Alan fitting two pumps to the "magic box" makes it more economical to operate. Central heating water spends less time in the radiator, so heat is not wasted heating the room. Also supplied with free ear defender's for each installation. 😀😁😂
The Magic Heating Box is a square pressure vessel made of high grade steel and 28mm insulation. The box has a 17 litre water capacity. It acts as a natural heat exchanger by mixing hot flows to from the boiler with cooler radiator returns.
Yes but you missed one vital point its needs pump after the box.the pump in the boiler is nullified by the (magic box) low loss header neutralise or whatever you want to call it!!
@@davidlax9454 The whole install is a joke! The box I looked on line and found its part of a confidence trick!! It's that simple!! It's not a GENUINE attempt at an installation.
Thanks for that. That was an absolute butchering of an installation. You can see the boiler breathed a sigh of relief when you'd freed it from that mess!
We use a similar idea in data centers for cooling, where the heat pumps are connected to a big tank right next to them, and primarily cool that tank. The row chillers then pump out of that tank and back. The idea is to create more mass so that the big heat pumps can run for a couple of minutes instead of switching on and off every 30 seconds, and the tank basically keeps the flow and return from mixing by just being tall, creating a temperature gradient. It works quite well, especially when starting out a new site, and you might be using 3 percent of installed capacity because the heat pumps are sized for 100 percent, and need to cope with cooling the generators as well if they kick on. But these are 2 meter tall tanks, with a temperature gradient of maybe 10-20 C, not quite sure it’ll work in that 30 cm high box.
@@AllenHart999 most people don’t want a boiler on show let alone all that lot, surprised the new Worcester still has the plastic manifold and same flow turbine set up
Looks like a commercial fitter had a few spare bit left in his shed and did a domestic install on the fiddle. Those pumps fitted are pricey too! I’d agree with the low loss header view. But never ever seen or heard of a magic box for heating. Well done for correcting tho top job
I'm not surprised they are happy, they can put a set of curtains up or blind without burning there hands, and they can go through the door without catching there head on that monstrosity. And they also have heating. Amazing.
Magic Box was an idea to run radiators at a lower temperature (>60 degrees) by increasing the flow rate of the main heating system with a large pump (hence the light commercial Magna pump) , so minimising the delta T across each radiator, the idea was also to keep the boiler in condensing mode for longer to save energy. But in todays World of variable temperature radiators that you can easily achieve with an Open Therm, controller or with weather compensation, the Magic Box is pretty much obsolete. The box is nothing more than just a small buffer tank. We used to use something similar to decouple a high flow heat pump from a slow flow rate domestic radiator system using a 50 litre box (heat pumps need s delta T of around 5 degrees). The thing probably uses more electricity in pump losses than it saves in gas bills. Shockingly bad install as well!!
Innit all that extra wiring. Pump straight into the nest. Pointless. Seeing as it's a 40kw combi in an average size property. Materials must of cost a 💣
I have never come across a Magic Box. But I would say you are most likely correct, with regards to it being a low loss header. It can't be an heat exchanger. There's no reason to separate the primary circuit. + you would need a fill loop, Gauge, and expansion vessel on the secondary side. Other thought was a humongous dirt separator. But its appears to be sealed unit, and there's a Omega fitted🤔
So Allan I googled magic box for gas heating and found XPRT magic box international. So it looks like it's just a coil heat exchanger that the blurb says iliminates friction in the radiator system It also says that the flow to it is set at 60 degrees so that the return will come back at 57 .5 degrees which is supposed to keep the boiler in condensate mode and so make the boiler more efficient .900 yes 900 quid well spent ,ha ha.I did find a second hand one for 475£ . Would have thought that would have made the maximum rad temp 60 degrees but they do also say it makes the whole radiator temperature more even ,not sure whether you get the two pumps as well for your 900 £ though Cheers.
I’m shaking my head! Well done for sorting out an absolute mess. Typical story of a customer willing to pay for an expensive boiler, which is good to know, but then being sold a pup of a job. Sorted now though.
