I don't think that's correct. Collins is very different with a much more relaxed style than Bruford. I have always preferred Phis drumming to Bruford even if I love the early Yes up to "Close to the edge".
@@peterhammer4644 Agree i think it was a peer comment. Both Legends no doubt, but Bill is kinda more a Ginger Baker with Stewart Copland mix who is able to make a crowd sing to a 19/16 guy and Phil managed to do melody with his drums composition. Worlds apart but i guess it's the 'fusion' element that makes them sound good together.
Phil got so much attention for his vocals & songwriting in leading Genesis post-Gabriel - and then for his own solo career - that some people may forget what a talented and highly skilled drummer he is.
Hi Bill, I'm Marcelo Villasuso from Mexico and the creator of the 7/8 Bruford and Collins video, with the end goal of sharing yours and Phil's humbleness. It has been an honor for me, that you picked my educational video and posted it on your official channel. That means I was able to convey my point of the educational part of the progressive music on 7/8. I will highly recommend you and your audience to follow and listen Don Alfonso Lopez Quintas and his take on the importance of the educational part of the music through his videos on Bach from 6 months ago. Muchas gracias; it has been an honor.
My word. Seeing Phil and Bill playing like that together is absolutely mind blowing. I wish there was more footage out there. 2 of my favorite all time drummers.
There's plenty more footage of it, that's from the pretty widely available 1976 concert film. It's about 45 minutes long. I have it on Laserdisc of all things, but it's also available as a DVD extra on the 2007 Trick of the Tail re-master and of course you can just find it on RUclips. Search for Genesis In Concert 1976.
Before the Genesis “A trick of the tail tour” when the singing problem was sorted-out, Phil said “I would never trust the Genesis drums to anyone but the man I admired for years, Bill Bruford”. For me Genesis was much more dynamic with Bill than with Chester. Less predictable and more daring. For me as a musician and having heard some of the best drummers in the world including the giants from jazz Elvin Jones, Max Roach or Jack DeJohnette, Bill’s drumming is something unique and always challenging that opens my eyes on how to really control tempo and the possibilities on polyrhythms with metric modulation. Always an inspiration to hear him. Period.
Perhaps, but without Chester the fill from "More Trouble Every Day" would never have been integrated into several Genesis songs. Obviously, Bruford found Genesis too limiting for him. Cheers, Alan Tomlinson
Same here. Would love to hear some more from 1976. It's like a little treat at the end of that live album that circles back to the beginning of Genesis Live 1973.
I was confused by your comment talking about a "live version of 'It and Watcher' from 3 Sides Live". My "Three Sides Live" CD doesn't feature that. Checking the tracklist online I found the story about a differing version for GB. According to Wikipedia they did a remastered version of the album in 1994 which made the other stuff available for the German market as well. So I guess I bought the album shortly before that. 😕🤷♂
@@martinhsl68hw isn't it though. I don't think the public ever cottoned on to how good Phil Collins is with the sticks = or was. I saw him play with Brand X at Knebworth in 78 and with Genesis later in the day. Incredible although I was sorry to miss Bill by a couple of years as for me Cinema Show on Seconds Out was the pinnacle of the band's career.
I was at the Bingley Hall (long since demolished) gig and it was sensational. A fervent Yes fan, I felt Bruford brought a percussive attack to Genesis that they have never repeated. As other comments have noted, the second section of Cinema Show is breathtaking. Los Endos was also terrific with the two drummers.
I agree with you - love them both. Have you heard Gavin Harrison's drumming? (among other things, he drums with Porcupine Tree and is one of King Crimson's trio of drummers when they perform live) I'd put him up there , too.
Phil's work on the drums in Genesis is so great, not diminishing his later work as front man, but really, he kicked ASS on drums. High praise from Bill here. Love them both.
I lived in London Ontario and heard there was group called genesis coming to London arena around 1976 The only reason I was going to see them was cause of Bill bruford. I was a huge Yes fan and still am. Now trick of the tail is one of my favourite albums. It was a great concert.
Bill Bruford is a drumming genius. As a drummer I’ve been trying to replicate his style since I was 13. I remember putting on my headphones and trying to play with him listening to Yes and then King Crimson. I could NEVER follow him - his style is just impossible to follow. That was way back when I was a teenager. I have since given up LONG ago. His work with Yes/King Crimson/UK(which to this day I think was his best)/Bruford/EarthWorks and all his other assorted collaborations and guest appearances is just unreal. ABSOLUTELY one of the best and unique drummers of all time.
For me following Bill was easy most of the time. All by ear with some improvisation thrown in as I don't read. Bill played sparsely with holes that could be filled without getting cluttered. I find Collins hard to follow, to hear Bill say they play alike has me dumbfounded. Technique maybe similar but totally different groove.
@@yunarukami14 No way! BB was actually more of an influence because his style was more improvisational, with a looser groove, so he and I tend to approach the drums similarly. He's more laid back while I tend to play busier during practice, kind of overdue it on purpose sometimes, or just play around with the groove as a way to develop chops and feel. He left a lot of opens spaces I could fill without causing a train wreck, where I could still hear what I was trying to do. That didn't work too well with some other bands. I just couldn't figure out much of Genesis because I never learned to read and had no grasp of theory years ago and their music is very strict with little room for improvisation. Today I'd still be up for a major challenge figuring out what PC was doing, it's tedious trying to break it down bit by bit. BB still sounded great despite being somewhat out of his element or ''comfort zone'', and his improv work is legendary, that attests to his great talent. PC pulled his stuff off effortlessly, another great talent. It's all good. Of course there were plenty of Yes songs Bruford played on that I found challenging to keep up with, and Larks/Red/SBB. Please do not take this as a swipe at BB's talent, I'm a huge fan of both guys.
