Whenever I listen to these two remarkable men I feel like I sitting on the porch just listening to them! Such an enormous amount of knowledge! To me this is my main gun channel! Plus, I'm an old gun guy myself! Best to ya',,,,HAPPY NEW YEAR!
If you look at the odds of you being involved in a defensive shooting and combine that with the statistics regarding rounds needed to stop the threat, you can come to the conclusion that; the caliber, capacity, and brand of gun is far less important than the fact that you do carry a firearm and can deploy and use whatever it is.
I think about it regionally: I live in Northern Arizona (rural). A 1911 or revolver would be alright, as far as capacity, in this area. If I lived in an urban area I would want more capacity. Just some ideas...
I also wonder how many people that are successful in a defensive shooting encounter every year are at the range 3 or 4 times a week trying to shave a hundredth of a second off their par time, yet that seems all the rage these days. In the training industry the "old hats" who can"t empty a 15 round magazine at a steel plate in 3 seconds are going by the wayside.
In today's America, the #1 training anyone can get is how best to avoid a confrontation in the first place. Secondary would be how to fight your way AWAY should you fail at #1. I think the trainers who master a course with this philosophy will remain relevant.
I'm happy that anyone has ANY kind of gun whether it's a revolver or a semi-auto. But for my senior lady hands, it's semi-auto every time all the time.
If you ever get to the point where you have reduced hand strength you might look into the Smith & Wesson EZ series of pistols. They seem to be a big hit.
@@JustDefense , yes, the EZ guns are great. Even young female students who show up to basic pistol class have an EZ 380 or 9 mm with them. I'm sure I'll get to that point someday, but right now my Glock 19 and my Glock 42 still work for me. Just not one handed. For that I would have to switch to my TX22. Not saying it's ideal, but the crack of a 22 long rifle is actually pretty impressive and if I just had one working hand...
@@JustDefense , second comment. It's not racking the slide that is difficult, it's the easier semi-auto trigger pull that I love. I've never been able to fire a revolver with just one finger. I have to use the index finger of both hands to pull those triggers back. So that's a deal breaker along with the limited round count.
I have one of the first Sig P320s. It was my first pistol. I tried a few grips with different stippling including the x carry grip. I could not shoot well it. The Wilson Combat Grip is truly a game changer. It seemed tailored for my old hands. This is not a standard P320 grip with some mods. The WC P320 grip is wonderfuly ergonomic. Thank you Wilson Combat for your R&D and a great product.
I have Wilson grips on all my 320's, and I'm very thankful that Wilson has grip models for the M17/M18 with manual safeties... hardly anyone else does. My favorite is the smaller Wilson compact-size grip (reduces the mag capacity by a couple rounds) that I use on my M18. This makes the M18 G19-sized, which is just about perfect. I treat my 320's like a Browning Hi Power, and don't point them loaded with the safety off at my "junk".
Revolvers may come back in popularity. I have a Ruger SP101 3 inch that I will never sell even though I never carry it. Five shots does not set well with me since the bad guys travel in a pack like wild dogs. I have metal framed and polymer framed hand guns and love them both, polymer is a little easier to carry.
I just sold my Glock 23 gen 5 and bought a full sized 1911 with a rail in 45 auto. I bought two Tripp research cobra mags and will be brushing back up on using that system. Metal guns will on gain popularity because of the way they make you feel.
I don't think revolvers will come back strong unless they find a way to make them cheaper. With few exceptions, nowadays only cheap revolvers are cheap revolvers if you know what I mean. When you can pickup a flagship model semi-auto for under $500, it makes the idea of buying a revolver abit salty to alot of people.
As an old guy just starting to collect some handguns and others firearms, I am in AWE at the knowledge and diversity. Thank you both for sharing and passing your wisdom and experiences to others!
Damn, I love Hackathorn. In 14 minutes he has succeeded in pissing off the tattoo, muscled up, tacticool operators who insist on "running" a whizbang operator pistol aimed at their cajones so they can go around the corner to get a gallon of milk.
I love him too and appreciate his perspective. For me I only get to defend my life, and the life of my wife and kids, with what I have on me. We don’t get to choose when evil strikes. If I’m not printing then I get to choose whatever I want to go get a gallon of milk, which is going to be a bigger gun. And he can carry his 8+1 capacity fancy Commander 1911 on his hip, or a 6 shot revolver. I will go to my grave supporting his right to do so, even if he doesn’t support mine.
Very informative. As a fellow Boomer in my mid 70s I agreed w/everything said here, to include the red dot craze. I don’t have a red dot on any of my guns b/c of the three real world on duty shootings experienced in my 30 yrs.
Thanks so much for the no BS commentary! But then I’m old. 😆. I shoot RD sights and irons; raised on irons. Marine Corps trained on irons. Ken, your dead on with your comment about the round count to get combat proficient on both. 100 percent. Thanks again for your channel.
Bill and Ken are a huge vat of gun knowledge. Throw LAV in there, and you have three guys who are national treasures. I really appreciated this episode. Great insights. Thank you Mr. Wilson and Mr. Hackathorn.
