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Samuel Ketchum Grave & Story
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- This historical Odd Fellows cemetery holds the grave of an old west outlaw named Samuel Ketchum. But it also has many people from the city of Santa Fe, New Mexico. There are still families that visit this cemetery but there are many graves that have fallen in disrepair. Trash is everywhere and there is a counter business next door that is dumping their scraps in the cemetery. You can see these scraps in piles and throughout the cemetery. In many cases it looks like they are throwing pieces just to see how far they can get them. It's definitely sad to see and I feel the city of Santa Fe needs to come down hard on that business to clean up their trash.
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Very commendable for you to take a stand here, and I’m glad you didn’t hold back. And mentioned that despicable marble company’s name. Hopefully this episode helps get the word out more. Politicians don’t care unless the public gets outraged.
On Black Jack’s brother, I didn’t even know he had a partner brother. It was very interesting to see his grave and hear about the backstory of the gang.
Great production Rhetty!
You're right about the politicians not caring unless the public gets outraged. I think they are ignoring all of us from out of state and out of country. We really need their constituents to get involved and demand change. That would do it. I tried to step around mentioning that companies name last time but I feel they should be mentioned now since there has been no improvement. It really wouldn't be that difficult if we could just get the city to impose fines for the dumping. Thank you for watching Ron! No telling what other stories are in that cemetery that we don't know about. Some of those people write in another part of Santa Fe and when the city wanted to move them the Odd Fellows welcomed them into their cemetery. That in itself is city history.
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@@RhettyforHistory the fellows ordered that stone years ago as paver s and did not have the money to complete the project and piled it up them selves it is not the company next door according to the custodian s, new mexico has a different mentality on cemetery s, and as far as northern nm goes that one is not in terrible shape, I know most states have beautiful cemetery s, new mexico is a poor state and there is no culture of well maintained cemetery s in the area
I have been all over the state and filmed many cemeteries and I have to say that I disagree with you on the overall culture of not caring for cemeteries. That being said there are cemeteries in every state that are neglected. The only state that I think could be an exception to that statement is Hawaii as the laws for land ownership and cemeteries are different with a time period slotted on them. I have posted the article to the top of the comments here as well as a new story post. Something still needs to be done on this cemetery regardless of who is at fault. It's history of New Mexico and Santa Fe which I know is rich in this state. It's a beautiful state and I feel preserving the history of these little cemeteries is important.
Rhetty is completely wrong. One of the Odd Fellows wanted marble scraps and brought them from Captain Marble in wheelbarrow loads. Captain Marble is completely blameless! Rhetty should issue an apology for disparaging a fine long time Santa Fe company.
This is so sad and really angers me. My great grandparents are buried in an Odd Fellows cemetery that was incorporated into another cemetery and is well kept. I am not even sure if there are any more Odd Fellows in that town. Again you have educated people with history and civic duty. Graves of people, no matter what their history is, should be respected. Thank you again.
I agree with you 100%. They should all be respected. Many of the people in this cemetery were in another part of Santa Fe and when the city wanted to build they needed to move the graves. The Odd Fellows welcomed them in their cemetery. Now that the members are aging and dwindling its a sad situation for the cemetery. I'm hoping that a new round of emails to those individuals I have pinned in the comments will helps. Many of them are new in office. I will also be contacting others in office as well as various media outlets. The littering from that counter company needs to stop. Thank you you watching Leslie.
Rhett, I enjoyed the story about Old West outlaw, Samuel Ketchum and his brother, Black Jack. The story about this cemetery is simply "despicable" how a company like this marble and tile, could dump all of their trash in a cemetery, is beyond words. I appreciate your efforts is bringing this to our attention and to the attention of the state of New Mexico, it's really horrific that nothing has been done in the 2 years that you reported this. Take care 🐎
It is sad to see there is no progress. But based on not one single response despite multiple tries from not only me but viewers from all over the world I really didn't expect anything to be different. There are more viewers on the channel now and there are also new people in office. I'm hoping that more people will reach out to the emails I provided in the pinned comment. Thank you for watching and commenting Brenda!
The city of Santa Fe and its liberal mayor had no idea of the history of the burials at both the Odd Fellows and Fairview until recently.
The mayor was allowing homeless to live at the Odd Fellows.
I know there is a lot of history in Fairview because I covered a little of it. I also know people were moved into Odd Fellows from another location within the city. I can't remember where or when that took place. It's been awhile since I have looked at it. Is there some more history in that cemetery I should know about? Things like that should help the cause of saving this cemetery.
I personally do not think that should happen. Was that a problem at Fairview as well? I'm curious why the Odd Fellows are going along with this. Have you spoken to them?
Thanks for another great video Rhetty!!!!. It’s really sad that the cemetery ended up this way. I feel as if people just get careless when it comes to cemeteries that have that look of being abandoned with old markers broken down, and shows no signs of visitations. As with all of your videos I learn something all the time, and with being a Wild West history buff I’m always excited to what you’ll put out next . Again, thanks for what you do 😇
You're welcome and thank you for watching. Maybe we can all put a little pressure on the city by contacting them and asking them to do something about the marble company next door. It shouldn't be happening.
We need about 1,000 people to call & write the company.
Not only the company but those that are pinned in the top comment I made. We tried it two and half years ago but these are some different people in office. I'm going to send a round of emails to those people and more in the state that I did not list including the media. Thank you for watching Linda. Hopefully we can make a difference!
@@RhettyforHistory I can do that!
It’s a city code violation. Illegal dumping.
Thank you for your help on this Linda. I do think we can make a difference but it needs a lot of pressure from a lot of people.
@@RhettyforHistory I can’t believe the town doesn’t get them for illegal dumping.
