Icom IC-705 Hands On Review, HF/VHF/UHF All Mode Ham Transceiver!!
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Check out the brand new Icom IC-705, An HF/VHF/UHF/DSTAR All Mode ham radio transceiver. More videos are on the way on specific features like the WiFi, Bluetooth and more..Leave a comment if you have an idea for a video on this radio.
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We're all in 2020 reviewing Baofengs and stuff. Eric's in 3020 bringing us this awesomeness before its even released.
3020 might be a realistic release date in the US 🤣
Boafengs are for cheap wannabees
Thank you for the tour. I’d like to see the IC-705 in the field using digital modes-preferably, FT8 and/or JS8Call. I love my FT-818ND, but this rig could be its replacement. Keep up the great content.
Future vid topics:
1) I’ve heard you can charge from a USB power source (e.g., USB wall charger or USB portable battery). How long does it take to charge and can you run full 10w from a portable USB battery?
2) Would love to see Bluetooth and WiFi capabilities demoed.
3) Would like to see the SWR analyzer/graph function again on this. Such a cool tool.
4) How does that awful Florida heat and humidity effect it if at all? Noticed you showed a temp gauge in this video.
5) Show us some mounting options, tripods, Mobile, etc.
6) Demo APRS w/ internal GPS.
7) Demo remote control via phone app.
Paul Lemieux only 5w from onboard battery. 20w output on regulated Dc 14.4 Volts
@@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953 Where did you see 20 watts?
I agree with you on the tuner. The one odd thing is the micro USB. We've had USB C for many years now.
I disagree on the tuner thing. Yeah, it's best to use a fully resonant antenna, but it would be nice to have a tuner built in for when you need one in a pinch, especially for $1,300. If Xiegu can do it in a radio for less than a third the price I don't see an excuse other than for add on sales of the new AH-705. Also I agree with the micro USB thing, but at least it's not mini USB. So many radios have been released in the last few years with mini USB, 15 years after the introduction micro USB. You can't even find mini cables in stores anymore.
I guess it pays to stay up late some night's! Thanks for dropping the 705 video!
Eric, good intro of the 705. What might be helpful is a demo of the power diff between the 705 @ 5w and 7300 @100w using your signals as seen on Reverse Beacon Network or the KiwiSDR network of receivers. QRP is fun but it is low power.
HRC first across the finish line for a solid review from US influencer. Impressed that you pulled this off. Kudos!
Very cool. Getting one as soon as it's in stock
Eric, thanks for sharing. To answer your question on the two buttons you found on the Band Stacking Register screen at 16:05 in your video: F-INP opens the Frequency Input screen for direct entry of a frequency. The GENE is just one of the bands in the stacking register. The F-INP screen is also pretty useful, besides allowing direct keypad entry of frequency, you can enter split frequencies and enter memory channels. The basic operation of direct frequency input, band stacking, etc. will be familiar to those who have used an IC-7300. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your videos. 73 Lynn NG9D
I want to see you in a park, backyard or somewhere with a wire antenna and making a contact. I love the videos you put out, but I want to see it in action! I bought a 7300 because of your video.
Deposit placed August 2019, maybe get it August 2020
> No ATU, Not an issue, use resonant antenna or small external ATU
> No 4M, Not an issue, use small Transverter 5W @ $75
For me the only missing nice to have,
2 X BNC, 1 for HF & 1 for VHF/UHF, convenience, not a show stopper
I’ve had a 7300 for about a year; it would help newbies if you showed the ease of the menu in setting up the 705 with a laptop for FT-8 and other digital modes.
Eric, great high level review. Take your folding chair, satellite antenna, a tripod for the IC-705 (that 1/4-20 mount on the bottom is a great idea for portable use) and a Raspberry Pi with one of the dedicated ham builds on it. If you could live stream that would be great. I want to see you work a satellite, do some FT4/8, and of course some phone and CW. If you can get the backpack I want to see how well it hold the Bioeno battery and a Chameleon antenna.
That looks like a nice qrp rig. Icom's answer to the Elecraft KX 2 and KX3. I like how big the screen is compared to the Yaesu FT 817 and 818.
Good video thank you for the nice demo.
Would be an answer to Elecraft if they included an internal tuner (even as an addon).
Great video! I'm looking forward to seeing you take it out in the field.
