Badly Installed Worcester Bosch 8000 Combi Boiler With Magic Box

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @stevelambert6689
    @stevelambert6689 2 года назад +9

    Alan fitting two pumps to the "magic box" makes it more economical to operate. Central heating water spends less time in the radiator, so heat is not wasted heating the room. Also supplied with free ear defender's for each installation. 😀😁😂

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +3

      lol...

    • @davidlax9454
      @davidlax9454 2 года назад +2

      Nope it just makes the pumps cavitate impossible to sync the pumps.definitely not more economic or efficient !!

    • @davidlax9454
      @davidlax9454 2 года назад +1

      I love this video been chuckling for hours lol

    • @stevelambert6689
      @stevelambert6689 2 года назад +3

      @@davidlax9454 It was a joke hence the emoji's

    • @robthesamplist
      @robthesamplist 2 года назад +1

      Basically a way to con more money from the gullible on the grounds of saving money in the long run.

  • @Rob1Rich
    @Rob1Rich 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for that. That was an absolute butchering of an installation. You can see the boiler breathed a sigh of relief when you'd freed it from that mess!

  • @sstorholm
    @sstorholm 2 года назад +4

    We use a similar idea in data centers for cooling, where the heat pumps are connected to a big tank right next to them, and primarily cool that tank. The row chillers then pump out of that tank and back. The idea is to create more mass so that the big heat pumps can run for a couple of minutes instead of switching on and off every 30 seconds, and the tank basically keeps the flow and return from mixing by just being tall, creating a temperature gradient. It works quite well, especially when starting out a new site, and you might be using 3 percent of installed capacity because the heat pumps are sized for 100 percent, and need to cope with cooling the generators as well if they kick on. But these are 2 meter tall tanks, with a temperature gradient of maybe 10-20 C, not quite sure it’ll work in that 30 cm high box.

  • @heatpump8566
    @heatpump8566 2 года назад +6

    Looking forward to seeing the box cut up. Great vid Allen, well done both 👍

  • @jasonrobertblake1368
    @jasonrobertblake1368 2 года назад +7

    Magic Box was an idea to run radiators at a lower temperature (>60 degrees) by increasing the flow rate of the main heating system with a large pump (hence the light commercial Magna pump) , so minimising the delta T across each radiator, the idea was also to keep the boiler in condensing mode for longer to save energy. But in todays World of variable temperature radiators that you can easily achieve with an Open Therm, controller or with weather compensation, the Magic Box is pretty much obsolete. The box is nothing more than just a small buffer tank. We used to use something similar to decouple a high flow heat pump from a slow flow rate domestic radiator system using a 50 litre box (heat pumps need s delta T of around 5 degrees). The thing probably uses more electricity in pump losses than it saves in gas bills. Shockingly bad install as well!!

  • @xxx2spookyxxx479
    @xxx2spookyxxx479 2 года назад +7

    The Magic Heating Box is a square pressure vessel made of high grade steel and 28mm insulation. The box has a 17 litre water capacity. It acts as a natural heat exchanger by mixing hot flows to from the boiler with cooler radiator returns.

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад +1

      This comment is way beyond belief!
      Someone needs seriouslyto be taken to task over this product (magic box) and overall installation.

    • @davidlax9454
      @davidlax9454 2 года назад +1

      Yes but you missed one vital point its needs pump after the box.the pump in the boiler is nullified by the (magic box) low loss header neutralise or whatever you want to call it!!

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад +2

      @@davidlax9454 The whole install is a joke! The box I looked on line and found its part of a confidence trick!!
      It's that simple!! It's not a GENUINE attempt at an installation.

    • @davidlax9454
      @davidlax9454 2 года назад

      @@johnward5006 unless the box has coil on the other 2 ports then the scenario n mess makes sense

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад +1

      @@davidlax9454 Let's wait until Allen opens the box.

  • @penskib1975
    @penskib1975 2 года назад +2

    I'm not surprised they are happy, they can put a set of curtains up or blind without burning there hands, and they can go through the door without catching there head on that monstrosity. And they also have heating.
    Amazing.

