In Tekken 7 it was so hard to got into the blue ranks. All blue ranks players in T7 know their fundamentals. In T8 most of the players in blue ranks don't care about their fundementals. They play very agressive and walk into many counters.
Not necessarily, but get to Fujin in T7 is closer to be a bushin here in my opinion. Defense was stronger in T7 and maybe (hopefully) soon the game is going to take that direction again!
As someone completely new to fighting games, the decision to make it so that everything below warrior doesn't get demoted seems really strange. I'm shit, yet the game keeps promoting me just because of a few lucky wins. I should be staying in the bottom ranks because that's where my skill level's at, isn't that how ranks are supposed to work?
I thought it was strange as well as a new player, but i was stuck in green ranks for a few weeks because I was getting smoked, I eventually made it out and am now at the bottom of yellows which is the real beginner rank. I look back at those early ranks as the tutorial to ranked online play.
@@ripplecutter233 lol yeah, Beginner to Warrior is essentially one big pool, about 15% of players. One can still see people who have yet to learn how to block in Warrior, the variation is apparent
What do you expect, you don’t have to start over if you’re demo’d, busted characters were unchecked for months and you’re allowed to use heat and rage in the same round. Forcing the rematch ain’t the issue, you were allowed to farm in t7 and it wasn’t this bad. If they reset my rank when they have more pressing things to fix, I wouldn’t play as much if at all again. Going thru that pluggers paradise again ain’t it.
I think the game is taking steps into the right direction overall, we have seen in the difference already between EVO Japan and Baaz gauntlet, with the second tournament being way more pleasant to the eyes!!! I am expecting the game to eventually get to a great spot!!!
@WildFighterX a good Ole fashion barn burning fight. If u got in the ring with me u would know. I'm coming at ya with everything I got. I'm not going to run and poke
the thing is the player base grew a lot. T7 used to get something like 7k players if im not mistaken and now t8 scores anything around 30k+. a lot of new players. the community was closed back then most people knew each other and everyone was familiar with the game. now with the amount of beginner friendly mechanics in the game and the massive player count jump most veterans are way higher than where they used to be.
I really feel the rank inflation a lot. Tekken 8 is my first tekken and after the initial getting used to the game i was pretty consistently in Garyu, sometimes even dropping back to Orange. Then i took a longer break of 5-6 weeks and suddenly i breeze through red ranks in a few days and get to mighty ruler.
I think there is another factor involved... taking a break from Tekken resets your gameplay a LOT!!! I always play better after a break and get wins; do not underestimate your victories!!!!!
@@TheGianGame Yeah true that might have affected it as well. Just what i notice is that beforehand people in purple ranks beat me by having better movement or defense while in my current matches no one seems to punish or side step my moves barely ever
What an achievement :) my first tekken and i'm a bushin and feel like sh... for not being able to hit tekken king for two weeks and this one is talking about rsnk inflation because they just hit mighty ruler ahahaha
So you made a good point in the video. The ranking system in theory is positive overall with the exception of the bo3 format being dispensible (should force the entire set so no cherry picking). The idea makes sense. Bandai namco clearly wants new players to feel accessible in the ranking system. This means that new players should NOT feel like its impossible to climb. Old tekken ranking system gate kept ranks very hard. It took several years for non tournament level players to get out of orange ranks. Pushing players to at least yellow ranks motivates players and removes initial anxiety when starting ranks for the first time. Having the ability to promote after a demotion makes it less scary to play rank when you are in the borderline demotion. All positive change objectively. However the three issues I see are: 1. Cherry picking matches and plugging 2. Gaining points from two or three ranks below for winning streak bonus 3. Not enough "competitive" ranks. The true ranking experience starts at blue ranks thanks to the point system. This legit means there are only 9 ranks that feel "competitive" (a good indicator of skill). That is NOT enough ranks to properly classify skill for good players. To summarize the ranking system is positive for newcomers (they still feel challenge but rank improvements feel "doable") but are negative impacts for high level players. I would like to see an additional rank similar to "challenger/master rank" in league of legends where top players can properly assess their skills in that tier. This one rank should NOT be as assessible as other ranks.
Regarding the win streaks, I think now it doesn't go more than one rank below but I have to double check, and I honestly see plugging as a minor issue now. You still see people rage quitting sometimes, but is not as systematic as 2 months ago
your absolutely correct I dont consider myself that good at the game but when the game first came out in Feb fighting Ganryu and Shinryu ranks felt like the real deal now FF 3 months later fighting ppl all the way to Battle Ruler for me doesnt feel that difficult even when I took a 2 month hiatus from the game only blue ranks start giving me trouble as a casual of the game
Around a month ago i climbed to Fujin only losing 4 games in Purple, winning 41 out of 45. Now I've not benefited from the lack of punishment from demoted as I've haven't been demoted yet, my 1st thought was that was very easy. But to be fair in 7 i didn't play ranked much got Seiryu on PS4 and Xbox, Genbu on PC but dropped the PC version as people were rage quitting me every 2 games by the time I hit Orange. Never struggled that much and was having an easy time in reds. So I don't know whether I'd be a purple or blue if i had not dropped the game. Either way I was very surprised to get Fujin so easily, it does feel like the level has gone down, but at the same time I don't want a reset. Just change some perimeters make it so you can demote at any rank past 1st Dan and have some proper punishment for the demotions and those that are too high will start to tumble backwards.
I just hit Tekken King. I'm planning on doing player match for a couple weeks before going back into ranked. The people I get matched against now are great players.
I used a charater yesterday that was Eliminator and they matched me up against a Busin. Until they stop matching according to Tekken Prowess , Rank matching will be broken.