I am pretty sure I am going to be addicted to this new Bill Bruford channel. Amazing drummer; true gentleman. And responsible for the best drum part ever on cinema show with another master Phil Collins. Two old timers having respect for one another.
The first time I saw Genesis live was around 1976, with Bill Bruford on drums/percussion, and it was fantastic. There was a wonderful "give-and-take" between him and Phil.....and when Phil came out front to just sing (and do his schtick) Bill supported the music fully. Subsequently, I saw Genesis three or four more times with Chester Thompson, who was also a fantastic drummer, and I believe Chester became more integrated into Genesis over time. I never saw the "full" Genesis line-up with Peter Gabriel, but seeing 4/5ths several times was a treat!
Chester is a beast for sure, and though I like Bill Bruford better, Chester seemed to fit Genesis better. He and Phil were just such a perfect duo, very good drum chemistry there. Better than Phil and Bill to my ears.
I’m really enjoying Bill’s videos! His drumming and, Indeed, his personality and eloquent yet also humorous interviews and creative thought process were an inspiring thing to me and frankly, still are.
Was at the that show in ‘76 in Berkeley. The Trick of the Tour. My two favorite players on the same gig. Then met Bill a few years later promoting his solo record. A dream come true.
I cannot help thinking how amazing this must have sounded to Mike in '76, standing between Bill and Phil just pounding the hell out of those kits on a concert stage.
Yes it's stellar. Like Perpetual Change was on YesSongs. Especially the guitar solo long ending on that one, though of course it's "just" Bill drumming. On both albums, the tracks recorded with Bruford really stand out.
Those two drumming together was a special treat. They somehow avoided stepping all over each other while driving the music with incredible power and intensity.
Bill I saw you and Chester and Phil all playing together when Seconds Out came out along with Tony, Mike and Steve and that's a album that started me more with my drumming. To do the drum solo in three parts and having a drummers ear as they say and just concentrating on one of the three of you was such a reward. I have to share this with you and the band, I was taking drum lessons and the teacher asked me to pick out a piece of music to play that would display my talents, the piece I picked out was Suppers Ready, I played that whole side of the album without a hitch and had my teacher floored with how well I copied the drum parts of the three of you, I have never forgotten it and to this day without drums I can play it on my thighs with my hands. Thank you the three of you for teaching Me your music
Sorry, but on “Seconds Out” the only track Bill Bruford performs on is “Cinema Show”. The drumming on all of the other tracks are played by the brilliant and dazzling Chester Thompson. On “Super’s Ready” (when Phil is singing) the drumming is performed by Chester Thompson. During the extensive and stunningly powerful musical passages (of Supper’s Ready) the dual drumming of Collins and Thompson is absolutely brilliant. In my opinion, the live version of “Supper’s Ready” along with “Firth Of Fifth”, “Robbery, Assault And Battery” and “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” are Genesis at its most elegant and powerful and superior to the album versions. These tracks are the “Pieces de resistance” of “Seconds Out”. I saw the “Trick Of The Tail” tour in 1976 at the Ford Auditorium in Detroit with Bruford on drums. I was seated in the dead center of the Orchestra Pit about 5-10 feet from the stage. As a drummer I was focused on Bruford and Collins the entire show. Unfortunately, in my opinion, they never clicked or played synchronously. It was like watching two different drummers playing their interpretation of tracks from “TOTT” and “TLLDOB”. Even when they played together it was noticeably out of sync and at times uninspired. Several times during the show I noted irritation on Collin’s face when he and Bruford were obviously out of synch. I’m a huge fan of Bill Bruford. I first saw him perform with “Yes” (Anderson, Howe, Squire and Wakeman) in 1971 when “Yes” opened for “ELP” at the Eastown Theater in Detroit. I also saw Bruford perform with “King Crimson” in 1974 at the Ford Auditorium in Detroit during the “Larks Tongue In Aspic” tour. Bruford’s drumming in both of performances was brilliant and at times otherworldly; masterclasses in peerless “Progressive Rock” and “Jazz-Classi-Delic” drumming. I saw Genesis again in 1977 during the “Wind And Wuthering tour at the Masonic Temple in Detroit. I was expecting to see Bruford. Fortunately it was my introduction to Chester Thompson (who I was not familiar with). His drumming was powerful, stunning and perfectly complimented the music of Genesis. When Thompson and Collins played together it was complimentary, fluidic and synchronous. The fact that Thompson remained the touring drummer for Genesis and the Phil Collins Band for decades and played on the solo albums of both Steve Hackett and Tony Banks is not only an indication of his high regard among the members of Genesis but also the overall general creative and technical excellence of his drumming. The full story of Phil Collins and Chester Thompson is beautifully detailed in the comprehensive Genesis biography titled “Genesis Chapter & Verse” by Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett and Mike Rutherford.
