Bill Bruford - Indiscipline
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Bill Bruford performing "Indiscipline" live at his Drum Clinic at Mohawk College, November 14, 2006 in Hamilton, ON. Best video quality I've seen so far from this clinic, but I should have brought a tripod :-(.
Damn I love King Crimson. I wish more people could appreciate their music rather than the typical hard rock or punk bands. Bill's one of my favourite drummers.
I Love Bruford. Amazing Cerebral Drummer. His Early Yes stuff( The First Self Titled and 2nd L/P Time And A Word Show How far ahead of his youth he truly was ) Is Dynamic and after Close To The Edge he felt he needed to expand his horizons and That that was The Top of The Pinnacle as far as drumming for Yes was concerned. His Crimson work and Uk speak for themselves. Other great Rock Drummers with The similar Jazzy Skills were IMHO Phil Collins( his drumming on S.E.B.T.P was more than exceptional as was much of the Lamb. His Brand X stuff is The Icing as far as I’m concerned ) is Great as well as Mitch Mitchell(R.I.P.), Ginger Baker(R.I.P.), Robert Wyatt, Carl Palmer( Fast and Flashy at times due to ELP’s demands, but incredible timing and never sloppy, his early Atomic Rooster and Crazy World of Arthur Brown shows the Procession of Greatness ) excellent and The Only Rock drummer of interest to The Late Great Buddy Rich, Phil Er hart, John Pannazzo (R.I.P.), Keith Moon( Crazy Wild Style, but his Fills along with Entwhistles Master Bass Playing defines the Who with one of the greatest Rhythm sections in rock history), Charlie Watts( severely underrated ), Nick Mason( even more under appreciated, especially early Floyd pre- Dark Side of The Moon...... Live in Pompeii shows his skills with a minimal Kit ), Neil Peart ( The Professor for a Reason ), Danny Carey, Gavin Harrison, Barrymore, etc... many others I failed to list as well. Some rocked out at times, but all are quite skilled( some more than others obviously ). Bruford is right there at the Top though IMHO. Wish he would have toured with Genesis longer than only The Trick of the Tail Tour, but his awesome improvisational playing didn’t fit the repetitious exact standards of Genesis at times. On Seconds Out Live Genesis Album, it’s him playing on Cinema Show and it’s phenomenal as always. Wish he’d come back from retiring, but he’s been around for ages and has absolutely nothing to prove.
like Fripp once stated,"Bill is a jazz musician with the discipline of a classical musician and the creativity of a freelancer.
Wow!
He also said why are you messing with my time? You will not mess with my time.
@O craque cmon it's not rocket science mate.
@@andym28 did he?
@@BigWill2k they had some issues another thing that annoyed bruford was fripp saying he wanted him to develop a style for crimson only which was mentioned in the documentary prog britannia on youtube.
Look at that. He's got cleaner playing, neater rudiments, and faster chops than most rock drummers and he's not flailing all over the place like some of those circus acts out there-but instead by the end of this he looks more like he's standing still in front of his kitchen counter, dicing cucumbers or something. It's fascinating, really.
Well no shit he's not playing rock! At no point was I rocking out to anything he played; so of course he doesn't look like a drummer who is "rocking out" lol. He is good but he's definately not rocking right here, just showing off his old man jazz drum roll skills.. fucking boring. Now yourgonna try and come back with but look how precise his strokes are, yeah yeah stroke me, there's a reason no one can head bang to this. There's no good rhythm.
Kendell Reese That's because you don't know what comes *after* this part in the tune, you callow little clown.
Hahaha. Kendall doesn't "get it".