I love my aiwb and I’m not changing, but I respect Hawthorn’s stance. AIWB seemed a fad for some time, but I really do think it is a good carry position.
If anything will teach you great trigger discipline, it’s carrying AIWB. If you mess up it’s your junk/femoral artery on the line. All jokes aside, I’ve carried at 1 o’clock for 6 years and I think it’s the best for me. Less printing issues, less worrying bending over and showing the gun, and a *lot* smoother draw stroke. It’s not for everyone but it suits me well.
I’ve been exclusively shooting 22lr. Recoil management is basically nonexistent, but it still gives me enough trigger time to maintain some proficiency. It’s just too expensive for me to shoot 500 rounds of 9mm these days.
You're part of a great big club right now! I have mostly shot my Taurus TX22 for the last year and a half. Frankly, I love those 16 rounds and they all go in pretty much the same place because of the lack of recoil. When I take my dog out last thing at night, I have that TX22 because it's the only gun at my age that I can shoot pain free with one hand, and .22 actually has a nice little crack when you shoot it. It's enough to scare away coyotes and things that might tangle with my baby..
@@nmr6988 I’ve primarily been shooting my S&W Model 617 with a red dot sight. I usually do plate rack drills at 25 yards. I don’t try to be fast, I just try to be accurate. I’ve become a big fan of the 22lr.
@@mikem2132 I like your plan. Right now I could only dream of doing plate rack drills... Where I currently live there are only indoor ranges unless you are very well off. Then you can pay the membership fee to some of the very very nice outdoor ranges. Moving home to Texas in a few months and it's just the opposite. Most ranges are outdoor. I can't wait!
@@nmr6988 I live in Alabama, it’s $160 for an annual membership at my range. I love an outdoor range, it’s so peaceful! It’s not just firearms proficiency, it’s also recreation. Plate rack drills with my Henry Golden Boy that’s just makes me happy.
Really enjoyed the podcast , I'm an older guy and I've never been one to jump on the tactical stuff in EDC mode however it can be a little fun at the range, functional clothing, but my ideal of tacti-cool is a Desert Eagle 50 with comp. But I'm more the eagle setting in a restaurant facing the door pretending I'm blind, never stair , just aware !
There is nothing like the voice of genuine EXPERIENCE! And these gentlemen have it in great abundance. And you just cannot fake real experience. I am glad that I subscribed to Wilson Combat, thank you so much good sirs. This was an excellent video. A Safe, Healthy, Happy, & Very Blessed New Year To Everyone!
Thanks Ken I was feeling kind of low about taking the red dot off of my pistol. I never was that cool anyway. 😆. I hope if wilson is going to come up with aftermarket grips for the p365 they don't forget about the p365xl with manual safety.
Hugely addictive to Mr Ken’s, Mas and Bill’s knowledge and opinion on a whole lot of guns stuff, but never ever heard anything about CZ’s pistol products. Interested why?
Ken Hackathorn is a pot of gold. His knowledge, experience and wisdom are absolutely priceless. When he speaks, shut your damn mouth and listen closely.
I used to do the website for a friend of mine that taught defensive pistol & CCW classes and a couple things killed his business. One was going to permitless carry killed 75% of his business overnight. The next was the internet killing a lot of the small mom & pop gun stores that used to send him business. They were replaced by combo ranges & stores that sent their customers to their own classes. I bought just a .22 rifle at one of these places because they had a unicorn on the shelf that I had been looking for and they threw in a free class. So I took their intro to competition class as they held IDPA and a 2-gun match that I was interested. Class was 1 hour of rules like how to observe the 180, etc. and 3 hours of "you need to buy all this other crap in our store in order to even hope of being good like our sponsored shop employees". It worked. I saw about half the class out in the shop after buying an odd mix of Condor & HSGI stuff because that's what they sold.
GREAT STUFF GENTLEMEN. 👏👏👏. I carry a Wilson Combat 45. I carry the weapon for protection. I think I will stay with the good old iron sights. One other point I’d like to make, who was it that said many years back, “beware of the one gun man”. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK……………..
Most of 'em are stashed in nightstand drawers. They're gonna be filtering into the used like new never fired market like Dirty Harry 44s for years to come.
Good call on bringing up the Laugo Alien. I've wondered for a while if duty guns in this style would be the future, it would (in theory) interface with the red dot trend much better than slide mounted. We'll see.
I appreciate the perspective and point of view. I’m with y’all. I like red dots and optics but on my carry gun I still do iron sights. Also on my AR I have irons and I can still reach out to two hundred with no issues. I don’t see myself having to use it to that range anyway. I just like to hear what you guys think and watch all the episodes. Thanks.
Co-witness sights are fine. (I recommend Dawson). But having to look through the glass is still not as fast as plain open sights. Looking for a red dot that is not there and then having to transition to open sights takes time.
Wilson combat. You are fantastic. Tremendous information. Good for old geezers. Good for people starting out. Pray to God people like you stay the course.
