Pokémon Gold and Silver are a complete mess
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
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Let's play Pokémon Generation 2 (Gold/Silver)! Little retrospective of what's different from generation 1. I play with the new systems including breeding, egg moves, friendship evolutions, improved fishing, and timed events.
This is a retrospective, partially a review, and most of all one of my Playing Games as Intended playthroughs, where I try to cover all the content, complete all the quests, and make use of any CLEVER pieces of tech the developers gave us to solve challenges.
2:37 Run start
7:01 Falkner
12:06 Bugsy
16:54 Whitney
24:28 Morty
35:37 Chuck
38:48 Jasmine
42:36 Pryce
54:05 Clair
1:02:36 Elite Four
1:10:22 Discussion 
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No idea who you are but the algorithm said to watch this so here I am
Unironically what I love to hear. Welcome
It's working!
@ji_mothy I'm always stoked to find a new creator to watch, just weird youtube decided to recommend it to me because I really only watch stuff about watches anymore. Cool little quirk of the algo. Subbed. Can't wait for more 👌🏻
came here from the yellow which sent me back to the red/blue vids
honestly surprised this guy never popped up in my feed before
Algorithm hooked me up with him a few weeks/months ago and my policy is to sub and ring bell for people I find who make videos I wanna watch
“You’ll want to begin the game on a Tuesday at 9:30pm”
Oh yeah this is EXACTLY the content I want.
Just as intended
Fun fact, if Shuckie's friendship is high his owner lets you keep him.
Was about to bring this up, then I saw this comment.
I just kept him in the box forever,
No escape 🙅
Don't fuckie with the shuckie
I believe a Kanto follow-up video should be in order for a complete experience of gen 2
Yeah. I would suggest doing it Ash style. Choose 1-3 pokemon to bring over to get you started but build out your team from what you find over in Kanto.
Let's sum up the problems with Gold and Silver with Houndoor. Half the gyms past Whitney are weak to Fire and Dark, so where do they put the fire and dark Pokemon? All the way in Kanto.
list of counters to houndour: a) houndour b) poliwrath... oh WHERE do you get a water stone? hmm.
Slugma is technically native to kanto...just a few years after red did it show up.
lmao
@@ji_mothyYour mom can buy the water stone too. That’s how I got it although I was playing Crystal so maybe she doesn’t buy them in Gold/Silver.
The lack of going for a Heracross as soon as you could, deeply saddens me.
He just doesn't learn any fighting OR bug moves :/
@@ji_mothy Megahorn being level 54 and rock smash as the only fighting is a bit sad ya, just always felt icon to me though.
Most people: "HM Slave"
ji_monty: "HM Wh-... HM Lady of Negotiable Affection"
I've gotta see a kanto section now that I've finished the video.
Unlike most videos on gen 2, your format makes a lot of sense to cover it.
Seeing these games has unlocked so many long dormant memories. Been watching through all of your "Intended" videos, multiple times sometimes.
You missed up part of the story with Shucky the shuckle. If you max friendship Shucky the kid will notice it and will tell you to keep it
You missed the hidden ability Shuckle has in Gen 2 that converts Berries into Berry Juice.
It's considered a precursor to what Gen 3 introduced.
6:38 Funniest shit for me. I was so tired yesterday that, when you said "We can conserve Heehee's Tackle PP." I understood, "We can conserve Heehee's Tactical Peepee."
For some reason whenever he said Heehee, it sounded funnier every time
I have to _heavily_ disagree with your take on the rivals. Blue was just a dick who didn't learn anything and kept acting like he was better than the player, even when he kept losing. He only changed his tone at the very end of the game. Silver keeps questioning himself and his methods and has a clear arc going from seeing his Pokémon as mere tools for battle to friends and cherished partners (Crobat, anyone?)
>Playing the game as intended
>Okay so first we need to align the moon with venus on a Tuesday...
