RC Plane advice for BEGINNERS!

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024

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  • @donaldmedeiros
    @donaldmedeiros Год назад +187

    Sweet tips, wish more people understood RC nuts!!!!!

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  Год назад +21

      Thanks! 👍

    • @BillyR1968
      @BillyR1968 Год назад +1

      I learned on a 3 channel glider. I bought a 4 channel. My brain and thumb have no idea what they're doing. Help !!! Please !!! I can't afford to keep crashing while I learn. Any suggestions?
      Thank you

    • @hotheadedfilmshhf6734
      @hotheadedfilmshhf6734 Год назад +1

      @@BillyR1968 Dude he gave you the suggestion in the video. Get one of these foam $120 planes and learn 4 channels with it. You can crash those rage rc mini war birds pretty had.

    • @SRTSANDSCATS
      @SRTSANDSCATS Год назад

      @@Jays_rcgaragewhere can you get these?

    • @davidlewis2626
      @davidlewis2626 Год назад

      ​@@BillyR1968Join a club.

  • @gscott5778
    @gscott5778 Год назад +5

    1) A UMX (800mm wingspan or less) like that spitfire is a sure fire way to frustrate a beginner. They need a bigger plane preferably with larger tires and a forgiving gear suspension to absorb those rough landings. Aero Scout, Apprentice, Ranger etc. Built with the beginner in mind.
    2) The gyro alone does not auto level a plane. It assists in overcoming the gusts of wind and smoothing out flight. A system like “SAFE” has the auto leveling and bank/climb angle limits that a beginner needs for those first flights.
    3) And you failed to mention investing in a good flight simulation program, one that lets you use your actual transmitter so you get the feel of YOUR real controls. Crashes are a part of learning but having them on a simulator is a lot better.
    Good effort but not the right info for a beginner. You were right about buying an RTF plane for your first trainer, just make sure it has a real assistance program like SAFE to help beginners.

  • @Mike-ff7ib
    @Mike-ff7ib Год назад +54

    Small planes are hard to fly. They are to sensitive or responsive. A plane with a high wing with a large dihedral is a good plane to train on. A .40 size high wing trainer is a good size to train on also. The lager size is easier to see what the plane is doing from a distance instead of a small speck in the sky. Its also a good idea to train on a rc simulator to learn how to control the plane when its flying towards you.

    • @jadenwracing8176
      @jadenwracing8176 7 месяцев назад +1

      I agree, I think big planes are just intimidating. Once you get over it, they are awesome. I fly a 1440mm

    • @KevinFinlay-ce4ki
      @KevinFinlay-ce4ki 2 месяца назад

      ​@@jadenwracing8176 nice

  • @thesoldier8477
    @thesoldier8477 7 месяцев назад +2

    A lot of comments saying these aren’t great for beginners I beg to differ
    The main selling point is the smaller warbirds can be crashed over and over and they’re affordable. They come with everything ready to go.
    They can also pretty much be flown anywhere outside, and the switch lets you change the gyro assistance as you get better flying

  • @LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS
    @LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS 11 месяцев назад +8

    I tell anyone who wants to get into RC that they should absolutely start with a simulator. Something like real flight. It is legit a fantastic way to learn without loosing money crashing all the time. It’s not as exciting as real life but trust me it’s the best way.

    • @main_manny3226
      @main_manny3226 5 месяцев назад +2

      Learned by playing regular video games. Picked up a plane for the first time and honestly felt just like it. I played alot of war thunder lol

    • @puebespuebes8589
      @puebespuebes8589 3 месяца назад

      ​@@main_manny3226idk if i can fly a RC d520 as well as in warthunder

  • @donaldcarlson-dr8tw
    @donaldcarlson-dr8tw Год назад +5

    a smaller plane imo is tougher to fly because the get out of sight to fast and a spitfire will stall and drop a wing when slowed so stall speed is learned so I learned to land is the most important thing to learn . I learned on a trainer hywing called the Apprentice it is very stable and easier to see further out and also has a gyro and stabilization if you get into trouble it is very stable and lands very easily ...oh the apprentice is made by E Flight it is foam and made very tough a 4 channel radio will work fine !

  • @EJ-74
    @EJ-74 Год назад +22

    AeroScout was my first plane a couple years ago. I still have it and it still flys great.

