Did you know that the name "X-23" is a clever nod to human genetics? I explain in my latest mini-episode over on Insta (instagram.com/sci_phile/). Thanks for watching! -- KH
So... How do you feel about the revelation that Laura Kinney now has two little sisters? One of which (the younger) has both the healing factor and claws. (Gabby is crazy awesome).
Nerdist Not to be sexist or anything but what about hip ratio and weight to power, plus logan has a 100 pound increased weight due to the adamantine skeleton that x23 doesn't have.
*"Kyle is wrong!" FAQ* 1. Yes, getting cut with three blades instead of two would be a worse wound, and would be deadlier. My video is about the cutting power. Given a strong enough material, X-23's two claws could cut deeper than Wolverine's three (also applies to stabbing). It's a boundary case for sure, but that's comic book physics for you. 2. Yes Wolverine is more muscled than X-23, but I assumed equal strength because the are clones, and making a bunch of assumptions about the strength of the sexes would have been impossible. 3. X-23's whole skeleton *isn't* covered. Then she wouldn't be able to grow! 4. I didn't factor in body weights in my strength estimate because we have no idea how X-23's strength relates to her size. In LOGAN she's a child and throws men around like nothing. Also, Wolverine may be heavier, but impact force includes the change in velocity over time in addition to mass. You could just as easily make the argument that X-23 is much faster than Wolverine, and therefore can impart the same forces despite being less massive. Science! -- KH
Nerdist Kyle is WRONG, the claws weight much more than u think, which adds more momentum and more sher power. 3 claws should be much more powerful than 2, since the 3 blades weight much more than you think! You failed this time!
Nerdist - Would I be correct in saying that 2 blades generate more cutting force but also put more strain on the wrist and arms than 3 blades? (Not that it matters to wolverine but just curious)
Nerdist About number two, no it would have been simple. Instead of assuming a male heavyweight boxer, you would substitute a female high level boxer, then compare the total of the two and reduce by that factor.
as far as I know, men and women have the same lower body strength pound for pound. that would make her foot claws better than Logan's single claw move, and it would make her two hand claws about the same as Logan's three hand claws (lack of upper body strength would probably be compensated by superior cutting pressure).
In response to your number 2. and 3. 2. Strength may not even be the most important factor here, but even if it was the assumption of no difference in strength is just as detrimental to your analysis as an askew assumption in favor of male strength. 3. The fact that you realize that X-23 has less skeletal mass 1. because she has less bone mass, hence two claws rather than three, 2. because her entire skeleton isn't coated as Logan's is, makes it clear that you understand that in a swing from each respective character that the momentum they'll have is different. And the momentum is what determines the striking force
Nerdist, my question would be, weight and force. Logan has a full skeleton covered by adamantium, and X-23 only has the claws. Yes genetically they are identical minus a Y chromosome, but the weight behind both will be significantly different. X-23 fully grown should not be more than 120-150 lbs, while i read somewhere that Wolvi was around 350 due to the weight of the adimantium. I would agree with you that she would do more immediate damage, but Wolvi "Logan" would have more raw power in his strikes with full momentum.
The comic book Logan was 5'3" weighed 300 lbs with the adamantium, and 195 without. Hugh Jackman is 6'2", and fully jacked-up for the role looks to be somewhere in the ballpark of 220 lbs. So add the 105 lbs of adamantium to Hugh's filming weight, and you'd probably have no more than 330 lbs of metallized Australian.
it's not 105lb for the adamantium; you're putting it on a guy who's eleven inches taller. Take your 105lb amount and multiply it by the percentage height more, and you're wayy more likely to find yourself in the correct ballpark, though still not nearly accurate. Your equation goes like this to start: 63/74 = 105/x, which yields x = 123 and 1/3, so at movie-Logan's height, you've got something like 123.3 lb of adamantium on something like a 220lb man, making him about 343 lb all told, maybe closer to 350 if we're taking into account width or girth of bones also increasing and requiring more adamantium
yes but her feet claws are and extra advantage, she can kill for people at the exact same time where as wolverine can only kill 2. I love how they added that part about lions in the movie
Same as this... when spider man used only 2 webs in each hands the force was too much for the wall to withstand.. Buy when he used multiple webs in each hand the force,the pressure was less on each part of wall.Hence the train was stopped.
If her skeleton isn't fully coated, then Wolverine wins this game by default, because he(or anybody with reasonably sharp weapons) could just sever her limbs and leave her entirely clawless. I realize the argument presented in the video is based on cutting pressure and PSI and all that jazz, but the titular premise was that her claws are deadlier....and nope.
Also, I'd think in terms of how deadly one's claws are, rather than sharpness(which when compared between the two is effectively a wash...considering the level of 'overkill' in either case), a more determinant factor would be the simple fact that 3 claws(or 6 if he were using both hands) cause three(or 6) separate wounds...while two claws(or 4) only cause two(or 4) wounds. X-23 can only inflict 2/3's of the wounds at once, that Wolverine can, which makes her immediately, and significantly, less deadly than him.
staindwing you're totally wrong since wolverine is fully coated he keeps getting poisoned which hinders his healing factor exponentially and wolverine and x-23 both have special adamantium that bonded with their body somehow which allows them to regenerate it when they regen lost limbs plus wolverine wasn't trained to become the worlds deadliest assassin so his combat skills are far inferior however he is more experienced than her in a battle x23 would probably win however that's just my opinion and we'll never have an answer until wolverine is revived in the comics and then they can both fight and give us the answer
He has a full skeletal coating, which means his limbs are virtually impossible to sever from his body. Her skeleton doesn't have the same luxury, as she only has partial coating. If her claws get severed, she could regrow the limb, and the bone claws, but the adamantium coating doesn't come back with them, and thus they are significantly less deadly.
Not to nitpick Kyle, but Logan is capable of choosing whether of not he uses all adamantium claws or not, ex. the time he flipped off Scott with only one claw. If he opted to use only one claw, then that one claw would take 100% of the .... oh crap ... You debunked my comment as I was writing it ... dammit Kyle ...
hahaha! There was another guy with 1 blade, the guy with no mouth and all powers combined. His got a single blade and is like 3 times as long, that would beat the girl with blade on the legs right?
DarrkPhoenix Uhhh maybe you should read some xmen comics before naming yourself Dark Phoenix. X-23 is technically a female, but she is a genetically identical clone of wolverine, so as long as she worked out and built up enough muscle, then she would be able to be as strong as wolverine
I know that I'm gonna get flak for this, but what about 'Deadpool''s 'katanas' in x-men origins: wolverine? They're much longer and there is only 1. Also, can adamantium cut adamantium?
I'm not going to dignify Barakapool, but the answer to your second question was explored in The Wolverine. When an adamantium katana was heated it was able to cut through other adamantium surfaces.
Josh Reznicek whilst were talking about adimantium i saw the film yesterday and the adimantium bullet can pierce adimantium? but thats not heated and also it goes through a full adimantium skull which is very dense compared to a small bullet can u anwser how please?
actually, the bullet could be denser depending on calibre and how much adamantium was bonded to his skull. the dense adamantium bullet did have far greater velocity and thus had a high amount of kinetic energy also you could argue that the bullet was slightly heated as well so thats how the bullet pierced the skull greater velocity and momentum plus slightly heated
Christopher wills Well good point on the head cos it never says if it was full with adimantium so unless it says somewhere in media its full or not we cant really tell and from the look of the bullet it seemed like full metal jacket coming from a magnum which is high power and velocity and eith the heat the sword from the wolverine (silver samurai) im not 100% but im sure it mentioned somewhere over 2000 degrees to cut adimantium EDIT: Google says 1500 degrees required so how hot does a bullet get?
So there's all the comments about The Mass of Logan being more, giving him more force, which Is true. But there is another part to look at. If either one can already cut through anything, wouldn't 3 claws end up doing more damage than two, making the 3 claw setup more deadly?
no in theory the applied force to cut is Spread evenly over the surface being cut therefor the more blades used the more force needed to apply the same cut (Say the cut force is 12 -X23 would cut 6 deep but Wolverine would only cut 4 deep) Yes the Surface "rake" damage is more but does less cutting / deep damage - Does that make Sense ?
I get what he's getting at. But my point is, if they can both burry their claws to the knuckles. 3 25cm deep gashes is more damage than 2 25cm gashes. who cares if it takes less force for the two blades to do that damage. Im saying that the pressure per blade only makes a difference if it's enough to make one able to cut deeper or further than the other. But since it doesn't seem that there is any material in the marvel universe where that difference is made... force per blade seems to be a moot point. So it comes down to how much cutting is happening.
Even real life folded blades that can cut through most things need to be Wielded correctly or be useless! So if you wanna look at it in a gaming point of view: with a Energy cap of 120 (so numbers are not too high) Wolverines attack deals 30 damage at 30 energy (4 strikes dealing 120 damage) X23 attacks deal 20 damage at 15 energy ( 8 strikes dealing 160 damage) This is not including her leg strikes and even as a Puncture strike they still have the same resistance, Wolverine has found metals he cant cut / struggles to cut through and just cause they are Adamantium does not mean they can cut through all material effortlessly just that is CAN cut through them as in if enough force is applied Adamantium we cut it! **They even explained in the comic he expends twice as much energy as her when fighting unless she soes into her "frenzy mode"**
Archimagus lol these arguments are interesting but people are missing the point. She has more cutting power he has more mass but they are both genetically stronger than any human. That's the main point. They could just kills you in a heartbeat. Plus if you think about it any thug with a "legal" 4 inch blade can fook you up. Sure there are differences but ultimately you wouldn't want to mess with either. Plus crazy me I think the point of this video is actually to show how the displacement of force and cutting force affect things. But you know, that's just silly me.
Jaskaran Mahil even though this is 6 months late the title is which claw is more power not who is more power, at some point in the video he did specify that 'if' they had the same force x 23 claws would cut better
Nobody is forgetting this. Every other comment is about this. Comments older than yours are about this. He was just using the equal strength assumption ro make the calculations easier.
Technically yes logan has more muscle definition on him and likely has much more upper body strength than x-23 because of his training versus x-23s x-23 was raised to be an assassin she was trained in a very brutal manner but her training was more focused on her entire body so technically upper body strength would likely be under-equal however her legs would be stronger than logans. Logans training depending on timeline usually is more derived from soldiers training mostly ww2 depending on storyline anyways. Logan has more emphasis on his upper body and fights in a berserker manner however this doesnt mean he has the edge on x-23 because of one single factor x-23 unless enacted by her trigger is better than logan at keeping her cool in a fight logan tends to get angry and let loose fighting wildly with less precision but laura (x-23) tends to stay calmer as a result of being raised to be a assassin she knows weak points has studied human anatomy and so she is more lethal and less easily beat than logan because of this. Also the hubris of her foes thinking she is weaker because of her two arm claws gains her the advantage with her foot claws which tend to surprise enemies.
It was cool that you mentioned the fact that Wolverine's bones would need to be porous for the sake of blood production. I've thought about that in the past, too, and I think it would be worth exploring in an episode or mini episode.
actually i always thought that his regeneration took care of that, but then again his regeneration seems a lot less scientific and a lot more magical in how it's handled in the comics. I saw him regenerate from nothing but a skeleton which doesn't seem possible so...
chinangel his regeneration also tends to change depending on plot convenience, and writer preference. You pointed out the regenerating from a skeleton thing, but in the days of future past timeline that same injury was fatal, and in old man Logan simply laying his head down on the train tracks was enough to over tax his healing factor for years. Like wise sometimes he can regrow severed limbs, but in Age of Apocalypse time line once he had his hand chopped off it never regenerated. So far wolverine only consistent weaknesses were Carbadium which will stop his healing as long as he remains in contact with it, and the cursed Muramasa blade which is impossible to heal, and even a small wound could eventually ill him if he doesn't carve off the damaged area.
chinangel I remember seeing a video, by comics explained I think that stated his regenerative powers varied in different stories. And his power was described as not being Immortality but more like survival, which is why his body could bond and function with the adamantine. I could be wrong about this though.
You got yourself wrapped up in the numbers. Each blade cuts through armor easily anyway, meaning having more blades gets you a higher chance to inflict lethal damage. In this case you don't want to reduce the area.
@Low Tier BBCFactory also I read in one of the comics, that X23 uprooted a metal door from its hinges singlehandedly, and she has also carried logan's half unconscious body entirely on her back while at the same time climbing out of a pit.
Here is a question that NOONE asked yet. Since X-23 bones are covered in adamantium, wouldn't that stunt her growth since she's barely a teenage (13yrs old approx) And then wouldn't she she be in constant excruciating pain since her still growing bones would be slowly crushed by the adamantium that's housing her bones? This didn't affect Wolverine since he got the adamantium when he was already fully grown. Any thoughts???
in that tokyo movie , wolverines claws were cutted but a adammantium sword than we sawed the bone claws again. after time passes the claws werre adammantium. his body can prduce adamntium ?!?!?
For everyone saying that X-23 is "not a clone" due to her being a girl please do some more research on genetics. Although not cannon, they could have made X-23 with only one sex chromosome. X0, also known as turners syndrome, is not that uncommon. She would still be genetically identical in every way to Logan, as in a normal female one of the 2 X chromosomes is randomly inactivated. The "default setting" of a human is female, the Y chromosome just carries the genetic material for masculinization. This is not the case for X-23 though, as they just used two of the same X chromosome from Logan. Therefore as long as as that one X that was used twice did not carry a deadly mutation, X-23 would go through the process of X-inactivation and develop as a female. If you don't believe me look up X-inactivation. Fun fact this process is what creates the coloration on a "calico" cat.
While your science is good your fandom is lacking on this subject they did not have the complete DNA structure for wolverine and sarah kinney use her own DNA as a substitute so X-23 is more a genetically modified child of wolverine than a clone.
+The10D Everything you said is pointless, because no one is arguing that. We're pointing out how he ignored the FACT that men have more muscle than women, even clones.
you clearly haven't. There may be one obscure version or another that I may not know about where the claws are actually shoe attachments as you have said, but they for the most part are inside her feet. Even if they may or may not have been surgically implanted. The mainstream Earth 616 version in no way has special shoes that specially have claws only built in them like some type of spy shoes with built in knives.