  • @brendanfisher2528
    @brendanfisher2528 2 года назад +8

    It would have been easier to do I nice job first time round than doing that monstrosity... Great work Allan for sorting it.

    • @tommytanswell4187
      @tommytanswell4187 2 года назад +2

      Innit all that extra wiring. Pump straight into the nest. Pointless. Seeing as it's a 40kw combi in an average size property. Materials must of cost a 💣

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +3

      Thank You

  • @jpfrench1496
    @jpfrench1496 2 года назад +4

    Looks like a commercial fitter had a few spare bit left in his shed and did a domestic install on the fiddle. Those pumps fitted are pricey too! I’d agree with the low loss header view. But never ever seen or heard of a magic box for heating. Well done for correcting tho top job

  • @kevind7150
    @kevind7150 2 года назад +4

    I have never come across a Magic Box. But I would say you are most likely correct, with regards to it being a low loss header. It can't be an heat exchanger. There's no reason to separate the primary circuit. + you would need a fill loop, Gauge, and expansion vessel on the secondary side. Other thought was a humongous dirt separator. But its appears to be sealed unit, and there's a Omega fitted🤔

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I will cut it up and find out. Thanks, Also thank you for supporting candlelighters, I will have an update soon on the money raised.

  • @gunsey876
    @gunsey876 2 года назад +3

    Looked a treat hanging above the back door

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Would you have that in your house lol. Thanks.

    • @gunsey876
      @gunsey876 2 года назад +1

      @@AllenHart999 most people don’t want a boiler on show let alone all that lot, surprised the new Worcester still has the plastic manifold and same flow turbine set up

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      @@gunsey876 I was surprised as well. Maybe they do not have many issues?

  • @jameswood9252
    @jameswood9252 2 года назад +2

    Thanks Allen. Another really instructive video.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Hi James. Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave a comment.

  • @theengineeroilsafe279
    @theengineeroilsafe279 2 года назад +2

    That is a mental install 😂 no one really goes off like that surely lol absolutely criminal. Glad you sorted that mess Allen it was unbelievable.

  • @schandler
    @schandler 2 года назад +1

    What a mess, well done in cleaning it up and getting it to work.

  • @Brijoolz
    @Brijoolz 2 года назад +2

    I’m shaking my head!
    Well done for sorting out an absolute mess.
    Typical story of a customer willing to pay for an expensive boiler, which is good to know, but then being sold a pup of a job.
    Sorted now though.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      £8k for the magic box.

    • @Brijoolz
      @Brijoolz 2 года назад +1

      @@AllenHart999 a buffer vessel that wasn’t needed.
      Was going to say, at least Dick Turpin wore a mask, we all do now!!!
      Good man for sorting it out.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      @@Brijoolz Thank You

    • @cgcit5293
      @cgcit5293 2 года назад

      @@AllenHart999 you shitting me, the boilers goes for 2k. Day light robbery.

  • @johnboy1232
    @johnboy1232 2 года назад +2

    So Allan I googled magic box for gas heating and found XPRT magic box international. So it looks like it's just a coil heat exchanger that the blurb says iliminates friction in the radiator system It also says that the flow to it is set at 60 degrees so that the return will come back at 57 .5 degrees which is supposed to keep the boiler in condensate mode and so make the boiler more efficient .900 yes 900 quid well spent ,ha ha.I did find a second hand one for 475£ . Would have thought that would have made the maximum rad temp 60 degrees but they do also say it makes the whole radiator temperature more even ,not sure whether you get the two pumps as well for your 900 £ though Cheers.

    • @mihaiachim5299
      @mihaiachim5299 2 года назад +1

      the magna pump is close to 900 alone :))))) without the magic box and the alpha pump :))) + installation cost + pipes :)))))))

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      We will soon find out. Thanks.

  • @ryanlove2682
    @ryanlove2682 2 года назад +1

    Alan fitted a Vokera evolve 28 c today not bad bit kit ten year warranty 600 quid including flue

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      What controls did you use with it?

    • @ryanlove2682
      @ryanlove2682 2 года назад

      @@AllenHart999 I was going ask you what to fit ? The boy had a time clock and thermostat In hard wired am going back to wire it this week I’ve not wired external controls in yet as it only works on volt free connections am right in saying that ?

