on this..
I'm a man and no danger to any female...
I want to support any movement for a safer world..but if you whitewash the issue on all men are the problem..
Then I'm out and won't take part in any support or care...
Be careful with wording and language
@Andy-di1zdyou are the worst type of scum on the internet
So all men get thrown into the category of women hating because of the actions of one that is ludicrous!
Yes it's the usual divisive nonsense. At any opportunity
Not all men. I read yesterday that 200 women every year are killed by their partners. The estimate is that 1 in 7 women experiences assault/DV in her lifetime. Recently there's been a lot of rhetoric about men being falsely accused of assaults. It's always by the same type of man though - one who has an agenda. It's a lot more common than you think.
@@alisondare7203way more then that 😢doesn’t mean all men are bad but unfortunately there are enough to make it an epidemic
@@alisondare7203 well , I like follow some other statistics but these have no existence in media.
Like suicide rates in men(fathers) for false allegations of grape and dv, denying access to the kids, alienating the kid.
It's hundread if not thousands cases each year and even more families and children damaged and yet no news even once mention about it.
there's definitely war on men and fathers in this country.
Disgrace.
@@alisondare7203DV by women is actually more common than the other way round according to some studies. Women can be nasty. We're not all gentle innocent little flowers.
As someone that's a former policeman this guy should know that it's the culture and the upbringing that is to blame, not men.
How come it’s so common around the world for men to murder women, in all kinds of cultures? It’s definitely the culture in Western Europe and has been for eons. Same as Eastern Europe. Same as the various cultures of Asia. Same as the various cultures of the Americas. Same as the various cultures of Africa. Etc.
If the problem is men, then is it also true to say "the problem is Muslims" when a Muslim extremist commits an act of terror?
If you have an issue blaming all Muslims for the actions of an unbalanced individual, but you don't have the same issue blaming all men, maybe you have a personal issue with men.
Good point
What is it with you people and Muslims? What's with this hatred? Absolutely stupid take!
There you go! You really do have problem with Muslims. Because , usually when one Muslim does wrong behaviour, Media is quick to label this on all Muslims . Unlike when one Christain does bad behavior and the whole media gets silent about it.
That and cowardice.
They all read from the same book...
So by this logic, all women must be evil because Myra Hindley existed
Yes. It really is ridiculous isn't it.
Women can no longer be trusted around babies.
I'm sorry, but Lucy Letby just denied all women that right
That's not the logic at all. He was talking about every day misogyny which is normalized.
Myra Hindley was an outlier, once in a generation case. Women and girls are murdered by their husbands, boyfriends, men they rejected etc on a constant basis. It's not a good comparison.
It's about frequency. Men harassing and harming women in domestics is much more common than the other way around. Obviously not all men are bad, but the problem is is statistically a male problem, by a large margin.
So women can’t be around babies because of Lucy letby ?
Ah yeah ... but that was probably a man's fault ... somewhere, somehow. When a woman goes apeshit or does something sick, she's deprived of agency. Some Man probably made her do it or drove her to it. ... When one man does something sick, the entire male sex has to take accountability for it. Them's the rules.
And Myra Handley.
Exactly!
Even if this murderer was a schizophrenic most people would think it abhorrent to label all schizophrenics as potential murderers.
yeah, don’t like white women around kids
Men have done the same to babies
1 man kills people with a crossbow and suddenly we are against men and against crossbows.... mental
95% of family annihilators are men, sounds like a male problem to me
Millions of women and girls are abused, mutilated, raped and murdered by men and you still can’t acknowledge males are the problem. Insanely stupid.
its not just one man is it???? theres news about a woman being killed by a man every other day because of rejection or hate. men are problematic as fuc
Yup, I don't know why nobody is looking at the lack of mental health support and help for men. It's so inadequate. Women get far more help with that.
lol only saying that cause white man is the perpetrator @85Wright
66.97 million people in the UK and you want to ban crossbows because one little wasteman goes on a spree :/ Stop trying to punish the many of one individuals actions
If you count the visa overstays or illegal immigrants the number is much higher, mainly in cities. It was estimated at 77-80 million 15 years ago. Repatriation needs to happen
@@Steven-hq3goyep, the supermarkets and water companies estimated about 80 ISH million about 15 years ago and that was a conservative estimate! 😬
Ok but why does anyone have a crossbow?