Thanks for the update Eric. I own the 7300. I will buy a 705 as a gift to myself after I pass the Extra Class exam. Just an incentive to remain focused. 73, W1RKB
Hi for the barber cream 🤙
Wow, thats cool you got one! I'd like to see the sticker behind the battery :D
🤣
Jealous much ? Lol jking I was hoping to get a glimpse when he took the battery out also 😉
How about the amplifier, that is best for this radio?
Sorry to be offtopic but does anybody know a trick to get back into an Instagram account?
I was dumb forgot my password. I would love any tricks you can offer me
@Ayaan Judson instablaster ;)
Awesome review man. Also congrats on 100K!
I just got a 705 and ill be watching all your videos ! 😉👍
Way to go with a major product pull! Lots here in the states seem to be scratching their heads wondering how, LOL. NICE. Will be fun watching you putting it into use.
Put it on your kitchen scales so I can see how much it weighs (with battery and mic). It looks a little big and possibly heavier than I would want to take in my backpack for a long hike but I'd like to be proven wrong. Every ounce adds up when on long distance hikes and I watch the weight carefully. That's why I use an ATS-3 built into an Altoids tin as my hiking rig. It only weighs a couple ounces.
Looks like an absolute delight. I will admit I had been saving up for a 705 but was impatient and used those funds for a new 7300. Shack is now a 7300 and Yaesu FT-847. I guess I just need to start saving up again!
Just wipe the old credit card out. LOL
Hi Eric......you are so very fortunate to be the first HAM in the USA 🇺🇸 (that I am aware of) to get your actual hands on the IC-705 and not just at a HAM show!!! I am really looking forward to your follow up videos on it!! Can you go over the following features in your up coming videos?
1. WiFi and does it allow you to connect (like a hotspot) to your internet router for D-star?
2. GPS features
3. Bluetooth features
4. Front speaker sound quality (along with speaker mic)
5. Idea of battery 🔋 run time?
6. US release date?
7. Also Icom had talked about an iOS App to control the radio via WiFi/Bluetooth any information from Ray or Icom?
I’m inline with Gigaparts and boy was I disappointed because of the Human malware virus for this radio’s release date having to be pushed back (but I understand why to). I heard you on 30 Charlie the other evening and was patiently waiting to jump in and say hi and wish you and your Family a Happy and safe 4th of July (I hope you had a great Holiday!!) but you had to get off and I didn’t get the chance. Thanks for the video and can’t wait to see more Eric! 73 Chris K4BBC
Eric.. why is no one realising the gap what discontinuing ft857D have made.
A decent portable all band 100 watt radio..
I am planning to get into this hobby, something like ic705 with a 100 watt would have been a do it all radio for someone like me without breaking my bank..
it;s a 10 watt radio
Icom 7100?
From my research, 7100 is the only available choice, however its already 5+ years in the market..
Frankly to me seems a bit dated, however a very good radio.
Just was thinking, all new features of 705 + a 100w output would have made this perfect.
They will sell by the bucket load. I think it looks quite amazing. Pricey? Add up the number of bands plus dStar a complete ham shack in a box. I have a KX3, love it, but price wise it’s not too far away from this. So put it all into perspective. Radios that can have firmware upgrades mean additional elements can be added over time, so it has in built upgrade ability. Don’t knock it ICOM have raised the bar with this. Am I buying one, no, because I have all the portable gear I need and couldn’t justify changing. Resonant antenna are the way to go and what’s even more amazing they are easy to build. Get out there and enjoy the hobby. Great review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 73 M0AZE Mike
+1 for resonant antennas!
Hi, Great video ! What about to climb a hill and demonstrate what's the 705 is capable to do working with a single stock battery on HF, VHF and UHF ? This test will give us the measure of about how enjoyable this radio is. 73 de IW2CZG
Wow! Terrific review, as only "YZI" can do!!! For future: nuts and bolts (cabling, etc) of what would be required to - 1. Control/use a Tarheel mobile antenna, 2. a mobile HF amp (50 watt or so), 3. Raspberry Pi package (small screen monitor, keyboard, etc.) for portable/emergency ops (I do Disaster Relief work on NFL Gulf Coast) - all using the 705!!!! Big and time consuming wish list, I know, but what subjects for HRC videos! Gotta' do more to support you, so headed now to become a patron. 73, Mike, N3JW
Let's see the satellite tracker rockin the IC 705 😉
Okay! Really interested in this radio but, I gotta admit that the lack of an auto tuner and the 10 watts is probably a deal breaker for me. Especially at the price point we're talking about. If I'm doing a POTA activation, I don't want to carry an outboard tuner and try as I might, my antennas are not always resonant where the action is. The possibility of 20 watts could make all the difference in my buying decision but 10, I just don't think so. Great video btw!