In ranked I set only +-2 ranks for matchmaking, in quick match is a bit more annoying: I started pressing button with Jack 8 and in quick match I get only Kishin and above, therefore I cannot practice. So I do only ranked in lower characters
Its crazy how some blues are soo trash i played vs a jun and alisa in raijin and kishin and they werent ducking or sidestepping my wr2 as claudio when i was using it heavily
I barely even touch ranked anymore because once I got to Fujin I started seeing the same 3 or 4 characters, and its just not fun to fight characters who just lock you down with plus frames and have perfect mixups. My ranked win rate is still like 78% and with Steve too, so I know I can definitely climb to Bushin or higher if I wanted to. Just not having fun fighting the same people.
Before doing a soft reset, and tbh I don’t think it’ll happen in year 1. First we have characters that are waaay too overtuned, so make changes to that. Make changes to the actual elo system. Observe and see how it affects the game. Then maybe change the FT2 rules. If all of these fail. Then I think a soft reset is in order. We al know that some of the in game fighters have better tools than others. Because after this latest patch all I’ve seen online are Law, Jin, and Feng. Players are obviously changing with whatever the current meta is
I've been saying this for a while. There are blue ranks that do some of the most punishable, braindead crap I've ever seen. I'll sit in complete shock when one tries to mash armor when I'm +15. It's mind numbing
They need to do what SF6 did. Have the main ranks be easy to climb to keep more casual/newer players engaged, Then in Tekken God have a real elo system for the more serious players.
I legit was looking at the video and I can't believe you completely skipped over something critical. The power system. I am a Tekken Emperor player I have around 240k pp all I fight are Tekken God, Emperor , supreme and God of Destructions on alts. The matches are sweaty try hard every single match I was curious what would happen if I was a Fujin again I surrendered every single match till I fell down took a few alot of time. However I never faught people at the Fujin rank because they're power was to low. I'm still fighting the exact same people at lower ranks . I then made a brand new account where I essentially slaughtered every single player till Fujin. Fighting people at Fujin they where around 190k averagely meeting opponents even up to Kishin range completely free. The power rank matters way more than the actual rank.
The Tekken prowess system is a massive topic for a separate video. I have noticed that keeping +-2 rank for matchmaking works kind of ok. But definitely that system needs some tweaking
the point gain and loss amount is just stupid, I don't fundamentally disagree with rank differences higher than 2 or 3 giving and costing less, but if I'm losing to a higher ranked player I should lose less than if I lose to a lower ranked player, and if I beat them I should gain more. this and normalizing point gains in general should be enough to make it a normal ranked system much like elo in chess and other games. but we could also change it so if I'm matched with a way higher ranked player and I beat them I gain massive amounts of points and they lose a ton as well, you could argue if people want to mess around they should go to player matches ( why no infinite rematches there either?? ) or lobbies. ranked is for ranked and let the experience be actually competitive with people getting what they deserve. Forcing Sets is something I generally want as well. but we could also let them not continue if both players agree not to. If you leave the set you lose points equal to as if you'd lost the remaining games, if you really have something to do then those point losses don't matter, they only matter if you keep cherry picking or some other niche cases. It's supposed to be competitive, how is 1 game going to show anything? very little chance to adapt, maybe I did just win based on luck or other reasons, same reasons why any game tournaments you look it's not a ft1 another issue is prowess matchmaking, I understand that they want to match 'smurfs' against other 'smurfs' but if my alt character's rank is already lower then I'm also expected to perform worse, let me play players of those ranks until I get to the rank I deserve with that character as well, what the hell is the point of the rank system then?
When I started Tekken 7 was my first online Tekken. I always thought I was "good" at the game and I was hardstuck in green ranks for ages. It's a marathon don't let yourself down!!!
Hmm, if it is done by random sampling data can be a bit biased. Anyways rank inflation is not much of a problem in Asian or Middle East servers. People are stronger for same color compared to what was in T7 with exception of a few characters or ranks before warrior.
Rather than easy it ties very much to the character you are using and how you pilot it...trust me when I say them every rank with Bryan feels like an achievement.
Daaaammmn the fujin purgatory is real man, I was in there for Years in T7. Now I'm Bushin but have to get a lot better to breack into God ranks, the gatekeeping is REAL
That's not exactly true... You get matched with players that have similar Tekken talent. So when I'm a Tekken King with 200.000+ talent I won't beat up on weaker players if I play side characters
@@jonassilent9788 so the weak players just play each other and more weak players get funneled to blue. A 300k prowess fujin is not facing all fujins, but only other high prowess fujins while a low prowess fujin just plays other low prowess fujins so the ranks don't mean anything anymore
I'm 120k Tekken prowess and my side character (Reina), I'm in yellow ranks and im constantly fighting others with the same or more Tekken prowess than I have. Kinda hard to learn tye character if I'm fighting people who have the same skill level as my main (Lars, have him in Garyu).
Exactly this! I’m just bad at the game, my highest rank is Eliminator with Paul, trying out King I’ve getting absolutely reamed at Warrior by green ranks with mains that are Flame Ruler 😭😭😭😭
Basically, unless you are in the top ranks, (Tekken King upwards) your rank means nothing in this system. That is really bad. I hope the Tekken team looks at this data and makes some adjustments. I don't even play ranked, but it's not a good look if your competitive system in your fighting game sucks. I hope they will fix it.
U lose more points in fujin then u gain tho.. u need to mantain above a 50 percent win rate to maintain that rank. How is that meaningless. U have to be above average to be blue or above, assuming u dont plug.