@@ps5andstuffhere guaranteed none of these people moaning about a potential ban have even ever held a crossbow.
@@ps5andstuffhereCountry sports exist you know, that's like asking why does anyone have a gun.
"The problem... is men" ahh, the hate movement continues
Hate against men? That’s weird I only see people saying they hate men but I see men who hate women murdering and abusing them. It’s almost as if men are the ones actually consumed by hate and the victims are fed up of pretending like the predators aren’t almost always male.
"The Problem is Men". That's something the BBC would say.
Yeah, men who worked for the BBC, Jimmy Savile, Stuart Hall etc.
Big Black Cock 😂🤣
they are.
@Pickles-s9u That's because illegal immigration isn't a problem. Illegal immigration makes up a very small part of immigration to this country. It's a drop in the bucket compared to other pressures on our services through lack of funding and investment for 14 years. It's like blaming passengers on the titanic for there not being enough lifeboats.
Only to the saps that pay for it
Are they going to ban honour killings, or is that exempt because its part of a certain religion.
Honour killings aren't limited to a particular religion though.
erm they are literally illegal.
this may surprise you but its actually illegal to kill anyone in the uk without a pretty good reason.
although given the press flare ups you would imagine that only white men have laws protecting them. which is weird given that being female is the single best thing you can do to avoid being murdered...
Honour killings are already illegal…like every type of murder.
Murder is in fact illegal. Honor killings are murder. They ddont needd a seperate law, same as we dont need hate crime laws.
@@runningcommentary2125I think you will find they are.
Almost like importing an infinite number of foreign men was a bad idea...
Imagine if they were non binary, I'd like to see them pin the problem on the gender then
The problem is men? Never let a tragedy (PR opportunity) go to waste I see...
men are miles more violent. It is why walking at night is dangerous. Men hate women.
It's like saying "It's women" because people like Lucy Letby exist.
Lucy Letby is 0.00000001% of the female population. Over 45% of the male population are estimated to have fantasies of harming a woman.
Lucy is only one woman. Most men behave badly towards women and girls.
Wrong. Domestic violence is growing and mainly committed by men towards women. Lucy Letby type scenarios are RARE.
@@femmefatale71 50% of domestic violence is mutual. Of the 50% of domestic violence that is not mutual, women commit 70% of it.
Women are also more likely to use weapons or to invite violence by proxy.
Men are more likely to kill from blows.
Lesbian relationships have the highest rate of DV, gay men have the lowest.
Overall, most men don't commit domestic violence but you're still willing to paint all men with the same brush.
@@femmefatale71 also, the sex of the victim of most female murderers is male. It's women that have a problem with killing men.
I always find it funny that people will focus on the 1 man that did the awful crime, but miss the 10+ men that arrested him, charged him, gaurd him in prison, etc..
For every bad man, there are plenty that are there to punish him!
IN WHAT WORLD IS IT ALL MEN!
@BritishMummy Male victims get ignored more than female ones do. Dry your eyes.
@BritishMummy Yeah it's not just women that have that.. If there is no evidence, or at least enough to be able to charge, the police won't help. It happens to both men and women, the only difference is that women get noticed when they die, men don't.
TalkTV are you more worried about the crossbow or the bonkers lunatic who carried out the crime. The crossbow is irrelevant murder by crossbow is a vanishingly small feature of the murders in the UK each year. Get a grip.
@@toadisonthemove The authorities use a pen and do more damage than any weapon, just sayin...
@@toadisonthemovewhich authority is ignoring knife crime? Please enlighten us.
Sadiq
@@TA-yw7ce I realise your bigotry makes you want to make him a scapegoat but he's not ignoring knife crime.