  • @johnmalone9853
    @johnmalone9853 2 месяца назад

    We just removed one today. Heating not working properly and a host of other problems. Took this thing out snd opened it up despite warning on magic box that opening it would invalidate warranty. What a joke its just a tank with several outlets/inlets. Stainless steel nicely welded but hearing reports of £10,000 to fit it should be 😮
    I'll make a little workshop stove or kiln out of it as its thick steel and F all use for anything else along with the British gas filter😅
    Grundig pump will be kept for reserve. Boiler works fine now.

  • @ChrisSmith-eq5fu
    @ChrisSmith-eq5fu 2 года назад +3

    I'm a commercial heating engineer and this low loss header setup is common in my field. You are right Allen it would have worked if it only had one circ pump on the rad side of the low loss.
    This setup is useful in large buildings where the pump in the boiler is not large enough to pump round all the rads.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Hi Chris, This system would of been around 8kw if that. Thanks.

  • @julianwebb8712
    @julianwebb8712 2 года назад +4

    Surely Jeremy Beadle is about to jump out any second and declare the install as an April fools joke !!

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      That’s Magic. lol... Paul Daniels

  • @seansneddon682
    @seansneddon682 2 года назад +3

    Great video Alan horrible install of an expensive boiler some people's work begars belief at times it really does. Glad it's now sorted for the customer 👍

  • @nickcannon5592
    @nickcannon5592 2 года назад +5

    The magic box was able to stop a brand new worcester bosch 8000 working. If that isn't magical I don't know what is

  • @toecutter6968
    @toecutter6968 2 года назад +1

    Wow what a mess that was, nice work sorting that out.

  • @jasonsimpson3348
    @jasonsimpson3348 2 года назад +1

    Another good video. Never seen a magic box be interesting to see in side.
    Must of cost a fortune for that install and how can someone walk away thinking there Happy with the job they've done let alone charge someone they should be ashamed .
    Good to know it's all sorted now.
    Keep the videos coming Allen

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Hi Jason. I will try and cut it up at the weekend if I get time. Thanks.

    • @steowens8243
      @steowens8243 2 года назад +1

      I've seen a few and its always in the 8-10k price range, seen one at 13k, normally elderly home owners, that get sold a dream, absolute con

  • @johndevlin980
    @johndevlin980 2 года назад +1

    Great video Allen, nice to see you back 👍

  • @rcheesy3925
    @rcheesy3925 2 года назад +1

    Great work and video as you always do 👏👏👏👍

  • @666johns
    @666johns 2 года назад +2

    Another great video Allen.
    Thank you for your effort.

  • @Ed-fp9rx
    @Ed-fp9rx 2 года назад +1

    whats the difference between a magic box and a air seperator?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Magic box is more like a low loss header. Thanks.

  • @mehmetaliciftci3495
    @mehmetaliciftci3495 2 года назад +1

    Hello, you are giving very good technical information. I wish you would add the explanation feature with Turkish subtitles, I don't know English. I write this translation to Google as an English translation and send it to you. We would be very happy if you add Turkish subtitles to your videos.

  • @SS-78-
    @SS-78- 7 месяцев назад

    Hi what’s the best filling link for the 8000, one with a key, keyless link or the intelligent system? Thanks

  • @stefanp6141
    @stefanp6141 2 года назад +1

    Looking forward to the next video where you will take the box apart

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I will cut it up as soon as possible. Thanks.

  • @edfish68
    @edfish68 2 года назад +1

    I’ve come across one on a Heat Only Boiler install. The Magic Box was connected to an external panel/collector on an external wall and was being used to preheat the primary water..if I remember correctly the elderly customer had been charged about £7000 for it to be installed!

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Did they say any money on the bills? Thanks.

    • @edfish68
      @edfish68 2 года назад +1

      @@AllenHart999 Yes they believed they did, but had it fitted just after moving into there home, so didn’t have anything to compare it to.