Marijn Tak Thank you the source. You are god now. I would have shared exactly where to read the comics, but I know that troll would have gotten that site taken down like the bitch he was.
AlXnight yeah, true.. If I'm not mistaken, there were a few scenes where X-23 climbed up the sides of buildings using only her claws in the X Men Evolution series
In her origins story, she had three claws. One from each hand was removed, while keeping her awake the entire time, and re-implanting them into her feet.
Chintamani Helekar yeah but there was no where to put them in his arms without breaking the blades in half. the "claws" need to be stored in the forearm to be both effective and stoweable at the same.
+Chintamani Helekar No, he'd be way more efficient than X-23. If you can cut an object with a double claw, you won't even be using the entire claw's area to cut, only about two small spots (one for each claw) are contacting the target at a specific time. With a single claw, the spot that is contacting the target is the exact same size as the double claw's spots, except it's just one spot, making it twice as better. And there's also the fact that longer blades = longer leverage = much more force.
I believe you made a fundamental error, 2 in fact. 1: Laura is not genetically the same as logan as there was not enought genetic material to do the clone they wanted to in the comics. She got the necessary dna from a woman and that is the reason she is a woman and not a man, according to the comics. 2: Women and men have different upper body strengths and that throws off your calculations. She may have enhanced strength but logan has grown stronger with the years after lugging his metal skeleton around and has adapted to it.
James Sprenkle in the movie they said they used "the wombs of Mexican woman's, and ..2 he's not talking about upper body strength but if both of them would have either settup which one would be stronger.
daveen adams Actually he says around the 2:25 mark he makes the assumption they are at equal strength because genetically they are the same person, which once again isn't true like I stated earlier. The science about cutting force is correct, but base assumptions about their strength being equal is flawed. If there wasn't enough dna to perfectly clone logan and they had to use other dna to complete the wholes in the sequencing, Laura, by definition, isn't genetically the same as Logan.
It's just for the sake of simplicity. They are using the example of punching strength of a profesional boxer, Laura has enhanced strength. She is at least as strong as a professional athlete.
33amra33 Logan has enhanced streangth too plus he is a man, so logan would be a lot stronger, and considering his adamantium skeleton i think his punches would be more powerfull then her kicks.
James Sprenkle - Agreed. The gender change alone means she’s not an identical clone. More so, you can’t assume equal strength. Men are inherently stronger than women.
You're mixing up science terms. Yes, 2 blades have better penetration force, but once the tensile strength of the target is exceeded the higher force is irrelevant. At that point the larger number of blades do more damage. One knife hitting a body with 3x the penetration force needed results in 1 stab wound and maybe some bruising around it from the hilt hitting. 3 knives hitting with 1x penetration force each results in 3 stab wounds. which is deadlier?
Chris Evans no I think what he is saying is that he needs to push more to get the same amount of damage and it would only be a very small amount. it is the same reason a blade that is dull, or something that isn't a blade, a blunt object doesn't stab, because the matter is all so much closer together, but this is a very very very small amount of matter spread out over about an inch each time so it is not really about the force. it's like when your mom says go get a switch, and you know you better pick the thicker stick, but that's more also about surface area
FatGamerGuy um i don't think that would work because the claws come out from between the bones in he arm and over the wrist, that you mean he would just pull her arm off, which I don't think would happen. it would be more likely that he shoved his claws up into her arms and pried them out.
Yes this is the point. It doesn't take 200M or 300M PSI to cut flesh or body armor (maybe Sherman's skin?). Against most foes, the higher number of blades will do more damage.
I don't know that I would have said "deadlier" when comparing them. When I was in my late teens I built a working version of the Devil's forks from Matt Wagner's very excellent "Grendel" series. When I tested it I learned about how the surface area of the cutting edge(s) affects the penetration of the edge in a slashing attack. Long story short, it requires more force to achieve the same slashing penetration with two blades mounted side by side than it does for a single blade. Noticably more. This lead me to believe that Wolverine's claw setup would be unfeasible as a slashing weapon *for regular humans* due to the forces involved to get the blades to penetrate deeply enough to be signficant. I even had an extra advantage in that my blades were mounted on a lever. So from that perspective, X-23 has the advantage: it requires less force to create significant penetration in a slashing attack using two claws. With a stabbing attack, however, Wolverine probably has the deadlier setup. When I tested the forks for stabbing power, while it does require more force to penetrate with a stabbing attack just like in a slashing attack, it's nowhere near as much of an increase. A regular person could easily muster the force to stab with two blades side by side. A third blade would require still more force, but I believe it would be a doable feat. Inside a target they' be difficult or impossible to cut with in a straight line, but getting them in there is within regular peoples abilities. However, cutting in a straight line isn't the only option. Once the blades are in the taget, you also can twist them. This would cut a circular "core" from the target, creating a hole that can't be easily closed not unlike the wound from the (totally against the Geneva Convention) triangular bayonet, but bigger. Wolverine's claws would be wider, so he would cut the bigger hole, so his would be deadlier in this case. Realistically, both would produce horrible wounds that would resist doctor's attempts to heal them. For regular people with regular strength, they would be awkward and limited. Both would be deadly, but more "practical" in different ways.
Looks like someone didn't watch the entire video, huh? Attention span less than 6 minutes? X23 also has a single blade, on her legs, and legs have even more force than hands.
Fisho D I don't think attention span is the problem. The fact that this video is using the argument that 2 is better than 3 they should have immediately included the ability of Logan to produce 1 2 or 3 blades in the beginning of the argument. It made me angry they didn't address that and after getting mad about it I didn't care about the rest of the video
Ignoring the feet claws (because I think that's just stupid), this argument is pretty pointless, because Wolverine can use any combination of his three claws. He just as easily could only ever use one or two.
Legs are stronger so it kinda makes sense. Wolverine also can't control how many claws he has when in berserker mode where he gets the most strength. X-23 only has 2 on each hand to work with and one on each foot. Makes her cutting power stronger. Wolverine could still beat her ass without even using his claws.
+Nerdist That point is still wrong, because a 150 pound woman can't kick with more force, than a 350 pound man can throw a punch. Because Science. Stop trying to be a SJW here.
Your right about her claws being more dangerous in cutting power than wolverine but some of the numbers are wrong in this video 1. Just because she is a clone does not mean that the two are the same strength, men have a greater muscle mass then woman that is why men are generally stronger than women 2. Logan is also stronger because X:23 does not have a full animantium skeleton only her claws were coated in it, I mention this because recently in the comic where Logan dies it is mentioned that the only reason he is able to stand due to all the extra weight he got from the adamantium is because his healing factor increased how much his muscles tense and how much they can carry due to X:23 not having this happen to her body they do not slash with the same force as each other that's why some of your numbers were incorrect
You have raised many, many questions: 1) What about the extra weight a third blade brings to the table? Does Wolverine swing harder when his claws are out, than when two of them are retracted in his arm? 2) If Wolverine has to cut through an opponent like the Hulk or DC's Superman, would it be more effective to use the added swing of three claws, or the higher pressure of a single one? What if he practiced a technique where he swings with three blades, then retracts the two at the last moment, giving him more pressure AND more swing? (You spin faster when you swift some mass towards the center of your rotation) 3) Does X-23 hurt more when cutting through stuff? Yes, she does. Try poking a solid object with one finger, then two, then three, then four. This also applies to Sabretooth, and Yuriko from X2 (Lady Deathstrike). 4) Can Wolverine change his physique? How does working out affect him? Does he have a constant 3% body fat? Can he become stronger only by eating, metabolising carbs and protein, and peeing fat? Does his healing factor come with a higher growing up rate? Does he actually pee fat? 5) What else do I have to ask to be featured on your channel/Twitter/Instagram? 6) Wolverine pees fat and cigar smoke, doesn't he?
Just a piece of insight, you don't "pee fat", when you burn fat, most of it is exhaled. And also, Wolverine is heavier, but if they have exactly the same strenght and muscles, X-23 will be way faster considering she has less weight to move around, meaning a less heavy but way faster blow, and since speed = power, we'd have to calculate that. Also you'd have to take into consideration that women, in boxing (since we're talking about some kind of punch) have way more POWER compared to men the same weight, because the power in a punch comes from the ground, then with the kinematic chain goes up the legs, then the hips, the shoulder, the arm and at last the fist. Men lose a lot of power at the hips area because we're naturally way less flexible here. Meaning if a woman has exactly the same strenght and the same technique than a man, she'll hit way harder.
J C You forgot to quote the "...of the same weight..." part. I personally don't know if that is correct, but it makes your argument (comparing to a heavier man) pointless. Also: Men are not a "species", they are a "sex", and "humans" is a species, not a race.
J C I sense that your native language isn't english, because what you're writing doesn't make sense, neither grammatically nor semantically. I do however, think that I understand what you're trying to tell me, so don't worry about that. Here is a correct way of writing (at lest part of) what I believe you are trying to say: "Men were made to be the dominant gender of the human species." The way you express yourself also implies that you are religious (use of the word "made"), but that might not be intentional on your part. I personally am not, so I don't agree on there being a predetermined role for either gender, beyond the basic biological functions (only women can carry children etc.). Who is dominant depends on more than physical power, although history shows that men often end up in that role. Have a good day
I thought it made perfect sense as animals generally have claws on all 4 limbs. Plus i thought they explained it well with the whole maternal defense explanation in female lioms.
Kinda/sorta yeah. Wolverine has far more raw experience with his samurai skills and all of that, especially since he recovered all of his memories of centuries of killing. If they berserk however that flips around; her overall finesse and skill while "triggered" (no seriously, it's called trigger scent what sets her off, try to mention that to the feminists) retains far more skill than Logan does, where Logan just goes utter animal and forgets all of those perfect killing styles he's mastered in favor of what he basically learned in his very earliest years. At that stage hers is also the better regeneration and strength because his fully covering adamantium skeleton is keeping him back; she won't ever be able to strike a killing blow so with a vs the fight goes to him always, but against other foes it kinda depends. It does make her a bit more interesting than just as a genderflipped version of the same character. (EDIT: Note that as X-23 is not strictly his clone but more like his daughter as a human woman's DNA was used in place of genetic material they were lacking, and like Daken she may have gotten a different total power set as a result. This hasn't really been explained much, as to which degree she really has his powers, if she would have his super strength and full regen, or a lesser version.)
I think the bigger factor is the arrangement of claws between the two characters. While individual cutting force may vary, both are far more than sufficient to destroy most materials and adversaries. The claw arrangement then comes into play--both X-23's and Logan's hand claws are essentially static--whether there are two or three claws, they remain at the same distance and angle relative to each other, essentially acting as one attacking unit. The claws are stuck to the arms, and each of them only have two arms, therefore two appendages with which to both attack and defend. If you can block/parry/dodge Logan's hands, you can do the same with X-23. What X-23 brings to the table is the foot claws--while maintaining the same physical amount of claws, she's doubling the number of striking appendages. This gives her the advantage in both offense and defense--she simply has more tools to strike with.
That GOTG reference made me break out of my scientific awe and chuckle a little. Nice one, keep up this great scientific work, it's such a fun way to learn.
I was wondering this myself. She may not have any adamantium in her skeletal bones but her claws presumably will grow like the rest of her bones until adulthood. So yeah unless she somehow loses those claws she will still have the child sized claws as an adult due to the adamantium coating preventing them from growing larger.
O'Rusty5891 Wolverine and X-23 ' healing factor caused a molecular change in the adamantium turning it into beta adamantium. Beta adamantium is just as strong and durable as primary adamantium, but it doesn't interfere with the biological processes of bone. That's why laura's claws grew as she got older, and wolverine can still produce blood cells.
although she is his clone, she still is a female version of him, therefore, her muscular density will be lower and as a direct consequence, she will not be as strong as he is. So, kinda makes the whole thing not so straight forward
Kick is still stronger than the hand, so in your theory her kicks should be equal or slightly poweful than wolvies slashes anyway, even if wolverine uses only 1 blade.
Fisho D wolverine is still more powerful because he has a whole adamantium skeleton versus Laura, who could be more easily disabled, making Wolverine more powerful
Oh my god the ending of this video is me with everything every day.... Must... Analyze... Everything... Must... Make... Logical.... hahahaha thank you Kyle, you fuckin' rock man. And thank you Nerdist for being here! Cheers from Oregon!
Actually... Wolverine can apply more force if they have equal strength/force. Wolverine's claws are reinforced by adamantium skeleton... so he can apply more force... where as X-23's are reinforced by regular bones (I don't know about her sockets.. wolverine does have adamantium ones inside.. they still gotta pierce his skin.) Say you throw a bowling ball at X-23... the blades will cut it, but.. and this is important.. the balls weight may rip the blades out of her hands/arms... where as Wolverine having a stronger skeleton means.. he will never have to worry about the limiting force he can apply because the "foundation" so to speak, of his claws. Kind of like how unrealistic the bionic man and woman was about their bionic parts and strength... their bionic arms would be ripped from the shoulder on some things they do... same goes for the Winter Soldier. I like how they now show Old Man logan, when using his claws to climb does them sideways.... because, if he did it straight up and down he'd have to use a lot of energy because he'd just keep sliding down. X-23 wouldn't have the same problem because she's lighter and has a normal skeleton.. oh... Wolverines skeleton and claws are affected by his healing factor, meaning he can actually regrow them with Adamantium ... this means Laura Kinney , being his clone, would end up with the same ability... I call it being able to metabolise the adamantium. Her healing factor is actually faster, not because she's younger (all mutant types like Wolverine and Sabretooth are basically immortal until killed.. there is one from the times a Rome Remus... which makes me believe Old Man Logan's slower healing factor might be from his killing the X-men in his reality... because in the past The Dark Phoenix Jean Grey and Rachel Summers has used their telekinetic powers to affect it before so it took a very long time for it to get back to normal... But, the reinforced skeleton behind Wolverine's claws means he'd always be able to apply actually more force, where as X-23's would be limitted by her normal skeleton's ability to reinforce her claws.