A couple years ago, I bought a Gen5 G19 MOS, put an SRO on it, shot it a few times and heard many people say “you won’t go back to irons” That being said, it’s the only RDS gun in my safe and I have purchased quite a few guns since then, none have a red dot on them. The other argument is “you got a RDS on your rifle, might as well have one in your pistol” or something to that effect. I think that’s wrong in my opinion, rifles are different than handguns, apples/oranges etc. Not bragging, but when it comes to guns, for me, money is no object. So price is not an issue or me. I just don’t “need” a RDS on my carry gun(s) my irons will work fine at 10yrds and in, that’s how I train/practice. The information in this video is real, informative, and priceless in today’s new world of firearms ownership.
Mr Ayoob, Sir, I have followed and benefitted from your knowledge for decades, in printed articles, and now this format. It has been passed to my daughter, and now my grandson, who serves in the US Navy. Both my daughter and myself practice EDC. Mine is a Sig GSR 1911 .45 with two extra mags. You Sir are a wealth of information and knowledge and second only to Col, Jeff Cooper in my hero class. At 71 yrs of age, you still teach me. THANK YOU, Sir!!!
I completely understand your position on gear, Mr. Hackathorn. I was trained with the mindset that you "train with the gear that you use". I do not have a CCW. But if something goes bump in the night, I have all of my gear on one belt.. Holster, mags, light, CS spray, etc.. And I do not have to grab all of my gear. All my gear is on one belt. Thnx.
Love to hear these guys muse about the future, particularly liked their take on the RDOs. I am currently testing two models and find my accuracy improves but it takes a lot of work to get speed-from-draw to a level I already experience with irons at defensive ranges. I also agree with Ken’s thoughts regarding draw speed (which virtually every trainer emphasizes) being way over-sold. I’d love to know what a realistic draw speed is from open and concealed carry…it’s not sub-one second I’m sure.
Way, way oversold. I shoot mine about 5O rounds a week and every few months it comes loose (so I just swap out the battery). As Ken says, great if you don’t mind extra maintenance, and random issues in cold or rain. They are much better on guns like .22s with non reciprocating slides.
I don't necessarily agree all the time but I'm listening and thinking. And THAT is what makes an impact. Well done. Hope to see more in the coming year.👏👏👍👊
I love these guys, that’s where you go when u need the real deal. I started out in the Military, and did a stint with the DOD. I’m happy doing what I’m doing now, teaching DTAC and MMA to other PMC’s. The transition sucked but you gotta jump in with two feet and 𝚃𝙲𝙱‼️
You guys are trying to piss some people off lol! I like my red dots just because i can stay target focused but i still like irons also so it doesn't really matter to me! I will shoot whatever i get handed to me just fine! But i do dry fire a few times and shoot every week around 50 to 100 rounds at the least. Thanks guys for everything you do!
I really love listening to Ken and Bill I bought my CQB and read bills book. No question WC is my top pick and I'm on the hunt for the commander model 9mm WC just can't seam to find one. Thanks guys!!
The biggest advantage I have with a red dot for me is over coming my cross eye dominance problem. I can draw and not have to close one eye to hit a target. With that said I do have non red dot guns. Particularly the beretta 92.
Looking down the road I'm thinking a dot sight plus a mounted flashlight/laser with rechargeable battery that uses the same charging mat as my phone (no cord!). Add a proximity sensor with small LEDs in grips, so at night when a hand gets close to the pistol the LEDs come on (easy to get a grip in the dark). Add a QR code on the side of the pistol for fast phone scan access to the manufacturer electronics and safety manual.
What a great sit down really enjoying listening to you guys. The red dots are definitely taking over me personally dont care to have one on a carry pistol I so want to get one for the g40 10mm to do some up close whitetail hinting wating for that acro p2 /c2 to come out.
Red dots are awesome for dry firing. I don't use them, they're slow, obnoxious, and too much BS to worry about. but they helped me tremendously see what my trigger finger and grip was doing wrong.
Save a few bucks and get the Mantis X system for dry firing. It records and shows even the smallest movement of the gun when you practice dry firing. Great training device for perfecting your trigger pull.
I own several 1911s, honestly and always purchase 5" barrel modes for the velocity increase and original proper look. I love you guys and would love to buy a Wilson combat 1911, but I cannot justify spending over $1000 on a 1911 even at the very end of 2021. I honestly think your guns are very overpriced for the market. I own used Colt and new Springfield 1911s that were around $600, and perform flawless. You guys should focuses of bringing prices down without jeopardizing quality. Even a basic model would be great. Are we building guns or jewelry ? I need something I can carry everyday and if is scratch it it's not big deal, it's a tool. If I were to pay what your asking for a 1911, it would be a safe queen and a investment, and rarely shot. I have a brand new current production Colt competition model that I paid around $900 for 2 years ago and only shot it a couple of times, it's now a safe queen. I want to be very clear you guns are awesome, and I love your content, and eye for quality. Keep it up !
Their quoting 12 to 18 months on order right now. It used to be 4 to 6 months. Needless to say they have plenty of business at their current prices. I don't think Mr Wilson gives a f**k what people can and can't afford.
@@joshtalbot1086 If they start putting Gold and Silver inlay on their 1911s then possibly they will be worth the $2700, I'm a realist and a practical man. Any company that is charging over $1500 for a base model 1911 I would avoid. I'm sure they are very nice, but the are only steel like all the other big companies. I review gun on my channel, I know quality.
