Just rent, it's cheap, invest the capital and use the income to pay your lease. No fuss, no muss! Better to but property in places that favor the owner.
Better to buy in your own country, where you know the law is on your side, rent it out and use the money to rent in Thailand. Only invest in Thailand what you're prepared to walk away from.
You skip the most interesting part. The company ownership part. There are some tricky possibilities to own land & property! No matter if a foreigner can only own 49% of the company. There can be a thai person who owns the rest(51%) but you can set him under some contract, that you are the manager, or so and kick him if something happens... A lot of people doing these trick. I hoped you tell this in the video, because how this exactly works would be interesting.
The business type it sounds like you're referring to are partnerships or sole-proprietorships. If anything I would think the best company to form would be a Thai corporation. If Thai corporations are anything like the Western corp the company is a legal entity meaning you do not own it. It has managers or officers that manage it. As such even-though by law a Thai must have 51% interest in the company, as a corporation his level of power can be restricted to that of a non-controlling interest by contract. Is this what you mean? Also I presume if you were to have children in Thailand the children would be Thai citizens & at some point the 51% interest/ownership could be transferred to them.
SIMPLE SOLUTION: If you want to buy Thai property (which means 51% must be Thai owned) do this...chop up the 51% into multiple pieces (which means YOU will have the biggest piece and the more pieces, the less chance you get badly hurt if something unforeseen happens). Next, have EVERY person, you give a piece to, sign a LEGAL 50 YEAR NON-SELLING contract. That way, you don't get blind-sided by someone backing out!!!
People worried about having to lease the land and no ownership of it. We're all here on lease will expire probably long before that lease does😂 long as you own the building and its cash flowing is all you should be concerned about as a investor, and have well thought out exit plan when time comes to sell.
?????????????? In case of a Villa What happens to the structure, if the lease does not get renewed? What happens to the land if the business structure doesn't get renewed or dissolved.
Thanks for the great explanation of option 2 to buy set up Thai company. You could have done an entire video on that alone but seemed to do a great job with the clarity in just one video. Thanks!
Hello. Love your content. I wanted to ask if you know what happens after 90 years of leasing the villa? Do i lose it to the country? Also whats the difference of paid money between owning and leasing?
I don't quite understand. The land is on leasehold but the house can be freehold. What happened to the house when the land expired but the house has not?
Good question. The renewal is at the landowners discretion. Which is a risk. The safer option is to set up an Thai Limited Company and purchase the property under company name. Negates this risk and allows you to own outright.
and if i bought a condo in thailand and then i want to sell it, is there some regulations and taxes i have to be aware of?? like buy, aait and then sell at some profit or so
It’s similar to buying an apartment in Melbourne or anywhere else in Australia. You own the unit but not the land but the difference is that there is no limit or percentage factor as to how many people own units on that same block. Unlike Thailand which stipulates a 49% foreign ownership
You can buy through a company, but technically the law states that a company should not be used for this specific purpose, as far as I know though, like many laws, it has never been enforced, many do this. If selling, just sell the company as the property ownership is unchanged. There are some accounting costs associated, but you only can own 49% of a company, be careful who owns the other 51%. A lease is for 30 years, there is no requirement in Thai law whatsoever to renew the lease despite agent claims. Inheritable but only till it expires. If renewed it would be at current market value that would include improvements you have made. Some use a Usufruct which gives use of the land for your lifespan, good if young. Noninheritable. Condos are easy if within the 49%, Phuket I believe likes to put leases on these as well when there is no need for it. Occasionally a condo will include villas/houses, these come under the condo act so you can buy these freehold as part of 49%.
Before you buy a property in Thailand, you should talk to other porperty owners especially expats. Don't buy just because it looks cheap compared to Western or North Asian prices. Ask how many made money buying property and made money selling years later. Cost of ownership. Things like that. In secondary cities, it's easy to buy but takes ages to sell, because the supply of land is unlimited except at center centers. So if you buy expect to hold it a long long time.
