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I spend this whole thing confused at how the deleted scene explains why Captain Jack was just playing dead this whole time, only to finally realise it only explains why he's at the courthouse
Ohh. I thought Jim misinterpreted the idea of an explanation for him being alive and that it was cut because it 'explained' the gator as being fully dead, and wouldn't make sense for the ending reveal
MIke Scully in another commentary track explained why he used the full credits so often: He didn't like that syndication cut scenes from the broadcast versions, so he cut most of his episodes short enough to fit the entire opening credits, thinking that syndication could cut the opening and leave the episodes more intact. Another writer on that commentary track said that he's seen those episodes in syndication and that they leave the full opening, and cut scenes from the episodes themselves, defeating the purpose of leaving the full opening. Scully then let out a very pained "ugh."
this is going to sound really strange, but have you ever considered doing a simpsons histories on the pink donut? it feels like such a ubiquitous piece of simpsons iconography but from the episodes i've seen (mostly early stuff) donuts very rarely feature in the actual show??? why is a pink donut the thing they use to represent the show and not a can of duff beer? that seems like a much better icon for the series, when did the donut suddenly take over?
Could be potential issues "marketing alcohol to minors" even if it's a fake product. Hell, I started smoking because of Metal Gear Solid. Kids are dumb.
Weird how the first time the pink donut appeared on the show was on the break room of the plant. Was the only donut left and Homer didn't want to take it because it was pink and everybody would think he was gay if he did. I can't recall wich episode is, I saw recently and caught my attention
This is one of those few cases where "well, why don't _you_ do it then?" is actually a GOOD response to criticism. doing it yourself helped you see how tough of a choice it actually was
I mean, what are we to believe that this is some sort of, uh, **snort** _a magic alligator_ or something? Boy I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
"That's what we've been TRYING to tell you!" I think that line's funnier with the added nonsense of Jack wandering out of the building with no explanation.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned already - there’s 300+ comments to read, in my defence - but IIRC the reason behind the long opening credits being used in so many of Mike Scully’s episodes was intentional on his part. On one of the commentaries, I remember him saying it was to prevent scenes from the body of the episodes being cut in syndication. He was hoping it would make the people responsible for syndication cuts just edit the opening down instead of cutting scenes from the episodes.
And also ironic that in deliberately keeping the long intro he was forced to cut scenes from the episode himself. One wonders what he was thinking in that case since he must have known just using the short intro would have fixed the problem.
That's a good reason. Those syndication cuts are really annoying. Manjula's first appearance in the show, showing her as a child before Apu left India for America, is actually cut out in syndication.
@@Omicron9999 One wonders what you are thinking, preferring a show with scenes cut for syndication, rather than a show with a tighter writing time, and the naivety of thinkinh these things are 'easy to fix' and 'lol git gud mike scully itz ur job lol'.
@@Omicron9999 Yes, that’s a good point, but at least Scully cutting it himself makes it a conscious decision from the creator, instead of outside interference. A creator who knows the story intimately cutting it down is very different from some corporate agent cutting it down; the creator gets to judge what is necessary and what isn’t. Whether the judgement of the creator is actually always right is debatable (Scully practically admitted that it might have been a mistake to cut this scene from Kill the Alligator and Run, after all), but it makes sense that he’d want to try to keep some creative control.
I do prefer the official cut. The absurdity of the alligator suddenly showing up alive at the courthouse is just so absurd that I never even questioned it. Any less, and like you said, it draws attention to all the other questions. I've always found that the strangeness of the cut we got is part of the humour. The ludicrousness and surprise of the ending is part of the appeal of the episode to me.
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its worth noting that in syndication this episode got cut even further, the part where the train hits them and is pushing the Simpsons car is very jarringly cut in a way that just jumps straight to the conductor prying it off the train, completely removing the parts of them falling asleep in the car and homer getting food from the dining car. Broadcast TV is obnoxiously paranoid about how much time they have to run ad's and don't really care how much shows have to be butchered to accommodate that, hell when Adult Swim ran King of the Hill I was shocked at how many scenes I was seeing for the first time because fox cut them even in prime time airings.
As an international viewer who has never been to Florida, I honestly believed the alligator being alive at the end was one more (of several!) dig at Florida and its residents being too stupid to check of it was actually dead. The whole episode makes fun of Florida and the subculture there, and it's far from the only show to do so. Florida is a regular punchline of jokes about the US after all. I think the episode holds up on its own just as it is without the need to recut it.
That was my take too. I may not know much about Florida, but even I as a non-american have heard of the concept of Florida Man where not checking if the alligator was actually dead would be a slow day for that guy.
I know it's all subjective, but in my opinion, the whole Lisa and Homer "can't drive without a license" exchange is the funniest and most memorable part of the entire episode.
I'm starting to appreciate the Captain Jack twist because of its absurdity. The allegator is somehow alive and appears out of nowhere, and everyone just accepts it. They just let the family go right there and then, like the reveal invalidates the fact they escaped out of prision.
