"Directly Complicit": Shadi Hamid on How Obama Greenlighted 2013 Egypt Coup, Killing the Arab Spring
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2023
- On the 10th anniversary of the 2013 coup in Egypt when General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi removed the country's first democratically elected president from power, we speak with author Shadi Hamid about "Lessons for the Next Arab Spring," in which he details how the Obama administration helped to kill the democratic uprising across the Middle East. "Washington, and Obama in particular, gave what amounted to a green light to the Egyptian military to proceed with the coup," says Hamid. The U.S. then refused to call it a coup or to impose any consequences, while continuing to send billions in foreign aid to the military dictatorship, which continues to rule the country to this day.
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The reason we don't permit democracy in other countries is that their people don't vote to be exploited by US corporations.
Lol in Egypt's case not so much. It's just that we cannot tolerate an MB government anywhere because it threatens Israel.
That part.
@@EgyptConquerorAW… THAT’S TOO BAD CAUSE THEY DESERVE BEING THREATENED, THE TERRORIST, RACIST, APARTHEID STATE FROM HELL 🔥🔥COMMITTING ATROCITIES AGAINST HUMANITY 😢
US has interests in not having democracy spread to certain areas due to corporations and multinational hegemonies, the military is reduced to an oppressive genocide machine
@@EgyptConqueror Oh and they want to run their own governments and decide things like their own foreign policy, yes, that too. Vassals don't do that, the USA decides what your foreign policy will be.
But most popular or nationalist movements eventually start trying to stop all the wealth from getting siphoned out of their country, which is unacceptable. Even Saddam Hussein's atrocities were fine with us until he started messing with business.
Why doesn't anyone ask Obama these questions in an interview?
In an interview in the US corporate media? Lol! ... "Any dictator would admire the obedience and uniformity of the US media" - Chomsky
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Because our press isn’t actually free
Because he is a marketing product. They promote him as black but he is not he mixed. what he did in Lybia was illegal I am disgusted by him. Now in Africa we have huge problems with "terrorism" because they wanted do bring " democracy".
@@barquerojuancarlos7253 Great Chomsky quote. And of course he's spot on...as always.
Imagine being responsible for so much chaos in the world and still winning a Nobel peace prize.
Remember he was given it in his first year as President, 2009, before he had done anything, for “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples” a statement so vague it means nothing. Obama only looks reasonable in hindsight in comparison with what followed him
Obama dropped over 21,000 bombs on 7 Middle Eastern countries in 2016 .
I read that even the Nobel Prize committee regretted that decision.
It was a joke and Obama was a creep to accept it
Kissinger has a Nobel peace prize. Prize has always been flawed
If you watch that clip of Obama drinking a glass of water in Flint, Michigan, it tells you all you need to know about him - he talked a good game, but in the end he was an establishment stoodge.
" drinking "
and a stooge who was groomed RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES
Barely sipped
Amen, I doubt that was contaminated water Obama took a sip out of that glass, He just put on a show for us
That was extremely telling
“What we now know”, we knew then. A lot of people covered their ears.
It ain't the only stain in the Obama administration...
2009 - supported the coup in Honduras; 2011 - killing Qaddafi of Libya; 2013 - coup in Egypt; 2014 - coup in Ukraine
Obama-Biden adminn installed BokoHaram as president Buhari of Nigeria in 2015, infiltrated everywhere with their invited visa on arrival foreign fulani BokoHaram and IsisFighters, millions of nigerians massacred and counting as we speak, crops, farmers, markets, schools, churches, businesses, homes bombed and burnt, many homes, farms, lands, villages, cities taken over and renamed, turning Nigeria, Africa and beyond into an IslamicExtremistState so called ClimateChange.
@@barquerojuancarlos7253 Let everyone in the prior Administration (Bush regime) get away with murder. That was his first major stain. Presidents always have each other's backs.
Bush's war became Obama's war. Killed many many innocent civilians because he was a "propeller head" infatuated with drones. Chomsky called it Obama's mass extermination campaign. He's got plenty of blood on his hands. You could call him a wolf in sheep's clothing. Or you could just call him evil. Either one works for me.