Except that what holds the claws isn't bone, but connective tissue. The connective tendons and ligaments are what determines whether the claws stay or fly off. My problem with the foot blades is that the blade is extending from the foot, not the femur. You can pierce with that, but there is no way to get a proper edge alignment and cut like that. Not tho mention that while legs are stronger than arms, that really does not apply to sustained force unless you are standing on the target. Kicking puts you on one foot and that removes any ability to support you might have, deflecting a kick can easily knock a person off balance, and isn't capable of maintaining the sustained force needed to cut through resistance.
While offensively X-23 seems to have the edge over Wolverine (pun intended), defensively, it makes sense for wolverine to have a three claw set up. For the same reason that his three-clawed setup applies less pressure when used to slice or pierce when receiving a force, Wolverine's claws would more equally disperse the force over all three of his claws, reducing the pressure put on each claw. While the biomechanics of a full adamantium skeleton are a bit lost on me, I can imagine that his tendons and muscle groups that control his claws in his forearms are still susceptible to wear and tear. Even if he can regenerate, the three-clawed set up means that wolverine can withstand 1.5 times as much pressure as X-23 before yielding. Especially when looking at how X-23 is smaller and supposedly more nimble, has one claw on each of her feet, and does not have the Wolverine full armour treatment tactically, it makes sense that while Wolverine is more like an unstoppable force because of his full skeleton and claw arrangement, X-23 is more of an offensive powerhouse than her original. battle practicality aside, this is a pretty interesting dynamic.
Hi Kyle, I think the problem with your analysis is the assumption that the two swing with the same force. Even if genetically a clone of Logan, X-23 is still a woman/girl, and because of this her physical structure, skeleton, and muscular structure are different. The fact that Logan can fit three claws in his forearm, or even just comparing their physique to each other should tell you that. Because of this the amount of adamantium coated bone in each character's arm are different and this effects the amount of momentum their respective swings have. The change in momentum is what dictates the impact force of their claw strikes and it is the impulse, or force at a specific time, that you are highlighting in your F/A=P equation we are interested in.
No, X-23 does not fit into a traditional model of "Women have less muscle mass" which I will give you is a real world issue. In the comics, however, X-23 and Logan both have well above human levels of strength, and Logan is unable to physically restrain X-23 in most cases. Taking this into account, we can assume that their strength is roughly equivalent, despite her physique. Also at the levels of strength we're talking about, a difference of less than 200 lbs in body weight is negligible.
Cody Rhodes My mention of muscle mass and skeletal mass were to highlight the difference in total mass between the two characters. Which effects the momentum of their strikes. Wolverine weighs 300lbs X-23 weighs 110lbs this is a massive difference in the amount of momentum their strikes would have. This is why in fighting we have different weight classes even if their strength is somehow comparable their momentum still wouldn't be. Mass is a much higher contributor because strikers speeds are usually also comparable with differences in velocity not being enough to out match differences in mass
***** But what I'm saying is strength isn't the important characteristic, mass is. Even if X-23's muscles are somehow equally strong as Logan's it is clear her mass isn't. And what effects striking force is the change in momentum of whatever you are striking with. Logan will have a much larger momentum because he has more mass. X-23 being just as strong, _which i don't think is true but ok_ , would mean she is faster but the difference in their speeds wouldn't be enough to compensate for the difference in mass 300lb vs. 110 - again not about strength but momentum
I'm sorry to say you got some facts wrong. First, X-23 is a female clone so there IS a difference in how much force the two of them can put out, the same way you would be stronger than a girl with equal training, height, etc. Then, while your science facts are right, your comic book knowledge is wrong, the Weapon X program gave X-23 the adamantium in the same way they gave it to Logan, but she only has it in her 6 claws and not in her full skeleton like him. This fact is important because it means Wolverine can actually put all the force he can into his claw swipes while Laura cannot, since her adamantium claws trying to slice some really hard material with enough force would actually break her arm and maybe more of her bones, and Logan can go full force since his bones can take the force of the reaction. So Logan would be actually able to hit harder than Laura because he's physically stronger as a man, and can go full force, while Laura has to limit the amount of force she can use without breaking. Also, her claws are a little smaller than Logan's, and both of them achieve superhuman strength because the healing factor allows them to go further where you and I would sprain every muscle trying.
hitting with a foot bend 90 degrees is hardly possible. 90 degrees is needed since the cutting edge is horizontal and not vertical and it gets you out of balance fast.
2:20 Except logan's adamantium bones make him stronger (having to carry all that extra weight for centuries, so she's much lighter and has less force behind her blows), he's considered as having some degree of superhuman strength, as well as a female frame just not being able to hold as much upper body muscle as a man. So you're starting out with incorrect info on any force applied. But yeah, just debating claws alone, hers might be better weapons.
It's not poor science at all. Even boy/girl twins with similar facial and body features can vary greatly on internal body such as blood pressure, cholesterol, hormones, etc.
The reason X-23 is female is because of how Wolverine was cloned... genetically, males are XY, females are XX. I can't remember all the details, but basically they took half of Wolverine's XY gene and folded it over. Creating a YY doesn't work, but the XX results in a female. It's in the comics. That aside, this video is full of holes.
Yes, she is a clone of Wolverine, but she is not a genetically IDENTICAL clone. There are several traits that are ONLY carried on the Y chromosome, which she does not have. She is a clone of only HALF of Wolverine's genetic structure. She gets none of his Y chromosome traits.
(If 2 claws are beter then 3 then 1claw is beter than 2 then 0 claws is beter then 1) If Logan is this strong and his blades are very sharp Then he will do more damage than X23 because the area that Logans claws penetrate is bigger than X23s and Logan is doing more damage.
X-23 is much faster, much much faster. She doesn't have all her bornes made of adamantium, only the claws. Which mean she doesn't have to carry all the weight of metal as Logan does. More speed also means more force.
This argument is flawed because it presumes that Wolverine and X-23 are equally strong because they have the same genetics. However, Wolverine is physically bigger with muscle. I know lots of people like to believe in equality between the sexes, but the size of the muscles in Wolverine's manly build will make him stronger than X-23's smaller, feminine build.
they explain this in the comic that she is less brawler and uses martial arts attacks that use force of speed to inflict high damage (more thrusts and sweeping blade strikes Vs Wolverines rake attack style) the only thing i can say is somewhat of a trade off is that her full body is not coating (Joints break easier) BUT this also has increased her Healing factor to a much higher level than Wolverines!
Kevin Conk As a huge Wolverine fan, part of why he's so buff is he's always carrying an extra 100-120lbs of adamantium.. he's like 300lbs lol and only 5'3 haha so yeah his bulk helps with that but he should hit harder, because his arm is twice as heavy, and he's probably about 20-30% stronger taking into account all variables. So I agree and also disagree... SCIENCE!
it only works out to be about 112 pounds of Adamantium Spread out over his whole body including his Claws so not as much in his arms as on would think ;) he also using more energy to move around and is always healing as his body takes internal damage in places where normal bones would flex!
U lost me halfway but here's my argument: U said it yourself: "These claws can cut through anything!" Well, explain the point of there being more powerful than something thats already the most powerful
They cover how the weapon-x program deals with the pores in one's bones for red blood cell transfer in the weapon - x novel. They used hollow microbots to enter the pores to allow the cells to leave the bones. So I am quite certain they did the same for x-23.
SOMEONE HELP PLEASE. wait. so, if she has an adamantium skeleton, and it was injected when she was a kid, then what happens when she's an fully grown? she has as much adamantium as she needs right now, but as she grows, won't she need more metal? And if adamantium is unbreakable and X23 isn't done growing yet, does that mean that the metal will conform her in short child stature for the rest of her life? or will it break and reform and slowly get thinner/weaker as she grows? --but Wait. her metal isn't part of her genetics, so does that mean it can't heal when it fractures through her growth into adult hood? I'm really confused and I just thought of that. so.... idk. what's your take on it?
Jibrael Nagales Wait. So then she CAN grow to full size. But... what happens then if she gets her arm cut off? Brandon Colin Btw. That's exactly what these videos do. Sooo....
thomas corbin Well. Wolverine can't get his arm cut off. It'd just be cut down to the bone. And it's always heal back. But if X23 gets her arm cut off it'll heal back, but she wouldn't grow back her claw on that arm, Because it wasn't part of her genetics. Right?
Adamantium's durability has less to do with weight than it does with resilience. Logan is 5'3" tall and without his adamantium weighs 195 lbs. With it, he weighs 300 lbs. His body has been reinforced but adds only 105 pounds of total weight.May 7, 2012
Stavros Chaichi I think its more of strength vs speed...but I think it would be a bit better if its 1 blade with the weight of 3 blades. the weight is more on the non sharp part. kinda like a machete.
Do an episode on healing factor. Wolverine is constantly being poisoned by a lethal dose of adamantium poisoning because his full skeleton is encased in adamantium but X23 only has her claws encased by adamantium. Another question is if having a full adamantium skeleton makes a significance because your limbs are harder to get cut off or if it's useless because you can just re-attach severed limbs and heal or totally regrow the limb. I dunno if Wolverine or X23 can heal that good but Deadpool might be.
Only her claws are coated in adamantium. Also, logically that means here claws will be child sized forever, but knowing Marvel they will just give a bullshit reason for why her claws grew longer as she aged.
Wolverine's bones aren't the garden variety adamantium. They are adamantium beta. And since him and X-23 are genetically identical her bones are also composed of adamantium beta. Adamantium beta can grow and heal with bones. Which means she can grow to full size with little worry.
I think you mean women are physically weaker than men. Genetics don’t really matter. Women in general can’t build as much muscle as men can without the help of hormones, steroids, and protein supplements. They can still build some visible muscle, but they cannot get super beefed up like men can. Much less get as strong as men. Men are stronger and meant to carry more weight because of their greater body mass. Women have lesser body mass than men do, therefore they are not meant to carry heavy loads or build as much muscle like men. In a fight, men rely on their upper body strength to strike their opponents. Sometimes men would use their entire body weight. When women fight, they rely on agility. Women distance themselves from their opponent before they strike the vulnerable soft spots and vitals, as they cannot rely on their body weight or upper body strength. Overall, men have the upper hand in strength, women have the upper hand in agility.
A female is generally weaker IN THE REAL WORLD. We are talking about superhero comics/films, where mutant powers are closer to magic than to real-life abilities. Assuming the same strength for simplicity makes sense, there's nothing in that movie stating that the different proportions of strength in mutants according to the gender apply in the same way they do in the real world.
He said assuming they are both fully grown. I guess you could say that women are smaller than men, but that is just an average. Given that X-23 is a clone, I would guess that her adult body mass is similar to that of Logan. Plus only arm strength would really matter in most situations.
He said "assuming they had the same force behind them" to remove that variable. He was judging the power of the claws themselves, not the people wielding them.
i know this is late to the party, coz I rewatched this and never thought of the question until now. good point, wouldn't logan die quicker because red blood cells couldn't get to his bones?
But wolverine is a man (and extremely well built at that), and therefor applies more pressure than any female could ever muster. Case closed. Problem, feminists?
He specifically brought their swing force into consideration, and set them as equal. (which they are not) Then went on to add that x-23 also has a blade on her feet. If it were just about the blades, her leg strength wouldn't matter either.
Yeah but a male and female twin will be genetically the same but the male will be stronger because he will have higher bone density , greater muscle mass and more testosterone. Even if they did have the same strength somehow (which they wouldn't) the male would still be able to create more force because he would be heavier.
Except they're not, because x-23 is a woman, meaning she can only be 50% identical to Wolverine. You can't clone a man and magically end up with a woman. That was just really poor writing on Marvel's part. A Y chromosome doesn't just happily turn into an X chromosome.
Angus Mccarten did u not even pay attention? he covered that, x-23 has single claws on each foot and a foot kicks twice as hard as a fist can punch so x-23 still has the advantage.
+Brett Casale which is basically his way of saving face and choosing preferred info for the sake of making his point more favorable. Aka, cherry picking. He goes on the whole video talking about the hand blades. Proceeds to make a flipping the bird joke, and then brings up the foot blades completely at random close to the end of the video. I'm pretty sure x-23 rarely even uses her foot blades. We hardly see them being used in media, and it's the first time I'm sure a lot of people have heard this. Did you already know about these feet blades before coming into the video? And don't say you do cause you choose to quickly look up sources after I bring this question up. If these feet weapons were brought up more in comics, I apologize cause I'm not well versed in her comic lore as well. For all we know, this is probably just an exclusive trait to one specific comic strip/set. Which makes said point about the footsie knives all the flimsier. Though I could be wrong.
+Salim Proctor But how strong is Vamp Jubilee? Could be more of a skill feat. She was taught by Wolverine who once bested Shang Chi without using his claws.
Salim you are right on your own merit, but she is weaker because of mass, muscle mass, and how much force she can put into her attack without fracturing her own bones. Wolverine is stronger because he can not fracture his bones and can exert way more force. I do not believe she is weaker just because she is female. Like you may be calling out on others.
Acktualy *spits* Laura is not the 23 attempt at cloning wolverine, she is just the 23 expremint in the X-Series. Cap is X-1, Wolverine is X-10, skinless man is somewhere on there aswell.
No. Cap is the 1st super soldier. After cap there were multiple experiments on humans and animals. Logan is 10th attempt on the "super-soldier" program hence why the X (10 in roman numerals). Laura is 23rd attempt to clone Logan and only successful
@@Laki2006 He's a fighter by nature. He was pretty much constantly fighting or doing some kind of manual labor. That stuff can turn guys into brick walls of humanity in 5-10 years. Imagine 100+ years, plus never worrying about torn or otherwise damaged muscles.
But that is also a disadvantage. It's fine when you are cutting soft things, but when they are against hard objects, Logan has an advantage. 3 claws are spread over the entire fist so the force applied on his fist is evenly distributed. In case of X-23, she just has 2, on the 2 corners of her fist. If she hits something hard with max force, there's a chance that her fists will rip apart before she can cut the thing. For example, Take a plank of wood. If you jump using your entire body weight and land on 5 fingers on the plank, you will break it. But if you use 1 finger and apply all your body weight on the plank, even though you will exert a lot more force, there's a high probability that you'll break your finger before the plank breaks. Same thing, even if her claws are capable of delivering strong blows, her fists won't be able to handle as the object gets harder. This gives Logan an advantage because he can decide how many claws he need for particular requirement.