Great video as always! Its a shame that graves get trashed like this. Makes me wonder if ours will end up the same way! The one photo you had of Mr Ketchum looked so much like one of Dr John Holliday they could be twins. Had to look it up to check it out. I have Holliday hanging on my wall along with others and it really amazed me. Appreciate you and your dedication!
You're welcome. I should have something on Holliday either at the end of this year or the beginning of the next. You're right about it being a shame that some cemeteries get treated this way. I'm hoping we can make a difference on this one. Many of us tried contacting people but it was too no avail. Now that there are different people in office I'm hoping we can try again. Thank you for watching.
I was contacted again by Mr Diaz and he says that between the Odd Fellows and the tile company they are going to clean it up..said a Mr Knowles will be making sure that it happens...YOU made a difference....Thank you!!!!!
I think we did. According to the news article it that came out it was not Captain Marble. I have also heard from the Grand Noble of that Odd Fellows lodge confirming the same thing. She said it was a past member of the odd fellows that requested to have the marble company bring the scraps over in a wheelbarrow. That past member was going to use them for a walkway but never really did. Why they are scattered randomly throughout the cemetery I don't know. But that is not what is important. What is important is that this poor little forgotten cemetery is now being cared for. The last trip I was there I saw two families visiting so I know I will be appreciated. My main goal with this was to just get the city to ensure something was done with this. Not expecting it to be prestine or restored but trash pick up is easy and cheap. Thank you got reaching out and keeping us updated on the status.
So sad. I wish I lived closer, I would be out there working on it. I would suggest the Epa but I'm betting you've gotten ahold of them already. Great episode as usual. Many thanks.
I have not contacted the EPA so that's an idea. There is a new list of people in office that I have pinned in the comments. I am going to be making another round of contacting those people and others. I would certainly clean this up if I lived closer as well but as soon as we do that the counter company will just dump more over the fence. That is what needs to stop. Thank you for watching and suggesting the EPA.
@@RhettyforHistory I know companies have to follow certain EPA guidelines or they'll be fined. Even farmers are not allowed to throw their debris in gullies on their own land anymore because of the EPA rules changing. Good luck!
I hope that will make a difference. I figure the more people and offices we contact the better. This really needs some help and the city really needs to enforce fines on that company next door if they continue the behavior.
This is so sad that people don’t respect other people’s loved ones.
Yes it is and I completely agree with you. I'm hoping we can all make a difference in this cemetery. Thank you for watching.
I am the Noble Grand of the Santa Fe Odd Fellows Lodge. Captain Marble did NOT dump marble or anything else on our land. One of our members wanted the marble, asked Captain Marble for it, and brought it over in wheel barrow loads. This is in no way Captain Marble's fault. Please immediately issue a retraction. It is not right to blame a fine Santa Fe company for something that is not their fault, without even checking with them.
As you are correct in not blaming Captain Marble without looking into it first, the blame lies directly on your Lodge!!! If you want Rhett to apologize for his mistake…you/your lodge should issue one to each of these families that you’ve left unattended to….!!!
Then have your member clean up the marble HE wanted
Good morning Rhett 🙋🏽👍🏽👌🏾. that's really sad 😢. Thank you for sharing this with US ❤️👍🏽.
Good morning Carole! Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory you're welcome 👍🏽
Hi Rhetty, that's really nice that you are trying to get this cemetery cleaned up. Hopefully your video will reach the right person or group who will be able to make that happen. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
I hope so. I've never had this much trouble trying to get something done. Now we add in a pandemic and it could make it even more of a challenge. I'm not sure. Thank you for watching Steve. I'm hoping all of us on the channel will pressure them into doing something.
This is unbelievable. I’ve seen some bad stuff but nothing this bad. Great video. I appreciate you shedding light on this.
It's the least I can do. Wish I was closer so more could happen. It's just too far away. Thank you for watching my friend.
The Odd Fellows have to make a plea to the city for help. You are correct, they are shrinking in membership, but they have liability. They sold those lots and sold them on the basis of “perpetual care.” They also have a duty to preform basic maintenance on the property. Now having said that, how sad for the families that are losing the graves of their people. Santa Fe should be ashamed that businesses are dumping in a public cemetery. Saying that I need to go visit out local cemetery, make sure the same thing is not happening here. Thanks for posting this video.
Thank you for watching and commenting. The Odd Fellows do need to reach out more to the city. So do the residents of Santa Fe and New Mexico. That could make a huge difference to the elected officials. The sad thing is the Odd Fellows probably accepted 100 to 150 people from another cemetery that was in Santa Fe because the city wanted to build on top of it. I don't think the Odd Fellows accepted any money on it. The biggest thing is to stop that business from dumping. The prairie dog prevention would be costly. No really any need to mow so they are fine on that. It would be great to get the homeless out of it.
Thank you for working so hard to try to get this cemetery cleaned up.
*God Bless you.*
If I was local I would clean it up but then we still need the city to enforce fines on that company if they do not comply with dumping laws. Thank you for watching Bonnie. We will see what happens when all of us are contacting them.
@@RhettyforHistory Yes .. they need to be held accountable. 😭
I agree.
I am from the UK and find history in your country interesting especially the outlaws .
Thank you for watching. From the UK and I'm glad you enjoy the history!
Thank you hope something will happen for those buried there, I appreciate you taking and putting this company out there hope they will clean up there trash
I hope they will as well. Hopefully with more of us on the channel reaching out to the city something will happen this time. Thank you for watching!
Many thanks for another history lesson and showing a cemetery!
You're welcome and thank you for watching Blackjack!
