Top Five Sci-Fi Dreadnoughts

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024

Комментарии • 1,2 тыс.

  • @Spacedock
    @Spacedock  5 лет назад +140

    This episode was voted for by Spacedock Patrons! Join the Officer's Club for your chance to vote!
    www.patreon.com/officialspacedock

    • @blighty8607
      @blighty8607 5 лет назад +3

      Spacedock, please think about doing another verses episode!! How about a Wraith Hive Ship vs a Mercury Class Battlestar? The Battlestar's flak field vs the Hives Dart complement could be very interesting! 👍🤞

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy 5 лет назад +1

      Spacedock The Nova is definitely a good choice for the list, though I think the definition of "dreadnought" comes from the 1900s version, as Wikipedia states:
      "...The designers of dreadnoughts sought to provide as much protection, speed, and firepower as possible in a ship of a realistic size and cost. The hallmark of dreadnought battleships was an "all-big-gun" armament, but they also had heavy armour concentrated mainly in a thick belt at the waterline and in one or more armoured decks. Secondary armament, fire control, command equipment, and protection against torpedoes also had to be crammed into the hull."
      That definitely sounds like the Nova class in a nutshell. huge guns of the same size, crammed with as many features as possible in a small space, in a realistic size and cost.

    • @twdog8106
      @twdog8106 5 лет назад +1

      Spacedock
      I’m curious, at what point does a ship stop being a ship and starts being a mobile space station?
      For example, the Death Star and the Supremacy.
      The Death Star is MASSIVE, mobile, FTL equipped, and more than capable of controlling an entire system on it’s own (this doesn’t even touch on it’s superweapon).
      The supremacy meets all these same criteria (minus superweapon) and is capable of producing and maintaining their fleets main battleships.
      So why is one considered a ship, and the other a mobile space station?

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy 5 лет назад +1

      Spacedock Wanted to also comment on your comments on both the Eclipse and the Executor. I find it hard to believe that a modern-day aircraft carrier carries only half of the Eclipse's entire fighter wing. That's one thing I've never understood about Star Wars, is their pitiful fighter compliments for their massive ships. With a ship the size of the Executor, I could easily see them carrying ten times that, and still have plenty of space for everything that the ship carries. It really boggles my mind that they undersize the compliments so much.
      Also... the Jem'hadar Dreadnought? Probably my favourite Star Trek ship ever. Good choice.

    • @lordgong4980
      @lordgong4980 5 лет назад

      I dont get why anyone would disliked the Destiny Ascension.
      I am not a SiFi purist in the vain that a ship doesn't necessarily need to "work" as a space vessel.
      Also all Asari ships have the same base design so disliking the DA is disliking the Whole Asari design

  • @the_kraken6549
    @the_kraken6549 5 лет назад +918

    Executor super star destroyer: “I fear no ship, *[points at an A-wing]* but that thing, it scares me.”

    • @gusp6612
      @gusp6612 5 лет назад +31

      THE_KRAKEN that’s a stupid and lazy end to that ship.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 5 лет назад +69

      @@gusp6612 ,
      It's properly using its greatest design flaw... an exposed bridge to full effect...

    • @frostyoreo8657
      @frostyoreo8657 4 года назад +25

      @@gusp6612 The ship suffered great damage to the engine causing it to go into the gravitational pull of the death star.But the bridge was the only thing keeping it in place until the bridge was destroyed.Also Akbar said to concentrate all power to that super star destroyer.But I do agree on screen it is underwhelming.

    • @frostyoreo8657
      @frostyoreo8657 4 года назад +2

      @@aralornwolf3140 I never got the argument that a bridge is a bad idea.What if the ship is disabled and holograms can trick you.

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 4 года назад +12

      @@frostyoreo8657 ,
      *Sigh*
      There is a difference between a view port, which is what you're arguing for, and the bridge.
      Here's an excerpt from pages 357 to 358 from Manxome Foe first paperback edition written by John Ringo and Travis S. Taylor:
      "Any ship, even a Dreen ship, is going to have brain, muscle, and lungs," Berg said. "That's the way one of my teachers put it one time. The brains on a normal ship is the conn. The muscles are engineering. The lungs are environmental. Kill anyone of those, and the ship stops. Well, actually since it can probably shift brains, the exception is conn."
      "And if we kill the ship, we kill ourselves, Preister pointed out. "If we take it down, the _Blade_ and the Hexosehr will blast it to pieces. And that assumes that six marines can even _can_ take it down."
      "Got a better idea?" Hinchcliffe asked. "Then that's the plan. We need to figure out where the brains, the lungs and the muscles of this ship are."
      "I would suggest we wait on engineering," Berg said.
      "Reason?"
      "Well, Staff Sergeant, I don't know _how_ to shut down a fusion reactor," Berg admitted. "And unless you've taken a learning annex I don't know about..."
      End Excerpt
      For context of shifting brains, the ship they were on was a dreadnought. It was the flagship of a small task group composed of itself, a carrier, 2 cruisers, and 12 destroyers. There should be a bridge for the captain of the ship and a bridge for the flag officer who is in overall command of the task group. There might even be an auxiliary bridge just in case one of the others is destroyed during action.
      Placing the bridge at the front of a ship and giving it a view port is understandable when it's a civilian ship which is designed to land on a variety of planetary surfaces, at spaceports, and in space stations -- Where a view port would be useful in case of an emergency landing. Example: Freighters, transports, yachts, and the like.
      Warships on the other hand... are not civilian ships. The brain needs to be protected. If the enemy knows where the bridge is, a concentration of fire could overwhelm the ship's shields and impact on the bridge, taking out all organized resistance of that ship. If that bridge has the flag officer commanding the battle on it, the loss of direction by the admiral will cause confusion in the admiral's forces. Confusion, even temporary, is one of the things which will doom a navy in battle.
      There are exceptions to the above rule for small warships which are fast and/or maneuverable (so concentrated fire can't target the bridge or, if it did the ship was going to be destroyed anyway) and are expected to land on planets or dock in space stations/other ships. Example: Gunboats, Gunships, Corvettes.
      The ship we were talking about is the Executor. She's a flagship. The admiral needs to be protected. Due to her monstrous size of 16km length, there is only one system with space stations in which she can dock at, and that's the system which built it; Kuat. For every other location, all supplies will be delivered to her, even if she parks next to a space station, no one wants to make a mistake and allow her to collide with them.
      If, for whatever reason, the navigator's station is not working correctly, the navigation's officer can communicate with the people in charge of sensors (radar, lidar, visuals) to get a fix of everything around them. If that person can't, then the tactical officer should be able to do so from the targeting computers of each weapon. If all else fails, there's the communication officer capable of asking other ships for details. And if there is no response, prepare to be boarded by the enemy, lol.
      Seriously, if a warship is disabled, it is dead in space and its only hope is to make repairs before being boarded.