What you're saying @ around 05:00 is top garbage. There's no way of knowing for certain that you'll be able to beat someone when you yourself are at a low rank, say, blue rank or below. You don't have the neccessary knowledge to be superior to throw away first match to farm points by winning the next two. Also, you never know when people will be 'one and done' and not rematching. I've had people not rematch me even after THEY win. So that system of farming or exploiting points as yo mention it is not possioble or existing. This is just a theoretical bullsh!t alot of youtubers are saying and I've never seen it happening.
It's not about farming rather that manipulating your demotion, it is not foul proof but you can definitely play around. Especially considering after getting demoted the probability of getting paired with someone weaker rises.
The online component of this game is horrible. Some times i have to wait 15-20 minutes to find a game in rank. There is a lot of lag issues so im contantly having input problems where the wrong move comes out accidently. Pluggers are not punished so i waste all this time playing them and waiting 15 minutes more to find another player. In rank i get matched with the same higher ranked opponent 3 times in a row, lose all 3 and get demoted. Honestly the netcode and online experience is way better in street fighter 6 and even killer instinct
@290metin Yeah heart of Europa, so there is a healthy player base. Also, I don't run into a lot of pluggers recently it's gotten a lot better in that regard around here too. Where are you from? Seems a lot to be desired in your region.
I remember most ppl in T7 green ranks had over 200 wins. Reaching Vanquisher in that game was truly the equivalent to reaching Fujin in T8. The power level has changed drastically.
I think this system is perfect , it separates the scrubs that lie to themselves and think they are good and use childish tactics to gain points , but once you get to fujin+ they will quit because people already ran into enough scrubs in the Ruler ranks. Just play to get good , rank for experience against scrub tactics. With enough dicipline you will reach a lvl you never though you could
Ι don't believe that the ranking system is perfect, it definitely has flaws but I agree with you for the most part. Keep in mind that with so many people in Garyu, it's only natural that there are players of multiple skill levels, since what really matter is which character you're in Garyu with. Someone who got from Combatant to Garyu with Eddy/Asuka/Victor/pre-nerfs Dragunov/Xiaoyu is on a different level than someone who climbed with Steve/Bryan/Lee/Yoshimitsu. The ranking system so far keeps those who got carried by their characters stuck at an intermediate level and rewards those who can actually get a grasp of the game's fundamentals. As for the cheesy spammers, eventually they'll quit the game entirely, exactly because the ranking system won't reward them. Oh and by the way, fuck Xiaoyu players, nobody mains this shit for her charming character, it's just a way to get an ego boost through wins, she needs to get nerfed
There has been a noticeable drop in player quality in tekken king through tekken god, tbh. I got emperor like a month ago, stopped playing the game because ranked was cancer, and I logged back on to see how things were and the players populating tekken emperor and tekken king are dogshit. tekken god took less than an hour. every time I look at blue rank streams its the same thing, the player quality is significantly less than it was in tekken 7 blue. purple all the way to raijin looks like AI bots fighting each other. kinda tragic to see them go in this direction, there's no competitive integrity in the game whatsoever
You didnt talk about the major ranked problem. If you beat or get beat someone with an higher rank you are not rewarded or forgiven. Like if you are bushin and u get destroyed by tekken emperor there is no compensation, you were just unlucky, and if u win, nobody care
I use to be annoyed by this a lot, but I started to considered player above my rank as my equal; as they represent the rank I am aiming to. Implementing a Tekken 7 rank point system in this game would sadly increment the inflation in the system.
The rank system definitely sucks. I'm at purple lv.3 and everytime I'm close to blue, someone unplug or a high rank beat me, and I lose so many points. And I need to win 3 matches or to catch back up from 1 lost.🤦🏾♂️ My fight data for rank is 52% win rate. I only use Leroy... ✊🏾🙌🏾🧘🏾♂️🔥🦸🏾♂️💜
@@AhopeGG nah ranked is just inflated. The man can do combos that’s it. He can’t utilize movement or punish. He mashes on minus and doesn’t nearly use his character to her fullest.
@@AhopeGG the game doesn’t take nearly as much skill as 7. It’s no longer playing advantage and defending against mixups. It’s just guessing and trying not to die. That isn’t fun
That's a nice way of seeing it, locking the best of 3 on the rematch onwards. Very interesting point of view. I have done a full video on the best of three system on T8, you should check it out!
All of you ppl comparing T7 ranks with T8 have totally skewed perspectives because you're comparing a new game with late stage T7. TMM made a few statistical breakdowns throughout T7's full timeline. I looked at his video from 3 months into the game. We're now almost 4 months into T8. Green ranks were actually the top 17%. Blue ranks are right now pretty much equivalent to green ranks back then. But if I remember correctly they adjusted the system with S2, which increased the inflation significantly. I was a T7 S1 Green rank player, eventually reaching yellow, but that was towards the end of S1. The green ranks would usually be decent at identifying and countering highs and lows from strings, as well as frame gaps in your strings. I definately noticed this as Hwoarang. They would also blind break throws effectively. I found normal grabs to be useless, and even with other grabs, many would start to catch on if you kept abusing them. They would always do proper combos, maybe not the ideal ones and wall conversions were hit or miss. Punishing was ok. They would usually know launch punishable stuffs, but other punishing was inconsistent. Sidestepping was inconsistent. With some characters you could reach the top green rank without necessarily having all of these tools up to par, but for standard characters like any Mishima or Lee, it was a requirement. In T8 they did shift up and squeeze together the ranks, changing the lowest true rank from I think 1st dan to Cavalry. They also decreased the amount of ranks per color. But in my experience, each rank feels larger. That is probably the only thing I like more about T8's system. In T7 I would jojo between ranks, often dropping 2 ranks. In T8 I have never dropped two ranks. It's clear that they're approaching T8 ranked very shortsighted. The prowess change just confirmed this. They care more about the non veteran players getting positive feedback from the game, than they care about the integrity of the ranking system. Rather than being stuck in light blue and green, they have now spread us out from yellow to blue. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they can stop the inflation, which I'm sceptical that they will, but if you look beyond blue you see that there's only 5 ranks left. The veterans are supposed to share all of those ranks. That's insane. And this game isn't even half a year old. It will look much worse a year after release. I think it will be necessary for them to create a separate league to isolate everybody who have reached the top rank.