Kendell Reese "King Crimson doesn't have good rhythm" lol try again
Kendell Reese _"At no point was I rocking out... fucking boring. There's no good rhythm."_ --Kendell Reese
Rock solos seldom demonstrate this level of jolting power, dynamic contrast, and metrical intrigue. Phenomenal rock drummers are consistently playing terrible solos, typically resorting to grooveless bashfests and soulless celebrations of technical wizardry. I was just listening to some Mike Mangini and Marco Minnemann, and those guys -- despite their Berklee pedigrees and world-class chops -- just seem to be unwilling to do what it takes to craft thought-provoking solos centered on dynamics-laden, alluring motifs with plenty of breathing space.
Kendell, this Bruford track is a stellar display of high-end rhythmic composition, and if you were to give _Indiscipline_ a chance and really study it, I guarantee you would come around not only on it, but on Bruford generally. It would assuredly influence your playing, and bring you to a higher plane of competence and comprehension. This is complex, heady stuff, and it takes a lot of curiosity and investigation to go willingly into this polyrhythmic world and develop the knowledge necessary to appreciate it. Keep the drums alive, my man.
Bill is just always in the right place at the right time. He's never playing catch up or driving too fast.
Saw him with Yes in 71' Crimson in 74' and then Crimson 80'-84' and with Earthworks a bunch of times. He never ceases to amaze me. He has such subtle technique combined with a real musical intellect that a lot of drummers never develop.
Bruford is so efficient in his playing that he hardly raises a sweat - if drumming was a power source , he'd be a hydrogen fuel cell!
I repeat myself when under stress....
Mike Gervasi - "I LIKE IT!"
We can all appreciate that Bruford's playing oscillates wildly between time and space, yet somehow...
it remains consistent.
I DO think it's good!
What a pleasure it is to watch Bruford play.
I do think its good
I LIKE IT
the mooore i look at it...
I WISH YOU WERE HERE TO SEE IT
The fact is
It remains consistent.
He is definitely ONE OF A KIND!
Jo Hammerstein HAH
Ahaha good one
I see what you did there!
Strange how it is my favorite Bill Bruford video on RUclips
The Legend Bill Bruford. Dynamic, clean, powerful and precise.
This has to be one of the coolest things that has ever happened in Hamilton, Ontario.
Neil Peart loading his drums into his mom's Pinto to go to that audition with Rush is another.
I think Hamilton must be the Mecca of drumming now.
BILL BRUFORD STILL AND ALWAYS GREAT.
a true musician knows...TEMPO...tempo, time...TEMPO...THATS WHY HE IS A MASTER...TEMPO, TEMPO
Do not disturb!!! Genius at work!! 🥁 🎶
Absolute legend, nothing less
What's amazing is he had it as early as the first Yes album.. The song "A Venture" on The Yes Album just astounds me what he does at the end and yet it couldn't have been miked more perfectly.
His work with Yes is wonderful! Steve Wilson remixed The Yes Album recently, where there's an extended version from the original recording. Here's the longest recording I could find however: ruclips.net/video/W8iDFIgnaus/видео.html
269,826 views, *sweet*. I like to think some of these views are the result of people like Neil Peart and Danny Carey mentioning to people who may not have been aware of Bruford ...."there's this pioneer drummer named Bill Bruford we all were blown away by growing up"
Bill Bruford? ALWAYS in style.
Bill's technique is genius
Okay, I scrolled through plenty of comments and no one said anything about his setup. He started using this setup just a few years before he retired. It's harder to tell in this video than in others, but, as you can see his hi-hats are right in front of him, all of the toms and his snare drum look parallel to the ground. Also, instead of the typical arrangement of toms where they get bigger from left to right, or from right to left, it looks like they're arranged like a set of quads (tenors) in a marching band drumline. I'm just a little surprised that no one said anything about the setup. Why would he wait until the last few years of his career to make such a significant change?
I suspect he wasn't planning on retiring when he decided to explore a new setup. I wish he would come out of retirement.... I miss his inventiveness.
drulius That's a good point. Yeah, I'd love to see him, Belew, Fripp, Levin, and whoever else get back together and record another King Crimson album. I'm not holding my breath though.