  • @TheSleepingMeerkat
    @TheSleepingMeerkat 5 лет назад +208

    As a guy who studies naval history, I love how the Dreadnought's name still carries the weight that it did in 1906, however it also bugs me cause its just lazy how the term just means 'a stupidly bigger battleship', while some of the ships labelled as dreadnoughts are game changers, most of them are just not well thought out and are just called that for the sake of it. Thankfully this video shows some of those ships that are worthy of the description

    • @jaquigreenlees
      @jaquigreenlees 4 года назад +5

      True, though I would consider both the Wraith Hive and Ancient Auroras as good candidates.

    • @freewyvern707
      @freewyvern707 4 года назад +22

      I had the same thoughts and i'm kinda ticked of the UNSC Infinity wasn't there. Its said in lore to be so much of a technological improvement that it made Battleships from the war useless, exactly like the HMS Dreadnought did in 1906

    • @HaloFTW55
      @HaloFTW55 4 года назад +14

      I really want to laugh at the possibility of dreadnaughts seeing little to no action and ended up being destroyed by carrier borne strike craft.
      Just like real life.

    • @michelecastellotti9172
      @michelecastellotti9172 2 года назад +5

      Dreadnought heavy cruisers be like XD

    • @ledocteur7701
      @ledocteur7701 2 года назад +4

      @@michelecastellotti9172 "Dreadnought heavy cruisers" that.. a little redundant. a dreadnought is generally (in sci-fi at least) already supposed to be a "heavy" (as in armor and weapons) ship, and a cruiser is a whole other type of ships whish as nothing to do with a dreadnought. there is nothing wrong with simply calling it a dreadnought.
      not to mention that while "heavy cruiser" works, "battleship" would be more appropriate, unless battleship is already used as a broad term to describe anything battle capable.

  • @bobofthekerbals9797
    @bobofthekerbals9797 5 лет назад +695

    I've never heard anyone describe he valiant as a "ship full of Wesley Crushers" but that is perfectly accurate

    • @darwinxavier3516
      @darwinxavier3516 5 лет назад +38

      Nah a ship full of Wesleys would've found a way to win through techno nonsense. The Valiant crew was just a bunch of arrogant gungho morons who couldn't take down one lone Jemhadar fighter without using six quantum torpedoes.

    • @CeJay2000
      @CeJay2000 5 лет назад +14

      The fact that it WAS a ship full of Wesley Crushers was the only reason I could forgive the writers for having blasted a Defiant-class out of the skies... Always considered him as well as the Valiant's crew a bunch of stupid kids.

    • @schwarzerritter5724
      @schwarzerritter5724 5 лет назад +21

      More like a "ship full of people who believe they are Wesley Crushers but are actually Harry Kims".

    • @MelchiahTheObscene
      @MelchiahTheObscene 5 лет назад +8

      Ah yes, the Star Trek Babies episode.

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 5 лет назад +18

      @@CeJay2000
      honestly, seeing the essential hero ship getting basically run over by an enemy so far out of its weightclass its not even a contest, was a great experience. It drove home the point other episodes made about the defiant: An invincible ship this is not.
      Oh how the defiant fans raged.
      delicious.

  • @airboundgab3
    @airboundgab3 5 лет назад +320

    The Intro of the Executor with the Imperial March Theme makes it legendary

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire 5 лет назад +36

      The feeling of Holy Shit that you feel when an Imperial Class gets a shadow cast over it. Not passing over it, it just gets swallowed in darkness.

    • @panickedpan875
      @panickedpan875 5 лет назад +14

      Me:*sees the Executor's intro*
      Also me: NOW THAT'S A LOT OF SHIP

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 5 лет назад +13

      Kevin J Anderson does a good job of introducing one in Darksaber, where they reveal the Executor-class Night Hammer. Something similar, but this one starts as a barely visible area where the stars are blocked out, growing larger and larger, until they order the running lights turned on and the whole thing lights up and awes everyone who was wondering what was being built out there.

    • @marckrieger3277
      @marckrieger3277 5 лет назад +3

      @@sethb3090
      But Anderson also had done a bad job by saying the executor alone nearly bankruped the empire.
      I mean, the empire build two death stars but the executor was to much?

    • @patrickmcdonald8513
      @patrickmcdonald8513 4 года назад +3

      You guys may know this, growing up with the Star Wars schematics books, they always said the Executor was 8,000 meters long, still huge compared to the 1600 meters of the Imperial class. However, when they when back and looked at the originl model for The Empire Strikes Back, they realized it had originally been intended to be 100 times as massive as the Imperial class, or 19,000 meters long, actually 1500 meters longer than the Eclipse class.

  • @h.plovecat4307
    @h.plovecat4307 5 лет назад +427

    If the Eclipse didn't have those rail systems, the entire Dark Empire series would have been over before Palpatine made it to his throne room.

    • @AdmiralBlackstar
      @AdmiralBlackstar 5 лет назад +89

      "This ship is too big. If I walk, the movie'll be over."

    • @REDACTED882
      @REDACTED882 5 лет назад +13

      ​@@AdmiralBlackstar Hail Skroob

    • @casbot71
      @casbot71 5 лет назад +35

      There's a Reddit or something about how the Executor crew became tribal and split into factions that became independent nations…
      Does anyone have the link.?

    • @theonewingedangel8680
      @theonewingedangel8680 5 лет назад +17

      casbott that’s the super duper star destroyer. I think it’s called the Ultra class? Eckharts ladder did an episode on fan ships and mentioned that reddit story.

    • @drksideofthewal
      @drksideofthewal 5 лет назад +23

      @@theonewingedangel8680
      The Imperium class ultra star destroyer. The post talked about how the bridge crew was getting vertigo from the multi mile tall windows, and the engineers started their own nation called "Re'Ak'Tor." Brilliant.

  • @capnovan
    @capnovan 5 лет назад +388

    "A ship full of Wesley Crushers"
    Truly the Federations most vile weapon.