That's a very detailed answer, Thank you! I remember the days of the green ranks in S1 I was one of them, arguably that was a "proper" ranking system but I would say way too harsh for the majority of players. In a game like Tekken there will always be characters that ease your way climbing up the ladder. Looking at the percentage I'd say that the top ranks are actually the one working, as at the end they include the 4% of the player and they half on any rank up. I'd focus more into give meanings into rulers and red ranks, maybe making them gaining and losing the same amount of point, this should help to spread the share of people a bit more!
The biggest problem in tekken 8 is heat without a doubt theres way too much benefit from using it very little if any downside. Once the players that spammed their way to the ruler ranks they get checked by someone who labs then never play ranked again
I am expecting heat to get tune down in June, with the buff on the defensive options that they announced. Mostly hope for not homing and shorter range heat burst and not homing heat smashes!!!
They should reset ranks and have qualifying every season like in other games See if ur still good or if ur rusty gives other a chance to rank up and play the higher rank next season as well .and possibly help balance idk
To get to tekken king was a nightmare, had to go on a bunch of winstreaks back to back just to lose to a dragunov THAT BARELY KNEW THE GAME. Really infuriating. Half of your health gone just from blocking, plus plus plus plus plus frames, to 50/50 to panick move armor. The aggression and heat system is very annoying.
No cherry picker runners the matches are short enough it's only 2 games this isn't tekken force CHICKEN 🐔 there's enough gimmicks and special moves plus silly hopkicks and nutty throws for 2 matches of cheapness if they want 1 win noobs or even good players who can tell your starting to play well then they Run CHEAP! fake rankers 😂
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In Tekken 7 it was so hard to got into the blue ranks. All blue ranks players in T7 know their fundamentals.
In T8 most of the players in blue ranks don't care about their fundementals. They play very agressive and walk into many counters.
Not necessarily, but get to Fujin in T7 is closer to be a bushin here in my opinion. Defense was stronger in T7 and maybe (hopefully) soon the game is going to take that direction again!
I played at the end of tekken 7 and bleu wasn't that good i am tekken king now Leroy am happy with the buffs
@diediedie649 yeah the average blue ranks in tekken 7 weren't good either.
Definitely agree with this.
i agree although i still end up losing to some questionable players
As someone completely new to fighting games, the decision to make it so that everything below warrior doesn't get demoted seems really strange.
I'm shit, yet the game keeps promoting me just because of a few lucky wins.
I should be staying in the bottom ranks because that's where my skill level's at, isn't that how ranks are supposed to work?
Yes and no it gives the Player the motivation to rank up more without getting frustation. It's mainly for the casuals
I see that as a massive buffer for super new players to learn what they are gonna find and feel on line!!!
I thought it was strange as well as a new player, but i was stuck in green ranks for a few weeks because I was getting smoked, I eventually made it out and am now at the bottom of yellows which is the real beginner rank. I look back at those early ranks as the tutorial to ranked online play.
I disliked that. It's like they're pushing me out of the kiddy pool so early. I'm not ready 😭
@@ripplecutter233 lol yeah, Beginner to Warrior is essentially one big pool, about 15% of players. One can still see people who have yet to learn how to block in Warrior, the variation is apparent
What do you expect, you don’t have to start over if you’re demo’d, busted characters were unchecked for months and you’re allowed to use heat and rage in the same round. Forcing the rematch ain’t the issue, you were allowed to farm in t7 and it wasn’t this bad. If they reset my rank when they have more pressing things to fix, I wouldn’t play as much if at all again. Going thru that pluggers paradise again ain’t it.
I think the game is taking steps into the right direction overall, we have seen in the difference already between EVO Japan and Baaz gauntlet, with the second tournament being way more pleasant to the eyes!!! I am expecting the game to eventually get to a great spot!!!
T7 should never be in any discussion. It's not even a fighting game it's a runners game. Run and poke that is t7 and that my friend is not tekken
@@OgSleep Then what is tekken in your opinion
@WildFighterX a good Ole fashion barn burning fight. If u got in the ring with me u would know. I'm coming at ya with everything I got. I'm not going to run and poke
@@OgSleep interesting 🤔
the thing is the player base grew a lot. T7 used to get something like 7k players if im not mistaken and now t8 scores anything around 30k+. a lot of new players. the community was closed back then most people knew each other and everyone was familiar with the game. now with the amount of beginner friendly mechanics in the game and the massive player count jump most veterans are way higher than where they used to be.
I really feel the rank inflation a lot. Tekken 8 is my first tekken and after the initial getting used to the game i was pretty consistently in Garyu, sometimes even dropping back to Orange. Then i took a longer break of 5-6 weeks and suddenly i breeze through red ranks in a few days and get to mighty ruler.
I think there is another factor involved... taking a break from Tekken resets your gameplay a LOT!!! I always play better after a break and get wins; do not underestimate your victories!!!!!
Maybe you got better ;)
@@TheGianGame Yeah true that might have affected it as well. Just what i notice is that beforehand people in purple ranks beat me by having better movement or defense while in my current matches no one seems to punish or side step my moves barely ever
When ur getting ur ass kicked just log off a couple of hrs go into training and get back Into the heat!