@@bookie5667 But in fairness he is if he removes stop and search powers and effective method of removing knives off the street. And the chaps not bigoted for saying someone ignores it. We are the acid attack nation of Europe calling this out for example under Sadiqs watch is not bigoted it's just fact.
To blame all men is definitely irresponsible. However most men do need to be taught how to deal with rejection. These women died because the killer couldn’t deal with his girlfriend breaking up with him. Last year in London, a school age girl got stabbed as she stood up for her friend against her friends ex boyfriend. It’s just unacceptable, the violence against women and young girls.
Blaming men in general just causes way more division. Why not blame the murderer's mothers for the upbringing? Thats how petty it gets
Why blame the mother and not the father? The news report is about a man who killed three women.. why are we trying to blame a mother that wasn’t involved in the situation?
@@son_94we should blame his testicles that's the real evil
Total psy op
Hmm.. what leads you to think that? genuinely interested
@@edmervyn1428they create and spin what THEY need rid of
Guns
Dogs
Speach…….
The photos of the sisters, for a start. Aren't there any normal pics for this media event?
100% a psyop
Completely agree
That's like saying all women are the problem when it comes to false allegations of SA, etc...
It's individuals.
I'm a man. I've never owned a crossbow or murdered anyone.
And men may have to be banned.
@@dulls8475remember when that officer killed that woman and they were on about a curfew for all men? They legit tried to ban us once lmao.
Most men aren't going to kill someone with a crossbow.. There is a problem with male tendencies towards violence, power and sex, I don't think it's wrong to suggest that males behave significantly worse than females in society. But yeah, most of you aren't crossbow murderers and it's wrong to suggest that.
Well the difference is false allegations arent a common issue whilst violence towards women and forms of misogyny (that manifest through SA) is very very common. No ones saying its all men, but this issue of mens treatment of women is one to point out. This murder was only one extreme of this problem that is undeniable in society.
@@pinklov4447 Interestingly enough if one bothers to look at rates of domestic violence, according to one such study, 43.8% of lesbian women and 61.1% of
bisexual women have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime, compared to 35% of heterosexual women.
Other studies point to parity.
Unacceptable behaviour towards anyone, not just women!
"Men are the problem"
What have I done now?
Men are indeed the problem, i can say this as a man,look at every day news, its always men making victims here and there
@@TeflonOkl
So, are black men for the problem then because it's mostly them making the news?
I think you'll find it's Unacceptable behaviour towards anyone....not just women
this was a male who targetted females only, misogyny
@@beaulieuc8910 no... but nice try, if you are going to make a claim like that, you have to prove causality. If it were mysogyny, why only those individuals? One doesn't equal the other, but you stay mad.
@@pixlhoundyeah this is very clearly a case with specific targets, there's a connection here we aren't aware of.
@@beaulieuc8910 nope.
feminists routinely claim all female victims of murder as sex based attack. makes no sense.
given men are 4x more likely to be murdered that would mean most murders are targeted misandrist attacks.
more likely neither is the case and most murders are specific grudges or opportunistic.
but this goes further. the claim here is that being 1/4 ie a minority of murder victims shows that the country loathes women, which is odd for a country in which 3/4 of victims of murder are male and which mass disposed of its men twice last century but not its women. stretching rather to pretend that female life is seen as throwaway in the uk, certainly relative to male life, i would suggest for anyone more sentient than an earthworm...
So much DARVO from men in these comments . Men
Commit most and a lot is towards women and we have a growing culture of violent misogyny. Gaslighting because your fragile egos are hurt will not make the problem
Go away.
Stop taking this conversation personally.