    • @anonarchist1936
      @anonarchist1936 5 лет назад +7

      though a couple of decades later the federation had a golden age of online boardgame content

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 5 лет назад +8

      Some say its a WAR CRIME

    • @TheCormTube
      @TheCormTube 5 лет назад +12

      God i hated Red Squad and their irritatingly arrogant bridge crew. Wesley had more modesty than them, or at least pretended to. I was grinning when they got blow to pieces.
      I really felt for Jake Cisco in that episode.......

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 4 года назад

      Truly a crime against humanity... given that it would ruin our reputation throughout the galaxy.

    • @Gist432
      @Gist432 3 года назад

      Just put them on screen and tell them to shut up.

  • @BattleUnit3
    @BattleUnit3 5 лет назад +889

    When you fly with Orcs every ships is dreadnought

    • @karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547
      @karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 5 лет назад +53

      Well their war moons are special

    • @corranaven7425
      @corranaven7425 5 лет назад +98

      Random Guard member looks up into the sky. Sees bunch of Orks hanging together linked by their arms.
      "I'm a dreadnought, I'm a dreadnought, I'm a dreadnought."
      Welp, I'm out.
      *Gets shot by Inquisitor*

    • @Springfield1191
      @Springfield1191 5 лет назад +20

      HERESY!!!!!
      Enact Exterminatus Protocols.

    • @eds1942
      @eds1942 5 лет назад +2

      Just remember to bring lots of grog.

    • @Cythan
      @Cythan 5 лет назад +4

      For da waaaaaaaaaaagghhhh

  • @UncleMikeDrop
    @UncleMikeDrop 5 лет назад +147

    "Do everything" ships can be written well so long they don't excel at everything. A Jack of all trades should be a master of none. Multi-role ships make a great deal of sense when utilized by factions with limited resources. While it is better to have 3 ships that each do one thing extremely well, some factions can only afford to have 1 ship that does 3 things passibly.

    • @PaiSAMSEN
      @PaiSAMSEN 5 лет назад +35

      It also makes sense for a navy that expects its warships to operate far from friendly homeport for a very long time. You'll notice that one of the contrasts between cold-war US fleet and cold-war Soviet fleet is how very specialized Soviet warships were. Due to the doctrine, Soviet navy has the luxury of staying in rather small water, so they can afford to specialized their ship for a specific role, while American warships are expected to operate deep within combat area, and thus they have to be ready for everything.
      Though, the development of vertical launch system that every missile can fit effectively rendered the whole concept mooted, as you can simply switch missiles to make one ship as specialized as you like.

    • @aaagagatagtgtt9656
      @aaagagatagtgtt9656 4 года назад +5

      Agreed, it costs more to design (and perhaps build and maintain, except that one of them is probably a specialty maintenance ship) multiple specialist ships, should be more combat effective under a good commander versus an equal number of comparative multi-purpose ships.

  • @JustAnotherDayToday
    @JustAnotherDayToday 5 лет назад +383

    “Light speed is too slow-we’re going to have to go right to ‘Ludicrous Speed’”. -Dark Helmet.

    • @darthXreven
      @darthXreven 5 лет назад +22

      they've gone to plaid
      -Barf

    • @corranaven7425
      @corranaven7425 5 лет назад +21

      What's wrong Colonel Sanders? Chicken?
      - Dark Helmet

    • @darthXreven
      @darthXreven 5 лет назад +16

      @@corranaven7425 Aaaa, I see your schwartz is as big as mine
      -Dark Helmet

    • @davidcolby167
      @davidcolby167 5 лет назад +20

      I mean...it's a funny joke, but looking at interstellar distances, light speed IS way too fucking slow. Like, going light speed takes THIRTY YEARS to get to Trappist-1!

    • @DBPCINC
      @DBPCINC 5 лет назад +13

      Yeah where is Spaceball 1?

  • @HeadCannon
    @HeadCannon 5 лет назад +98

    One of my favorite things about the Executor in Legends was how much damage Rogue Squadron did to the Lusankya at Thyferra, but there was still so much ship left. It really felt like attrition against its weapons and engines was the only thing that stopped that battle from going on for days. I also really enjoyed how the Thrawn trilogy emphasized how much the loss of the Executor at Endor hurt the Imperial Navy, with most of it's crew being the cream of the crop of upcoming officers.

  • @martinjrgensen8234
    @martinjrgensen8234 5 лет назад +255

    The Executor class is a beautiful ship. Magnificently elegant.
    And think it almost didn’t happen.
    George and the director didn’t believe the model makers had the time and budget to build a special ship, and just wanted a different colored Imperial Class as Vaders flagship.
    The model makers convinced the higher ups they could do it, and in their spare time designed and built in in a few weeks, just in time for it to be filmed.

    • @specialsnowflake9172
      @specialsnowflake9172 5 лет назад +21

      It's a shame that the only great scene it gets is the intro :/
      I guess I will always be bitter about the way it went down. And to think that this scene was probably intended to make viewers happy for the rebellion and what not.

    • @writingref
      @writingref 4 года назад +2

      That's cool. I didn't know that.

    • @patrickmcdonald8513
      @patrickmcdonald8513 4 года назад +2

      Great history, thanks for the info.

  • @MagicalMaster
    @MagicalMaster 3 года назад +11

    I've made one in my online series. I call it The Dauntless. It's the first of it's kind and is essentially a gigantic troop transport with a huge amount of ablative plating. It's oversized because it has a huge amount of redundant systems to the point it can be broken apart and the individual sections can seal themselves off and continue to endure. This honking vessel is large enough to work as a mobile drydock and even in areas of the galaxy where it can make full use of FTL travel and Artificial Gravity it has a central corridor with artificial gravity designed to help soldiers get around faster with the aid of a magnetic rail. It's weakness is that for it's size it's guns are outright pitiful and it's absolutely crushed in digital warfare on three separate occasions and if the soldiers taken by slaver raids weren't massively over-trained commandoes then the story of Out of Cruel Space would be very different.
    The Dauntless is basically a mobile army base including diplomatic, repair and even production facilities. It's not the base that's dangerous, it's the men in it.

  • @SuicideNeil
    @SuicideNeil 5 лет назад +192

    Progenitor Dreadnought from HomeWorld 2: Am I a joke to you?..

    • @Maddock_
      @Maddock_ 5 лет назад +40

      THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE SAJUUK-KHAR

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад +2

      I guess it is a joke

    • @Airwave2k2
      @Airwave2k2 5 лет назад +6

      well It is also my favorit. So there is that. Maybe he should a T5 for movie sci fi and a T5 for vidya games. This dreadnought has to be included in a T5.

