I work for a dealership. We literally have 10 electric vehicles that we have had for 3 months that no one is even looking at. We spent over a million dollars in EV chargers and had zero people show up to charge.
I was shopping BEV 10 months ago, the Ford dealers I visited were adding huge dealer markups and had little stock, the KIA/Hyundai dealers couldn't give any delivery date and would not sell at the the manufacturers published prices even if they had stock. A few Kia EV6 models were being sold as used and probably were in fact dealer demos priced at thousands more than new orders. Tesla on the other hand offered no haggle internet pricing and could confirm delivery date however the model I wanted was not available (Model 3 LR AWD) so i bought a used 2022 with some desirable extras (extra wheels, snow tires, fitted mats, PPF) for less than new price. The dealer experience plus the price gouging left a sour taste and they have permanently lost future buisness because of it. Moral of the story build a good product, offer a fair price, don't screw over your customers just because you can and be happy about it.
Legacy auto needs to up their game if they want to compete with Tesla. Why would anyone choose a half baked EV from a dealership when they can purchase a superior vehicle from Tesla for less money?
I'm shopping in Edmonton and I see a 2019 Kona EV with 90k kms for $47k or a 2019 LEAF standard range with 118k km for $28k. I'm cherry picking the most egregious I can find here, but no wonder people aren't looking! These stealerships have rocks in their heads.
Scaring people is the easiest way for politicians to get public and media attention. This is almost as sleazy as characterizing their opponents as incompetent or criminal. Informative posts like yours, blow away some of the stink they cause, and allow people like me to breath easy. Please make more content about issues that make politicians and media get ugly. I like technology and economics stuff also. Well done!
I have and it's nasty when it does happen. But it is ridiculously rare. Combustion-Powered Vehicles Are 29 Times More Likely To Catch Fire. According to MSB data, there are nearly 611,000 EVs and hybrids in Sweden as of 2022. With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there's a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire.Jul 11, 2023
@@PyroShields and there’s you’re problem in life right there. You’re assumption of me demonstrates you lack critical thinking and further investigation skills. You want something to be true, that isn’t, so you attack the source of the truth rather than PROVIDE EVIDENCE
@@borntobemild- You lost your credibility when you told the commenter to do a YT search. YT videos are not based on facts, it's up to you to do the research.
Who needs fire departments when we can just call the Tesla hotline for battery fire emergencies? Just kidding! But you're right, we need to make sure our infrastructure is ready for the rise of electric cars.
This is simply an anti-BEV talking point. Do you any experience to back it up? Do you have any data to back it up? Where did you hear this and from whom? My experience is the opposite of what you claim at least as far a Tesla ownership shows.
@@richardcalon3724EV Fanboy coping is off the charts you know damn well Battery operation is severely diminished in the cold stop lying to yourself and others. Why not you show us your source and I don't want one of the manufacturers brochures
Yes EV range sucks in cold. But they'll function but it'll be hell the more charging needed. I'm in MN and I go to Paris and Lyon to warm up in February, -20 for 40 F seems like paradise. Winnipeg will be crazy hard to do EV, 300 mile range will be 150 for 3 months, makes life much harder to those already near suicidal from winter. . Wow it will suck. .. The 30milllion in arctic cold in Canada and MN and Alaska should get exemption, -20 for months is different than what Europe gets where ocean keeps temps above freezing even night except for 1 month.... Winnipeg is not Paris or Stockholm, look at climate charts, it's colder than frigging Moscow!!!!.. Has Trudeau ever tent camped in winter Alberta - I have..... If EV batt does freeze is it ruined???????
Nice try bozo but I didn't make any claims, I simply asked where the commenter got his information from so I don't have to show you anything. I have driven my car from Alberta to Vancouver in winter and parked it outside at minus 20C and it still charged which admittedly is not minus 40C but that is what the outside temperature was. I suspect many ICE vehicles would have a hard time being parked without a block heater at that kind of temperature. You do realize that most BEVs have thermal management provisions to heat the battery so charging can more easily be done at low temperatures or perhaps not. In any event same question to you do you have any first hand experience? Do you have any data?@@yourgooglemeister6745
Most Canadians are in colder temps than Europe, so expect awful range losses. Yes Vancouver is excception. But Toronto is like Moscow. Honestly Alaska and Canada should skip EVs and be green other ways. I was raised in Minnesota and learned wow MN and Winnipeg are ARCTIC w rivers freezing 6ft in spots, while NY and Denmark to me are warm paradise at 25 F in January not -25 I'm use to ... Frankly EV will be misery in Alaska and MN and most Canada, half the range 5 months is major nightmare .. . It's like banning AC, Florida and Houston would suffer extra from that, hellish temps matter and no all are mild Netherlands...