So, less blades = better. Conclusion: That shut-face deadpool we all hate has the best claw power. Nope. Even deadpool hates that deadpool. Nope. Single blade on foot is better than single blade in hand? Really? Strength is not all you know... Aim is much more important when dealing with blades.
Nerdist she doesn't have super strength because Logan doesn't have super strength. His exceptional level of strength comes from the fact that he's a berserker and his healing factor allows him to use more of his muscles since the tearing is healed almost immediately.
disagree The use of less amoung of blades is efficion against an armor that can resist an attack like. But in the film there are no such thing. The more blades = more material devartated per blow. furthermore Laura will never grow up, the skeleton will never grow because it's metal. And she will never get the same muscle weight and power as a full grown man like Logan
Renat Gal I agree, and even if she does grow up, as a woman biologically I doubt she'd reach the raw power of her father, but she would have agility going for her, however that's not really relevant to the discussion.
Just a side note.... The return pressure (pushing the blades back up) would also be 1.5x higher, meaning a 1.5x greater force is acting on the back of X-23's hands with each swipe, this force very likely hurts (even assuming that there is a counterweight to minimize this force). So it is likely that X-23 would swipe with less force, subconsciously, than Wolverine (although, admittedly, it would still result in a greater force, just unlikely the force you reached).
But logicly Wolverines claws are better becuase he can still push out one blade or two or three at the same time if he wants as we have seen in some movies with Wolverine. So then he has one more blade than X-23 and the same cutting power! That makes him better becuase, well, he has one more backup blade!
Wouldn't wolverine be stronger because genetically because he is a man rather than a woman he would produce more testosterone which would make him have more muscle growth
if superhuman strength was a power passed on then gender would have little effect superhuman strength in comics doesn't have to be related to gender or visible muscles, this was translated in the movie as well when her agility was superior and strength was comparable to logan impressive for a person her age
No, Slow=Torque =Strength Speed =Weakness (there's probably a better way to word that) What I mean is the more torque (the slower) something has, the more force/strength it will have. And the Faster something naturally is, the weaker it will be. While although you need to be going faster to make practical use of something like wolverine's claws combat wise, "speed=power" is completely false.
But she would. Regenerative mutants don't work like average bodies do. Wolverine is close to super strength, but he's not the size of Colossus or Sentry. He's built like an average guy. Muscle mass rules don't apply here. Their muscles don't have to expand to contain the increased power due to them being in a constant state of repair. It's why Wolverine rarely gets out of breath. So, as an adult, she absolutely would be on par with him, and close to Captain America in strength, if not beyond. That's not even factoring in that she's more willing to give into feral rage than Wolverine, giving her an even deeper reserve of strength more often. So don't try that PC garbage. Mutant powers don't play by the laws of physics and reality. That's why they're so unnatural.
@gshsgfhgsfdz Being P.C. my ass, geez, we are not even talking about HUMANS in the film, we are talking about MUTANTS, with abilities that are closer to magic than to real life abilities. A female mutant whose power was strength could be stronger than five Wolverines combined if a plot demanded that.
Timed Revolver It doesn’t matter how strong she is or how primal she gets. She simply doesn’t have the mass. She doesn’t have an adamantium skeleton like Logan, which means she ‘s going to be a bit heavier than a very athletic woman. That’s less than 200 lbs. Even if she has super strength, she doesn’t have the mass to be able to resist the forces pushing back against her to successfully move objects that are substantially heavier than her. The only reason Logan is so abnormally heavy for his size is because of his adamantium skeleton. Remove this, and he would suffer from the same problem. If X-23 exerted her full strength and primal rage, she would still have a lower potential of maximum force she could apply without being given some way to mitigate the forces being applied to her. Their cutting capacities aren’t feats of strength anyway, as an average human could cut through just about anything pretty easily with adamantium blades, so having excess cutting power is pointless. Whatever they cut is still cut.
the problem with these is a couple of factors 1. Strength/pressure applied to the cutting force of which Wolverine has in abundance more than X23 but also 2. The distance between claws - With the three claws, logan has greater chance to inflict a more devasting wound or hit a target whereas two blades (especially the distance apart on the hand) m3eans that that degree of accuracy (chance) is reduced but also presents a fundamental flaw in another bladed weapon. As an example, spot the difference in gaps between the Predators Wrist blades vs V23s and then make that assessment. The only thing that made X32's claws better was the variety of location, 2 on the hand and one of the foot meant a larger arc of damage and range of attacks.
I have a topic for you about wolverine pertaining to the new Logan movie specifically. Logan has a very slow healing factor and it is said that the adamantium is poisoning him. That doesn't make any sense to me thought because for it to poison him it would in theory need to rust. Adamantium is indestructible so it cant rust. I would just really like to get your take since you explain things scientifically.
I don't know if this has been pointed out but Wolverines force per hit would be significantly higher than X-23s due to his entire skeleton being covered in adamantium whereas X-23 only has it on her claws. Adamantium is quite heavy when it's solidified and due to Wolverine having to carry that around for years his strength level would be much higher (as shown when he throws enemies around like rag dolls). Now when X-23 slashes the extra weight of her claws being extended would increase the force of her blows but when Wolverine does it's a lot more forceful (both due to his entire arm being weighted and he has more weight at the end due to the extra claw itself). Think swinging a baseball bat; X-23 hits the ball with the end of the bat (optimal zone) but Wolverine hits it with a bat made of cement. That's just my opinion though.
BOOM!!! Mind blown. As I was watching this video, I'd asked myself how X-23 would become an adult in the comics if, like Wolverine, her entire skeletal structure was coated in Adamantium. Then the end of the video arrives. Kyle blew my mind. BOOM!!!
Counterpoint: Three cuts very close together is a much harder injury to deal with than two farther apart. Stitching them closed would be a nightmare, so while Wolverine's claws don't impart as much cutting power., the wounds they inflict are more likely to be lethal.
remembering Logan can control the blades individually and he can have 1 out at a time so he could distribute the force on a single claw but X-23 has 2 claws, and retracting 1 means there's a rotational component on the off to the side claws
what i want to know is, the movie logan had x 23 at roughly about 8 years old, her body (claws) did not finish growing yet, so wouldn't there be an area that was not covered with adamantium? i've thought about that since the movie came out....
Im no comic books expert, so correct me if im wrong. I soppose the bones are coated in adamantium, and not made of adamantium. What would happen to the joints and tendrils when the adamantium was aded to their bodies? Cientificaly, can they move so normaly if all their skeleton was made of metal? I know there are prostetic implants made of metal, but even does cause some problems sometimes. But what would the effects of a full metalic skelleton be?
However, defensively, Wolverine still has the edge because more area, means he has an easier time deflecting. If you think about it, it sort of goes along with the protector theme.
having claws on both her hands and feet rather then just on her hands like wolverine, gives x23 twice as many limbs with claws there by effectively doubling her effectiveness
Did you know that the name "X-23" is a clever nod to human genetics? I explain in my latest mini-episode over on Insta (instagram.com/sci_phile/). Thanks for watching! -- KH
you mean Lauren Kinney yeah.
Is there anything positive with 3 claws instead of 2?
Nerdist Omg lol, yeah. There are 23 chromosome pairs in human DNA. Kudos to nerdish writers.
So... How do you feel about the revelation that Laura Kinney now has two little sisters? One of which (the younger) has both the healing factor and claws. (Gabby is crazy awesome).
Nerdist Not to be sexist or anything but what about hip ratio and weight to power, plus logan has a 100 pound increased weight due to the adamantine skeleton that x23 doesn't have.
*"Kyle is wrong!" FAQ*
1. Yes, getting cut with three blades instead of two would be a worse wound, and would be deadlier. My video is about the cutting power. Given a strong enough material, X-23's two claws could cut deeper than Wolverine's three (also applies to stabbing). It's a boundary case for sure, but that's comic book physics for you.
2. Yes Wolverine is more muscled than X-23, but I assumed equal strength because the are clones, and making a bunch of assumptions about the strength of the sexes would have been impossible.
3. X-23's whole skeleton *isn't* covered. Then she wouldn't be able to grow!
4. I didn't factor in body weights in my strength estimate because we have no idea how X-23's strength relates to her size. In LOGAN she's a child and throws men around like nothing. Also, Wolverine may be heavier, but impact force includes the change in velocity over time in addition to mass. You could just as easily make the argument that X-23 is much faster than Wolverine, and therefore can impart the same forces despite being less massive. Science!
-- KH
Nerdist Kyle is WRONG, the claws weight much more than u think, which adds more momentum and more sher power. 3 claws should be much more powerful than 2, since the 3 blades weight much more than you think! You failed this time!
Nerdist - Would I be correct in saying that 2 blades generate more cutting force but also put more strain on the wrist and arms than 3 blades? (Not that it matters to wolverine but just curious)
Nerdist About number two, no it would have been simple. Instead of assuming a male heavyweight boxer, you would substitute a female high level boxer, then compare the total of the two and reduce by that factor.
as far as I know, men and women have the same lower body strength pound for pound. that would make her foot claws better than Logan's single claw move, and it would make her two hand claws about the same as Logan's three hand claws (lack of upper body strength would probably be compensated by superior cutting pressure).
In response to your number 2. and 3.
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Strength may not even be the most important factor here, but even if it was the assumption of no difference in strength is just as detrimental to your analysis as an askew assumption in favor of male strength.
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The fact that you realize that X-23 has less skeletal mass 1. because she has less bone mass, hence two claws rather than three, 2. because her entire skeleton isn't coated as Logan's is, makes it clear that you understand that in a swing from each respective character that the momentum they'll have is different. And the momentum is what determines the striking force
So you're saying that Deadpool from X-Men Origins: Wolverine is superior to both Wolverine and X-23?
Casual King I think that was the point. Doesn't make it any less crap though.
Casual King No, because we dont talk about that movie, thats why
The deadpool might have been superior but the movie still sucked.
Haha yes. -- KH
Deadpool - "The movie sucked" = "I enjoy classic tropes and cliches instead of original works of cinema."
Nerdist, my question would be, weight and force. Logan has a full skeleton covered by adamantium, and X-23 only has the claws. Yes genetically they are identical minus a Y chromosome, but the weight behind both will be significantly different. X-23 fully grown should not be more than 120-150 lbs, while i read somewhere that Wolvi was around 350 due to the weight of the adimantium. I would agree with you that she would do more immediate damage, but Wolvi "Logan" would have more raw power in his strikes with full momentum.
The comic book Logan was 5'3" weighed 300 lbs with the adamantium, and 195 without. Hugh Jackman is 6'2", and fully jacked-up for the role looks to be somewhere in the ballpark of 220 lbs. So add the 105 lbs of adamantium to Hugh's filming weight, and you'd probably have no more than 330 lbs of metallized Australian.
it's not 105lb for the adamantium; you're putting it on a guy who's eleven inches taller. Take your 105lb amount and multiply it by the percentage height more, and you're wayy more likely to find yourself in the correct ballpark, though still not nearly accurate. Your equation goes like this to start: 63/74 = 105/x, which yields x = 123 and 1/3, so at movie-Logan's height, you've got something like 123.3 lb of adamantium on something like a 220lb man, making him about 343 lb all told, maybe closer to 350 if we're taking into account width or girth of bones also increasing and requiring more adamantium
romxxii What are you talking about Hugh is not 6'2 in the film because he is not playing himself!
Michael Meech is right lol
yes but her feet claws are and extra advantage, she can kill for people at the exact same time where as wolverine can only kill 2. I love how they added that part about lions in the movie
can you do spongebob's regeneration factor
Impossible, his powers are more than we can ever hope to comprehend
He definitely has a superior healing factor. To eat crabby patties all the time and not have heart disease or high blood pressure.
@@michaeldamore378 who says the crabby patties have to be as unhealthy as regular fast food burgers? Its probably made from seafood
A Because Science of Stopping the Train in Spiderman 2, PLEASE!
Yes!
This Motherfocka ooooooh interesting
This Motherfocka Oh hell yeah!
Same as this... when spider man used only 2 webs in each hands the force was too much for the wall to withstand.. Buy when he used multiple webs in each hand the force,the pressure was less on each part of wall.Hence the train was stopped.
What in the ass ?
If her skeleton isn't fully coated, then Wolverine wins this game by default, because he(or anybody with reasonably sharp weapons) could just sever her limbs and leave her entirely clawless. I realize the argument presented in the video is based on cutting pressure and PSI and all that jazz, but the titular premise was that her claws are deadlier....and nope.
Also, I'd think in terms of how deadly one's claws are, rather than sharpness(which when compared between the two is effectively a wash...considering the level of 'overkill' in either case), a more determinant factor would be the simple fact that 3 claws(or 6 if he were using both hands) cause three(or 6) separate wounds...while two claws(or 4) only cause two(or 4) wounds. X-23 can only inflict 2/3's of the wounds at once, that Wolverine can, which makes her immediately, and significantly, less deadly than him.
staindwing yes less deadly if the aim of the game was make ur target bleed out from the wounds received
staindwing X-23 does get a claw cut off in the comics. Good point.
staindwing you're totally wrong since wolverine is fully coated he keeps getting poisoned which hinders his healing factor exponentially and wolverine and x-23 both have special adamantium that bonded with their body somehow which allows them to regenerate it when they regen lost limbs plus wolverine wasn't trained to become the worlds deadliest assassin so his combat skills are far inferior however he is more experienced than her in a battle x23 would probably win however that's just my opinion and we'll never have an answer until wolverine is revived in the comics and then they can both fight and give us the answer
He has a full skeletal coating, which means his limbs are virtually impossible to sever from his body. Her skeleton doesn't have the same luxury, as she only has partial coating. If her claws get severed, she could regrow the limb, and the bone claws, but the adamantium coating doesn't come back with them, and thus they are significantly less deadly.