I’ve come across one on a Heat Only Boiler install. The Magic Box was connected to an external panel/collector on an external wall and was being used to preheat the primary water..if I remember correctly the elderly customer had been charged about £7000 for it to be installed!
We just removed one today. Heating not working properly and a host of other problems. Took this thing out snd opened it up despite warning on magic box that opening it would invalidate warranty. What a joke its just a tank with several outlets/inlets. Stainless steel nicely welded but hearing reports of £10,000 to fit it should be 😮 I'll make a little workshop stove or kiln out of it as its thick steel and F all use for anything else along with the British gas filter😅 Grundig pump will be kept for reserve. Boiler works fine now.
I'm a commercial heating engineer and this low loss header setup is common in my field. You are right Allen it would have worked if it only had one circ pump on the rad side of the low loss. This setup is useful in large buildings where the pump in the boiler is not large enough to pump round all the rads.
Another good video. Never seen a magic box be interesting to see in side. Must of cost a fortune for that install and how can someone walk away thinking there Happy with the job they've done let alone charge someone they should be ashamed . Good to know it's all sorted now. Keep the videos coming Allen
@@AllenHart999 I was going ask you what to fit ? The boy had a time clock and thermostat In hard wired am going back to wire it this week I’ve not wired external controls in yet as it only works on volt free connections am right in saying that ?
Magic Box was originally sold in Ireland as Oxyvent. The idea is that its high volume acts to slow the water down inside enabling air to be separated more effectively. Having separated the air the pumps are meant to work more effectively with no cavitation. The absence of the air bubbles also allows the water to carry more energy. That was the sales pitch. A solicitor near me paid £2500 to have one installed with a cheap tpi thermostat. A company in Essex selling heat pumps got involved with some super salesmen. Needless to say the installation quality was of a similar standard as this one. Of course it is a low loss header, buffer tank, call it what you will. All magic involves mugging you over to think something is what it is not. In that respect this box is aptly named.
Wow. Glad to see them getting you on the tools there Alan. Can’t believe some installs we come across on RUclips. Those pumps probably pull way more electricity than they would be saving by using that magic box. Be good to calculate and prove that.
Great video Alan horrible install of an expensive boiler some people's work begars belief at times it really does. Glad it's now sorted for the customer 👍
My thinking was as well works like low loss, but I looked on there website and it says its actually Air Seperator.. I dunno how I never seen one in my life.. I will wait your next video when you open a box what is inside..
Hello can you tell me what type of boiler the ideal icos HE 15 boiler is? Is it a regular boiler or a system boiler? I know it is not a combi boiler thanks
It name of it is 'Little Magic Thermodynamic Box& central heating Management system, supply by 'Solar Lec' It got bad reviews with its own industry, hopefully, this useful
Was talking to the merchants the other day and they said that over 80% of all boilers they sell are all worcester Bosch surprises me because all engineers that I talk too hate them I would say compared to vaillants or viessman there mid range what are you’re thoughts?
Hello, you are giving very good technical information. I wish you would add the explanation feature with Turkish subtitles, I don't know English. I write this translation to Google as an English translation and send it to you. We would be very happy if you add Turkish subtitles to your videos.
Why do you put boilers In kitchens in the UK from the states here? Seems kinda wonky to me, is it because you live in flats with no basement? Also what’s a magic box? What type of plastic pipe is that with those compression fittings, just weird? That Carries hot water too?
i would hate to think how much money that customer has already spent, what was the incoming lpm on the mains to justify a behemoth of a boiler to be installed
@@AllenHart999 don’t have them at the minute I can get them I know him , I worked with him with the company I done my apprentship with before he invented this box If you forward your email I can send it
The "Magic Box" seems to me like a plate heat exchanger contained within a box. This would be why you need a second pump on the outlet of the "Magic Box" to provide a flow of water on the other side of the plate heat exchanger to the rads. This is just my guess could be wrong. Don't have an explanation about the second pump though, possibly they tried to fix the no heating issue with another pump. Which is just bizzare.