  • @andrewevans9514
    @andrewevans9514 2 года назад +1

    Crazy !! Thanks Alan top man

  • @davideyres955
    @davideyres955 2 года назад

    Wow. Glad to see them getting you on the tools there Alan. Can’t believe some installs we come across on RUclips. Those pumps probably pull way more electricity than they would be saving by using that magic box. Be good to calculate and prove that.

  • @hannahkaur8450
    @hannahkaur8450 2 года назад

    Hello can you tell me what type of boiler the ideal icos HE 15 boiler is? Is it a regular boiler or a system boiler? I know it is not a combi boiler thanks

  • @Chris-vc6bn
    @Chris-vc6bn 2 года назад +1

    Nice to see you back Alan, I want to see what’s n that box 📦

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      We need to cut it up, I will try and do it at the weekend if I get time. Thanks.

  • @gruhwch4876
    @gruhwch4876 2 года назад +3

    Magic Box was originally sold in Ireland as Oxyvent.
    The idea is that its high volume acts to slow the water down inside enabling air to be separated more effectively.
    Having separated the air the pumps are meant to work more effectively with no cavitation.
    The absence of the air bubbles also allows the water to carry more energy.
    That was the sales pitch. A solicitor near me paid £2500 to have one installed with a cheap tpi thermostat.
    A company in Essex selling heat pumps got involved with some super salesmen. Needless to say the installation quality was of a similar standard as this one.
    Of course it is a low loss header, buffer tank, call it what you will.
    All magic involves mugging you over to think something is what it is not. In that respect this box is aptly named.

  • @tphvac87
    @tphvac87 2 года назад

    Why do you guys put boilers in your kitchens in the UK, from the US just wondering? No space? You live in flats, yes? Let me know?

  • @zeeshannajib1787
    @zeeshannajib1787 2 года назад +1

    Brilliant work Allen 👌🏼

  • @EdthePlumber
    @EdthePlumber 2 года назад +1

    So many pumps!!

  • @zennor_man
    @zennor_man 2 года назад +1

    Proper job Allen...

  • @brotherjohnno
    @brotherjohnno 2 года назад +5

    I can't believe nobody has mentioned the JG Speedfit flow and return yet - Horrific!!!

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      Not the best installation that's for sure.

  • @tphvac87
    @tphvac87 2 года назад

    Why do you put boilers In kitchens in the UK from the states here? Seems kinda wonky to me, is it because you live in flats with no basement? Also what’s a magic box? What type of plastic pipe is that with those compression fittings, just weird? That Carries hot water too?

    • @1701_FyldeFlyer
      @1701_FyldeFlyer Год назад

      Yeah why do you folks in the US always install your microwaves directly above the cooker hob? Seems really weird to me!

  • @michaelbeswick9637
    @michaelbeswick9637 2 года назад

    Lovely

  • @christodd1445
    @christodd1445 2 года назад

    "You know what we will do ,we will fit £500 worth of pumps and a magic box .that'll do the trick .fuck it we've no yorkie bends try a lockshield for the blow off "
    Cowboys 🤠

  • @42RHD
    @42RHD Год назад

    That's a weird set up. Surely the boiler's too big for the house? Maybe the installer inherited the Magic Box set up and just stuck the boiler on it and ran?

  • @simonmander4314
    @simonmander4314 2 года назад +1

    Great vid as usual

  • @kornelk.9417
    @kornelk.9417 2 года назад +2

    My thinking was as well works like low loss, but I looked on there website and it says its actually Air Seperator.. I dunno how I never seen one in my life.. I will wait your next video when you open a box what is inside..

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      I cannot wait to cut it up now. Thanks.

  • @haggisuk9952
    @haggisuk9952 2 года назад +2

    Has to be a DIY job as not many Engineers would fit a shitty worcesester

  • @archangel6415
    @archangel6415 2 года назад +2

    Just an appalling install! Please report to the appropriate body so those responsible are held to account.

  • @brianbotterill5820
    @brianbotterill5820 2 года назад +2

    Whoever was responsible for that should be prosecuted!

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Standards are really low these days in my opinion. Thanks.

