If you're having trouble with all this info in video form, then here's a written guide by @ColdCHAOS1 forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4039948 If you REALLY want an explanation for the Holy Candle "glitch", here you go: ruclips.net/video/hd73StLjHqQ/видео.html 4:06 UPDATE: I appear to have been right, possession done to Eileen via damage appears to work just like how possession done to Eileen via leaving her alone works. So the longer Eileen goes without taking damage, and the more room transitions you do without leaving Eileen alone, then the more she can get hit without getting possessed. Eileen can literally fall to her knees from getting hit too many times without actually getting possessed if you've built up her immunity enough. The simplest way I've found to comprehend this is to think of Eileen as a sponge that soaks up energy when around Henry. This energy fuels an invisible damage shield around her. But this energy gets sapped away when away from Henry, thus depleting her shield! Some bonus info- The submachine gun doesn't damage Eileen on All-Weapons Mode. Also, the submachine-gun won't actually effect how fast Eileen walks towards the death pit at the end (even though she'll look possessed). One more thing, if you unequip the submachine Gun, the possession it did to Eileen will be reversed. Such a weird weapon. UPDATE: If Eileen is too far compromised, door transitions will stop healing her. So if you leave her alone for too long, door transitions just won't work anymore. It is possible to heal Eileen from max possession (that would take forever) but doing so will be impossible if you kept leaving her alone. Also, keeping Eileen with you for extended periods will stagnate possession that happens upon her. So remember how I said max possession was 1.0? Well it's possible to make the max amount Eileen will hit to be 0.65 if you stay with her. I'm unsure how long you need to stay with her or how many room transitions it will take, but I'm guessing it's RNG and somewhere between 50-60 room transitions (pulled this number out of my ass). So, contrary to popular belief, leaving Eileen in the center of Forest World is a horrible idea. Also- ruclips.net/video/LWFt-6SOTyg/видео.html Found a video of someone healing Eileen using door transitions :0
I was going for a Hard difficulty escape ending and Eileein went from healthy to possessed in a second once a ghost got nearby. Didn't know it was a fake out so I stopped protecting her and screwed up the run. Thanks for the tip in the description too. So much false info we had for years now...
I just want to say that this guide was sent from the heavens, and you are the absolute MVP for figuring this stuff out. On my last playthrough, Eileen was very "possessed" (she started asking about mommy and daddy, and walked with a limp). I thought my playthrough was over. Then I found this video and decided to try the "door transition heal" stuff. And holy shit, it WORKED. Not only Eileen's curse marks began fading, but the childish talk stopped and now she began walking normally. Yes, it took MANY door transitions, but I managed to get the good ending. It also helps if you are playing on en emulator since you can speed up the game, and thus do many door transitions in a very short (real life) time. I was a firm believer in the "candle" method until now. Thank you so much for this!
You are very lucky! If Eileen is too far gone, door transitions will cease to heal her. Which means you probably started healing her just in time ;) I'm glad the video was helpful^^
@@RuminInLove Yeah, I was in the Building World Part 2, and Eileen was limping, doing her baby talk (the whole "where's daddy" thing) and I was just about to face The One Truth. So I went back to the safe room and used the emulator to speed up the game. I entered and exited the door quite a lot of times, and eventually Eileen's curse marks began fading a little bit, she also began to walk normally and the baby talk stopped altogether. On the final boss, I just barely made it before Eileen went into the death sphere. Thanks again for the video, it helped me to get rid of false techniques like the candle one!
This is so useful omg. Been wondering for years what the games exact rules are on this, but I think a big part of it is the ambiguity. They want you to feel anxiety and worry because you DONT know the rules. But this eases my anxiety. It’s a lot more lenient than I thought it was.
To cure Eileen permanently just enter and exit a door continuously, the recommended world is in the Room of the past because the loading times are very short, if she is very possessed just make 300 transactions from the same door, I know it's boring but it's the only way to heal her permanently.
That's great advice for players in a rut. Another thing is to reenter the room you get Eileen from in Hospital World over and over again to build up her immunity so she can buffer damage if she happens to get it.