What was the heating requirement Allen? I assume the box is a 'heat bank' and the high head pump was fitted as the installer doubted the Worcester internal pump wasn't powerful enough to serve all areas?
it is an very old bosch design with a face lift :)))) But the heat exchanger design is vert old :)))) . it is very expensive to retool a factory :))) ....
I thought magic box’s where used in the unvented system Which uses a thermodynamic panel that expands and contract a liquid gas like f gas similarly to a fridge in reverse this then transfer the heart to the hot water cylinder I only know this cause it was on grand design I’ve never seen one or installed one and if a client ask me to install one I’ll have to tell him that there a beer shortage which I’m require to go 🤔😅
A thermodynamic magic box was marketed some years ago, utilising some sort of external heat recovery panel!! Basically ,the magic box and similar offerings were only meant to provide large profits with no customer gain! Trading standards should be made aware! No chance of ANY of these devices working!!
That's a weird set up. Surely the boiler's too big for the house? Maybe the installer inherited the Magic Box set up and just stuck the boiler on it and ran?
@@AllenHart999 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we was lucky I heard some lads were getting 80 a combi swop and to make it pay had to chuck 3 a day in all commissioned in van on way home
"You know what we will do ,we will fit £500 worth of pumps and a magic box .that'll do the trick .fuck it we've no yorkie bends try a lockshield for the blow off " Cowboys 🤠
hi alen im algerian man and i love what u re doing i thank u a lot and if there is any possibilite to come to work whith u because now i jobless and i m very interested to be a plomber to hear from u thank again
@4:37 A very old boiled designe with a new pump inside and a new face :)))) but they keep the "good old parts" inside :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). Almost the same old boiler with some cosmetics on it :)))))))))
I just have my ideal logic Combi 30 boiler pump repaired by M.J.Harris staff, which I spent over £700 and must pay special extra £42 to staff first time 😢
Radiator valve on blow off and two extra pumps cmon mate some idiots done that surely I’m not saying the diy but that box and all the pipe work there’s hardly any solder joints everything pushfit and compression
Magic box? Is it basically a heat recovery unit? Never seen one. Interesting video. I was asking myself at the start of the video why on earth is there 2 pumps on that setup lol no real Alan.
What the **** kind of job was that and who paid for it? Was it a self install perchance? I cannot get my head around some of the absolute shit you find, and you seem like a nice guy 😁👌
2 pumps on, it'll just burn through pumps every few years, rip off for what it is, I saw a quote once for a automatic oxygen ventilator or something along them lines an AAV basically 😆 and the price was 175quid per one
Its a glorified low loss header that people pay over the odds for and totally not needed. Just like a 4 pipe buffer and to waste a grundfos magna on that system is unreal.
In large commercial premises this is a compliment to the design engineer helping reduce maintenance costs given that the air is automatically removed from the system, therefore maintaining optimum pressure. Makes dispensing inhibitor easy, pretty much like a header tank. Hope this helps ❤
I repeat, forget what it might appear to be, I'm sure it's an empty box designed to enhance the bank account of some 'criminal' minded 'entrepreneur '. I'm wrong, I'm wrong! To quote Michael Miles? open the box! (1960/70) take your pick game show, if memory serves.
it cant be if he has cut the secondary pump out the system wouldnt work at all, it is a mess off a install though. I presume they fitted the magic box(buffer tank) for the high output of the house, but that really is a shite looking job
Due to thesize of the boiler the engineer probably thought he was doing them a favor so the boiler didn't not cook its self asit was way over sized but was not clever enough to range rate the heating
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Alan fitting two pumps to the "magic box" makes it more economical to operate. Central heating water spends less time in the radiator, so heat is not wasted heating the room. Also supplied with free ear defender's for each installation. 😀😁😂
lol...
Nope it just makes the pumps cavitate impossible to sync the pumps.definitely not more economic or efficient !!
