50 Years on from the Troubles - many fear a return to violence
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2019
- Today marked 50 years since the event which started the Troubles in Northern Ireland as British troops were deployed on the streets to quell violence between the Catholic community and the Royal Ulster Constabulary.(Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
No-one here needs reminding about the years that followed.
Many thought those days had long gone after the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, but Brexit - and specifically talk of a hard border - has brought murmurs of division back into conversations.
And there are many who fear a return to violence.
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50 years on, more like 21 years on
More like “ stuck in a time warp “ the place has gone NOWHERE 🤷♂️
all respect to the young er generation, but they probably don't remember the division, the violence or how bad the economic situation was in Ireland. it is not a game, the peace is vital for everyone in Ireland
There are violent criminals just waiting to pounce and bring back the violence no matter what flimsy excuse they have.
I’m 14 and Irish. I understand how vital it is to keep the peace. My ma and da went through the troubles and I know a lot of stories about it. I also live on a border county.
Kids aren’t raised learning history in school anyway. They’re all glued to their phones.
They probably dont remember who caused it either Westminster I dint even understand how the Irish peace deal is happening while northern ireland exists because that cant surely count for Republicans
The army was not deployed to northern Ireland to quell the trouble between the protestants Catholics the protestants and the British army where the trouble we was lied to as well in England the normal people we have the same oppressors to I will explain how londium became london english civil war irish civil you can call it very similar
Thanks Boris! You're doing more for the cause of Irish reunification than any British PM could ever hope to!
We're going to have to commission a Bojo statue on O'Connell Street, if he keeps it up.
@Carol Spencer from what I gather, there are plenty of moderate unionists who might prefer financial security and the Catholics seem to be close to outnumbering them anyway
@Carol Spencer one can dream...
@Carol Spencer I thought he's the British prime minister? Wouldn't that mean he has a duty of care for the British citizens in Northern Ireland?
@Carol Spencer OK, the good friday agreement makes that basically impossible. He physically has to sort that out before he can do anything else. That's what the back stop was, but now he has decided that he doesn't want to sign up for that so... Here we are
these Irish gentlemen are absolutely correct in their analysis, why are the DUP who represent NI backing Johnston knowing the consequences?
Because they don't like equality, they want to be superior.
Why?
Because the DUP don't care about the good Friday agreement. They were the only major party who were against it. No other party in Northern or Southern Ireland were against the GFA.
For the DUP, if the GFA is thrown under the bus by BoJo then they'll be happy deep down.
@@CyclingInKilkenny if thats the case then they are putting their constituants lives at risk, shouldnt they have a vote of no confidence in them then?
Nick Musselle because the DUP were against the GFA in the first place. The DUP would like nothing more than a hard border with the Republic because then the possibility of Irish reunification can’t happen. It means Unionists have won and Republicans have lost because there will be a hard border between NI and the ROI, which is what unionists have always wanted.
They want war
I'm pleased it's all calmed down now, I did two tours on the border in the 80,s and could never understand the animosity between the different factions.
I like it how the Brexiteer girl sees it as a walk in the park. I mean, after all, she is a unionist, she doesn't give a damn about the fact that Ireland and Northern Ireland will be once again separated because of her vote...
I burst out laughing when she spoke. A ridiculous answer that characterizes everything.....
It's not her fault. She's been sold a pup. It gives me some hope that 3 northern Irish women can agree to disagree like this. 50 year's ago, 2 of those 3 had no voice. I just hope we're not heading back to the bad old days.
Martin....I know I said what I did but tbh it was one of the better discussions about the brexshit disaster I've heard. With so much at stake over there too. Get them all in stormont they might get somewhere
@Jack The Film Fanatic
Complete and utter nonsense, from beginning to end.
I really do not have the time to fillet every ignorant sentence.
However, your claim that "E.U. Forced huge Bank debt on Ireland and they gave up their laws and way of life to them" is egregious tosh.
