Is Attack on Titan’s 3D Maneuver Gear Deadly for Humans Too? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill)
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Attack on Titan has many deadly threats for the Survey Corps, but it’s not just the titans. Could their own 3D maneuver gear be just as dangerous? Kyle grapples some answers on this week's Because Science!
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How much gas would the maneuver need to slow down the pilot enough so they don't die instantly when they land on a building or the ground. I imagine a lot.
The 3D maneuver gear . Doesn't pull the kids in an instant but keep pulling countinesly. That " may not"( I really don't know) in g force tolerance but it Bose as in not snap bones and neck. I know not that related to the video . But the more you know.
I've been watching Terra formars and it has me wondering what kind of animal splicing would be able to fight those cockroach men on Mars
I was more concerned when they swing around corners at full speed.
dat whiplash doe
Yeah, I tried to go with the most common move. There are a lot of super dangerous moves throughout the show. -- KH
Nerdist hey Kyle, you should ask Neil Degrasse Tyson to do an episode with you... no particular reason I just think you guys would be an entertaining team!
Yes, a circular movement or a change of direction would cause much more gs than just the initial thrust. Same thoughts.
ForgottenLink48 i was also concerned with the thrust being a pulling force rather than a pushing force, especially since ita focused on one area of the body.
Engineer:
Okay, let's assume that Mikasa is a perfect spheroid and air resistance doesn't exist
This got me laughing hard as hell
nice
We should assume a LOT of things for her to make that maneur. For example - this "hook" more likely will rip off the goddamn brick wall and slap her face with 45g's in a 0,5 seconds after she hit the trigger...
@@Alfa-de8cq and don't get me started on the snap-off stanley knives they are using .....
@@Alfa-de8cq I think the hook doesn't pull anything, it just retracts, the pull comes from the gas. Still it is bunker physics to combat titans, Im sure humans could come up with something different.
Aka: Willy Tybur explains to us why the scouts on Eldia are bad
Underrated comment
Shiit.... 😂😂😂😂😭😂😂
Bruuuuuhhh
Baby science Thor and Willy Tybur are the same
@@johnmicodelira2711 Very underrated tbh
"Now that Season 2 is out"
Jesus i'm old...
RUclips recommended this to us 3 years late
Same bro
ahhh same
Now that season 4 is out
I'm already dead💀
Same 😭
Mikasa isn't a good reference as she is stronger than normal humans.
Yeah.
Wabbajam Whooy and Levi
and kenny
Wabbajam Whooy Stronger but so what? that doesn't change anything how strong you are.
Wabbajam Whooy she is still human though
Has anyone noticed he has to write everything backwards so its normal for us
He's likely right-handed by demographic guess, but he uses his left, and he writes everything without trouble. He probably just writes on the glass normally, and they flip it over into a mirror-image during editing.
Nyctophobia X I’m a bit late, but he is right handed and writes in these videos with his right hand, and they flip the entire image.
Edit: Oh, that's what you meant, isn't it?
But he writes on mirror glass to make it easier so...
It’s a mirror image omg 🤦♂️
No they just flip the screen
“Try to feel how heavy your blood is”
I subconsciously started feeling something I’ve never felt before nor do I ever want to feel again
same lmao
Accurate 👌😂
at first i had the same reaction but after it honestly helps with something way different than science and its meditation being able to feel everything in your own body and have everything around u disappear is quite the experience
No you didn’t
I started feeling the blood pumping through my leg
'3d maneuver gear is deadly to humans'
levi: turns into a literal beyblade
😂😂😂
He’s an Ackermann
@@Sausagey2 g-forces don't care about your heritage
5:07 The titan isn't poorly drawn, some look just like that.
SgtCloroxBleach he was referring to his drawing not the anime.
Theophilus Arkius r/wooosh
The thing is that the Titans in the anime are poorly drawn
Theophilus Arkius wooosh
SgtCloroxBleach wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
It does mention some people died in the training...
Maybe that's the reason why. They weren't cut out for the rigs of the ODM gear
@@humanman2358 yeah
Now I noticed, aside from being Thor, he's also Willy Tybur
Oh my god it’s the man himself
Next video by Kyle/Willy: Is the hero Helos real?
eren’s right under him waiting for the perfect moment...
Holy shit I had to laugh so hard I just choked on my drink
Physics dont work on aot
All anime have differnet physics
Excellent answer, comrade xD
J12S Pugliese
You didnt you didaaaant because its not nit there
Yea when levi stabbed Reiner, levi was clearly running on the wall for a couple of seconds which is impossible
@ABHINAV JAIN its about over 300 m long
@@tofferooni4972 the wall is 60 m long...
What's cool is that the manga actually mentions them having to go through training to withstand gravitational forces, so the science does kinda line up in that regard
The manga mentioned training so they can control their trajectory and keep their balance when using 3-D gear, I haven't seen anything about withstanding gravitational forces and pressure.
Blizzic No, it doesn't. Not at all.
Blizzic Well, ok. But how does 'training' justify casual events of accelerating at no less than 15g.