Entertaining stuff, my fellow
This series is so fun! I'm really loving it. Aso I'm impressed at how quickly you've been putting these out. Just don't overwork yourself and get burned out!
I'd love a segment talking about how you do team/route planning for these, you always come up with ideas and strats that I haven't considered after playing these games for over 20 years. Would also love to see a post-game segment. Kanto is so much of a mess it makes Johto look tight by comparison so I'm looking forward to your takes on it.
I hope you continue with gen 3 eventually!
came for the weird, unwarranted 30 seconds to mars references, stayed for the pokemon
New ji_mothy, only 5 minutes old! Get it fresh!
Liking the video - but RUclips Ads make it unwatchable
I could never go back after getting premium. Completely intolerable in a swing state on a general election year
So many goddamn ads
I have to say this "games as intended" is the freshest take on a playthrough I've ever seen. Kind of a mix of a guided playthrough with the deeper idea of min-maxing without actually a min-maxing.
The trades seem so out of place in this game for sure! There are some pretty simple fixes in my opinion:
Instead of an Onyx trade early, have it later and version exclusive: have one version trade a Scyther and one an Onyx, and require the opposite holding a Metal Coat. The one you receive also has a Metal Coat, and immediately evolves on receipt.
Instead of Machop, Tyrogue would be a nifty trade option that fills the same role and shows off baby Pokemon.
The Dragonair trade could be a great bit of environmental storytelling: have the girl say that she wants a Dragonair but isn’t strong enough to be allowed in the cave and will trade a rare Pokemon for one; instead of Rhydon, have her give a Larvitar, letting you have the psuedo for the Elite Four.
The Voltorb trade is trash, try again.
Man, I’m so tired of people dunking on these games. gold and silver were always more about the adventure than they were about having balanced Pokémon or making everything about the newly introduced Pokédex entries. The games were incredible and the vibes were unreal.
The vibes of G/S/C are unparalleled. Melancholy and nostalgia captured by the music is insane. They probably have the best music rearrangements too.
Also Johto’s history is a good contrast to Kantos modern pollution.
A bit harsh on Rocky.
You are still getting a traded Onix with double XP in a region where XP is difficult to gain.
You can def use it for Falkner because mud slap is physical and Onix has sky high physical def.
You can slap dig and iron tail on it and evolve as a Steelix as soon as you get Thief.
Obedience system makes using it questionable until after gym 2.
Using it for falkner is also sketchy. x2 mud slap can wittle you down, while your poor attack and reduced accuracy make it hard to fight back.
Provided you have the ability to trade it.
31:06 Why is that a bad thing? I don’t necessarily disagree that he’s worse than Blue but to say that he’s worse just because he’s an asshole? Like, he’s your rival, you’re supposed to want to beat him up.
Like, he’s Giovanni’s son, that is such a sick as fuck concept for a rival. What do you mean he’s worse because he’s a criminal?
@@numetalOverlord The issue is his not a REAL rival as there is literally 0 rivalry between the player and him as his just a random a-hole you don't even know who just randomly comes to challenge you for no reason and then just whines how the player "sucks" even tho his using a freaking Sneasel with mighty moves like Quick Attack and Feint Attack, also him being Giovanni's son was something that was added a decade later in HGSS...
The struggle of finding a waterstone is real ._. just started another silver playthrough and really wanted a poliwrath but here I am, at the final gym of johto, waterstoneless :(
great video! love your energy
Miltank, taurus, and snubull …
A cow, a bull, and a bull dog …
Nope, no thematic grouping as far as I can tell
Thanks for not being cringe. :)
I really enjoyed how you planned out your playthrough so well and explained the reasons, mechanics and alternate choices and paths.
Your question about why Miltank, Tauros, and Snubbull are all condensed near Olivine reminds me of a theory I had as a kid. It's never confirmed, but given that Miltank is from this area, I always figured Whitney was related to the farmhands near Olivine. And there's also a bunch of Normal-types in the area, which further lends to that theory.