Not to nitpick Kyle, but Logan is capable of choosing whether of not he uses all adamantium claws or not, ex. the time he flipped off Scott with only one claw. If he opted to use only one claw, then that one claw would take 100% of the .... oh crap ...
You debunked my comment as I was writing it ... dammit Kyle ...
You're welcome. -- KH
Nerdist
Thanks Kyle 👌 by far the no. 1 reason I watch Nerdist is for Because Science!
Aaron Alejos boom science lol.
hahaha! There was another guy with 1 blade, the guy with no mouth and all powers combined. His got a single blade and is like 3 times as long, that would beat the girl with blade on the legs right?
DarrkPhoenix Uhhh maybe you should read some xmen comics before naming yourself Dark Phoenix. X-23 is technically a female, but she is a genetically identical clone of wolverine, so as long as she worked out and built up enough muscle, then she would be able to be as strong as wolverine
Her third claw is between her toes.... somebody already freaked out about this, right?
First time I wrote a comment before finishing the video. :D
Huh
No
She originally had 3 in her hands but the middle ones were removed and implanted into her feet
Yes
Or wolverine could just retract the middle one and leave the others out
Damnit I didn't finish the video
Nvm
Drake Lewis 😂😂😂😂I never thought of that
Drake Lewis Even better Retract 2 of them and use just one
Drake Lewis genius
I know that I'm gonna get flak for this, but what about 'Deadpool''s 'katanas' in x-men origins: wolverine? They're much longer and there is only 1. Also, can adamantium cut adamantium?
I'm not going to dignify Barakapool, but the answer to your second question was explored in The Wolverine. When an adamantium katana was heated it was able to cut through other adamantium surfaces.
Josh Reznicek but is it scientifically accurate tho
Josh Reznicek whilst were talking about adimantium i saw the film yesterday and the adimantium bullet can pierce adimantium? but thats not heated and also it goes through a full adimantium skull which is very dense compared to a small bullet can u anwser how please?
actually, the bullet could be denser depending on calibre and how much adamantium was bonded to his skull. the dense adamantium bullet did have far greater velocity and thus had a high amount of kinetic energy also you could argue that the bullet was slightly heated as well so thats how the bullet pierced the skull greater velocity and momentum plus slightly heated
Christopher wills Well good point on the head cos it never says if it was full with adimantium so unless it says somewhere in media its full or not we cant really tell and from the look of the bullet it seemed like full metal jacket coming from a magnum which is high power and velocity and eith the heat the sword from the wolverine (silver samurai) im not 100% but im sure it mentioned somewhere over 2000 degrees to cut adimantium
EDIT: Google says 1500 degrees required
so how hot does a bullet get?
So there's all the comments about The Mass of Logan being more, giving him more force, which Is true. But there is another part to look at. If either one can already cut through anything, wouldn't 3 claws end up doing more damage than two, making the 3 claw setup more deadly?
no in theory the applied force to cut is Spread evenly over the surface being cut therefor the more blades used the more force needed to apply the same cut (Say the cut force is 12 -X23 would cut 6 deep but Wolverine would only cut 4 deep) Yes the Surface "rake" damage is more but does less cutting / deep damage
- Does that make Sense ?
I get what he's getting at. But my point is, if they can both burry their claws to the knuckles. 3 25cm deep gashes is more damage than 2 25cm gashes. who cares if it takes less force for the two blades to do that damage. Im saying that the pressure per blade only makes a difference if it's enough to make one able to cut deeper or further than the other. But since it doesn't seem that there is any material in the marvel universe where that difference is made... force per blade seems to be a moot point. So it comes down to how much cutting is happening.
Even real life folded blades that can cut through most things need to be Wielded correctly or be useless!
So if you wanna look at it in a gaming point of view: with a Energy cap of 120 (so numbers are not too high)
Wolverines attack deals 30 damage at 30 energy (4 strikes dealing 120 damage)
X23 attacks deal 20 damage at 15 energy ( 8 strikes dealing 160 damage)
This is not including her leg strikes and even as a Puncture strike they still have the same resistance,
Wolverine has found metals he cant cut / struggles to cut through and just cause they are Adamantium does not mean they can cut through all material effortlessly just that is CAN cut through them as in if enough force is applied Adamantium we cut it! **They even explained in the comic he expends twice as much energy as her when fighting unless she soes into her "frenzy mode"**
Archimagus
lol these arguments are interesting but people are missing the point. She has more cutting power he has more mass but they are both genetically stronger than any human. That's the main point. They could just kills you in a heartbeat. Plus if you think about it any thug with a "legal" 4 inch blade can fook you up. Sure there are differences but ultimately you wouldn't want to mess with either. Plus crazy me I think the point of this video is actually to show how the displacement of force and cutting force affect things. But you know, that's just silly me.
and also, wolverine claws are not uniform in placement, and would apply pressure at different times
Why is everyone forgetting one fact, Wolverine has more muscular power so his cutting force would be the same as hers or most likely even more.
Jaskaran Mahil even though this is 6 months late the title is which claw is more power not who is more power, at some point in the video he did specify that 'if' they had the same force x 23 claws would cut better
Nobody is forgetting this. Every other comment is about this. Comments older than yours are about this. He was just using the equal strength assumption ro make the calculations easier.
its not enough to make a difference of 100 million psi ...
@Joeseph Moore That "handicap" is not much of a handicap, considering it gives him more mass without decreasing his velocity by much.
Technically yes logan has more muscle definition on him and likely has much more upper body strength than x-23 because of his training versus x-23s x-23 was raised to be an assassin she was trained in a very brutal manner but her training was more focused on her entire body so technically upper body strength would likely be under-equal however her legs would be stronger than logans. Logans training depending on timeline usually is more derived from soldiers training mostly ww2 depending on storyline anyways. Logan has more emphasis on his upper body and fights in a berserker manner however this doesnt mean he has the edge on x-23 because of one single factor x-23 unless enacted by her trigger is better than logan at keeping her cool in a fight logan tends to get angry and let loose fighting wildly with less precision but laura (x-23) tends to stay calmer as a result of being raised to be a assassin she knows weak points has studied human anatomy and so she is more lethal and less easily beat than logan because of this. Also the hubris of her foes thinking she is weaker because of her two arm claws gains her the advantage with her foot claws which tend to surprise enemies.
Wow! This episode was super edgy...
Ayy!
You should cut that out.....
The Phantazm claw puns?.. really?..
Sasuke Uchiha Cut the guys a break, their just having fun
PuddingWhispers THAT is the worst joke out of the 300 bad jokes I've heard this year so far.
It was cool that you mentioned the fact that Wolverine's bones would need to be porous for the sake of blood production. I've thought about that in the past, too, and I think it would be worth exploring in an episode or mini episode.
Good idea! -- KH
actually i always thought that his regeneration took care of that, but then again his regeneration seems a lot less scientific and a lot more magical in how it's handled in the comics. I saw him regenerate from nothing but a skeleton which doesn't seem possible so...
chinangel
his regeneration also tends to change depending on plot convenience, and writer preference. You pointed out the regenerating from a skeleton thing, but in the days of future past timeline that same injury was fatal, and in old man Logan simply laying his head down on the train tracks was enough to over tax his healing factor for years. Like wise sometimes he can regrow severed limbs, but in Age of Apocalypse time line once he had his hand chopped off it never regenerated.
So far wolverine only consistent weaknesses were Carbadium which will stop his healing as long as he remains in contact with it, and the cursed Muramasa blade which is impossible to heal, and even a small wound could eventually ill him if he doesn't carve off the damaged area.
chinangel I remember seeing a video, by comics explained I think that stated his regenerative powers varied in different stories. And his power was described as not being Immortality but more like survival, which is why his body could bond and function with the adamantine. I could be wrong about this though.
kyriss12 Wouldn't that apply to X-23 in the exact same way though?
You got yourself wrapped up in the numbers. Each blade cuts through armor easily anyway, meaning having more blades gets you a higher chance to inflict lethal damage. In this case you don't want to reduce the area.
@Low Tier BBCFactory also I read in one of the comics, that X23 uprooted a metal door from its hinges singlehandedly, and she has also carried logan's half unconscious body entirely on her back while at the same time climbing out of a pit.
Here is a question that NOONE asked yet. Since X-23 bones are covered in adamantium, wouldn't that stunt her growth since she's barely a teenage (13yrs old approx) And then wouldn't she she be in constant excruciating pain since her still growing bones would be slowly crushed by the adamantium that's housing her bones? This didn't affect Wolverine since he got the adamantium when he was already fully grown. Any thoughts???
X-23's bones are not covered in adamantium, only her claws are.
Well that solved thst mystery. Thanks!
It wouldn't stunt her growth, it would kill her when she hit puberty.
He discused that in the credits.
in that tokyo movie , wolverines claws were cutted but a adammantium sword than we sawed the bone claws again. after time passes the claws werre adammantium. his body can prduce adamntium ?!?!?
For everyone saying that X-23 is "not a clone" due to her being a girl please do some more research on genetics. Although not cannon, they could have made X-23 with only one sex chromosome. X0, also known as turners syndrome, is not that uncommon. She would still be genetically identical in every way to Logan, as in a normal female one of the 2 X chromosomes is randomly inactivated. The "default setting" of a human is female, the Y chromosome just carries the genetic material for masculinization. This is not the case for X-23 though, as they just used two of the same X chromosome from Logan. Therefore as long as as that one X that was used twice did not carry a deadly mutation, X-23 would go through the process of X-inactivation and develop as a female. If you don't believe me look up X-inactivation. Fun fact this process is what creates the coloration on a "calico" cat.
Jared Giles Huh. I thought they just duplicated the X. I could have been mistaken though
While your science is good your fandom is lacking on this subject they did not have the complete DNA structure for wolverine and sarah kinney use her own DNA as a substitute so X-23 is more a genetically modified child of wolverine than a clone.
Thank you! -- KH
C K Good to know. Thanks 👍🏻
+The10D Everything you said is pointless, because no one is arguing that. We're pointing out how he ignored the FACT that men have more muscle than women, even clones.
Her claws on her feet are more useful than the third claw Wolverine has in the middle. Better climbing ability.
Daniel Hernandez You go read the comics. They are inside her dumbass.
you clearly haven't. There may be one obscure version or another that I may not know about where the claws are actually shoe attachments as you have said, but they for the most part are inside her feet. Even if they may or may not have been surgically implanted. The mainstream Earth 616 version in no way has special shoes that specially have claws only built in them like some type of spy shoes with built in knives.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-23
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Where's your god now?
Marijn Tak Thank you the source. You are god now. I would have shared exactly where to read the comics, but I know that troll would have gotten that site taken down like the bitch he was.
AlXnight yeah, true.. If I'm not mistaken, there were a few scenes where X-23 climbed up the sides of buildings using only her claws in the X Men Evolution series
In her origins story, she had three claws. One from each hand was removed, while keeping her awake the entire time, and re-implanting them into her feet.
Bruh i think the scientistes wher drunk
So Deadpool in origins is even more deadlier since his retracting blades where one on each arm.
we dont talk about barakapool
his claws are 2.5 times longer hence increasing total area,which makes him deadlier than wolverine but not deadlier than X-23
Chintamani Helekar yeah but there was no where to put them in his arms without breaking the blades in half. the "claws" need to be stored in the forearm to be both effective and stoweable at the same.
i still dont get it can you explain ... this? i didnt understand the video
+Chintamani Helekar
No, he'd be way more efficient than X-23. If you can cut an object with a double claw, you won't even be using the entire claw's area to cut, only about two small spots (one for each claw) are contacting the target at a specific time. With a single claw, the spot that is contacting the target is the exact same size as the double claw's spots, except it's just one spot, making it twice as better.
And there's also the fact that longer blades = longer leverage = much more force.
I believe you made a fundamental error, 2 in fact. 1: Laura is not genetically the same as logan as there was not enought genetic material to do the clone they wanted to in the comics. She got the necessary dna from a woman and that is the reason she is a woman and not a man, according to the comics. 2: Women and men have different upper body strengths and that throws off your calculations. She may have enhanced strength but logan has grown stronger with the years after lugging his metal skeleton around and has adapted to it.
James Sprenkle in the movie they said they used "the wombs of Mexican woman's, and ..2 he's not talking about upper body strength but if both of them would have either settup which one would be stronger.
daveen adams Actually he says around the 2:25 mark he makes the assumption they are at equal strength because genetically they are the same person, which once again isn't true like I stated earlier. The science about cutting force is correct, but base assumptions about their strength being equal is flawed. If there wasn't enough dna to perfectly clone logan and they had to use other dna to complete the wholes in the sequencing, Laura, by definition, isn't genetically the same as Logan.
It's just for the sake of simplicity. They are using the example of punching strength of a profesional boxer, Laura has enhanced strength. She is at least as strong as a professional athlete.
33amra33 Logan has enhanced streangth too plus he is a man, so logan would be a lot stronger, and considering his adamantium skeleton i think his punches would be more powerfull then her kicks.
James Sprenkle - Agreed. The gender change alone means she’s not an identical clone. More so, you can’t assume equal strength. Men are inherently stronger than women.
You're mixing up science terms. Yes, 2 blades have better penetration force, but once the tensile strength of the target is exceeded the higher force is irrelevant. At that point the larger number of blades do more damage.
One knife hitting a body with 3x the penetration force needed results in 1 stab wound and maybe some bruising around it from the hilt hitting. 3 knives hitting with 1x penetration force each results in 3 stab wounds. which is deadlier?
FatGamerGuy It does matter, and your response is not relevant to the question from this scenario. In this case, 3 claws is still deadlier than one.
Chris Evans no I think what he is saying is that he needs to push more to get the same amount of damage and it would only be a very small amount. it is the same reason a blade that is dull, or something that isn't a blade, a blunt object doesn't stab, because the matter is all so much closer together, but this is a very very very small amount of matter spread out over about an inch each time so it is not really about the force. it's like when your mom says go get a switch, and you know you better pick the thicker stick, but that's more also about surface area
FatGamerGuy um i don't think that would work because the claws come out from between the bones in he arm and over the wrist, that you mean he would just pull her arm off, which I don't think would happen. it would be more likely that he shoved his claws up into her arms and pried them out.