Norway is pretty cold and 80% of new sales are EVs. I grew up in Manitoba and also lived in Toronto and I can tell you that Toronto is not like Moscow. All the same, I don't see EVs being any more of an issue in Manitoba than ICE cars are. They both should be plugged in. You lose some range but if you have ever driven an EV on a regular basis, you figure out that is not a big deal. You end up with a range of 360kms instead of 400km. Most people don't drive over 100km in a day. You can also buy longer range cars. Cars by 2035 will have much longer range, much shorter charging times, have cheaper batteries etc. Currently it is not issue and things are only getting better.
I was wrong, Toronto is not Moscow temps. But Winnipeg to Alberta and US Upper Midwest 100% is Moscow temps. In January the weatherspark climate webpage says Winnipeg average is -2 F, Moscow is 10, Toronto 18, Oslo is 20, and Paris is 40 F. . . . . As Minnesotan I've noticed Iowa winter is quite warmer, we have snow 5 months and then it melts and it's mud. Norway EVs does NOT show EVs work in nearArctic. .. . . Norway also subsidizes each EV with $25,000 tax exemption plus they can be driven and parked downtown. Norway is ending this and sales fell, and overall 80% of cars on Norway roads are NOT EV, so people still use normal car as main car if they want...... Just saying it will be much harder for some, and expect anger. After 5 months of winter I am almost suicidal, EVs will make it harder, so wow I will be angry next decade to save 4% of our emissions.... Again, Winnipeg is much colder than Oslo or anyplace theyve been tried, it may be total frigging nightmare there. Nunanvik, Alaska will go EV, no...... . . . .. .. Sigh. In MN we head west from Mankato valley over the plateau to New Ulm, and we know wind can rise and blow cars into ditch for 2 days till plowed and towed when wind dies, with troopers dropping off gasoline. Wind is random. With EVs there may be deaths from this, we still lose a person each decade already it's awful in Feb....... So bull that Norway proves MN and Winnipeg can do EVs.... All for 4% cut in emissions... Skipping covering prairie temps are much lower is bad journalism, Canadian should know better.... Sorry I've thought hard about why the F do Minnesota and Winnipeg live there and answer is they Barely can, so this may push many over their endurance... Fun to ramble.. Fun to see the arrogance..
@@mostlyguesses8385 EVs operate just fine in Winnipeg. If you didn’t know, cars at -40 have a hard time if they are ICE. Yes, car sells in Norway are 80% new. EVs. That is what I said. I say or imply otherwise. Did you account for all the people that die in winter in ICE cars? They die both from freezing and carbon monoxide poisoning. Stop pretending that ICE cars are perfect. It is more like a 17% saving on Carbon footprint by switching world wide. It is a key factor in the switch away from FFs. If you didn’t know, energy from renewables can be stored and is less expensive than FFs options.
We re all just talking. If there is proof provide it. 1. Car exhaust seems to kill under 40 a year in US. The stat I found is 400 overall die of co2 poisoning, and they list houses and factories and actually greenhouses as most of that... 2. China sorta showed awful smog still let's people live to 80. You can't claim smog is awful when Chinese live so damn long.... 3. In Winnipeg in winter EV range will be cut in half.. As article quote said "It turns out that driver and passenger comfort actually has a bigger effect on EV range because it takes a lot of power to heat or cool the cabin of an EV in extreme weather conditions. In fact, real-world testing has shown that EV range drops to about 54 percent when the ambient temperature dips to 5 degrees """""" 4. As honest estimate EVs will save 9% co2 in US and 7% in Europe... Based on info down below, light duty cars and trucks overall are 19%. But it DOES costs pollution to make and drive an EV so not all the 19% is saved.. I admit over lifetime counting manufacture they emit half, so 9.5% saving Id guess.. In Europe their vehicles are smaller and driven less, so maybe it's 14% now which if switch to EV becomes 7%........ I'm willing to be green but it's insulting this lie that EVs won't perform badly in nearArctic. If you have a different study provide it, otherwise accept Winnipeg will be 50% range... . . . . In car crashes usually it's impact deaths, I haven't heard that people die of fire after crash.. The fireman are good at snuffing petrol fire if people are trapped. But with an EV the fireman can't stop it so that'll burn up anyone trapped... I'd guess fires kill under 1% so 140 of 14000 accident deaths in nation of 330 million. Horses use to kill far far more, my uncle lost a hand when horse rolled over on this hand.... there use to be hospital wings in NY w head injuries from horse kicks... Cars are very safe.. in UK but just policing their car deaths are 1/4 ours per capita... Petrol cars can be very safe..... """" transportation accounts for about a bit under a third of CO2 emissions in the US (light-duty vehicles account for 60 percent of that)."""". 32% x .6 is 19.2% counting every personal truck and car... FUN TO TALK. BUT FUTURE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS NOT ALL WONDERFUL..