So we have to wait for MKII... 20W and bigger battery would be nice, but the absence of an internal tuner hurts most.
It's nice to see an update on this radio.
Show the noise reduction and auto notch features on SSB, and the CW handling with the APF. Thanks
Erik, I want one... so bad! Thank you for breaking it all down, like a good death metal song!! Much appreciated!!
Congrats on 100k!
I’m also excited about learning more about this radio, but I don’t understand why it’s unreasonable for people to ask about the build quality, for example.
Whether I consider buying this radio will necessarily take into account the lack of ATU, the power limitations, the build quality - as well as the positives like screen, filters, portability. When I look at reviews of the model I’m interested in the whole package and whether it’s right for me as a whole.
I want one!!! I test the 1st Saturday in August and can’t wait till I have one in my home/shack/go bag!!!
Do a video QSO with Jimmy KA5DOB on the other end and have him do an audio check of the 705 -- to see if the 705 matches up with the many 7300's that he constantly hears & helps people setup for the first time.
People are telling me the 705 sounds better than any rig they’ve heard me use! Haven’t tweaked anything.
Honestly haven't watched yet, but I see IC-705 in the title so something tells me Eric's doing a happy dance.
I am impressed with your presentation, I think this radio is interesting also. I have seen radios in QST that have the waterfall feature, but never new what it was for. after seeing this video I understand what it is for. I don't think I will be investing in one because I have enough radios that don't get quality use put to them. However it's always good to know what's out there and how it works. Thanks for sharing.
Cool - thanks for quick look, and thanks to Icom for letting this one out so early.
A couple questions / comments -
Are the 3.5mm speaker/mic jacks for compatibility with computer headsets? That would be excellent!
Is it capable of satellite usage? Will your swell tracker work with it? Can't wait to see more on that -
I've never seen a computer headset with two jacks like the 705 mike but i use Bluetoooth to link my headset to it.
You showed it has wifi, could you show us how to use the WiFi? I'm curious what options are available. Thanks for the video it was great.
This is radio looks amazing, might just be my first HF rig, though I might get an amplifier for my home. Overall it looks pretty good, internal antenna tuner no big issue, I've got an MFJ 16010 manual tuner that is smaller then a baofeng box. The only thing that bugs me is the 3.5mm jacks for everything, microphone is fine, but I wish they had kept the USB port for interfacing with it. I don't like having to build/buy extra cables. But then it would basically just be a 7300 with a GPS and VHF/UHF with 10w output. BNC antenna connector is also acceptable, quick disconnect is nice. Overall it looks pretty good, though ultimately the price will decide whether I get it or not, hopefully it will be reasonably priced. Great overview Eric, 73s from W8IJC!
So, this radio seems to meet 99% of what I need. I really need that ATU as I’m Thr nut job who will try to tune a barbed wire fence. I’d be interested in finding out about the WiFi and I heard a rumor about a built-in sound card
73s de NK3PS
Barbed wire fence? A few years ago I hijacked a half mile section and used it for a Beverage Antenna pointed to Europe. It worked fine but would have to bleed of the static charge.
Icom will have a portable ATU accessory for it. No word on price or availability. Hopefully it will be out the same time as the radio.
Elecraft T1 tuner will work great with this radio.
@@stupendisdick4442 Oh cool
@@stupendisdick4442 Stu I like your thinking! Lol BTW speaking of hijacking wire , years ago when I lived on the plains of West Texas the old timers told me the phone company couldn't justify the expense of running a wire miles for one subscriber so some of these folks used the top 2 strands for a twisted pair and tied into a drop the phone company set up. Pretty sketchy considering the threat of lightening ect. But they got what they wanted.
I'd like to see you making contacts out in a park(when safe). UHF/VHF operation, especially satellites. Thank you in advance
Yes VHF UHF satellite operation would be nice to see.