You guys are awesome! So much wisdom. I carry irons at work and I carry irons off duty. But for fun I shoot an RDS on my Staccato c2. I think it's important to train with both applications. And I also hate the fact people think its ok to zero( not) their RDS to their front sight. Stop it!
Amen. I have roughly 30 years of combat arms and urban law enforcement experience. I'm tired of the tacti cool dudes with lights and lasers etc... Most people are well served by a J frame in an easily accessible location. Low key.
@@orbeclipse1 I did not. They weren't a thing yet. I retired in 2007. I might have had one if available. Although, I like the idea of having a striking weapon (long flashlight) in my non gun hand when clearing a building. I do not have one on any of my edc guns. Reason? Won't need it when out and about. At home, don't want to reveal my position to a yet to be located suspect. Unlikely, this will happen given my location and dogs anyway.
Love the channel, wish I could afford your goods new. Found a 1996 CQB used. “Hackethorned” the sites, new recoil spring and the lasted WC grips. Runs like a top. Still need a bushing wrench to get it off.
Gentlemen as always you are spot on, I couldn't agree more, very sad Mr. Hackathorn that you wont train anymore I've been hoping and praying I could attend on of your classes, I am old school just like you and Mr. Wilson I'm am also a big Wilson Combat fan I like the Hackathorn Special so much I bought 2 of them, I often make the 5 hour drive to Berryville just to buy a couple of things hoping I'd bump into you or Mr. Wilson, stay safe and God bless you and both your families and staff have a great New Year.
By far my favorite channel! Bill Wilson was extremely wise to bring in Ken Hackathon.
Absolutely !!!!
I'm really starting to like the real talk content from this channel.
Truth
Whenever I listen to these two remarkable men I feel like I sitting on the porch just listening to them! Such an enormous amount of knowledge! To me this is my main gun channel! Plus, I'm an old gun guy myself!
Best to ya',,,,HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Totally agree. These guys have a wealth of knowledge that they define the term “ subject matter expert” wouldn’t you say.
If you look at the odds of you being involved in a defensive shooting and combine that with the statistics regarding rounds needed to stop the threat, you can come to the conclusion that; the caliber, capacity, and brand of gun is far less important than the fact that you do carry a firearm and can deploy and use whatever it is.
Awesome point friend 👌
Truth dart M E!
I think about it regionally: I live in Northern Arizona (rural). A 1911 or revolver would be alright, as far as capacity, in this area. If I lived in an urban area I would want more capacity. Just some ideas...
I also wonder how many people that are successful in a defensive shooting encounter every year are at the range 3 or 4 times a week trying to shave a hundredth of a second off their par time, yet that seems all the rage these days. In the training industry the "old hats" who can"t empty a 15 round magazine at a steel plate in 3 seconds are going by the wayside.
👏👏👏👏👏🍻🇺🇸I agree 100%
LETS GO BRANDON 👏👏👏👏
Thanks for dispensing all the wisdom. Good to hear some gun world veterans have a frank discussion.
I could listen to these fellas all day long, thank you guys
In today's America, the #1 training anyone can get is how best to avoid a confrontation in the first place. Secondary would be how to fight your way AWAY should you fail at #1. I think the trainers who master a course with this philosophy will remain relevant.
Under rated comment. This is spot on. Just ask Kyle Rittenhouse or George Zimmerman.
I totally agree with just walking away. I'm a former LEO and a former manager of a gun shop both I got tired of dealing with meatheads
That was absolutely terrific content, thanks for sharing gents!
Rick
The size of a King James Bible pointed at your junk. That has got to be one of the greatest lines I've ever heard Ken. I love it you're dead on.
Ken, Bill, and Massad are three of my favorites to listen to! A wealth of knowledge between them.
Absolutely feel the same way and agree totally with your comment.
I'm happy that anyone has ANY kind of gun whether it's a revolver or a semi-auto. But for my senior lady hands, it's semi-auto every time all the time.
If you ever get to the point where you have reduced hand strength you might look into the Smith & Wesson EZ series of pistols.
They seem to be a big hit.
Yes, S&W EZ
@@JustDefense , yes, the EZ guns are great. Even young female students who show up to basic pistol class have an EZ 380 or 9 mm with them. I'm sure I'll get to that point someday, but right now my Glock 19 and my Glock 42 still work for me. Just not one handed. For that I would have to switch to my TX22. Not saying it's ideal, but the crack of a 22 long rifle is actually pretty impressive and if I just had one working hand...
@@JustDefense , second comment. It's not racking the slide that is difficult, it's the easier semi-auto trigger pull that I love. I've never been able to fire a revolver with just one finger. I have to use the index finger of both hands to pull those triggers back. So that's a deal breaker along with the limited round count.
@@deejayimm , I agree 100%.
I must be becoming an old timer. I agree with these guys 100%
Agreed completely
You're not the only one.
@@sergionatali3071 I’m right there with you Sergio, feeling older by the day…
I dont agree with all of their conclusions, but I find their old timer perspective very useful.