If the biggest issue is “how did the alligator make it to the courthouse without people noticing”, just make it clearer (through dialogue or a sign) that Captain Jack was lying in state. So when he *does* Lenin his way out from his glass box to crush Simpsons continuity, it’s a bit more reasonable... Or change “Alligator walks out of courthouse” into “Delivered alive on truck, turns out folks had been trying to call to say he’s alive but *insert reason for not picking up*”, if it can be animated in time
The key to Scully's bad episodes are that they're so bad that they become more hilarious and fondful over time; you have to LOVE hating them. In contrast, Al Jean's bad episodes are usually just... bad. For example, I will see [people enjoying and laughing themselves while ranting about "Kill the Alligator and Run" and "Saddlesore Galactica"] more than I'll ever hear [anyone attempting to talk about "Co-Dependents Day" past a disgruntled sigh]. Great video, Jims. Long live Captain Jack!
The only bad Scully era episode I can think of is Children of lesser Cod. Great Money Caper is awesome but there is one line I dislike. I hate how Homer called his own daughter sucker.
I always thought the alligator was playing dead, and then happened to wander into the courthouse. Neither things is outside the realm of possibility in Florida
I actually assumed that he went to the courthouse deliberately, after recovering from being knocked out/in a coma, in order to clear the family's names. If he was intelligent enough to have made the town flag, then it doesn't seem like too much of a leap.
Other than the (understandably) rare treat of seeing an actual clip on this channel, I really enjoy this video just for the pleasure of seeing you talk some more production level stuff. This channels discussion of showrunners in general is what got me interested in the shows production, so I always appreciate your videos that head that route! Also, perhaps the end of this episode can be best fixed in the edit by throwing on the Das Bus ending monologue. How is Captain Jack alive? Lets say... moe.
I have a potential Simpsons Mysteries idea: in the commentary for "New Kid on the Block," Conan O'Brien mentions that he wrote a large portion of an episode that he wasn't credited for; then drops this conversation to avoid getting in trouble with the guild. Which episode was it? There is some speculation that this was "Last Exit to Springfield" because it matches Conan's absurd style more than the actual credited writers Kogen and Woolodarsky.
That episode always felt exactly like something he would have wrote. I often pair it up with Marge Vs The Monorail. Hopefully we can get some more news on this.
That's a tough one because it's so common for scripts to go through many hands, and people in the middle of the process often get shafted despite their contributions. Writing credits often oversimplify who was involved, unfortunately.
Easy. While any of the celebrity worship episodes is inherently bad, flattering a known (known at the time as well) white supremacist billionaire grifter like Musk is hands down the worst.
Honestly I never had an issue with the plot twist at the end, the show has always had a tendency to do weird stuff, so the gator coming out of the courtroom seemed like one of those instances to me. If we need an explanation... I believe Crocs and Alligators go into a dormant state when flipped upside down, in the deleted scene he is still in the same position, maybe in their shock and grief they never bothered to flip him back, luckily he eventually managed to snap out of his nap on his own just in the nick of time.
I always figured he came out of the court house cause that's where the party was. He seemed to have free roam of the town so I didn't think him being able to get inside a building that unusual.
Amazing video TheRealJims - I love just HOW MUCH you'll break down an episode on something like this. The whole issue regarding the Alligator in 'Kill the Alligator and Run' has kept me awake at night for years! ....Actually, when I saw the video come up I did kinda have to ask myself "Wait, which episode is 'Kill the Alligator and Run'?", as it's from that myriad of post-Golden Era episodes that I struggled to have as much interest in and many of which blurred into one. I did recall it as being a lesser episode which I never much liked, though. Either way, it is interesting following through the whole "the writers just don't care" thing when sometimes, such as this, it's the opposite - it's an episode that's required a lot of extra work and which they really had to juggle. On totally unrelated and yet similar point, I'm currently watching every single episode of 'Classic Doctor Who' and going through one of it's weakest patches with some noteriously weak stories, and yet looking into the various behind-the-scenes production issues of the time has made me at least respect what they were up against in trying to get the damned things out on-screen... So I guess I can kind of compare that to instances like this. I dunno, that comparison worked when I started typing it but I forgot where I was going with it! Also... the actual shot of the alligator emerging down the steps of the courthouse near the episode (now I've remembered which ep it actually is!), I always assumed to somehow be a nod or homage to a well recognised shot in 1985's 'Dawn of the Dead', where a 'gator indeed waddles down some courthouse steps (in a zombie infested city), a shot that was even used on some of the posters for that movie, and even wondered if there was originally some sort of tie-in joke with that movie more that got deleted (but seemingly not). As with the (non)-death of Captain Jack and so much about 'Kill the Alligator...', it's just a mystery. No wait, I finally got it. The joke was, that Captain Jack was now actually a zombie alligator, and was now gonna go around eating people. It finally makes sense.