@@magiscichoam Very informative post. That said, Chester Thompson may have remained with Genesis and played with several of their members in their solo endeavors -- as opposed to Bill -- because CT likely had fewer outside options (unlike Bill who was receiving tons of offers) and because Genesis band members' did not appreciate what BB said about the band when he left (actually BB apologized for this years later, I believe in his autobiography). So I'm not sure if what you say is really an indication of their performance in the band. Full disclosure: I really like C Thompson's playing but BB is among by 3 favorite drummers. I also think BB can be a jerk sometimes -- just like Fripp. But I love his playing in Cinema Show and Supper's Ready in the 76 tour.
@@jdmresearch Thanks for the information (about Bruford) and your perspective. I’m also a great fan of Bill Bruford. He’s one of my favorite drummers. I’ve seen him live numerous times with “Yes”, “King Crimson”, “UK” and “Earthworks”. As great as his performances are with those bands, in my opinion, the overall general excellence of his drumming did not advantageously transition or translate to “Genesis”in 1976. For me the best version of “Supper’s Ready” (bar none) is the live version on “Seconds Out” (1977). The bootleg soundboard recordings that I’ve heard of Bill Bruford performance on “Supper’s Ready” are dull, stiff and uninspired. This may be the primary reason that Bruford only performs on one track on “Seconds Out”. For me Thompson’s drumming performances are a better fit for “Genesis”. It also explains Thompson’s longevity as the touring drummer for Genesis; from 1977 until 2007.
@@jdmresearch thank you. The same to you. I respectfully recommend that you read the following books on the origin and history of Genesis; 1. Genesis: Chapter & Verse (by Genesis) 2. Genesis: Supper’s Ready (by Peter Crisp) 3. Genesis: I Know What I Like (by Armando Gallo) My copy of “Genesis: I know What I Like” was personally given to me (and signed) by Amando Gallo in 1978 at the Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston Michigan (outside Detroit) during the “Mirrors” tour in support of the “And Then There Were Three” album.
I had no idea Bill was in Brand X, with or without Morris Pert I wonder. I remember watching the Genessis live movie on a Friday night at the movies before Video stores! Man, I sound old!! THANK YOU for posting this awesome video.
The double drumming on The Cinema Show is life-affirming stuff...!! I immediately had to go and listen to the entire song on Seconds Out. My favorite Genesis track it is as well =) Thank you for this channel, Mr. Bruford, your percussion work always had me in awe.
💙What a nice video I stumbled on. It was nice to see a face to the man who "pitched in for a bit" to help Phil step away from the drums. That's a huge piece of Genesis "history" that could have gone in a completely diffrent direction had he not stepped in. I truly believe in fate, that there are no coincidences. Thankyou Bill!👏 It was nice meeting you!🥰
I would like to thank you Mr. Bruford for a wonderful career and countless hours of drumming entertainment. Will never forget your Three of a Perfect Pair 07/07/84 tour!. Wishing you all the best.
I always remember your drumming on Close To Edge. I have all the Yes albums until Tormato, then the YES spirit was lost. The rhythm base with Squire was the best. You are a great musician and a better person. Greetings from Argentina.
What I find very fun - Bill Bruford touring with Gong, learning Pip Pyle's drum parts - and then a few years later, Pip returning the favour by playing Bill's drum parts on the first National Health album.
I was fortunate enough to have seen the Bruford/Collins show on 'The Trick of the Tail' tour in July '76 in Glasgow. At the time, all I knew of Bill was via 'Close to the Edge', but I already knew he was a stellar talent. However, the true extent of the talent I only became aware of much, much later as I became familiar with King Crimson, Bruford-style, and his solo career. I would pay serious money to relive that '76 concert one more time.
No matter what he is playing Bill Bruford looks completely relaxed and at ease behind his drums as if it takes no effort to produce the magic that he performs!!
Keep it coming 😉. I really love anything Bill Bruford. Everything I've heard from your drumkit is fascinating. To you those early epics may have been stepping stones to further progress and understanding, but to many of us they were never ending delights.
I have ups and downs with my opinion of Collins as a singer-songwriter but yes, he is one of the handful of drummers that deserve to be discussed in the same category as Bill Bruford. The Brand X as well as the pre-pop Genesis drumming was off the charts.
I always preferred Collins' playing, though Bill is probably slightly technically superior. Phil just always came across as more musical to me, and his fills were always just perfectly thought out and executed to bring the most out of the music, which I never felt about Bill. Of course, music is inherently subjective so that's just me. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway... that album is simply a master class in progressive rock drumming from start to finish, Phil is monstrous on the kit. I still love Bill though, in Yes and most especially King Crimson. He's undeniably a master and one of the all-time greats.
Just discovered Bill's station. He's always been one of my favorite musicians (even though I play keyboards and guitar). This is just great! So many great videos to see, it's gonna take me a while to catch up! Thank you, Bill!
Seconds Out. My first Genesis Album. I was always overwhelmed by the drumming!One of the best time on Genesis. From old to the new area! Bill's playing is clearly audible
Cinema Show on Seconds Out is a masterpiece of twin-drummer playing. Let's not forget either that the quality of the live recording production and stereo mix were masterful for 1977, paticularly as there was no desk automation, nor digital mixing assistance.
I saw the tour. Bruford got a huge ovation when Phil introduced him then Phil said "he'll want more money!" It was a truly epic concert. There's a live recording of this duo on Seconds Out playing Cinema Show - mind blowing.
Saw the Trick of the Tail show at the Burbank Starlight Ampitheater. UNBELIEVABLE show! I went home and laid in bed all night, there was no way of getting to sleep after this show. Magical.