The Irish bailout was required to deal with a comprehensive failure by successive Irish governments to regulate the Irish housing market and the Irish financial sector.
No, the Irish people did NOT give "...up their laws and way of life to them." The Constitution remains, the legal system functions, the Dáil still sits, and Irish life and culture goes on, with a population which enjoys an increasingly better standard of living than the UK can offer its subjects.
By the way, the RoI has been out of the bailout since the 15th of December 2013. Since then, Ireland has been able to borrow money at lower rates than the UK.
@Jack The Film Fanatic The UK have one land border with the EU and that is on the island of Ireland. UK Brexit policy will make it necessary for Ireland to put up border controls because NI will no longer be in the EU. One way to avoid this border is the current WA and the backstop but the UK are refusing to accept this approach.
So SF are going to push for a border poll - which they will probably get. The unionist/loyalist paramilitaries will oppose this strongly with whatever means necessary. So the threat of violence is a real one. This could easily lead to bloodshed on both sides of the border.
So the UK voted for Brexit. The UK government knew about the necessity of a border between north and south Ireland but yet they never built an approach into their negotiations that would resolve this very obvious issue. So the backstop became the only show in town. The UK knew the EU regulations in relation to land borders with non-EU countries - they have been in the EU long enough. This issue isn't new, the EU hasn't just made it up to annoy the UK. The UK government have acted disgracefully and instead of finding a solution they are defending their stance by saying we are not going to put up a border it is the EU. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. If unionist/loyalist paramilitaries cross the border and bomb irish towns because of a border poll, then the blame will lay at the UK's door. But they don't care so long as they get their Brexit. Any fallout and they will just blame the EU - what a mature and sensible government you have in the UK.
There is a school of thought in the DUP that Brexit will bring them closer to the Union. They don't care about the economic results.
As an outsider, all I can think when I see this is that a united Ireland would be a lot better than this mess. I know that people have different views on what would be the ideal case for Northern Ireland, but if you look at it in a practical way, it does seem better to have a border in the sea than on land. Why go through this mess every other decade because the British PM happens to be an idiot? Borders are human inventions and the land itself in the UK won't go away just because you leave it politically.
BellaMusical borders are not human inventions. Most animals have territories and borders. If you United Northern Ireland then it would cause a war.
las fronteras mantienen un orden administrativo, legal, economico, social y cultural. muchas veces no conviene mezclar las culturas y es deber del estado promover el respeto y la tolerancia hacia el otro, como de mantener el equilibrio social, evitando el malestar general de la poblacion
I’m fucking sorry but are you an Northern Irish citizen?
Them bois and gals won’t let that happen because everyone is calling the English evil even if there is a 4 year old
Triple Gem k
@@lampred9697 The Northern Ireland border is a human invention.
I learned more listening to the gentlemen at 3.00 about why and how it could all go back to how it used to be than Iv learned listening to politicians for 3 years.
Agree totally with you.
Didn't necessarily expect Sara Canning to be in this video but good on her for continuing on being involved and using her voice. Lyra's got her back in spirit, surely
I am sure she has found a new lovebird licking and rolling about 😢😢😢
The fact that so many people in power in Westminster seemed to have no knowledge, no interest, no historical perspective of Ireland and the troubles in Northern Ireland, just shows how arrogant they are. During the Brexit referendum Ireland and the border was never mentioned, except maybe as a brief afterthought... and now we have people in Government like Priti Patel, who things it's a strategy to starve Irish into submission so they leave the EU, and Boris Johnson who basically only cares about the DUP. Well if they thought they'd be protecting the union... think again, Scotland is as good as independent and a united Ireland will follow.
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo It's not immigrants or the EU that threatens your identity or country, it's your own self. Neither immigrants nor the EU, nor Ireland have the power over England that it's own ruling elite have.... can we help it that those who are in the driving seat are suicidal.