FAR FAR from it.
Obama did it right
He had already supported the coup in Honduras in 2009. I'd be interested to hear from someone in the room on that occasion.
In reality Obama supported the Arabic Spring and Muslim Brotherhood's win in Egypt, Yemen and Tunisia. He punished Egypt for the people's revolution against Muslim Brotherhood.
Now Honduras has privatize cities controlled by American corporations
He was just another IMPERIALIST.....
US did the same in Iran against democratically elected president Dr Mussadig.
Thanks for the reminder. Plus : 2011 killing Qaddafi of Libya and the coup in Ukraine in 2014
So proud of the fact that America is shaping the future of the world by restoring democracy and calling a coup as "not a coup".
having 23 million ppl in the street is not a coup
@@aligmal5031it is a coup though , these officers attacked the government first especially in the media to make people hate them and when they got support from some people (who regret it now) they started the coup
People who support the elected president were millions in streets
Abdel fattah the coup leader ,killed them with no mercy !
Our 🇺🇲 Govt leaders need to stay out of other countries internal affairs & civil wars. They always do more harm than good 🤔
They know
They do plenty of good for the people who own and control the USA. Corporations, financial speculators and weapons manufacturers benefit enormously from these sorts of activities. The idea that it's just a well-meaning mistake (that may or not kill thousands or millions of people) is just a lie.
They know mate. That is why it's done.
It began about 1820 with the Monroe Doctrine that required the US to meddle in the affairs of all the countries in the Western hemisphere.
Exactly. They are not interfering to do good, it is to make people live horrible
Then we will have the nerve to tell Russia not to do online ad campaigns while we are in EVERYBODY else’s business. Incredible!!
But we aren’t Russian we are American. We have the luxury to criticize our government but in the end us ending our shenanigans simply means another nation will continue theirs.
Well, once again a President I greatly admired has disappointed me. I expected Obama to usually do the right thing. Every President in our history has fallen short on morals and ethics.
That's because a President isnt really making many of the decisions. They are locked into decades of industrial military complex policies and because our elections are impossible to navigate without huge donors that expect certain protocols to be adhered to. Sanders came the closest to pulling it off without behind the scenes financial support. But ultimately.....he was deterred.
If you don't do what the system dictates you will be replaced with someone who does. Swap Obama with the most pure-hearted person you can find, and they'll still have to behave like a US president.
He did what was "right" for someboddy...
Just not Egypt
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Becoming American president doesn't automatically enable changes in foreign policy.
Once sworn in, you walked the tied rope of destructive foreign policies without a choice.
Yes. It is really sad and disappointing. Morsi won a democratic election fair and square. The US, the country that is forever telling the rest of the world how important democracy and freedom is refused to acknowledge the coup which put a dictator in power and that dictator massacred thousands and jailed thousands. The internet is educating people into just how cruel and devious the US government is in implementing a worldwide fascist agenda.🌱
This channel is invaluable. Thank you
Who funds them? Clinton or Gates foundation?
I don't know of any government that actually uses Democracy, it's just deal or no deal government apparatchiks everywhere.
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It used to be invaluable.
The more I learn about America the less I like it.
I'm sure things in Russia, China or N.KOREA are just great for you ....
Are they on equal footing you say? 😂@@anntrope491
Why? 🤔
@anntrope491 You remind others of brainless commentators who compare the us med system to that of a third world country... news flash, there are over 300 countries in this world, wake up, don't pretend to be blind...
@@anntrope491stupid reply to a fair comment.
We don't have a democracy in America, we never have. We are a Republic with Democratic ideals. How is that working out in 2023?
Cornel West for president 🙏
Thank you both for this discussion today.
American history and world histories on all sides.
And he received Noble Peace prize. 😢. At least he didn't think he deserved it.
Democracy is a mirage it doesn't exist
@@YTotwnow😂 you people are funny should we forget the "Obama is a muslim brotherhood through his brother" for supporting that Egyptian president?
just get him a cabinet post in ANY administration
Cornel West???
If we had. The right people with guts to delve into what Obama really did. In his presidency, we would be Shock
Only Obama? How about you showcase every single administration that got the power in the US and see what has made "America Great", certainly not again!