    • @SuicideNeil
      @SuicideNeil 5 лет назад +20

      @@Airwave2k2 Yeah, it's strange- he always covers a mixture of games and movies, but I don't recall HomeWorld ships ever getting any mention- strange because it's such an iconic and hugely popular game till this very day. Also, HW3 was just announced so.... yeah....

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад +2

      @@SuicideNeil I don't see a lot of vids on Homeworld. Not the popular ones anyway. I don't see it top any charts on twitch.

  • @karels149
    @karels149 5 лет назад +161

    I think you guys need to do a Top 5 FTL Effects. Which FTL's have the best visual effects (unless you've already done it)
    My personal favorite is the Destiny’s FTL from Stargate Universe

    • @Jaeih
      @Jaeih 5 лет назад +6

      My favorite would be the Warp effect from Star Trek Nemesis. It was a bit updated from previous movies and yet simple enough to be beautiful

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire 5 лет назад +3

      Star Trek The Motion Picture please. It was aggressively awesome.
      And I prefer First Contact's to Nemesis'.

    • @renkalan8587
      @renkalan8587 5 лет назад +5

      Gonna have to say the spore drive from Discovery. It was different from the usual blue flash, streak into sunset look from the other Star Trek series, which I found appealing.

    • @Jokie155
      @Jokie155 5 лет назад +9

      That tragically brief warp drive shot from Star Trek Beyond is easily my favourite. ruclips.net/video/gCCYWTAA2wQ/видео.html It just hits the concept of a bubble of bending space around the ship right on the head. Beautiful.

    • @craigtowse4340
      @craigtowse4340 5 лет назад +4

      Jokie155 THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. And THIS! By far ‘the’ best effect. It was stunning and beautiful and should have been used again - especially for Discovery when they are at Warp.

  • @theknave1915
    @theknave1915 5 лет назад +18

    1 ferengi ensign, 1 war correspondent, and 95 Wesley crushers! All in a top of line federation warship.
    VS 1 purple dreadnaught boi

  • @DBPCINC
    @DBPCINC 5 лет назад +39

    *#1 Spaceball one can't change my mind*

    • @liljenborg2517
      @liljenborg2517 5 лет назад +16

      It could do EVERYTHING including vacuuming and scrubbing the kitchen sink! It did not, however, do windows, and its sensor systems seemed particularly vulnerable to raspberry jam.

    • @writingref
      @writingref 4 года назад +2

      @@liljenborg2517 brilliant response lol

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 года назад +1

      @@liljenborg2517
      Megamaid was also able to suck and blow.

  • @Marclivis
    @Marclivis 5 лет назад +9

    The Scimitar will always hold a special place in my heart. When Data is reading off the tactical specs and the bridge crew is all shook, that will forever be etched in my mind.

    • @yamatojoe7327
      @yamatojoe7327 Год назад +1

      It’s definitely an effective scene. It lets the audience that this ship is a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention mode sci fi need to give detailed specifications for their ships lol.

  • @SkepticalChris
    @SkepticalChris 5 лет назад +57

    9:25 - kick the cap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers :)
    Instant win!

  • @tomcopple7633
    @tomcopple7633 5 лет назад +6

    If this were a top 10 list, I would include the MCRN Donnager. I remember the line the first novel when Holden and another person were talking and the one person said, "I heard this can kill a planet." To which Holden replied, "That's nothing. Give me an airlock and enough anvils, and I can do that. This (the Donnager) looks like it can kill whatever it wants."

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts 5 лет назад

      The Donnager got whacked by the equivalent of a pt boat.

    • @tomcopple7633
      @tomcopple7633 5 лет назад

      @@toomanyaccounts I think it was more the equivalent of a squad of pocket battleships

    • @Elurin
      @Elurin 4 года назад

      In a top 10 - I would also include the GTVA Colossus: ruclips.net/video/NpuaiOyBW5c/видео.html
      In its universe, the most epic dreadnought ever constructed.

  • @bengrogan9710
    @bengrogan9710 5 лет назад +36

    The only this that grinds my gears in the eclipse class is the CO-Axial Superlaser
    Co-Axial WITH WHAT?!
    Tanks have the main gun and a Co-axial Machine gun
    Co-ax weapons are slaved to something else

    • @bengrogan9710
      @bengrogan9710 5 лет назад +9

      @@khadenallast4495 That's the point
      If the hull where aligned with it it would be an Axial weapon - Co-axial indicates it is slaved to another weapon's targeting

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 года назад

      I thought co-axial meant that the weapon had two axes, so that the gunner can maneuver the gun better from a stationary position.
      Look at how they're mounted. Gun, axis 1, "rod", axis 2, axis 2 mounting point (turret hull for a tank).

    • @TiernanWilkinson
      @TiernanWilkinson 3 года назад

      Mass Effect dreadnoughts technically have coaxial main guns, coaxial with the rest of the ship.

    • @bengrogan9710
      @bengrogan9710 3 года назад +4

      @@TiernanWilkinson Again, Those are not Co-axial
      A weapon aligned with the body is an axial weapon
      Axial meaning it is aligned with the ship's orientation, its axis or rotation
      Co-axial means a weapon that has a shared axis slaved to a separate weapon's axis

    • @harrybyaqussamprayuga1756
      @harrybyaqussamprayuga1756 2 года назад +2

      Dude of course, it is slaved to Palpatine's will

  • @TheDetailsMatter
    @TheDetailsMatter 5 лет назад +20

    Ori Mothership? Large enough to fill a supergate from one edge to its opposite, carries hundreds of fighters and ground troops, is equipped with a plasma lance projector that can detonate most opponents in a single shot and a spherical shield that can withstand nearly anything thrown at it. If anything qualifies for "Fear Nothing," it's this.

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад

      Wot?

    • @richardbroome6405
      @richardbroome6405 5 лет назад +8

      Gotta love those flying toilet seats! :)

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 4 года назад

      BeyondDaX, ruclips.net/video/UNeS7qMMvbw/видео.html

  • @theodorewai2864
    @theodorewai2864 5 лет назад +59

    "Spacedock Short"
    Happens to be longer than most episodes. 😂

  • @AgreeableSmile
    @AgreeableSmile 5 лет назад +125

    How is the sojourn going so far spacedock?

  • @fakjbf3129
    @fakjbf3129 5 лет назад +23

    3:16 Also in the third game it's revealed that they had a giant stash of Prothean technology which they were keeping from the rest of the galaxy. Characters would occasionally talk about how advanced the asari were but the Destiny Ascension was one of the few things you could point to as an example of that superiority.