UK's international power is now based on it's economic clout, not on overseas territorial colonies, the weaker the economy gets, the less power the UK will have, the less independence it will have. Even hard brexiteers have admitted to me there will be economic damage.
All you will end up with a hard Brexit is a damaged UK, damaged economy, damaged society, damaged international relationships, and a vassal statelet of Trump's white house, who's motto is America first... congratulations!
I'm not dismissing working class people who voted Brexit had concerns and issues they were unhappy about... but Brexit will solve none of them, and those liars at the top who misguide them, will be very oppressive indeed on anyone lower than their own ruling elite..... out of the frying pan, into the fire.
@Fhjthnl Lol Iuyo I presume you are working class English... just be prepared that when the top of the extreme right hard Brexiteers, like Jacob Rees Mogg are in full power in a post Brexit reactionary ultraconservative Britain, you dress appropriately in working class clothes and lower your cap when Jacob Rees-Mogg comes along, your lord and master, oh yes, and it will be church twice a day for you, with mass in Latin.... that's if the Mogg get's his way... and he HAS done so far with halting democracy for 5 weeks.. you will be living back in the golden age you always dreamt of
@@clavichord Brexiters, dumber than Trumpsters, it's hard to believe it's even possible.
As someone from Newry right on the border and grew up on the tail end of the troubles i dont want to see a Hard border i dont wana see this country that i love be plunged back in to the past of bloodshed
Actually feel sad for you all as only the English were asked if they wanted a ref on the EU and then their wants were forced on all others , even when like Scotland you voted against it you are ignored and dragged along with England that is scared to stand alone in its decisions, so will drag as many down with them as they can possibly cling to even if its not what the ppl of the nation want
Well said,violence solves nothing.
It won't be. All you have to do is not start making bombs and blowing up pubs... There. Violence issue solved.
@@mrivard81 is that comment directed to the UVF ?
Basically what I gathered is everyone in Ireland is saying we don't want violence and the interviewer just trying to bring it back to the subject of violence.
This blonde young lady is a bit naive, isn't she?
United Ireland!! Hopefully this will be realised in my lifetime.
That would fix all the protocol issues. The dup hates great Britain as much as they hate the republic
Dublin would be wiped off the map
Calling Oxford educated any one ignorant is beyond ignorant.
Not ignorant in any way. You can be ignorant about anything no matter where you come from. You could go to Oxford but you might be ignorant on the political landscape of Argentina, its the same for everyone. You can be ignorant no matter what school you attend.
That bald dude with the glasses is great!!!!! (5.25)
Polished at private school!!!! YEP!!! lol!!!!
Bald Irish man: The man is no Priminister. He suggested that the border in Northern Ireland was much like the border between Stoke Newington and Islington in London. Why should there be a difficulty here? Now the depth of ignorance! Wow! I mean some people have little gaps in their knowledge about things, I say that Jonson’s knowledge is a little gap in his ignorance! It comes from Eton after all, you know, where it just smooths out the ignorance of the British ruling class, polishes them up and sends them out into the world to rule lesser breeds.
That bald dude is Eamonn McCann.
@@robertosvrahimis3304
Don't really care any more. What will be will be.
Disgrace whats happening in the english exceptionalism botched attempt 3 years in the making. it is the breakup of the british union. The border should be between scotland and britian ,itl be safer , its 96 miles long and 6main roads. the british border in Northern Ireland is 310miles long and 275+ crossings
wales n wessex too (i can dream XD)
@@kimwarburton8490 Go & take a look at yourself talking utter guff
@FuckILoveYouTubby None of my business i want wastemonster Cut Of.
It'll save England a few sheckles, no free prescriptions or massive welfare paid by English taxpayers. Even Nicola fish lips Sturgeon had to admit huge extra austerity would have to be imposed to deal with scottish debt, when Andrew Neil flayed her alive
@@betrthnu3413 You talk some shite ! You need to educate yourself before spouting drivvle England OUT if Ireland AND Scotland !!