Its nice that they attempt to make some kind of sense, but it still doesnt change the fact that 3DMG is still ridiculously unsafe and ineffective, ESPECIALLY since their technology is so limited. Nasa pours millions of dollars with modern age tech into their space programs to properly train astronauts to withstand the forces. These guys swing around in a forest with wooden suspensions being their main construction material. Sure a human with tip top training could stay concious enough to travel in a short line to make a cut, but turning corners and blasting forward constantly like they do in the show would knock you out instantly if not snap your goddamn neck and spine. The science of 3DMG doesnt line up at all. Not a single bit. Still awesome though.
The fact they are Eldians is proof enough. And that they are literally not average humans at all.
The only issue I have with thisepisode is that mikasa does not need to go ANYWHERE near 45 or even 40 g becauseshe started that attack runfrom close to the ground. In the shot you can see the buildings around her falling away as she races toward the titan. She is also not trying to get close to 30m in the air, because 15m is the tallest titan outside of the colossal. She is realistically moving at about a 20 decree incline through the city, and likely does not need more than 15 g to get a sufficient parabolic arc to reach the neck of a 15m titan. And, given the fact that she is probably wearingcompression clothing and a sport harness, AND had training, AND is a generic superhuman, that would be a cakewalk for her.
Wow. Most underrated comment.
Know this is old but something else to add. The scouts can angle their gas downward by tilting their body to slow their decent. They can't push hard enough to leave the ground with gas alone, but enough to assume you could use downward gas to slow or even temporarily stop a scout's decent while flying forward through the air. Levi is shown doing this a lot but then again he's Levi. Probably why he runs out of gas so fast
waoh I totally just noticed the 30m Titan thing damn. Amazing observations 👏👏👏
It’s a distance of 30 meters, not a height. The difference in height is only one meter, regardless of the height of the titan. To travel 30 meters, you need an acceleration of 45g, in order to fall less than one meter, and that at any height.
@@ncramz1662 exactly this
The founding titan is able to rework the bodies of the eldians, so maybe the king at the time changed the eldians bodies to be able to handle more g’s. This would also explain how some characters are able to fall at a fairly quick speed and not even flinch.
The founding titan wanted Eldians dead and ignorant about the world. Why would the king help the Survey Corps when they were created to breed fear to people in the first place? 🙄
@@tintincruz8660 Because king Fritz still wanted a able military nation. Incase his collosal Titans failed, which was highly unlikely, he wanted his people to be stronger than others.
@@enderlinde3152 no he didn't, he wanted them all to lay down and die, the colossals in the wall were just a big bluff anyway
It’s bloody anime physics stop with all these theory
@@rcnemesis7645 no one is forcing you to participate in the conversation
Considering the amount of training the recruits go through, and also the fact that some people *die* during that training, it's not implausible to think that the recruits spend a lot of time subject to high g force manoeuvres, training in the same way a modern pilot would.
Sometimes I listen to the aot opening pretending I'm part of the survey corps flying around on the 3D mg killing Titans
Z Bromley me too
Z Bromley everyone do that
Z Bromley you're not the only one
There are games for that, AoTTG and Roarix AoT fan game
muuubiee idk how to download em 😢😢
The thoughts I have when I watch attack on titan
Hange getting turned on by titans
ペリドx Kanna chan by Eren
ペリドx Kanna chan She didn't get turned on (i wish) but she was simply amazed at how Eren understood what she was saying
Actually Catt
Oh yeah
DID YOU SEE MIKASA'S FACE
That face says I want to kill that bitch for getting "turned on" on my senpai
ペリドx Kanna chan haha
ペリドx Kanna chan titans are humans after all, read the manga dont blame me. ):3
Well that explains why Ackmans are unique and why normal troopers are so incompetent even for simple maneuvers.
BTW they had jetpacks.
Ackermans are freaks of nature. They were made from science, fr
Ackermans are super humans
Nah they’re not jet packs, odm gear works by sending compressed gas into turbines with either send out or draw in the cabels, the gas you see coming out the back in actually exhaust. The faster you go the more exacts you see coming out
they're basically your AOT version of captain america or spider man.
@@yaskala1014 Levi uses his jetpack to spin
I think the real question should be how far can their hooks even reach? The length of those things are so inconsistent.
20 meter maybe
I wonder how the hooks release when you want it to retract. How do you dig it out of a wall while swinging? I also would like to see how much energy can actually be stored in gas canisters, and if there is enough to do several swings before reloading.
@@forgottenrights351 how tf do you even aim with them? That's what I've always wondered
I believe it has 30 meters of cables
@@JC-xp1kl With your hips I believe due to that's where the launcher is located
"Is the Maneuvering Gear deadly for humans, too?"
Well, there is that one scene in the manga where Levi murders multiple dudes with GUN-BASED MANEUVERING GEAR using his swords, and it's effing awesome.
.............. Ohhhhh wait, you meant like G forces and stuff.... Alright, that's a completely different story, lol.
*The "Kyle is Wrong!" FAQ*
1. Yes, assuming no vertical force from the wire is a simplification and not accurate. The closer she got to the titan, the more the velocity vector would point upwards. However, because I assumed she couldn't fall very far vertically, and that the movement time was under a second, I chose not to factor it in.
2. I chose the block length based on the how it looked compared to the previous episode I did on OPM. It wasn't arbitrary.