I've seen BB with UK, KC, Yes, and himself. It always amazed me how he made all that great sound while sitting there looking like a statue from the elbows up.
Thanks for this new Channel Bill and all you are sharing. I first saw in Yes in 1971, then King Crimson, UK , National Health and Bruford. Sadly did not catch the Genesis tour but good to see some here. 2 of my favourite drummers!
After all these years of Chester who was so invested it’s interesting to hear you talk a bit about it. But I see how comfortable they were with you for that moment! It really comes across…x
I actually spoke to people that didn't even realize Phill played drums, or if they did, they just thought of the pop songs. They didn't know about Brand X or even the early Genesis.
The most telling sentence here is when bill said " he was not required to have any emotional involvement....better if you didn't".. Cheers banks and ruthers
It's interesting that Bill said that "We play alike", because I remember Phil telling a story in one of the books that came ou tin the 80's, about how back before he was in Genesis, he was a big Yes fan. Apparently, he went to see them one night, the scuttlebutt in the room being that Bill was quitting and going back to university. So after the show, Phil goes backstage, and talks to, i think he said it was Jon Anderson, who told him to "Give us a call, and come down for a play". Phil said he never called and never went down to play with the lads. And of course, Bill changed his plans and stayed the course for a few more years.
That concert was great! I can understand how being a hired gun can rub you the wrong way. I also prefer being in a band. That way the decisions mean more to me. Like I'm more likely to do whatever makes them happy if I'm hired, but if I'm in the band, I have more attachment for getting my style in the mix and more willing to voice what I want the parts to be. If only I were able to see you play live! Luckily we have this channel!
Bill Bruford saying "we drum alike" is about the best compliment you can get.
The music sounds great , Genesis were my favorite band in mid to late 70's .
Almost as good as 'Yoyoka has covered your song'
I don't think that's correct. Collins is very different with a much more relaxed style than Bruford. I have always preferred Phis drumming to Bruford even if I love the early Yes up to "Close to the edge".
@@peterhammer4644 Agree i think it was a peer comment. Both Legends no doubt, but Bill is kinda more a Ginger Baker with Stewart Copland mix who is able to make a crowd sing to a 19/16 guy and Phil managed to do melody with his drums composition. Worlds apart but i guess it's the 'fusion' element that makes them sound good together.
Genesis fan Gene?
Bill's drumming in 'Close to the Edge' entire album is a purest fine Art!
Absolutely!
Phil got so much attention for his vocals & songwriting in leading Genesis post-Gabriel - and then for his own solo career - that some people may forget what a talented and highly skilled drummer he is.
I agree. I saw an old video of the band doing return of the giant hogweed and his drumming blew me away
@@profilercms the cleaned up bataclan concert is a must see.
This. Collins himself described it as a drummer first, and a singer second.
I’ll bet even fewer people know that Don Henley sang and played drums for the Eagles.
Phil is probably the single most underrated drummer in existence.
Saw Genesis in Fresno April 26 1976 with Bill Buford in a 1500 seat theater. Probably my best concert ever.
*April 30 1976
@@matthew-1710 Thanks I stand corrected.
Two of the best drummers ever.
I've played drums and percussion for over 50 years, and these two were my best teachers. What great drummers!
Hi Bill, I'm Marcelo Villasuso from Mexico and the creator of the 7/8 Bruford and Collins video, with the end goal of sharing yours and Phil's humbleness. It has been an honor for me, that you picked my educational video and posted it on your official channel. That means I was able to convey my point of the educational part of the progressive music on 7/8. I will highly recommend you and your audience to follow and listen Don Alfonso Lopez Quintas and his take on the importance of the educational part of the music through his videos on Bach from 6 months ago. Muchas gracias; it has been an honor.
"you can feel vaguely confident that the thing won't collapse behind you" LOVE THIS.
My word. Seeing Phil and Bill playing like that together is absolutely mind blowing. I wish there was more footage out there. 2 of my favorite all time drummers.
There's plenty more footage of it, that's from the pretty widely available 1976 concert film. It's about 45 minutes long. I have it on Laserdisc of all things, but it's also available as a DVD extra on the 2007 Trick of the Tail re-master and of course you can just find it on RUclips. Search for Genesis In Concert 1976.
I was lucky enough to see Bill Buford during the King Crimson discipline tour. Phenomenal drummer!
“Bill was one of my early drumming heroes” Phil Collins 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Nevertheless to me it was a special moment for the brief time Bruford and Collins played in Genesis together as well as Brand X.
Bruford was in Brand X? I've seen him with Earth works and 82' King Crimson
Huh didn't know that
@@jeffjeff4477 Apparently it was only a brief stint much like his time with Genesis.
The snare shot heard round the world!
The most distinctive snare in music.
I love Bill's snare tuning. Never could find tunebot settings to replicate it. I do use french grip and rimshots.
@@kaveman1021 with the Copeland snare!!!!
@Randy A Agreed!
Before the Genesis “A trick of the tail tour” when the singing problem was sorted-out, Phil said “I would never trust the Genesis drums to anyone but the man I admired for years, Bill Bruford”. For me Genesis was much more dynamic with Bill than with Chester. Less predictable and more daring.
For me as a musician and having heard some of the best drummers in the world including the giants from jazz Elvin Jones, Max Roach or Jack DeJohnette, Bill’s drumming is something unique and always challenging that opens my eyes on how to really control tempo and the possibilities on polyrhythms with metric modulation. Always an inspiration to hear him. Period.