After steam, in the 1940s came diesel electric locomotives. The Toyota Prius was produced starting in 1997 as a gas hybrid. Edison Motors has now built a hybrid logging truck. All 3 of these technologies that have worked for years have had little to no change in the infrastructure because they are all based on existing technologies. But now we run off and want batteries to do the whole job without a backup plan. And that precivilization is a dead end. E VS without infrastructure are basically junk. The whole world is pushing EVS, and now we see that EVS are Catching Fire "literally." So we have a fire hazard and an infrastructure problem, Plus EV sales are dropping like a proverbial rock. When will all of these super smart multinational billionaire corporations Going to figure out that batteries explode and prius,s Get thirty five percent better fuel economy and run forever. Sometimes I think the people who are in the positions to do things aren't good enough to clean my toilet.
I understand your concerns about the infrastructure and safety issues surrounding EVs. It's important for companies to continue innovating and addressing these challenges to make electric vehicles a viable and sustainable option, but I can tell you from personal experience that EV's are great options for 90% of drivers out there right now. Note battery fires in EV's are less of a thing then the media tends to suggest, considering EV's are 29% less likely to catch fire then a gas car.
as of now, I don't see it coming until better battery technology is available. ev are expensive, holds little value, expensive to repair and ensure. In the cold it lose mileage. The newer range extender (nissan epower) out of japan can do ridiculous fuel economy. like 3L/100km, 1200km on one tank. and cost 30k if they ever come to canada. the toyotas we have right now can do 4.5L/100km. how are current ev ever going to compete with that, economically it never make sense.
@@NorthernEVexperience The tech dictate the cost, batteries cannot be produced for cheap currently and it has nothing to do with scale, china is scaled enough, even control the source material, but if you look at the price it is still high. As for carbon footprint, a 52mpg, 4.5L/100km car need to drive 9400km to release 1 ton of co2, a tesla 80kwh battery takes 2.4 to 16 ton of co2 to manufacture depending on material sources.
@@NorthernEVexperience its not like electricity come out of nowhere, In southern ontario where they are building a lot of new houses. blackout still happens in 2023 can you believe that? the grid need to be upgraded too.
Absolutely the grid needs upgrades, but having lived in Ontario and had extensive interactions with Grid operators Toronto Hydro, Ontario Hydro, and Alectra I can tell you the grid issues are from chronic underinvestment and meddling from the Province. In an effort to keep electricity rates artificially low Ontario has constantly cut rate increases which ultimately means that our infrastructure has been degrading for decades. As I have said in several episodes this is an opportunity to make those investments in the grid and fix these long outstanding problems. @@humorss
You can thank Toyota for getting the government to include PHEVs as part of the EV mandate. Toyota has been lobbying governments against EVs because their hybrid business has been highly profitable and they can’t produce compelling EVs that are profitable.
Why are motorcycles, snown machines, jet skis, boats, lawn mowers not mandated? Also, won't mandates make things more expensive? There will be much less market competition until mass production lowers the price?
No because it's fazed in, what other jurisdictions that are ahead of us have shown is mandates bring more selection and competition for the consumer and more volume and predictability for the manufacturer. Meanwhile for the next dozen years you will still be able to buy gas vehicles if you want them and drive them till they die.