  • @hobmonger5275
    @hobmonger5275 5 лет назад +5

    I love the way you almost always include a Babylon 5 ship in your clips! Best and my favorite shows of the 90’s!

  • @dawfyddkelly8788
    @dawfyddkelly8788 5 лет назад +7

    Alright, I'll concede that the Executor-class is truely terrifying.
    I still remember playing X-Wing vs TIE Fighter: Balance of Power in the Rebel campaign, one mission requires you to patrol a hyperspace beacon and perform close flyby scans of the incoming Imperial fleet. The moment towards the end where the SSD jumps in is still stunning - this giant slice of terror that blots out the screen.
    also a shout out to the Rogue Squadron series on Gamecube - #3 had you fly through the cityscape of an under construction SSD and it really hammers home the scale of the thing

  • @SwiftGundam
    @SwiftGundam 5 лет назад +56

    You know, the Jem'hadar Dreadnought reminds me of some Decepticon Transformer ships seen in recent media.

    • @generaljimmies3429
      @generaljimmies3429 5 лет назад +11

      The final level of Fall of Cybertron comes to mind. I think it used to be Trypticon?

    • @darwinxavier3516
      @darwinxavier3516 5 лет назад +3

      Decepticons do love their purple.

    • @darwinxavier3516
      @darwinxavier3516 5 лет назад +1

      The structural design of typical Decepticon ships more closely resembles some Asgard ships rather than Jemhadar. The O'Neill class in particular. Or the Vorchan and Primus classes of the Centauri.

  • @dawfyddkelly8788
    @dawfyddkelly8788 5 лет назад +78

    Awww, no love for the ludicrous battleships of The Imperium of Man?

    • @Dreska_
      @Dreska_ 5 лет назад +2

      I'm not aware of any 40k warships being refered to as dreadnaughts

    • @Mugthraka
      @Mugthraka 5 лет назад +21

      @@Dreska_ Neither are half of the ships he mentions in this list, half of them don't have the name dreadnaught in it, and i've never heard someone use this name to classify them, specially the Executor, wich himselfs says "Executor class" if Dreadnought is a classification, then its an Executor class, or vice versa.
      Its biased because the fanbois are butthurt once someone brings in 40k, thats all there is.
      40k ships shoots shells bigger then other franchises ships.
      "17000m, thats huge", every darn Space Marines chapter has at least 3 Battlebarges and they're at minimum 18km and can transport a whole darn Chapter Company...

    • @dawfyddkelly8788
      @dawfyddkelly8788 5 лет назад +8

      Not directly, no, but certainly the likes of the Gloriana-class Battlebarges that were the flagships of each of the Legiones Astartes during the Great Crusade would qualify as dreadnoughts due to their status and sheer mass, even over the ridiculously OTT vessels of the GrimDark, and each was a system denial vessel in their own right. And the likes of The Phalanx of the Imperial Fists or Abbadon's Planet Killer dwarf even those....

    • @Dreska_
      @Dreska_ 5 лет назад +13

      ​@@Mugthraka Except you're wrong...?
      Nova Class Dreadnought
      Destiny Ascension Dreadnought
      Eclipse Class (Star) Dreadnought
      Jem'Hadar Dreadnought
      Executor Class (Star) Dreadnought
      All of these are dreadnoughts in the lore. A dreadnought is already a very specfic thing in 40k and its not even a ship. It doesn't make sense to start calling other things in 40k dreadnoughts. Thats not being butthurt its just common sense, I don't know why this seems to be a controversial opinion.
      I do agree there are ships in 40k that would be classified as dreadnoughts if they were in a different source material, but they're not. 40k has its own names for ships beyond battleships.
      Personally I think using 'dreadnought' as a class or term meaning something like 'super-battleship' is dumb anyway, it doesn't even mean that in the real world, and using it implies that the source material can trace its history back to WW1 Britain which is simply not possible in some fictions

    • @StormWildSpace
      @StormWildSpace 4 года назад +1

      This comment caused me to turn off the video :(

  • @Matesinocasino
    @Matesinocasino 5 лет назад +12

    The Nova-class dreadnought is basically the Nova-class Frigate in 40k (Same size, same name... Different weapons though)

  • @The_Victorius_One
    @The_Victorius_One 4 года назад +5

    The Schimatar from Star Trek Nemesis was pretty impressive

  • @AlchemistsTable
    @AlchemistsTable 4 года назад +1

    I truly love the sass you're starting to drop in these videos. The assemblage of sentences, with complex structure, hard hitting opinion based on fact and sprinkled with a perfectly relevant and well researched taste of design critique is making these videos so enjoyable - because we've all either thought the same thing or just love hearing someone else say it.

  • @MesaperProductions
    @MesaperProductions Год назад +1

    I saw "Empire Strikes Back" in the theater the day it was released.
    The sequence introducing the Executor super star destroyer was literally break taking.
    John Williams theme added SUCH much to that scene.

  • @jetflaque8187
    @jetflaque8187 5 лет назад +4

    Spacedock: "..And in 1e place its the amazing Executor class! "
    MCRN Donnager: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @Dr.Westside
      @Dr.Westside 4 года назад

      Donnager would be raped by an executor .

  • @eduardklima5698
    @eduardklima5698 5 лет назад +6

    For some reason to me executor always looked unfinished (/rushed to service). Always felt that topside cityscape was supposed to be formed into armored superstructure (like fractalsponge´s belator), bottom should have armor cover for engines and nowdays I would say it´s superstructure should house axial onager style siege weapons/ultra-long range antiship cannons.

  • @SmartAlecGaming775
    @SmartAlecGaming775 5 лет назад +102

    Was hoping to see the Covenant CSO class supercarrier on the list. The thing is like 27km long.

    • @murderouskitten2577
      @murderouskitten2577 5 лет назад +9

      only 27km

    • @vonfaustien3957
      @vonfaustien3957 5 лет назад +22

      The cso is a lazy and kind of stupid ship. I get a one off aset for a ship with limited screen time takes resorces but taking an existing aset and just upping the size is pathetic especially when its supposed to be some big awe inspiring sight.

    • @HaldorZX
      @HaldorZX 5 лет назад +16

      It's a Supercarrier not a Dreadnought.

    • @Zadkiel862
      @Zadkiel862 5 лет назад +9

      The key is in the name, SuperCARRIER.