"We have a friendly welcome" - wow what a great argument for Brexit.
Johnson’s knowledge is a little gap in his ignorance. Superbly put!
I dont rlly care what way it goes as long as i cam parade amd have a bitta craic in july im happy enough
The "Free Derry" gable logo / design was used in Seattle at the "Free Zone"........Thats impact.....
Lasted about 2 weeks til they started fighting among themselves.
Worst part about a hard border, where am i gonna get me fireworks now?
Now you'll have extra, extra black market opportunity.
A hard border provides.
The absurdity of human nature perfectly personified!
A united Ireland will be the only solution
@DML1888 history could repeat itself maybe the loyalists will start a campaign for 40 years like the provos did??all you benefit scroungers know when your well of in the uk.Dublin wont look after you or the nhs
@@marko196912 We will wipe out the UVF ........
@@michealoregan5643 would you care to explain how exactly?
@@LBALucas111 it's not rocket science........
Well go on then...
It will never stop!!! This is April 202 and they're at it again!! From father to son to son...ad infinitum! Where is the Sense in that??? I thank the Good LORD I emigrated!!
A year- and a global pandemic- later, and the violence has returned.
It's already cold in NI !!
That's right. Marketing and the power of positive thinking will save a no deal Brexit. 🤦♀️
In view of some comments, Dublin may need to do a better job confirming funding Erasmus for people in NI. EHIC as well? In other words, absolutely the same options for young NI young people as in any of the 27 Remain EU nations. Depressing the student on the panel seemed unaware. She will have all the options of students in the ROI, Dublin has assured nothing less. An astonishing accomplishment on behalf of the people in NI by Dublin. Dublin has also assured continued funding for Peace related EU supported projects in NI.
The British government will withdraw just like Hong Kong! I would give it less than 10 years
50 YEARS ON FROM THE BEGINNING, in 2021 its only 22.5 years on from its end, will be 23 years on Good Friday 2021.
As a Canadian watching this fiasco from abroad, it sickening and laughable at what the UK is doing. Just give Ireland back the land you still from them and be done with it. I’m sorry to the unionists who want to remain, but it’s ancestors who caused this mess, not the Irish.
So when do you 'Canadians' give their lands back to its Ancestors and return to Europe? Or do Property Rights only apply to certain nations that suit your political outlook?
Take it from someone whose lived in the republic his whole life,most of us dont give a damn about the North, and ditto about the comment above about the land your people stole from indigenous canadians.
We never stole Ireland? It Joined voluntarily in 1801
Hey thanks Canadian! We never realised it was that simple.
Except the English never sent full armies to subject the people of Canada. 1 million people died from the potato famine alone in Ireland, how many other millions died while battles raged? Comparing it to Canada is a little different. But if you insist, it was also the English who came in and took over! Lol! See the common denominator here???
United Ireland 🇮🇪✊🏻
1916 Eire United ireland full of Africans 😂😂😂
@@aviationiceman9549
Aviation lceman.
So what we are not a RASCIT country we all will be fine ,🇮🇪🇮🇪✌✌
Hrhr Hrhrhr selective racism, don’t like Protestants , Britain or Brazilian students!!!! Ya hypocrite 🖕
@@aviationiceman9549 some of a greatest Republican leaders were protestant ya dope. Dont like loyalists
The people:Well yes but actually no
Respect for saying Derry and not London Derry and at the bottom left having both
Wow that drummer was so humble and right
God save Ireland 🇮🇪 🙏
Us Irish can get along with everyone but ourselves lol I live in Brazil and Australia ex IDF ex ADF half hate the PLO half hate the IRA or IDF etc UVF everyone has an opinion
Could have given them seats for the interview.
Can the Tory party and the DUP leave the UK asap.
Perhaps England minus London should leave the UK and the UK should stay in the EU 😁
Once all the old protagonists from both sides of the troubles are gone a new breed of trouble makers and protagonists will rise and start all over again! And it's already begun!