    • @ericmarshall8133
      @ericmarshall8133 Год назад

      More like a real hard kick up the back side

  • @pauls826
    @pauls826 2 года назад +1

    Rip the lot out and start again Jesus Christ rough as shit that… is that tech tight on the pipework that’s a diy job that deffo 😱

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Definitely not DIY unfortunately.

    • @pauls826
      @pauls826 2 года назад +1

      Radiator valve on blow off and two extra pumps cmon mate some idiots done that surely I’m not saying the diy but that box and all the pipe work there’s hardly any solder joints everything pushfit and compression

    • @pauls826
      @pauls826 2 года назад +1

      🤣🤣Worcester yeh right hand block probs leak and left hahah brilliant

  • @pierceferris
    @pierceferris 2 года назад

    Thanks…

  • @lukehodges4511
    @lukehodges4511 2 года назад +1

    It name of it is 'Little Magic Thermodynamic Box& central heating Management system, supply by 'Solar Lec' It got bad reviews with its own industry, hopefully, this useful

  • @brotherjohnno
    @brotherjohnno 2 года назад +1

    What was the heating requirement Allen? I assume the box is a 'heat bank' and the high head pump was fitted as the installer doubted the Worcester internal pump wasn't powerful enough to serve all areas?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I didn't do a heat loss but it was a small terraced house, Maybe 8kw

  • @superwhites5870
    @superwhites5870 2 года назад +5

    I’ve done some rough shit when doing installs for 150 quid on eco scheme but this takes the piss 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤡🤡🤡

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      £150 wow, i didn’t know they paid that much lol.

    • @superwhites5870
      @superwhites5870 2 года назад +2

      @@AllenHart999 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we was lucky I heard some lads were getting 80 a combi swop and to make it pay had to chuck 3 a day in all commissioned in van on way home

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +3

      @@superwhites5870 Crazy that they get away with it.

  • @marcbiff2192
    @marcbiff2192 Год назад +1

    What a bloody disgrace,there is no way a tradesman worth his salt did that.

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      @AllenHart999  10 месяцев назад +1

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  • @deanholloway7755
    @deanholloway7755 2 года назад +5

    What the **** kind of job was that and who paid for it? Was it a self install perchance?
    I cannot get my head around some of the absolute shit you find, and you seem like a nice guy 😁👌

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      Terrible installation. Thanks.

  • @aminsajawal3935
    @aminsajawal3935 2 года назад +1

    Great video. 👍🏻

  • @1701_FyldeFlyer
    @1701_FyldeFlyer Год назад

    What cowboy did that installation and more still, why havent they had their Gas Safety certificate revoked?!

  • @jimjames5709
    @jimjames5709 2 года назад +2

    Please tell me that wasn't a gas safe engineer that fitted that.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I am told it was installed on a government scheme.

  • @adriancross4
    @adriancross4 2 года назад +1

    i would hate to think how much money that customer has already spent, what was the incoming lpm on the mains to justify a behemoth of a boiler to be installed

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      They paid £8k for the magic box and the boiler was installed on a government scheme I believe. Thanks.

  • @richardhodgson7443
    @richardhodgson7443 2 года назад +1

    Magic video 👍

  • @mackieheating9195
    @mackieheating9195 2 года назад +1

    Is that Debbie McGee in the background?

  • @brandonbooth30
    @brandonbooth30 2 года назад +1

    Was talking to the merchants the other day and they said that over 80% of all boilers they sell are all worcester Bosch surprises me because all engineers that I talk too hate them I would say compared to vaillants or viessman there mid range what are you’re thoughts?

    • @brandonbooth30
      @brandonbooth30 2 года назад

      They *

    • @thebeardedwunderer1503
      @thebeardedwunderer1503 2 года назад

      W/Bosch and vaillant anyday! Never would I ever use viessman again! I spoke to a top bod at B/Gas and he couldn’t think of much worse than a viessman!

    • @garyhawkins9246
      @garyhawkins9246 2 года назад

      Just like cars, there aren’t really any bad Boilers anymore, just bad installs and bad installers

  • @davidlax9454
    @davidlax9454 2 года назад +1

    Does the box have a coil on 2 of the tappings?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Not sure yet but i will cut it up and find out. Thanks.