I love this video been chuckling for hours lol
@@davidlax9454 It was a joke hence the emoji's
Basically a way to con more money from the gullible on the grounds of saving money in the long run.
The Magic Heating Box is a square pressure vessel made of high grade steel and 28mm insulation. The box has a 17 litre water capacity. It acts as a natural heat exchanger by mixing hot flows to from the boiler with cooler radiator returns.
This comment is way beyond belief!
Someone needs seriouslyto be taken to task over this product (magic box) and overall installation.
Yes but you missed one vital point its needs pump after the box.the pump in the boiler is nullified by the (magic box) low loss header neutralise or whatever you want to call it!!
@@davidlax9454 The whole install is a joke! The box I looked on line and found its part of a confidence trick!!
It's that simple!! It's not a GENUINE attempt at an installation.
@@johnward5006 unless the box has coil on the other 2 ports then the scenario n mess makes sense
@@davidlax9454 Let's wait until Allen opens the box.
Thanks for that. That was an absolute butchering of an installation. You can see the boiler breathed a sigh of relief when you'd freed it from that mess!
We use a similar idea in data centers for cooling, where the heat pumps are connected to a big tank right next to them, and primarily cool that tank. The row chillers then pump out of that tank and back. The idea is to create more mass so that the big heat pumps can run for a couple of minutes instead of switching on and off every 30 seconds, and the tank basically keeps the flow and return from mixing by just being tall, creating a temperature gradient. It works quite well, especially when starting out a new site, and you might be using 3 percent of installed capacity because the heat pumps are sized for 100 percent, and need to cope with cooling the generators as well if they kick on. But these are 2 meter tall tanks, with a temperature gradient of maybe 10-20 C, not quite sure it’ll work in that 30 cm high box.
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Looked a treat hanging above the back door
Would you have that in your house lol. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 most people don’t want a boiler on show let alone all that lot, surprised the new Worcester still has the plastic manifold and same flow turbine set up
@@gunsey876 I was surprised as well. Maybe they do not have many issues?
Looking forward to seeing the box cut up. Great vid Allen, well done both 👍
Thank you Paul.
Looks like a commercial fitter had a few spare bit left in his shed and did a domestic install on the fiddle. Those pumps fitted are pricey too! I’d agree with the low loss header view. But never ever seen or heard of a magic box for heating. Well done for correcting tho top job
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I'm not surprised they are happy, they can put a set of curtains up or blind without burning there hands, and they can go through the door without catching there head on that monstrosity. And they also have heating.
Amazing.
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Magic Box was an idea to run radiators at a lower temperature (>60 degrees) by increasing the flow rate of the main heating system with a large pump (hence the light commercial Magna pump) , so minimising the delta T across each radiator, the idea was also to keep the boiler in condensing mode for longer to save energy. But in todays World of variable temperature radiators that you can easily achieve with an Open Therm, controller or with weather compensation, the Magic Box is pretty much obsolete. The box is nothing more than just a small buffer tank. We used to use something similar to decouple a high flow heat pump from a slow flow rate domestic radiator system using a 50 litre box (heat pumps need s delta T of around 5 degrees). The thing probably uses more electricity in pump losses than it saves in gas bills. Shockingly bad install as well!!
It would have been easier to do I nice job first time round than doing that monstrosity... Great work Allan for sorting it.
Innit all that extra wiring. Pump straight into the nest. Pointless. Seeing as it's a 40kw combi in an average size property. Materials must of cost a 💣
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I have never come across a Magic Box. But I would say you are most likely correct, with regards to it being a low loss header. It can't be an heat exchanger. There's no reason to separate the primary circuit. + you would need a fill loop, Gauge, and expansion vessel on the secondary side. Other thought was a humongous dirt separator. But its appears to be sealed unit, and there's a Omega fitted🤔
I will cut it up and find out. Thanks, Also thank you for supporting candlelighters, I will have an update soon on the money raised.