    • @GeorgeFloyd2
      @GeorgeFloyd2 Год назад

      do not start on that small scale, it’s not worth spending $ on that when you can get a stage 1 trainer from eflite

  • @atticusrallye702
    @atticusrallye702 Год назад +6

    I got my first less than a month ago, the Sport Cub S2. It's a great little plane and I highly, highly recommend it to anyone wanting to have an easy, fun entrance to this hobby. I intend to get the Carbon Cub S2 as well soon, because I like that it is bigger and handles wind better

    • @josiah1435
      @josiah1435 Год назад

      I would recommend getting the z cub if you can afford it because it's way bigger and can do more aerobatic flying

    • @jdp21211
      @jdp21211 Год назад

      Same because I have the horizon hobby sport cub s2 with floats and I wanna upgrade to a Timber or a carbon

  • @THEGOGETTERSINVEST
    @THEGOGETTERSINVEST 7 месяцев назад

    Literally the best beginner plane ever whole series is nice

  • @AllConsumingJAWS
    @AllConsumingJAWS 11 месяцев назад

    Great choice. 👍 I have the BF 109 great plan to start with. With the three flight modes beginner, intermediate, and expert so as you progress it gives you the ability to become a better pilot. Eachine, Volantex and Rage rc there are many options to choose from. Have fun, get out there, and learn to fly. 👍

  • @MrShrek23000
    @MrShrek23000 9 месяцев назад

    After watching alot of videos I just got the fms 1220mm ranger as a rtf so I'm set! I was hooked before I even got a plane! Lol I already fly paramotors so this is a perfect hobby to add to the list

  • @christjoeng
    @christjoeng 7 месяцев назад

    A lot if beginners want to start with a beautiful scale model. I get that, but thats not what u need when starting. Get the Aeroscout in the 1.2m version. It handles great, has all controls u need and can even do rolls and loopings pretty good once u get the hang of it. The propeller is in the back so you don't break it that easy and it has big wheels. I still fly one beside my other models after being in the hobby for 10 years.

  • @BuildYourOwnRC
    @BuildYourOwnRC 5 месяцев назад

    Best to learn with a mid sized high wing plane with some dihedral. This will teach them to "Fly" the plane and not just control it! Really get a feel for it. Smaller planes are too twitchy.
    All in all it does depend on how serious you are at getting into the hobby.

  • @nomore8042
    @nomore8042 7 месяцев назад

    I'm a beginner and I have 2 planes. A 12mm Ranger RTF and a Habu STS 70mm EDF RTF. However, the best thing that I can recommend is the Real Flight software and Dongle for a computer. The radio that comes with the Habu works well with your computer. Learn to fly there first.

  • @nroderick1976
    @nroderick1976 10 месяцев назад

    trying to get into planes as we speak perfect video i needed

  • @jimmcnally2524
    @jimmcnally2524 4 месяца назад

    I argue that a bigger plane is more forgiving and easier to see. I started with 2 M gliders. It forced me to anticipate the next move and became very helpful in building muscle memory. This was back when you had to build them up from balsa so we were less aggressive with our first flights.

  • @michaelgrantham1871
    @michaelgrantham1871 11 месяцев назад

    I learned almost 40 years ago on a Great Planes PT-20, flat bottom airfoil gasser. As small as it was, it was a tad larger than that teensy thing.

  • @ikyunga
    @ikyunga 7 месяцев назад

    I have that exact rc spitfire. It flies great!

  • @kari53
    @kari53 5 месяцев назад

    My first plane had a ten foot wing span. Then when I tried to fly smaller planes it was super difficult as the rotated and pitched so quickly.
    Now everthing has gyros which makes flying scale helis and planes more enjoyable.

  • @Planelover12
    @Planelover12 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the tips now I know what to aim for

  • @polsanlebmx
    @polsanlebmx 8 месяцев назад

    I recently started with RC planes, and I started with that same Mustang, same controller, everything. I can tell this is a hell of a plane, very resistant to impacts and super easy to fly. Literally you could fly one of those with 0 experience.