    • @michaeld.uchiha9084
      @michaeld.uchiha9084 5 лет назад +4

      Yeah and no Warhammer 40K Dreadnought.😢

  • @adrastos8401
    @adrastos8401 5 лет назад +17

    According to the canon lore, the Destroyer was used to get it past the Senate, as a Destroyer is seen as smaller and less war-like then Dreadnought, also those gigantic guns are used for anti-fighter work, in addition to the interceptors

    • @Hybridchld
      @Hybridchld 5 лет назад +4

      Which continued on with the Warlock class. Funnily enough it's an idea they got from the Royal Navy which couldn't get approval for a new class of cruisers and destroyers in the 70's so reclassified the cruisers as destroyers and the destroyers as frigates to get the approval.

  • @supastar4784
    @supastar4784 5 лет назад +6

    Pity we didn't see Nova and Omega class using its missiles ( due to budget cuts and not to destroy all other ships way too early), I mean these rows of little round hatches all along the sides of the ship's hull were intended to be missile silos and in fact its primary weapon ( and we saw how deadly can be missiles in space i.e The Expanse series )

    • @BogeyTheBear
      @BogeyTheBear 4 года назад

      Thought the primary weapon were the 'energy mine projectors'-- the two oval gun tubes on the chin of the ship below the launch bay. Essentially, they're a pair of railguns that throw out nuclear bombs.

    • @Ishlacorrin
      @Ishlacorrin 2 года назад

      We might see them in the reboot, depends how it goes.

  • @samschellhase8831
    @samschellhase8831 5 лет назад +2

    Another reason the Eclipse is a great one, is because it was probably many people’s *first* space dreadnaught. It set the scene for dreadnaughts in the future

  • @samschellhase8831
    @samschellhase8831 5 лет назад +60

    Also, I’m mostly a fan of Star Wars, but I’m surprised no Warhammer 40k ships made the list!

    • @SkywalkerWroc
      @SkywalkerWroc 5 лет назад +13

      That guy is just all about Mass Effect, Star Trek, Star Wars and Battlestar. Sometimes will sprinkle some Halo, Stargate, Expanse, Babylon 5 or some retro-sci-fi from his youth. He never went into exploring anything outside of his core interests.

    • @davidnguyen5183
      @davidnguyen5183 5 лет назад +4

      But there are no Dreadnoughts like ships in WH40k

    • @ala5530
      @ala5530 5 лет назад +19

      Let's be fair, if we determine dreadnought status by tonnage or beam length, then given the #5 on the list, we'd have to include every ship in 40k larger than a Sword-class frigate, with only the Cobra and Widowmaker-class destroyers and Viper-class sloop clocking in smaller. If you throw in firepower as a measure, we might be able to move the dreadnaught line up to the CL/CA mark, as they're typically the smallest to carry Exterminatus-grade weaponry.
      As a franchise, much as I love it, it's just comically oversized, really.
      That said, I would go with one of the Gloriana-class battleships. ~20km of nastiness, each intended to lead the fleet of a legion (plus their supports). Granted, they had some very different configurations (no two alike, with the possible exceptions of Alpha and Beta, the two assigned to XX Legion).

    • @jonathanryan9946
      @jonathanryan9946 5 лет назад +14

      @@ala5530 in Warhammer 40k Craftworlds murder ships the size of Dreadnoughts in other franchises.
      So I get why none are on this list, because 40k dialed everything to 11 so Dreadnoughts are nothing special there.

    • @kingjonstarkgeryan8573
      @kingjonstarkgeryan8573 5 лет назад +8

      @@davidnguyen5183 Gloriana Class Battleship/BattleBarge: Am I a joke to you.

  • @charlesratcliff2016
    @charlesratcliff2016 5 лет назад +3

    The Nova Class Dreadnought is one of my favorites in Babylon 5. It blew me away when it was parked outside of B5 in the episodes GROPS

  • @dukoth6552
    @dukoth6552 5 лет назад +12

    supprised you didn't include any of the titans from EVE, especially considering they're not "Do everything" ships

    • @jackbrunato8960
      @jackbrunato8960 4 года назад

      Was expecting atleast an avatar honestly

  • @eurosn7322
    @eurosn7322 5 лет назад +1

    Daniel's number 4:" ships that can do everything are not that interesting to me"
    number 1: "So here's the executor"

  • @charlespfaff6585
    @charlespfaff6585 5 лет назад +1

    Dreadnoughts (DN) Chuck’s Favorites 2019 September 2
    5. Donnager-class (The Expanse)
    4. Portent Of Darkness Comet Empire Dreadnought (Space Battleship Yamato)
    3. Federation-class (NCC-2100) Dreadnaught (Star Trek: Franz Joseph)
    2. Executor-class Star Dreadnought (Star Wars)
    1. Apocalypse Class (Warhammer 40,000)

  • @alexboehm3919
    @alexboehm3919 5 лет назад +21

    I think my favorite sci fi dreadnaught has to be Oryx’s dreadnaught from destiny

    • @eschatondesign7218
      @eschatondesign7218 5 лет назад +6

      Oryx's dreadnought could easily annihilate any/all of these even if they were to attack it all at once. There's no comparison.

    • @autumngottlieb3071
      @autumngottlieb3071 4 года назад +2

      The ship has weaponry that literally transcends physics. It's also the size of a small planet.

    • @freewyvern707
      @freewyvern707 4 года назад

      Its so large only the Exclispe Superweapon could even harm it, debatable if the Death Stars could tho

  • @RevanTheFireMage
    @RevanTheFireMage 5 лет назад +7

    My favorite quote from Spacedock from a video a long time ago “Dreadnaught, fear nothing” idk it stuck with me for some reason
    Edit: He also said this at the beginning of the video so yeah 😂

    • @gusty9053
      @gusty9053 5 лет назад +3

      From a battleships history documentary: "it's an old english word that literally means: fear nothing, and it's an old name in the royal navy, one fought against the spanish armada, another fought at trafalgar". Also it was the name of the first "all big guns" type of battleship launched before WW1 (naval historians actually define ships in a pre-dreadnought / post dreadnought classification, it was that revolutionary when it launched). So you see why it kind of stuck :) plus the brits are good at giving cool names to warships :)).

  • @achong007
    @achong007 4 года назад +1

    Executor-class ship is nice... When I played the Xwing vs Tie Fighter: balance of power. We had to cut off its supplies, Destroy fuel tankers, destroy food shipment, destroy medical supplies, and a bunch of other stuff. We even destroy tie fighter parts delivery. In the end, you had to destroy as many supplies as possible. Starve the crew. Cut repair parts off and when they are running low on fuel, we had to destroy it before the reinforcement arrives. Destroy the 2 shield towers and ion the torpedo until the computer goes down and drop a blockade runner full of space bombs right into the bridge while taking out the remaining functional tie fighters. After that boom, no more Executor ship.
    If you could mount rail cannons with space bombs, you could do more damage that way. It will only work with capital ships.