So Allan I googled magic box for gas heating and found XPRT magic box international. So it looks like it's just a coil heat exchanger that the blurb says iliminates friction in the radiator system It also says that the flow to it is set at 60 degrees so that the return will come back at 57 .5 degrees which is supposed to keep the boiler in condensate mode and so make the boiler more efficient .900 yes 900 quid well spent ,ha ha.I did find a second hand one for 475£ . Would have thought that would have made the maximum rad temp 60 degrees but they do also say it makes the whole radiator temperature more even ,not sure whether you get the two pumps as well for your 900 £ though Cheers.
the magna pump is close to 900 alone :))))) without the magic box and the alpha pump :))) + installation cost + pipes :)))))))
We will soon find out. Thanks.
That is a mental install 😂 no one really goes off like that surely lol absolutely criminal. Glad you sorted that mess Allen it was unbelievable.
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What a mess, well done in cleaning it up and getting it to work.
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I’m shaking my head!
Well done for sorting out an absolute mess.
Typical story of a customer willing to pay for an expensive boiler, which is good to know, but then being sold a pup of a job.
Sorted now though.
£8k for the magic box.
@@AllenHart999 a buffer vessel that wasn’t needed.
Was going to say, at least Dick Turpin wore a mask, we all do now!!!
Good man for sorting it out.
@@Brijoolz Thank You
@@AllenHart999 you shitting me, the boilers goes for 2k. Day light robbery.
Wow what a mess that was, nice work sorting that out.
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I’ve come across one on a Heat Only Boiler install. The Magic Box was connected to an external panel/collector on an external wall and was being used to preheat the primary water..if I remember correctly the elderly customer had been charged about £7000 for it to be installed!
Did they say any money on the bills? Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 Yes they believed they did, but had it fitted just after moving into there home, so didn’t have anything to compare it to.
Nice to see you back Alan, I want to see what’s n that box 📦
We need to cut it up, I will try and do it at the weekend if I get time. Thanks.
We just removed one today. Heating not working properly and a host of other problems. Took this thing out snd opened it up despite warning on magic box that opening it would invalidate warranty. What a joke its just a tank with several outlets/inlets. Stainless steel nicely welded but hearing reports of £10,000 to fit it should be 😮
I'll make a little workshop stove or kiln out of it as its thick steel and F all use for anything else along with the British gas filter😅
Grundig pump will be kept for reserve. Boiler works fine now.
Great video Allen, nice to see you back 👍
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I'm a commercial heating engineer and this low loss header setup is common in my field. You are right Allen it would have worked if it only had one circ pump on the rad side of the low loss.
This setup is useful in large buildings where the pump in the boiler is not large enough to pump round all the rads.
Hi Chris, This system would of been around 8kw if that. Thanks.
Another good video. Never seen a magic box be interesting to see in side.
Must of cost a fortune for that install and how can someone walk away thinking there Happy with the job they've done let alone charge someone they should be ashamed .
Good to know it's all sorted now.
Keep the videos coming Allen
Hi Jason. I will try and cut it up at the weekend if I get time. Thanks.
I've seen a few and its always in the 8-10k price range, seen one at 13k, normally elderly home owners, that get sold a dream, absolute con
Alan fitted a Vokera evolve 28 c today not bad bit kit ten year warranty 600 quid including flue
What controls did you use with it?
@@AllenHart999 I was going ask you what to fit ? The boy had a time clock and thermostat In hard wired am going back to wire it this week I’ve not wired external controls in yet as it only works on volt free connections am right in saying that ?
Thanks Allen. Another really instructive video.
Hi James. Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave a comment.
Magic Box was originally sold in Ireland as Oxyvent.
The idea is that its high volume acts to slow the water down inside enabling air to be separated more effectively.
Having separated the air the pumps are meant to work more effectively with no cavitation.
The absence of the air bubbles also allows the water to carry more energy.
That was the sales pitch. A solicitor near me paid £2500 to have one installed with a cheap tpi thermostat.
A company in Essex selling heat pumps got involved with some super salesmen. Needless to say the installation quality was of a similar standard as this one.
Of course it is a low loss header, buffer tank, call it what you will.