United Ireland is the way to go. I remember the troubles... Would be very sad to go back to that
All you need is a little bit of population removal for all the people in Northern Ireland that don't want to be united, and problem solved.
May make it worse. Nationalists can be every bit as narrow minded and arrogant as their loyalist counterparts, and Sinn Fein triumphalism and arrogance could well reignite a loyalist movement. Even now that bald dude couldnt hide his contempt for Britain. And most people down south couldnt give a damn one way or the other. Both factions of the north are fighting to be part of two separate entities who dont really care about them. Why not an independent state without shitty divisive flags and stupid marching bands and songs. Thats the best way forward imo.
Gay marriage and abortion that is what the European union is all about
Blood Angel like half of Africa 😂😂😂😂
@@Pinkpanther100x Crawl back into your cave fella
Keep them fighting, don't want them thinking.
THIS GUY IS THE GUY THAT RDJ WALKED OUT ON! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
That blonde unionist how dare her
David Healy those republicans! How dare they!!!!
Blonde and Unionist. Need I say more.
I think it was silly of Ireland to sign a treaty with Britain circa 2007-2009 saying that they agree that it's okay for Britain to leave the EU if it wants to. Irish Republicans could be very angry with the Irish government for doing that.
It’s Britain’s choice not Ireland’s . Since independence,Ireland doesn’t have the right to but into British affairs nor do we in yours .
@Aaron O ' Cathain it's TRUE! It's the uk not Britain. Just rushed typing I'm afraid.
Same old Ireland getting shat on yet again shocking
There will probably be a porous border, a border in name only. But as for the rest of the EU.. who knows. Northern Ireland should really be allowed to have a finger in each pie and negotiate for themselves, however this is probably going to result in the independence question once more.
I don't think there will be widespread violence, there's always nasty little scumbags that just want to cause upset but they can be discounted for what they are. The majority do not want the return to violence and that tends to be the deciding factor in matters like this.
@DML1888 By scumbags I mean the kind of people that always throw rocks and set fire to cars in protests. I mean the kind of people who deliberately destroy everything they can. They want trouble, they will be the ones to cause it.
Not "local people", if you want to engage with me don't twist my words and attribute your own narratives in an attempt to make me look bad.
I understand what is going on and I would not be happy with it either.
How am I supposed to know what is going to happen with certainty? If everyone got what they wanted all of Ireland would be permitted to trade with the EU as an EU member, trade across Ireland would be without restricton and negotiate trade with the rest of the UK. That would be nice but... it's never so simple.
"This is a wonderful country" hardly seems like a strong argument for Brexit
Ireland is a wonderful country and it will be even more wonderful united
@Brandon Exactly - Ireland belongs to the Irish
Kashmir and Northern Ireland are similar in so many ways.
Not really.
@@Defaultname0000
"Not Really" How come?
@@LemensProducts -- One is full of browns and the other is of good Ulster stock.
United Ireland! Problem solved!
John Ruddy yep or Ireland leaves the eu and defends their culture like us
Say What bit extreme m8 😂 there European tho there are brothers and sisters
That's up to the people of Northern Ireland, not you.
@@saywhat303 you seem be under the illusion loyalists will be allowed to go about their violence without resistance.
Say What your delusional man. Wake up.
you are now entering free derry
Anyone who fears draws fear
'Even if ya take the milk outta me tae, it's still a wandarfal countri'
And now, here we are! Tks brexit.
Ireland didn’t vote for Brexit; honour the will of the people!
Some people will have done.
Love how talking about the Troubles, Chan 4 get Brexit in and supposedly how bad it's going to be.
Alway doom and gloom with Channel 4. BBC. ITV sky news. Just sick to death of the bullshit. All because we Brixit from EU.
That’s because Brexit is a massive clusterfuck.