Countries should be respected.
The U.S., before, during and after the Obama administration, has often supported armed Islamists against secular forces. Some examples include Afghanistan from 1979 to 1992, Libya in 2011, and Syria from 2011 till now.
Tia true and absolutely horrifying. So much death.
The people that got overthrown in Egypt were the Islamists. How are you this uninformed?
This one is about the Devil.. Obama..🎪🔍👺✋😡
The muslim brotherhood isn't exactly a secular force
How many people know this ???
Religion mixed with government means someone will be oppressed
That believe is your religion
@@osmansaid4601 don't have one
When a religion is instrumentalized, it becomes a doctrine. Just like the Evangelical church is not a religion but a doctrine and a politic party (indirectly)
Maybe other religions, but definitely not Islam
Any group of people who claim that their religious beliefs should influence the political or legal framework, first need to prove that their religious claims are true.
Yeah that'll never happen in Islam and rarely happens in Christianity. They're all false, but they won't even agree to your premise.
The problem is that they are not given the opportunity to do so 💰 🔋🛢️
@@TheLibTearMaker The opportunity has been present since the claims were originally made,
So, please tell me, what or whom, is preventing religious groups from presenting their evidence. ?
HERE is your opportunity.
8:16 One Message Foundation
@@bibib3164 Does this mean something, and you're just incapable of speaking plainly
8:16 one message foundation ? ....explain yourself.
Such timely information. "Good job!"
Perhaps when the West started meddling in Africa and Middle East it was like stirring water over a mud - the water instead became dark and murky.
Yes, because the people of Africa, Asia and the Middlle East dont want tp be American knock-offs and puppets...and in our Muslim countries, our people Qantas Shariah Law. International Law is not our law, we were forced to accept it. It's time for us to drop International Law until it accepts that Sjariah law is our law.
The U.S. teaches its kids that even though Egypt is in Africa that somehow the people are not Afrakans. They also created/ perpetuate the idea of the "middle east" and implies that Egypt is a part of that.
For real, still confuses me today!
Egyptians have more in common with the Middle East, and North Africa than they do with Saharan and sub-Saharan Africans.
@dertbom the middle east was nothing but arrid desert until they propped up the Zionist state to manufacture munitions and weapons to further solicit a neoquasi colonialism.
AFRICAN SEE NORTH AFRICAN AS ARAB COUNTRY
@@JJ73100no they don’t and there are Arabs Africans, also the term the “Middle East” is a colonial term made by the British
What fantastic speaker, this was a great guest to have on the show!
Interesting to hear of the Obama Administration's involvement. But the interview lacked the nuance that the situation under the Islamist was unpopular and intolerable. Probably any regime that decides their "law" is more important than laws and constitutions has to go. It would have been better Obama pushed for an end to military rule the next year or so. Perhaps they were afraid the Islamists would get elected again?
@@sandal_thong8631 Listen to yourself... No integrity or respect for constitutions or laws... Is it okay for a stranger and tell you how to run your home. Since when is foreign interference okay? Soon, Chna will tell you what to do so get used to it... According to you, it's okay.
We have no qualms about supporting Islamist regimes when the interests align with U. S. Corporate power. The system in Saudi Arabia is just one example. Moreover, we have never supported democracy for it's own sake overseas or at home
not just historically with famous exaples like the Taliban in the '80s, but to this day we fund islamist jihadist terrorists against the gov of Syria and elsewhere
Yep! all of the "democracy " talk has always been a monstrous lie and an absurd sham , We always have pet terrorists to do our bidding and love "dictators " as long as they they are right wing and let us pillage the place blind .
@@UpShir67 There system is based on Sharia Law, and they violate human rights, and like u point out absolutely anti-democratic, yet the this doesn't stop the Washington from provide military technology and diplomatic support to them
@@isaiah5217uk nothing about Sharia law calling it that makes no sense because sharia means Islamic law and most Muslims in Muslim countries support that and Saudi claims to be tanta but there not how is it again isn’t human rights and anti-democratic?