Yes this is the point. It doesn't take 200M or 300M PSI to cut flesh or body armor (maybe Sherman's skin?). Against most foes, the higher number of blades will do more damage.
Chris Evans Can you put some equations to prove this? Just curious as to whether or not this is the case.
I don't know that I would have said "deadlier" when comparing them.
When I was in my late teens I built a working version of the Devil's forks from Matt Wagner's very excellent "Grendel" series. When I tested it I learned about how the surface area of the cutting edge(s) affects the penetration of the edge in a slashing attack. Long story short, it requires more force to achieve the same slashing penetration with two blades mounted side by side than it does for a single blade. Noticably more. This lead me to believe that Wolverine's claw setup would be unfeasible as a slashing weapon *for regular humans* due to the forces involved to get the blades to penetrate deeply enough to be signficant. I even had an extra advantage in that my blades were mounted on a lever. So from that perspective, X-23 has the advantage: it requires less force to create significant penetration in a slashing attack using two claws.
With a stabbing attack, however, Wolverine probably has the deadlier setup. When I tested the forks for stabbing power, while it does require more force to penetrate with a stabbing attack just like in a slashing attack, it's nowhere near as much of an increase. A regular person could easily muster the force to stab with two blades side by side. A third blade would require still more force, but I believe it would be a doable feat. Inside a target they' be difficult or impossible to cut with in a straight line, but getting them in there is within regular peoples abilities. However, cutting in a straight line isn't the only option. Once the blades are in the taget, you also can twist them. This would cut a circular "core" from the target, creating a hole that can't be easily closed not unlike the wound from the (totally against the Geneva Convention) triangular bayonet, but bigger. Wolverine's claws would be wider, so he would cut the bigger hole, so his would be deadlier in this case.
Realistically, both would produce horrible wounds that would resist doctor's attempts to heal them. For regular people with regular strength, they would be awkward and limited. Both would be deadly, but more "practical" in different ways.
Logan can use 1 or 2 or 3 blades. he can control how many he uses.
Looks like someone didn't watch the entire video, huh? Attention span less than 6 minutes? X23 also has a single blade, on her legs, and legs have even more force than hands.
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Fisho D this doesn’t take into account accuracy plus I don’t care what anyone says I’d rather have 2 holes in me rather than 3
Fisho D the legs are used for defense
like a lion
Fisho D I don't think attention span is the problem. The fact that this video is using the argument that 2 is better than 3 they should have immediately included the ability of Logan to produce 1 2 or 3 blades in the beginning of the argument. It made me angry they didn't address that and after getting mad about it I didn't care about the rest of the video
Ignoring the feet claws (because I think that's just stupid), this argument is pretty pointless, because Wolverine can use any combination of his three claws. He just as easily could only ever use one or two.
Legs are stronger so it kinda makes sense. Wolverine also can't control how many claws he has when in berserker mode where he gets the most strength. X-23 only has 2 on each hand to work with and one on each foot. Makes her cutting power stronger. Wolverine could still beat her ass without even using his claws.
"Ignoring the piece of evidence I don't like" -- KH
+Nerdist That point is still wrong, because a 150 pound woman can't kick with more force, than a 350 pound man can throw a punch. Because Science. Stop trying to be a SJW here.
+DrSmokeTrees
You're forgetting that her blades have more cutting force.
A kicking motion is entirely different than a punching or swiping motion. It's comparing apples and oranges.
Your right about her claws being more dangerous in cutting power than wolverine but some of the numbers are wrong in this video 1. Just because she is a clone does not mean that the two are the same strength, men have a greater muscle mass then woman that is why men are generally stronger than women
2. Logan is also stronger because X:23 does not have a full animantium skeleton only her claws were coated in it, I mention this because recently in the comic where Logan dies it is mentioned that the only reason he is able to stand due to all the extra weight he got from the adamantium is because his healing factor increased how much his muscles tense and how much they can carry due to X:23 not having this happen to her body they do not slash with the same force as each other that's why some of your numbers were incorrect
but because of that too his healing ability is immensely slowed by the adamatium poisoning in his body.
Maybe, but the healing factor isn't so important when it comes to flinging a bladed fist.
well, Marcel did state some bits about healing so I thought I could throw some out too lol
You have raised many, many questions:
1) What about the extra weight a third blade brings to the table? Does Wolverine swing harder when his claws are out, than when two of them are retracted in his arm?
2) If Wolverine has to cut through an opponent like the Hulk or DC's Superman, would it be more effective to use the added swing of three claws, or the higher pressure of a single one? What if he practiced a technique where he swings with three blades, then retracts the two at the last moment, giving him more pressure AND more swing? (You spin faster when you swift some mass towards the center of your rotation)
3) Does X-23 hurt more when cutting through stuff? Yes, she does. Try poking a solid object with one finger, then two, then three, then four. This also applies to Sabretooth, and Yuriko from X2 (Lady Deathstrike).
4) Can Wolverine change his physique? How does working out affect him? Does he have a constant 3% body fat? Can he become stronger only by eating, metabolising carbs and protein, and peeing fat? Does his healing factor come with a higher growing up rate? Does he actually pee fat?
5) What else do I have to ask to be featured on your channel/Twitter/Instagram?
6) Wolverine pees fat and cigar smoke, doesn't he?
Just a piece of insight, you don't "pee fat", when you burn fat, most of it is exhaled.
And also, Wolverine is heavier, but if they have exactly the same strenght and muscles, X-23 will be way faster considering she has less weight to move around, meaning a less heavy but way faster blow, and since speed = power, we'd have to calculate that.
Also you'd have to take into consideration that women, in boxing (since we're talking about some kind of punch) have way more POWER compared to men the same weight, because the power in a punch comes from the ground, then with the kinematic chain goes up the legs, then the hips, the shoulder, the arm and at last the fist. Men lose a lot of power at the hips area because we're naturally way less flexible here. Meaning if a woman has exactly the same strenght and the same technique than a man, she'll hit way harder.
JetFiiire but they don’t have the same strength?
J C You forgot to quote the "...of the same weight..." part. I personally don't know if that is correct, but it makes your argument (comparing to a heavier man) pointless. Also: Men are not a "species", they are a "sex", and "humans" is a species, not a race.
J C I sense that your native language isn't english, because what you're writing doesn't make sense, neither grammatically nor semantically. I do however, think that I understand what you're trying to tell me, so don't worry about that.
Here is a correct way of writing (at lest part of) what I believe you are trying to say: "Men were made to be the dominant gender of the human species."
The way you express yourself also implies that you are religious (use of the word "made"), but that might not be intentional on your part. I personally am not, so I don't agree on there being a predetermined role for either gender, beyond the basic biological functions (only women can carry children etc.). Who is dominant depends on more than physical power, although history shows that men often end up in that role.
Have a good day
Plus she has flippin footclaws. that was awesome
howtobeabeast I just thought that was weird...
howtobeabeast yeah that was...weird
I thought it made perfect sense as animals generally have claws on all 4 limbs. Plus i thought they explained it well with the whole maternal defense explanation in female lioms.
howtobeabeast eh. she doesnt have it in the comics if im correct
Watch out if she kicks you in the balls
let's be honest if either of them hits you with their claws you're equally as dead. So it doesn't really matter.
But technically there is a difference, which I said in the video. -- KH
Nerdist there same genetically but wolverine has a better fighting style x23 was trained by Logan bur still not as good at fighting
i meant but
Kinda/sorta yeah. Wolverine has far more raw experience with his samurai skills and all of that, especially since he recovered all of his memories of centuries of killing. If they berserk however that flips around; her overall finesse and skill while "triggered" (no seriously, it's called trigger scent what sets her off, try to mention that to the feminists) retains far more skill than Logan does, where Logan just goes utter animal and forgets all of those perfect killing styles he's mastered in favor of what he basically learned in his very earliest years. At that stage hers is also the better regeneration and strength because his fully covering adamantium skeleton is keeping him back; she won't ever be able to strike a killing blow so with a vs the fight goes to him always, but against other foes it kinda depends. It does make her a bit more interesting than just as a genderflipped version of the same character. (EDIT: Note that as X-23 is not strictly his clone but more like his daughter as a human woman's DNA was used in place of genetic material they were lacking, and like Daken she may have gotten a different total power set as a result. This hasn't really been explained much, as to which degree she really has his powers, if she would have his super strength and full regen, or a lesser version.)
And wolverine is probably 80-90% stronger than her.
Love my skinny Thor vids, thanks Kyle.
Always happy to help the mortals. -- KH
I AM NO MORTAL.
Nerdist You've been deemed worthy. Use your power for evil, I MEAN GOOD, use it for good.
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I think the bigger factor is the arrangement of claws between the two characters. While individual cutting force may vary, both are far more than sufficient to destroy most materials and adversaries. The claw arrangement then comes into play--both X-23's and Logan's hand claws are essentially static--whether there are two or three claws, they remain at the same distance and angle relative to each other, essentially acting as one attacking unit. The claws are stuck to the arms, and each of them only have two arms, therefore two appendages with which to both attack and defend. If you can block/parry/dodge Logan's hands, you can do the same with X-23. What X-23 brings to the table is the foot claws--while maintaining the same physical amount of claws, she's doubling the number of striking appendages. This gives her the advantage in both offense and defense--she simply has more tools to strike with.
That GOTG reference made me break out of my scientific awe and chuckle a little. Nice one, keep up this great scientific work, it's such a fun way to learn.
That means a lot to me Marty, thank you. -- KH
I was going to make a similar comment but I found yours so I am just going to say "Same."
If adamantium can't change once it is molded then wouldn't x23's claws stay dwarfed when she grows up?
Nicolas Ramirez no skeletal adamantium it's just in her claws
I was wondering this myself. She may not have any adamantium in her skeletal bones but her claws presumably will grow like the rest of her bones until adulthood. So yeah unless she somehow loses those claws she will still have the child sized claws as an adult due to the adamantium coating preventing them from growing larger.
Sunny Hill congrats on your irrelevancy
+O'Rusty5891 I suppose like any other limb regeneration, it should be possible to yank Lauras claws from her body and she'd grow an adult set 🤔
O'Rusty5891 Wolverine and X-23 ' healing factor caused a molecular change in the adamantium turning it into beta adamantium. Beta adamantium is just as strong and durable as primary adamantium, but it doesn't interfere with the biological processes of bone. That's why laura's claws grew as she got older, and wolverine can still produce blood cells.
although she is his clone, she still is a female version of him, therefore, her muscular density will be lower and as a direct consequence, she will not be as strong as he is. So, kinda makes the whole thing not so straight forward
Kick is still stronger than the hand, so in your theory her kicks should be equal or slightly poweful than wolvies slashes anyway, even if wolverine uses only 1 blade.
Fisho D wolverine is still more powerful because he has a whole adamantium skeleton versus Laura, who could be more easily disabled, making Wolverine more powerful
Wolverine would be more easily disabled cuz you could just kick him in the balls which are much weaker than Laura's non adamantium skeleton. :D
Some women are body builders
Stephen King Not only that but them arguing about normal biology is quite silly since they are mutants.
Maybe you need to get into the science behind how the Transformers can transform, Kyle. There’s a lot of science in how Cybertronian technology works!
Oh my god the ending of this video is me with everything every day.... Must... Analyze... Everything... Must... Make... Logical.... hahahaha thank you Kyle, you fuckin' rock man. And thank you Nerdist for being here! Cheers from Oregon!
Thanks for watching Bea-MT! -- KH
I think you don't give a fuck if your head gets cut off by two or three blades that are sharp enough to cut through superman.
Haha. I do. -- KH
I think it's more like your mortician cares a lot, because that's just another disgusting pizza slice to try to fit back in there...
i guess u forgot , wolvorine can use claw individual
It is about her set of claws not about X-23 herself.
"oh I'm sorry, I didn't know how this machine worked." Nice one😉
Actually... Wolverine can apply more force if they have equal strength/force. Wolverine's claws are reinforced by adamantium skeleton... so he can apply more force... where as X-23's are reinforced by regular bones (I don't know about her sockets.. wolverine does have adamantium ones inside.. they still gotta pierce his skin.) Say you throw a bowling ball at X-23... the blades will cut it, but.. and this is important.. the balls weight may rip the blades out of her hands/arms... where as Wolverine having a stronger skeleton means.. he will never have to worry about the limiting force he can apply because the "foundation" so to speak, of his claws. Kind of like how unrealistic the bionic man and woman was about their bionic parts and strength... their bionic arms would be ripped from the shoulder on some things they do... same goes for the Winter Soldier. I like how they now show Old Man logan, when using his claws to climb does them sideways.... because, if he did it straight up and down he'd have to use a lot of energy because he'd just keep sliding down. X-23 wouldn't have the same problem because she's lighter and has a normal skeleton.. oh... Wolverines skeleton and claws are affected by his healing factor, meaning he can actually regrow them with Adamantium ... this means Laura Kinney , being his clone, would end up with the same ability... I call it being able to metabolise the adamantium. Her healing factor is actually faster, not because she's younger (all mutant types like Wolverine and Sabretooth are basically immortal until killed.. there is one from the times a Rome Remus... which makes me believe Old Man Logan's slower healing factor might be from his killing the X-men in his reality... because in the past The Dark Phoenix Jean Grey and Rachel Summers has used their telekinetic powers to affect it before so it took a very long time for it to get back to normal... But, the reinforced skeleton behind Wolverine's claws means he'd always be able to apply actually more force, where as X-23's would be limitted by her normal skeleton's ability to reinforce her claws.
good stuff Larry! They didnt make Laura's whole skeleton have adamantium like they did Logans?
Jeremy Williamson no
They might have planned to do it later on, but they couldn't do it while she was still growing. That, or they wanted to make her easier to restrain.
That would have been a very short and painful puberty.
Except that what holds the claws isn't bone, but connective tissue. The connective tendons and ligaments are what determines whether the claws stay or fly off. My problem with the foot blades is that the blade is extending from the foot, not the femur. You can pierce with that, but there is no way to get a proper edge alignment and cut like that. Not tho mention that while legs are stronger than arms, that really does not apply to sustained force unless you are standing on the target.