"50 years on from the Troubles" .. notice Troubles (with a capital "T") - Lets be totally honest - the only people keeping this going is the politicians. It keeps them in the "spotlight", it gives them their "15 mins" of fame
True no one in Ireland under 50 gives a damn anymore.
@@nifralo2752 sinn fein top the elections and its young people pushing the votes
@@nifralo2752 you'd be surprised
Londonderry is the only place name with 6 consecutive silent letters.
Deserves more likes
MrEarthling99 More like 6 nonexistent letters 😉
MrEarthling99 toilet 🚽
18:45 Maybe she hasn't been keeping up on current events.
SMASH!
Why are they standing like this? Is Ch4's budget so low, they can't afford chair or something? What new age guru thought of this format?
Ignorant comments. Any british union ending brexiteers on to give a solution to the british border in northern ireland?
Noticed the lack of the DUP too. Telling
@@Gillemear Dont think anyone noticed . Cant say anything 'its their culture'
@@ScottishRoss27 I noticed. Am not surprised but I do agree with you. It is DUP policy to dictate rather then negotiate. Looks like Johnson has learned this lesson from them. Problem is if you are not the stronger side, you just look ridiculous.
@Philip Mulhern Honestly I understand the sentiment and even feel that way myself at times but I strongly believe that our Irish culture and tradition can accommodate the Unionists as fellow if different citizens of a united Ireland. We did so with the Vikings and the Normans, we are doing so with are newcomer population from all over the globe, we can do so, however hard that might be and whatever sacrifices that might entail, with those of the North who feel uncomfortable joining us. Let's show them that we are not what they fear, a dominant Catholic dictatorship, but fellow Irishmen and women who respect and tolerate difference and seek to learn from what is not our own.
@@Gillemear unfortunately the hard line unionist /loyalist population see the ROI as the house of evil. They will never agree to a united Ireland. The DUP currently have no problem with selling out their farmers, business people, etc.. If there is a no-deal brexit then any serious conversation about a border poll or a united Ireland will only create problems that this island does not want at this time. It is all good and well politicians in Dublin talking about a united Ireland but it is ROI people living close to the border that will ultimately suffer. Is a united Ireland worth the lives of more innocent people?
NI needs to make a free trade agreement with NZ and Australia
Why ?
that implies NI being an independent nation
So just let Britain destroy the Irish economy and ruin the peace process ... No trade agreement on the island of Ireland but it's ok we can buy boomerangs and sheep
Georgina is delusional.
It's not '50 years on from The Troubles!' Did a 12 year-old think of this title?
theonlyantony it’s is 50 years of the troubles you are wrong
50 years from the start of the Troubles though, right?
At least he calls the county the right name.
Hey it's the guy who pissed off Robert Downy jr
The British military and security forces were not a neutral force trying to quell the violence between IRA and unionist paramilitary organizations. Among the things that they did was that they extracted information from IRA suspects by torture, and passed the names of Catholics to be murdered to unionist terrorists, so that the latter would eliminate them. Sometimes British security forces themselves murdered Catholics, because they were absolutely above the law. If the police tried to investigate, they were told not to. No wonder the Catholic population saw the IRA as their defenders, and the British as their enemy.
What a load of nonsense.
We’re is Northern Ireland never herd of it ?
"This is a wonderful country". Some of most beautiful places hide a dark past. Wonderful or not. Tory politics will decide.
Yeah, nice try, except for that 'small aspect' that the Other Party, you know, the EU REFUSES to negotiate, even after seeing the former treaty proposal DIE 4 TIMES!
It is the EU which is responsible for NOT willing to negotiate.
Boris Johnson cannot get a treaty when the EU has ALREADY DECIDED that it will NOT negotiate!
@@jrbailey3208 The EU laid out its red lines more than 3 years ago. We all knew what they were. TM decided to ignore and counter with hers to appease the ERG. She then compromised more than they (EU) did to reach a deal, for which the ERG did not accept. The EU have already negotiated and reached an agreement. It's not been accepted by the UK Parliament. Who do you think is to blame?