The 76 tour was Genesis’ high live peak in my view
I think Phil said that in 'The Book of Genesis' by Hugh Fielder.
Listen to any recording from the Duke tour. DO NOT underestimate Chester Thompson!
Chester is awesome. I’ll always pull for him.😊
Perhaps, but without Chester the fill from "More Trouble Every Day" would never have been integrated into several Genesis songs. Obviously, Bruford found Genesis too limiting for him.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
Of course, Phil is an outstanding drummer who deserves to be considered a world class drummer!
This time period will always be my Favorite!
The live version of 'It and Watcher' from 3 Sides Live with both Bill and Phil is astounding! Ive always loved it and still do to this day!
Same here. Would love to hear some more from 1976. It's like a little treat at the end of that live album that circles back to the beginning of Genesis Live 1973.
I was confused by your comment talking about a "live version of 'It and Watcher' from 3 Sides Live". My "Three Sides Live" CD doesn't feature that. Checking the tracklist online I found the story about a differing version for GB. According to Wikipedia they did a remastered version of the album in 1994 which made the other stuff available for the German market as well. So I guess I bought the album shortly before that. 😕🤷♂
@@sauermusicDE its only on the vinyl version of 3 sides live
The work you did in Genesis Mr. Bruford is nothing short of hot diggity damn good. That double drumming on Cinema Show Pt.2 is the stuff of dreams!
Spot on. I have returned to it again and again for 45 years
It never loses its thrill.
Yup.
Anything that makes Mike Rutherford dance has to be incredible :) It is sensational drumming. So compulsive
@@martinhsl68hw isn't it though. I don't think the public ever cottoned on to how good Phil Collins is with the sticks = or was. I saw him play with Brand X at Knebworth in 78 and with Genesis later in the day. Incredible although I was sorry to miss Bill by a couple of years as for me Cinema Show on Seconds Out was the pinnacle of the band's career.
For reasons unbeknownst to me I always get excited when I see two drummers playing in a band.
Possibly my two all time favorite drummers. I WISH i could have seen them play together live
I was at the Bingley Hall (long since demolished) gig and it was sensational. A fervent Yes fan, I felt Bruford brought a percussive attack to Genesis that they have never repeated. As other comments have noted, the second section of Cinema Show is breathtaking. Los Endos was also terrific with the two drummers.
I agree with you - love them both. Have you heard Gavin Harrison's drumming? (among other things, he drums with Porcupine Tree and is one of King Crimson's trio of drummers when they perform live) I'd put him up there , too.
Bill was an unbelievable drummer.
So was phil
Still is.
@@PatchesVillano He officially retired.
Phil's work on the drums in Genesis is so great, not diminishing his later work as front man, but really, he kicked ASS on drums. High praise from Bill here. Love them both.
I lived in London Ontario and heard there was group called genesis coming to London arena around 1976 The only reason I was going to see them was cause of Bill bruford. I was a huge Yes fan and still am. Now trick of the tail is one of my favourite albums. It was a great concert.
Bill Bruford is an amazing drummer - his drumming on Cinema Show is one of the legendary highlights in progressive music live.
Bill Bruford is a drumming genius. As a drummer I’ve been trying to replicate his style since I was 13. I remember putting on my headphones and trying to play with him listening to Yes and then King Crimson. I could NEVER follow him - his style is just impossible to follow. That was way back when I was a teenager. I have since given up LONG ago. His work with Yes/King Crimson/UK(which to this day I think was his best)/Bruford/EarthWorks and all his other assorted collaborations and guest appearances is just unreal. ABSOLUTELY one of the best and unique drummers of all time.
I here you . I did the same thing trying to learn Bargain by the Who. The drumming is insane at the end , blows my mind still.
For me following Bill was easy most of the time. All by ear with some improvisation thrown in as I don't read. Bill played sparsely with holes that could be filled without getting cluttered. I find Collins hard to follow, to hear Bill say they play alike has me dumbfounded. Technique maybe similar but totally different groove.
@@IFHorus Are you indicating that Phil Collin is a much better and more technical drummer than Bruford? 😠
@@yunarukami14 No way! BB was actually more of an influence because his style was more improvisational, with a looser groove, so he and I tend to approach the drums similarly. He's more laid back while I tend to play busier during practice, kind of overdue it on purpose sometimes, or just play around with the groove as a way to develop chops and feel. He left a lot of opens spaces I could fill without causing a train wreck, where I could still hear what I was trying to do. That didn't work too well with some other bands. I just couldn't figure out much of Genesis because I never learned to read and had no grasp of theory years ago and their music is very strict with little room for improvisation. Today I'd still be up for a major challenge figuring out what PC was doing, it's tedious trying to break it down bit by bit.
BB still sounded great despite being somewhat out of his element or ''comfort zone'', and his improv work is legendary, that attests to his great talent. PC pulled his stuff off effortlessly, another great talent. It's all good.
Of course there were plenty of Yes songs Bruford played on that I found challenging to keep up with, and Larks/Red/SBB. Please do not take this as a swipe at BB's talent, I'm a huge fan of both guys.
@@IFHorus I completely understand you, man. I was just messin around. Have a great day
I am pretty sure I am going to be addicted to this new Bill Bruford channel. Amazing drummer; true gentleman. And responsible for the best drum part ever on cinema show with another master Phil Collins. Two old timers having respect for one another.