3. "ODM," "3DMG," doesn't matter. Nerds.
4. The gas in the 3DMG DOES NOT act as a thruster, it spins the fans that reel in the wire. The amount of gas you'd need to lift a person even a little bit could not fit in those canisters.
5. "Survivable" is very different from "safe." John Stapp who I mentioned broke nearly every capillary in his eyeballs on that 45g run, and had impaired vision for 24 hours. He also broke wrists and ribs on runs, and received several concussions. I didn't mention this because I was wondering if you'd be straight-up dead from 3DMG use, and I don't think you would be if you were properly trained (the kids are) and supported (the canon makes a big deal of the leather straps they use). Also, there are a lot of "deadlier" moves made in the anime, but I chose one that I felt was more representative of general use.
This was a very difficult episode to write, so if you disagree with any of my assumptions, I understand. Sorry. In every episode I'm trying to introduce or explain at least one basic topic, not give a definitive analysis or masterclass. Just trying my best. Thanks for watching. -- KH
so in a nut shell you are saying it is survivable thats understandable now the next big one you will get is if the 3dmg is even mechanically plausible I won't comment on that since I am not a mechanic nor an engineer but my suspicions point me to believe that mechanically the 3dmg as we see it in the show and manga is mechanically implausible but not impossible
Well, not a mechanic eng neither, but tensile strenght of wires can withstand giantic forces, the psi contained in tanks are tremendous too... The tecnology can be reduced to fit in a 3dmg can be produced, however I dont picture super precise leathes, CNC equipment and computarized welding to monufacture those...
as I said i only thought it was improbable I'm not saying it can't be done just very difficult to create
no, since Spider-Man's movement is based on his swing (much slower than the AoT 3DMG) and add to that his superhuman physique, so I'm willing to bet Spidey can pull his swings off without a problem.
+Lewis John Technically they're not outright impossible, but with current technology, there's no way they could be that compact.
The biggest problem with the 3DMG is the power it would require. The compressed gas they use is a bit of a hand wave. In reality, while compressing gasses is a good way to store energy, how quickly you can re-extract the energy from the gas expanding (and therefore the amount of usable power those gas canisters could give) is limited by how much ambient heat the gas is able to absorb, since the pressure and temperature of gasses are interdependent. Thermodynamics is kind of complicated, but for the amount of power the 3DMG uses those cylinders would have to be getting way more heat than they could just absorb from the air around them.
You could get more power from the gas by adding a compact heat source, but we never see that mentioned. The long and short of it is that the rigs we see are just too small to be able to do what they do in the show.
I was actually wondering more about their landings, they'll launch themselves against walls for example.
They usually slow down and kinda just grip to walls with their hooks.
Well they landed on roofs and the roof tiles don't even budge. Maybe a lapse in the animation or they just aren't landing as fast as it may initially appear. Also based on how far the roll on flat ground, the worse case scenario seems to be about as bad as a poor parachute landing. Although there are definitely more deadly scenes but they also seem to actually get injured when impacting harder. There's always creative license, but their landings doesn't appear that hard of a impact.
its like this; when you land with the parachute
@@neurofiedyamato8763 it feels like ive seen this comment on a separate video, dejavu?
@@grofekmontecristo most people break their legs while landing with parachute
I always imagined 3D maneuver gear feeling like those bungee jump things at like malls and festivals and stuff
Like Eren said before trost "some of us did die, but we survived". Ah the power of G force
*_WARNING, NERD-OUT INCOMING_*
Mikasa is actually literally stronger than most characters, the manga explains that this bloodline (Ackermans) is basically the perfect soldier for fighting titans.
Ever notice that the average character uses the gear in low energy, tactical bursts with breaks in between? Ever realize the *_HEAVY_* requirement and emphasis for team work?
Playing a few Attack on Titan games, I kinda brought it down to this...
1 squad of Government Issue joes can take down a titan, if nothing goes wrong. A squad is made of 5-6 people in the show, so I delegated roles to the people in the squad, and I broke down a basic tactic for a normal, run of the mill titan.
*This scenarios are assuming you are fighting in a City, probably the second best fighting area besides the forest. there is literally NO WHERE that you CANNOT go, and most titans are right at eye level or just above eye level if you're standing on the rooftop. This scenario also assumes that the titan is a 10-15 meter titan.*
Members
Lead - An elite member (maybe 2) is on standby, staying somewhere BEHIND the titan, waiting to kill it.
Legs team - A pair of soldiers takes out the legs of the titan by slicing the tendons connecting the foot and leg at the ankle. This is commonly used in the show, and is taught in training.
Arms team - This team takes out the arms if the legs are inaccessible to the Legs team (Corridor is too narrow with no space to move, etc) Probably the most dangerous job of them all.
Distraction - Easily the second most dangerous job of the group. The soldier tasked with this job MUST be of the same caliber, or close, to the lead member to offer ease of escape. This job requires literal balls of pure steel.
The distraction may need to be comprised of a few units, since titans are drawn to the largest group of humans.
First, the distractions get hold of the Titan's attention, drawing them into a space where the legs team can easily slice out the tendons, forcing the titan to drop to its face for a solid minute. This gives time for the Lead member(s) to kill it.