I have one of the first Sig P320s. It was my first pistol. I tried a few grips with different stippling including the x carry grip. I could not shoot well it. The Wilson Combat Grip is truly a game changer. It seemed tailored for my old hands. This is not a standard P320 grip with some mods. The WC P320 grip is wonderfuly ergonomic. Thank you Wilson Combat for your R&D and a great product.
I have Wilson grips on all my 320's, and I'm very thankful that Wilson has grip models for the M17/M18 with manual safeties... hardly anyone else does. My favorite is the smaller Wilson compact-size grip (reduces the mag capacity by a couple rounds) that I use on my M18. This makes the M18 G19-sized, which is just about perfect. I treat my 320's like a Browning Hi Power, and don't point them loaded with the safety off at my "junk".
Hackathorn is a true gem. I have been a Leo 10 years and worked in gun store for 4 years and he’s 100% right!!!! I love that guy.
I really appreciate the unfiltered, honest commentary by two legends of the industry.
This is the best video and advice I’ve seen in a very long time. A truckload of experience, logic and common sense. Thanks guys.
Amen David.
I gave a thumbs up and haven't watched it yet.
@@itstime5390 you better! 😂
Revolvers may come back in popularity. I have a Ruger SP101 3 inch that I will never sell even though I never carry it. Five shots does not set well with me since the bad guys travel in a pack like wild dogs. I have metal framed and polymer framed hand guns and love them both, polymer is a little easier to carry.
I shoot the lights out with my ruger security six.
I just sold my Glock 23 gen 5 and bought a full sized 1911 with a rail in 45 auto. I bought two Tripp research cobra mags and will be brushing back up on using that system. Metal guns will on gain popularity because of the way they make you feel.
A saber keen, a saddle carbine and a Remington Army 😆
"A saber keen and a saddle carbine and an Army Remington...
Where the hot lead screams and the cold, cold steel let me be a cavalryman."
I don't think revolvers will come back strong unless they find a way to make them cheaper.
With few exceptions, nowadays only cheap revolvers are cheap revolvers if you know what I mean.
When you can pickup a flagship model semi-auto for under $500, it makes the idea of buying a revolver abit salty to alot of people.
I don't think ammo will ever be as cheap as it was but in my area 9x19 is readily available at about $15.00 per box of 50. Great info guys...thanks.
My local store routinely has it for ~$15.99 or so now.
As an old guy just starting to collect some handguns and others firearms, I am in AWE at the knowledge and diversity. Thank you both for sharing and passing your wisdom and experiences to others!
Excellent video and this is coming from a revolver guy 73 years old that starting shooting K frames in 1970.
Damn, I love Hackathorn. In 14 minutes he has succeeded in pissing off the tattoo, muscled up, tacticool operators who insist on "running" a whizbang operator pistol aimed at their cajones so they can go around the corner to get a gallon of milk.
Lol 😂 well the ads must've worked !
Hear hear!
I'm none of those things, but love my appendix holster. 🤷♂️
I love him too and appreciate his perspective. For me I only get to defend my life, and the life of my wife and kids, with what I have on me. We don’t get to choose when evil strikes.
If I’m not printing then I get to choose whatever I want to go get a gallon of milk, which is going to be a bigger gun. And he can carry his 8+1 capacity fancy Commander 1911 on his hip, or a 6 shot revolver.
I will go to my grave supporting his right to do so, even if he doesn’t support mine.
Don’t forget, you must always carry 3 extra fully loaded mags, and a couple of smoke grenades! Lol 😂
Very informative. As a fellow Boomer in my mid 70s I agreed w/everything said here, to include the red dot craze. I don’t have a red dot on any of my guns b/c of the three real world on duty shootings experienced in my 30 yrs.
Still my favorite two grumpy old gun guys! Seriously appreciate the wisdom
Thanks so much for the no BS commentary! But then I’m old. 😆. I shoot RD sights and irons; raised on irons. Marine Corps trained on irons. Ken, your dead on with your comment about the round count to get combat proficient on both. 100 percent. Thanks again for your channel.
Bill and Ken are a huge vat of gun knowledge. Throw LAV in there, and you have three guys who are national treasures. I really appreciated this episode. Great insights. Thank you Mr. Wilson and Mr. Hackathorn.
I love my aiwb and I’m not changing, but I respect Hawthorn’s stance. AIWB seemed a fad for some time, but I really do think it is a good carry position.
So do I.
If anything will teach you great trigger discipline, it’s carrying AIWB. If you mess up it’s your junk/femoral artery on the line.
All jokes aside, I’ve carried at 1 o’clock for 6 years and I think it’s the best for me. Less printing issues, less worrying bending over and showing the gun, and a *lot* smoother draw stroke. It’s not for everyone but it suits me well.
I've only ever carried appendix in the waistband since I started CCWing at 21 about ~6 years ago
I’ve been exclusively shooting 22lr. Recoil management is basically nonexistent, but it still gives me enough trigger time to maintain some proficiency. It’s just too expensive for me to shoot 500 rounds of 9mm these days.