🥰👍‼️ I love the history I live in Albuquerque NM 💯
Right pronounced ‼️
I love old cemeteries 👍💯‼️
I love the Old West ‼️‼️‼️
My Great Uncle was a Odd Fellow in Delta and Olathe Colorado back in the 1800's‼️
There is a ton of history in New Mexico and I have a lot left to cover there. I'll have a few more stories from the state coming soon but I'm hoping to go back and do more this next year. Thank you for watching Josele!
Good of you showing that Rhetty, I am sure those responsible do not want that to happen to their grave or their families graves.
I sure wouldn't think they would. I'm hoping with enough of us contacting the right people we can get them to stop. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for sharing this video. Hopefully as a community will go volunteer to clean the Grave and especially the marble company. Thank you for showing this. The Road you mentioned is called Cerrillos Rd.
Thank you for helping out on the road name. I have posted a news article in the top pinned comment where the marble company did not dump anything. It would sure make a great news story to see the marble company and the odd fellows work together to improve the conditions at the cemetery. Just a little cleanup could go a long ways. Thank you for watching!
Heartbreaking and thank you for all the hard work you do. So Fing frustrating. Pray for our government to help
It is frustrating to see something like this happening. Hopefully with all of us putting pressure on the ones listed in the pinned comment we can make a difference.
Thanks for the video and your concern for this sacred ground.
It's the least we can do and hopefully we can all put pressure on the city to do something.
That’s a shame they aren’t cleaning the cemetery up. I’m glad you care so much, Rhetty. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Supposedly they are going to clean this up. We will see what happens. Thank you for watching and Happy New Year to you!
I have always loved American history and your videos are wonderful travel shows.
I watch you on Roku TV...very impressive on the large screen.
Thank you for your respectful comments and appreciations for our history.
You're welcome and I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the history and videos. Thank you for watching Paula!
Thank you for this update. Regarding the odd fellows organization they have done so much good in the past. A friend of mine who grew up as a child in the Great depression was taken in by the odd fellows orphanage in Pueblo Colorado. She lost her mother in childbirth and she and her siblings had to go to the orphanage. My friend Millie spent the rest of her childhood years in that orphanage and when she was old enough she was able to live on her own. Thank goodness there was a place like the odd fellows orphanage that she could go to when her father couldn't keep her.
You're right about them being an organization that did good for others. There are many in this cemetery that were buried in another cemetery in Santa Fe. When the city wanted to move the graves the Odd Fellows welcomed them in their cemetery. It's more history in this cemetery that needs to be saved and not trashed. Thank you for watching Zoe.
How sad that people show such disrespect. Shame on them. Thank you for speaking up about this shameful condition. This speaks volumes of sadness about the town's attitude towards the cemetery. Thank you for sharing. I hope that the company will start being more responsible.
I hope they will too. It's really going to take the citizens standing up and saying enough. They need to contact their elected officials in order to get something done. The city needs to enforce fines for that sort of dumping. It's the only way to get it to stop. In the meantime I'm hoping that a lot or us here on the channel will contact those listed in the pinned comment and Kickstart something to happen. Thank you for watching Sharon.
I totally understand your frustration my friend and admire your passion to see change. Keep on being you it’s one of the reasons I enjoy this channel.
Thank you for watching Janis! Since the channel has grown quite a bit I'm hoping more of us will put pressure on them and that will make the city do something to improve the conditions there. A cleanup up is good but they need to enforce fines and consequences on that company if they continue to litter in the cemetery. Thank you for watching
Missed your vids. Was too busy with work. Your beard is looking fabulous
Thank you for watching and I completely understand the work situation.
Good job Rhett. Glad you showing that disrespectful mess….maybe the town will do the right thing and clean up. Love hearing the stories of the Old West. You should check the Boot Hill Cemetery in Billings as I’m sure some good old stories there. Take care
In Billings, Montana? Definitely sounds like something I would be interested in. Thank you for watching Susan.
Loved the video Rhetty as always and a little bit of history thrown in sad the place not treated with the respect due Thankyou for sharing it x
It is sad to see that some history of the area is being treated this way. I'm hoping to make a difference with another round of emails to the people in the pinned comments. They are all new in office since the last visit and of course I will try news and radio stations etc. Thank you for watching Lindsay.
@@RhettyforHistory Your welcome and hope it goes well
Me too. It's going to take a lot of us. Hopefully more than last time.
A guy I know in Davao City had a friend die and went to his funeral and burial. Well he sent me pictures of the grave dug in the cemetery and it was appalling. All the way down and on all sides an bottom was nothing but trash as was the dirt from the hole. They were literally burying people in a landfill.
That's sad and should never happen. I've heard of horror stories like that before but never seen it quite that bad in person. Thank you for watching and sharing that story.
Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
Thank you Tommy.
Thanks Retty !! I sure love these old west stories. But sad to see the cemetery in a mess like that. Thanks for all the wonderful videos
It is sad. I'm hoping with a little more pressure this time to some of the new people in office something will get done. I have the contacts in the pinned comment section I you are interested. Thank you for watching Nancy.
UPDATE ON THE STONE MISINFORMATION. Several years back the stone remnants were donated by Captain Marble to Odd Fellows Cemetery for use at the cemetery as steppingstones. Unfortunately, the stones were never utilized. The owner of Captain Marble is actually organizing a clean-up. No one tried to speak with them before this posting this which is a shame. Captain Marble has been wrongly maligned and is owed a public apology by someone. Numerous people here rushed to judge without knowing the facts. Please see comments from Noble Grand of the Santa Fe Odd Fellows Lodge, Meg Meltz, below.
Also please see post on channel as well as top pinned comment. I do think it is noble of the business owner to organize a cleanup now that we know the facts. Thank you for the update on that.