What does a Islamist regime mean to u? What does Islamist mean
Quite an interesting discussion here.
shadi hamid suprisingly died today after a american drone bombing of a middle eastern hospital he was visting for his yearly checkup, America says it was a accident and they are sorry
What else would you expect a nice smart CIA asset to do?
The offer of Apache helicopters to al-Sisi. I remember that.
Now Al-Sisi is the puppet with shocking consequences for the ordinary people with massive debts. That's how the west creates mischief wherever they go
But when the United States decided to disappoint their friend and ally, former Egyptian Presidentt, Hosni Mubarak to create the room for Muslim Brotherhood to become victorious in the first democratic system in Egypt for years, nobody complained. But the military staged a coup and toppled a regime which the President changed the rule of law and began greater than Egyptian Supreme Court to the disagreement of many opposition parties, some people are blaming the US and Obama. I mean, before now many people could say the US will never allow Muslim Brotherhood to govern Egypt but it ended up being speculation since the party later won election when Mubarak was ousted.
I thought the public knew this already
"Good" people remaining quiet! Causes untold problems! 😮
Sometimes a fair vote doesn't lead to free society or to a ruling party that will support future fair votes or Democracy.
To wit, US elections.
And the Canadian with trudeau
Right. They needed some form of ranked-choice voting to elect the president and party supported by the most people, and not an extremist Islamist party opposed by the majority who exceed their authority and impose Sharia Law. Also checks and balances and perhaps staggered elections like the U.S. Senate (and state offices) so one election doesn't give a party full power.
@@sandal_thong8631what’s does extremist Islamist part mean and most ppl support sharia, u just fall for westren propgrands. It not even called “sharia law” because sharia means Islamic law
@@sandal_thong8631America also isn’t a democratic y
Thank You for the yet again for facts ! But yet again confirmation of the disillusionment that humans who are meant to represent their country’s citizens (let alone other countries) & behave in moral & intelligent humanitarian ways are certainly not even attempting to achieve this.
If only more humans in so called democratic countries ( especially younger citizens) cared enough to influence a political system positively; leading to “ good “ leadership.
I am not American, but this behavior of those in governments the world over since forever & the lack of democratic responsibility from world citizens has allowed this situation. This needs desperately to change if life on earth is to become for all living including humans a better, more constructive, creative & peaceful, healthy place.
Obama: what up bush sir we sick?
From Arab Spring to now French Summer. Coups and Revolutions are quite popular even today. 😅
Great comment
That word is way overused, any time someone doesn't behave orderly it's a cp, the media in its infinite brainlessness is responsible for creating some movements that don't exist, or at least misrepresenting them. They have such arrogance despite or because of their ignorance.
I am half French: I peronally didn't rrjoice at the time of the Arab Sprihgl. I don't like buzzes, I Indeed the paralell with the revolution is relevent. Societies are organic.A revolution is like changing all the soil. About Lybia, Sarkozy listened to the enlightened advice of the most stupid and himogant philosoopher around and send his army to kill Kadhafi who was a dictator, but at leas one that did care for his people. Since then Ithe country is in the hands of criminals, capturing, robbing, abusinb and eventually letting migrans embark on an overcrowded plastic boat, and eventually making it to Europe..Regarding Syria.. I think France was involved as again , the Jihad, Bacherr, a bit everybody was there.
"Good fences make good neighbors !" Meaning. ..we should mind our own business !!!!!
One thing that made the coup difficult to refute at the time was how much popular support there was (or appeared to be) for the military. If I remember right people were setting off fireworks.
My understanding was there were four parties, two secular and two Islamic. The Islamic parties say "If you are a good Muslim, you must vote Islamic," which fools the gullible. The secular parties split the vote more than the Islamic ones, so if they had ranked-choice voting, then a secular party would have won. Once the Islamic party took power they decided to go for total control (and impose Sharia law), like right-wing extremists do here and in other countries. There might not have been another election under their regime. This guy pretends that democracy got a result that only we didn't like, when the majority of people of Egypt didn't want that government.
Yes, not surprising. Remember that the Egypt Elections was nearly split 50‐50. The Muslim Brotherhood won narrowly.
Yes, the corrupt oligarchy, funded and armed by the US, was back in charge and free to murder, maim, imprison and torture thousands ... Business as usual resumed.