Second, the distraction team may try to get it into a more open spot, however maybe due to poor street designs, the legs are totally inaccessible. The arms team would be tasked with at the very least, cutting out the muscles that allow the arms to be raised right that the back of the upper arms. Another idea, but HIGHLY dangerous, is to have the distraction team have the titan try to grab them, while the arms team straight up cuts off the hand at the wrist, basically making it so that the titan cannot grab. Then, the Lead team flies in to slice the nape, killing it.
Third, is basically a last resort, and is to be reserved for the BEST soldiers. just flying in at rapid speed and overpowering the titan with surprise. this requires INCREDIBLE body strength, nerves, focus, and stamina. you'd easily have to hit Kyle's 45g limits, and would probably take the soldier out of the battle for a while. Basically, you're pushing your body and your gear to the absolute limit.
These tactics are to be used against a SINGLE titan. groups of titans are INCREDIBLY difficult to pull these maneuvers and tactics on, since you can immobilize one titan quite easily, but the second one could be merely meters behind the first, and surprise you.
*_NERD OUT OVER_*
God this made me cringe.
It's like you're trying to miss the point of the video.
Kyle didn't compare Mikasa to anyone, he set to find out of a human could survive the G-forces in play there. If that maneuver gear is deadly to humans.
Yes it is.
It's like you're trying to gush about something. :|
Eren's Lost Arm dude a year later I said the same shit but summed up
Okay say that again but slower
I’m pretty sure all of this is obvious to AOT fans. And also unnecessary. You just missed the whole point of the video tf
How much free time do you have
On top of that, they can use the gas to propel themselves upward, which can lower the free fall.
This is what I was looking for. But is cool that even when not taking the gas into account it’s plausible the movements could be survivable.
Damn willy tybur be really doing his research good. Too bad bruv died in just 3 episodes
Guy died 5 seconds into his own war.
It got my nape.
Damn Levi got my nape! -- KH
Ach! Me Napes!!!
syaondri They were too short
IT GOT MUH NAPE!
syaondri
Honestly, i wouldnt want Levi on my leg either. The dude is creepy.
How about Levi's super fidget spinner move, how does his head not pop off his body.
Heh it could work like how figure skaters do their spins at high speed, or ballerinas, the advantage comes that he's in the air so there's less friction and he has to have perfect control over the 3DMG and his horizontal speed to reach the target on time and not fall down, not get tangled on the wires AND not suffer a broken neck, broken spine or stroke while he does it.
He's superhuman
@@contessa4490 judging the fact he's an Ackerman, superhuman clan.
He’s an Ackerman.
He's an Ackerman. Don't worry about it
This gear is literally the coolest shit ever
Ikr
Fuck yeah
Spoiler:
Zeke: ah my nape! Levi got mah nape!
XD
happened is s3 part 2
You cruel bastard
it has 69 likes now im going to screw it up
@@slavicspider7762 and in season 4 :v
You forgot about whiplash. The 3DMG wouldn't really give much support to the spine.
Mr.deacle Their harness is designed about the same to a paratroopers outfit... from what I've seen
Yeah, it also looks like they move at full speed around corners and through other turns, which would up the Gs considerably. I don't think he's suggesting that everything they do in the show is reasonable, just that in this one way the 3DMG could technically work.
Mr.deacle not to metion the rest of the body, the gear will rip its user in half... if it wont already break down. the Gs might not kill them, but everything else will... gear ripping through them, the stopping, the slamming into objects due to reaction times shorter than the time that you're flying. not to mention, they will have to stand perfectly vertical when accellerating. a slight lean forward or backwards will still kill them. The answer to the question should be a full YES
Mr.deacle Can Your Spine Be Broken Like Bane Cracks the Bat?
The lore reason is that the body is supported by a harness of leather straps that go around the legs and torso, allowing the user to spread and modulate the force ot the winces across their body, especially using the straps around their legs. The one anime where a huge amount of belts actually makes sense.
Can you do an episode about the amount of strength Guts has to use his dragonslayer? Could it be possible to cut thought several people or a rider with his horse
Japanese sword smiths when finished with their blade would test it by slicing through cadavers and convicted prisoners sentenced to death. There are swords that are still intact today with inscriptions saying "5 bodies cut with a hip cut slice." So yes it is possible to cut through several people. As well as the sword that Guts uses is extremely large and I assume is based off of a zanbatō sword, which were extremely large and were designed to for striking horses.
ruyman90 Dragonslayer is six and a half feet long, a foot and a half wide and weighs 400 pounds. Cutting through a horse would be the least it could do. You could bring down houses with that thing.
Guts would have to weigh a lot more than the sword to swing it in the first place. But anime physics in place, oh yes, very much so. Armor isn't really something you can cut through easy but the concussive force alone from getting hit with that sword would destroy you even inside a full suit. It'd crush the horse to the ground at the very least I would think. I don't know how hard and he'd have to swing though to cut through ring and plate with a sword like he does pretty regular but would have to be insanely fast. Unarmored, easily I should think. For guts I mean. I would think cutting through a whole horse even with a really big sharp sword in one hit would very difficult at the least. It'd be a great episode topic. How would you swing one of those swords around?