That was my favourite joke in the episode, not sure I’d rate it quite as highly as you but I did appreciate it more than “I like that” lady. To each their own I suppose!
This is such a good one jim! Going into deleted scenes is so interesting. Makes me wanna see you do a video about cut contact from the show after it aired. Like things that were censored later on. Wonder how much of that there is?
I know Marge vs. SSCCATAG originally had the line "I'm gonna tell an anecdote about oral sex... without having to look around" (in the script) that got change to "lovemaking". Home Sweet Homediddily had the Pier 1/Trader Pete's joke, and Dude Where's My Ranch has the "Go back to Pittsburgh!/Grosse Point!" line. Current airings use Grosse Point, but the script and the Spanish dub have Pittsburgh.
I ones read or saw a video about some older episode having word "ass" changed after it was aired. The episode had both Mr. Burns and Bart saying the word, but the lines were switched afterwards, so there is only one ass said aloud, but the character saying it was chanced.
A suggestion for Mysteries, tho I think it might be a hard one to do, is WHEN did Burns join the Stonecutters? He's a lower number than Lenny, but SO much older than him, and they get a number based on the order they joined. So, since the only ways to join are be the son of a Stonecutter (Burns would have been in LONG before Lenny), or save the life of a Stonecutter, he would have had to save someones life. And WHEN would that have happened??
My head canon for why Captain Jack was alive was simply an incompetent vet, who was either fired shortly after or was kept because they were the most qualified vet they had to look after alligators.
I've always thought that Mr Teeny quote was weird. Even in an absolute sense, Trilogy of Error made a pretty decent amount of sense. That's especially the case when you compare it to something like this, or, say, the ending of Bart the Murderer. Just a very strange episode to use that line on.
This is without a doubt one of your most elaborate videos. Well done. I admire your daring exploration of trying to make the episode more understandable. Captain Jack is a truly fantastic alligator and I admire him too. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how to edit the episode. Also I’m glad to be one of your subscribers and I love seeing a lot of your different ideas and projects.
They could ADR a line in somewhere and have one of the characters say. "People were sure upset at the alligator's funeral in the court house." That's 5 seconds.
I feel simply adding a line to the radio newscast at the diner and mentioning an upcoming memorial for Capt. Jack at the courthouse, would have worked pretty well. That said, I know that it was probably a bit too late to record anything new at that point.
I love this comment. I’d noticed it but wasn’t particularly bothered, but the reference combined with still being a perfect rating (undercutting the reference) legitimately made me laugh for like 80 seconds so. Thanks lol
This was a fascinating episode, it's more of a deep dive analysis into the economies of TV producing. Do more like this, maybe with some other eps and explain why their scenes were deleted. I've always been curious why the "Robotic Richard Simmons" was cut when it was such a good joke.
The writers actually talk about why they cut Robot Richard Simmons in the DVD commentary. When they screened the episode for the show's staff, it just didn't get a laugh. I suspect it's because it's kind of a gimmick joke, so because the staff had already seen the script, they didn't find it as funny. But for fans, the idea is much more surprising and unexpected, so the humor lands really well.
0:33 The weird thing about this animation error is that while the crowd is otherwise frozen they still animated the candle lights moving (and the smoke coming from that one woman's cigarette).
This is one of my favorite episodes, I always figured the alligator crawled up the toilet to get to the courthouse.I think the plot is supposed to be zany and nonsensical and I can understand that it’s not to everyone’s taste but I’m laughing the whole way through every-time I watch it
I love your tone in these videos, it's that of someone who doesn't really love or hate the show but for whatever reason has all this knowledge about it
I love that driver’s License and ADR joke. I think seeing your thoughts on them really explained why they were so willing to let the alligator scene go. It wasn’t done well and this episode has so many good scenes. It works well enough without the explanation, I think I’m happiest with “a wizard did it”
What they could’ve done is reversed the crowd shot to show people lining up to see the dead alligator, and use that as lead in visuals for the court case using a gavel, and some judge speak or something.
it's been around 7-8 years since i saw your first Simpsons Mysteries video, and i am glad to see you haven't left the scene after all these years. Thank you.
Kill the Alligator and Run is one of my favorite Simpsons episodes. While I admit it's all over the place, the number of jokes in it always kills me. It's one of those episodes that just has such good laughs in it, that I'm always surprised when I re-watch it, like 'Whoa, that jokes from this episode'!
No it absolutely doesn't. Neither of those are even latin words. It comes from the spanish "el lagarto", meaning "the lizard", which eventually morphed into "aligarto" and then "alligator".
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I... I really dont understand how another scene showing the alligator being dead would've improved this? Wouldnt that just make it worse? It really never bothered me that the alligator was in the courthouse
Good video on one of my absolute favouriste episodes. That drivers license/starting car joke has been on my mind since the episode first aired. And whenever i think of it i always chuckle a bit. I don't know why, but for some reason that specific scene is the one from simpsons that's always been with me.