  • @joshrandall3632
    @joshrandall3632 8 месяцев назад

    Good advice, mostly.
    Small planes are not the way to go. They are more sensitive and "squirelly" even with stabilization. They are also harder to see and harder to tell the orientation.
    Beginners, get a plane at least 40" wingspan that says "TRAINER" or "BEGINNER" on the box. Also get a simulator and watch some videos before going out on a windless day for your first flight.

  • @mrvoyagerm
    @mrvoyagerm Год назад +3

    The best beginner plane is something like a Sig Kadet or Seniorita. You can get them ARF nowdays and the Seniorita comes with an electric motor for simplicity. Of course they are three channel but you just have to mix rudder to aileron 100% and fly like a 4 channel.

    • @johnorabone6112
      @johnorabone6112 Год назад +1

      Exactly . This guy is off his rocker. They are now 4 channel.

    • @texastyrannyresponseteam794
      @texastyrannyresponseteam794 Год назад

      @@johnorabone6112 yeah.. this BOZO is giving the worst advice ever.. he's a novice himself..

  • @Tankdacota11
    @Tankdacota11 Год назад +1

    Rage rc makes a great beginner warbird ready to fly and it's so easy to fly my 10 year old cousins can fly them and I still fly my mustang even after I bought my p51 1.2m

  • @FarmerFpv
    @FarmerFpv 3 месяца назад

    I would sugest a bigger plane like a 1.2 meter high wing trainer. The small planes will frustrat a beginner and it would be tough to keep orientation. A flight simulator is another thing i would suggest. A huge field with no obstacles. Plenty of big high wing trainers with safe technology.

  • @SkidzFPV
    @SkidzFPV 2 года назад +5

    I definitely wouldn’t think of a spitfire as a beginner plane. But I started when there was no gyros and no electric planes, well they tried with brushed motors and nicad’s but they where terribly over weight and under powered, so it was built up balsa and monokote, a nitro engine and a 72 MHz radio, but a good way to learn with a good high wing airframe

  • @runforitman
    @runforitman Год назад +1

    I've been looking for that icon a5 model
    I am still mad at myself for not getting it years ago when it was in the local hobby shop

  • @thehunter3677
    @thehunter3677 2 года назад +12

    That actually helps alot thanks man

  • @free-birdrocker8809
    @free-birdrocker8809 2 года назад +1

    S2 sporty cub, it will always fly and never let you down. Best rc bird of all time.

  • @peterhawkins7130
    @peterhawkins7130 9 месяцев назад

    Best beginning planes were my best.

  • @meaghanmcauley1010
    @meaghanmcauley1010 Год назад

    I would've hoped or thought by now they would've simplified it so that the Left controller would do up/down left and right and the right controller would do forward movement so the throttle for speed and the down on the left would also put the landing gear down! Once the plane has reached a stable height landing gear gets retracted automatically!

  • @blainesworld6404
    @blainesworld6404 Год назад

    I picked the rage rc warhawk and i am loads of fun.

  • @dadsrcwaffles
    @dadsrcwaffles Год назад

    I love your videos. Keep up the good work

  • @manoelgoncalves4151
    @manoelgoncalves4151 2 года назад +23

    My dream garage!!! 😍

  • @cdnbcn6164
    @cdnbcn6164 10 месяцев назад

    Those were all my questions answered. Thank you. I hope to be flying fpv one day. ✌🏻

  • @robyprentiss2021
    @robyprentiss2021 Год назад

    I learned on a top flat bottom wing 3 channel. ....the stick is also a great plane

  • @Cakey831
    @Cakey831 11 месяцев назад

    I can’t praise umx planes enough. For a beginner they are much less intimidating, and the eflite umx line flies just like the bigger versions, but the only down side is the needed transmitter. Those RTF lil warbirds are perfect for that reason. It has all you need, and doesn’t break the bank.

  • @todtalk3912
    @todtalk3912 Год назад

    I have that sukhoi 29mm 1.1m eflight.
    I think thats one of eflights greatest (beginner) 3d plane. There is technically better umx size 3d planes over the years.
    This is a fantastic plane is panic mode to save ur mistakes.

  • @WarTinder99
    @WarTinder99 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wish I could recommend that
    I am like 3 days into the flying community and I have that exact brand the P47 and I tried landing and I broke the propeller, but other wise it is a good plane. But the propellers are trash

  • @airwaffle
    @airwaffle Год назад +1

    I have the spitfire and it’s the best plane ever!