Finally, I've found the TRUE EILEEN GUIDE. I was able to pass all scenarios of the game without Eileen getting possessed (I even didn't know this was possible). I had to rewatch 300 times to understand this complex mechanics. Happy to know there is still news useful stuffs and discovery about SH4 after so many years. Thanks!
This is a phenomenal guide clearing up a lot of confusion and misinformation built up over the many years of this game's existence (unclear information was supposedly intentional from the developers for more unease, but yeah). Currently watching Vinny's playthrough of the game and this vid could help a lot I think.
I guarantee you he's gonna look at a 10 minute guide on how to take care of Eileen and go "oooohhhh gooooood" haha. I'm glad you found it a good guide though.
So, TL;DR the only way to heal Elieen is spamming door transitions when she isn't hit in said rooms, which also gives her hit threshold damage value. Loading screen medic meta confirmed.
New Water-Prison Twin Victim room meta: Spam door transitions with Eileen beforehand, making her practically invincible, then make a b-line dash towards the exit past the twin victims 🏃♂️ 🏃♀️
Really appreciate you making this video bro Seriously it sucks that it took this long for someone to break this down like this. Maybe someone has before but I don't think I've ever seen anyone break it down like this. This crazy science they used😂 I don't know what Team Silent was thinking when they came up with this Eileen possession system...
Wow! Thanks for demystifying all of this! Now Silent Hill 4 will seem a lot less tedious. PS: This feels almost like a guide on how to be a bad boyfriend but still be in a relationship. lol
"alright sweetie we need to stand in this room for like 40 minutes to build up your immunity and we also have to do a couple hundred door transitions to clear some of that curse ♥️"
@@RuminInLove If I don't go on a date with her for 5 days, that will drop the relationship meter by 0.05. But chocolates are very powerful, and increase the meter by 0.1. However, if she is near the guy she tells me not to worry about, all the positive effects from items are halved. Wait. I just invented dating sims.
I don't usually look for guides, but i'm new in this game, and taking care of her is kinda confusing to be honest xD Thank You so much for this guide, I learned a lot. Since any method to heal her is permanent, and since door transitions are not really that worth it once you reach the water prision, so the best method to avoid her to get possesed is actually taking care of her, right? xD
I'm guessing "any method to heal her is permanent" is a typo since door transitions are the only permanent way to heal her. Either way, the answer is yes. The best method to save Eileen is to stay with her as long as possible and have her go as long as she can without taking damage- this will build up her immunity, allowing her to be left alone for longer periods of time, as well as allowing her to take more damage without getting possessed.
What Eileen needs instead of guides is a remaster that patches her possession for hard difficulty to something not rage inducing. Never managed to save her on hard because giving a shit about her is just so frustrating.
One small detail worth mentioning - each location (e.g. water prison) has a threshold of maximum heal Eileen can receive from door transitions. This threshold is getting smaller near end of the game.
This is definitely good to know for my 10 star run in SH4. I'm pretty sure why she got so possessed in my last run is because I left her alone for the entire forest area 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣... And probably all those times where I transitioned too soon when she was 1 foot too far away, and she didn't follow me through the door when I was running from monsters... I like Mariah as a follower more!! 🤣😂🤣😂
I thought Eileen was really annoying I left her when there were a lot of enemies I thought the candles were a game mechanic I used all my holy candles on Eileen xD because she stopped hitting herself and babling non-sense
I made a macro using DS4Windows and left Henry to open doors all night. Here are the features I was able to discover in the morning (for the high difficulty level): 1. Healing Eileen using the doors is possible. 2. Completely healing Eileen is not possible. 3. The sound of a dying monster is not a victory! Comments: 1. But here it's probably better to use macros to enter and exit the room and control them for a while, especially if you write them using DS4Windows. I used room 106 at the end of the game to shorten the time to get in and out of the room, it has the least amount of loading time compared to the others I tested (not all of them) 2. But the health level is enough to ensure that Eileen doesn't die in the final battle. However, the final battle should be run almost perfectly. I spent about 6 full pickaxe charges and got shot about 1-3 times. One pickaxe miss and the battle has to start again. Tested late game before picking up the umbilical cord (Henry will walk alone after that). Perhaps early in the game Eileen can be healed completely. 3. If Eileen dies between after killing the monster and before the video starts, it will count as a loss.