It would have been useful if you had mentioned taxes on properties, I see lots about buying the property but not the add on costs like these or service charges which are, over the long term a significant drag
This is just scratching the surface. It's only talking about eligibility to buy a property and not even complete. And condos mean apartment building in gated communities. Apartment in standalone building doesn't apply as Condo. Buying landed property is just too complicated, of course there are ways to circumvent the law part, but you need a local partner whom you can trust with your life, whether a spouse or a business partner. Already the lease issue suggest it would be wiser to rent. Ultimately you don't really own the property, you are paying the full rent upfront. And from my own experiences, i would say don't rely on property consultants, go get advice from a good lawyer.
You can only register a 30 year lease at the Land Department. The fact that a lease contains option clauses to extend the lease for two further periods of 30 years is irrelevant. The maximum length of lease that can be registered is 30 years. You are NOT buying a 90 year lease! Using a Thai company to buy a house is fraught with problems. It is illegal to use Thai nominees to hold the 51%. Also, there is no such thing as 'freehold' in China. Land is owned by the state and people buy a maximum of 70 year leases.
Great video. Simple explanation, very concise. It seems to me that there would likely always be a market for the less-expensive lease-hold properties. Really, unless you cared about leaving it to your kids (depending on how old you are), you're not going to need it forever. You may have answered this in another video, and I haven't checked them out yet - but I'm curious about the laws regarding being able to rent it out, if you decide not to live in it, or rent it out while you go traveling, etc. Is this allowed? Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! You can rent your places out yes. Plenty of developers offer % share of rental fees for managment of units. There's also lots of independent management companies who will find renters for you if you don't want to do it yourself. Save you the headache.
@@livinginphuketthailand well, that comes with some hardship. You need a company phone that is picked up all the time by a Thai employee.. they started to checking it with random calls ..
It's more common than you think in Asia. In fact, here in Singapore where I am at, locals don't own any land. It's 99 years leasehold on public housing and some private condos, 999 or freehold for landed properties. But by law, everything in Singapore is owned by a government controlled company called Singapore Land
This is for beginners. Is it at all possible for more detailed information like actual property examples of the differences in the ownership costs of leasehold and freehold in one complex. What happens if the building gets too old or government and corporate infrastructure developments require the building to be demolished? Upon death where does ownership of freehold titles go if there are no Thai relatives? Government? Condo Corporate body? Looks like the comments coming through are providing relevant information.
Hey Mike. I know this video was made 4 months ago. Isn't there a change in the law now that allows foreigners to own up to 0.8 ha land and to develop a project or buy a project that's at least $1M USD?
if a buy a condominium or villa in Thailand can I apply for a permanent resident visa without the need of long stay in thailand instead of Thai elite visa?
Myself and my Thai wife both live and work in the UK, we have a good joint income, and wondered if we could get a mortgage in Thailand ? We would just like to buy somewhere as a base for when we are in Thailand, and for the future when we retire, although that 12 years away. I guess we would just like to make our money work for us, and give us something for the future.
Southeast Asians should be united in disallowing land ownership for foreigners. As much as possible there should be laws that expats and all non-citizens should only be living in condominiums only.
QUESTION FIRST FOR FOREIGN ITS ITS PROPRIETY 100% SAVE GUARANTEE TO GOVERMNET THAILAND NOT SURPRISE NOT PROBLEM 1000% PROPRIETY FOREIGNER SINGLE ALONE NOT WIFE ?
So, regarding the leasehold properties, after 90 years, the government will take back your property with all the improvements you put into it? That's not a good investment. Most people would want to pass on their real properties to their kids!
Those land laws protects the locals from foreign gentrification, case in point Hawaii. Seems land grab gentrifications are more prominent in countries that was colonialized.