You're part of a great big club right now! I have mostly shot my Taurus TX22 for the last year and a half. Frankly, I love those 16 rounds and they all go in pretty much the same place because of the lack of recoil. When I take my dog out last thing at night, I have that TX22 because it's the only gun at my age that I can shoot pain free with one hand, and .22 actually has a nice little crack when you shoot it. It's enough to scare away coyotes and things that might tangle with my baby..
@@nmr6988 I’ve primarily been shooting my S&W Model 617 with a red dot sight. I usually do plate rack drills at 25 yards. I don’t try to be fast, I just try to be accurate. I’ve become a big fan of the 22lr.
@@mikem2132 I like your plan. Right now I could only dream of doing plate rack drills... Where I currently live there are only indoor ranges unless you are very well off. Then you can pay the membership fee to some of the very very nice outdoor ranges. Moving home to Texas in a few months and it's just the opposite. Most ranges are outdoor. I can't wait!
@@nmr6988 I live in Alabama, it’s $160 for an annual membership at my range. I love an outdoor range, it’s so peaceful!
It’s not just firearms proficiency, it’s also recreation. Plate rack drills with my Henry Golden Boy that’s just makes me happy.
@@mikem2132 try $1,000 per year for outdoor in GA and $450 pet year for an indoor range. It's terrible.
Great discussion and I so enjoy listening to honesty. Thanks to you two for this wonderful video
Really enjoyed the podcast , I'm an older guy and I've never been one to jump on the tactical stuff in EDC mode however it can be a little fun at the range, functional clothing, but my ideal of tacti-cool is a Desert Eagle 50 with comp. But I'm more the eagle setting in a restaurant facing the door pretending I'm blind, never stair , just aware !
There is nothing like the voice of genuine EXPERIENCE! And these gentlemen have it in great abundance. And you just cannot fake real experience.
I am glad that I subscribed to Wilson Combat, thank you so much good sirs. This was an excellent video. A Safe, Healthy, Happy, & Very Blessed New Year To Everyone!
Thank you. We are glad you subscribed too!
I always learn a lot from you videos.Hope you and yours had a wonderful holiday.
Same to you!
Happy New Year. Keep the content coming, I look forward to each new episode.
Thanks Ken I was feeling kind of low about taking the red dot off of my pistol. I never was that cool anyway. 😆. I hope if wilson is going to come up with aftermarket grips for the p365 they don't forget about the p365xl with manual safety.
Happy New Year Bill and Ken!!! Another great episode.
Thank you gentlemen. This was one of the most interesting and informative things I've seen on YT in a long time. Thoroughly, enjoyed.
Hugely addictive to Mr Ken’s, Mas and Bill’s knowledge and opinion on a whole lot of guns stuff, but never ever heard anything about CZ’s pistol products. Interested why?
Ken Hackathorn is a pot of gold. His knowledge, experience and wisdom are absolutely priceless. When he speaks, shut your damn mouth and listen closely.
Moving laterally with an optic on your pistol was such a good point
I used to do the website for a friend of mine that taught defensive pistol & CCW classes and a couple things killed his business. One was going to permitless carry killed 75% of his business overnight. The next was the internet killing a lot of the small mom & pop gun stores that used to send him business. They were replaced by combo ranges & stores that sent their customers to their own classes. I bought just a .22 rifle at one of these places because they had a unicorn on the shelf that I had been looking for and they threw in a free class. So I took their intro to competition class as they held IDPA and a 2-gun match that I was interested. Class was 1 hour of rules like how to observe the 180, etc. and 3 hours of "you need to buy all this other crap in our store in order to even hope of being good like our sponsored shop employees". It worked. I saw about half the class out in the shop after buying an odd mix of Condor & HSGI stuff because that's what they sold.
Spare mags prob the most important accessory
If you have a rail it can't hurt to but a light on it. Need to see a threat to identify it as a threat.
GREAT STUFF GENTLEMEN. 👏👏👏. I carry a Wilson Combat 45. I carry the weapon for protection. I think I will stay with the good old iron sights. One other point I’d like to make, who was it that said many years back, “beware of the one gun man”. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK……………..
I look up to these guys bigtime. Ken's outlook is so badass, neat to see how many trends he's seen come and go jus
I hope the current high ammo costs don't drive away the new gun owners we've supposedly picked up these last few years.
Most of 'em are stashed in nightstand drawers. They're gonna be filtering into the used like new never fired market like Dirty Harry 44s for years to come.
Good call on bringing up the Laugo Alien. I've wondered for a while if duty guns in this style would be the future, it would (in theory) interface with the red dot trend much better than slide mounted. We'll see.
I appreciate the perspective and point of view. I’m with y’all. I like red dots and optics but on my carry gun I still do iron sights. Also on my AR I have irons and I can still reach out to two hundred with no issues. I don’t see myself having to use it to that range anyway. I just like to hear what you guys think and watch all the episodes. Thanks.
Every pistol I own has a red dot except for my EDC. I won't trust my life with something that needs a battery.
@@kellywalker8407 Red dot pistols have iron sights.
Co-witness sights are fine. (I recommend Dawson). But having to look through the glass is still not as fast as plain open sights.
Looking for a red dot that is not there and then having to transition to open sights takes time.