What an achievement :) my first tekken and i'm a bushin and feel like sh... for not being able to hit tekken king for two weeks and this one is talking about rsnk inflation because they just hit mighty ruler ahahaha
So you made a good point in the video.
The ranking system in theory is positive overall with the exception of the bo3 format being dispensible (should force the entire set so no cherry picking).
The idea makes sense. Bandai namco clearly wants new players to feel accessible in the ranking system.
This means that new players should NOT feel like its impossible to climb. Old tekken ranking system gate kept ranks very hard. It took several years for non tournament level players to get out of orange ranks.
Pushing players to at least yellow ranks motivates players and removes initial anxiety when starting ranks for the first time.
Having the ability to promote after a demotion makes it less scary to play rank when you are in the borderline demotion.
All positive change objectively. However the three issues I see are:
1. Cherry picking matches and plugging
2. Gaining points from two or three ranks below for winning streak bonus
3. Not enough "competitive" ranks.
The true ranking experience starts at blue ranks thanks to the point system. This legit means there are only 9 ranks that feel "competitive" (a good indicator of skill).
That is NOT enough ranks to properly classify skill for good players.
To summarize the ranking system is positive for newcomers (they still feel challenge but rank improvements feel "doable") but are negative impacts for high level players.
I would like to see an additional rank similar to "challenger/master rank" in league of legends where top players can properly assess their skills in that tier. This one rank should NOT be as assessible as other ranks.
Regarding the win streaks, I think now it doesn't go more than one rank below but I have to double check, and I honestly see plugging as a minor issue now. You still see people rage quitting sometimes, but is not as systematic as 2 months ago
@@TheGianGame ah you're correct
your absolutely correct I dont consider myself that good at the game but when the game first came out in Feb fighting Ganryu and Shinryu ranks felt like the real deal now FF 3 months later fighting ppl all the way to Battle Ruler for me doesnt feel that difficult even when I took a 2 month hiatus from the game only blue ranks start giving me trouble as a casual of the game
Hope you guys understood what?I was trying to say.Sorry using the voice app on my phone
Ranked has been annoying lately, I went from one game way from Kenshin all the way back down to Flame Ruler 🤧 the Stiers are killing me
Keep it up, a lost rank can always be retaken !!!🔵
Stop playing ranked when you're tilted, hop in quick matches for a bit and get back up to peak
Thanks Guys 🫡 you're right
Around a month ago i climbed to Fujin only losing 4 games in Purple, winning 41 out of 45. Now I've not benefited from the lack of punishment from demoted as I've haven't been demoted yet, my 1st thought was that was very easy. But to be fair in 7 i didn't play ranked much got Seiryu on PS4 and Xbox, Genbu on PC but dropped the PC version as people were rage quitting me every 2 games by the time I hit Orange. Never struggled that much and was having an easy time in reds. So I don't know whether I'd be a purple or blue if i had not dropped the game.
Either way I was very surprised to get Fujin so easily, it does feel like the level has gone down, but at the same time I don't want a reset. Just change some perimeters make it so you can demote at any rank past 1st Dan and have some proper punishment for the demotions and those that are too high will start to tumble backwards.
Mmm...it might just make avoid people to play for the risk of losing their rank.
@@TheGianGame Do it in an incremental way, 250 point debuff, 500 etc with each patch till we get to a 1000.
Yea i hope too soo this rank system change . Like minimum ft3 nope ft2 and dont like instant promotion after losing rank
The moment you touch Tekken King, You start playing top players. I get max rank match ups daily.
I just hit Tekken King. I'm planning on doing player match for a couple weeks before going back into ranked. The people I get matched against now are great players.
@@mischiefpwns Congrats and that's a great idea. I feel like this is when you get to experience all the complex layers of Tekken!
I used a charater yesterday that was Eliminator and they matched me up against a Busin. Until they stop matching according to Tekken Prowess , Rank matching will be broken.
In ranked I set only +-2 ranks for matchmaking, in quick match is a bit more annoying: I started pressing button with Jack 8 and in quick match I get only Kishin and above, therefore I cannot practice. So I do only ranked in lower characters
Its crazy how some blues are soo trash i played vs a jun and alisa in raijin and kishin and they werent ducking or sidestepping my wr2 as claudio when i was using it heavily
Yea some people in High ranks are really Bad, they just picked broken characters
If we keep on looking at blue ranks like they were Tekken 7 yes, but early blue ranks now are different!!
I barely even touch ranked anymore because once I got to Fujin I started seeing the same 3 or 4 characters, and its just not fun to fight characters who just lock you down with plus frames and have perfect mixups. My ranked win rate is still like 78% and with Steve too, so I know I can definitely climb to Bushin or higher if I wanted to. Just not having fun fighting the same people.
You should try again, Steve is solid now!!
@TheGianGame Been playing around with him in casual and I definitely agree he feels stronger. Maybe I will
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Before doing a soft reset, and tbh I don’t think it’ll happen in year 1. First we have characters that are waaay too overtuned, so make changes to that. Make changes to the actual elo system. Observe and see how it affects the game. Then maybe change the FT2 rules.
If all of these fail. Then I think a soft reset is in order.
We al know that some of the in game fighters have better tools than others. Because after this latest patch all I’ve seen online are Law, Jin, and Feng. Players are obviously changing with whatever the current meta is
Not to mention at the beginning, people who disconnected went unchecked for months.
I think soft reset would help with the rest of changes on the system, but they might wait until a new seaso .... we'll see!
good video nice to listen to 👍
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I've been saying this for a while. There are blue ranks that do some of the most punishable, braindead crap I've ever seen. I'll sit in complete shock when one tries to mash armor when I'm +15. It's mind numbing
more than halfway to shinryu imma keep grinding tho 🎉
Good job man, keep it up!!!