I should have read the comments before posting the exact same thing...
I mean, it is said in the anime itself, that the blade is less of an actual blade, than a hunk of iron that basically just crushes the enemy. What would concern me more than a horse or a person would be another blade. I would assume that a ~200kg hunk of iron would apply a LOT of pressure when striking another blade, especially considering said hunk probably has a sharp(ish) edge. I'd assume that if Guts were to actually face off with basically any other swordsman, he'd more or less cut through their blade without much problem (and the guy behind the blade as well probably). Honestly, the force of the sword alone should be enough to genuinely throw people around if he strikes them. And I suppose that you can very well cut a horse in half with that blade (severing the spinal chord, not cutting along it), since a horse isn't really that much more robust in build than an entire armoured human - and that blade probably applies a higher force to the horses back (with one strike) than a guillotine would.
This is the kind of presentation I would accept in Biology class
I feel like a lot of theorists take the imagery in the show literally, and completely forget it's anime. Time is screwed with a lot in anime for dramatic scenes, i may look like someone is moving mach one, but it's just the animator's playing with speed, just like how a person can have a full paragraph of thought in a fraction of a second in the show.
You can realistically have that much thought within a second or fraction of a second but it takes a while to explain in words which is likely why they have to screw with time for those 10 second/1 second monologues
To me its a similar effect to jojos ridiculous speeches. "I can stop time for 5 seconds" and then speaks for a minute straight before its over. In the manga they were just speech bubbles, so it didn't create a weird sense of time.
I think that's exactly what's going on with speed in AOT, people take it way way too literally and they're probably the people who unironically don't understand how dio talks for a minute on end in "5" second timestop.
The actual thing you'd need to watch out for are the sudden turns and crazy movement that would actually effect you beyond bruising and exhaustion. Flying foward in a line would likely be doable for a well trained actual person, but then if you apply any sudden turns or momentum shifts from the show, that's where you'd see larger damage, more lasting effects, and is often the aspect that makes a lot of the cannon fodder soldiers die to all kinds of titans.
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You forgot to mention that the guy who strapped himself to the rocket went straight to the hospital afterwards
It's not pretty no:
"But could he see? George Nichols wasn't sure, and what he vividly
remembers from that day, fifty years later, were John Stapp's eyes. He
had suffered a complete red out. "When I got up to the sled I saw his
eyes... Just horrible," recalls Nichols, his voice cracking with
emotion. "His eyes …were completely filled with blood." When the Sonic
Wind had hit the water brake, it had produced 46.2 Gs of force. And for
an astonishing 1.1 seconds, Stapp'd endured 25 Gs. It was the
equivalent of a Mach 1.6 ejection at 40,000 feet, a jolt in excess of
that experienced by a driver who crashes into a red brick wall at over
120 miles per hour. Only it had lasted perhaps nine times longer. And
it had burst nearly every capillary in Stapp's eyeballs." -- KH
Nerdiest THANKS FOR MYDAILY SQUCK EWW
You still have to factor in the surface area that the force is being applied to. 45 Gs applied to the area of a few leather straps would snap Mikasa's back or break other bones. You also have to factor in that she has to hold her blades outward while being accelerated which would be impossible at 45Gs. But it's anime so...
Yeah, I agree with this, but because the anime makes such a deal out of how supportive the gear is (it's strapped across the entire body), I decided not to mess with it. -- KH
To be fair to the writer of the show, mikasa is not a normal human being, she's probably more super human than anyone else in the show and the manga confirms this. Super human strength is one of her traits and her body can definitely take it to, Sasha or Armin are completely human though and aren't really seen doing the same things she does.
Lacrima Do you read the manga? Because there they explain a few things about the people living inside the walls...
MariNee :D How woulf this person know about the Ackerman superpowers without reading the manga?
That's true. Sometimes I get confused on where the anime ended/where it is right now.
You need to remember, they're grappling above their current position, as well as forward, so the grapple pulls them across as well as upward, meaning they don't need to go as fast.
You forgot that they spent 3 YEARS training with 3d- mg
You may train, but you are still a human, and not all the time from those 3 years were spent training with the ODMG
Even if Human able to train for 10000000000 years human bones and skull is still fragile and weak
If titans came in real life we would probably build Jaegers (mechs from pacific rim)
Oliver Croker and they would easily get pushed over... because science
Or uno any modern weapon today would be fine.
Just nuke the Titan.
@@Kumari_44 That may be why titans seem to be prancing, to be that large you would need to be incredibly light otherwise you wouldnt be able to move very much, (elephants as an example)
Uhh... explosives would be so much more efficient and cheaper.
4:13 well that works a little differently when you're pulling yourself towards your target with a cable. If the anchor was shot like 7 meters above your current altitude, then you're not only being pulled in horizontally but vertically too
Wait am I just dumb. Because why would mikasa fall when she's being pulled the the 3D gear, so it would not be the same concept as the 1 bullet being fired and the other isn't but would fall on the ground at the time, but what do I know its anime anything s possible
When she's at more or less the same height as the hook it's vertical component force would be very small and thus not affecting the fall time much
you forgot about the gas canisters. The gas helps propel the user, not just the winches.