The car scene is one I quote all the time. The whole dynamic if Homer was being sarcastic with a touch of psychopathy or was Homer actually shocked his car started without him holding a piece of plastic.
I don't understand anything. How is the deleted scene supposed to explain anything? He's dead and the people are there for his funeral, right? I'm so confused.
2 years late but its just to establish a reason for him being at the courthouse. it makes the following scene less random, but as jim says, even more absurd that nobody realized he was alive.
I can't hate on the episode because I REALLY love Homer's mental breakdown, it's really funny to me! I honestly want to know why the writers were so insistent on having the Alligator as a plot point when the episode was doing just fine.
...So I guess this became my Valentine's Day video.
TheRealJims ♥️ Captain Jack
A commemoration for generations
love your videos! :)
I Choo-Choo Choose You Jims
I can’t believe Jims is an Alligator Tsundere
Will he take you down to the railroad track?
Very surreal seeing an actual video clip from the show in a real Jim’s video
Imagine if Disney just strikes the channel down for a clip from "Kill the Alligator and Run". Just solidifying it's place in top 10 worst episodes.
How much you wanna bet that was an accident?
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Thought the video had ended for a second
@@fishonshoe I thought that was intentional since he was cutting himself off from his more well known running gag for comedic effect.
I spend this whole thing confused at how the deleted scene explains why Captain Jack was just playing dead this whole time, only to finally realise it only explains why he's at the courthouse
Thank you. This was confusing the hell out of me
Ohh. I thought Jim misinterpreted the idea of an explanation for him being alive and that it was cut because it 'explained' the gator as being fully dead, and wouldn't make sense for the ending reveal
MIke Scully in another commentary track explained why he used the full credits so often:
He didn't like that syndication cut scenes from the broadcast versions, so he cut most of his episodes short enough to fit the entire opening credits, thinking that syndication could cut the opening and leave the episodes more intact. Another writer on that commentary track said that he's seen those episodes in syndication and that they leave the full opening, and cut scenes from the episodes themselves, defeating the purpose of leaving the full opening. Scully then let out a very pained "ugh."
inadvertently very funny.
this is going to sound really strange, but have you ever considered doing a simpsons histories on the pink donut? it feels like such a ubiquitous piece of simpsons iconography but from the episodes i've seen (mostly early stuff) donuts very rarely feature in the actual show??? why is a pink donut the thing they use to represent the show and not a can of duff beer? that seems like a much better icon for the series, when did the donut suddenly take over?
I seem to recall that iconography being a product of the movie
Pink donut is more marketable than alchohol.
Guessing cause donuts are more general audience
Could be potential issues "marketing alcohol to minors" even if it's a fake product. Hell, I started smoking because of Metal Gear Solid. Kids are dumb.
Weird how the first time the pink donut appeared on the show was on the break room of the plant. Was the only donut left and Homer didn't want to take it because it was pink and everybody would think he was gay if he did. I can't recall wich episode is, I saw recently and caught my attention
You didn't hesitate to forbid cutting out the "I like that" lady.
I like that.
This is one of those few cases where "well, why don't _you_ do it then?" is actually a GOOD response to criticism. doing it yourself helped you see how tough of a choice it actually was
I mean, what are we to believe that this is some sort of, uh, **snort** _a magic alligator_ or something? Boy I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
"That's what we've been TRYING to tell you!"
I think that line's funnier with the added nonsense of Jack wandering out of the building with no explanation.
Fun episode. I would love to see a Simpson's mysteries about Kearny's age.
He has a child who already goes to school with him but is not old enough to drink but he's divorced
@@VICTORZITOSS he can also do a very nice jig
@@VICTORZITOSS But then he was at the same elementary school when Watergate happened and then the US Bicentennial so idk lol
YES!
Him and Otto were in the same class as well
Wait, did I just watch a 15-minute analysis of the editing of an episode I’m not particularly fond of?
I like that.
"Let's not even talk about cutting any of the I like that lady, she's the best part of the episode" I like that
I don’t know if this has been mentioned already - there’s 300+ comments to read, in my defence - but IIRC the reason behind the long opening credits being used in so many of Mike Scully’s episodes was intentional on his part. On one of the commentaries, I remember him saying it was to prevent scenes from the body of the episodes being cut in syndication. He was hoping it would make the people responsible for syndication cuts just edit the opening down instead of cutting scenes from the episodes.
That's actually really smart
And also ironic that in deliberately keeping the long intro he was forced to cut scenes from the episode himself. One wonders what he was thinking in that case since he must have known just using the short intro would have fixed the problem.
That's a good reason. Those syndication cuts are really annoying. Manjula's first appearance in the show, showing her as a child before Apu left India for America, is actually cut out in syndication.
@@Omicron9999 One wonders what you are thinking, preferring a show with scenes cut for syndication, rather than a show with a tighter writing time, and the naivety of thinkinh these things are 'easy to fix' and 'lol git gud mike scully itz ur job lol'.