Its interesting that you noticed the setup , i am not a drummer but i technically experiment on them , the hi-hat in front is probably for ease of movements , i also noticed the base-drum is right next so he can sit in the center, with right foot on the bass and left foot (hi-hat) on a pedal extension to the left (well i'm not sure) in an even distance , thus having his body straight, and crashes splashes n all that are evenly on the left and right. He once said on an interview that he is not pleased with his left hand , maybe this is his solution to work on it. Great !
frigital He said he wasn't pleased with his left hand? So modest. Do you remember when that interview occurred? As for this setup, I wonder why he started using it just before he decided to retire. He may have been experimenting with new setups before that decision came along. Too bad a certain setup didn't fire him up enough to postpone retiring for a few more years.
drewper73 This setup first appeared in 1998, and he retired Jan 1 2009. Plenty of time to explore that configuration.
if i had continued playing drums from highschool until now i would never have approached this.
wonderful performance!
I've been playing since I was 8 and after 39 years of practice I think I might be showing a little improvement...but nowhere near Bill Bruford! He's simply incredible. One of my favorite drummers of all time!
In the 1980's I saw him twice with Pat Moraz, at the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly, playing their acoustic jazz work.
Got to have pizza with him and Pat before the 2nd Chestnut Cab Concert.
Very nice and open guy who lives and breathes music and drums
A philosopher of drums... (with four brains)
This man is beyond brilliant :)
Hard to believe this incredible drummer used to play for Yes - and then quit! His drumming on those first 5 Yes albums was the foundation of their sound. After he left they became zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz for me. Lovely songs, lovely playing by Rick and Chris and Steve et al, lovely vocals by Jon, lovely harmonies....weird-as-fuck lyrics by Jon (of course), very dull drumming, very ordinary rock time-keeping. But in the beginning, behind all those guitars and keyboards and vocals was a jazz drummer extraordinaire. And it worked so damn well. What a loss for Yes, but what a career for Bill - THE greatest drummer in my lifetime.
I dont know if he could have played the Relayer tunes as well as Alan
Relayer was incredible
I agree almost 100%. Bruford was unmatchable as far as Yes was concerned, but one Album Alan White( his replacement and as you stated more of a Rock Drummer ) is surprisingly exceptional on is Relayer. Not near Bruford’s Level, but Very Good Drumming nonetheless. Definitely better then his drumming on Tales, Going for The One, Tormato or Drama.
@@philseida5238 Since Bill was always his own man he oftentimes drove his bandmates crazy. He kept them on their toes when maybe they wanted to settle into what they had written and play it the same night after night. So the arrival of Alan White brought predictability and stability behind the drums. Maybe Alan played what he was told to play? Maybe it was the post-CTTE music Steve and Chris and Jon wrote that called for more basic drumming? Whatever the case I found Yes music relatively boring after Bill left. The drumming on Relayer is frantic and frenetic, very intense, driving. Still just a lot of noise to me.
I listen again and again to Bill's drumming on Roundabout, say, and Heart Of The Sunrise as great Yes music. Bill drives the music, yes, AND fills the soundscape with his light jazzy touches too. In many ways Alan's coming was timed perfectly: Yes was now big enough to play in huge arenas and stadiums, where a driving basic-rock drummer could be heard. Bill's jazzy nuances would have been lost in such places; he would have had to resort to basic 4-4 bashing in this context ( as he indeed did on the ABWH tour, where he played his own Yes songs much like Alan had, sad to say. ).
The ONLY thing I don't like that Alan White does is when he kept the beat straight in Starship Troopers. I always prefer Bill Bruford's drumming on that. Apart from that Alan White is one of my favorite drummers. Tales From Topographic Oceans, Relayer, Going For The One, 90125 and Big Generator are some of my favorite albums of all time, let alone favorite Yes albums.
I found out that Bill was raised 20 minutes away from where I was raised in Kent UK. He has always been a huge influence on my drumming.