The support we showed in 2013 was far greater than that of 2011. BTW both were quite similar, we demanded a Mubarak out then a Morsi, except the former* had the Supreme Council of Armed Forces in power, while the latter *was followed by& a year's transition in having Chief Justice Adli Mansour as acting president. (That is, 2011 was technically more of a coup *than 2013*, but hey whatever.) Another thing to add, when it came to our politicians, Sisi's announcement was backed by leftists and secularists alike, mainly Sabahi and Baradei (yes Baradei). My compatriot Shadi knows little, I have to say.
Fireworks shouldn't matter. Democratic laws and procedures should be respected. Otherwise it's easy for cia to produce fireworks at any place and time.
Really - if America acts they over reach, if they don't they are complicated. Xx
Thank you 🌎 ✊️ 🗽 🌹
I don't think it's that simple as saying people will vote for Islamists when/if given the choice. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes it's a mixed bag. Islamists do not speak for all Muslims, contrary to popular perception.
You can only say this if you have never been to MENA 😂
The secular parties split the vote, allowing an Islamic extremist party to win. They need ranked-choice voting so this won't happen again.
Non-Islamists are just atheists who don't want to say it out loud
BO was doing what he was told, the president's dont really run the country in my opinion.
“The presidency is not a person, but an institution.” Alan Ada (Murder at 1600).
A puppet with a prolapsed bootyhole.😂😂😂
Thank you for covering this.
Independent, democratic Egypt is an unknown factor that endangers Israel existence.
General Assisi, Egyptian Army represented a predictable power - which can be counted to support US interest in Middle East.
No one is right 100% of the time. Regardless, USA doesn't run Egypt
No, they puppet‐run Egypt. They have Gen. Alsisi in their pockets and on CIA payroll.
No, they just provide the funding, weapons and surveillance apparatus.
can u say proxy
US overthrew Morsi because he was from Muslim brotherhood and so is Hamas and Israel felt uncomfortable and Egypt and Sisi got a fat paycheck from US
RIGHT. What an answer
The Egyptians must have thought thst was a hell of a joke.
I recall watching a special on the coup not too long after it happened. Government officials here in the US were gloating about how they had been bypassing the elected government and dealing directly with the military in the lead up to the coup. The US security services played a direct role in the coup.
Great report! Thanks for your adversarial reporting.
I don’t want religious extremists to be in power anywhere, from any religion. I don’t care if it’s Islamists, Christians, Jewish, Hindu, etc. If people don’t understand that religious beliefs are unique to every individual and cannot be forced on people, if they think THEIR religion is so “right” that it should be enforced like law, they do not understand the diversity of humans enough to be in power in high government. Really looking forward to the days when we have collectively evolved past this antiquated, primitive thinking ⌛️🙌
Good idea. We can start at home. There's a lot of "religious extremists" who have a lot of political power in the US
Ditto. One of the best ways to prevent extremists from gaining power is for as many people as possible to vote. The fewer people who vote, the greater chance an extremist party can win.
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And what do you call secular dogma if not psuedo-religious? You think the constitution and human rights are based on objective fact rather than dogmatic beliefs? There is not a single country in the world not ruled by religious beliefs. Liberalism is a religion in and of itself, and the west forces it on everyone else.
Tell that to your Supreme Court
When all the politicians are asleep in their beds, America is a wonderful place!
Gore Vidal was correct about U.S. Presidents.
Obama may be most disappointing president in History 😢
He didn't disappoint his masters.
Still looks good in comparison to his predecessor and his successor.
@@balrog322 Look closer.
@@_truthful_q_ Obama’s predecessor slithered into office by way of the electoral college and ginned up a war of aggression founded on lies. Obama’s successor slithered into office by way of the electoral college and ginned up an insurrection founded on lies. Maybe you should ‘look closer.’
Still better than Bush & Trump.
Why was removing an Islamist a bad thing?