A guess as to why Miltank and Tauros are both at route 37/38 could be that it's a bull and a cow. And snubbul for a poor attempt at a herd-dog.
In terms of useful egg moves I think Leech Seed on Meganium and High Jump Kick on Hitmontop are pretty good since Meganium lacks many useful support moves that you'd expect a bulky grass type to have and Hitmontop just straight up doesn't have a fighting move until level 49.
Great video, I'd love to see a Kanto post-game vid as well as one on Crystal
Ngl, I never once considered Kanto "post game" when it's like 1/3 of the game content
Oh man I am so glad you did this video. These are also my favorite games, similarly did large in part to nostalgia. I also love the goofy, unique teams that you throw together that always end up somehow being very effective. I can't say I hold all the same feelings on all the aspects discussed in the video, but I'm not sure how much of that is due to nostalgia. Would absolutely love other videos for post game and for Crystal. More content in these games always makes me happy!
Every time you upload my day gets better.
31:15 Excuse me? Silver is one of the best rivals the series had (after Blue ofc)! You're not meant to like him as a person but that even makes him an even better rival because you naturally want to put him in his place. He also shows a lot of growth over the course of the game and even managed to evolve his Zubat into Crobat which is a FRIENDSHIP evolution (which he kept since Dark Cave, even though he claims to only be interested in strong Pokémon (which Zubat/Golbat aren't really)). This is one of the worst takes I've heard in this video, honestly! I'll die on this hill defending Silver because he IS a great character and an amazing rival and genuinely one of my all-time favourite characters in the entire series!
Amen
The only thing that really bothers me about Silver is that your player shouldn't really want to compete with him since he's not only unpleasant, but an actual criminal that's stealing from the person you technically work for. It's not even like you're actively pursuing him to get the starter back either, so it feels a little weird that you just fall into the standard rivalry with him after a while, which took until HG/SS to get a proper conclusion to where he tries to return the starter he stole.
Silver gets a bit more fleshed out in HGSS, but as he is in G/S/C, he leaves a lot to be desired. You fight him multiple times throughout the game and he always responds with edge-lord confusion after every loss and rejects everyone who says maybe - just maybe - he should love his pokemon; it’s only in your final fight at the end of the game, they VERY SLIGHTLY elude to him being on the right path and that he now knows the importance of loving + he now has a friendship evolution. It all comes so suddenly after being so one-note all game long, and his newfound love for his pokemon is so understated in that last fight that I can see why certain people would struggle to care for him/enjoy him.
Loved these games so much as a kid. Spent a good year before release religiously reading a magazine preview of the games over and over. So much soul.
The only time I used an eggmove in a playtrhough was in a crystal run where I gave my Exeggcute mega drain through a Sunkern. That was pretty useful from time to time
Just found your Videos and im enjoying every second of them. Thank you mate
Scyther was one of my favorite pokemon in Silver, he learns a move called False Swipe that can't damage an opponent past 1hp, so it's excellent for capturing wild pokemon.
I see you're playing the game as intended, however not choosing cyndaquil as a starter because the mud slap weakness (even tough he evolves at level 14 to Quilava and finishes Pidgeotto with less than 3 Embers and is strong against half of the gym leaders ans elite 4) kind of ruins the story telling a bit. Silver having a Totodile and evolving him to Feraliagtor It's a great development even if accidental, as he turns from a cute baby into a tough monster, adapting to Silver's personality.
Also, I find it strange that you didn't use Togepi, for me he is a fundamental Pokémon in the story, because even though he doesn't have good stats, he is full of mechanics like several support movements, and it only evolves if you love and take good care of it, representing the essence of Pokémon. In the end it just seemed like you wanted to use your favorite Pokémon while playing a game in a superficial way
Great video, and congrats on 25k!