Great videos. I have been off air since my 92 D-Star died in ‘17. Have many Icom marine radios and going to get new Ham kit as I want to get back in. An Icom fanboy but actually leaning towards the Kenwood D74 as the 51 doesn’t seem to be as up to date. Been watching a lot of your fantastic content as well as Don Arnold on the Kenwood HT. The 705 looks awesome. An Icom HT with colour and the D74 is what I want. Might just go for the 705. Based on your content. Not the same price point but could go either way. 73. VA3CPG
One can never have too many transceivers.
Thank you for another great video. I’m studying to take my test hopefully the first of the year (2021). If it still not crazy out there. My question is would this be a good first radio to start with and grow into?
100k subs well done .
I can't wait to see you using this. What I'm interested in: portable - what's it like to setup and use at the campground? Backpacking: What's it like to hike with and what portable antennae setups work the best? Base station: how is the footprint on a home office desktop? I have a tech license so I talk on local repeaters and simplex but love to listen to HF and local aviation bands. What is the quality of audio for those? Thanks a million for all your informative videos - KD9CZM.
vertical mfj2286 antenna 10/40 meters , o endfed 10-80 meters , my favourite antennas for portable operations. no need atu . 73 de ik2ume
I’d like to see how the wlan and Bluetooth play with a raspberry pi (or iPhone) for digital modes, USB cables work great, but imagine having direct wireless connection! I have a pre-order in on one, hope this means it’s coming soon!
Also, I saw SWR in the menu, does it have meter, just not a tuner? If so at least you can diagnose a bad antenna and try manually tuning it.
Would love to see how it can work with a Raspberrypi and do digital modes (winlink, js8call, fldigi)
HamPi software will support it on the raspberry pi 4. Wsjt-x and fldigi available.. It has already been demoed on a 7300, so it should work with the 705.
Eric, would like to learn more about the different type of filters and how to access. Take care and great work!
I like your reviews / demos! It would be good to see the 705 working on satellites in FM and SSB. I am also wondering if the bluetooth and WIFI can be used to steer doppler and frequency correction.
So it uses the same battery as the ID-51a. That radio has been discontinued. How long will the battery be available?
Great stuff! QUESTION! How does the IP remote control work? Does it have a built in IP server, OR must it use a PC based server software program to control remotely? (Crossing my fingers for an internal server!)
No antenna tuner. Could care less about D-star. Otherwise seems OK. Nice to have another choice for QRP. Think I'll stick with my old school IC-703. Would be curious to learn about the power draw. Can't imagine that fancy display with a processor driving it isn't a bit of a power hog. Battery efficiency is a make or break feature for a battery operated, portable, radio. Thanks for the preview. An 1880mah battery pack seems a ridiculously small capacity .. and for $99?
EEe man yea that's too ....much$99. hope they lower battery price.
I wanted one until .....no antenna tuner....I'll stick with my 703 too.
ronbotex my 703 still going strong with awesome ATU , nice big screen the 705 the whole idea behind QRP is low battery consumption.EI5EN
For your QRP folks out there I see they have just released the icom 705 for about $1300 dollars.
But for about $450 dollars you can get a small light weight QRP size Xiegu g90 transciever with internal antenna tuner that is so good it could probably tune up a head of lettuce, antenna analyzer, waterfall, and up to 20 watts and... get this and it has a great CW decoder.
But if you save up all your hard earned money, for an extra $850 more dollars you can get an icom 705 with no antenna tuner.
Great intro Eric on the ICOM IC-705. This would be a great radio for most anyone that wants portable and ICOM quality.
73s KC3PRU
I'd like to see a mock field setup, even if it's on the bench. Set up for digital, set up for phone, even if it's using a backpack antenna like an MPAS.
I dont even have my licence yet and can see that this is quite the toy for those who are into the challenge or experimentation. There are simpler or cheaper choices for specific uses but...
Sweet!! Any idea on release date? Is this a production model? Curious whether the FCC finally approved it.
Late summer
HamRadioConcepts Torture!!
@@Transmissions if I remember Ray said about August 📻☕
@@HamRadioConcepts price range it will be?
Just bought one yesterday from HRO, getting to know it.
show practical use of wi-fi on the IC-705
This would be an excellent use for connecting the radio to a headless RPi for rig control and digital audio for digital modes without being tethered by a USB cable. Great feature for field use.