I think the world wide adoption trends make the mandates a non-issue. As the charging infrastructure improves along with promised lower priced BEVs there will be no problem reaching the levels the governments are calling for. Owning and driving a Tesla has been a revelation for me . I no longer have range qualms and find the driving experience hugely entertaining even compared to the Corvette and vintage Porsche I also own. I will admit that I am retired so 20 or 30 minute charging times are not as onerous as they would be for someone trying to make maximum miles in a day..
yes it will be more expensive when forced into EV transport the power supply will not be enough and rates will have to go up. they will then add to power supply with higher cost sources of energy.
@@petersaulnier3526 So, once again, the lowest income people will pay higher prices and carry a disproportional load so the elitists can have their EVs.
I have in several other episodes. It really is no big deal, in some of the worst of the older batteries on the coldest of days you can lose 20% of your range, newer and better designs its neglagable difference 5-10%. Also if you don't precondition your battery when fast charging it can slow the process down quite a bit, but if you are level 2 charging it's irrelevant.
18:37 The percentage of EVs being sold in China is irrelevant when you take into consideration where their electricity is coming from. They are rapidly expanding their use of coal-fired power plants to meet their energy needs while pretending to care about the environment.
The EV still has a lower carbon footprint even with coal fire plants powering them. China is also investing heavily in solar, wind, hydro so it is not all just coal powered plants.
@@yodaiam1000 You’re correct that China is investing in renewables, but they still generate over 60% of their energy from coal. Burning coal has the highest carbon footprint out of all energy sources and the air pollution generated by coal-fired power plants is massive. This is the main reason for China’s smog issue.
@@addict8229 Yes, even at 60% it is still has a very much less of a carbon footprint than running cars off of gas. China wants to switch to renewables due to the smog issues (and carbon footprint issues). They will eventually get a higher and higher percentage of renewables.
Yes China also leads the world in Solar installs and is climbing fast on wind as well. It currently has not permitted the construction on any new coal plants after 2025, and is not expected to anymore either. This is less great but they are also building 6-8 nuclear plants every year..
Guilbeaut is pissing away tax dollars he doesn't have to meet impossible goals. Canada accounts for less than 2% of emissions in total. None of this will make any measurable difference. Most of Canada barely has roads.
very true and as I said in another episode Canada's emissions may be low compared to the USA but gigantic compared to Costa Rica. More importantly they are our emissions to deal with not anybody else's, I don't think it's anybody else's job to clean up my mess
I admire your conviction but in my view it is overly simplistic. Only China and US can move the needle on this one and until China is brought into line not much will happen.@@NorthernEVexperience
I am no fan of China for all sorts of reasons, but in the EV space they are knocking it out of the park and they are bringing on more renewable and non emitting energy sources then pretty much the rest of the world combined. While still building some coal plants. It's a weird place what can I say. But I stand by what I said, our emissions are our emissions and we need to own them not pass the buck.@@markbernier8434
The main problem is the development of a grid big enough to supply energy to all the EV cars, and not just money, good luck finding enough professionals willing to move to Canada, look at the Health sector. I think hybrids would reign for a while due to big distances
It's a sticky wicket alright, but I think we can get there in most of the country, Sask and Alberta, could get there but they need to embrace wind, solar, geothermal and Small Modular Reactors.
It's only a 25% increase in 10 years in a worst case scenario. That is less than a 2.5% increase each year. We increased our power grid capacity by over tenfold since the 1950s. EVs can actually help reduce peak demand and the grid capacity is based on peak demand and not average demand. So it is far from the main problem.
Don't know how many Stanley steamers are actually for sale and not sure they burned wood. I understand one advantage was that the pilot flame kept your garage warm at night.@@NorthernEVexperience
I work for a dealership. We literally have 10 electric vehicles that we have had for 3 months that no one is even looking at. We spent over a million dollars in EV chargers and had zero people show up to charge.
Which dealership in what city, because I know people who are looking.
I was shopping BEV 10 months ago, the Ford dealers I visited were adding huge dealer markups and had little stock, the KIA/Hyundai dealers couldn't give any delivery date and would not sell at the the manufacturers published prices even if they had stock. A few Kia EV6 models were being sold as used and probably were in fact dealer demos priced at thousands more than new orders. Tesla on the other hand offered no haggle internet pricing and could confirm delivery date however the model I wanted was not available (Model 3 LR AWD) so i bought a used 2022 with some desirable extras (extra wheels, snow tires, fitted mats, PPF) for less than new price. The dealer experience plus the price gouging left a sour taste and they have permanently lost future buisness because of it. Moral of the story build a good product, offer a fair price, don't screw over your customers just because you can and be happy about it.