I'm so torn. I want more to this video so I want Kanto. But I want more content from your channel so I want that to be a separate video. I guess if I am patient I will be happy eventually
i dunno mothy i think we're gunna have to fight about this one, if you could meet me in the parking lot that'd be great but if not i understand ❤ hope you have a great day!
I really enjoyed the video, the points made in it were really thought out and it shows.
As for the question you asked, would we be interested in the actual teammaking since a single change would make an HM unavailable, I'm pretty confident in saying this: We're watching a 1h30+ video on playing the game as efficiently as possible, the "very detailed theorycrafting in old games" genre feels super niche but maaan it's something I always enjoy, and the kind of content I crave, sometimes I'll watch a 6+ hour retrospective video multiple times to soak in everything that's being said.
I always really like it when you go into detail about why this thing COULD work but because of THAT other thing you decided against it, and I genuinely think it would be a blast to see theorycrafting on a more "technical" level from you.
TL;DR PLEASE DO THE SILVER VERSION AND THE POSTGAME AND THE PURE THEORYCRAFT SIDE OF THINGS
Laying the groundwork for the knife spoon and fork joke and dropping it after like 2 hours of videos was so good
Never going to see that character model as anything but Elton John now! Another banger, love to see the Kanto content... Mostly for how you handle Red
Militank and Tauros are clustered because cow and bull theming. I imagine Snubull is there because farmdog reasons.
really enjoying these videos mothy! gen II was my jam. loved the day/night cycle and the quality of life improvements.
As someone else mentioned, you randomly popped up in my algorithm and now I’m binge watching all of your videos 😂. Great stuff!!
Found your channel first with the Yellow video, this is cool! can't wait to see the later vids in this series!
this was a solid video I really enjoyed it! Thanks for doing a in-depth look at one of my favorite games!
Loved both the red/blue retrospective/as intented and the yellow as well! Super keen to get into this one!
I gotta be that guy: Actually Pokemon Yellow introduced friendship. But ofc not for every pokemon
I had to make sure someone else pointed this out. Thank you kind sir.
Hell yeah new Mothy! Needed a pick-me-up today and I can't think of anything better
58:46 can’t believe it took me until watching this video to realize Tohjo is an anagram for Johto I feel like a genuine idiot for never getting that until now
Gen 2 is still my favorite after all these years. It added so much to the series. Night and day cycles, timed events, gendered Pokemon, breeding, held items, splitting Special into two stats (special attack and special defense), adding two new types, full color sprites, and even the whole of Kanto as an end-game bonus, allowing us to see how the region has changed over the years in-universe. This is by far the most ambitious game in the Pokemon series. Shame these days, they know people will buy their games no matter what, so they just release them half finished.
You don't have to give Kenya back to finish the quest, actually. The NPC only cares about the letter, you can transfer it to any other pokémon. And you get to keep the Shuckle if its happiness is high enough.
MOTHY PLEASE I HAVE TO SLEEP
good night dear whisper
Love that I found you, came for the challenge runs stayed for the excellent puns.
Oooh. I was waiting for this one, since it's the Gen that I started with, and would watch a Crystal video, for the record.
Using Twister on a Mantine to defeat Kingdra is like using Water Gun on a Raticate to defeat Giovannis Dugtrio
Very happy I subscribed to this channel. Love the videos
As soon as you exited the gym and Prof. Elm called you, my phone in real life rang.
That's probably the closest I've ever felt to realizing we're living in the Matrix.
grats on passing 25K!🎉
“Ghosts usually curse to see themselves out” lmaooo
I know I'm late but congrats on 26k, my guy. Keep it up.
I remember all the times playing this game. If I only use my starter Totodile, usually he would be level 60 something by the time I made it to the E4. However everyone else on my team was around the level they were when I caught them and maybe an HM slave mixed in. Before beating Kanto, I'd use the exp share to level up my team while solo-ing the E4 with feraligatr for extra levels. Needless to say Red destroyed me as I didn't know he was there and feraligatr was the only one on par with his team.