The first time I saw Genesis live was around 1976, with Bill Bruford on drums/percussion, and it was fantastic. There was a wonderful "give-and-take" between him and Phil.....and when Phil came out front to just sing (and do his schtick) Bill supported the music fully. Subsequently, I saw Genesis three or four more times with Chester Thompson, who was also a fantastic drummer, and I believe Chester became more integrated into Genesis over time. I never saw the "full" Genesis line-up with Peter Gabriel, but seeing 4/5ths several times was a treat!
Indeed, Chester Thompson is quite a good drummer.
@@manuelguariguata535 Somewhat an understatement.
Chester is a beast for sure, and though I like Bill Bruford better, Chester seemed to fit Genesis better. He and Phil were just such a perfect duo, very good drum chemistry there. Better than Phil and Bill to my ears.
Through very unusual circumstances I ended up with Genesis' SDS7 setup. I still have the drum brain today
Two words for Mr. Bruford and Mr. Collins: Thank you.
I’m really enjoying Bill’s videos! His drumming and, Indeed, his personality and eloquent yet also humorous interviews and creative thought process were an inspiring thing to me and frankly, still are.
Too right Bill. Genesis remains my personal fave band of all time. Thanks again for lending your sticks to it.
It does not get better than these two together. Where has this kind of musicianship and collaboration gone?
Two FANTASTIC drummers.
GETTING BRUFORD & COLLINS ON DRUMS !!! IS HEAVEN !! YOU JUST DO NOT GET BETTER THAN THAT !!!!
Was at the that show in ‘76 in Berkeley. The Trick of the Tour. My two favorite players on the same gig. Then met Bill a few years later promoting his solo record. A dream come true.
Double drums.....Genesis was SO good. Collins, Thompson and Bruford are deservedly legendary drummers.
I cannot help thinking how amazing this must have sounded to Mike in '76, standing between Bill and Phil just pounding the hell out of those kits on a concert stage.
Did you see the Montreal 1976 8mm clips video?
Glad to read a blessing from Bill himself towards Phil, it probably doesn't concern me but i just want to say thank you.
*Mr Big Bill Bruford*
Bill all these years later from Genesis fans thanks so much for your work with the band.
The version of Cinema show from seconds out is my most favourite Genesis track. The drumming is so exciting in the second part.
Amen
Yes it's stellar. Like Perpetual Change was on YesSongs. Especially the guitar solo long ending on that one, though of course it's "just" Bill drumming. On both albums, the tracks recorded with Bruford really stand out.
Love Bill.I am lucky enough to have seen him play with YES and Genesis in the 70’s !
Phil and Bill. Both absolute monsters when they got behind their drum
kits.
Mr. Bruford, thank you for sharing your gift with the world! That goes for Mr. Collins too!
❤❤
I remember seeing this tour in '76 in Montreal.
One of my best memories!!
This was a huge influence on my musical playing.
Absolutely amazing I am honored to see both drummers on there solo tours
Thank you Bill! You have been my greatest influence since I heard you in Yes in the early 70's.
Those two drumming together was a special treat. They somehow avoided stepping all over each other while driving the music with incredible power and intensity.
Bill I saw you and Chester and Phil all playing together when Seconds Out came out along with Tony, Mike and Steve and that's a album that started me more with my drumming. To do the drum solo in three parts and having a drummers ear as they say and just concentrating on one of the three of you was such a reward. I have to share this with you and the band, I was taking drum lessons and the teacher asked me to pick out a piece of music to play that would display my talents, the piece I picked out was Suppers Ready, I played that whole side of the album without a hitch and had my teacher floored with how well I copied the drum parts of the three of you, I have never forgotten it and to this day without drums I can play it on my thighs with my hands. Thank you the three of you for teaching Me your music
Sorry, but on “Seconds Out” the only track Bill Bruford performs on is “Cinema Show”. The drumming on all of the other tracks are played by the brilliant and dazzling Chester Thompson.
On “Super’s Ready” (when Phil is singing) the drumming is performed by Chester Thompson. During the extensive and stunningly powerful musical passages (of Supper’s Ready) the dual drumming of Collins and Thompson is absolutely brilliant. In my opinion, the live version of “Supper’s Ready” along with “Firth Of Fifth”, “Robbery, Assault And Battery” and “The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” are Genesis at its most elegant and powerful and superior to the album versions. These tracks are the “Pieces de resistance” of “Seconds Out”.
I saw the “Trick Of The Tail” tour in 1976 at the Ford Auditorium in Detroit with Bruford on drums. I was seated in the dead center of the Orchestra Pit about 5-10 feet from the stage. As a drummer I was focused on Bruford and Collins the entire show. Unfortunately, in my opinion, they never clicked or played synchronously. It was like watching two different drummers playing their interpretation of tracks from “TOTT” and “TLLDOB”. Even when they played together it was noticeably out of sync and at times uninspired. Several times during the show I noted irritation on Collin’s face when he and Bruford were obviously out of synch. I’m a huge fan of Bill Bruford. I first saw him perform with “Yes” (Anderson, Howe, Squire and Wakeman) in 1971 when “Yes” opened for “ELP” at the Eastown Theater in Detroit. I also saw Bruford perform with “King Crimson” in 1974 at the Ford Auditorium in Detroit during the “Larks Tongue In Aspic” tour. Bruford’s drumming in both of performances was brilliant and at times otherworldly; masterclasses in peerless “Progressive Rock” and “Jazz-Classi-Delic” drumming.