Kicking puts you on one foot and that removes any ability to support you might have, deflecting a kick can easily knock a person off balance, and isn't capable of maintaining the sustained force needed to cut through resistance.
While offensively X-23 seems to have the edge over Wolverine (pun intended), defensively, it makes sense for wolverine to have a three claw set up. For the same reason that his three-clawed setup applies less pressure when used to slice or pierce when receiving a force, Wolverine's claws would more equally disperse the force over all three of his claws, reducing the pressure put on each claw. While the biomechanics of a full adamantium skeleton are a bit lost on me, I can imagine that his tendons and muscle groups that control his claws in his forearms are still susceptible to wear and tear. Even if he can regenerate, the three-clawed set up means that wolverine can withstand 1.5 times as much pressure as X-23 before yielding. Especially when looking at how X-23 is smaller and supposedly more nimble, has one claw on each of her feet, and does not have the Wolverine full armour treatment tactically, it makes sense that while Wolverine is more like an unstoppable force because of his full skeleton and claw arrangement, X-23 is more of an offensive powerhouse than her original. battle practicality aside, this is a pretty interesting dynamic.
Another awesome video.
Quick question. How long did it take to learn how to write backwards with both hands?
Actually the number of claws is identical to Wolverine, Daken and Laura.
Laura has two claws in her forearms and one in her feet which still makes 3.
Hi Kyle,
I think the problem with your analysis is the assumption that the two swing with the same force. Even if genetically a clone of Logan, X-23 is still a woman/girl, and because of this her physical structure, skeleton, and muscular structure are different.
The fact that Logan can fit three claws in his forearm, or even just comparing their physique to each other should tell you that.
Because of this the amount of adamantium coated bone in each character's arm are different and this effects the amount of momentum their respective swings have. The change in momentum is what dictates the impact force of their claw strikes and it is the impulse, or force at a specific time, that you are highlighting in your F/A=P equation we are interested in.
No, X-23 does not fit into a traditional model of "Women have less muscle mass" which I will give you is a real world issue. In the comics, however, X-23 and Logan both have well above human levels of strength, and Logan is unable to physically restrain X-23 in most cases. Taking this into account, we can assume that their strength is roughly equivalent, despite her physique.
Also at the levels of strength we're talking about, a difference of less than 200 lbs in body weight is negligible.
Yes but I have to do it the way I did, without making too many assumptions, because X-23's strength doesn't seem to track 1:1 with her size. -- KH
Cody Rhodes
My mention of muscle mass and skeletal mass were to highlight the difference in total mass between the two characters. Which effects the momentum of their strikes.
Wolverine weighs 300lbs X-23 weighs 110lbs this is a massive difference in the amount of momentum their strikes would have. This is why in fighting we have different weight classes even if their strength is somehow comparable their momentum still wouldn't be. Mass is a much higher contributor because strikers speeds are usually also comparable with differences in velocity not being enough to out match differences in mass
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But what I'm saying is strength isn't the important characteristic, mass is. Even if X-23's muscles are somehow equally strong as Logan's it is clear her mass isn't. And what effects striking force is the change in momentum of whatever you are striking with. Logan will have a much larger momentum because he has more mass.
X-23 being just as strong, _which i don't think is true but ok_ , would mean she is faster but the difference in their speeds wouldn't be enough to compensate for the difference in mass
300lb vs. 110 - again not about strength but momentum
Her mass doesn't seem apply, by what you stated she is 110lbs yet she can toss around men over 200lbs like they're a toothpick.
I'm sorry to say you got some facts wrong. First, X-23 is a female clone so there IS a difference in how much force the two of them can put out, the same way you would be stronger than a girl with equal training, height, etc.
Then, while your science facts are right, your comic book knowledge is wrong, the Weapon X program gave X-23 the adamantium in the same way they gave it to Logan, but she only has it in her 6 claws and not in her full skeleton like him. This fact is important because it means Wolverine can actually put all the force he can into his claw swipes while Laura cannot, since her adamantium claws trying to slice some really hard material with enough force would actually break her arm and maybe more of her bones, and Logan can go full force since his bones can take the force of the reaction.
So Logan would be actually able to hit harder than Laura because he's physically stronger as a man, and can go full force, while Laura has to limit the amount of force she can use without breaking.
Also, her claws are a little smaller than Logan's, and both of them achieve superhuman strength because the healing factor allows them to go further where you and I would sprain every muscle trying.
But kicks doe
hitting with a foot bend 90 degrees is hardly possible.
90 degrees is needed since the cutting edge is horizontal and not vertical and it gets you out of balance fast.
Pablo G. de Anda The video is about their claw sets, not them.
Pablo G. de Anda The video is about their claw sets, not them.
muntu1221 the video is about X23 being deadlier. Thats even the title.
2:20 Except logan's adamantium bones make him stronger (having to carry all that extra weight for centuries, so she's much lighter and has less force behind her blows), he's considered as having some degree of superhuman strength, as well as a female frame just not being able to hold as much upper body muscle as a man. So you're starting out with incorrect info on any force applied.
But yeah, just debating claws alone, hers might be better weapons.
I came here for the science facts, stayed for the fun...
Wolverine can choose how many blades extend.
Oh look, another person who commented before being able to silently watch for 6 minutes...
Fisho D why did you comment that 3 times. ResidentSleeper
Gender is a factor of genetics so, if they're not the same gender, they're not genetically identical.
dantesinfernal0 it's poor science so... whatever
It's not poor science at all. Even boy/girl twins with similar facial and body features can vary greatly on internal body such as blood pressure, cholesterol, hormones, etc.
King Me. I meant the videos science....
The reason X-23 is female is because of how Wolverine was cloned... genetically, males are XY, females are XX. I can't remember all the details, but basically they took half of Wolverine's XY gene and folded it over. Creating a YY doesn't work, but the XX results in a female. It's in the comics.
That aside, this video is full of holes.
Yes, she is a clone of Wolverine, but she is not a genetically IDENTICAL clone. There are several traits that are ONLY carried on the Y chromosome, which she does not have. She is a clone of only HALF of Wolverine's genetic structure. She gets none of his Y chromosome traits.
Wolverine got bigger muscles, so your argument is invalid.
Almost all mutants have enhanced strength, regardless of muscle size.
Source:
Deadpool/xmen movies and even comics.
BBradshawProductions he wasnt comparing wolverine to x23, he was comparing which claws better if the same pressure is applied.
+David Merchin wolverine cut thanos
@@oneplumpboi5317 but not everyone has the strength. It's enhanced compared to baseline humans.
His argument is "X-23' claws vs Wolverine's" not "X23 vs Wolverine" so his argument is valid.
(If 2 claws are beter then 3 then 1claw is beter than 2 then 0 claws is beter then 1) If Logan is this strong and his blades are very sharp
Then he will do more damage than X23 because the area that Logans claws penetrate is bigger than X23s and Logan is
doing more damage.
wouldnt logan have more muscle mass than X23
Way way way way way more... I geuss he just forgot about that...
No, he just had them as equal strength in this video for the sake of simplicity.
yeah but in the end this video is just a physics lesson using comics, moral of the story P=F/A
X-23 is much faster, much much faster. She doesn't have all her bornes made of adamantium, only the claws. Which mean she doesn't have to carry all the weight of metal as Logan does.
More speed also means more force.
33amra33 kinda sucks though she's easier to kill
This argument is flawed because it presumes that Wolverine and X-23 are equally strong because they have the same genetics. However, Wolverine is physically bigger with muscle. I know lots of people like to believe in equality between the sexes, but the size of the muscles in Wolverine's manly build will make him stronger than X-23's smaller, feminine build.
they explain this in the comic that she is less brawler and uses martial arts attacks that use force of speed to inflict high damage (more thrusts and sweeping blade strikes Vs Wolverines rake attack style) the only thing i can say is somewhat of a trade off is that her full body is not coating (Joints break easier) BUT this also has increased her Healing factor to a much higher level than Wolverines!
Kevin Conk As a huge Wolverine fan, part of why he's so buff is he's always carrying an extra 100-120lbs of adamantium.. he's like 300lbs lol and only 5'3 haha so yeah his bulk helps with that but he should hit harder, because his arm is twice as heavy, and he's probably about 20-30% stronger taking into account all variables.
So I agree and also disagree... SCIENCE!
it only works out to be about 112 pounds of Adamantium Spread out over his whole body including his Claws so not as much in his arms as on would think ;) he also using more energy to move around and is always healing as his body takes internal damage in places where normal bones would flex!
danteelite if he's actually about 300 pound, he could punch like a fucking truck
its not a lifting contest. think about who punshes and kicks harder and faster, Arnold or bruce lee?
U lost me halfway but here's my argument:
U said it yourself: "These claws can cut through anything!"
Well, explain the point of there being more powerful than something thats already the most powerful
They cover how the weapon-x program deals with the pores in one's bones for red blood cell transfer in the weapon - x novel. They used hollow microbots to enter the pores to allow the cells to leave the bones. So I am quite certain they did the same for x-23.
This was fantastic
kyle is the greatest
Thank you so much! -- KH
SOMEONE HELP PLEASE.
wait. so, if she has an adamantium skeleton, and it was injected when she was a kid, then what happens when she's an fully grown?
she has as much adamantium as she needs right now, but as she grows, won't she need more metal?
And if adamantium is unbreakable and X23 isn't done growing yet, does that mean that the metal will conform her in short child stature for the rest of her life? or will it break and reform and slowly get thinner/weaker as she grows?
--but Wait. her metal isn't part of her genetics, so does that mean it can't heal when it fractures through her growth into adult hood?
I'm really confused and I just thought of that. so....
idk. what's your take on it?
Eli Butterfield she doesn't have adamantium on her whole skeleton, only on her claws. ^^
Jibrael Nagales
Wait. So then she CAN grow to full size.
But... what happens then if she gets her arm cut off?
Brandon Colin
Btw. That's exactly what these videos do. Sooo....
Eli Butterfield if her or wolverine gets their arm cut off it will grow back with normal bones
thomas corbin
Well. Wolverine can't get his arm cut off. It'd just be cut down to the bone. And it's always heal back.
But if X23 gets her arm cut off it'll heal back, but she wouldn't grow back her claw on that arm, Because it wasn't part of her genetics.
Right?
thomas corbin wolverines come back with the adamantium because he has beta adamantium which can regenerate
But...but... 3 claws weigh more than 2.... so.... if I'm correct, the "power" should be equally as good as two blades!
Adamantium's durability has less to do with weight than it does with resilience. Logan is 5'3" tall and without his adamantium weighs 195 lbs. With it, he weighs 300 lbs. His body has been reinforced but adds only 105 pounds of total weight.May 7, 2012
Stavros Chaichi I think its more of strength vs speed...but I think it would be a bit better if its 1 blade with the weight of 3 blades. the weight is more on the non sharp part. kinda like a machete.
Do an episode on healing factor. Wolverine is constantly being poisoned by a lethal dose of adamantium poisoning because his full skeleton is encased in adamantium but X23 only has her claws encased by adamantium. Another question is if having a full adamantium skeleton makes a significance because your limbs are harder to get cut off or if it's useless because you can just re-attach severed limbs and heal or totally regrow the limb. I dunno if Wolverine or X23 can heal that good but Deadpool might be.
Does anyone not think that if her bones are covered in metal how will she grow?
Tryden D'Souza they are not
Watch the whole video, moron.
Only her claws are coated in adamantium. Also, logically that means here claws will be child sized forever, but knowing Marvel they will just give a bullshit reason for why her claws grew longer as she aged.
Wolverine's bones aren't the garden variety adamantium. They are adamantium beta. And since him and X-23 are genetically identical her bones are also composed of adamantium beta. Adamantium beta can grow and heal with bones. Which means she can grow to full size with little worry.
Supposedly adamantium cannot be liquified after it has solidified but it can somehow grow with bones?
there genetics may be the same, but a female is geneticly weaker. wolverine has more muscle and strength, so he has more cutting power then x-23
I think that the point of x-23 is that she's more agile? At least, she seems more agile in the comics...
Shame on you for assuming X23's gender.....
.....Hahaha im kidding eff SJWs
I think you mean women are physically weaker than men. Genetics don’t really matter. Women in general can’t build as much muscle as men can without the help of hormones, steroids, and protein supplements. They can still build some visible muscle, but they cannot get super beefed up like men can. Much less get as strong as men. Men are stronger and meant to carry more weight because of their greater body mass. Women have lesser body mass than men do, therefore they are not meant to carry heavy loads or build as much muscle like men. In a fight, men rely on their upper body strength to strike their opponents. Sometimes men would use their entire body weight. When women fight, they rely on agility. Women distance themselves from their opponent before they strike the vulnerable soft spots and vitals, as they cannot rely on their body weight or upper body strength. Overall, men have the upper hand in strength, women have the upper hand in agility.
its not enought to make up for the 100 million psi difference
A female is generally weaker IN THE REAL WORLD. We are talking about superhero comics/films, where mutant powers are closer to magic than to real-life abilities. Assuming the same strength for simplicity makes sense, there's nothing in that movie stating that the different proportions of strength in mutants according to the gender apply in the same way they do in the real world.
You are ignoring the body mass of Wolverine and X23... (Because incomplete science!)
He said assuming they are both fully grown. I guess you could say that women are smaller than men, but that is just an average. Given that X-23 is a clone, I would guess that her adult body mass is similar to that of Logan. Plus only arm strength would really matter in most situations.
He said "assuming they had the same force behind them" to remove that variable. He was judging the power of the claws themselves, not the people wielding them.
Brian Muir thats not true, torso mass also matters because u use your entire upper body in a punch/slash
Also obviously writers had no idea what "clone" means... :'(
King of the Nonsense
well at least your name isn't lying
i know this is late to the party, coz I rewatched this and never thought of the question until now. good point, wouldn't logan die quicker because red blood cells couldn't get to his bones?
7 swords
She is laying on 6 though. --KH
That one with the feet lying on it though, that makes a 7.
But wolverine is a man (and extremely well built at that), and therefor applies more pressure than any female could ever muster. Case closed. Problem, feminists?