How is a leasehold preferable for an investor? It just seems like the worst option unless you have no ambition of passing the wealth and you're near death. The extra cost associated with it is justified because you at least OWN the asset rather than having to give it back.
I don’t get why people buy in a foreign country. Buy in your home country which is much safer, rent it out then use the money generated to rent in Thailand.
Lots of people like to have the best of both worlds! Most of my clients were wealthy foreigners who wanted a second home in Thailand to enjoy with their families. For people living here for 5, 10, 20 years, buying makes much more sense.
completely agree!! smartest way to do it!! if you can never truly own the freehold of the land or get full citizenship rights then its just stupid to buy a freehold... Thailand and many other countries will always protect their own people first and I don't blame them AT ALL!! TOO many other countries allow foreign investors to buy too much of the land and the locals are totally out priced or unable to ever be able to own property In their own country!!
@@livinginphuketthailand Some of my rental properties in the UK I make 10% on and they increase in value in the region of 75-100% over 10 years. I’d be very surprised if a property in Thailand would double it’s value in 10 years, especially with the oversupply. Maybe I’m wrong though.
Foreigners can buy land in Thailand but it's difficult. This is because the government still does not have to give the land a high price like Japan, Spain, Singapore. Thai people can still buy it at a very affordable price.
@Алекс Админ he has a channel, I had recently watched a vid and then got a pep talk from his lil short. Chill ye bean my guy, we are all about to have a great day.
Never ever trust A lawyer anywhere. Consult multiple ones and only if you hear the same story then dig into the actual law and verify for yourself.
hmm
Just rent, it's cheap, invest the capital and use the income to pay your lease. No fuss, no muss! Better to but property in places that favor the owner.
Place is Way (way way) overbuilt .. "Save your money" & rent .. It's a Renters Market ..
Better to buy in your own country, where you know the law is on your side, rent it out and use the money to rent in Thailand. Only invest in Thailand what you're prepared to walk away from.
Walk away, why would you need to walk away, i have done very well investing in Thailand !!! Walk away, ahaahahahahahahaha
Loser mentality.
My home country prices are 10x which means I must go marriage with my bank next 30 years 😂 No thanks. Hire a lawyer in Thailand who knows the law 👍
@@mixalis6168because the government or anyone powerful enough could shaft you at any time.
@@PloyandJayinThailandthe law is that foreigners can not own land. End of.
You skip the most interesting part. The company ownership part. There are some tricky possibilities to own land & property! No matter if a foreigner can only own 49% of the company. There can be a thai person who owns the rest(51%) but you can set him under some contract, that you are the manager, or so and kick him if something happens... A lot of people doing these trick. I hoped you tell this in the video, because how this exactly works would be interesting.
Yes this in true!
The business type it sounds like you're referring to are partnerships or sole-proprietorships. If anything I would think the best company to form would be a Thai corporation. If Thai corporations are anything like the Western corp the company is a legal entity meaning you do not own it. It has managers or officers that manage it. As such even-though by law a Thai must have 51% interest in the company, as a corporation his level of power can be restricted to that of a non-controlling interest by contract. Is this what you mean?
Also I presume if you were to have children in Thailand the children would be Thai citizens & at some point the 51% interest/ownership could be transferred to them.
SIMPLE SOLUTION: If you want to buy Thai property (which means 51% must be Thai owned) do this...chop up the 51% into multiple pieces (which means YOU will have the biggest piece and the more pieces, the less chance you get badly hurt if something unforeseen happens). Next, have EVERY person, you give a piece to, sign a LEGAL 50 YEAR NON-SELLING contract. That way, you don't get blind-sided by someone backing out!!!
People worried about having to lease the land and no ownership of it. We're all here on lease will expire probably long before that lease does😂 long as you own the building and its cash flowing is all you should be concerned about as a investor, and have well thought out exit plan when time comes to sell.
Well said.
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In case of a Villa What happens to the structure, if the lease does not get renewed?
What happens to the land if the business structure doesn't get renewed or dissolved.