Great interview with two legends and no BS guys
Wilson combat. You are fantastic. Tremendous information. Good for old geezers. Good for people starting out. Pray to God people like you stay the course.
Knowledge and wisdom, the batteries never run down on that. Good information from good men.
No doubt
Amazing. Very very good. Happy New Year folks. Cheers
A couple years ago, I bought a Gen5 G19 MOS, put an SRO on it, shot it a few times and heard many people say “you won’t go back to irons” That being said, it’s the only RDS gun in my safe and I have purchased quite a few guns since then, none have a red dot on them. The other argument is “you got a RDS on your rifle, might as well have one in your pistol” or something to that effect. I think that’s wrong in my opinion, rifles are different than handguns, apples/oranges etc. Not bragging, but when it comes to guns, for me, money is no object. So price is not an issue or me. I just don’t “need” a RDS on my carry gun(s) my irons will work fine at 10yrds and in, that’s how I train/practice.
The information in this video is real, informative, and priceless in today’s new world of firearms ownership.
could listen to Bill tell stories all day,,more Bill!
We have all of those . Revolvers , 9s steel and polymers we have a bunch of 1911s big and small . I like um all .
You guys are Terrific!!!
I really like how they just tell it how it is , unlike most who are always pouring sugar coated diarrhea on everything
I tried to do that im my comment at look at the feedback comments. lol
Mr Ayoob, Sir, I have followed and benefitted from your knowledge for decades, in printed articles, and now this format. It has been passed to my daughter, and now my grandson, who serves in the US Navy. Both my daughter and myself practice EDC. Mine is a Sig GSR 1911 .45 with two extra mags. You Sir are a wealth of information and knowledge and second only to Col, Jeff Cooper in my hero class. At 71 yrs of age, you still teach me. THANK YOU, Sir!!!
Thank you Gents for yet another excellent video. Happy New Year.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom , Good Stuff !!
Great conversation!
Thank you Ken & Bill!
Happy New Year 2022!
Same to you!
I completely understand your position on gear, Mr. Hackathorn. I was trained with the mindset that you "train with the gear that you use". I do not have a CCW. But if something goes bump in the night, I have all of my gear on one belt.. Holster, mags, light, CS spray, etc.. And I do not have to grab all of my gear. All my gear is on one belt. Thnx.
Great stuff guys. Happy New Year!
Love to hear these guys muse about the future, particularly liked their take on the RDOs. I am currently testing two models and find my accuracy improves but it takes a lot of work to get speed-from-draw to a level I already experience with irons at defensive ranges. I also agree with Ken’s thoughts regarding draw speed (which virtually every trainer emphasizes) being way over-sold. I’d love to know what a realistic draw speed is from open and concealed carry…it’s not sub-one second I’m sure.
Way, way oversold. I shoot mine about 5O rounds a week and every few months it comes loose (so I just swap out the battery). As Ken says, great if you don’t mind extra maintenance, and random issues in cold or rain. They are much better on guns like .22s with non reciprocating slides.
I don't necessarily agree all the time but I'm listening and thinking. And THAT is what makes an impact. Well done. Hope to see more in the coming year.👏👏👍👊
Man!!! Another excellent drop the mic posting. Outstanding discussion.
Love these conversations. True understanding. Conversation also relates to other field such as the trades industry.
One of the most revealing interviews Ive ever seen Ken Do ! Thanks Guys...Happy New Year Bill and Ken.Trends: Hi-Power
Excellent and informative discussion (as usual) gentlemen. Thank you.
Outstanding video and presentation
Thank you very much!
The Dan Wesson ECO 3.5" in 9mm is ~ 27oz and carries very nicely.
I love these guys, that’s where you go when u need the real deal. I started out in the Military, and did a stint with the DOD. I’m happy doing what I’m doing now, teaching DTAC and MMA to other PMC’s. The transition sucked but you gotta jump in with two feet and 𝚃𝙲𝙱‼️
You guys are trying to piss some people off lol! I like my red dots just because i can stay target focused but i still like irons also so it doesn't really matter to me! I will shoot whatever i get handed to me just fine! But i do dry fire a few times and shoot every week around 50 to 100 rounds at the least. Thanks guys for everything you do!
@Jake Grimes night sights are worthless
Great video as usual. I agree with everything that was said by you icons of the shooting sports! Wow!
Blackwater Fever.... Thank you Ken , I've had that conversation without the title.
Great show, I loved it. Keep this knowledge coming.
Great info and insights, thanks for making these videos.
I really love listening to Ken and Bill I bought my CQB and read bills book.
No question WC is my top pick and I'm on the hunt for the commander model 9mm WC just can't seam to find one.
Thanks guys!!
Thanks much gentlemen. Great talk. Enjoyed it
Thanks for listening
You are exactly right. Great guitar players do not always mean that they are great guitar teachers. Your observations are dead on.
Informative video, great insight as always. Would like to hear your thoughts on barrel porting and chunk porting which seems to be a current trend.
I could listen to another 30 minutes of these guy.
These guys laid the foundation of what we enjoy today...old school , iron sights , train how you carry...could out the Caniks from Turkey
There are times when I really wish I could do multiple thumbs up. This is one of those times. Thanks for the wisdom gentlemen.