In my last playing Eileen was 100% possessed when I went to silent hill jungle. I wanted making her to read what was written in stones by blood. But she did not read them! Wonder why
Eileen was possessed as hell for me and i did this transition trick in the room to pick up umbilical cord and it worked. Just saved me off doing another sh4 run. Thx Ps: It seems that i was below a threshold limit that prevents u from "healing" her, but in any case still worth to try.
I don't understand. I had Eileen fully possessed and I used holy candles on her and at the last boss she was completely fine and moving very slowly towards death.
@OliverNorth-b5q I should have mentioned this in the video, but you can only tell how possessed she is once you beat Subway World 2nd Time. After the level she'll show her true possession state, and the more she pulsates red the more possessed she is. If she starts reciting ritualistic text she's around 60-80% possessed. If she starts spazzing and giving off ghost auras, she's over 80% and there's no going back. You can tell she's at full possession if her standing posture is slouching like an emo person. The final three timestamps in this video in the description of this video- ruclips.net/video/gthlpPQvP5M/видео.htmlsi=11sD9Np12aXNpm-0 - shows that she does and how she looks when slightly, moderately, and extremely cursed.
@rumininlove, it is a legitimate question I think though, because even though he attacked her, that he gives her the mother reborn title, and that he has good memories of her along with that, and that he is fond of her, one might wonder about that
You can go in the same door over and over again. It also builds up her immunity, so going in the same door over and over again is a good way to prevent Eileen from taking physical damage later.
The "door trick" works on all difficulties. There doesn't need to be any enemies in the room for her to be healed. Any door transition will heal her as long as she doesn't take damage in the previous room from Henry or enemies.
That's not how that works. The Submachine Gun will cause Eileen to appear possessed whether or not she kills things with it, but the possession is only visual and not real (she won't walk faster at the end).
Thank you so much this helped a lot yet again.And i got the escape and death ending still need the last one.Anyway for the ones who wants those ending,there is a skip you can where you can skip collecting the 4 things (ball ,cat,...)in the 2nd time you visit the building world with her. This skips literally skips all of it and would Guarantee the safety of eileen and of course saving alot of time. And it work on pc and ps2 just a quick. ruclips.net/video/kT2_42TJwlE/видео.html Thats the skip.I hope this helps.
If you're having trouble with all this info in video form, then here's a written guide by @ColdCHAOS1 forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4039948
If you REALLY want an explanation for the Holy Candle "glitch", here you go: ruclips.net/video/hd73StLjHqQ/видео.html
4:06 UPDATE: I appear to have been right, possession done to Eileen via damage appears to work just like how possession done to Eileen via leaving her alone works.
So the longer Eileen goes without taking damage, and the more room transitions you do without leaving Eileen alone, then the more she can get hit without getting possessed. Eileen can literally fall to her knees from getting hit too many times without actually getting possessed if you've built up her immunity enough. The simplest way I've found to comprehend this is to think of Eileen as a sponge that soaks up energy when around Henry. This energy fuels an invisible damage shield around her. But this energy gets sapped away when away from Henry, thus depleting her shield!
Some bonus info- The submachine gun doesn't damage Eileen on All-Weapons Mode. Also, the submachine-gun won't actually effect how fast Eileen walks towards the death pit at the end (even though she'll look possessed). One more thing, if you unequip the submachine Gun, the possession it did to Eileen will be reversed.
Such a weird weapon.