  • @brotherjohnno
    @brotherjohnno 2 года назад +1

    ...and that kitchen certainly doesn't need a radiator, it must be cooking with the heat loss from the pipe works!

  • @zpzhang1476
    @zpzhang1476 6 месяцев назад

    I just have my ideal logic Combi 30 boiler pump repaired by M.J.Harris staff, which I spent over £700 and must pay special extra £42 to staff first time 😢

  • @hussaingonoo8408
    @hussaingonoo8408 2 года назад +3

    I thought magic box’s where used in the unvented system
    Which uses a thermodynamic panel that expands and contract a liquid gas like f gas similarly to a fridge in reverse this then transfer the heart to the hot water cylinder
    I only know this cause it was on grand design
    I’ve never seen one or installed one and if a client ask me to install one I’ll have to tell him that there a beer shortage which I’m require to go 🤔😅

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I am going to look into it all a bit more. Thanks.

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад +1

      A thermodynamic magic box was marketed some years ago, utilising some sort of external heat recovery panel!!
      Basically ,the magic box and similar offerings were only meant to provide large profits with no customer gain!
      Trading standards should be made aware!
      No chance of ANY of these devices working!!

  • @majidalqaed8368
    @majidalqaed8368 2 года назад +1

    Hi can I work with you just I look for some one to training with him

  • @dennisphoenix1
    @dennisphoenix1 2 года назад +2

    Is the magic box a heat exchanger so you have a pressurised system on the boiler but an open vent on the radiators ?? Just a thought

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      We will cut it up and find out. Thanks.

  • @andyd8080
    @andyd8080 2 года назад +1

    Is this not a bit to much for this property lol ?

    • @andyd8080
      @andyd8080 2 года назад

      Are the flow turbine still plastic on these new Worcester?

  • @charlenepoole8576
    @charlenepoole8576 2 года назад +1

    Great Post x

  • @danielsteventon4190
    @danielsteventon4190 2 года назад +1

    Looks better now its been installed properly and that box looks.like a waste of time especially if you.have a 40kw blr

  • @kenn1936
    @kenn1936 5 месяцев назад

    what a mess they made of that!! 1,000 tines better now.

  • @davidlax9454
    @davidlax9454 2 года назад +1

    Any pump after magic box n you have heating ☺

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      The system didn’t work. It does now though.

  • @juelzcameron2448
    @juelzcameron2448 2 года назад +1

    Them extra two pumps puts a over a grand on top of the job alone. Crazy how people get away with this stuff.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      System works amazing without them as well.

  • @anthonynewcome128
    @anthonynewcome128 2 года назад +1

    was that an illegal install. or just an installer with no idea..

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      I believe it was an installer with no idea.

  • @johnward5006
    @johnward5006 2 года назад +2

    Just shows the appalling standards and ignorance within our industry.
    A lot of comments support this sad state of affairs!

  • @veronicahart450
    @veronicahart450 2 года назад +1

    good video

  • @andyd8080
    @andyd8080 2 года назад

    The magic box is designed to heat your return with a built in heat exchanger so boiler has less work to heat flow

  • @michaelgreenhalgh8825
    @michaelgreenhalgh8825 2 года назад +1

    great vidio

  • @paulhockett1545
    @paulhockett1545 2 года назад +1

    Cut the magic box open we need to see what’s inside

  • @paulkelly3254
    @paulkelly3254 2 года назад +1

    I can’t believe how bad that install was, extra pumps, magic box (big, expensive AAV😂). I wonder if they RTFM?😂

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      These Worcester Systems are now magic lol.

  • @rebehboudjerda9884
    @rebehboudjerda9884 2 года назад

    hi alen im algerian man and i love what u re doing i thank u a lot and if there is any possibilite to come to work whith u because now i jobless and i m very interested to be a plomber to hear from u thank again

  • @barryford7135
    @barryford7135 2 года назад +1

    No idea about boilers, but that installation looks a pigs ear?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Shocking installation TBH. Thanks.

  • @franciscoromano377
    @franciscoromano377 2 года назад +1

    A radiator valve under the boiler... AY CARAMBA!!