The more I look at it, the more I like it. I do think it's good.
The master of beat displacement and an absolute gentleman.
No one can do a hemiola like Bill Buford!
Superb. Even this drum set concept with hi-hat out front and center and all drums at same height is brilliant.
He is truly a surreal drum player.
Bill's sense/understanding of time is right up there with the great Hindustani and Carnatic Indian classical musicians....
Impeccable technique and posture. Relaxed shoulders while playing insane patterns. Watch and learn.
BILL BRUFORD ROCKS LIKE FEW OTHER PEOPLE DO. He does a thing that is both original and is executed with great deal of technical and creative ability.
Amazing. So tasteful.
"an intelligent deployment of drums"
Wow..thank you.. always been a fan.
What Bill says is true, with regard to dynamics. Like a movie or a painting, there are colors and shapes that draw the eye (ear?) & lead to other lines and imagination that requires resolution into one as a whole. Easy to explain and much more difficult to demonstrate... Thank you, William 😁
32 dislike???? who was that??? who can dislike bill brufford?????
Brilliant.
I can't listen to this druming crescendo without having goosebumps all over my arms...
Is and will The best. Ever!!
You need to get out more...If you ask drummers who the greatest drummers are; you would be hard pressed to get him in the top hundred.
Utterly amazing.....nuff said...
the BEST...!
Drummers of the world:
Listen up and learn - you will NEVER be even near equal to this man.
Just keep trying..
+enoboye no self respecting musician should try to copy someone else's playing... to drummers of the world: play a lot and you'll be greater than bruford is.
Either do or don't, there is no try....
bruford is a legend but there are people who have surpassed his skill.
just being born 40 years in the future gives you so much more studies, more ways to practice, and everything is easier. just like every guitar god in the 60's was no match technically, to a guitar god of the 2000's.
travis orbin in my opinion highest skilled drummer in the world, not a lot of people can fight this guy.
never say never
I second that, Collins in 70's was among the gods of the drumkit
Great Bruford! Thank you
I never heard this before. Amazing. Its so strange, I noticed it literally made my pulse speed up and slow down with the changes in tempo. I accomplished something today by discovering this
This is riveting. One of a Kind drummer.
" -& toured with Genesis & recorded with Genesis' guitarist Steve Hackett...."
Rimshot time ! Beautiful.
All these people with Best Drummers and Top 10 Best drummers....just watch this and listen...
Pound by pound, best drummer ever.
3 Seconds in and I'm already commenting on how bad ass this clip is !
I would love to meet Bill someday.
Happy Birthday, Bill!
stunning
BLOODY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great musician.
So cerebral. On another level. Period.
he is truly the Picasso of percussion...
Good analogy...Picasso was very Avante Garde...
FEELS GOOD TO ME
An amazing drummer!
The Best there ever was
Maybe he played this so many times... I like it!!
hes so abstract and technical at the same time. cool
Amazing playing would love to see him open up for Foo Fighters !!!!
The wizard at work . . .
The Dude.
Amazing how much danny carey takes after bill bruford
I saw him when he was doing this clinic tour in Victoria BC.
...I LIKE IT!!
Clearly influenced by the intro In The Dead of Night in which he also played.....HE IS A GENIUS
I go along listening to this and that but always return to bruford as my favourite, almost too good to listen to at times if that makes sense. Hoghead.
I like it!
So creative
Just had sort of a funny, trippy vision: a stiffly starched traps player in a vaudeville pit or show, playing this exact solo in the 1920s, creating quite a stir, huge controversy, and eventually driven out of town by the local magistrate later that night after causing a near riot at the music hall… In another era, this drumming would’ve been considered pretty radical. In our era, in 2024: Still pretty radical, but wink wink, we all know it’s really musical now.
3:40 this part always gets me!
He's the damn god of the drummers... All hail bill
WOW!
The secret is.....Feel
F'in genius... my favourite drummer along with Phil Collins.