Legacy auto needs to up their game if they want to compete with Tesla.
Why would anyone choose a half baked EV from a dealership when they can purchase a superior vehicle from Tesla for less money?
I'm shopping in Edmonton and I see a 2019 Kona EV with 90k kms for $47k or a 2019 LEAF standard range with 118k km for $28k. I'm cherry picking the most egregious I can find here, but no wonder people aren't looking! These stealerships have rocks in their heads.
@@NorthernEVexperience Multiple dealers in the Dallas Texas area.
Scaring people is the easiest way for politicians to get public and media attention. This is almost as sleazy as characterizing their opponents as incompetent or criminal. Informative posts like yours, blow away some of the stink they cause, and allow people like me to breath easy. Please make more content about issues that make politicians and media get ugly. I like technology and economics stuff also. Well done!
Thank you for your comment!
You need to do research on lithium ion thermal runaway. There’s a reason they check our batteries on electric devices before getting on an airplane….
I have and it's nasty when it does happen. But it is ridiculously rare.
Combustion-Powered Vehicles Are 29 Times More Likely To Catch Fire. According to MSB data, there are nearly 611,000 EVs and hybrids in Sweden as of 2022. With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there's a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire.Jul 11, 2023
@@NorthernEVexperience I worked for Tesla. It is not. A simple RUclips search proves you wrong
@@borntobemild- Do you base data from YT videos? LOL. Highly doubt you work for Tesla.
@@PyroShields and there’s you’re problem in life right there. You’re assumption of me demonstrates you lack critical thinking and further investigation skills. You want something to be true, that isn’t, so you attack the source of the truth rather than PROVIDE EVIDENCE
@@borntobemild- You lost your credibility when you told the commenter to do a YT search. YT videos are not based on facts, it's up to you to do the research.
Screw this mandate we don’t even have a grid that can charge all these cars or fire departments equipped for the battery fires.
Who needs fire departments when we can just call the Tesla hotline for battery fire emergencies? Just kidding! But you're right, we need to make sure our infrastructure is ready for the rise of electric cars.
@@NorthernEVexperience we are all cart with no horse.
This is all bullshit anyway let’s skip all the infrastructure and stick with liquid fuel. !!!!
Isn't that the idea behind a "Horseless Carriage"@@BNBsBrainCancerJourney
crazy because in Canada it gets cold af and charging an EV in very cold conditions is next to impossible
This is simply an anti-BEV talking point. Do you any experience to back it up? Do you have any data to back it up? Where did you hear this and from whom? My experience is the opposite of what you claim at least as far a Tesla ownership shows.
I would agree, the cold does mean your car needs the ability to pre-condition to speed things up, but either way they still charge.
@@richardcalon3724EV Fanboy coping is off the charts you know damn well Battery operation is severely diminished in the cold stop lying to yourself and others. Why not you show us your source and I don't want one of the manufacturers brochures
Yes EV range sucks in cold. But they'll function but it'll be hell the more charging needed. I'm in MN and I go to Paris and Lyon to warm up in February, -20 for 40 F seems like paradise. Winnipeg will be crazy hard to do EV, 300 mile range will be 150 for 3 months, makes life much harder to those already near suicidal from winter. . Wow it will suck. .. The 30milllion in arctic cold in Canada and MN and Alaska should get exemption, -20 for months is different than what Europe gets where ocean keeps temps above freezing even night except for 1 month.... Winnipeg is not Paris or Stockholm, look at climate charts, it's colder than frigging Moscow!!!!.. Has Trudeau ever tent camped in winter Alberta - I have..... If EV batt does freeze is it ruined???????
Nice try bozo but I didn't make any claims, I simply asked where the commenter got his information from so I don't have to show you anything. I have driven my car from Alberta to Vancouver in winter and parked it outside at minus 20C and it still charged which admittedly is not minus 40C but that is what the outside temperature was. I suspect many ICE vehicles would have a hard time being parked without a block heater at that kind of temperature. You do realize that most BEVs have thermal management provisions to heat the battery so charging can more easily be done at low temperatures or perhaps not. In any event same question to you do you have any first hand experience? Do you have any data?@@yourgooglemeister6745
Most Canadians are in colder temps than Europe, so expect awful range losses. Yes Vancouver is excception. But Toronto is like Moscow. Honestly Alaska and Canada should skip EVs and be green other ways. I was raised in Minnesota and learned wow MN and Winnipeg are ARCTIC w rivers freezing 6ft in spots, while NY and Denmark to me are warm paradise at 25 F in January not -25 I'm use to ... Frankly EV will be misery in Alaska and MN and most Canada, half the range 5 months is major nightmare .. . It's like banning AC, Florida and Houston would suffer extra from that, hellish temps matter and no all are mild Netherlands...