I saw Genesis again in 1977 during the “Wind And Wuthering tour at the Masonic Temple in Detroit. I was expecting to see Bruford. Fortunately it was my introduction to Chester Thompson (who I was not familiar with). His drumming was powerful, stunning and perfectly complimented the music of Genesis. When Thompson and Collins played together it was complimentary, fluidic and synchronous. The fact that Thompson remained the touring drummer for Genesis and the Phil Collins Band for decades and played on the solo albums of both Steve Hackett and Tony Banks is not only an indication of his high regard among the members of Genesis but also the overall general creative and technical excellence of his drumming. The full story of Phil Collins and Chester Thompson is beautifully detailed in the comprehensive Genesis biography titled “Genesis Chapter & Verse” by Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett and Mike Rutherford.
@@magiscichoam Very informative post. That said, Chester Thompson may have remained with Genesis and played with several of their members in their solo endeavors -- as opposed to Bill -- because CT likely had fewer outside options (unlike Bill who was receiving tons of offers) and because Genesis band members' did not appreciate what BB said about the band when he left (actually BB apologized for this years later, I believe in his autobiography). So I'm not sure if what you say is really an indication of their performance in the band.
Full disclosure: I really like C Thompson's playing but BB is among by 3 favorite drummers. I also think BB can be a jerk sometimes -- just like Fripp. But I love his playing in Cinema Show and Supper's Ready in the 76 tour.
@@jdmresearch Thanks for the information (about Bruford) and your perspective. I’m also a great fan of Bill Bruford. He’s one of my favorite drummers. I’ve seen him live numerous times with “Yes”, “King Crimson”, “UK” and “Earthworks”. As great as his performances are with those bands, in my opinion, the overall general excellence of his drumming did not advantageously transition or translate to “Genesis”in 1976. For me the best version of “Supper’s Ready” (bar none) is the live version on “Seconds Out” (1977). The bootleg soundboard recordings that I’ve heard of Bill Bruford performance on “Supper’s Ready” are dull, stiff and uninspired. This may be the primary reason that Bruford only performs on one track on “Seconds Out”. For me Thompson’s drumming performances are a better fit for “Genesis”. It also explains Thompson’s longevity as the touring drummer for Genesis; from 1977 until 2007.
@@magiscichoam A very respectable take!
@@jdmresearch thank you. The same to you. I respectfully recommend that you read the following books on the origin and history of Genesis;
1. Genesis: Chapter & Verse (by Genesis)
2. Genesis: Supper’s Ready (by Peter Crisp)
3. Genesis: I Know What I Like (by Armando Gallo)
My copy of “Genesis: I know What I Like” was personally given to me (and signed) by Amando Gallo in 1978 at the Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston Michigan (outside Detroit) during the “Mirrors” tour in support of the “And Then There Were Three” album.
I had no idea Bill was in Brand X, with or without Morris Pert I wonder. I remember watching the Genessis live movie on a Friday night at the movies before Video stores! Man, I sound old!! THANK YOU for posting this awesome video.
Don’t make waves a great song!
Well, my jaw just dropped to the floor watching these two drumming masters play together when i had no idea they ever did.. Superb 💪
I've always loved both these phenomenal drummers. Incredible technical virtuosity mixed with a LOT of SOUL.
The double drumming on The Cinema Show is life-affirming stuff...!! I immediately had to go and listen to the entire song on Seconds Out. My favorite Genesis track it is as well =)
Thank you for this channel, Mr. Bruford, your percussion work always had me in awe.
It/Watcher of the Skies; phenomenal Dble drums at the finale. BBs snare sound is Bangin🤩
Thanks for all the music Mr. Bruford. You've been quite inspirational to my playing.
💙What a nice video I stumbled on. It was nice to see a face to the man who "pitched in for a bit" to help Phil step away from the drums. That's a huge piece of Genesis "history" that could have gone in a completely diffrent direction had he not stepped in. I truly believe in fate, that there are no coincidences. Thankyou Bill!👏
It was nice meeting you!🥰
This was lovely! Such glowing praise from Phil.
Thank you very much for Phil. Remarkable Bill and Phil. The good old days ! From Paris, thanks for your channel.
Love BB but Chester and Phil playing together was magical. I am so glad I was able to witness it live.
I would like to thank you Mr. Bruford for a wonderful career and countless hours of drumming entertainment. Will never forget your Three of a Perfect Pair 07/07/84 tour!. Wishing you all the best.
King Crimson?
@@jackwezesa1081 Yes.. 3PP was a KC album.
The date was their show in Toronto.
I always remember your drumming on Close To Edge. I have all the Yes albums until Tormato, then the YES spirit was lost. The rhythm base with Squire was the best. You are a great musician and a better person. Greetings from Argentina.
What I find very fun - Bill Bruford touring with Gong, learning Pip Pyle's drum parts - and then a few years later, Pip returning the favour by playing Bill's drum parts on the first National Health album.
Bill is my favourite drummer together with Guy Evans and Lee Harris 💓💓💓
I was fortunate enough to have seen the Bruford/Collins show on 'The Trick of the Tail' tour in July '76 in Glasgow. At the time, all I knew of Bill was via 'Close to the Edge', but I already knew he was a stellar talent. However, the true extent of the talent I only became aware of much, much later as I became familiar with King Crimson, Bruford-style, and his solo career. I would pay serious money to relive that '76 concert one more time.