Oh, dear.
and who was he replaced with, and who did the replacing? the only people who like who he was replaced with, are exact same people who liked it when the shah was put into place, AKA christian nationalists.
western democracy™: you only get to choose if we agree with you
Majority of Egyptians are Muslims who are you to tell them who’s Islamist or not
@@tyrionlannister6459
"You can have democracy as long you choose what WE want"
Really well put. That a colonial minded country is the super power is the biggest problem of our planet today..
No worries, you can deal with Russia Iran in China now and I’m sure that’ll work out great for everyone.😂
@gr4608 Nope, we dont have to, but we can live in world that works for everyone
Good reporting. We all know he green lighted the Arab spring
I don't quite understand if Shadi thinks positively or not about Muslim brotherhood, what is indisputable is that sharia law is totally uncompatable with democracy.
Agreed. Reminds me of the notion that if Communists ever won election, there wouldn't be any more elections to vote them out.
The ousted president wasn’t about to help establish sharia law. We know that sharia is partially used in some laws in Muslim countries but on personal matters mostly such as marriage, abortion, etc.
The USA should try to help change that empowers people and never co-opt a military takeover especially since the Cold War is over.
Hamid in working for Brookings Institution is obviously constrained in what he can say. The bottom line for Obama turning sour on the Muslim Brotherhood's rule in Egypt was that it revised Egypt's israel-friendly policy that Mubarak adhered to. Obama was fully a pawn for the Jewish liberal establishment which got him elected, and he never did anything that collided with it. He gave Israel all the weapons, let them bomb Gaza to a rubble, and shoot at will in the Intifadas. There was an attempt to depict him as going against Israel but he that was in line with the position of the Jewish liberal establishment which hated rightist Netanyahu. Netanyahu thought he should be able to order Obama about but the establishment wanted a gentler approach to Palestinians since they no longer could have total control of the narrative and Netanyahu's policies were making Jews look bad in the world and especially among leftists. Al-Sisi favored a return to Mubarak's Middle East policies which made Israel feel secure.
All U.S. presidents since Truman have protected Israel and it's not primarily because of the "Jewish liberal establishment" but its role in American power projection around the world.
Next Arab Spring
That was their only opportunity
Now the middle east needs a economic union
The oil rich nations need to build up the neighborhood to insure survival of the population of the region
Water is going to be a big problem
@judyabbotAi Any evidence
Do you see Iraq 🇮🇶 or Libya 🇱🇾 or perhaps Syria 🇸🇾 how about Lebanon 🇱🇧 being rebuilt how about Turkey 🇹🇷 sharing more water resources
Saudi Arabia is planning on its glass city in the desert a Trillion dollar project
Don't see cooperation anytime soon
and with Europe deindustrializated no jobs of any importance for immigrants much less next generation
Don't need to be a Wizard to understand human nature
Thank for sharing..
So much for democratically elected
Communists might have been democratically elected in sub-Saharan Africa, but then they shut down the democracy. Same for Islamic extremists parties. They say democracy has the means for its own destruction in free press and free elections if people elect bad guys who lie to take power and don't stop them from overreaching their constitutional or legal authority.
فبقى الحكومة الأمريكية هى اللى شجعت الناس تنزل فى ٣٠ /٦ بالملايين
و مش هى اللى جابت الاخوان للحكم اصلااااا ؟من غير ما كمل الفيديو
😝فى هبل فى الموضوع
كل واحد فى فكرة حتى لو هبلة فى دماغه يحروح يكتب عليها كتاب
اشكال ضالة
You know the funny thing about all this is that everyone is going to keep voting the same way they've always voted, and then expect different results. 😂😂😂
Front for his Masters
In ten years, maybe Democracy Now will report on America’s role in the coup in Ukraine
bingo we have a winner!
The president of a country surely doesn’t make his decisions alone?
Surely not. Perhaps writers here can give us further information
The worst and misleading concept is that we have democracy and it is anything but that... As we actually vote for and elect our masters and handlers and keepers we always keep changing the narrative and rules and the conditions to which we must all abide, and transports this to other nations for to take as a example and use. Peace
There is complete difference between the democracy of western countries which is defined and financed by corporate industries who intern gets their money from exploitation of raw materials from resources full but poor countries.
In short if the election held in Africa is against the interest of West, coup is the medicine.