They need to do what SF6 did. Have the main ranks be easy to climb to keep more casual/newer players engaged, Then in Tekken God have a real elo system for the more serious players.
I feel the top ranks are actually fine, lose streak are very heavy and people is very competent up there!
@@TheGianGame People are*, not people is.
Tekken god ranks have a harsh points system where you lose way more points than you gain
I legit was looking at the video and I can't believe you completely skipped over something critical. The power system. I am a Tekken Emperor player I have around 240k pp all I fight are Tekken God, Emperor , supreme and God of Destructions on alts. The matches are sweaty try hard every single match I was curious what would happen if I was a Fujin again I surrendered every single match till I fell down took a few alot of time. However I never faught people at the Fujin rank because they're power was to low. I'm still fighting the exact same people at lower ranks . I then made a brand new account where I essentially slaughtered every single player till Fujin. Fighting people at Fujin they where around 190k averagely meeting opponents even up to Kishin range completely free. The power rank matters way more than the actual rank.
So true and it’s really annoying..
The Tekken prowess system is a massive topic for a separate video. I have noticed that keeping +-2 rank for matchmaking works kind of ok. But definitely that system needs some tweaking
Great video
Thank you, there is a lot more coming😊
@@TheGianGame earned a sub! Are you Italian as well?
@@bastinelli443 I am indeed!
They need to make the ranks more strict. Go back to the old days where you could get demoted even in Green Ranks.
Even just make them a bit more severe and take the penalty free loss out in green ranks would a lot!
It’s a standard bell curve, this distribution looks normal…. But i do think best of 3 needs to be enforced and plugging needs to be punished.
I really hope for the best of 3!!!
Better than the horrific rank deflation the last few years of T7
I would accept it more on a 8 years old game
I'm one battle ruler and haven't play for a month, started playing again and purple is way easier now!
the point gain and loss amount is just stupid, I don't fundamentally disagree with rank differences higher than 2 or 3 giving and costing less, but if I'm losing to a higher ranked player I should lose less than if I lose to a lower ranked player, and if I beat them I should gain more. this and normalizing point gains in general should be enough to make it a normal ranked system much like elo in chess and other games.
but we could also change it so if I'm matched with a way higher ranked player and I beat them I gain massive amounts of points and they lose a ton as well, you could argue if people want to mess around they should go to player matches ( why no infinite rematches there either?? ) or lobbies. ranked is for ranked and let the experience be actually competitive with people getting what they deserve.
Forcing Sets is something I generally want as well. but we could also let them not continue if both players agree not to. If you leave the set you lose points equal to as if you'd lost the remaining games, if you really have something to do then those point losses don't matter, they only matter if you keep cherry picking or some other niche cases. It's supposed to be competitive, how is 1 game going to show anything? very little chance to adapt, maybe I did just win based on luck or other reasons, same reasons why any game tournaments you look it's not a ft1
another issue is prowess matchmaking, I understand that they want to match 'smurfs' against other 'smurfs' but if my alt character's rank is already lower then I'm also expected to perform worse, let me play players of those ranks until I get to the rank I deserve with that character as well, what the hell is the point of the rank system then?
I love your take on the double cancel to avoid a rematch, that is something I never thought about, absolutely pro to it!!!👍
I feel so bad now as hardstuck eliminator
When I started Tekken 7 was my first online Tekken. I always thought I was "good" at the game and I was hardstuck in green ranks for ages. It's a marathon don't let yourself down!!!
Took a few weeks off the game due to life etc and the moment I get back the purple ranks feel so different since I last played
How
Hmm, if it is done by random sampling data can be a bit biased. Anyways rank inflation is not much of a problem in Asian or Middle East servers. People are stronger for same color compared to what was in T7 with exception of a few characters or ranks before warrior.
Remember when you was way above average when you got mighty ruler in tekken 7?
I remember when it was with Genbu!
I don’t think they’ll do it. The game has a store now. You can’t risk frustrating players
Hope dies last!😅
It’s so easy to rank up in this game. I’ve fought to many ppl at god ranks or on their way to god ranks that are absolute garbage.
Rather than easy it ties very much to the character you are using and how you pilot it...trust me when I say them every rank with Bryan feels like an achievement.
So what's your rank Chrissy? :)
Teh nyou mix in prowess and this gets even worse. Some playing on easy mode while others are playing on hard mode, no in between.
But when results come from the hard character, the gratification is real trust me!!!!
@@TheGianGame I know, but still weird they have a ladder like this. As if some mighty rulers are not real mighty rulers. Lol
Facts because right now I’m in fujin purgatory!!!! And it is FRUSTRATING!!!!!
Keep it up man, eventually we get past our plateau!!!
Daaaammmn the fujin purgatory is real man, I was in there for Years in T7. Now I'm Bushin but have to get a lot better to breack into God ranks, the gatekeeping is REAL
The prowess matchmaking is so dumb, everybody is getting pushed to blues on their mains bc they don't see better players on side characters at all
That's not exactly true... You get matched with players that have similar Tekken talent. So when I'm a Tekken King with 200.000+ talent I won't beat up on weaker players if I play side characters
@@jonassilent9788 so the weak players just play each other and more weak players get funneled to blue. A 300k prowess fujin is not facing all fujins, but only other high prowess fujins while a low prowess fujin just plays other low prowess fujins so the ranks don't mean anything anymore
I'm 120k Tekken prowess and my side character (Reina), I'm in yellow ranks and im constantly fighting others with the same or more Tekken prowess than I have. Kinda hard to learn tye character if I'm fighting people who have the same skill level as my main (Lars, have him in Garyu).