Ezequiel Lagos Bill Bruford is class and I agree with you, Phil Collins is/was a great drummer too. It's just a shame that he abandoned his kit to crawl behind the mic as a front man; he should have stayed where he was.
Michael Moran Well, Phil didn't abandon the drum kit completely in 1976. While in concert, during the multiple instrumental sections of Genesis songs, he'd sit back on the kit and play along with Bill Bruford ("A Trick of the Tail" tour only) or Chester Thompson (every tour from 1977 to 1992, and again during the 2006 tour). Needless to say, he played all the drum parts on every Genesis studio record from "Trespass" through "We Can't Dance". I think the partial shift from drums to mic had its pros and cons. Pros: he kept playing where I foresaid, his voice up to 1989-1990 was amazing, he wrote the lyrics and vocal melodies to dozens of truly brilliant Genesis songs between 1977 and 1991; hadn't he become a singer, he is bound to not have pursued a solo career, which I personally find brilliant. Cons: he was poppy, liked chic music - as a singer and writer in Genesis, he also contributed to their artistic decline after "Wind & Wuthering". Signed: Genesis freak since birth (no joke, my father would play their records on a regular basis since I was a little baby... I evolved into a Genesis taliban by the time I hit 13 or 14).
Better to be remembered for what you did at the highest level than to be known for being just another "pop" artist.....despite the financial rewards. There's more to credibility than money.....At least that's how I see it.
Peter Gabriel never lost sight of this and has gained far more respect because of his musical integrity than Phil Collins will ever receive.
As I said, he should have stayed where he was.
Michael Moran I love Phil's solo career as well as a hefty portion of his contributions to Genesis's 1977-1991 output. I suppose we just have different points of view in this aspect. As for the credibility and money issue, I absolutely agree with you. Peter managed to make accessible, quality, sober pop music (or just "art rock") and kept his credibility as an artist. I love Phil, but he really sold out with cr*p like "One More Night", "Sussudio" and "Wear My Hat" ("No Jacket Required" and "Invisible Touch are horrendously produced; the former should have been entitled "No Acoustic Drums Required" or "No Shame Required"...! "Dance Into the Light" has lots of weak songs, too), among other abhominations. He's still f*ucking brilliant in spite of his corniness.
MASTER
Pure alchemy.
sin dudas, el mejor baterista de la historia!
Clearly where Danny got the idea to move his hi hat above his snare. Ergonomically similar in technique.
Dony Wynn was doing it years ago.
I was lucky enough to see him with King Crimson at the Roxy in LA, they knocked the walls off that place.
FUCK YEAH!
🔥👌🔥👌🔥👌🔥👌🔥👌mind blown ....
Bruford is living proof that rudiments are IMPORTANT.
mi favorito de siempre!
dear bill, looks a bit pissed, but loves his skill. Never saw them yes crimson earthworks or Bruford, but he is the first drummer who made me go what the fuck. I enjoyed this download. rock on bill, reform yes..
and then looking at it, to see if I still liked it...
I DID!
I like it
🙏
What is crazy is that modern drummers like matt garstka can displace this by 16th notes and maintain time. As well as displacing this by 16th note triplets.
so whats your point?
@@meshuggahman3225 I'm sorry I didn't conform to your comment standards of not having a 'point,' you neckbeard!
@@mshambaPGrated lol.. just answer me, whats your point? seriously...
@@meshuggahman3225 if it's so important that you know, I was just commenting what was on my mind, and bringing to light the fact that drumming (and drummers) have evolved via the example of matt garstka. This in no way implies that I think of Bruford as being less of a legend than the other legends out there, or that garstka is more of a legend than others.
@@mshambaPGrated lol.. really? "drummers like matt garstka can displace this by 16th notes and maintain time. As well as displacing this by 16th note triplets." whats the point of that if not telling that matt is better than bill... typical snob.
Could you imagine the list of serious musicians in his cell phone contacts!