Norway is pretty cold and 80% of new sales are EVs. I grew up in Manitoba and also lived in Toronto and I can tell you that Toronto is not like Moscow. All the same, I don't see EVs being any more of an issue in Manitoba than ICE cars are. They both should be plugged in. You lose some range but if you have ever driven an EV on a regular basis, you figure out that is not a big deal. You end up with a range of 360kms instead of 400km. Most people don't drive over 100km in a day. You can also buy longer range cars. Cars by 2035 will have much longer range, much shorter charging times, have cheaper batteries etc. Currently it is not issue and things are only getting better.
Thanks for your comments.
I was wrong, Toronto is not Moscow temps. But Winnipeg to Alberta and US Upper Midwest 100% is Moscow temps. In January the weatherspark climate webpage says Winnipeg average is -2 F, Moscow is 10, Toronto 18, Oslo is 20, and Paris is 40 F. . . . . As Minnesotan I've noticed Iowa winter is quite warmer, we have snow 5 months and then it melts and it's mud. Norway EVs does NOT show EVs work in nearArctic. .. . . Norway also subsidizes each EV with $25,000 tax exemption plus they can be driven and parked downtown. Norway is ending this and sales fell, and overall 80% of cars on Norway roads are NOT EV, so people still use normal car as main car if they want...... Just saying it will be much harder for some, and expect anger. After 5 months of winter I am almost suicidal, EVs will make it harder, so wow I will be angry next decade to save 4% of our emissions.... Again, Winnipeg is much colder than Oslo or anyplace theyve been tried, it may be total frigging nightmare there. Nunanvik, Alaska will go EV, no...... . . . .. .. Sigh. In MN we head west from Mankato valley over the plateau to New Ulm, and we know wind can rise and blow cars into ditch for 2 days till plowed and towed when wind dies, with troopers dropping off gasoline. Wind is random. With EVs there may be deaths from this, we still lose a person each decade already it's awful in Feb....... So bull that Norway proves MN and Winnipeg can do EVs.... All for 4% cut in emissions... Skipping covering prairie temps are much lower is bad journalism, Canadian should know better.... Sorry I've thought hard about why the F do Minnesota and Winnipeg live there and answer is they Barely can, so this may push many over their endurance... Fun to ramble.. Fun to see the arrogance..
@@mostlyguesses8385 EVs operate just fine in Winnipeg. If you didn’t know, cars at -40 have a hard time if they are ICE.
Yes, car sells in Norway are 80% new. EVs. That is what I said. I say or imply otherwise.
Did you account for all the people that die in winter in ICE cars? They die both from freezing and carbon monoxide poisoning.
Stop pretending that ICE cars are perfect.
It is more like a 17% saving on Carbon footprint by switching world wide. It is a key factor in the switch away from FFs.
If you didn’t know, energy from renewables can be stored and is less expensive than FFs options.
We re all just talking. If there is proof provide it.
1. Car exhaust seems to kill under 40 a year in US. The stat I found is 400 overall die of co2 poisoning, and they list houses and factories and actually greenhouses as most of that...
2. China sorta showed awful smog still let's people live to 80. You can't claim smog is awful when Chinese live so damn long....
3. In Winnipeg in winter EV range will be cut in half.. As article quote said "It turns out that driver and passenger comfort actually has a bigger effect on EV range because it takes a lot of power to heat or cool the cabin of an EV in extreme weather conditions. In fact, real-world testing has shown that EV range drops to about 54 percent when the ambient temperature dips to 5 degrees """"""
4. As honest estimate EVs will save 9% co2 in US and 7% in Europe... Based on info down below, light duty cars and trucks overall are 19%. But it DOES costs pollution to make and drive an EV so not all the 19% is saved.. I admit over lifetime counting manufacture they emit half, so 9.5% saving Id guess.. In Europe their vehicles are smaller and driven less, so maybe it's 14% now which if switch to EV becomes 7%........