I agree this make quick matches with side character unplayable!!!!
Exactly this! I’m just bad at the game, my highest rank is Eliminator with Paul, trying out King I’ve getting absolutely reamed at Warrior by green ranks with mains that are Flame Ruler 😭😭😭😭
I'm in Bushin atm hoping to get tk soon
Same here man!! same here!!!
@@TheGianGame good luck man hope you get it soon
U and me both brother 😂😂
@@kanoball3391 It happened! 😎
@@TheGianGamelet’s go 🎉
Not true you do get a negative point bigger when you get to blue ranks
Basically, unless you are in the top ranks, (Tekken King upwards) your rank means nothing in this system. That is really bad. I hope the Tekken team looks at this data and makes some adjustments. I don't even play ranked, but it's not a good look if your competitive system in your fighting game sucks. I hope they will fix it.
U lose more points in fujin then u gain tho.. u need to mantain above a 50 percent win rate to maintain that rank. How is that meaningless. U have to be above average to be blue or above, assuming u dont plug.
Raijin and up matters id say, bc you can see the massive dip in players that are stuck in fujin
Absolutely agree with you!
What you're saying @ around 05:00 is top garbage. There's no way of knowing for certain that you'll be able to beat someone when you yourself are at a low rank, say, blue rank or below. You don't have the neccessary knowledge to be superior to throw away first match to farm points by winning the next two. Also, you never know when people will be 'one and done' and not rematching. I've had people not rematch me even after THEY win. So that system of farming or exploiting points as yo mention it is not possioble or existing. This is just a theoretical bullsh!t alot of youtubers are saying and I've never seen it happening.
It's not about farming rather that manipulating your demotion, it is not foul proof but you can definitely play around.
Especially considering after getting demoted the probability of getting paired with someone weaker rises.
The online component of this game is horrible. Some times i have to wait 15-20 minutes to find a game in rank. There is a lot of lag issues so im contantly having input problems where the wrong move comes out accidently.
Pluggers are not punished so i waste all this time playing them and waiting 15 minutes more to find another player. In rank i get matched with the same higher ranked opponent 3 times in a row, lose all 3 and get demoted.
Honestly the netcode and online experience is way better in street fighter 6 and even killer instinct
same shit, already tired looking for matches. i can read the book or do my work in parallel while i am waiting for opponent to be found
Where are you at that you wait 20 min for a game? It takes seconds for me no matter when I play, even at 3 in the Morning.
@@lorestiralongo1618 well, lucky you. Probably you are living somewhere in US, Europe
@290metin Yeah heart of Europa, so there is a healthy player base. Also, I don't run into a lot of pluggers recently it's gotten a lot better in that regard around here too. Where are you from? Seems a lot to be desired in your region.
@@lorestiralongo1618 Kyrgyzstan, Central Asia. Almost no player with whom we can connect besides Russian toxic players
is the title meant to say "inflation"?
Yes i have noticed that days ago, but the video was doing to well and I was scared to touch the title for not screwing with the algorithm!😅
Tekken King is the new Fujin
I remember most ppl in T7 green ranks had over 200 wins.
Reaching Vanquisher in that game was truly the equivalent to reaching Fujin in T8.
The power level has changed drastically.
I still think there is people with lot of games in lower ranks, once we get out of those we tend to forget how we use to play!
I wouldn't go that far. Vanquishers in T7 were a lot easier than blue ranks in Tekken 8.
In tekken 7 even mighty rulers didn't know basic punishes
I think this system is perfect , it separates the scrubs that lie to themselves and think they are good and use childish tactics to gain points , but once you get to fujin+ they will quit because people already ran into enough scrubs in the Ruler ranks.
Just play to get good , rank for experience against scrub tactics.
With enough dicipline you will reach a lvl you never though you could
Ι don't believe that the ranking system is perfect, it definitely has flaws but I agree with you for the most part. Keep in mind that with so many people in Garyu, it's only natural that there are players of multiple skill levels, since what really matter is which character you're in Garyu with.
Someone who got from Combatant to Garyu with Eddy/Asuka/Victor/pre-nerfs Dragunov/Xiaoyu is on a different level than someone who climbed with Steve/Bryan/Lee/Yoshimitsu. The ranking system so far keeps those who got carried by their characters stuck at an intermediate level and rewards those who can actually get a grasp of the game's fundamentals. As for the cheesy spammers, eventually they'll quit the game entirely, exactly because the ranking system won't reward them. Oh and by the way, fuck Xiaoyu players, nobody mains this shit for her charming character, it's just a way to get an ego boost through wins, she needs to get nerfed
I like the system too from blue and above, but I think still could be better
There has been a noticeable drop in player quality in tekken king through tekken god, tbh. I got emperor like a month ago, stopped playing the game because ranked was cancer, and I logged back on to see how things were and the players populating tekken emperor and tekken king are dogshit. tekken god took less than an hour. every time I look at blue rank streams its the same thing, the player quality is significantly less than it was in tekken 7 blue. purple all the way to raijin looks like AI bots fighting each other. kinda tragic to see them go in this direction, there's no competitive integrity in the game whatsoever
I think the competitive ranks are to be seen from emperor and above now, maybe things will change when they buff defence options!
You didnt talk about the major ranked problem. If you beat or get beat someone with an higher rank you are not rewarded or forgiven. Like if you are bushin and u get destroyed by tekken emperor there is no compensation, you were just unlucky, and if u win, nobody care
fr. Lose 1000+ win 500 maybe 250. and it feels random too.