  • @LoganLigsay
    @LoganLigsay День назад

    i got a p-51 mustang from volantex and its a great way to move on from 2 channel like that one chinese rc plane

  • @fliegerdefunes7758
    @fliegerdefunes7758 2 года назад +3

    Gyros are cool and all but a simple 3 channel motorglider like an og easystar is better for beginners in my opinion.

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  2 года назад +2

      I use to feel like that, until I flew these new planes.. They really are amazing. I’m not sponsored or anything. I just really enjoy them. Let me 11 year old niece crash and cash them and they hold up great

    • @fliegerdefunes7758
      @fliegerdefunes7758 2 года назад

      @@Jays_rcgarage Okay to be fair I never flew these lil planes cause I fly in mode1. :)

  • @Steelmage99
    @Steelmage99 Год назад +58

    Don't start with a fighter with it's wings beneath the body of the plane.
    Start with a simple trainer with it's wings above the body.
    You are welcome.

    • @trollxient
      @trollxient 11 месяцев назад

      I buyed a A380 first and im experinced now:/

    • @brobearbrobear0464
      @brobearbrobear0464 11 месяцев назад

      I'd recommend a Vapor/Night Vapor or Sport Cub. That's what someone recommended me and they both fly great. Added bonus is they can work as indoor fliers too

    • @Sean-nj3hx
      @Sean-nj3hx 11 месяцев назад +1

      I got a mustang having never flown a plane before and I thought it was extremely easy right away

    • @Steelmage99
      @Steelmage99 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Sean-nj3hx Good for you.

    • @usernameisusername
      @usernameisusername 4 месяца назад

      Why?

  • @danaandrews1961
    @danaandrews1961 7 месяцев назад

    Great advice thanks

  • @Gasolineworld
    @Gasolineworld Год назад

    The horizon hobby Sport cub or the VOLANTEX red sport cub are the easiest, beginner friendly planes I have ever come across. They are both 4 channel with a built in Gyro...

  • @harrisp584
    @harrisp584 10 месяцев назад

    Is that a unicycle back there? Hell yeah. Being able to ride a unicycle is such a back pocket flex. You’ll never know when you’ll come across one in public and then just pretend to be like “oh wow let me try I’ve never ridden one of these before” and then just take off on it and literally impress everyone around you haha

  • @admiral_alman8671
    @admiral_alman8671 Год назад +2

    All kinds of styrofoam pusher propeller sailplanes are also great because it’s hard to break them

  • @oliverthomas373
    @oliverthomas373 8 месяцев назад

    I have this plane, and I've called it Kiwi and it has the markings of KL B who has a Kiwi (from New Zealand) pilot.

  • @MH-nl6xr
    @MH-nl6xr 6 месяцев назад

    Hello. What do you recommend as a gyro? Something i can buy online and can use easilly.
    Thanks man. Huge fan

  • @chargelead9429
    @chargelead9429 Год назад

    I’d love to see a tour of your Rc collection!

  • @FatherOshai
    @FatherOshai Год назад

    Do you have to purchase the electronics first e.g the Receiver & Motors etc... ? Or can you start building the plane first?
    Your advice will be highly appreciated, thank you

  • @Footballedits_chelsea
    @Footballedits_chelsea Год назад

    I also have that plane it’s charging in my living room right now!

  • @LORDFuwatti
    @LORDFuwatti Год назад

    Wow thanks for the tips I've been wanting to fly an rc plane and this might really help 😅

  • @Cobra_kai558
    @Cobra_kai558 2 месяца назад

    I know that you will never see this message but i really love your videos you inspired me a lot hope you see this message

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  2 месяца назад

      I see a lot 👀 thanks !!!!🙏🏼

  • @jordancoleman2402
    @jordancoleman2402 11 месяцев назад

    I have all kinds large and small and have collected almost all of those little 400mm warbirds.

  • @Dextergolfs
    @Dextergolfs 3 месяца назад +1

    Is the horizon hobby p-51 mustang rtf a good starter?

  • @Inderpal_jabbal
    @Inderpal_jabbal Год назад

    Amazing models. I live in India, how can I buy these models and what is the approximate cost ?