@@Omicron9999 Yes, that’s a good point, but at least Scully cutting it himself makes it a conscious decision from the creator, instead of outside interference. A creator who knows the story intimately cutting it down is very different from some corporate agent cutting it down; the creator gets to judge what is necessary and what isn’t. Whether the judgement of the creator is actually always right is debatable (Scully practically admitted that it might have been a mistake to cut this scene from Kill the Alligator and Run, after all), but it makes sense that he’d want to try to keep some creative control.
TheRealJims honestly loves this episode. The amount of times he's mentioned it, it must have grown on him.
They've been enemies for so long that they've become friends
The ending of this video was bizarrely heartwarming for me, like we've finally reached the "acceptance" stage of the grief cycle lol.
I do prefer the official cut. The absurdity of the alligator suddenly showing up alive at the courthouse is just so absurd that I never even questioned it. Any less, and like you said, it draws attention to all the other questions. I've always found that the strangeness of the cut we got is part of the humour. The ludicrousness and surprise of the ending is part of the appeal of the episode to me.
As nonsensical and disjointed as the episode is, I've always loved it for its sheer absurdity.
I like the jokes about Homer starting the car without a licence and the kids getting married. Some of the best jokes in a weak ep.
Absolutely. It's a joke I quote on the regular whenever someone tells me I can't do a thing I'm about to do anyways.
@@olenickel6013 Every time someone says you can't do anything, you marry your sister?
@21stcenturymouse Yes.
Strange seeing an actual clip from the show and not just all pictures
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for my money the best joke in the Alligator episode is when the sheriff throws his hat on the ground and it bounces back onto his head
its worth noting that in syndication this episode got cut even further, the part where the train hits them and is pushing the Simpsons car is very jarringly cut in a way that just jumps straight to the conductor prying it off the train, completely removing the parts of them falling asleep in the car and homer getting food from the dining car. Broadcast TV is obnoxiously paranoid about how much time they have to run ad's and don't really care how much shows have to be butchered to accommodate that, hell when Adult Swim ran King of the Hill I was shocked at how many scenes I was seeing for the first time because fox cut them even in prime time airings.
As an international viewer who has never been to Florida, I honestly believed the alligator being alive at the end was one more (of several!) dig at Florida and its residents being too stupid to check of it was actually dead. The whole episode makes fun of Florida and the subculture there, and it's far from the only show to do so. Florida is a regular punchline of jokes about the US after all. I think the episode holds up on its own just as it is without the need to recut it.
That was my take too. I may not know much about Florida, but even I as a non-american have heard of the concept of Florida Man where not checking if the alligator was actually dead would be a slow day for that guy.
I'm an American who has been to Florida and that was also my take.
I know almost nothing about that country but it seems florida is probably the joke target of preference after alabama
@@GarkKahn as a life long Floridian, the state is just 6 San Diegos surrounded by Alabama.
@@119Agent
This is true; but as a lifelong Floridian myself I would sooner swerve to miss an alligator if it meant running over an uppity snowbird.
I know it's all subjective, but in my opinion, the whole Lisa and Homer "can't drive without a license" exchange is the funniest and most memorable part of the entire episode.
it is, it's one of my favorite joke from the whole show
I'm starting to appreciate the Captain Jack twist because of its absurdity. The allegator is somehow alive and appears out of nowhere, and everyone just accepts it.
They just let the family go right there and then, like the reveal invalidates the fact they escaped out of prision.
I feel Kill the Alligator and Run could've been an episode of Wiggum PI if that spin-off ever got greenlit
I like that episode
I have a feeling we'll meet again each and every week. Always in more sexy and exciting ways.
If the biggest issue is “how did the alligator make it to the courthouse without people noticing”, just make it clearer (through dialogue or a sign) that Captain Jack was lying in state.
So when he *does* Lenin his way out from his glass box to crush Simpsons continuity, it’s a bit more reasonable...
Or change “Alligator walks out of courthouse” into “Delivered alive on truck, turns out folks had been trying to call to say he’s alive but *insert reason for not picking up*”, if it can be animated in time
This level of bargaining and fighting for every possible second of spare time in this video feels like a speedrun
Only thing missing is HOME - We’re Finally Landing in the bg music.
Jim's obsession with this episode will follow him to his grave
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His final video will declare it his #1 favorite episode.
The key to Scully's bad episodes are that they're so bad that they become more hilarious and fondful over time; you have to LOVE hating them. In contrast, Al Jean's bad episodes are usually just... bad. For example, I will see [people enjoying and laughing themselves while ranting about "Kill the Alligator and Run" and "Saddlesore Galactica"] more than I'll ever hear [anyone attempting to talk about "Co-Dependents Day" past a disgruntled sigh].
Great video, Jims. Long live Captain Jack!