Just being able to periodically update the firmware on the fly justifies its existence. With a radio like this, scads of features can be added or refined via firmware updates.
W4AH here on the road several months a year in our 25-foot RV. Love what you say about this little unit, but what can you recommend for the 795 as a suitable antenna that will radiate effectively on 80 meters, please? Can't be setting up dipoles at campgrounds when we only stay a few days at any one stop. Something portable that RADIATES and gives the radio sensitive ears. Can't work stations I can't hear, and I can't work stations by heating wires that refuse to radiate. Thank you, Eric! SEVENTY THREE
Please connect to Raspbery Pi, run FT8, HF APRS and WinLink, demonstrate the GPS, can it output to the Pi ?
Chud M1PUP QTH London
Grats on your M1.. 7 3
Exactly Chud, can the internal GPS output time reference to the Pi for FT8? Can it output location reference to the Pi, also? W4ZQ
I’d like to know what the WiFi is for. Looks like a great rig. I’d love to see the backpack set up.
I don’t know yet. Bluetooth works with my Bose wireless headset!
I am really do not understanding why no one is catering to the gap that has been left by product discontinued by Yeasu. I am talking about ft-857d.
For someone new to hobby, this 705 with a 100w output would have been a one stop solution for anyone at a reasonable price..
Most are either its HF only or VHF/UHF only,
Great first look but when are we taking this QRP/P rig out to the woods or the beach? I'd really like to see this in action.
Did you leave out 6m? I just got mine. Love that it’s identical to my ‘7300 - it weighs as much as my KX3 that has the added heat sink and side handles installed. Lots to play with. 73
What can we do with the Wi-Fi? Specifically can we remotely control the radio over Wi-Fi? What are all the things we can do on Wi-Fi? Thank you for making another video and sharing it with all of us. I am subscribed with notifications turned on and of course thumbs up! 73 W3TCP
I'm assuming that the wifi can be used for connecting to a D-STAR hotspot in Terminal Mode, among other things. The 9700 does this via an ethernet cable. Wifi seems far more convenient.
Possible easier firmware upgrades. Remote control by Smart Phone? Is there an app coming? No idea. 73 M7ARQ.
The brochures, PDF's, seem to indicate not fully utilised and requires firmware updates.
Im new to Ham Radio....but have absolutely loved the IC-2730a mobile dual band. I realize that it is a complete different radio, but the simplicity of function, intuitive programming etc makes it nice to use. I now have 3 ic-2730s. Ive got some Yaesu HTs, and they are fine, but Im much more impressed with icom design overall
Really appreciate the sneak peek! Now jealous and want it. Solves a lot of problems or surmounts a lot of hurdles for me in my evolving ham radio practice. Would enjoy seeing you set up and operate it live from a couple different type antennas like wire and your loop.
One feature I'd like to see on it, would be 'back-lit' keys!!
Such a minor thing that would make such a big difference.
Please tell us some more about the audio quality - transmit, receive and noise handling. Is it comfortable to operate!
Would be neat if it had 1.2GIG and 1.25 meter just for laughs. But I've got other radios for that. Thanks for the review 73's till next time
Reserved mine for $35 at HRO on September 18th. HRO called me yesterday and took the remaining $1347. They said I’m number 5 on the list and that the rig should ship between the middle of September and the end of October 🙄
I'm 42 in line (HRO) for one of these beasts. HRO gave me the impression it would be September, not October. I certainly hope so!
Any idea what the pin assignment for the Tuner socket is? I hear the tune function on the radio works with some LDG Tuners? Radio can initiate a full tune or memory tune with Z-817, Z-100 plus, Z-11 Pro II. ..?
I'm interested in seeing the CW features and how to's for filters, memories, keyer, zero beating, etc. (is there a CW decoder???) Also interested in seeing how the audio and control connections to a PC work (via USB, WiFi, Bluetooth) and how you would set up for ops with WSJT-X, JS8Call, etc. Last would be to take a look at the Bluetooth functionality: What features does it have? What can it connect to? Can it be connected to car/truck hands-free phone systems? Bluetooth PTT button?
We have no specific release date in Canada that I've heard, just Aug/Sept. 8^((
How did you get one in your hands??? Congrats - can't wait for more vids on it.