All magic involves mugging you over to think something is what it is not. In that respect this box is aptly named.
Thank you.
Looking forward to the next video where you will take the box apart
I will cut it up as soon as possible. Thanks.
Wow. Glad to see them getting you on the tools there Alan. Can’t believe some installs we come across on RUclips. Those pumps probably pull way more electricity than they would be saving by using that magic box. Be good to calculate and prove that.
Surely Jeremy Beadle is about to jump out any second and declare the install as an April fools joke !!
That’s Magic. lol... Paul Daniels
Great video Alan horrible install of an expensive boiler some people's work begars belief at times it really does. Glad it's now sorted for the customer 👍
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Hi what’s the best filling link for the 8000, one with a key, keyless link or the intelligent system? Thanks
whats the difference between a magic box and a air seperator?
Magic box is more like a low loss header. Thanks.
My thinking was as well works like low loss, but I looked on there website and it says its actually Air Seperator.. I dunno how I never seen one in my life.. I will wait your next video when you open a box what is inside..
I cannot wait to cut it up now. Thanks.
The magic box was able to stop a brand new worcester bosch 8000 working. If that isn't magical I don't know what is
Magic Box Power lol.
Proper job Allen...
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Is that Debbie McGee in the background?
Hello can you tell me what type of boiler the ideal icos HE 15 boiler is? Is it a regular boiler or a system boiler? I know it is not a combi boiler thanks
Great work and video as you always do 👏👏👏👍
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It name of it is 'Little Magic Thermodynamic Box& central heating Management system, supply by 'Solar Lec' It got bad reviews with its own industry, hopefully, this useful
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Does the box have a coil on 2 of the tappings?
Not sure yet but i will cut it up and find out. Thanks.
Any pump after magic box n you have heating ☺
The system didn’t work. It does now though.
Was talking to the merchants the other day and they said that over 80% of all boilers they sell are all worcester Bosch surprises me because all engineers that I talk too hate them I would say compared to vaillants or viessman there mid range what are you’re thoughts?
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W/Bosch and vaillant anyday! Never would I ever use viessman again! I spoke to a top bod at B/Gas and he couldn’t think of much worse than a viessman!
Just like cars, there aren’t really any bad Boilers anymore, just bad installs and bad installers
Hello, you are giving very good technical information. I wish you would add the explanation feature with Turkish subtitles, I don't know English. I write this translation to Google as an English translation and send it to you. We would be very happy if you add Turkish subtitles to your videos.
Brilliant work Allen 👌🏼
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Please tell me that wasn't a gas safe engineer that fitted that.
I am told it was installed on a government scheme.
Another great video Allen.
Thank you for your effort.
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Why do you put boilers In kitchens in the UK from the states here? Seems kinda wonky to me, is it because you live in flats with no basement? Also what’s a magic box? What type of plastic pipe is that with those compression fittings, just weird? That Carries hot water too?
Yeah why do you folks in the US always install your microwaves directly above the cooker hob? Seems really weird to me!
Is this not a bit to much for this property lol ?
Are the flow turbine still plastic on these new Worcester?
Crazy !! Thanks Alan top man
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...and that kitchen certainly doesn't need a radiator, it must be cooking with the heat loss from the pipe works!
lol
i would hate to think how much money that customer has already spent, what was the incoming lpm on the mains to justify a behemoth of a boiler to be installed
They paid £8k for the magic box and the boiler was installed on a government scheme I believe. Thanks.
Alan
If you contact the inventor of the magic box
He is still fitting them
Really? Do you have any contact details? Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 don’t have them at the minute
I can get them
I know him , I worked with him with the company I done my apprentship with before he invented this box
If you forward your email I can send it
@@damienhoulihan7138 What do you think about the box?
was that an illegal install. or just an installer with no idea..
I believe it was an installer with no idea.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the JG Speedfit flow and return yet - Horrific!!!
Not the best installation that's for sure.
Is the magic box a heat exchanger so you have a pressurised system on the boiler but an open vent on the radiators ?? Just a thought
We will cut it up and find out. Thanks.