I'm willing to be green but it's insulting this lie that EVs won't perform badly in nearArctic. If you have a different study provide it, otherwise accept Winnipeg will be 50% range... . . . .
In car crashes usually it's impact deaths, I haven't heard that people die of fire after crash.. The fireman are good at snuffing petrol fire if people are trapped. But with an EV the fireman can't stop it so that'll burn up anyone trapped... I'd guess fires kill under 1% so 140 of 14000 accident deaths in nation of 330 million. Horses use to kill far far more, my uncle lost a hand when horse rolled over on this hand.... there use to be hospital wings in NY w head injuries from horse kicks... Cars are very safe.. in UK but just policing their car deaths are 1/4 ours per capita... Petrol cars can be very safe.....
"""" transportation accounts for about a bit under a third of CO2 emissions in the US (light-duty vehicles account for 60 percent of that)."""". 32% x .6 is 19.2% counting every personal truck and car...
FUN TO TALK. BUT FUTURE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS NOT ALL WONDERFUL..
After steam, in the 1940s came diesel electric locomotives. The Toyota Prius was produced starting in 1997 as a gas hybrid. Edison Motors has now built a hybrid logging truck. All 3 of these technologies that have worked for years have had little to no change in the infrastructure because they are all based on existing technologies. But now we run off and want batteries to do the whole job without a backup plan. And that precivilization is a dead end. E VS without infrastructure are basically junk. The whole world is pushing EVS, and now we see that EVS are Catching Fire "literally." So we have a fire hazard and an infrastructure problem, Plus EV sales are dropping like a proverbial rock.
When will all of these super smart multinational billionaire corporations Going to figure out that batteries explode and prius,s Get thirty five percent better fuel economy and run forever.
Sometimes I think the people who are in the positions to do things aren't good enough to clean my toilet.
I understand your concerns about the infrastructure and safety issues surrounding EVs. It's important for companies to continue innovating and addressing these challenges to make electric vehicles a viable and sustainable option, but I can tell you from personal experience that EV's are great options for 90% of drivers out there right now. Note battery fires in EV's are less of a thing then the media tends to suggest, considering EV's are 29% less likely to catch fire then a gas car.
as of now, I don't see it coming until better battery technology is available. ev are expensive, holds little value, expensive to repair and ensure. In the cold it lose mileage. The newer range extender (nissan epower) out of japan can do ridiculous fuel economy. like 3L/100km, 1200km on one tank. and cost 30k if they ever come to canada. the toyotas we have right now can do 4.5L/100km. how are current ev ever going to compete with that, economically it never make sense.
I don't agree with you on most of the tech stuff you said but I do agree the cost of EV's needs to drop for this to work.
@@NorthernEVexperience The tech dictate the cost, batteries cannot be produced for cheap currently and it has nothing to do with scale, china is scaled enough, even control the source material, but if you look at the price it is still high. As for carbon footprint, a 52mpg, 4.5L/100km car need to drive 9400km to release 1 ton of co2, a tesla 80kwh battery takes 2.4 to 16 ton of co2 to manufacture depending on material sources.
@@NorthernEVexperience its not like electricity come out of nowhere, In southern ontario where they are building a lot of new houses. blackout still happens in 2023 can you believe that? the grid need to be upgraded too.
Absolutely the grid needs upgrades, but having lived in Ontario and had extensive interactions with Grid operators Toronto Hydro, Ontario Hydro, and Alectra I can tell you the grid issues are from chronic underinvestment and meddling from the Province. In an effort to keep electricity rates artificially low Ontario has constantly cut rate increases which ultimately means that our infrastructure has been degrading for decades. As I have said in several episodes this is an opportunity to make those investments in the grid and fix these long outstanding problems. @@humorss
'Out of my cold dead hands'
Well, I hope it doesn't get that intense, but I appreciate the passion!
Interesting! I didn't realize that these mandates included hybrids. In that case it isn't such a big leap.
Me neither till I started digging, thanks for the comment
You can thank Toyota for getting the government to include PHEVs as part of the EV mandate. Toyota has been lobbying governments against EVs because their hybrid business has been highly profitable and they can’t produce compelling EVs that are profitable.
Why are motorcycles, snown machines, jet skis, boats, lawn mowers not mandated? Also, won't mandates make things more expensive? There will be much less market competition until mass production lowers the price?