Ehh,
I liked your first gen videos but this one feels like it is lacking in depth.
For example I personally consider Kanto as the last 1/3 of the game and not post game. It basically gives you a “tutorial” run of Johto with gyms, quests, and elite 4, and then hands you a new (but possibly familiar) map with the same objectives but the hand holding is over. It’s entirely up to the player to decide how to tackle it and play the second area. The game is entirely designed around this being the end game, including putting new and old favorites hidden in this region.
The thing about gold and Silver, that your video fails to capture, is that these games put heavy value on retreading your paths and exploring past the routes. So many areas in the game have little side pockets for you to surf or explore. You touch on this with the soft sand and Lapras but you also gloss over them because you’ve over thought your playthrough (imo).
They aren’t perfect games, but for sure the experience was never intended to be so meticulously thought out. Your own gripe about IVs is particularly poignant because it mirrors the devs gripes with players who over value the mechanic meant to give each Pokemon and player a unique experience. Keep in mind most people who played gold and silver did so without any knowledge of EVs and IVs.
Your videos on the first game were much less focused on “beating” the game as expertly as possible and showcased a lot of the in between Pokemon. Johto has its flaws with Pokemon variance and availability but certain ones, like Togepi and Shuckle are some that many players would keep just because of the event value.
I hope you revisit Kanto in another video and show off more of these elements.
Debatable whether or not Kanto is postgame but beating the Elite 4 is clearly the most challenging part of the game until you get to red at the very end of the game and beating them even provides you with end credits. The gym leaders in Kanto are all pushovers and the area feels really dead and lacking in content compared to Johto. It behaves more like a fun area to revisit after playing the gen 1 games than it does required content. I assume he'll touch on this stuff if he does a follow-up vid on Kanto.
I guess he could have spent a little more time talking about exploring previous areas (by utilizing surf and strength acquired in the mid-game) and how that's a solid addition to these games but that there ultimately isn't a huge incentive to actually do a lot of them. Ruins of Alph are pretty useless (somewhat corrected in Crystal), Mt. Mortar gives you a low level baby pokemon who you have to go out of your way to make useful, Dark Cave has next to nothing, Slowpoke Well has a King's Rock, and Union Cave has a level 20 Lapras (on one day of the week). He does touch on all of these things throughout the video but doesn't summarize his thoughts on them.
Definitely would love a Kanto half video.
5:18
I see what you did there x3
Reference to Vietnamese Crystal.
I'm going to use this video to help me sleep, and then I'll rewatch it with my morning coffee ❤️
Really good video, loving the pokemon content. Would love to see a follow up of kanto with the post game of gold/silver, and finishing with the battle atop mt.silver
Love the inherit trust people have giving you a Spearow or Shuckle expecting them to be returned. Then you just end up keeping their pokemon in a box
Found u from the yellow video, watched red/blue and u got me glued. You know we want that Kanto! Especially in Gen 2 the post game is super important if you're talking about intended play.
I love this series, Mothy. It’s fantastic. Such a relaxing watch.
These videos are great!! On the jrpg train, Have you considered looking into the challenge of “first run max s links” from the post 3 persona games? Its a doable and intended challenge to complete every social link on a initial non ng+ playthrough but to do it you have to really manage your calendar time similar to your stardew one year run and make use of a lot of mechanics while balancing the dungeons social stat raising and etc. I think this would be very fun to watch in this style but obviously those are long games and are very plot heavy more so than ones you’ve covered before. There are existing guides for this you can look at for the structure but it’s very hard to find entertaining videos of.