What happens to the freehold villa (the villa itself) if the leasehold agreement for the villa land ends? Do you have to forfeit the villa?
Thanks for the great explanation of option 2 to buy set up Thai company. You could have done an entire video on that alone but seemed to do a great job with the clarity in just one video. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful for you!
What happens when the foreigner leasehold expired? (like after 90 years total)
Do you need to sale property or is the property taken from you?
That's at the discretion of the land owner. There are ways to get around this however....
90 years is not warranty
My only question would, do you have to pay taxes on top of everything? If not, I would assume paying on the land would basically be like paying taxes.
Hello. Love your content. I wanted to ask if you know what happens after 90 years of leasing the villa? Do i lose it to the country? Also whats the difference of paid money between owning and leasing?
I don't quite understand. The land is on leasehold but the house can be freehold. What happened to the house when the land expired but the house has not?
Kiss it goodbye 👋
Same question everyone has but failed to address the obvious elephant.
hi, How much does the lawyer cost for the buying property? Thank you.
Depends on who you work with and exactly what you need them to do. Prices aren't too expensive in my experience.
If you buy a Villa freehold, what happens when the land under leasehold expires? Or, what if after 30 years the leasehold extension is refused?
Good question. The renewal is at the landowners discretion. Which is a risk. The safer option is to set up an Thai Limited Company and purchase the property under company name. Negates this risk and allows you to own outright.
and if i bought a condo in thailand and then i want to sell it, is there some regulations and taxes i have to be aware of?? like buy, aait and then sell at some profit or so
Married a gorgeous thai girl give her baby's then buy a house😊
It’s similar to buying an apartment in Melbourne or anywhere else in Australia. You own the unit but not the land but the difference is that there is no limit or percentage factor as to how many people own units on that same block. Unlike Thailand which stipulates a 49% foreign ownership
You can buy through a company, but technically the law states that a company should not be used for this specific purpose, as far as I know though, like many laws, it has never been enforced, many do this. If selling, just sell the company as the property ownership is unchanged. There are some accounting costs associated, but you only can own 49% of a company, be careful who owns the other 51%. A lease is for 30 years, there is no requirement in Thai law whatsoever to renew the lease despite agent claims. Inheritable but only till it expires. If renewed it would be at current market value that would include improvements you have made. Some use a Usufruct which gives use of the land for your lifespan, good if young. Noninheritable. Condos are easy if within the 49%, Phuket I believe likes to put leases on these as well when there is no need for it. Occasionally a condo will include villas/houses, these come under the condo act so you can buy these freehold as part of 49%.
Thanks for the info bud! 🙏🙏🙏
Good info thanks
What happens after 90 years? Can my great-grandchildren reapply for ownership?
Trust a yank to need infinite rights on property. Libertarian much!
Wondering the same thing?
Surely a Freehold property on leasehold land is like owning and orange with nothing inside of it, as its so dependent on the land ownership ?
What happens if you buy the property and the land owner wants to sell, or put the lease price up?
Before you buy a property in Thailand, you should talk to other porperty owners especially expats. Don't buy just because it looks cheap compared to Western or North Asian prices. Ask how many made money buying property and made money selling years later. Cost of ownership. Things like that. In secondary cities, it's easy to buy but takes ages to sell, because the supply of land is unlimited except at center centers. So if you buy expect to hold it a long long time.
It would have been useful if you had mentioned taxes on properties, I see lots about buying the property but not the add on costs like these or service charges which are, over the long term a significant drag
Sure, I think we can create a new video about this one. Lots of info on this to share.
@@livinginphuketthailand When I was searching in Malaysia they didnt seem to have many/any ground rental or service charge, is it common in Thailand?
With a Thai wife you have no problem.