No because it's fazed in, what other jurisdictions that are ahead of us have shown is mandates bring more selection and competition for the consumer and more volume and predictability for the manufacturer. Meanwhile for the next dozen years you will still be able to buy gas vehicles if you want them and drive them till they die.
I think the world wide adoption trends make the mandates a non-issue. As the charging infrastructure improves along with promised lower priced BEVs there will be no problem reaching the levels the governments are calling for. Owning and driving a Tesla has been a revelation for me . I no longer have range qualms and find the driving experience hugely entertaining even compared to the Corvette and vintage Porsche I also own. I will admit that I am retired so 20 or 30 minute charging times are not as onerous as they would be for someone trying to make maximum miles in a day..
yes it will be more expensive when forced into EV transport the power supply will not be enough and rates will have to go up. they will then add to power supply with higher cost sources of energy.
@@petersaulnier3526 So, once again, the lowest income people will pay higher prices and carry a disproportional load so the elitists can have their EVs.
Thanks for the Comment@@richardcalon3724
Standard EV Fanboy coping. I noticed you didn't discuss battery operation in cold climates
I have in several other episodes. It really is no big deal, in some of the worst of the older batteries on the coldest of days you can lose 20% of your range, newer and better designs its neglagable difference 5-10%. Also if you don't precondition your battery when fast charging it can slow the process down quite a bit, but if you are level 2 charging it's irrelevant.
18:37 The percentage of EVs being sold in China is irrelevant when you take into consideration where their electricity is coming from. They are rapidly expanding their use of coal-fired power plants to meet their energy needs while pretending to care about the environment.
The EV still has a lower carbon footprint even with coal fire plants powering them. China is also investing heavily in solar, wind, hydro so it is not all just coal powered plants.
@@yodaiam1000 You’re correct that China is investing in renewables, but they still generate over 60% of their energy from coal. Burning coal has the highest carbon footprint out of all energy sources and the air pollution generated by coal-fired power plants is massive. This is the main reason for China’s smog issue.
@@addict8229 Yes, even at 60% it is still has a very much less of a carbon footprint than running cars off of gas. China wants to switch to renewables due to the smog issues (and carbon footprint issues). They will eventually get a higher and higher percentage of renewables.
Yes China also leads the world in Solar installs and is climbing fast on wind as well. It currently has not permitted the construction on any new coal plants after 2025, and is not expected to anymore either. This is less great but they are also building 6-8 nuclear plants every year..
Guilbeaut is pissing away tax dollars he doesn't have to meet impossible goals. Canada accounts for less than 2% of emissions in total. None of this will make any measurable difference. Most of Canada barely has roads.
That is true for virtually all countries but if each country had that opinion, nothing would get done. You need reduction in all countries.
very true and as I said in another episode Canada's emissions may be low compared to the USA but gigantic compared to Costa Rica. More importantly they are our emissions to deal with not anybody else's, I don't think it's anybody else's job to clean up my mess
I admire your conviction but in my view it is overly simplistic. Only China and US can move the needle on this one and until China is brought into line not much will happen.@@NorthernEVexperience
I am no fan of China for all sorts of reasons, but in the EV space they are knocking it out of the park and they are bringing on more renewable and non emitting energy sources then pretty much the rest of the world combined. While still building some coal plants. It's a weird place what can I say. But I stand by what I said, our emissions are our emissions and we need to own them not pass the buck.@@markbernier8434
The main problem is the development of a grid big enough to supply energy to all the EV cars, and not just money, good luck finding enough professionals willing to move to Canada, look at the Health sector. I think hybrids would reign for a while due to big distances
It's a sticky wicket alright, but I think we can get there in most of the country, Sask and Alberta, could get there but they need to embrace wind, solar, geothermal and Small Modular Reactors.
It's only a 25% increase in 10 years in a worst case scenario. That is less than a 2.5% increase each year. We increased our power grid capacity by over tenfold since the 1950s. EVs can actually help reduce peak demand and the grid capacity is based on peak demand and not average demand. So it is far from the main problem.
is there any wood burning car on sale?
Actually YES! Steam powered cars are about as old as electric cars bigthink.com/the-past/steam-cars/
Don't know how many Stanley steamers are actually for sale and not sure they burned wood. I understand one advantage was that the pilot flame kept your garage warm at night.@@NorthernEVexperience
Only if it was insulated! 😁@@richardcalon3724