I want you to know I contacted 2 people on your list after watching this video...a Mr Daniel Diaz contacted me back saying they will be going out to the cemetery and taking a look and investigating it, hopefully we've made a difference . Plz keep up the videos!
Thank you for contacting them and helping to get something done. I'm glad that you received a response too. That is more than we had last time so maybe these newer people in these positions will make a difference. I really don't see how anyone could walk in the cemetery and not see that there is an issue with what is happening. Thanks again for helping Kathy.
Beautiful sharing my dear friend
Thank you for watching.
Sam was also a member of the Minutemen div of the Texas Rangers a few months in Nov to Sept 1872 in San Saba TX .... Thanks for another great video ♡
You're welcome and thank you for watching. I appreciate the extra information on Sam as well. Very interesting!
** This is an update **
12/01/2021 - KRQE 13 out of Albuquerque, NM which is about 60 miles away, picked up the story. They spoke to Captain Marble who stated that they did not dump the marble in the cemetery it was donated to the cemetery because they wanted to build a path with it but never did and that was 10 years ago. They also spoke to a person with the Odd Fellows who confirmed the story told by Captain Marble. The news then asked them if they had plans on cleaning up the marble. The Odd Fellows representative stated not any time soon and that They do not have funds to maintain the cemetery. After 10 years it really is time to throw those pieces in the trash. There is really no cost involved with throwing those out and picking up the trash. It's interesting how the marble is scattered throughout the cemetery. I guess homeless, kids and just random strangers have decided to throw pieces all over the cemetery in the last 10 years. There appears to be bo rhyme or reason as to how they are placed in the cemetery. The next step will be to encourage the Odd Fellows to clean this cemetery up. I've been in many Odd Fellows cemeteries across many states over the years and I have never seen one in this condition. I still feel the city needs to step in and just ensure that something is being done to clean this cemetery up. No need to worry about the weeds and broken monuments. The issue is with all of the trash. The link to the news article is below.
www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/video-shines-light-on-neglected-historic-santa-fe-cemetery/
Please help make a difference in Santa Fe's Odd Fellows Cemetery. The main issue is the trash in the cemetery. The majority of it seems to be coming from the counter top/marble company that seems to be dumping scraps in the cemetery. Below is a list of email addresses to contact if you would like to help. Just explain the conditions in the cemetery and ask for something to be done. Please be cordial, nice and respectful in your request.
Historical Society of New Mexico
hsnminfo@gmail.com
Jared LaPan Hill
Santa Fe City Manager
jlapanhill@santafenm.gov
Carly Piccarello
Historic Preservation Division Manager
cpiccarello@santafenm.gov
Bobby Padilla
Inspections & Enforcement Division Manager
bpadilla@santafenm.gov
Marisa Sargent
Santa Fe Historic Preservation Office
mgsargent@santafenm.gov
Historic Santa Fe Foundation info@historicsantafe.org
Rob Marinez, State Historian:
rob.martinez@state.nm.us
Historic Preservation Division
nm.shpo@state.nm.us
Jeff Pappas, PhD
State Historic Preservation Officer
jeff.pappas@state.nm.us
Michelle Ensey
Deputy State Historic Preservation Officer and State Archeologist
michele.ensey@statr.nm.us
Alan Webber
Santa Fe, NM Mayor
mayor@santafenm.gov
HEY, RHETTY HOPE All Is going well... WOW, I really can't believe how many different Cemeteries are in Disrepair and need to be cleaned up But that's allover the country that so many places need to be cleaned up so very sad
That people use the graveyard as a trash dump If anyone get caught they should be fined or Mead to clean up the cemetery they are using for a trash dump OK take care stay safe God bless and will see you on the next video project
Thank you for watching and you're right about cemeteries all over the country needing help. This one just needs the trash out of it and specifically the marble etc. Even if a team of people do that the company will keep dumping until the city enforces fines. Hopefully with enough of us writing the people I have in the top pinned comment it can happen.
Another good video!
Thank you for watching Tracy!
😎 what a travesty in that unkempt cemetery ….nice video Rhett
It really is a shame. Thank you for watching!
Absolutely disgusting. So disrespectful not only by that company but also the local authorities.
I agree. We shouldn't have to contact anyone to get them to not do this. I'm going to try another round with the people in the pinned comment plus some others. There is too much history in this cemetery to have it as a dumping ground. Thank you for watching!
Hey Rhett, love these videos that you make for all of us. Hopefully you can make it to South Carolina oneday.
I've been out to that state but it's been more than 20 years. I definitely need to go back and film some. There is a lot of history out there. Thank you for watching Greg!
@@RhettyforHistory I'm totally dedicated your videos.
I know you are always watching and I really appreciate that!
Great story, but sad that people seem to be treating the cemetery as a garbage dump.
Yes it is. I'm hoping we can make a difference by contacting the people in the pinned comment. Thank you for watching Jared.
To Rhetty and the gang…Have a safe, and Happy Thanksgiving!!!
Thank you Phillip! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
Your voice sounds like you have been sick. Are you ok? Good video Rhetty. Sad to see nothing has been done.
I had been out in AZ for a Navy buddies funeral. I did q lot of talking and speaking during the memorial service and funeral as well as outside of it. At the same time AZ was having these dust storms and it seemed to start some allergies. I didn't feel bad but I know I was losing my voice. Everything is back to normal now. Thank you for watching Cheryl.
@@RhettyforHistory Awe Loosing friends are hard. Glad you are feeling better.
It was difficult but I'm glad I could be there. You may have noticed the voice sounding bad in the last couple videos and I have some more that will sound that way too.
I agree with you. It is so sad to see a company litter a cemetery and get away with it. No respect for anyone or anything any more. Maybe sooner or later some one will listen.