Love how they blame all men it's a small minority of men and freaking hate all the news media
We men can do anything including nothing at all and we still get blamed. No wonder makes suicides are so high
Men kill themsleves more often than women because they use more violent (deadly) methods. Women actually attempt suicide more often but studies have found dying women care more about how their death impacts their family than men, who care more about their own suffering. So women chose less violent methods to leave less of a traumatising mess for whoever finds the body. And when males have set up a system that equates masculinity with having no deep or meaningful social connections, it’s no wonder you try to kill yourselves. Maybe stop calling women sensitive and hysterical and realise you ought to be more like us.
most murderers are men and it’s a problem. stop victimising yourself.
but you did sm tho….hurting women. ur s**cide is so high bc the patriarchy stops u from expressing ur feelings, it’s not women’s fault. also women attempt more, men are just more successful. so u have proved nothing
Trying to remove the last weapons we have. Control control control.
@peterholden3672 why does he need a reason?
@peterholden3672It's called Liberty something that God gave us freely. Something you will never understand little Communist you are l.
@@tylerbruh2544Because it's a purposely made and unnecessary deadly weapon
@peterholden3672Liberty is a God given right, something you as a Communist will never understand.
@peterholden3672what a stupid question. He doesn't need a reason. If someone wants to kill, they could fund numerous ways of doing it. Should they ban everything? Kitchen knives? Ban them next.
How many have been killed by dogs in the last 10 years v crossbows ?
Noone should be killed by a crossbow. You can't control what animals do. This is why a lot of women say they'd rather be alone with a bear than a man. Sure the bear might eat you but at least there's not going to be any malice involved and it's not going to drag it out for pleasure or whatever. Not a single woman should ever be killed by a man, i don't see why you think this is acceptable just because dogs kill?
@@MySimDiedyet we keep dogs around despite that we should be banning dogs then
@@CashMNey Silly strawman argument and it's part of the problem. You might not mean it to come across this way but you're kinda defending your "right" to harm women. This is why you're so scary to so many of us.
There’s different dogs, they do ban the breeds that kill people I think. Why do you think it’s okay to shoot women?
@@jaybee4288No-one said that. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths. Why do you think its ok to kill men?
but my liege, if crossbows are banned, how will we defend our castle if it comes under siege and obtain venison for the table.
If in doubt, go for the woke reason..
Do you even understand the meaning of the word?
when 'the woke reason' is the one backed by facts and reality, then yes:
"Women were more likely to be killed by someone they knew than men, for example, of the 100 domestic homicide victims in the year ending March 2023, 70 were women." - "Homicide in England and Wales: year ending March 2023", Office for National Statistics
@@anastasiarose4482 ohhh goody people who pretend not to understand which number is bigger, and thus come to the conclusion that women being 4x less likely to be murdered than men means we live in a society that despises women(the total opposite of the claim made with minorities/gays etc ie where outsized victimhood equates to more risk) lecturing people about being precise on definitions...
presumably the third reich loved jews and hated aryans. after all they killed more aryans. makes 'perfect' sense. christ...
@@anastasiarose4482 yes its political correctness. its bad. whats your point again?
Making ordinary people doing ordinary things into criminals does not reduce the number of crimes committed it simply makes it easier for the government to find excuses for locking up their political enemies.
And it's a way for lazy authorities to make it look like they've addressed the problem without actually doing anything about it. Every time there's an issue needing to be addressed instead of putting in the time and effort to look at why something happened and what can be done to address the underlying causes they just ban things instead which requires zero effort and allows them to pat themselves on the back believing they've fixed the problem.
Men aren’t the problem and neither are crossbows. This one guy was the problem. How do people like this actually have zero critical thinking ability? This guy used to be a police detective as well, Jesus wept.
How many Evil woman have we seen so that makes all woman evil according to there thinking
Because this affected someone in the media there’s a call to ban crossbows! Meanwhile there were appx 50,000 “knife incidents” in the UK last year how about ban all knives !
Well spotted 🤔🤔🤔
Yes! Violence against women is escalating. Someone please give this man a medal for having the courage to speak up & speak out without worrying about the backlash he will receive for being honest. These days everyone wants to look the other way or become offended by something that they feel is a personal attack. Women are not safe & yes violence against women is escalating. Facts!
No, the problem is idiots who call for banning crossbows because they don't want to do what's really necessary. What was the man's background and what drugs was he taking?