UPDATE: If Eileen is too far compromised, door transitions will stop healing her. So if you leave her alone for too long, door transitions just won't work anymore. It is possible to heal Eileen from max possession (that would take forever) but doing so will be impossible if you kept leaving her alone. Also, keeping Eileen with you for extended periods will stagnate possession that happens upon her. So remember how I said max possession was 1.0? Well it's possible to make the max amount Eileen will hit to be 0.65 if you stay with her. I'm unsure how long you need to stay with her or how many room transitions it will take, but I'm guessing it's RNG and somewhere between 50-60 room transitions (pulled this number out of my ass).
So, contrary to popular belief, leaving Eileen in the center of Forest World is a horrible idea.
Also- ruclips.net/video/LWFt-6SOTyg/видео.html Found a video of someone healing Eileen using door transitions :0
No me había dado cuenta que habías compartido mi vídeo.
Just what the competitive Sh4 scene needed.
Lmao 🤣
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@@korsoupp6450sh4 in the EVO 😂😂
I was going for a Hard difficulty escape ending and Eileein went from healthy to possessed in a second once a ghost got nearby. Didn't know it was a fake out so I stopped protecting her and screwed up the run. Thanks for the tip in the description too. So much false info we had for years now...
I just want to say that this guide was sent from the heavens, and you are the absolute MVP for figuring this stuff out. On my last playthrough, Eileen was very "possessed" (she started asking about mommy and daddy, and walked with a limp). I thought my playthrough was over. Then I found this video and decided to try the "door transition heal" stuff. And holy shit, it WORKED. Not only Eileen's curse marks began fading, but the childish talk stopped and now she began walking normally. Yes, it took MANY door transitions, but I managed to get the good ending.
It also helps if you are playing on en emulator since you can speed up the game, and thus do many door transitions in a very short (real life) time. I was a firm believer in the "candle" method until now. Thank you so much for this!
You are very lucky! If Eileen is too far gone, door transitions will cease to heal her. Which means you probably started healing her just in time ;) I'm glad the video was helpful^^
@@RuminInLove Yeah, I was in the Building World Part 2, and Eileen was limping, doing her baby talk (the whole "where's daddy" thing) and I was just about to face The One Truth. So I went back to the safe room and used the emulator to speed up the game. I entered and exited the door quite a lot of times, and eventually Eileen's curse marks began fading a little bit, she also began to walk normally and the baby talk stopped altogether.
On the final boss, I just barely made it before Eileen went into the death sphere. Thanks again for the video, it helped me to get rid of false techniques like the candle one!
This is so useful omg. Been wondering for years what the games exact rules are on this, but I think a big part of it is the ambiguity. They want you to feel anxiety and worry because you DONT know the rules. But this eases my anxiety. It’s a lot more lenient than I thought it was.
To cure Eileen permanently just enter and exit a door continuously, the recommended world is in the Room of the past because the loading times are very short, if she is very possessed just make 300 transactions from the same door, I know it's boring but it's the only way to heal her permanently.
That's great advice for players in a rut. Another thing is to reenter the room you get Eileen from in Hospital World over and over again to build up her immunity so she can buffer damage if she happens to get it.
Finally, I've found the TRUE EILEEN GUIDE. I was able to pass all scenarios of the game without Eileen getting possessed (I even didn't know this was possible). I had to rewatch 300 times to understand this complex mechanics. Happy to know there is still news useful stuffs and discovery about SH4 after so many years. Thanks!
This is a phenomenal guide clearing up a lot of confusion and misinformation built up over the many years of this game's existence (unclear information was supposedly intentional from the developers for more unease, but yeah). Currently watching Vinny's playthrough of the game and this vid could help a lot I think.
I guarantee you he's gonna look at a 10 minute guide on how to take care of Eileen and go "oooohhhh gooooood" haha. I'm glad you found it a good guide though.
So, TL;DR the only way to heal Elieen is spamming door transitions when she isn't hit in said rooms, which also gives her hit threshold damage value.
Loading screen medic meta confirmed.