No matter what he is playing Bill Bruford looks completely relaxed and at ease behind his drums as if it takes no effort to produce the magic that he performs!!
Keep it coming 😉. I really love anything Bill Bruford. Everything I've heard from your drumkit is fascinating. To you those early epics may have been stepping stones to further progress and understanding, but to many of us they were never ending delights.
I have ups and downs with my opinion of Collins as a singer-songwriter but yes, he is one of the handful of drummers that deserve to be discussed in the same category as Bill Bruford. The Brand X as well as the pre-pop Genesis drumming was off the charts.
Smacks of Euphoric Hysteria. Brilliant rhythms.
I always preferred Collins' playing, though Bill is probably slightly technically superior. Phil just always came across as more musical to me, and his fills were always just perfectly thought out and executed to bring the most out of the music, which I never felt about Bill. Of course, music is inherently subjective so that's just me.
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway... that album is simply a master class in progressive rock drumming from start to finish, Phil is monstrous on the kit.
I still love Bill though, in Yes and most especially King Crimson. He's undeniably a master and one of the all-time greats.
So right..
Just discovered Bill's station. He's always been one of my favorite musicians (even though I play keyboards and guitar). This is just great! So many great videos to see, it's gonna take me a while to catch up! Thank you, Bill!
Bruford + Collins ; Collins + Thompson ; Bruford + Mastelotto. Genesis + King Crimson = great music !
Bill, what a monster! Amazing work with Yes and, of course, with Genesis!. We love you!. I respect you and admire you!
Seconds Out. My first Genesis Album. I was always overwhelmed by the drumming!One of the best time on Genesis. From old to the new area! Bill's playing is clearly audible
Bill only plays 1 song on that album unfortunately
Hi Bill, I’m so glad you’ve set up this RUclips channel. I’m looking forward to any and all content you choose to share. All the best to you.
Cinema Show on Seconds Out is a masterpiece of twin-drummer playing. Let's not forget either that the quality of the live recording production and stereo mix were masterful for 1977, paticularly as there was no desk automation, nor digital mixing assistance.
Two of my Favorite Drummers
Thank you for sharing always great to hear the stories of my favorite bands and musicians from them.
I saw the tour. Bruford got a huge ovation when Phil introduced him then Phil said "he'll want more money!"
It was a truly epic concert. There's a live recording of this duo on Seconds Out playing Cinema Show - mind blowing.
Bruford is just outstanding…effortless
I got to meet you years ago in Kansas City at "Explorer's Percussion". Thank for putting all of this together for us on your channel. Life long fan!
Saw the Trick of the Tail show at the Burbank Starlight Ampitheater. UNBELIEVABLE show! I went home and laid in bed all night, there was no way of getting to sleep after this show. Magical.
An amazing meeting! Two great drummers playing in a great band!
I've seen BB with UK, KC, Yes, and himself. It always amazed me
how he made all that great sound while sitting there looking like a statue from the elbows up.
Thanks for this new Channel Bill and all you are sharing. I first saw in Yes in 1971, then King Crimson, UK , National Health and Bruford. Sadly did not catch the Genesis tour but good to see some here. 2 of my favourite drummers!
Both you guys are big inspirations for me.
After all these years of Chester who was so invested it’s interesting to hear you talk a bit about it. But I see how comfortable they were with you for that moment! It really comes across…x
My God Phil and Bill on the stage together…drumming heaven
Thanks for sharing this record with us, Bill!
"Cinema Show" is 10 of the finest minutes of music from the second half of the 20th century.
YES!
I actually spoke to people that didn't even realize Phill played drums, or if they did, they just thought of the pop songs. They didn't know about Brand X or even the early Genesis.
The most telling sentence here is when bill said " he was not required to have any emotional involvement....better if you didn't".. Cheers banks and ruthers
Supreme musicians.
I had no idea! Brilliant!
Fantastic interviews and video. Didn’t know they played together in Brand X too. Love that band.
The number of music legends that passed through Genesis through the years is crazy.
I really enjoy hearing Phil say “Get’em Out by Friday.”
Bill Bruford + Phil Collins = drum heaven
yes, Sir -- "Blue Rondo" was inspiration for many of us
fabulous channel -- many thanks
Let's go! Loving the new Bruford channel.
It's interesting that Bill said that "We play alike", because I remember Phil telling a story in one of the books that came ou tin the 80's, about how back before he was in Genesis, he was a big Yes fan. Apparently, he went to see them one night, the scuttlebutt in the room being that Bill was quitting and going back to university. So after the show, Phil goes backstage, and talks to, i think he said it was Jon Anderson, who told him to "Give us a call, and come down for a play". Phil said he never called and never went down to play with the lads. And of course, Bill changed his plans and stayed the course for a few more years.
It was a cool era of Genesis to watch, that's for sure.
What a Duo. A couple years later in 78, it would be Chester Thompson. Another great talent .
Neil Peart's blurb at the end of this clip "Not just for drummers" also applies to this channel. Loving the content!
That concert was great! I can understand how being a hired gun can rub you the wrong way. I also prefer being in a band. That way the decisions mean more to me. Like I'm more likely to do whatever makes them happy if I'm hired, but if I'm in the band, I have more attachment for getting my style in the mix and more willing to voice what I want the parts to be. If only I were able to see you play live! Luckily we have this channel!
Bill and Phil. Two Gods of drumming. I've seen them play, met one of them and borrowed (stolen) drumsticks from both. Life has it's good moments.