I sure hope so. I have pinned a list in the comments of new contacts for the area. I'm going to send another round of emails to those and more in hopes of it making a difference. If we could stop that company from littering in the cemetery it would be great! Thank you for watching Linda!
Thanks Rhett for another great interesting story. Stay safe out there.
Thank you for watching Monika!
Happy Thanksgiving my dear Pal for you and a Bless for your family.
Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well.
I remember when you visited this cemetery the first time. So sad that nothing has been done and that the countertop place still throws their trash in this cemetery. Hard to believe the city isn’t doing more in regards to fining the company.
Something needs to be done and the only thing I can think of is fines. I really can't see any valid reason for it being like this and it sure doesn't appear to be used in any way for the benefit of the cemetery. Thank you for watching Carol.
Maybe if they made it into a minor tourist attraction with Sam Ketchum's grave as a focal point, along with his story, maybe then people will start to take notice, of the cemetery's condition. Just an idea. After all a lot of infamous people who have a lesser impact on the area's history seem to have been immortalised in their local areas.
It's definitely going to take a bunch of people contacting the people I have pinned in the comments. The best thing would be for Santa Fe residents to do that but hopefully with the rest of us it can happen. These are new people in office so I am going to try another round of emails to them as well as others in the state and media. Thank you for watching!
No shortage of artist types in Santa Fe, NM. Maybe a few would be willing to pick up all the masonry bits just to have all the larger pieces as substrate for paintings or what not.
That's a great idea and you do have a good point about there being a ton of artists. That's a lot better than the company next door trying to see how far they can throw them.
The way folks are destroying history, especially around Santa Fe, that’s probably not a good idea. Look up the story about the “plaza obelisk”. Antifa and the likes destroyed it.
Rhetty--The Oddfellows asked for scraps to use for walkways in the cemetery, but evidently has not used them.
Did you speak with them? Clearly that has not happened at all in 2 & 1/2 years. No telling how long they have been sitting in this cemetery.
Thank you. it is definitely not Captain Marble's fault.
Happy thanksgiving Rhetty to you and your family!!
Thank you my friend and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well!
@@RhettyforHistory 😁👍
This is a very good video but also very sad that nobody cares enough to do anything about this neglected Cemetery that company I agree should be fined and made to clean it up I don't think they'd appreciate it if it was any of their family members in that old Cemetery thanks for caring and trying to get something done who knows keep up your great work stay safe and have a wonderful week with your family have a great Thanksgiving
It is sad to see and I think you are right about them not doing this if it were their family members. Since there are new people in office I have pinned their contact information in the top comment. Hopefully we can put some pressure on them. Thank you for watching and Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
Hey Rhett, great video. Sad situation with the cemetery.
They could be citated for illegal bumping. Since it's on private property, the people owning the property would have to make a complaint to the police.
That is just so sad.
Thank you for caring and trying to fine ways to remedy the situation.
I tried to reach out to the odd fellows in Santa Fe last time but I will try it again. They surely own the property. I know they did at one time. It's a shame to see this happen and I want to see it cleaned up and prevent it from happening again. The city has to try and do their part by imposing fines to stop it in the future. Thank you for watching.
@@RhettyforHistory the fellows piled the marble there not the shop, meant to be used as pavers did not complete the project, the odd fellows requested ordered that marble, new mexico is very into recycled material and they probably got a discount/ free since it is scrap it was intended to be a walkway but that pile was made by the odd fellows so I would stop putting out the marble company's name
I do not plan to keep putting the marble company's name out there. Again, please see the replies on all of the posts you have made.
@@RhettyforHistory well I am not going to name the cemetery s or even the towns they are in that are in worse shape you would have a heart attack seeing them, they make the off fellows cemetery look tidy
Like I said I have seen ones that are bad in just about every state I have visited. Usually those seem to be in outlying areas or more rural areas. But I have seen then in big cities including the one I live in.
Might have missed it, but have you tried calling the newspaper and/or tv stations? There is usually some reported or editor that wants to do a public affairs type story.
I tried every TV news station, paper and am and fm newstatjon in the metro Santa Fe area just in hopes that someone would pick up the story and run with it. I'm going to try and do that again this time. The more that reach out the better. Feel free to contact them if you like and I have some emails of some people to contact in the pinned comment.
new subscriber here , loved your video
Welcome to the channel and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for watching and subscribing!
Residents who know this information should call the company and let them know they are not naïve to the dumping they are doing in the cemetery. Also, go into the company’s reviews and make it known.
That's a good idea on the company's reviews. I really tried to get something changed about two and half years ago and I wasn't alone. Many of the viewers tried to help out the same way too. We had no one from Santa Fe or NM trying to help. That's what we really need. In the meantime hopefully they will listen if enough of us contact the people in the pinned comment. Thank you for watching.
The brothers both met a terrible end. Butch Cassidy is one of my heroes and favorite bandit so I learned about the Ketchum’s through their connection with him. I hate seeing neglected cemeteries. These people were loved and mattered. This makes me sad. Surely local citizens would pitch in to get things cleaned up? We have so little regard for history today.💔
on a side note, black jack ketechum, during his hanging, they miss judged the weight of ketchum and the rope, so he was decapitated when he was hung
Yes he was. There are some pretty graphic photos of that hanging out there that can be seen. At some point I will be doing a story on him but I will not be showing those photos. Thank you for watching John.
@@RhettyforHistory thanks
Thanks
Thank you for watching Dave!
Cough drops will help with the throat,,take care Rhetty,,
I was doing throat drops, honey, mountain dew etc. Everything I could think of. It's going to seem like this went on for awhile because of the videos coming out but it was really a short period of time. Thank you for watching.