@@dmlewey
You present me with all the evidence I need to corroborate my point: the EU STARTED with 'their red lines' before negotiations even began, and the EU KNEW those 'red lines' would NOT be acceptable to the British Parliament!
Take a look at the Vote Tallies for ALL 3 Rejections of the EU's 'red lines'!
Labor rejected the EU red lines. Libs rejected EU red lines. Tories rejected EU red lines.
The rejection was NOT just simply, as Channel 4 and other Remainers wish to present, solely a Tory responsibility!
The numbers tell the tale: the EU wanted Great Britain on its KNEES, kowtowing to Brussels, and that is the stance they took from the very beginning.
When two parties come to the table to negotiate 'in good faith', they do NOT bring 'red lines' and certainly do NOT shout those red lines loudly and repeatedly in the media, which is what Barnier, Juncker, et al, exactly did!
The EU has NEVER negotiated 'in good faith', and you've proven it for me, as does the public record of EU speeches, interviews, etc.
World Trade Organization Terms are NOT 'crashing out', and the very same people who lamented from the roof tops, promising dire consequences and the sky falling IF Great Britain did NOT abandon the pound in favor of the Euro, are the SAME voices promising death and destruction, and 'woe unto us' calamity, should GB leave on WTO Terms.
@@jrbailey3208 The EU would never grant the UK a more favourable deal than the current one whilst being outside the SM. Only a fool, a Tory fool would believe otherwise. Ideology over brains. Still, they went ahead with Brexit without thinking this through. WTO is crashing is out as there are many other aspects to to EU membership that will hang in the balance, not just trade. The opposition would also never be party to a Tory led Brexit because the Tories are the Party to lower worker's rights.
@@dmlewey
Sadly, I see you are letting severe personal biases enter the fray in this matter.
You clearly do NOT believe in allowing empirical evidence and facts to lead the way in finding solutions to any given problem, certainly not in the matter of economics.
You sound as if you might believe in that worst of all political evils, socialism. Socialism, empirically speaking, leads in every case, to the utter demise of the individual's conscious understanding of 'self worth', and of understanding that a day's labour provides the impetus which leads to a positive view of self worth.
NOTHING except the Love of God in this life, is 'free': everything must be earned outside that Love, everything outside that Love, has a cost thereto attached.
The Cradle of Socialism, Russia/Soviet Union, proved beyond any doubt, that socialism cannot work, because the foundational doctrines of socialism deny and reject human nature as it exists in reality.
Socialism, whatever the form and format, is a religion based on personally subjective biases, which can never be fulfilled, thus precipitating horrific violence against those it purports to support, once those individuals conclude that they will NEVER be the beneficiaries of socialist 'programs'.
Russia, Red China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, all are prime examples of socialism at its worst.
Labour under Corbyn has proven just how quickly, and how ugly, socialism leads people into denigrating others, based upon 'category' and that regardless of 'how it looks', the people in certain categories will be pursued, demonized, denigrated, and attacked, first verbally and soon physically, because they belong to an 'undesirable' group.'
Corbyn's hatred of Jews and of Israel is the most recent example of just how far a Western Party can fall, when it is based on the relativism of socialism. Corbyn's Purge of pro-Jewish MP's, bureaucrats, and affiliates within Labour, prove my point, and it shall only get WORSE!
You however, will no doubt reject these verifiable facts and empiricism, because they do NOT fit your world view and certainly not the premises upon which you predicate your world view.
Great Britain could very well find itself in the middle of first a political civil war, and then, with a Sharia Jihadist push at just the right moment, a blood in the streets fighting civil war.
Historically speaking, you'd be surprised just how thin is the veneer of 'civilization' when innocents are demeaned, then violence is used against them without good reason; which the non-Muslim populations (many non-white) of Great Britain are now feeling from Labour, and the Govt. bureaucrats who support Labour.