Another reason why Obama never visited any other Islamic Nation besides Egyp, June 4th, 2009 during his Presidency and especially after.
Indonesia m8
If only this question could be explored by the pundits: was Morsi in fact, the winner of the presidential elections? this question needs to be seriously researched given the events that followed the elections and the timeline of announcing the results, among other factors. There is in fact, a firm belief by many Egyptians that the Military announced Morsi the winner, when he was not, and then proceeded to crush the MB once and for all.
Shadi is a Muslim Brotherhood himself.
My daughters though Muslim went to a Christian school in Cairo....they felt threatened by the Muslim Brotherhood and Egyptian Nuns were harassed...and the torching of Churches etc.....ask the average Egyptian about the time of Mubarak....many many are depressed of the last 15 years.
It's so messed up that Obama's horrible foreign policy was still such an improvement from Bush. Our leaders have lowered the bar so far that the best we hope for is a president that can stumble over it.
Yeah blame it on Obama if it makes you feel good!😅
Wow!
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Keep Africa safe
Obama did have a "pragmatic side." He agreed with his advisors, to send more troops into Afghanistan; he had that "beer summit." But that alleged joke about "autocrats in the Mideast." And then what he did, vis-a-vis Libya...Was not this action a contradiction of his well-known statments about our "stupid wars"? I totally agree with Obama here. These "supid wars" are stains on us.
If I were the US government , I would not meddle in the affairs in Middle East.
Oh well, pretty tame in contrast to the part he played in Libya.
The elephant in the room that nobody talks about is Israel. They were more scared of the Mursi government being friendly and giving support to the Palestine and the Palestinian people which by the way expresses the general sentiment of ordinary people in the Arab World. In fact America needs to keep autocrats in power in the Middle East to give Isreal "legitimacy " and to continue the status quo which is occupation and brutalisation of Palestinian land and its people.
Anyone can say whatever they want the Gaddafi reign came to an end at the hands of his own people. Not single revolution has succeeded without approval from the natives.
Are you talking about the guy who got a Nobel peace prize for doing nothing !? The US will unfortunately drink from the same glass… sooner or later!
I blame the Egyptians for allowing foreign interference in their country's internal affairs.
Even Steve wonder could have seen that. Obama got his rise from people like this show.
Egypt never had an Arab Spring. Electing an Islamist regime that was well on its way to becoming the next Iran was not going to look good for the Middle East. This coup was necessary. So to say that the Arab Spring ended is a non sequitor. It never began to begin with. One had the choice between Islamist versus secular dictatorships.
What they did in Libya especially was the worse thing
Its not right...! America needs a conscience
I am certain that the
people of Pakistan, should there be a fight against the present
government and establishment no American will allowed not even an ambassador in Pakistan.
can anyone tell me what all the green lights are?
Lasers.. u dumbo
Why can’t Egypt take responsibility for Egypt? Have the people no agency? Grow some balls. Stop blaming others.
But the US supports the ultra Islamist Saudi Arabia. For the US, it is not about Islamist or democracy. It’s about submission to the interests of the US that may come in any form of government.
Not a war of religion, but rather the rich and powerful waging war against the poor and disaffected.
@@bluelines1 Agreed, it is not about religion, if we take a look of many coup that happened in the Latin America.
What Obama meant by "like the Scandinavians" he meant subservient like the Scandinavians
Same thing happened in Algeria in 1992. The west led by America is fine with coups and military dictatorships as long as it's in their best interest. Also the people of the middle east and north Africa need to learn from their mistakes and stop voting for Islamist political parties, because as long as they keep voting for them، military coups will keep happening. They must learn how to compromise.
Mind Begs the Question:
To Support and Aid an Apartheid State
Democratic,Fascist?
Wow
Based channel.
What about failed coup in turkey?
Yeah mon that is for sure
Wow democracy did so much in Iraq Syria Libya Vietnam Kambodea Cuba etc
Do we need another Iran in Egypt
What ever serves the interest of the US they will do regardless of what the negative implications the decision has to the other country.
Obama wasn't so hands off in Libya or Syria. He was hands on or off, based on whether the imperialism had something to gain or lose!