  • @Orchardcommonceramics
    @Orchardcommonceramics Месяц назад

    Nice one! Got a link to buy the starter plane? ✈️

  • @RubyS.1
    @RubyS.1 2 года назад +1

    Uh oh here comes the gyro no gyro debate. Whatever gets you flying and keeps you in the hobby I think. If it's really fast I use a gyro if it's slow I put a 20$ rx in it and call it a day. But I'm always flying something either way.

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  2 года назад +1

      Lol I like the debate, I hate the hobby bully’s. I tell them to bring their plane to the field and let me 11 year old niece fly it 🤣

    • @RubyS.1
      @RubyS.1 2 года назад

      @@Jays_rcgarage pretty sure my dad's a closet hobby bully. If it's not balsa and a glider he don't like it, pretends he does but I see right through it. Probably out looking for his high start right now. :)

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  2 года назад

      @@RubyS.1 🤣 maaaaaaaaan

  • @thomashoekstra2933
    @thomashoekstra2933 Год назад

    thanks for the tip i have bhought a rc plane a week ago ago and i hope it stil works it was a pre owned one but never used

  • @rocketcityastro
    @rocketcityastro 6 месяцев назад

    Don't go too small i see a lot of new pilots with super lights try to go out on a windy day and they loose it to the wind. I think a foamboard flight test trainer would be the best starter.

  • @nenep5695
    @nenep5695 2 года назад

    I think the best way to learn is by using a powered glider
    Mine was pretty big, like 1.5m, and it was pretty slow so controlling it was easy (i forgot the name of it)
    After 31 crashes, it's still flying well, and i customized it a little so now the full elevator can rotate
    Edit: another way of learning is using a rc flight sim. I recommend Picasim because it's free, can run on potato pc, and the flight physics are great.
    Edit 2: i remember the name of my first plane, it's an Eflite Conscendo 1.5m (not the evolution one)
    I'm french so sorry for my bad english

  • @N_aka_tarzan
    @N_aka_tarzan 9 месяцев назад +1

    what’s the name of your rc airliner

  • @AviationEditz84
    @AviationEditz84 4 дня назад +1

    Could you tell me the name of that spitfire? Or the link? Thanks

  • @solvend
    @solvend Год назад

    So far my favorite is my fpv quads. Had a couple wings and yank/bank got boring.

  • @jameslowe4729
    @jameslowe4729 Год назад

    What would you recommend for someone who wants to use controls similar to a game controller

  • @96vmax4
    @96vmax4 Год назад

    That sig extra 300xs was my first large plane. Very cool but odd stall tendencies when over powered

  • @TomatoTatoPotato
    @TomatoTatoPotato Год назад

    Dang that porsche was hot☕

  • @braedenanthony3200
    @braedenanthony3200 Год назад

    just bought my first 4 channel, i had a 2 channel but im stepping it up

  • @TheXanthoman
    @TheXanthoman Год назад

    Since its a short there is no time stamp but about 1/4 of the way through there is a high wing plane with a red and white body with a black stripe down the side and a red and white horizontaly striped tail . I would be interested in knowing what kind of plane that is ? Thanks

  • @DetelinaGeorgieva-k1z
    @DetelinaGeorgieva-k1z Год назад

    Good collections

  • @dericktucker7707
    @dericktucker7707 4 месяца назад

    Firmly believe in the Cabon Cub s2 as a starter plane.

  • @Dirtbikekid122
    @Dirtbikekid122 2 месяца назад

    An aeros scout is super good to it is super easy to fly

  • @sw3rve159
    @sw3rve159 Год назад

    I’ve seen that on Amazon and I might get it soon

  • @NDL19
    @NDL19 Год назад

    So wait, how much did it cost you to buy the spitfire? I'm trying to get an RC Airplane but idk what to get.

  • @nnwwjj77j48
    @nnwwjj77j48 Год назад

    Thx for the tip

  • @marklengal9990
    @marklengal9990 Год назад

    Would it be better to get a 6 or 8 to grow into? I bought my first plane ( top gun ) last year. Haven’t flown yet

  • @kiaraleiba
    @kiaraleiba 2 года назад

    Wow que hermoso hobby siempre eh soñado con volar un rc saludos desde buenos aires

  • @zedbunny4729
    @zedbunny4729 11 месяцев назад

    What scale do you recommend for beginners?