New Water-Prison Twin Victim room meta: Spam door transitions with Eileen beforehand, making her practically invincible, then make a b-line dash towards the exit past the twin victims 🏃♂️ 🏃♀️
Really appreciate you making this video bro Seriously it sucks that it took this long for someone to break this down like this. Maybe someone has before but I don't think I've ever seen anyone break it down like this. This crazy science they used😂 I don't know what Team Silent was thinking when they came up with this Eileen possession system...
Amazing video thank you! Currently in my 2nd playthrough.
I have been thinking about something like this for YEARS. Thank you.
Wow! Thanks for demystifying all of this! Now Silent Hill 4 will seem a lot less tedious.
PS: This feels almost like a guide on how to be a bad boyfriend but still be in a relationship. lol
"alright sweetie we need to stand in this room for like 40 minutes to build up your immunity and we also have to do a couple hundred door transitions to clear some of that curse ♥️"
@@RuminInLove If I don't go on a date with her for 5 days, that will drop the relationship meter by 0.05. But chocolates are very powerful, and increase the meter by 0.1. However, if she is near the guy she tells me not to worry about, all the positive effects from items are halved. Wait. I just invented dating sims.
Lol at caveymoth!😂
@@sandeefitch5710 =P
Listening to this guide gave me flash backs to breath of fire dragon quarter and the dragon meter... kinda a cool mechanic
your guide was top tier man, neat video
I don't usually look for guides, but i'm new in this game, and taking care of her is kinda confusing to be honest xD
Thank You so much for this guide, I learned a lot.
Since any method to heal her is permanent, and since door transitions are not really that worth it once you reach the water prision, so the best method to avoid her to get possesed is actually taking care of her, right? xD
I'm guessing "any method to heal her is permanent" is a typo since door transitions are the only permanent way to heal her. Either way, the answer is yes. The best method to save Eileen is to stay with her as long as possible and have her go as long as she can without taking damage- this will build up her immunity, allowing her to be left alone for longer periods of time, as well as allowing her to take more damage without getting possessed.
What Eileen needs instead of guides is a remaster that patches her possession for hard difficulty to something not rage inducing. Never managed to save her on hard because giving a shit about her is just so frustrating.
One small detail worth mentioning - each location (e.g. water prison) has a threshold of maximum heal Eileen can receive from door transitions. This threshold is getting smaller near end of the game.
Are you sure about that?
thanks for making a video of this masterpiece! i really enjoyed it. you got a new subscriber :)
This is an awesome guide! Have you been all these years? I wish I had your tips many years ago. But even for today this is pretty awesome! Thanks!
Thank, I've been playing for a while now :)
This is definitely good to know for my 10 star run in SH4. I'm pretty sure why she got so possessed in my last run is because I left her alone for the entire forest area 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣... And probably all those times where I transitioned too soon when she was 1 foot too far away, and she didn't follow me through the door when I was running from monsters... I like Mariah as a follower more!! 🤣😂🤣😂
god thank you for this video
i’m playing this game for the first time and managing her is a lot of anxiety for me 😅
I thought Eileen was really annoying I left her when there were a lot of enemies
I thought the candles were a game mechanic I used all my holy candles on Eileen xD
because she stopped hitting herself and babling non-sense
I made a macro using DS4Windows and left Henry to open doors all night. Here are the features I was able to discover in the morning (for the high difficulty level):
1. Healing Eileen using the doors is possible.
2. Completely healing Eileen is not possible.
3. The sound of a dying monster is not a victory!
Comments:
1. But here it's probably better to use macros to enter and exit the room and control them for a while, especially if you write them using DS4Windows. I used room 106 at the end of the game to shorten the time to get in and out of the room, it has the least amount of loading time compared to the others I tested (not all of them)
2. But the health level is enough to ensure that Eileen doesn't die in the final battle. However, the final battle should be run almost perfectly. I spent about 6 full pickaxe charges and got shot about 1-3 times. One pickaxe miss and the battle has to start again.
Tested late game before picking up the umbilical cord (Henry will walk alone after that). Perhaps early in the game Eileen can be healed completely.
3. If Eileen dies between after killing the monster and before the video starts, it will count as a loss.
Healing Eileen fully is possible, it's just not always possible if she's too far compromised; read pin comment.