Thank you for the awesome vid man, good stuff
I'm very curious about battery life. The battery looks small, especially considering the large bright screen. I assume the screen can be set to shut off when not in use, just like a smart phone screen. I would be interested in knowing the approximate RX and TX time on SSB. Maybe you can experiment and see how long you can receive at medium volume and how long you can transmit. Also, what happens when the battery dies? Is there any advance warning so you can change battery packs? Or do you just get cut off mid-sentence?
I am new to the hobby and HF. I would like to see if I took it new out of the box, what do I have to do to make my first HF contact? Thanks for presenting this series as I believe you are whetting my appetite for a radio like this.
Thanks for the video on this radio. Interesting comment about 5 watts of power.
I suggest you go over VHF and UHF and DSTAR. Looks like a lot oof fun I have both the 7300 and then 9700
Wow! it's cool. It is first hands on reivew other than Japan. How about the touch screen? I am wondering if it is between resistive or capacitive.
Hi Eric,
Nice video on the IC-705.
For my opinion it's a little bit overpriced.
You have to pay 1475€ ( 1690 US$ ) here in Germany to get one... that's more than twice the price of an ft-817 and one and a half the price of the IC-7300... naahhh, not worth it.
Small battery, only 5 (10)W, very delicate display for outdoor use and no antenna tuner?
No need for it.
I will keep my 703 and use it with the converters for 2m and 70cm.
To much disadvantages for me, sorry ICOM.
73 de DG4RBS Stefan
I don't think that asking why icom makes a certain decision is necessarily a bad thing. There is a huge difference between wanting to know the reason behind something and thinking you can do better. For an enthusiast, I would think that good ideas propagate so knowing the reason is good.
Shut up, take my money!!
Neither do I, have any use for a antenna tuner built in. All my antennas are resonant anyhow. I do have a external tuner if needed for quick pinches if ever in one. As I see it, In a mobile rig that would be another item to add bulk, weight and power draw. I'm glad it doesn't have one. ICOM knows what they are doing.
Lovely radio. It has a lot of positive features.
First let me say this was an excellent review. Thanks but i do have a question. We all know that this radio does not have an internal antenna tuner. QUESTION. Truly. My question is about the 80 meter band only. I like to work 80 meters however even with a resonant antenna it is sometimes extremely difficult to work both ends of the band without an antenna tuner if not impossible. Can you please tell me how you handle that. I am truly interested. Do you just work the part of the band that the resonant antenna actually is resonant on and ignore the rest of the band. Please do you have some suggestions. Personally I like to work the entire band and don’t want to be stuck in only parts of the band.
We need all mode Icom transceiver, but like IC-7300/IC-9700. :-) I really hope that Icom will make similar TRX to compete with Yaesu FT-991A. This small QRP rig is a great start!
Eric, congratulation !
I like to see if there is a remote control capabilities using Wifi on smartphones/tablet or PC/laptop.
Thank you.
Its a beast that radio icom thought of everythink and really easy to use easy get to know how to work it
WOW Eric. Being a new tec, more on Winlink with Mobilinkd TNC3. My ID-51A+ and TYT UV8100 do not connect to the radio through com port. I will be involved with ARES an storm worn, etc. This radio will be both base and mobile station. Great videos K0GEN.
Since you like operating on 5 watts, what do you think about adding a amplifier to get a full 100 watts?
How about a custom Bioenno battery pack that fits in the rig with larger capacity? I wouldn't mind if it stuck out a from the battery compartment.
Getting both an IC-9700 and an IC-7300 seems a bit steep to me. What about options for using the IC-705 with amplifiers? Just getting it up around 100-200 W. I understand that QRP can be fun and all, but not on all bands in all situations. 80 meter local ragchew: yes. 15 or 2 meter sideband dx: no.
I'd like to see how much power it draws on an external supply for different operating conditions (receive SSB, receive FM, transmit CW, transmit SSB / voice, transmit FM) with TX power set to 1W and 5W. Thanks!
Hi Eric, Looks like a really interesting radio there. I can't believe the fitted all those modes and bands into something so small, yet still having a brilliant display and great menus. Thanks for putting together this look at the system. I'm really interested in seeing how this does portable, out in the great outdoors on the HT battery pack. They made a really interesting decision to use the same batteries as a handheld so you could take along as many as you want to keep you going. Curious how it does and how long we could expect to run on these batteries if we didn't go for a separate battery pack. 73 from the UK - 2E0SKX