The method of pulling isn't as important as the pulling force itself. Regardless, real 3DMG would be a lot bulkier (at least right now). -- KH
The gas could reduce the freefall speed if used to float you up instead of pushing you forward. You could stay leveled out longer and still reach the nape with less Gs.
except in the anime it's used to propel the user, having multiple situations where no gas=no gear
just to speak about the gas, did you do the calculation considering that it could be a vertical force going upward and reducing the free fall speed ? By that I mean considering that the gas is expelled downward
However, Kyle, it's awesome that you responded, thanks
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Da'Trell Pitts me too;!!!
omg pls I NEEEEED THIS!!!! I love because Science :O
Nerdist seriously!? Yeah can't wait!!!
Nerdist oh I seriously hope so. I love because science.
When anime physics is less bonkers than Live Action cinema
You calculated stuff as if they were flying when they're actually grappled on something, which slows downwards falling a lot!
My question is: Would your wrists be able to handle the force of shearing through flesh and muscle at those speeds and G's without breaking?
Really depends what they are cutting through. Seems like titans are softer than humans and they are also not cutting through bones. The way the blades are made also seems to indicate that they would snap quicker than the arms of the person holding them, maybe for this exact reason. They also seem to be very thin, reducing the drag of the blade.
Slim Tony in some scenes they are definitely cutting through the spinal cord based on how deep the cuts look
Unless titans have really weird necks
Slim Tony oh and those blades are specifically made to kill titans
not necessarily. at the speeds they're going, along with any exposed tissue or common anatomy, they can strike the soft spots easily, like an insect sting. plus the blades can be hardened enough to withstand the impacts as well. whether the person can withstand holding it might depend on if the blade cuts straight through or hits any bone or gets caught by something. could then potentially rip the users arm or skin from the hand.
If the blades are rly sharp, then I guess there wouldn't be that much stress on your wrists
Kyle: "Try to feel how heavy your blood is..."
*Cringe looking"
hahahahahahahhaha
Somebody should dub over an episode of attack on Titan an have them saying "owe he got my nape"
Question in if the material the wall is made out of is hardened titan crystal then how do they grapple on to it
The hook is basically made out of "Ultra Hard" steel and it travels 340 m/s which is beyond the speed of sound.
Oh ok makes sense
NICK GER Explains why when they fire it there’s the little cloud and sound equivalent to a gunshot.
@@contessa4490 tea but they couldn't do anything to Annie's crystal, which is titan hardening power. Although, if they were able to grapple the wall, then they should have been able to "mine" Annie's crystal, very slowly, but it would have been possible.
@@kurumi7658 There are different levels of hardening. Armored Titan's hardening, for example, is nowehere near as strong as the Attack Titan's or the Female Titan's. Seems plausible that a regular Wall Titan would have even weaker hardening
The thumbnail got me confused
I thought thor is now watching AoT
Lol
"OH,MY NAPE OHHH LEVI GOT MAH NAPE"
like seriously
Man, one thing. The moment the person using the omd gear free falls under the horizontal line that connects the entry position and the place the grappling hooks are attached to the wall, there are vertical forces starting to work, in some portion cancelling the gravity force. I think this is something you should consider
What about the anti personnel odm gear? Its just grappling hooks with guns on them
I feel like that would rip your arms off :/
Have you ever seen train hoppers jump on a train by grabbing the handles on the doors while its moving? It would constantly yank your arms suddenly and cause shoulder and arm socket problems or just completely remove the arm from the socket.
@@rajandasgupta1082 it has a full body harness
the s4 has something connected to the guns so your arm wont go bye
My reactions:
-Geez,this is the most brutal and bloody thing I've ever seen.
-I-I-I think I will skip lunch.......and dinner.
-Those are...giant naked men. ':-(
Sounds like the ideal show for a man like me.
And AOT isnt even the goriest and most disturbing anime can get. Not even close.
At least they don't have flopping genitalia...
Vlad the Impaler go watch elfien lied
Charles Boyce Please don't talk about it.
Vlad the Impaler tbh it doesnt really affect me because its animation and doesnt look real
they would probably die anyway from turning at those speeds
lets not even talk about how they can just change directions at will when mid air
HECKproductions they use manically air jets
Thats why they have fuel do you see the smoke whenever they fly without a string in any building it is the gas
@I'm done They train
@I'm done yeah. Remember the three years of training it takes minimum to graduate?
Ra awesome Bro, I don’t care if I loved my country, I am NOT going to boot camp for THREE YEARS
I've discovered this chanel and it's amazing!! Great job guy
Gotta remember a second in anime is like 7 minutes of thinking dialogue irl
sir, you do not understand
this happens..
because anime
Well played
Nobody fucking care's
*MY DREAMS CRUSHED*
LOL SAME.. BUT LIKE IT CAN'T BE THAT HARD? Right?
If only there was an alternate dimension where these things were possible...Fuck it, there probably is.
Actually your dreams aren't I am about to fix them, he forgot about the gas repulser that is on the back of the waist of the user which helps the gear go fast and fly higher which he forgot and thought is was just iron wire the shoot and reel. Guess he needs to watch the show carefully.