What is his real name and origin?
How about stop telling women that approaching demographics which are a proven exceptional safety risk for a relationship is a fine idea?
that’s men?
Go ask my wife and two daughters if i am a problem.....🤬
One person uses a crossbow irresponsibly and now we're all to be banned from having them. Such an over reaction. More people die of cars every day. Why not ban them? People are so quick to and even seem desperate to have more and more restrictions and controls put on their lives. Those who would give up their freedoms for safety deserve neither. The less responsibility you give people, the less responsible they become.
So theres one incident in 50 odd years and now your all the victims of it? Madness.
This might seem petty to some people but I think it's important that we start saying "some men" or "certain men" in these types of conversations because using blanket terms leads to tarring us all with the same brush and generalised negative attitudes towards all men, which isn't fair. Women don't like it when men label them all the same, so why is it ok to do it to men? Believe it or not, we are not all sex-crazed, abusive, and murderous savages. The vast majority of us are decent, hard-working, law-abiding, family men, some of whom have daughters and sisters that we would absolutely protect from such abhorrent behaviour.
yes, many women are scared of men. I take a body camera with me now.
Doesn’t really matter if most of you are decent people. We don’t know which of you are genuinely safe and which of you might hurt us, so women have to be weary of all men, all the time. And if we aren’t we get blamed for our own deaths, but if we are we get called “man haters” and prejudiced just for acknowledging we are never safe. Also idk where you got the idea men protect women because it’s pretty much always women who end up looking out for other women.
@@mazzy_vc Hey there. I'm not going to pretend for one second that I know what it must feel like for a woman to have unwanted attention or worse from men, but I think to claim that women "have to be wary of all men, all the time" is a little on the extreme side, don't you think? Maybe it comes down to personal experiences and views but it's my belief that that kind of language only adds to the unfair negative attitudes towards men in general. Should we be wary of all people from a certain religious group or skin colour all the time because of bad things that a small minority of their people do? No, we shouldn't because that's being prejudiced. Also, I find it astounding and terribly sad that the idea of men protecting women is foreign to you because where I come from it is second nature.
@@mazzy_vcSo would this apply towards the misogyny in Islamic communities and countries.
Why are feminist silent then? It’s not western men committing honour k*llings or enforcing women having cover themselves up.
It’s misandry and can be gotten away with, while having a double standard towards cultures.
@@mazzy_vcyou say that it’s pretty much always women who look out for other women, so explain why rapists and abusers have far more to fear in prison than other convicts? What about the good guys that get prison sentences for stepping in to deal with rapists and abusers when the law won’t? The idea that men just sit back and watch whilst other men abuse women is a straight up lie
The problem is men like peter.
Truly, a woke idiot.
I was only waiting for the feminist "men are the problem" trope to be trotted out. I didn't have to wait long, either.
Sad story. But to make it a sexist statement is ridiculous.
i dont use crossbows but i am sick of this nanny state reaction to things like this where there are instant calls to ban "X" item that was used to do something bad. If it wasnt a crossbow it would be something else. The person who committed the act is evil not the thing he used. Get a friggin grip
What's next for ban hammers ? Saw? Dinner knife? Lol
What’s a crossbow designed for?
@Sambo890 exactly, you can kill someone with your bare hands, how will they ban that?
@@FrozenSurf they've been legal for how many years?? Why now
@@FrozenSurfif it wasnt a crossbow it of been something else. Then again did he use a crossbow? Or is it the media bullshit again?
@@jamieT374 not saying they should be banned, just that it’s an object designed primarily to maim and kill. Unlike hammers etc. I think there should now be more control out in place as to who can buy one, similar to gun rules. It makes sense.
100+ people a day get stabbed in the UK and knives aren't banned, discussion over.
The problem here is the person! If it hadn’t of been a crossbow it would have been another weapon. He had been in the army, was he suffering from ptsd or mental health problems? Should they have reported him to be watched or had he just lost it to rejection. Poor family. Nobody deserves what he did.