Yep. It sure is disgusting. It’s difficult to understand why that company has so little respect for what is essentially a museum of the dead. Surly they should get a dumpster for all that stuff their lobbing over the fence.. recycle it or something. Anything other than dump it in a cemetery. Let’s hope someone with responsibility picks up on this and orders them to clean up their unsightly mess. Collectively our blood is boiling over this lack of respect. Well done for exposing them.
There are several of us contacting the people in the pinned comment in hopes of getting something done. Since there are some new people in those officers we are hoping they will listen and do something. It seems crazy that Captain Marble feels this is ok. Thank you for watching.
Black Jack was in the state pen a block away. Black Jack is buried in Clayton, NM. The pen has since been moved way out of town. I’m on the board for Fairview Cemetery if you need more info. They are cleaning up the Oddfelows Cemetery because they need to relocate approximately 115 graves that were found in downtown Santa Fe because there is a retirement home being built on the recently undiscovered cemetery near the Scottish Rite Temple.
So they have have been cleaning up the cemetery?? It only looks worse from when I saw it last!
@@RhettyforHistory yes it sucks. I set up a community service arrangement with the city for Fairview and supervise offenders who choose to do community service there. A couple of weeks ago I saw one man doing what he could to clean up the Odd Fellows grounds. I know the City or developer is planning to relocate remains recently unearthed more downtown Santa Fe to the Odd Fellows or Fairview. We have no room at Fairview and don’t want a mass grave at the expense of a retirement community.
Not *more. Remains recently unearthed in downtown Santa Fe.
If that happens it will be the second time that the Odd Fellows cemetery has accepted burials like that. This time I can see it happening without the consent of the Odd Fellows. Or it would appear since they are not actively trying to prevent that company from dumping in their cemetery. Who are some notable media people that I should contact? We need help in bringing awareness to this cemetery and what that marble company is doing.
@@RhettyforHistory hmm. Santa Fe is very liberal and anti history. I’d contact KRQE, they are the least liberal of the MSM. I’d also contact the museum of NM. I believe they may be the ones storing the remains. The old burial grounds was once a mason cemetery and also was used for Fort Marcy which was a US military fort once located where the retirement home is being built. Lots of history on Ft. Marcy. Santa Fe flew under many flags. Spain, France, Mexico, CSA and USA. Off topic but check out the battle of Glorieta. If you are near Santa Fe, I’d highly recommend touring the battlefield. My great great grandfather was a LT in that battle. Also read about the CSA mass grave discovered on Kip Siler’s property.
There is another neglected cemetery nearby. Our Lady of Guadalupe on Cerillos and St Francis. It's behind the tire store and donut shop. All shabby and weeds overgrown.
That is sad to hear about the neglect. Is it hurt overgrown or are their other issues? I ask that because it is very common to see cemeteries in NM with plants grown. It's sort of just part of the area unlike where I am from in Oklahoma. I know mowing in New Mexico can often be more trouble than it is worth and isn't really necessary. What I do not like to see is trash, destruction of monuments, graffiti etc. I'm hoping that none of that exists in the cemetery you mentioned.
What a ridiculously profane way to treat any place where people have laid to rest their loved ones. Even worse, members of our Nation's history are buried there.
I'm sure there are a lot of other stories in that cemetery. From what I researched before many of these people were located further in the city and they wanted to move them so the Odd Fellows accepted them into their cemetery. They did it on good intentions. This counter company is taking advantage of the situation next door. They wouldn't be doing that to Walmart. There are new people in office now so I'm hoping with a new round of emails we can make a difference. I'm still going to contact others in office that I did not list as well as various media outlets. We really could use some Santa Fe residents on board with this. Thank you for watching.
@@RhettyforHistory I mentioned to another commenter that Santa Fe is a very art oriented city. Have to wonder if those bigger scraps couldn't be used to paint on or etch or whatever. Several artists I've known were always looking for materials to do art on. (My Army buddy who died two years ago carved the skull in my thumbnail out of a box of gall-rust swells I brought him) Maybe a painter(s)/etcher(s) in Santa Fe would be willing to pick up all of it just to have the bigger pieces.
Contact mayor Allen Webber.
You have a very valid point about the artists there. I can't see why they or someone else wouldn't want some of those pieces. Regardless that dumping needs to stop and they need to pay for the cleanup. It's sad that people have to step up to get this company to do the right thing. Shame on them.
Has the local newspaper ever done an expose of this travesty?
Not that I am aware of. Last time I contacted every newspaper in the metro area, big and small. I contacted radio stations, mainly talk radio and AM. And then every television news station. The only people that I found helpful were the ones next door at Fairview cemetery. I contacted those that they recommended. After receiving no answers I tried again and then included people outside of the mayor. I sort of chalked it up to the fact that I was from out of state and so were many of the viewers. Some were even out of the country. I'm working on giving it another try. Hopefully with some more viewers reaching out and a few new people in New positions we might get something going. Thank you for watching.
Sad to see that anywhere
Yes it is and hopefully we can help stop that company next door from continuing this. Thank you for watching.
There is no good reason why the city could not take care of this cemetery. I live in a town of ten thousand people, with two cemeteries. Both are owned and maintained by the town and they are very well cared for.
As long as the Odd Fellows are around they should be held responsible for the upkeep. The city's job is to make sure that happens on their part. Thank you for watching!
Sad! I totally agree about that company!
Yes it is. Thank you for watching.
I'm hoping if enough of us email the contacts I have in the pinned comment we can make a difference.
@@RhettyforHistory I will check it out.
My great grandfather was an Odd Fellow. I am glad his group is doing okay and can keep up its graveyard. I will contact those you listed.