Appreciate the knowledge
Commenting again to feed the video
Thanks a lot!
You're welcome :)
In my last playing
Eileen was 100% possessed when I went to silent hill jungle. I wanted making her to read what was written in stones by blood. But she did not read them! Wonder why
Strange... She should read them if you just stand next to them 🤔
Very useful stuff! I am curious to know how this research is conducted. I assume memory data is read during gameplay.
Looking at memory addresses, it's a tedious process since the address for Eileen's possession level changes with every room you leave and enter.
@@RuminInLove
Weird, I'd expect that address to stay put throughout gameplay... Thanks, this stuff is a big help!
Eileen was possessed as hell for me and i did this transition trick in the room to pick up umbilical cord and it worked. Just saved me off doing another sh4 run. Thx
Ps: It seems that i was below a threshold limit that prevents u from "healing" her, but in any case still worth to try.
can you make a vid showing guaranteed safe areas for eileen?
There are no guaranteed safe areas.
Hey rumin. What if Eileen was a little possessed?
What do I do to cure her?
5:43
I don't understand. I had Eileen fully possessed and I used holy candles on her and at the last boss she was completely fine and moving very slowly towards death.
Have you been wearing Saint Medallions around ghosts or using the unlimited submachine gun?
I used a holly candle too right before the boss fight but she again started getting possessed.
This holy candle thing doesn't work at least for me in ps2.
Maybe I shouldn't be asking this. Is there a way to tell how much possessed she is?
@OliverNorth-b5q I should have mentioned this in the video, but you can only tell how possessed she is once you beat Subway World 2nd Time. After the level she'll show her true possession state, and the more she pulsates red the more possessed she is. If she starts reciting ritualistic text she's around 60-80% possessed. If she starts spazzing and giving off ghost auras, she's over 80% and there's no going back.
You can tell she's at full possession if her standing posture is slouching like an emo person. The final three timestamps in this video in the description of this video- ruclips.net/video/gthlpPQvP5M/видео.htmlsi=11sD9Np12aXNpm-0 - shows that she does and how she looks when slightly, moderately, and extremely cursed.
Does a room cleared of monsters make the room the same as a room that never had monsters to begin with?
Yes.
@@RuminInLove sweet!
Does Walter counts as a monster?
Why wouldn't he?
@rumininlove, it is a legitimate question I think though, because even though he attacked her, that he gives her the mother reborn title, and that he has good memories of her along with that, and that he is fond of her, one might wonder about that
can you go far away in the same room she is in?
Are you asking if that effects her possession? The answer is no.
Is each door in the game a one time thing, or can you go through the same door over and over with the same healing effect?
You can go in the same door over and over again. It also builds up her immunity, so going in the same door over and over again is a good way to prevent Eileen from taking physical damage later.
@@RuminInLove Roger that, Son! Keep up the good work and thanks for being so prompt!
Does the door trick work on hard difficulty? Should there be an enemy in the room?
The "door trick" works on all difficulties. There doesn't need to be any enemies in the room for her to be healed. Any door transition will heal her as long as she doesn't take damage in the previous room from Henry or enemies.
i played this game more than 10 yr ago, but i remember that if you let eillen kill a lot of monsters with her smg she is possessed quickly
That's not how that works. The Submachine Gun will cause Eileen to appear possessed whether or not she kills things with it, but the possession is only visual and not real (she won't walk faster at the end).
Thank you so much this helped a lot yet again.And i got the escape and death ending still need the last one.Anyway for the ones who wants those ending,there is a skip you can where you can skip collecting the 4 things (ball ,cat,...)in the 2nd time you visit the building world with her. This skips literally skips all of it and would Guarantee the safety of eileen and of course saving alot of time. And it work on pc and ps2 just a quick.
ruclips.net/video/kT2_42TJwlE/видео.html
Thats the skip.I hope this helps.
That video is horrible quality, I can barely see what's happening. Here's a better example made by me: ruclips.net/video/azKtXMUUitw/видео.html