This is just scratching the surface. It's only talking about eligibility to buy a property and not even complete. And condos mean apartment building in gated communities. Apartment in standalone building doesn't apply as Condo. Buying landed property is just too complicated, of course there are ways to circumvent the law part, but you need a local partner whom you can trust with your life, whether a spouse or a business partner. Already the lease issue suggest it would be wiser to rent. Ultimately you don't really own the property, you are paying the full rent upfront. And from my own experiences, i would say don't rely on property consultants, go get advice from a good lawyer.
Would love to hear more about company ownership. Your Co host is extremely beautiful Mike. 😊
Coming soon! I'll pass on the compliment 😉
You can only register a 30 year lease at the Land Department. The fact that a lease contains option clauses to extend the lease for two further periods of 30 years is irrelevant. The maximum length of lease that can be registered is 30 years. You are NOT buying a 90 year lease! Using a Thai company to buy a house is fraught with problems. It is illegal to use Thai nominees to hold the 51%. Also, there is no such thing as 'freehold' in China. Land is owned by the state and people buy a maximum of 70 year leases.
are there restrictions on renovation work with the leasehold ?
Why would you stay in Thailand?It makes no sense!
I want the condo and the beautiful realtor 😍
Leasehold is NEVER preferable.
Great video. Simple explanation, very concise. It seems to me that there would likely always be a market for the less-expensive lease-hold properties. Really, unless you cared about leaving it to your kids (depending on how old you are), you're not going to need it forever.
You may have answered this in another video, and I haven't checked them out yet - but I'm curious about the laws regarding being able to rent it out, if you decide not to live in it, or rent it out while you go traveling, etc. Is this allowed? Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! You can rent your places out yes. Plenty of developers offer % share of rental fees for managment of units. There's also lots of independent management companies who will find renters for you if you don't want to do it yourself. Save you the headache.
If you visit the land office, they’ll inform you that you can lease only for 30 years, not 90 or 60.
That's correct.
I don’t see what the point to buy a house if the land if I can’t own the land.
I agree. Setting up a Thai Limited Company is the best way around this.
@@livinginphuketthailand well, that comes with some hardship. You need a company phone that is picked up all the time by a Thai employee.. they started to checking it with random calls ..
It's more common than you think in Asia. In fact, here in Singapore where I am at, locals don't own any land. It's 99 years leasehold on public housing and some private condos, 999 or freehold for landed properties. But by law, everything in Singapore is owned by a government controlled company called Singapore Land
This is for beginners.
Is it at all possible for more detailed information like actual property examples of the differences in the ownership costs of leasehold and freehold in one complex.
What happens if the building gets too old or government and corporate infrastructure developments require the building to be demolished?
Upon death where does ownership of freehold titles go if there are no Thai relatives?
Government?
Condo Corporate body?
Looks like the comments coming through are providing relevant information.
Hey Mike. I know this video was made 4 months ago. Isn't there a change in the law now that allows foreigners to own up to 0.8 ha land and to develop a project or buy a project that's at least $1M USD?
Guys pretty good information sharing and i scribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Much appreciated your information. Keep up.
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if a buy a condominium or villa in Thailand can I apply for a permanent resident visa without the need of long stay in thailand instead of Thai elite visa?
Nope
If you don’t own the land, you don’t really own the property (freehold). Real freehold is where you own everything.
Myself and my Thai wife both live and work in the UK, we have a good joint income, and wondered if we could get a mortgage in Thailand ? We would just like to buy somewhere as a base for when we are in Thailand, and for the future when we retire, although that 12 years away. I guess we would just like to make our money work for us, and give us something for the future.
Southeast Asians should be united in disallowing land ownership for foreigners. As much as possible there should be laws that expats and all non-citizens should only be living in condominiums only.
So what about after 90 years? What if you want to give it over to your grandchildren? Do you have to pay for the land all over again?
Great thank you ❤
How does that make sense that you can own the freehold of the property forever but can only lease the land?
If you want to buy, do it
Support the people where you go. Renting is cool too. Don't let things scare you from living your dreams.