When someone like him says men are the problem, I have to assume he shares a similar desire to do bad things to women, but “controls” it. And that he assumes it’s a desire throughout all men, but not all are as “strong” as he is to fight it (assuming he has). Because if he held no such desires, then he’d know categorically that men aren’t and can’t be the problem, because it doesn’t exist in him, therefore there must be others that it doesn’t exist in. So it’s interesting when people think like that. For example it’s overwhelmingly men that stop violent attackers, be it good Samaritans, or the police. So shouldn’t men also be gifted blanket free reign based off that fact too?
Or something like kid fiddlers, some people are sick and attracted to children, but not everyone is, so you can’t say men are the problem. And if someone was to say that men are the problem, it indicates an innate belief that that desire resides within all men, and that they’re just suppressing it.
Point being I’d trust this guy around women, a heck of a lot less than someone who understands it’s not a male problem. I’d bet money he’s got some skeletons in his closet
This now reminds me of an Irish murder. The first in the area in half a century . Suddenly men were the problem, in peaceful Ireland.... where this had never happened in over 50 years... Suddenly every negative experience with a man was part of a wider problem with Irish men and their attitudes to women. And then it came out... The guy wasn't Irish.. he was an immigrant... So those on the left on twitter suddenly stopped talking about him and now people on the right started blaming every immigrant... and so the blame game goes on.
The problem is almost always men. Occasionally we’ll get a Lucy letby but guys seem to think it’s okay to do this stuff when they’re having problems or whatever. Doesn’t matter where he comes from, just that it’s usually him.
@@jaybee4288 How is what you are saying relevant at all? The man was in a relationship with one of the victims. If he's part of a wider social trend of poor treatment of women he would never of been in a relationship with her in the first place. He would never be put in a position of trust.His behaviour when said relationship broke down is completely unacceptable and abnormal. Men in general don't grab a crossbow when they break up with a girlfriend. This a complete freak event.
no woman was murdered in ireland for 50 years? give me a fucking break
@@jaybee4288"guys seem to think it's okay to do this stuff when their having problems" Absolutely ridiculous statement. If this were true, you would see a lot more women being murdered. The vast majority of men know how to keep their emotions under control. The problem is, that even if 0.01% of men were prone to violence, that would still make up over 300,000 violent individuals in the UK alone. Not real numbers but it should at least show that even if 99.9% of men never lifted a hand to anyone, there would still be enough violent men out there to cause some damage. But sure, keep saying it's all men that are the problem.
I guess he could be an immigrant. He could also be mentally ill.
Most people would find it abhorrent if all immigrants or mentally ill men were labelled as potentially dangerous on account of one murdering lunatic.
No, this isn't about hatred and contempt for men, as one commentator says. It's about challenging and changing predominant male attitudes. Mr Sullivan is being factually correct when he says that abuse from men to women is endemic. Read the facts on the UK Rape Crisis website or read some of Laura Bates' writing, which makes for deeply upsetting reading but is based on her years of research, including documenting women's experiences of sexual harassment. When supposedly 'minor' examples of unacceptable male behaviour are dismissed then that behaviour implicitly becomes acceptable, and when a woman's discomfort is trivialised it sends a message that what women object to doesn't matter. There is ample evidence that the bloke who starts off by 'flashing' is likely to move on to rape. In the same way men joking about giving the other half a slap are condoning and encouraging domestic abuse. Of course not all men abuse women but l'll bet there isn't one man reading this thread who has never heard another man say something derogatory about women AND either laughed along (however uncomfortably) or not challenged their point of view.
BTW women being derogatory and dismissive about men is similarly insidious.
Crimes against children which are predominately committed by women is endemic but where is the discussion involving that extremely serious issue?
I find disrespectful is that some men give other men bad reputation because of what they do to others
That’s all you care about? Pathetic comment.
@@femmefatale71 yes because idiots like you love taking rare occasions like this and blaming all men for it.