Whoever was responsible for that should be prosecuted!
Standards are really low these days in my opinion. Thanks.
More like a real hard kick up the back side
The magic box is designed to heat your return with a built in heat exchanger so boiler has less work to heat flow
The "Magic Box" seems to me like a plate heat exchanger contained within a box. This would be why you need a second pump on the outlet of the "Magic Box" to provide a flow of water on the other side of the plate heat exchanger to the rads. This is just my guess could be wrong. Don't have an explanation about the second pump though, possibly they tried to fix the no heating issue with another pump. Which is just bizzare.
Nothing in the box!, it's a con!.
Let’s cut it up lol. Thanks.
Why do you guys put boilers in your kitchens in the UK, from the US just wondering? No space? You live in flats, yes? Let me know?
What was the heating requirement Allen? I assume the box is a 'heat bank' and the high head pump was fitted as the installer doubted the Worcester internal pump wasn't powerful enough to serve all areas?
I didn't do a heat loss but it was a small terraced house, Maybe 8kw
Is it not just an auto fill system?
I will cut it up and find out. Thanks.
Please do a review on the greenstar 4000.
I will try. Thanks.
it is an very old bosch design with a face lift :)))) But the heat exchanger design is vert old :)))) . it is very expensive to retool a factory :))) ....
@@mihaiachim5299 which would you advise if the choice was between greenstar 4000 and ecofit pure 830? Would welcome others to comment too.
@@easternise by just looking at the internat parts i will say that the greenstar is a better boiler in the long run :)
@@mihaiachim5299 thank you
Generally used in large commercial premises.
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Wouldn’t surprise me it was a BOXT install??
I met Mel from the Boxt at installer the other day.
We had a good job done by Boxt - when they first started up, I think. No problems...
@@richardking6066 Depends on the job really. I have seen good and bad jobs, For legal reasons, I am not going to video them.
Boxt what’s the problem please ?I have booked an install
I thought magic box’s where used in the unvented system
Which uses a thermodynamic panel that expands and contract a liquid gas like f gas similarly to a fridge in reverse this then transfer the heart to the hot water cylinder
I only know this cause it was on grand design
I’ve never seen one or installed one and if a client ask me to install one I’ll have to tell him that there a beer shortage which I’m require to go 🤔😅
I am going to look into it all a bit more. Thanks.
A thermodynamic magic box was marketed some years ago, utilising some sort of external heat recovery panel!!
Basically ,the magic box and similar offerings were only meant to provide large profits with no customer gain!
Trading standards should be made aware!
No chance of ANY of these devices working!!
That's a weird set up. Surely the boiler's too big for the house? Maybe the installer inherited the Magic Box set up and just stuck the boiler on it and ran?
What cowboy did that installation and more still, why havent they had their Gas Safety certificate revoked?!
Them extra two pumps puts a over a grand on top of the job alone. Crazy how people get away with this stuff.
System works amazing without them as well.
I’ve done some rough shit when doing installs for 150 quid on eco scheme but this takes the piss 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤡🤡🤡
£150 wow, i didn’t know they paid that much lol.
@@AllenHart999 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we was lucky I heard some lads were getting 80 a combi swop and to make it pay had to chuck 3 a day in all commissioned in van on way home
@@superwhites5870 Crazy that they get away with it.
Looks better now its been installed properly and that box looks.like a waste of time especially if you.have a 40kw blr
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Hi can I work with you just I look for some one to training with him
"You know what we will do ,we will fit £500 worth of pumps and a magic box .that'll do the trick .fuck it we've no yorkie bends try a lockshield for the blow off "
Cowboys 🤠
Great vid as usual
Appreciate it!
hi alen im algerian man and i love what u re doing i thank u a lot and if there is any possibilite to come to work whith u because now i jobless and i m very interested to be a plomber to hear from u thank again
@4:37 A very old boiled designe with a new pump inside and a new face :)))) but they keep the "good old parts" inside :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))). Almost the same old boiler with some cosmetics on it :)))))))))
Do you rate them?