Bad Jean episodes (shiver) Jazzy and The Pussy Cats. It's Lisa is somewhat responsible for Bart getting crippled and Marge guilt trips Bart. What!😡
The only bad Scully era episode I can think of is Children of lesser Cod. Great Money Caper is awesome but there is one line I dislike. I hate how Homer called his own daughter sucker.
I always thought the alligator was playing dead, and then happened to wander into the courthouse. Neither things is outside the realm of possibility in Florida
Or the hicks aren't very good at telling that he was only unconscious.
honestly totally believable that the alligator just crawled up out the courthouse toilet
I actually assumed that he went to the courthouse deliberately, after recovering from being knocked out/in a coma, in order to clear the family's names. If he was intelligent enough to have made the town flag, then it doesn't seem like too much of a leap.
Other than the (understandably) rare treat of seeing an actual clip on this channel, I really enjoy this video just for the pleasure of seeing you talk some more production level stuff. This channels discussion of showrunners in general is what got me interested in the shows production, so I always appreciate your videos that head that route!
Also, perhaps the end of this episode can be best fixed in the edit by throwing on the Das Bus ending monologue. How is Captain Jack alive? Lets say... moe.
I have a potential Simpsons Mysteries idea: in the commentary for "New Kid on the Block," Conan O'Brien mentions that he wrote a large portion of an episode that he wasn't credited for; then drops this conversation to avoid getting in trouble with the guild. Which episode was it? There is some speculation that this was "Last Exit to Springfield" because it matches Conan's absurd style more than the actual credited writers Kogen and Woolodarsky.
That episode always felt exactly like something he would have wrote. I often pair it up with Marge Vs The Monorail. Hopefully we can get some more news on this.
I can imagine that there were a lot of rewrites on "Last Exit" after Kogen and Wolodarsky left the staff.
That's a tough one because it's so common for scripts to go through many hands, and people in the middle of the process often get shafted despite their contributions. Writing credits often oversimplify who was involved, unfortunately.
I've been watching your channel for years and I had no idea The Simpsons was an animated show and not just still frames moving and flipping around.
14:15 I saw we must go forward, not backward. Upward, not foreward and always twirling. Twirling towards freedom!
Simpsons Showdown - Lisa Goes Gaga vs. The Musk Who Fell to Earth, the "universally hated episodes that focus way too much into a celebrity" episodes.
Easy. While any of the celebrity worship episodes is inherently bad, flattering a known (known at the time as well) white supremacist billionaire grifter like Musk is hands down the worst.
Honestly I never had an issue with the plot twist at the end, the show has always had a tendency to do weird stuff, so the gator coming out of the courtroom seemed like one of those instances to me.
If we need an explanation... I believe Crocs and Alligators go into a dormant state when flipped upside down, in the deleted scene he is still in the same position, maybe in their shock and grief they never bothered to flip him back, luckily he eventually managed to snap out of his nap on his own just in the nick of time.
I always figured he came out of the court house cause that's where the party was. He seemed to have free roam of the town so I didn't think him being able to get inside a building that unusual.
That does make a little bit of sense.
Amazing video TheRealJims - I love just HOW MUCH you'll break down an episode on something like this. The whole issue regarding the Alligator in 'Kill the Alligator and Run' has kept me awake at night for years! ....Actually, when I saw the video come up I did kinda have to ask myself "Wait, which episode is 'Kill the Alligator and Run'?", as it's from that myriad of post-Golden Era episodes that I struggled to have as much interest in and many of which blurred into one. I did recall it as being a lesser episode which I never much liked, though.
Either way, it is interesting following through the whole "the writers just don't care" thing when sometimes, such as this, it's the opposite - it's an episode that's required a lot of extra work and which they really had to juggle. On totally unrelated and yet similar point, I'm currently watching every single episode of 'Classic Doctor Who' and going through one of it's weakest patches with some noteriously weak stories, and yet looking into the various behind-the-scenes production issues of the time has made me at least respect what they were up against in trying to get the damned things out on-screen... So I guess I can kind of compare that to instances like this. I dunno, that comparison worked when I started typing it but I forgot where I was going with it!
Also... the actual shot of the alligator emerging down the steps of the courthouse near the episode (now I've remembered which ep it actually is!), I always assumed to somehow be a nod or homage to a well recognised shot in 1985's 'Dawn of the Dead', where a 'gator indeed waddles down some courthouse steps (in a zombie infested city), a shot that was even used on some of the posters for that movie, and even wondered if there was originally some sort of tie-in joke with that movie more that got deleted (but seemingly not). As with the (non)-death of Captain Jack and so much about 'Kill the Alligator...', it's just a mystery. No wait, I finally got it. The joke was, that Captain Jack was now actually a zombie alligator, and was now gonna go around eating people. It finally makes sense.
"Say the line, Bart!"
*"The alligator was alive the entire time"*
You'd cut the trying to drive without a license joke? That's flat out one of my favorite Simpson's gags.
That was my favourite joke in the episode, not sure I’d rate it quite as highly as you but I did appreciate it more than “I like that” lady. To each their own I suppose!