Thank you for your help on thus Kirk. I was thinking you helped before but I couldn't remember? I'm hoping since the channel has grown that there will be more of us reaching out to the right people. It's way past time for them to change this cemeteries condition. Thanks again for your help.
@@RhettyforHistory You're most welcome and it should be a crime to litter or deface a cemetery. It is my pleasure to help out.
I agree with you 1000%. I don't understand why people think this is ok. Especially when it is deliberate over and over like that marble company.
@@RhettyforHistory Right, they are dumping there to prevent having to pay the removal fees. It is a moral and should be a legal crime
You're right on them not wanting to pay for the removal fees. Someone raised a good point about there being a lot of artists in the area and that they could probably use those pieces. That company should arrange things like that with those artists or even the general public.
Very disrespectful! There’s a secluded beach here in RI that’s a dump site like this, but I was able to grab enough bricks from there to make a fire pit
Thats sad that people just decide to do that but it is good you recycled stuff. Some of this could be recycled but it really needs to stop being a dumping ground. Thank you for watching Tommy.
That’s ridiculous and uncalled for!
I agree. Thank you for watching.
Whoever owns that cemetery etc should sue that company. They could sue for the clean up and for the fact that they did that. Then perhaps they could use that money to clear and clean it up. The company doesn’t want to pay to have their ruble taken away! Despicable!
The odd fellows still own that cemetery as far as I'm aware. They may be intimidated by them I don't know. Something needs to be done to bring awareness even if it is us.. Thank you for watching.
Another great story. And I'm right there with you on holding people accountable for such deliberate destruction
of a cemetery. Hopefully some listening ears that knows that company and has some legal clout can draw more
awareness to what is going on there. I live in Arkansas so I wouldn't know who to reach out there. Maybe the scam
alert producers of any network in that area? One of our local stations in Little Rock , KATV has a segment called "7On Your
Side" goes after people and companies that are doing things like that.
I have a list of names to contact if you are interested in emailing them and helping to put pressure on them. They are listed in the top pinned comment. I plan on not only contacting them but also higher elected officials and media just like last time. I'm not as far away as you are but I am still 8 hours away and in Oklahoma. I'm hoping that with more people contacting them then they may decide to do something. The ideal situation would be for people of NM and Santa Fe to contact elected officials. I don't think I had any viewers from either before but hopefully I do now. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory I believe, I will do that. I'm part of a facebook group called Arkansas Tombstones and we are
always documenting old cemeteries and calling attention to any neglect and or littering.
That's awesome you all do that. I wonder if there is one like that for NM? It sure could use some help like that.
Have a wonderful happy thanksgiving.
Thank you and I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving as well.
Funny that the OFL want you to apologize for blaming the marble company yet hasn’t apologized to the families for the lack of caring for their own cemetery!!!
I see it the same way you do. I wanted to apologize based on the news article which I have in the description. Has nothing to do with the Odd Fellows there. I believe in doing the right thing which is why I was speaking up for the cemetery because those people cannot. But I agree with you. The right thing for the Odd Fellows to do is clean up the trash and keep it clean and apologize to the families of those interred. Thank you for watching and I'm glad we are on the same page with that.
@@RhettyforHistory 100% Rhett!!
So sad. I pray Something soon gets done.
You and me both. It's long overdue! Thank you for watching Rebecca!
Marble king , said they were asked to dump it there to make a sidewalk ! And that the would never just dump it.
Captain Marble did? And if it was Captain Marble then who asked them? The odd fellows?
Send this to mayor Webber of the city of Santa Fe. He and PNM have allowed the homeless and local businesses to trash this place. It’s a City of Santa Fe issue.
It is a city of Santa Fe issue but the biggest problem here is the trash from the marble company next door. That's what need to stop. I will be contacting him and the others I have pinned in the top comment. Something needs to happen even if it takes some out of towners to get it done. Thank you for watching.
@@RhettyforHistory thank you sir. I have reported it several times as well. Maybe we can get folks to blast the mayors office.
I am hoping to blast the mayors office and every other public office. We did it last time but I noticed that some people have left and others have come in.
Well I guess you can call the owner of the company and the manager. And the last resort is get volunteers to pick it up and stuck it against the fence. All you can do. We had to do that with a cemetery here in Oregon.
All of those pieces need to go back over to that company in one big pile in their parking spots or in front of their door. I have had trouble trying to get people in Santa Fe motivated to make a change. I hope with more of us contacting the people I'm the pinned comment they will decide to do the right thing. Thank you for watching Lisa.
@@RhettyforHistory yea..I know. It's super frustrating wish I could help. We had mega garbage in our cemetery to. Lack of respect. Sorry 😞
As far as physically cleaning up I can't help either. I'm too far away. All I can do is write those I have pinned in the comments. You can do that to if you would like to. I plan on reach out to other elected officials as well as various media outlets. Hopefully this time we can make a difference.
@@RhettyforHistory will do
Thank you Lisa!
That's bull I have a little cemetery I take care of with little kids in it it is south of silverdale ks across the ok line and looks like a town use to be there I hope you can find out I take care of it out of respect for how there help if you can keep up the good work thanks
That is good that you do what you do to help out that cemetery near you. Thank you for doing that. This cemetery has been troublesome. If I lived there then maybe it would be easier to bring awareness to it. I have never had this issue before with getting people interested in it. The cemetery definitely needs people of New Mexico and Santa Fe interested in helping with it. The city of Santa Fe has to to put a stop to that company dumping scraps on the grounds. There is no excuse for that. If they imposed fines I guarantee it would stop. In the meantime I am hoping that if enough of us write to the people I have listed in the pinned comment then maybe it will make a difference. Thank you for watching.