Why spend millions to buy or leasehold in Thailand? Rent so you can walk away from it.
Very informative vlog thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
QUESTION FIRST FOR FOREIGN ITS ITS PROPRIETY 100% SAVE GUARANTEE TO GOVERMNET THAILAND NOT SURPRISE NOT PROBLEM 1000% PROPRIETY FOREIGNER SINGLE ALONE NOT WIFE ?
So, regarding the leasehold properties, after 90 years, the government will take back your property with all the improvements you put into it? That's not a good investment. Most people would want to pass on their real properties to their kids!
Those land laws protects the locals from foreign gentrification, case in point Hawaii. Seems land grab gentrifications are more prominent in countries that was colonialized.
I love Thailand since the first trip to here.
Glad to hear it!
If you want to invest money in real estate you have to buy in finnland!In countrys like Thailand you only rent!
I'm looking to buy condo in Bangkok, do you know anyone I can contact? Thank you!
Yes i know one!
What will happen to your Villa if your Villa's land 90 years contract ended?
Why would you buy realestate in Thailand?It makes no sense at all!
Very informative thank you.
Glad it was useful!
You better buy some Bangkok expressway stocks and maybe Thaibev and Kasikorn stocks!
The voice of a seasoned investor...😅
Protect your investment
Good advice!
No you cant, just rent, why would you want to buy.
crap lady land its for thai what ever you do its this way
Is the place from 6:14 min from Phuket?
Thank you for this information!
Glad it was helpful!
This is a beautiful video
How is a leasehold preferable for an investor?
It just seems like the worst option unless you have no ambition of passing the wealth and you're near death.
The extra cost associated with it is justified because you at least OWN the asset rather than having to give it back.
Investing in realestate in Thailand is shitty!Just buy some stocks or etfs!Maybe an emergin market ex china etf!
Wonderful facts and info 🎉
I don’t get why people buy in a foreign country. Buy in your home country which is much safer, rent it out then use the money generated to rent in Thailand.
Lots of people like to have the best of both worlds! Most of my clients were wealthy foreigners who wanted a second home in Thailand to enjoy with their families. For people living here for 5, 10, 20 years, buying makes much more sense.
completely agree!! smartest way to do it!! if you can never truly own the freehold of the land or get full citizenship rights then its just stupid to buy a freehold... Thailand and many other countries will always protect their own people first and I don't blame them AT ALL!! TOO many other countries allow foreign investors to buy too much of the land and the locals are totally out priced or unable to ever be able to own property In their own country!!
@@livinginphuketthailand Some of my rental properties in the UK I make 10% on and they increase in value in the region of 75-100% over 10 years. I’d be very surprised if a property in Thailand would double it’s value in 10 years, especially with the oversupply. Maybe I’m wrong though.
@@livinginphuketthailand • Yes the wealthy foreigners (the 1%), what about the average retiree?.
Yup I agreed, exactly my thought too and also other Asians as well.
Not allowed to own land and that’s a good thing
where is ur accent from?
great material friend cheers
Very confusing
if you like hunt do that
30+30+30 is not legal
Foreigners can buy land in Thailand but it's difficult. This is because the government still does not have to give the land a high price like Japan, Spain, Singapore. Thai people can still buy it at a very affordable price.
Whats the obsession with land?Land isnt much worth anyway!
great information
Glad it was helpful!
Lease holds are better for single unit homes
Thanks for that bud. Great info.
Glad it was useful!
@@sasa4029 lol. Another Russian property expert. Go home mate.
@Алекс Админ he has a channel, I had recently watched a vid and then got a pep talk from his lil short. Chill ye bean my guy, we are all about to have a great day.
Great advice and explanation. I wondered whether you had done a video on a comparison between renting and buying?
Free vs leasehold, the big question is which one is more "save" and less risky for a foreigner to be screwed out of.
Just forget it at all!It dosent make sense in any way!