  • @Washeek
    @Washeek 5 лет назад +1

    I'm missing the Hand of Sajuuk - such an iconic piece of hardware and the plasma vents lighting up when charging the coaxial beam was an experience to witness all by itself.

    • @Commander_Applejack
      @Commander_Applejack Год назад

      "Bring Sajuuk to bear!"

    • @Washeek
      @Washeek Год назад +1

      @@Commander_Applejack
      "But I can't find the bear?!" - Karan S'jet probably...

  • @blighty8607
    @blighty8607 5 лет назад +5

    Spacedock, please think about doing another verses episode!! How about a Wraith Hive Ship vs a Mercury Class Battlestar? The Battlestar's flak field vs the Hives Dart complement could be very interesting! 👍🤞

    • @blighty8607
      @blighty8607 5 лет назад

      You might be right but as we've seen in BSG, a Battlestar can take a lot of punishment and still put out an impressive display of firepower. Also consider that in SG:A the Wraith never really faced anyone with a decent amount of fighter support, that could mean the Colonial Viper pilots more comprehensive training could win out against the Wraith drone sworm and destroy tactics. Finally I don't think you can dismiss the Colonial Jump Drive for attack and retreat options as well as Raptors mass jumping in close with a overwhelming nuclear barrage. What do you think?

    • @blighty8607
      @blighty8607 5 лет назад +1

      Your point is well taken. Do you have any ideas for a Verses matchup?

  • @Calmputer
    @Calmputer 4 года назад +13

    curious what your thoughts would be on Oryx's Dreadnaught from Destiny.

    • @freewyvern707
      @freewyvern707 4 года назад +4

      One thing i love is that Oryx's Dreadnought is basically a plug for his throne world

    • @buterassassin1952
      @buterassassin1952 4 года назад +2

      Calmputer EXACTLY

  • @yoda0017
    @yoda0017 3 года назад +1

    My favorite Dreadnought has to be the Colossus from Freespace 2.
    Probably most people don't even know about that franchise, sadly. My all-time favorite space sim combat game.

  • @austinmartin612
    @austinmartin612 5 лет назад +2

    It might be from a video game but it was a SciFi video game... The Dammerung from Xenosaga was a hell of a dreadnaught, as was the Durandal

  • @TheTank1900
    @TheTank1900 5 лет назад +53

    I’m gonna be honest I dislike the Eclipse class. Something about it just strikes me as really...dumb. Idk.

    • @Arashmickey
      @Arashmickey 5 лет назад +8

      It plays second fiddle to the Executor. It feels a little contrived, because "hur dur Executur + death star lasur", but that could just be natural evolution of dreadnought design. You could say it's an upside down elf shoe, but if banana shape is best shape for one-shotting other dreadnoughts then that's just function over form. That said, Executor is just more awesome.

    • @TheTank1900
      @TheTank1900 5 лет назад +5

      @@Arashmickey Exactly. Like, the shape of the thing isn't so bad, I think it could actually look quite cool, but like the bridge design is even dumber looking than normal Imperial design, the engines usually look pathetic for it's size, like this thing is basically immobile when not in hyperspace, the superlaser thing seems really just...extra outside of a dedicated siege ship, it's starfighter capacity is pathetic for a ship it's size, 10 interdictor bulbs are just unnecessary, most of the things about it just seem...not engaging at all.

    • @superdupergrover9857
      @superdupergrover9857 5 лет назад +1

      I get the exact same feeling. Could not tell you why.

    • @JonathanCirillo
      @JonathanCirillo 5 лет назад +1

      I loved the scale of the Supremacy. How it lobbed the shots made it seemed bigger because of the range.

    • @caad5258
      @caad5258 5 лет назад +2

      the keel bow really put me off personally.

  • @valtersplume3726
    @valtersplume3726 5 лет назад +6

    You should do a video about the Cairn-class tomb ship from Warhammer40K.

    • @Mugthraka
      @Mugthraka 5 лет назад

      Well technically doesn't Tomb-WORLDS also capable of interstellar flight?

    • @valtersplume3726
      @valtersplume3726 5 лет назад

      @@Mugthraka there was only one World Engine. But that's also an interesting topic.

  • @connorking8503
    @connorking8503 4 года назад +2

    The _Revelation_ class is my #1 for sure

  • @keithgilham9438
    @keithgilham9438 4 года назад +1

    “Kicking the crap outta a ship load of Wesley crushers” best description ever

  • @DMSProduktions
    @DMSProduktions 5 лет назад +8

    Very nice, but NO Wing Commander Dreads like the Concordia or Midway? The Kilrathi Dreads?

    • @TemplarsWildFire
      @TemplarsWildFire 2 года назад

      He's probably too young to even know about Wing Commander.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions 2 года назад

      @@TemplarsWildFire No, he's done quite a BIT of WC stuff!

  • @scorpixel1866
    @scorpixel1866 5 лет назад +8

    8:00 Wait a second THAT ship is in a ST series?! It looks GORGEOUS! No kidding the more i learn about DS9 the more i'm interested in seeing it

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 5 лет назад +1

      @@Xondar11223344 : It's long-form style also made it more effective for plot development & such. The early episodes seemingly suffered as a result, but I'd say that's more than compensated for by the reduction of the restraints imposed by other series' "stage play of the week" format.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire 5 лет назад +2

      DS9 holds up the best of all Star Treks. It's story format was ahead of its time, the character development was highest level, the characters also all had immense charisma, and the subject matter is still relevant...hell more relevant, today.

    • @eds1942
      @eds1942 5 лет назад +1

      It takes a while to grow on you, but it has some of the best episodes in Trek.

    • @Mugthraka
      @Mugthraka 5 лет назад +1

      Dunno about gorgoues, but at least it doesn't look like some hippies decided to glue some dildos on the side of a frisbee and call it a vessel...
      So thats something i guess

  • @Leptospirosi
    @Leptospirosi 3 года назад +2

    I've always been a fan of the Shar'Lin class: beautifull, deadly the product of a race that does not cut angles to bring stuff fast at the front, but also not invincible when countered by more adavced "old races". It is the best and more advanced ship from the oldest if the young races and it shows that.