Sent complaint. Don’t know if it will help or if I get response but it’s sent. Went to the top, director of that Santa Fe railroad who leases to them, and the Mayor of Santa Fe
I think it may be having something done to it. I have a pinned comment to the top and it sort of explains what is happening. I hope they follow thru with it and I'd like to return to see a difference.
Sad to see a cemetery in this shape. I knew that Black Jack Ketchum had a brother but didn't know where he was buried at. Very interesting video as always Rhetty. Do you plan on visiting Black Jack Ketchums grave? I was trying to remember if you had been to Clay Allison's grave or not also?
I'm hoping the city will listen to us if enough of us contact them this time. I do plan on visiting the men you mentioned. I have a ton on the list to see and will be busy at it for a long time. Thank you for watching!
The actions of the people who left the trash are so disgusting and disrespectful to the memories of the people buried there. 😪
I agree with you. I cannot believe this cemetery had been in this condition for ten years. I think that should have never happened!
Its disgusting how our history is being destroyed here in America. This is a very historic cemetery. thanks for the great story about the Ketchum brothers who I have no sympathy for there choosing a life of crime.
It's sad to see this cemetery in such sad shape. There are every day people in here. No telling what other history is in there. I'm hoping hoping that if enough of us contact the people I pinned in the top comment then it might make a difference. Thank you for watching Greg.
@@RhettyforHistory I will sure chime in on this
Thank you for your help on this. I'm hoping a large number of us can make the difference.
Heartbreaking
Yes it is. Thank you for watching.
The lack of respect for the living and the dead these days is really sad.
It is sad. Unfortunately it's nothing new. It's been going on for a long time. Centuries in fact. Thank you for watching!
This is so sad and disrespectful of what they are doing... It's sad that to think that maybe in another 30 yrs this place won't be much and history that made our country will be lost... The ppl that are putting trash in these places should be ashamed of themselves for being so disrespectful like really how would they or their family like what they are doing done to their family or themselves once they are gone
It is disrespectful and you're right about that. I doubt they would do that to their family's cemetery. I'm hoping that all of us can make a difference and with enough of us writing the people in the pinned comment they will listen this time. It's sad we have to do that. Thank you for watching.
very sad that such history is disrespected in this way
I agree with you 1000%. Thank you for watching!
What a terrible company. I’m not shocked the state or city doesn’t care either. It’s not their loved ones in there. I bet it would be different if there were.
I bet you are right on that. I remember you watched the first video and it's sad that nothing has changed. I'm hoping with the new people on office in the pinned comment we can put pressure on them to make a difference. Thank you for watching Paul.
😠I agree with you. So sad.
This cemetery is an historical site. Black Jack Ketchum's brother is buried here,representing the old West history. Maybe we need the clout of stars like Sam Elliott,Clint Eastwood,etc to put pressure on people here. Sad display of disrespect for pioneer Americans.
It would be great if we could star power help. Especially since a lot of films and shows are filmed in New Mexico. Anything would help. Thank you for watching!
You say you "reached out" to lots of entities regarding the scrap marble and stone etc. Did you at any time "reach out" to Captain Marble for comment? Their phone number is right there on that sign. Let us know when you do.
Sad to see this cemetery. One of my great grandfathers is buried in the Texico, New Mexico cemetery. I visited about 10 years ago and it was well kept. Sad to say, many small towns, such as the one I went to high school in Oklahoma, have a hard time maintaining their cemeterys. Just not enough tax money being generated in the town any more.
Well the truth of the matter is it's really not a town's responsibility. Many cemeteries were started and maintained by some sort of organization or family. If those disappear then it is up to the every day citizens to step up. In this case there are more than enough of that in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Thank you for watching!
@@RhettyforHistory I the town that I mentioned, the town has maintained the cemetery, not sure how this got set up. Plot owners and volunteers also help. More is still needed, but this cemetery is still in much better shape than the one in the video.
Yeah this one has been neglected for a long time. Since mowing isn't needed in a lot of NM cemeteries I think a lot of people just don't give this one too much thought. But it really does need attention to keep the trash out. You will see some cemeteries maintained by towns but it's generally not how most are.
@@RhettyforHistory When I was young(about 50 years ago now) my friends and I were driving northwest of Konawa, Oklahoma(several miles northwest of the present Konawa cemeterys) on a dirt road. We found a cemetery that was completely grown up with trees and such. It appears that it had been completely forgotten. Not sure of its condition at this point.
Hard to say where that was to even check on it.
Thats so disrespectful they need to clean it up...this is a cemetery not a dump .....ugh!!!
I agree. I can't see any reason that would validate this. Thank you for watching Kathy.
Enjoyed very much but its terrible in what condition the cemetery is in .
Yes it is. I'm hoping that if more of us contact the right people they will do something. It's way overdue. Thank you for watching!
Just a thought: Why don't interested parties meet up with the district judge and convince him to schedule some of those people doing community service to clean it up. To me this is an ideal project for the local law enforcement people to address. They use them to pick up litter so why not send them over to clean up this mess.
It's a great idea. Right now that is a challenge. The interested parties are out of state. I'm 8 hours away. The other difficulty becomes meeting with the officials. They are still pretty close to a lockdown and there hasn't been any in person meetings. If we can get responses from them then perhaps a zoom meeting is possible. I'm hopeful that with more of us contacting them then maybe something will get done.
Perhaps someone with an endloader can load the scrap marble over the fence into Capt. Marble's parking lot...
I have a pinned comment at the top. According to a newspaper article the fault lies at the hands of the odd fellows. Who would have guessed they did that and left it for 10 years. Thank you for watching Leonard.