A lot is down to the culture that has come into this Country from 1950s. Whereas the initial immigrants settled in well, their sprogs and sproglets ever since has given us cannabis and knife crimes. The more recent culture do not rate women highly so the attacks against women are rising.
If I had a penny for every time men get blamed, I’d be rich.
This Peter Bleksley guy has the most appauling case of double standards. He says, rightly, that Colin Pitchfork should now remain in prison because he's clearly a danger to the public. He does however also believe that 'community service' for an attack on a teenage boy with a machete is adequate punishment, as in the case of Jay Slater, the missing lad who was involved in a similar attack.
@@kt5661 Well if that doesn't tell you what kind of clowns we got on leading us
Peter Bleksley talks absolute rubbish. Time to stop bringing him in. Absolute clown.
It's about a sick society
Sick person.
The crossbow isn’t the problem. Stop blaming the tool and start blaming the user, the tool can’t pick itself up and act on its own, it requires a tapped owner.
EXACTLY
He did blame the user…he literally pointed out it was yet another violent male deciding to take his anger out on women. Did u even watch the clip?
@@mazzy_vc Address the calls for crossbows to be banned then, please. That’s the entire point of my comment. The crossbow didn’t do anything, it cannot in fact, do anything. It is solely the user that is to blame and full responsibility should go to them, the tool shouldn’t be banned because its user is tapped
@@mazzy_vc I'm more concerned about the countless violent females who take out their anger on innocent children.
I would venture to say this would be unacceptable behaviour against men aswell.
To generalise about an entire group of individuals by saying the problem is men, is completely out of line.
Its also men that will be keeping this guys off the streets
STOP demonizing men.
Can you imagine a thumb nail that says the problem is women 😮
Glad he did not use a kitchen knife then. Have no idea how I would cut up the veggies after the ban. The knee jerk stupidity is rife in this once free country...
Ban pointed sticks. Ban stones. Ban fists. Ban human interaction of any kind just encase something bad happens.
Blame men!!! I blame the total lack of any adequate funding for NHS mental health services not getting the treatment/help they need.. and to return to the tag line... wasnt a large contingent he cabinet of the previous govt (that has virtually gutted the NHS throughout its reign!!) been female.. sure...blame men as a cop out,but blame the politico's who screwed the NHS up.
Here we go again. "The problem is men"
This is one of the reasons why I cross the street when I see a girl coming towards me.
I agree , ok I do believe he is to blame because of his jealousy, but as a mother of two sons I've had to deal with some right evil cows , one who claimed false rape , made her really regret her accusation....
there is a problem with mental health in this country, since we mostly gave up providing any consistent care in this field.
we give more care than we ever have
@@NickHunter We actually do not. Unless ofcourse you are well off. Many people are not given proper care because of their social rankings. I have worked in independent non profit organisations within Europe and the actual stats will show you. Just because we do it better than Russia or other countries doesn't mean we doing it right.
@@NickHunter That’s wrong. There was much better care for mental health back in the 00’s, before the Tories came in, in 2010 and undid all of that.
Exactly banning Crossbow would do no good
I KNEW this would be twisted into a ban on crossbows!
Here we go again, another knee jerk ban incoming!
Too sweeping a statement that all men are the issue, its just one man, one lunatic.
The numbers don’t lie.
And it’s not one men.
It’s a LOT of them
@@Sa_m-samBut still a minority overall. Don’t be disingenuous.
@@makara80 stop saying BS like… “not all men”
Welll deuuhhhhh of course it’s not all men. The numbers don’t lie… we have a problem just admit it.
How about instead of banning inanimate objects we focus on the actual problem. The lack of mental health facilities
The law needs to change! Why does someone have to be physically attacked before anything is ever done! I hope the positive from this horrific incident is that the law is changed! NAME N SHAME TOO
Given the number of pillows used as a murder weapon, pillows ought to be licenced and police officers ought to make regular home visits to inspect them. UK logic.
Unacceptable to anyone, unless you think triple murders are ok if the victims are men.
What?