Titanackerman88 wrong, the gas itself act as the force to spin the fan-like reel, not to thrust the user forward.
@@snowmanleblanc6053 can't it act as both?
Just six years later, JLaservideo would end up creating his very own ODM gear.
They also have those anchors they use to extend their freefall time, because those anchors are always pulling the user towards the point where it is in a wall or a titan
He seems to study mikasa's Body.
Oh god! im not thinking about it!
that pun at the end👍 I so saw it coming, but still loved it.
In the clip you used she was already up to speed when she saw the titan meaning she would not need to accelerate at all. It looks more like "rollercoaster physics" where the only G's pulled are those to change/maintain altitude and turn. I do like how you noticed that the gear generally does pull them ventrally or laterally so they have a higher tolerance to the force. Good job on that one.
Actually, I was watching AOT today, and if you look at the uniforms, they have metal plates on their upper backs, around the shoulder blades, and smaller ones that extend about 3-4 inches above the small of their back
But metal plates can't save you from g force
@@injanammanchey6632 I suppose not, but they would help support the spine, allowing for higher peak g's to be attained
@@Breakdown5297 sounds good
The drop of 1 meter can be mitigated by firing the cables to anchor points above the titan so the user is pulled forward and slightly upward, thereby negating gravity.
An important point you missed is that the man who withstood 45G was strapped in a seat that supported his back and neck. You frequently see the users being bent backwards when their gear pulls them forwards, at 45G their back and/or neck would snap.
Note: The test was on survivability, not safety.
You can survive a broken spine. It is just not safe.
One of his criteria was being able to strike the titan at the end of the maneuver, you can't do that with a broken neck/spine and a broken neck can certainly be fatal.
NoIfsAndsOrButtsCA You can still swing your arm with a broken back, you are generally paralyzed from the break down.
And I never said that a broken neck wasn't fatal.
Smart, Hot and uses the Metric System?!
Ladies, the Perfect Man does exist!
Well... Does he smoke, lie, steal, drink, does he do drugs, and does he drive like a maniac?
Because only by avoiding those things as well, can we men be considered perfect.
Perfect man?
What is this I'm reading?
Perfect?
Jesus Christ guys, its a joke
You ruined it...
Denmark lol that means I m perfect? xD
I think you forgot another factor: you can see in the diagrams between episodes sometimes that there is almost a banded brace system that looks like it's meant to distribute the force from the ODM rig throughout the body. Under significant G force, those bands might also function like compression socks and retain a relative distribution of blood throughout the body. you'd probably need to take a deep breath to oxygenate your blood in anticipation for a big boost but if your blood is being prevented from being forced out of your extremities (or into them) you can tolerate a higher G load
So you're telling me, something is unrealistic about a show with humans who can shift into giants?
Stuff like humans shifting into titans is why we have suspension of disbelief. Whenever someone tries to make sense of fiction e.g, calculating something in a superhero show, some people are like "Well the show has people who shoot lasers out of their eyes and you think THAT is unrealistic?". Well that's because for certain things like I said we suspend our disbelief. So using the fact titans can transform as to why we should let everything slide doesn't work. Regardless ODM gear is cool asf
If the walls are strong enough that titans cant break then how can the grappling hooks of the 3D meneuver gear attach with them. Kyle?
SilverHound 7 might be the force from the hook flying through the air being put on the tip of the hook
SilverHound 7 Anime Logic. Doesn't need to make sense.
Well think about like this a human can't break or hardly scratch a concrete wall but if you shot a bullet at it I would create an indentation or a hole. It's about having a lot of force on a very small surface area that allows the hooks it pierce into wall.
The hook is sharp at the edge and can attach in the wall. And the hook is accelerating very fast so there is enough power to drill into the wall
The walls can be damaged, there is an other reason why they dont attack them to break them directly (spoilers, you can see if you watch season 1 finale/season 2 start) ;)
you can't use Levi and Mikasa because they were born from titan science
Thanks for the spoiler
Mateo Castillo It's kinda your fault for reading the comments. It's pretty much a guarantee that you will find a spoiler in ANY AoT video.
They weren't born from it, their ancestors were. They were born from normal good ol sex.
Ah yeah. Normal good ol' fashioned sex. ... With ASIANS!
You might want to get tested for ADHD
It works
Only on Attack on Titan
P.s jk who knows... in the future
Agreed
Eh. It would work in real life. You should read the Attack on Titan: Before the Fall manga. It's really interesting, and goes in depth about the ODM gear.
Ra awesome Honestly I think the gun odm gear would be much safer than the regular body odm gear, but I think that’s just me lmao.
You should know, you can see the future
@@failed_K Horrible things
I was admiring how nice it looks when he writes in the air when I realized something.
You see, I give classes in VR with a camera pointed at me and that output goes to Zoom.
So I write "in the air" too, but it is flipped, so I learnt how to write backwards so it would look ok for the students.
Then I realized he is using his left hand; but wait... he is not left handed... he mirrored the video output and I could do the same.
I'm just stoopid.
But the skill I cultivated it's not useless because I can use the blackboard on my back and the air on my front at the same time without having to flip the video feed every time.