@@AllenHart999 yes 😁
@@mihaiachim5299 Good to hear. Thanks.
So many pumps!!
Has to be a DIY job as not many Engineers would fit a shitty worcesester
Unfortunately not
I just have my ideal logic Combi 30 boiler pump repaired by M.J.Harris staff, which I spent over £700 and must pay special extra £42 to staff first time 😢
Rip the lot out and start again Jesus Christ rough as shit that… is that tech tight on the pipework that’s a diy job that deffo 😱
Definitely not DIY unfortunately.
Radiator valve on blow off and two extra pumps cmon mate some idiots done that surely I’m not saying the diy but that box and all the pipe work there’s hardly any solder joints everything pushfit and compression
🤣🤣Worcester yeh right hand block probs leak and left hahah brilliant
I can’t believe how bad that install was, extra pumps, magic box (big, expensive AAV😂). I wonder if they RTFM?😂
These Worcester Systems are now magic lol.
Magic box? Is it basically a heat recovery unit? Never seen one. Interesting video. I was asking myself at the start of the video why on earth is there 2 pumps on that setup lol no real Alan.
Magic Box lol. Thanks.
A radiator valve under the boiler... AY CARAMBA!!
Shocking.
Great video. 👍🏻
Thank You
More pumps and pipes needed.
I agree
what a mess they made of that!! 1,000 tines better now.
Just shows the appalling standards and ignorance within our industry.
A lot of comments support this sad state of affairs!
Which comments? Thanks
What the **** kind of job was that and who paid for it? Was it a self install perchance?
I cannot get my head around some of the absolute shit you find, and you seem like a nice guy 😁👌
Terrible installation. Thanks.
Your name is Allen Hart :)
there are no words 🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣
Shocking lol.
great vidio
Thank You
Magic video 👍
Thank You
Great Post x
Thank You
Stevie Wonder back on the tools again aye 😉 🥴
Only use of that is probably UFH really used as a buffer tank maybe to stop short cycling the boiler god knows what this guy was doing
We will cut it up and see what’s inside. Thanks.
Thanks…
2 pumps on, it'll just burn through pumps every few years, rip off for what it is, I saw a quote once for a automatic oxygen ventilator or something along them lines an AAV basically 😆 and the price was 175quid per one
Its a glorified low loss header that people pay over the odds for and totally not needed. Just like a 4 pipe buffer and to waste a grundfos magna on that system is unreal.
What a criminal installation.
Not needed in this property in my opinion. Thanks for the comment.
In large commercial premises this is a compliment to the design engineer helping reduce maintenance costs given that the air is automatically removed from the system, therefore maintaining optimum pressure. Makes dispensing inhibitor easy, pretty much like a header tank. Hope this helps ❤
I repeat, forget what it might appear to be, I'm sure it's an empty box designed to enhance the bank account of some 'criminal' minded 'entrepreneur '. I'm wrong, I'm wrong! To quote Michael Miles? open the box! (1960/70) take your pick game show, if memory serves.
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ALLEN HART!
Hi Mark. Thanks.
I'm guessing the "magic box" is a plate to plate heat exchanger, to save having to treat a old dirty heating system
I will cut it up and we can see what’s inside.
@@AllenHart999 it's a magic roundabout con, nothing inside!!
it cant be if he has cut the secondary pump out the system wouldnt work at all, it is a mess off a install though.
I presume they fitted the magic box(buffer tank) for the high output of the house, but that really is a shite looking job
did i mention how shite it looked wasnt sure
I can't believe the comments!
Not surprising people get so easily conned!
Magic Box being kind of Low Loss Header, there is no need install mean of LLH.
Due to thesize of the boiler the engineer probably thought he was doing them a favor so the boiler didn't not cook its self asit was way over sized but was not clever enough to range rate the heating
I am looking forward to cutting it up.
Magic box? 💩 in a 📦 more like!
Thank you for the comment.