The hack of Bobby sands mk2 ffs 🤦🏼♂️😅
Started by an English King in 1609. Cemented by a British government in 1921. Prolonged by the Tories 1979-1998. Ended by Labour, The Irish government, The US and The EU in 1998. Reignited by the Tories and UKIP in 2016. And yet, it’s sold that it’s the pesky Irish who are the problem.
“We May fear the conflict will come back”
If you live in Belfast you’re fucked if you’re somewhere else you’re fine
What do you call an Irishmen with Stockholm syndrome? A loyalist
Fine Gael !
A Republican
Or Ireland could leave the e.u ..... just a thought 🇬🇧
Or Britain could leave Ireland... just a thought 🇮🇪
Never.
What is the f..problem with Brexit?? I know I am from Austria and I did not get my medication for 2 year's because of Brexit, but they gave me the same from another company. You are Ireland or Northern Ireland, I cannot see the problem. And IF go to the British government!!
The problem with brexit to irish is where the border will go. Republicans won't accept a hard border and the unionists won't accept a border in the sea
Boris Johnson, again, is completely out of it. Luckily, there is some agreement there to build on.
It's amazing that the Brexit didn't anticipate this. What s disaster.
You realise the troubles only ended in 1998..?
Free Derry.
Derry City fc play in the Republic of Ireland league
Don't tell the Unionists that BoJo is a baptised Catholic!
Over forty US presidents were prod. AND?
@@mufc20timesbitches36 AND?
haven't a clue what your point is. wtf does US presidency have to do with the price of the price of onions?
'The troubles" ... simply called that, rather than what it was... a "war". If it wasn't defined as a war, then the British government could do what they liked with impunity... and they did. Do the media call the conflict in the Falklands "a spot of bother", nah, I thought not, I wonder why not? hmmm.
How about a United Celtic States - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall & Isle of Mann, Brittany and Galicia? 😊
I'm from the US and have been following this closely. Hoping it all works out for the best. Politicians aren't much help anywhere. Stay safe there.
only a trade/economic union, us celts have had enough of being ruled by other countries
There is never going to be a united ireland for the same reason there is no hard boarder
Just 3miles from donegal!
No Surrender
Ireland has gone from being part if Britian to a Vatican vassal to being a colony of Microsoft.
Teagan - hasn't Dublin committed to funding Erasmus for people in NI. EHIC as well? As I understand it, you are fully cared for in that respect? Dublin has also assured continued funding for Peace related EU supported projects in NI.
None of these people who fight there Christian bothers are truly Christian
And I'm Catholic
REGIONAL DEVOLUTION OF THE UK .. BREAK UP ON 1`00 YEAR CONTRACT , build proper powerhouses ... London will starve as they rely on the rest of us
that is not the case though is it. the south of england does more in money than all the isles and the north put together
If ye do not want any mire fights and "terrorist" attacks as ye caln them give us back northern ireland
Did that protty just admit to being on both sides a tha barricade?
they were only gone 30 years
Claim to want peace but refuse to dismantle the paramilitaries on both sides even ignoring murders they continue to commit
The ira aren't ran by sinn fein anymore so sinn fein can't dismantle the ira
@@user-ze8yy8jg1f ra don't exist anymore, it's over
@@jackietreehorn5561 tell that to the 5 ira groups all over ireland
@@user-ze8yy8jg1f clowns the lot of them...no one wants them..what could they possibly achieve, with miniscule support...
@@jackietreehorn5561 watch the news and tell me they Don't exist. They attacked an armoured police car just last night in tyrone
Now it’s starting up again
The mistake you made was asking a paddy a question and expecting an intelligent answer without mentioning violence.
Celtic Freedom from Londonistan.
Hes got Eton Boris down to a T
Dont shoot Boris Johnson in the head
He has nothing in it that would be damaged :-)