I wish all science teachers were like Kyle
Hunter C me too :(((
"AHHH MEH NAPE,LEVI GOT MEH NAPE"-Kyle 2017
I wish someone would discuss overall weapons, tactics and the history of warfare in the world of Attack on Titan. Apart from the maneuvering gear, weapons/tactics and in this series-depending on the time period-ranges from medieval to 18th & 19th century to early 20th WWI level.
They’ve all built up a resistance and have built superhuman bodies more or so. They also take more stops to keep them in the air. The thing with Mikasa is that she’s part of the Ackerman clan and they have much more tolerance so most likely 45 G is no where near their limit. Maybe for the average human body, but not these guys. Remember this was 5 long years of crazy intense training.
my kind of thoughts for AOT hmmm....
SASAGEYO SASAGEYO!!!!
A single turn in 45 G forward motion and Mikasa's entrails will be squeezed out of her by the straps.
HORRIOR eh, she's stronger than most humans, mikasa and Levi and the rest of the Titan shifters are the only exceptions in this case. There's a reason why we only see this group moving at insane speeds than compared to people like Jean,conny, sasha.
@@briansantacruz681 yeah. Those guys walk and get close before killing a Titan.
Now someone just has to make some....
*dials up the hacksmith*
“I have a request”
You are awesome! Makes me wanna try it now that I know the science.
How dose a Phoenix spontaneously combust and then be reborn from the ashes
You know how weightlessness is just us going so fast that we are falling to earth but going in a circle at the same time what happens when you are in no gravitational pull
You forgot the part where Mikasa and Levi are Akermans
Ackermans
Guy: "AH! My nape!"
Me: 😐
Guy: "Levi got my nape!"
Me: 😂😍
Wouldn't all that force, being applied to what looked like a utility belt, have an adverse effect on the user?
redstate86 well it's basically like a parachute harness, so the only adverse effects they'd have to worry about are those that come with skydiving. So most likely, serious friction burns and some minor broken bones, if anything went wrong.
redstate86 in the manga and I think also in the anime they ilustrate how the straps extend through the entire body, specially the legs, this is how they are able to control their movements
Ignacio Perez-Maura I don't remember they having some kind of support for their neck tho. And even if they had gear supporting them, they wouldn't be able to move their arms at all during the acceleration. And imagine how insanely heavy the sword would become. :v
Hey here is a good question how do we know that the creators never thought of it this way which is why there are many incosistancies and we are overthinking it? like we put the physics into a scenario where he just wanted to draw something badass
yeah this
ODM gear is unrealistic and unpractical, its usage is obviously dangerous and doesnt make any sense
still cool as fuck tho
Wowowowow I almost forgot that I used to watch Because Science with Kyle! Time to binge again :D
There's trigger in the handle to manuever the Core in you're back like in the scene where Levi tries to kill Zeke then his core suddenly shift left(or right) indicating he pull the trigger
But could 3D Maneuver actually exist?
If you miniaturise the tech then yes
Zano 7 maybe but it probably woudn't be as in the anime or manga, it shouldn't be used in cities either, as those tight corners would kill a normal human, but yeah they are plaussible
Short answer: Kinda.
It depends on what you're using it for.
That makes sense but I don't think that the gas could propel them at that speed.
Zano 7 the gas propeling would probably work fine, just think that that method was used for jetpacks, the problem it would share with them is that it would only last for a sort while, dependig on the eficiency of the tech and the way they use it I'd say a minute, so again, it would "work" in the way it could swing yo from point A to point B but not in the sense that it would alow you to fight titans, at least not for long
dam u Kyle i wanna hate u but your content is just to good. love ur stuff man..
Initial thoughts from the question before I've even started the science stuff: I feel that one of the messed up parts would be what it does to your back, your legs would likely be fine as the kit is on your hips, but everything above, nah- Your back would arch backwards as you accelerate and that would be one, hella uncomfy, and two damaging on your back. I think that problem could honestly just be fixed with a simple metal reinforcements going along the spine and to the shoulders to prevent joint damage.
Now that is what you call a well thought out concept
Fighter pilots use pressure suits for just this reason. Wonder if AoT soldiers use it too, to up their game. Maybe that's what the uniforms are for!
The whole “they would fall” thing doesn’t really matter, since their gas pushes them forwards and up, so uhh... yeah
This is what I thought. The gas is not mentioned in the video, but it could compensate for the "fall", so they don't have to move at such an absurd speed.
@@num9146 nah, the hip mounted grappling hooks are actually pretty fair, you could make a case that they’re gas propelled, giving them the ability to go super fast and actually stick to things
Just to join in on a two-year-old discussion, one potential issue with the measurement of Mikasa's speed (aside from the fact the show dramatizes movement so it's difficult to get an actual read on how quickly she's going) is the fact that she... may not actually be in freefall. ODM gear has a rear-mounted thruster that orients at roughly sixty degrees facing downwards, in the small of the user's back. It's often used for extra speed but it's more commonly used as a source of extra thrust- and we see it during the final battle in season one capable of lifting Mikasa's full body weight as long as her centre of gravity remains stable. So she might actually be hovering forward, rather than falling. Just my two cents.
The two cents that mattered
Man, you are a master at editing, and you really know your stuff from physics class.