I would never cut the not paying for two weddings joke. Cut literally everything else in the episode that is by far my favorite joke.
No, Mr. Simpson! An alligator is a living creature!
I don't care! A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
nah nah nah nah you can't cut the driver license joke, it's literally one of my favorite jokes from all the simpsons
My first thought is that you could get rid of Homer shouting "BRING ON THE RAPPING GRANNY!"
I think it all boils down to "LOL Florida dumb, yo". They don't realize they have dozens of massive alligators they're referring to as "Jack".
The license miracle is the best gag in the episode!
This is such a good one jim! Going into deleted scenes is so interesting. Makes me wanna see you do a video about cut contact from the show after it aired. Like things that were censored later on. Wonder how much of that there is?
I know Marge vs. SSCCATAG originally had the line "I'm gonna tell an anecdote about oral sex... without having to look around" (in the script) that got change to "lovemaking". Home Sweet Homediddily had the Pier 1/Trader Pete's joke, and Dude Where's My Ranch has the "Go back to Pittsburgh!/Grosse Point!" line. Current airings use Grosse Point, but the script and the Spanish dub have Pittsburgh.
@@scrooge200 interesting!
I ones read or saw a video about some older episode having word "ass" changed after it was aired. The episode had both Mr. Burns and Bart saying the word, but the lines were switched afterwards, so there is only one ass said aloud, but the character saying it was chanced.
The Las Vegas episode changed a line about "Hitler's birthday" to "Lassie's birthday," because of Columbine.
A suggestion for Mysteries, tho I think it might be a hard one to do, is WHEN did Burns join the Stonecutters? He's a lower number than Lenny, but SO much older than him, and they get a number based on the order they joined. So, since the only ways to join are be the son of a Stonecutter (Burns would have been in LONG before Lenny), or save the life of a Stonecutter, he would have had to save someones life. And WHEN would that have happened??
There's probably a few Stonecutters related mysteries that could be incorporated into one video.
My head canon for why Captain Jack was alive was simply an incompetent vet, who was either fired shortly after or was kept because they were the most qualified vet they had to look after alligators.
I've always thought that Mr Teeny quote was weird. Even in an absolute sense, Trilogy of Error made a pretty decent amount of sense. That's especially the case when you compare it to something like this, or, say, the ending of Bart the Murderer. Just a very strange episode to use that line on.
I think Homer's joke about the drivers license is too good to cut. I just like it.
This is without a doubt one of your most elaborate videos. Well done. I admire your daring exploration of trying to make the episode more understandable. Captain Jack is a truly fantastic alligator and I admire him too. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on how to edit the episode. Also I’m glad to be one of your subscribers and I love seeing a lot of your different ideas and projects.
They could ADR a line in somewhere and have one of the characters say. "People were sure upset at the alligator's funeral in the court house." That's 5 seconds.
I feel simply adding a line to the radio newscast at the diner and mentioning an upcoming memorial for Capt. Jack at the courthouse, would have worked pretty well.
That said, I know that it was probably a bit too late to record anything new at that point.
I always thought the alligator showing up out of nowhere was supposed to be a sort of comedic deus ex machina
Calling the psychiatrist a psychologist, boy I sure hope somebody got fired for that blunder. Another 10/10 Jims video.
I love this comment. I’d noticed it but wasn’t particularly bothered, but the reference combined with still being a perfect rating (undercutting the reference) legitimately made me laugh for like 80 seconds so. Thanks lol
Glad you appreciated it!
This was a fascinating episode, it's more of a deep dive analysis into the economies of TV producing.
Do more like this, maybe with some other eps and explain why their scenes were deleted.
I've always been curious why the "Robotic Richard Simmons" was cut when it was such a good joke.
The writers actually talk about why they cut Robot Richard Simmons in the DVD commentary. When they screened the episode for the show's staff, it just didn't get a laugh.
I suspect it's because it's kind of a gimmick joke, so because the staff had already seen the script, they didn't find it as funny. But for fans, the idea is much more surprising and unexpected, so the humor lands really well.
As someone who watches a lot of Doctor Who, it made complete sense to me that Captain Jack couldn't die
The alligator is a Fixed Point in Time.
0:33 The weird thing about this animation error is that while the crowd is otherwise frozen they still animated the candle lights moving (and the smoke coming from that one woman's cigarette).
This is one of my favorite episodes, I always figured the alligator crawled up the toilet to get to the courthouse.I think the plot is supposed to be zany and nonsensical and I can understand that it’s not to everyone’s taste but I’m laughing the whole way through every-time I watch it
I love your tone in these videos, it's that of someone who doesn't really love or hate the show but for whatever reason has all this knowledge about it
I love that driver’s License and ADR joke.
I think seeing your thoughts on them really explained why they were so willing to let the alligator scene go. It wasn’t done well and this episode has so many good scenes.
It works well enough without the explanation, I think I’m happiest with “a wizard did it”
Stupid plot, but hilarious jokes.