Glad you enjoyed it
The biggest advantage I have with a red dot for me is over coming my cross eye dominance problem. I can draw and not have to close one eye to hit a target. With that said I do have non red dot guns. Particularly the beretta 92.
Bill! Thank you for the grip module! Best!
Looking down the road I'm thinking a dot sight plus a mounted flashlight/laser with rechargeable battery that uses the same charging mat as my phone (no cord!). Add a proximity sensor with small LEDs in grips, so at night when a hand gets close to the pistol the LEDs come on (easy to get a grip in the dark). Add a QR code on the side of the pistol for fast phone scan access to the manufacturer electronics and safety manual.
Love your videos your knowledge and experience is a joy to listen to.
Keep doing what your doing.
More to come!
Loving the village elders content. We need to record as much as possible before they are gone
Always Great Content. Happy New Year Gentlemen.
You guys did an amazing job covering so much of today's recent splashes in the gun world!
What a great sit down really enjoying listening to you guys. The red dots are definitely taking over me personally dont care to have one on a carry pistol I so want to get one for the g40 10mm to do some up close whitetail hinting wating for that acro p2 /c2 to come out.
Thank you again and happy new year
Red dots are awesome for dry firing. I don't use them, they're slow, obnoxious, and too much BS to worry about. but they helped me tremendously see what my trigger finger and grip was doing wrong.
Save a few bucks and get the Mantis X system for dry firing. It records and shows even the smallest movement of the gun when you practice dry firing. Great training device for perfecting your trigger pull.
Best dry fire/trigger control tool there is. Great point!
I own several 1911s, honestly and always purchase 5" barrel modes for the velocity increase and original proper look. I love you guys and would love to buy a Wilson combat 1911, but I cannot justify spending over $1000 on a 1911 even at the very end of 2021. I honestly think your guns are very overpriced for the market. I own used Colt and new Springfield 1911s that were around $600, and perform flawless. You guys should focuses of bringing prices down without jeopardizing quality. Even a basic model would be great. Are we building guns or jewelry ? I need something I can carry everyday and if is scratch it it's not big deal, it's a tool. If I were to pay what your asking for a 1911, it would be a safe queen and a investment, and rarely shot. I have a brand new current production Colt competition model that I paid around $900 for 2 years ago and only shot it a couple of times, it's now a safe queen. I want to be very clear you guns are awesome, and I love your content, and eye for quality. Keep it up !
You’re on the wrong channel
Their quoting 12 to 18 months on order right now. It used to be 4 to 6 months. Needless to say they have plenty of business at their current prices. I don't think Mr Wilson gives a f**k what people can and can't afford.
Wilson's are art. They are worth the money and a decent value compared to other high end 1911's
@@joshtalbot1086 If they start putting Gold and Silver inlay on their 1911s then possibly they will be worth the $2700, I'm a realist and a practical man. Any company that is charging over $1500 for a base model 1911 I would avoid. I'm sure they are very nice, but the are only steel like all the other big companies. I review gun on my channel, I know quality.
@@andrewbates6840 good for them, that doesn't somehow make their handguns $1,500 better than the next high-end model. It's a niche.
You guys are awesome! So much wisdom. I carry irons at work and I carry irons off duty. But for fun I shoot an RDS on my Staccato c2. I think it's important to train with both applications. And I also hate the fact people think its ok to zero( not) their RDS to their front sight. Stop it!
Are you talking about cowitnessing your irons to your dot?
Great video. Keep up the great work.
Amen. I have roughly 30 years of combat arms and urban law enforcement experience. I'm tired of the tacti cool dudes with lights and lasers etc... Most people are well served by a J frame in an easily accessible location. Low key.
Do you have a light on your duty weapon?
@@orbeclipse1 I did not. They weren't a thing yet. I retired in 2007. I might have had one if available. Although, I like the idea of having a striking weapon (long flashlight) in my non gun hand when clearing a building. I do not have one on any of my edc guns. Reason? Won't need it when out and about. At home, don't want to reveal my position to a yet to be located suspect. Unlikely, this will happen given my location and dogs anyway.
Serving it straight and neat with no chaser. Thanks Mr. Hathathorn
The wilson grip module is a game changer!
That good huh? Was considering “building” a 320. Going to check out WC grip for,sure!
This is experience, shared with us. Thank you, gentlemen. Priceless in my assessment. I appreciate your work shared.
Love the channel, wish I could afford your goods new. Found a 1996 CQB used. “Hackethorned” the sites, new recoil spring and the lasted WC grips. Runs like a top. Still need a bushing wrench to get it off.
Gentlemen as always you are spot on, I couldn't agree more, very sad Mr. Hackathorn that you wont train anymore I've been hoping and praying I could attend on of your classes, I am old school just like you and Mr. Wilson I'm am also a big Wilson Combat fan I like the Hackathorn Special so much I bought 2 of them, I often make the 5 hour drive to Berryville just to buy a couple of things hoping I'd bump into you or Mr. Wilson, stay safe and God bless you and both your families and staff have a great New Year.