  • @glenndyer9967
    @glenndyer9967 2 года назад +1

    Is it not just an auto fill system?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I will cut it up and find out. Thanks.

  • @leeevans369
    @leeevans369 2 года назад +2

    there are no words 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

  • @steowens8243
    @steowens8243 2 года назад +1

    2 pumps on, it'll just burn through pumps every few years, rip off for what it is, I saw a quote once for a automatic oxygen ventilator or something along them lines an AAV basically 😆 and the price was 175quid per one

  • @ahmiccc
    @ahmiccc 2 года назад +1

    Only use of that is probably UFH really used as a buffer tank maybe to stop short cycling the boiler god knows what this guy was doing

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      We will cut it up and see what’s inside. Thanks.

  • @fluxhutch872
    @fluxhutch872 2 года назад +4

    Its a glorified low loss header that people pay over the odds for and totally not needed. Just like a 4 pipe buffer and to waste a grundfos magna on that system is unreal.

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад +2

      What a criminal installation.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +2

      Not needed in this property in my opinion. Thanks for the comment.

    • @glenndyer9967
      @glenndyer9967 2 года назад +1

      In large commercial premises this is a compliment to the design engineer helping reduce maintenance costs given that the air is automatically removed from the system, therefore maintaining optimum pressure. Makes dispensing inhibitor easy, pretty much like a header tank. Hope this helps ❤

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад

      I repeat, forget what it might appear to be, I'm sure it's an empty box designed to enhance the bank account of some 'criminal' minded 'entrepreneur '. I'm wrong, I'm wrong! To quote Michael Miles? open the box! (1960/70) take your pick game show, if memory serves.

    • @jackpassey4517
      @jackpassey4517 2 года назад

  • @glenndyer9967
    @glenndyer9967 2 года назад +1

    Generally used in large commercial premises.

  • @johnrobertson1829
    @johnrobertson1829 2 года назад +1

    Magic box? Is it basically a heat recovery unit? Never seen one. Interesting video. I was asking myself at the start of the video why on earth is there 2 pumps on that setup lol no real Alan.

  • @damienhoulihan7138
    @damienhoulihan7138 2 года назад +1

    Alan
    If you contact the inventor of the magic box
    He is still fitting them

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      Really? Do you have any contact details? Thanks.

    • @damienhoulihan7138
      @damienhoulihan7138 2 года назад +1

      @@AllenHart999 don’t have them at the minute
      I can get them
      I know him , I worked with him with the company I done my apprentship with before he invented this box
      If you forward your email I can send it

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      @@damienhoulihan7138 What do you think about the box?

  • @sstorholm
    @sstorholm 2 года назад +1

    Surely it has to be a scam, what sane person names their product “Magic Box” but a scam artist? Did the same people do the box and the boiler?

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +1

      I will cut it up and see what's inside.

  • @connerlabs
    @connerlabs 2 года назад +1

    WTF, who would trust something called a "magic box". Also known as the Cremin Tank I believe.

  • @CairanMw3
    @CairanMw3 2 года назад

    The "Magic Box" seems to me like a plate heat exchanger contained within a box. This would be why you need a second pump on the outlet of the "Magic Box" to provide a flow of water on the other side of the plate heat exchanger to the rads. This is just my guess could be wrong. Don't have an explanation about the second pump though, possibly they tried to fix the no heating issue with another pump. Which is just bizzare.

    • @johnward5006
      @johnward5006 2 года назад

      Nothing in the box!, it's a con!.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад +3

      Let’s cut it up lol. Thanks.

  • @bazcambs451
    @bazcambs451 2 года назад +1

    More pumps and pipes needed.

  • @Liam_Hirst
    @Liam_Hirst 2 года назад +1

    The boiler doesn’t look that badly installed. Looks to me that someone’s come in and sold them a dream and they’ve butchered what was an ok job

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      The boiler had a rad valve on the blow off,

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  2 года назад

      Boiler was installed after the magic box.

    • @adriancross4
      @adriancross4 2 года назад

      @@AllenHart999 was the installers horse still in the garden, that was a rough install and unsurprisingly not the worst i have seen by a long mile