"No listening. Understood?"
"No?"
"You just don't learn do you"
The “I like that” Lady is the most underutilized character.
You make Simpsons content... I like that.
I like when the sheriff said during spring break. I'm a nice guy but for the rest of the year. I'm a real hard-ass.
I always found this episode to be one of those "dumb fun" ones that require you to shut your brain off, and that's kind of what I want to leave it as.
A good example of the nightmare that editing is coming down to the wire on a deadline. Great video as always.
What they could’ve done is reversed the crowd shot to show people lining up to see the dead alligator, and use that as lead in visuals for the court case using a gavel, and some judge speak or something.
I love your Simpsons mysteries videos. Keep up the good work!
it's been around 7-8 years since i saw your first Simpsons Mysteries video, and i am glad to see you haven't left the scene after all these years.
Thank you.
0:21 Wait what? Real footage with audio!
Kill the Alligator and Run is one of my favorite Simpsons episodes. While I admit it's all over the place, the number of jokes in it always kills me. It's one of those episodes that just has such good laughs in it, that I'm always surprised when I re-watch it, like 'Whoa, that jokes from this episode'!
Fun fact: the word 'Aligator' is derived from the Latin words 'Ali' meaning 'not,' and 'gator' meaning 'a crocodile.'
The alligator was not a crocodile the entire time?!
Ali = not
Gator = a crocodile
No it absolutely doesn't. Neither of those are even latin words.
It comes from the spanish "el lagarto", meaning "the lizard", which eventually morphed into "aligarto" and then "alligator".
That's a fun falsehood right there. "Alligator" is derived from Spanish "el lagarto" (the lizard)
@@meemp.2826 Isn't "wyrm" an old English word for a type of dragon?
For the episode you hate the most this one sure does get a lot of coverage
I like that!
@@calypso2099 me too :) I love the saltiness and that this is a great ongoing channel joke like Selmoe
@@maxswagger164 you took my cheap reference at face value. I like that!
This episode (and that dang alligator) haunts this channel.
Hopefully this video puts it to rest, lol
@@TheRealJims no, like the alligator, it will be back even whilst all believe him dead
you CAN'T get rid of the "You can't drived Dad, he's got your license!" joke
It was fundamental in the development of my humor as a child. lol
You put a lot of time and effort into analysing an aspect of an episode I didn't even remember. I like that.
Now we need a Simpsons Mysteries episode about how the warthog was able to get inside the car without being noticed
I always assumed he just crawled out of the courthouse toilet or something
“It’s why some people accidentally make their Mario Maker levels too hard.”
Yeah, “accidentally”. Let’s go with that.
I don't know how The Simpsons will actually end, but that last season better include someone finding Captain Jack and finishing the job.
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I gotta say that seeing you actually use animated footage is some whiplash, lemme tell ya.
I... I really dont understand how another scene showing the alligator being dead would've improved this? Wouldnt that just make it worse? It really never bothered me that the alligator was in the courthouse
Don't overthink it. A wizard brought Captain Jack back to life.
You decided not to cut Old Velma out to make way for the alligator deleted scene.
I like that.
This video was completely pointless.
I like that.
Good video on one of my absolute favouriste episodes. That drivers license/starting car joke has been on my mind since the episode first aired. And whenever i think of it i always chuckle a bit. I don't know why, but for some reason that specific scene is the one from simpsons that's always been with me.
awesome! never seen that deleted scene in the intro. Can't wait for the rest...
you spent a lot of time and energy trying to fix a lesser episode of The Simpsons; I like that!
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The car scene is one I quote all the time. The whole dynamic if Homer was being sarcastic with a touch of psychopathy or was Homer actually shocked his car started without him holding a piece of plastic.
There it is. the absolute peak of this channel, nothing can get better than this.
Also, everybody seems to stan Velma, i like that!
I don't understand anything. How is the deleted scene supposed to explain anything? He's dead and the people are there for his funeral, right? I'm so confused.
2 years late but its just to establish a reason for him being at the courthouse. it makes the following scene less random, but as jim says, even more absurd that nobody realized he was alive.
honestly, i think its funnier that captain jack just walks out of the courthouse alive with no explanation
Really interesting seeing actual clips from the show! This was a great episode
Well the quote from the Sheriff at the end "Well don't that beat all. I guess you folks most have just stunned him." does that not explain it ?
Hey, we’re out of these "A wizard did it" memes.” “Well, open up the "Boy I Really Hope Somebody Got Fired For That Blunder" barrel."
I can't hate on the episode because I REALLY love Homer's mental breakdown, it's really funny to me!
I honestly want to know why the writers were so insistent on having the Alligator as a plot point when the episode was doing just fine.
Love these videos man. They've helped me through some hard times
This Simpsons Mystery is so epic for this channel, Jim used an actual clip from the show for once. Incredible.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
3:18
Yes! I was comparing this to Mario Maker before you even said it!
It's the perfect analogy!