Captain D Cap no he's talking about the claws but Wolverine would always win in a fight
He specifically brought their swing force into consideration, and set them as equal. (which they are not) Then went on to add that x-23 also has a blade on her feet. If it were just about the blades, her leg strength wouldn't matter either.
he specifically said that they are genetically the same, which they are
Yeah but a male and female twin will be genetically the same but the male will be stronger because he will have higher bone density , greater muscle mass and more testosterone. Even if they did have the same strength somehow (which they wouldn't) the male would still be able to create more force because he would be heavier.
Except they're not, because x-23 is a woman, meaning she can only be 50% identical to Wolverine. You can't clone a man and magically end up with a woman. That was just really poor writing on Marvel's part. A Y chromosome doesn't just happily turn into an X chromosome.
wolverine can just retract one of his claws..
That pun at the 4:57 mark was fantastic. Didn't seem intentional but still awesome 😊 keep it up. Fun to watch and learn.
But wolverine can retract 2 of his blades
Lol srsly. he even demonstrated himself in this video that he could he retract 1-3 blades.. lol
Angus Mccarten did u not even pay attention? he covered that, x-23 has single claws on each foot and a foot kicks twice as hard as a fist can punch so x-23 still has the advantage.
He can retract all of them. What are you talking about?
blaze556922 He meant like instead of retraxting 3 he could just retract 2
+Brett Casale
which is basically his way of saving face and choosing preferred info for the sake of making his point more favorable. Aka, cherry picking. He goes on the whole video talking about the hand blades. Proceeds to make a flipping the bird joke, and then brings up the foot blades completely at random close to the end of the video. I'm pretty sure x-23 rarely even uses her foot blades. We hardly see them being used in media, and it's the first time I'm sure a lot of people have heard this. Did you already know about these feet blades before coming into the video? And don't say you do cause you choose to quickly look up sources after I bring this question up. If these feet weapons were brought up more in comics, I apologize cause I'm not well versed in her comic lore as well. For all we know, this is probably just an exclusive trait to one specific comic strip/set. Which makes said point about the footsie knives all the flimsier. Though I could be wrong.
Wolverines whole skeleton is adamantium. For Laura it's only her claws. Logan can therefore exert more force than laura
for every one saying that x-23 is weaker than wolverine because she is female clearly have not read the comics
Salim Proctor
exactly
She is weaker than him, she has no obvious superhuman strength feats last time I checked. Wolverine does.
she was capable of blocking a punch from vamp lee that's a considerable strength feat to me
+Salim Proctor
But how strong is Vamp Jubilee? Could be more of a skill feat. She was taught by Wolverine who once bested Shang Chi without using his claws.
Salim you are right on your own merit, but she is weaker because of mass, muscle mass, and how much force she can put into her attack without fracturing her own bones. Wolverine is stronger because he can not fracture his bones and can exert way more force. I do not believe she is weaker just because she is female. Like you may be calling out on others.
Yes but sill wolverine can use only two claws in each hand, so his claws can be as deadly as Laura's.
Acktualy *spits* Laura is not the 23 attempt at cloning wolverine, she is just the 23 expremint in the X-Series.
Cap is X-1,
Wolverine is X-10,
skinless man is somewhere on there aswell.
Sycom what does the x stand for?and wich one is deadpool
You have reached the limits of my nerdiness, sry friend :(
No. Cap is the 1st super soldier. After cap there were multiple experiments on humans and animals. Logan is 10th attempt on the "super-soldier" program hence why the X (10 in roman numerals). Laura is 23rd attempt to clone Logan and only successful
Elza Andersone no red skull was the first close enough.
007 BaTMaN wasnt he a failed attempt though
Can't Wolverine control how many of his claws are extended? If so this whole video is worthless.
Adam Hollingsworth exactly
Laura ha singular claws on her feet, and legs are stronger than arms.
PumpJack McGee she doesn't use them much...
Ah, so you didn't watch the video either -- KH
Maybe not in the film, but in the comics she puts them to good use.
Wolverine will always be stronger because you know..... testosterone more muscles he's a male build while x-23 is a female build.
wolverine cut thanos
Also cause it’s a marvel comic😂
He's also had 100+ years to build muscle strength. Few factor that into things.
@@TimedRevolver Do you seriously think he went to the gym for 100+ years?
@@Laki2006 He's a fighter by nature. He was pretty much constantly fighting or doing some kind of manual labor.
That stuff can turn guys into brick walls of humanity in 5-10 years. Imagine 100+ years, plus never worrying about torn or otherwise damaged muscles.
But that is also a disadvantage. It's fine when you are cutting soft things, but when they are against hard objects, Logan has an advantage. 3 claws are spread over the entire fist so the force applied on his fist is evenly distributed. In case of X-23, she just has 2, on the 2 corners of her fist. If she hits something hard with max force, there's a chance that her fists will rip apart before she can cut the thing.
For example, Take a plank of wood. If you jump using your entire body weight and land on 5 fingers on the plank, you will break it. But if you use 1 finger and apply all your body weight on the plank, even though you will exert a lot more force, there's a high probability that you'll break your finger before the plank breaks.
Same thing, even if her claws are capable of delivering strong blows, her fists won't be able to handle as the object gets harder. This gives Logan an advantage because he can decide how many claws he need for particular requirement.
So, less blades = better. Conclusion: That shut-face deadpool we all hate has the best claw power. Nope. Even deadpool hates that deadpool. Nope.
Single blade on foot is better than single blade in hand? Really? Strength is not all you know... Aim is much more important when dealing with blades.
Amr Sobeh you have aim when you kick stuff aswell.
Amr Sobeh which isn't a problem when you can hit Quicksilver...
Wolverine doesn't aim he just cut stuff in half so thsts irrelevant
I think the only part that matters is the leg blades lol. Theoretically they would be more on par with Logan's claws and muscularity.
logic is flawed a man and woman dont swing with the same force you have to consider muscle mass,bone structure, weight awesome video tho
In the comics and movie, X-23's superhuman strength does not directly depend on her size. -- KH
Nerdist she doesn't have super strength because Logan doesn't have super strength. His exceptional level of strength comes from the fact that he's a berserker and his healing factor allows him to use more of his muscles since the tearing is healed almost immediately.
No she isn't super strength level, dude stop it, you are just wrong!
disagree
The use of less amoung of blades is efficion against an armor that can resist an attack like. But in the film there are no such thing.
The more blades = more material devartated per blow.
furthermore Laura will never grow up, the skeleton will never grow because it's metal. And she will never get the same muscle weight and power as a full grown man like Logan
Renat Gal I believe only her claws are covered in adamantium. that why she's light enough to do all those flips.
korey johnson well it could be. We need an expert here ))
Renat Gal I agree, and even if she does grow up, as a woman biologically I doubt she'd reach the raw power of her father, but she would have agility going for her, however that's not really relevant to the discussion.
Yep. Power = speed x mass
And agility can help with speed.
Renat Gal good thing only her claws are adamantium
Just a side note.... The return pressure (pushing the blades back up) would also be 1.5x higher, meaning a 1.5x greater force is acting on the back of X-23's hands with each swipe, this force very likely hurts (even assuming that there is a counterweight to minimize this force). So it is likely that X-23 would swipe with less force, subconsciously, than Wolverine (although, admittedly, it would still result in a greater force, just unlikely the force you reached).
But logicly Wolverines claws are better becuase he can still push out one blade or two or three at the same time if he wants as we have seen in some movies with Wolverine. So then he has one more blade than X-23 and the same cutting power! That makes him better becuase, well, he has one more backup blade!
well X-23 has another pair at her feet, she can cut into 4 places at the same time.
+shotgun6X wolverine cut thanos
brothers of wrath so? We take king about theoretical physics here
+shotgun6X you are implying science on comics and other Fiction
brothers of wrath usually no, but this is literally a video about science so... Yes
Wouldn't wolverine be stronger because genetically because he is a man rather than a woman he would produce more testosterone which would make him have more muscle growth
In the comics and movie, X-23's superhuman strength does not directly depend on her size. -- KH
Nerdist But is she was genetically the same as wolverine but wolverine had more muscle than wouldn't wolverine be stronger just from like training
if superhuman strength was a power passed on then gender would have little effect superhuman strength in comics doesn't have to be related to gender or visible muscles, this was translated in the movie as well when her agility was superior and strength was comparable to logan impressive for a person her age
speed = power
adamantium is too damn heavy
strength also depends on speed
No,
Slow=Torque =Strength
Speed =Weakness (there's probably a better way to word that)
What I mean is the more torque (the slower) something has, the more force/strength it will have. And the Faster something naturally is, the weaker it will be.
While although you need to be going faster to make practical use of something like wolverine's claws combat wise, "speed=power" is completely false.
Could you see the lie in his eyes when he said adult x23 has the same strength as Wolverine? Being P.C and not saying men are stronger than women.
But she would. Regenerative mutants don't work like average bodies do. Wolverine is close to super strength, but he's not the size of Colossus or Sentry. He's built like an average guy.
Muscle mass rules don't apply here. Their muscles don't have to expand to contain the increased power due to them being in a constant state of repair. It's why Wolverine rarely gets out of breath.
So, as an adult, she absolutely would be on par with him, and close to Captain America in strength, if not beyond. That's not even factoring in that she's more willing to give into feral rage than Wolverine, giving her an even deeper reserve of strength more often.
So don't try that PC garbage. Mutant powers don't play by the laws of physics and reality. That's why they're so unnatural.
@gshsgfhgsfdz Being P.C. my ass, geez, we are not even talking about HUMANS in the film, we are talking about MUTANTS, with abilities that are closer to magic than to real life abilities. A female mutant whose power was strength could be stronger than five Wolverines combined if a plot demanded that.
Timed Revolver
It doesn’t matter how strong she is or how primal she gets. She simply doesn’t have the mass. She doesn’t have an adamantium skeleton like Logan, which means she ‘s going to be a bit heavier than a very athletic woman. That’s less than 200 lbs. Even if she has super strength, she doesn’t have the mass to be able to resist the forces pushing back against her to successfully move objects that are substantially heavier than her. The only reason Logan is so abnormally heavy for his size is because of his adamantium skeleton. Remove this, and he would suffer from the same problem. If X-23 exerted her full strength and primal rage, she would still have a lower potential of maximum force she could apply without being given some way to mitigate the forces being applied to her. Their cutting capacities aren’t feats of strength anyway, as an average human could cut through just about anything pretty easily with adamantium blades, so having excess cutting power is pointless. Whatever they cut is still cut.
I just love so much that these videos exist.
İm sorry i didnt knew how this mahcine worked" From guardians of the galax star lord
Logan now has hot claws making them more dangerous than X 23's. Maybe you should make an episode on how his hot claws don't melt his adamantium claws.
the problem with these is a couple of factors
1. Strength/pressure applied to the cutting force of which Wolverine has in abundance more than X23
but also
2. The distance between claws - With the three claws, logan has greater chance to inflict a more devasting wound or hit a target whereas two blades (especially the distance apart on the hand) m3eans that that degree of accuracy (chance) is reduced but also presents a fundamental flaw in another bladed weapon. As an example, spot the difference in gaps between the Predators Wrist blades vs V23s and then make that assessment.
The only thing that made X32's claws better was the variety of location, 2 on the hand and one of the foot meant a larger arc of damage and range of attacks.
I have a topic for you about wolverine pertaining to the new Logan movie specifically. Logan has a very slow healing factor and it is said that the adamantium is poisoning him. That doesn't make any sense to me thought because for it to poison him it would in theory need to rust. Adamantium is indestructible so it cant rust. I would just really like to get your take since you explain things scientifically.
I don't know if this has been pointed out but Wolverines force per hit would be significantly higher than X-23s due to his entire skeleton being covered in adamantium whereas X-23 only has it on her claws. Adamantium is quite heavy when it's solidified and due to Wolverine having to carry that around for years his strength level would be much higher (as shown when he throws enemies around like rag dolls). Now when X-23 slashes the extra weight of her claws being extended would increase the force of her blows but when Wolverine does it's a lot more forceful (both due to his entire arm being weighted and he has more weight at the end due to the extra claw itself). Think swinging a baseball bat; X-23 hits the ball with the end of the bat (optimal zone) but Wolverine hits it with a bat made of cement.
That's just my opinion though.
BOOM!!! Mind blown. As I was watching this video, I'd asked myself how X-23 would become an adult in the comics if, like Wolverine, her entire skeletal structure was coated in Adamantium. Then the end of the video arrives. Kyle blew my mind. BOOM!!!
Counterpoint: Three cuts very close together is a much harder injury to deal with than two farther apart. Stitching them closed would be a nightmare, so while Wolverine's claws don't impart as much cutting power., the wounds they inflict are more likely to be lethal.
"She's laying on six swords"...
Uh-Uh Science Guy.
She's laying on SEVEN swords.
....Because, Basic Math Skills.
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Yaaa yaaa yaaa but Logan’s Claws looks better in TOTAL AWESOMENESS.
remembering Logan can control the blades individually
and he can have 1 out at a time
so he could distribute the force on a single claw
but X-23 has 2 claws, and retracting 1 means there's a rotational component on the off to the side claws
what i want to know is, the movie logan had x 23 at roughly about 8 years old, her body (claws) did not finish growing yet, so wouldn't there be an area that was not covered with adamantium? i've thought about that since the movie came out....
Im no comic books expert, so correct me if im wrong. I soppose the bones are coated in adamantium, and not made of adamantium. What would happen to the joints and tendrils when the adamantium was aded to their bodies? Cientificaly, can they move so normaly if all their skeleton was made of metal? I know there are prostetic implants made of metal, but even does cause some problems sometimes. But what would the effects of a full metalic skelleton be?
I'm going to be that guy and say there were 7 blades the circus performer was laying on. You know, because math! Love your show!
However, defensively, Wolverine still has the edge because more area, means he has an easier time deflecting. If you think about it, it sort of goes along with the protector theme.
"Giving X-23 the edge" I see what you did there lol
having claws on both her hands and feet rather then just on her hands like wolverine, gives x23 twice as many limbs with claws there by effectively doubling her effectiveness