I'll be fr that for time reasons it's very unlikely but I DO like where your heads at and agree that would make a good video for this style! It sounds similar to FFX-2 where you have to be talking to everyone everywhere all the time maybe
@@ji_mothythe way it works out is plotting out how you’re going to spend each in game day/night ahead of time because the actions of hanging out with someone, raising a social stat or dungeoning advance the time to the next part (day/night), so in practice it ends up being very very similar to stardew just minus an in game clock, just a calendar. it’s a lot of decisions that cascade and have risk/reward and ends up being pretty interesting :)
Seems weird to fixate so much on getting Twister when crobat's fly would do like 60% more damage to kingdra. But getting the claymore to shut down the dragon is pretty based.
I'm wondering if Gamefreak put so many of the new Gen 2 Pokemon in difficult places so as to encourage trading.
Been subbed since the "as intended" series started.
You're one if my favourite content creators at the moment. You obviously put a lot of creative work in and I love that.
You're the only one (I am aware of) with that kind of content. Keep it up =)
4:44 the way I screamed at the Olivia reference
Very interesting approach to a playthrough review; I'd personally very much like to hear more about your thought process for teambuilding, yes!
I would of cause love the Kanto follow-up~
Also do not mind the longer vid
Oh hells yeah I just shared your red/blue video with my friend yesterday, and now there’s a gold/silver one too? 🎉
Loving the pokemon videos, will there be a continuation of the mass effect playthrough too?
national park is one of the best songs on Pokemon. Opening theme, pokecenter original, and national park......
Im excited for the Crystal video. Crystal was where I started with the series and always almost brings a tear to my eye when I play it again.
The algorithm deemed you worthy of my view. I love me some older generation pokemon so I'm not disappointed.
A rebuttal about HMs. 3 are only used as progression checks or when exploring optional areas and finding items. Flash, Waterfall, and Whirlpool. They aren't really encountered enough to need a mandatory move slot in the main party. If they took the whirlpool out of the Dragon's Den and the Waterfall out of the route between New Bark and Victory road. They would not be required for any story progression until Mt. Silver to fight Red. If it bothers people to try and find pokemon or move slots for those HMs, it is probably best to keep like a Chinchou in the box that you take out solely for the purposes of exploring optional areas.
Hey what happens if you're standing on the tile on the daily NPCs tied to days of the week, when you load up the game?
52:12 You’re not locked out of Steelix. You can thief Metal Coats off of wild Magnemites.
I think being locked out of the trade evolutions was more about playing the game single-player.
@@DuskoftheTwilightI don’t really feel like that’s a fair complaint then.
@@numetalOverlordhow are you trading for it?
@@conorwasson4727 You can trade on emulator very easily.
@Metal_Overlord it is a perfectly valid complaint. Steelix is much better than Onix
Been enjoying these vids of yours. I hope to see Crystal and/or the Kanto post-game next.
This was great, amazing edit and commentary, enjoyed every bit of it, waiting for kanto!
Just a quick observation, you can get the stones from trainers (i assume you already know this, water stone can be obtained on route 42) and of course the catching contest
The hits keep coming, Mothy! Please never stop making these!
Awesome content! Subbed and can't wait to see more pokémon and stardew from you!
Definitely want to see follow-ups on “is crystal better than G/S” and gen 2 post game in kanto
Bro omfg you have no idea these games ARE my childhood. I love your videos and seeing you give these gems love has seriously made my night better. Thank you! I'll watch anything you post but if you ever consider covering Kanto and the Red fight or even Crystal in this fashion I'd have a joy overdose.
I love muscle but the amount of people who got bodied by Whitney could just as easily grabbed a Nidoran on the routes before and after the bug contest.
Silver (rivals canon name lol) is not only a criminal, but also seems to be related to giovanny. So really teh apple does not fall far there lol
In the remakes, Silver offered to return the stolen Pokémon back to Elm.
Ho-oh is my favorite Pokemon ever. I am so happy you used them.
At first, I was worried you were skipping Ho-oh when you mentioned getting Lugia before you had Ho-oh.
Silver will always be number 1 in my heart for the music alone
Great video, thank you!