I use to be annoyed by this a lot, but I started to considered player above my rank as my equal; as they represent the rank I am aiming to. Implementing a Tekken 7 rank point system in this game would sadly increment the inflation in the system.
The rank system definitely sucks. I'm at purple lv.3 and everytime I'm close to blue, someone unplug or a high rank beat me, and I lose so many points. And I need to win 3 matches or to catch back up from 1 lost.🤦🏾♂️ My fight data for rank is 52% win rate. I only use Leroy... ✊🏾🙌🏾🧘🏾♂️🔥🦸🏾♂️💜
U only use one of the best characters in the game rn? U lose the same amount of points in purple as u gain. If u truly belong in fujin ull get there.
Keep up the grind and you'll definitely get that blue rank!
I rematch everyone so that when I do get passed battle ruler cause iv been stuck here for a bit I will have realy earned it
Your experience and your Tekken will both benefit from this mindset!✌️
Cause why tf mark phillips from rdc world in blues
Good coaches and he plays alot
@@AhopeGG nah ranked is just inflated. The man can do combos that’s it. He can’t utilize movement or punish. He mashes on minus and doesn’t nearly use his character to her fullest.
@@AhopeGG the game doesn’t take nearly as much skill as 7. It’s no longer playing advantage and defending against mixups. It’s just guessing and trying not to die. That isn’t fun
@@Like100Strong he plays ling
@@AhopeGG I do as well and he is no where NEAR as good as me
If you accept the rematch, you should be forced to finished the set. If you dont want to finish the set, don't rematch at all.
That's a nice way of seeing it, locking the best of 3 on the rematch onwards. Very interesting point of view. I have done a full video on the best of three system on T8, you should check it out!
All of you ppl comparing T7 ranks with T8 have totally skewed perspectives because you're comparing a new game with late stage T7.
TMM made a few statistical breakdowns throughout T7's full timeline. I looked at his video from 3 months into the game. We're now almost 4 months into T8.
Green ranks were actually the top 17%. Blue ranks are right now pretty much equivalent to green ranks back then.
But if I remember correctly they adjusted the system with S2, which increased the inflation significantly.
I was a T7 S1 Green rank player, eventually reaching yellow, but that was towards the end of S1. The green ranks would usually be decent at identifying and countering highs and lows from strings, as well as frame gaps in your strings. I definately noticed this as Hwoarang.
They would also blind break throws effectively. I found normal grabs to be useless, and even with other grabs, many would start to catch on if you kept abusing them. They would always do proper combos, maybe not the ideal ones and wall conversions were hit or miss. Punishing was ok. They would usually know launch punishable stuffs, but other punishing was inconsistent. Sidestepping was inconsistent. With some characters you could reach the top green rank without necessarily having all of these tools up to par, but for standard characters like any Mishima or Lee, it was a requirement.
In T8 they did shift up and squeeze together the ranks, changing the lowest true rank from I think 1st dan to Cavalry. They also decreased the amount of ranks per color. But in my experience, each rank feels larger. That is probably the only thing I like more about T8's system. In T7 I would jojo between ranks, often dropping 2 ranks. In T8 I have never dropped two ranks.
It's clear that they're approaching T8 ranked very shortsighted. The prowess change just confirmed this. They care more about the non veteran players getting positive feedback from the game, than they care about the integrity of the ranking system. Rather than being stuck in light blue and green, they have now spread us out from yellow to blue. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they can stop the inflation, which I'm sceptical that they will, but if you look beyond blue you see that there's only 5 ranks left. The veterans are supposed to share all of those ranks. That's insane. And this game isn't even half a year old. It will look much worse a year after release.
I think it will be necessary for them to create a separate league to isolate everybody who have reached the top rank.
That's a very detailed answer, Thank you!
I remember the days of the green ranks in S1 I was one of them, arguably that was a "proper" ranking system but I would say way too harsh for the majority of players. In a game like Tekken there will always be characters that ease your way climbing up the ladder.
Looking at the percentage I'd say that the top ranks are actually the one working, as at the end they include the 4% of the player and they half on any rank up.
I'd focus more into give meanings into rulers and red ranks, maybe making them gaining and losing the same amount of point, this should help to spread the share of people a bit more!
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The biggest problem in tekken 8 is heat without a doubt theres way too much benefit from using it very little if any downside. Once the players that spammed their way to the ruler ranks they get checked by someone who labs then never play ranked again
I am expecting heat to get tune down in June, with the buff on the defensive options that they announced. Mostly hope for not homing and shorter range heat burst and not homing heat smashes!!!
@@TheGianGame personally that will help with the actual skill factor
They should reset ranks and have qualifying every season like in other games
See if ur still good or if ur rusty gives other a chance to rank up and play the higher rank next season as well .and possibly help balance idk
This reminds me of the rocket league approach, I don't know how well the system would adapt. But definitely something to think about 🤔
To get to tekken king was a nightmare, had to go on a bunch of winstreaks back to back just to lose to a dragunov THAT BARELY KNEW THE GAME. Really infuriating. Half of your health gone just from blocking, plus plus plus plus plus frames, to 50/50 to panick move armor. The aggression and heat system is very annoying.
I have faith in the defence buff!!! for now....
Tekken system is so dumb. U get more points 4 beating a lesser rank. WTF
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NEVER!!
We ma sei italiano
Indeed I am😂, it is more clear on my rages on stream
No cherry picker runners the matches are short enough it's only 2 games this isn't tekken force CHICKEN 🐔 there's enough gimmicks and special moves plus silly hopkicks and nutty throws for 2 matches of cheapness if they want 1 win noobs or even good players who can tell your starting to play well then they Run CHEAP! fake rankers 😂