  • @P47-i4u
    @P47-i4u Год назад

    Find a club and learn to fly on the club trainer. No-one will honestly tell you to buy something that small, that doesn't have some dihedral which helps levelling without additional electronics.

  • @Korbanza
    @Korbanza 11 месяцев назад

    You should also recommend e flight I didn’t have no knowledge of flying RC planes so I played for about a week on e flight went to an RC field took off, flew round and landed. Told the guy next to me saying can you believe that’s the first time I flew a RC plane lol

  • @basyamuchestboli6469
    @basyamuchestboli6469 Год назад

    Where did you get the ICON plane? Very nice!

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  Год назад

      It’s a old discontinued E-Flite. Had it for yesrs

  • @Charliegamesttv
    @Charliegamesttv Год назад

    I got a habu 70mm for my first plane and first flight I crashed it into the fence, east fix but always have some experienced with you and practice

  • @jasonng8599
    @jasonng8599 5 месяцев назад

    Ok yes thanks but I have never flown a rc plane and really want to. You said the airliner planes are great but has 3 channel. Should I get the aircar a380 you showed in the video as a beginner? And also does that one have gyro?

    • @Rokinbokinstudios
      @Rokinbokinstudios 4 месяца назад

      Get an aeroscout as your first plane. You need to have the mentality that you WILL break your first plane. Get the airliner when you are better

  • @beagleboy5343
    @beagleboy5343 Год назад

    Do you have problems with the propeller popping out with the spitfire?

  • @stopmotionguy312
    @stopmotionguy312 Год назад +1

    I recommend something like a hard Styrofoam plane that is around 20 pounds, I really liked mine 👍

  • @danstubbs5032
    @danstubbs5032 Год назад +1

    Just got the P-51 like the spit.

  • @ThomasBellard-i5d
    @ThomasBellard-i5d Год назад

    That big cargo plane is the one that my dad has

  • @Godzilla_edits2010
    @Godzilla_edits2010 7 месяцев назад

    A10 is a good one

  • @GuadalupeCruz-lt2pw
    @GuadalupeCruz-lt2pw 2 месяца назад

    Question can you review the fx9630 j 20?

  • @russwrestler1003
    @russwrestler1003 Год назад

    that spitfire cool

  • @TaiwanBobby
    @TaiwanBobby Год назад

    Top wing plane is the best and most stable.

  • @hybrid2.031
    @hybrid2.031 Год назад

    How do you make or get your own remote for the rc jet you’re making?

  • @mikefm4
    @mikefm4 Год назад

    Perfect! No there’s just that minor money problem 🤔

    • @hotheadedfilmshhf6734
      @hotheadedfilmshhf6734 Год назад

      These tiny ones are only about 100 bucks to 120 bucks comes with everything you need

  • @ormondsworld3947
    @ormondsworld3947 Год назад +1

    Start small:
    Proceeds to make a 747-8 and A380

  • @EddiXP
    @EddiXP Год назад

    Very cool

  • @andrewwillard5625
    @andrewwillard5625 2 года назад +1

    hands down agree it’s the Volantex Rc rtf planes from Amazon come with 6 axis gyro makes it so a child could use it my first day out had pros asking me what the plane was and how long I was flying when I told them it was my first day I knew I got the right plane. Get the F22 if your getting into it flies the best considering it’s a flying wing.

    • @Jays_rcgarage
      @Jays_rcgarage  2 года назад

      I love the F22. I fly it all the time !!

  • @mrbeanisog
    @mrbeanisog 7 месяцев назад +1

    i subbed

  • @FZERO20
    @FZERO20 Год назад

    I’m more into cars but have always wanted to start flying once I got the funds to do so but my dumb ass thought the gyro on the plane was to prevent it from flying upwards or downwards 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

  • @centeralskateboarding8390
    @centeralskateboarding8390 2 года назад

    The edge 430 is pretty good

    • @SkidzFPV
      @SkidzFPV 2 года назад

      You mean edge 540, I must have missed that one, unless what I thought was an extra was an edge, they are similar