Disgraceful thing to say and blame Men ? Of course theres bad men and bad women but how dare you blame Men ? Don't you think it's something to do with society as I'm not that religious but we were taught the basic Moral's to live by in the 70"s etc but there are no guide lines anymore and now lot's of different cultures who don't treasure us women .
I will always respect and appreciate the women around me ❤
What about the unacceptable behaviour towards men? And babies? By women? Oh wait, that’s deemed entirely acceptable. Don’t expect things to change with this kind of poisonous rhetoric.
Crazy how much the media wants to use a tragedy to drive us all further all part. “The problem is men” god what an intentionally inflammatory stupid statement. This is a tragedy and certainly a part of a wider problem with abuse rates nowadays and my thoughts go out to all women affected, especially those who lost their lives in this tragedy. Let’s mourn and send condolences and not be turned against eachother by stupid rage bait
Women and the media talking about men as if they are one entity and that each man is responsible for the actions of small proportion of violent men. It's a moronic take. I never hear any solutions proposed either, just playing the second-hand victim role.
Women and “the media”… so women and men
“Unacceptable Behaviour Towards Women!” - so it IS acceptable behaviour towards men then?
I'm surprised they havnt yet blamed porn.
It's undeniably true that adding more men from north Africa will improve this issue.
Banning Crossbows because of the action of one man. Forget it.
Because you don't care!
To anyone who says men are the problem, let me ask you this........Do you live in a house/apartment? Do you have a plumbing system in your home? Do you drive a car? Do you work in a building? Do you have freedom? Yes to all/some of those?...........Well guess what..........it was MEN.....yes MEN, who built and maintained all of those things. MEN built the home you live in, MEN built the car you drive and the roads you drive on, MEN installed the plumbing system in your home, MEN fought and died in wars so that you could have your freedom. MEN build the world, and yes there are a minority of women that do those things but MEN far outweigh women in all of those things that keep the world ticking. So before you go off slating men, just remember all of those things that you have that MEN gave you!
Dayum, ah luv the smell of testosterone in the morning
Physcos are exactly that, trying to turn it into a "men v women" thing is pretty pathetic.
it is a male that allegedly killed women. It is male entitlement and dominense over women.He hated women.
Can we stop the mysogenistic culture narrative. I have found your copper normally quite practical. There are men and women in the country, both do bad things. Men do it physically, wlomen reputationally, whichbdestroys lives as well.
Bad upbringing, indulgence, self absorption,pandering to kids, woke self indulgence in schools, no respect, no consequences during school for bad actions, all have a role to play. If we sort that out, there will be fewer monsters around. There have always been and always be monsters who should be locked up for longer and not be pandered to, victims first.
Even though I do speak up for men in regards to the issues that we face, I do have to admit, this incident has made me realise that violence against women is indeed a serious issue and it is in fact us men that are the problem. Those three women didn't deserve this 😪
you can kill a person with a pillow are u going to ban pillows . the problem
is other here but nobody want to talk about it
It's like me saying misandry culture has taken a all time high and woman are the problem.
Theres good and bad people everywhere regardless of gender. Stop blaming men. Not all men are like this.
None of them should be. Who else can we blame but the men responsible?
I am surprised to hear from this ex police officer to say the problem is Men , what about the women who have committed murders on Men , it's never One Sided there's always 2 side of the story, I have known certain individuals where they painted the husband or boyfriend as a devil and had no choice but Kill and be free from their domestic relationship, Only to find out it was the womand fault and most women nowadays have worked out the system and abuse it, Yes there are legitimate cases and it is sad and I do agree if it's a domestic issue he should have walked away instead of doing this horrendous crime, this is only my opinion, my deepest condolences to the family.
maless are more violent, sexually dominent, have high testoterone, hate women , very different
I am glad i am single and happy and don't need a man or s woman , i need to just feel happy and that only happens being on my own. This puts me off ever changing my mind,
Psycho peope who can't take rejection killing others and their family.
I can't imagine the pain John Hunt and his family are going through, i just cannot even begin to think..
just watching this video just confirms why I fear alpha male men.