  • @Awoken_Remmuz
    @Awoken_Remmuz 3 года назад +1

    While quickly relegated to being a destination for on board action the Hive Dreadnaught of the Destiny franchise will always be dear to me.
    It personifies the Hive perfectly and creates a really alien place to explore. Also the conflict between it and the Awoken fleet was a short but sweet fight.

    • @autumngottlieb3071
      @autumngottlieb3071 2 года назад

      The loading screen shot implies it's thousands of kilometers long, which I like because the whole point of the Hive is that they are That Powerful.

    • @Awoken_Remmuz
      @Awoken_Remmuz 2 года назад +1

      @@autumngottlieb3071 that and needing something big enough to always carry a invasion force, consider there "survival of the fittest" state religion, aka the sword logic.

  • @lukedogwalker
    @lukedogwalker 5 лет назад +3

    Quote of the day: "Glad we got to see it kick the crap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers." 😁

  • @vincediscombe7360
    @vincediscombe7360 5 лет назад +8

    Executor: "it's a lovely do-everything ship, cuts through space, beautiful, blah blah"
    Vengeful Spirit: Am I a Joke to you?

    • @Mugthraka
      @Mugthraka 5 лет назад +3

      Vengefull Spirit ftw, nothing is more bad ass than a giant ass battleship imbued with the power of the Warp that has lost Archeo-technology with a highly intelligent and vindicative "IA" ( sort off) with cannons large and wide enough to shoot the empire state building at other ships...
      And thats just tuesday.

    • @slitor
      @slitor 2 года назад

      Oh for fuck sake! I love 40K but it aint got nothing on the emotional impact the first 3 star wars movies pre Special Edition had!

    • @vincediscombe7360
      @vincediscombe7360 2 года назад

      ​@@slitor yes. However. The video isn't "most emotionally impactful films in scifi" it's "top 5 scifi dreadnoughts"
      And the Spirit never got downed by an interceptor smashing into the bridge :P :P

    • @slitor
      @slitor 2 года назад

      @@vincediscombe7360 of course its the one and same, silly you.

  • @patrickmcdonald8513
    @patrickmcdonald8513 4 года назад +1

    Excellent episode with great thought. Thrilled you listed the Executor as #1. I suspected you would...and you did!

  • @thitsugaya1224
    @thitsugaya1224 4 года назад

    "Kick the crap out of a shipfull of Wesley Crushers." Ok you win the internet for that one, I almost spit my drink on that one.

  • @mrichar9
    @mrichar9 5 лет назад +4

    "Glad we got to see it kick the crap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers."
    HahHa SHUT UP, WESLEY!

  • @autumngottlieb3071
    @autumngottlieb3071 4 года назад +3

    "I'm about to end this man's whole career."
    -High Admiral Anton Trejo

  • @CyberBeep_kenshi
    @CyberBeep_kenshi 3 года назад +2

    I am missing Spaceball 1;)
    I also loved the Peacekeeper dreadnoughts from Farscape where people were born, raised and trained and perhaps never left. It even had parks, for training of course:)

  • @lokai7914
    @lokai7914 5 лет назад +2

    I laughed out loud at "...a shipload of Wesley Crushers..."!

  • @pollall2793
    @pollall2793 5 лет назад +7

    The Jem’Hadar “dreadnought” is not a dreadnought... It’s a Battleship, yes the Feds May coincided it a dreadnought, but if the faction that built it don’t consider it one, it isn’t...

    • @gokbay3057
      @gokbay3057 5 лет назад +2

      I mean "Dreadnought" is just a different term for a Battleship. There is no actual difference.

    • @pollall2793
      @pollall2793 5 лет назад

      Gökçe Okbay
      There are many battleships in real life that aren’t considered dreadnoughts, the only was that is, is the USS Texas.

    • @gokbay3057
      @gokbay3057 5 лет назад +4

      @@pollall2793 actually all battleships prior to the building of the HMS Dreadnought are Pre-Dreadnoughts and as such not Dreadnoughts. The Japanese Mikasa is one example of such a ship and is still maintained as a museum ship. And battleships following that (the Dreadnought) and designed based on that are Dreadnoughts. So all Dreadnoughts are battleships but not all battleships are Dreadnoughts.

    • @NihilusShadow
      @NihilusShadow 5 лет назад +1

      "It’s a Battleship, yes the Feds May coincided it a dreadnought,"
      Actually, seeing as the entire episode is from the Valiant's perspective and they call it a battleship, that would imply "battleship" is Starfleet's classification for it and not necessarily the Dominion's. In other media, such as Star Trek Online, the ship is a Dreadnought Carrier. You can argue STO isn't canon, but it could be why Spacedock went with the Dreadnought classification for this vessel.

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts 5 лет назад +2

      @@NihilusShadow all dreadnoughts are battleships

  • @trinhkhanh9864
    @trinhkhanh9864 5 лет назад +3

    Yay Spacedock uploaded, I can't wait to see what big, baddass ship that can reduced planets to molten rock gonna be on this video!
    Gonna get a lot of flak for this, but i have to said this... Not a single mention of Forerunner or Imperium of Man ships. Most of the ship on this list aren't worthy of the tithe Dreadnought! The Glorianas and Mantle Approach are considered ones of the strongest vessels ever to sail the stars, but not even a footnote in this video. They are literally, the embodiment of FEAR NOTHING! But a flying hair dryer of the blueskin-tentacles head is fourth place?

  • @samstarkweather5172
    @samstarkweather5172 3 года назад +1

    Consider, for a moment, the fact that HMS Dreadnought was commissioned all the way back in 1907. By the outbreak of WW1, less than a decade later, she and her fellow Dreadnoughts were outclassed by so called "Super-Dreadnoughts." By the end of the war, any power that continued to use pre-dreadnoughts in front line service was no power to be feared, thus leading to the term "Dreadnought" falling into disuse. And yet, despite the term being removed from its original context by more than a century, the term Dreadnought still commands respect. How impressive is that?

  • @topphatt1312
    @topphatt1312 3 года назад

    7:22 “Palpatine is more concerned with the super weapon of the week than having a well balanced navy” now all I can think of is like a flyer thing on an Imperial bulletin board saying “DON’T MISS THIS WEEKS SUPERWEAPON SUNDAY AT 12:00 PM IMPERIAL STANDARD TIME”

  • @retluoc
    @retluoc 5 лет назад +4

    I think the Scimitar from Star Trek Nemesis could take that Gem-Hadar vessel one-on-one.

    • @remanscimitar
      @remanscimitar 5 лет назад

      The Scimitar was technically designed to fight Jem'Hadar ships lol.
      The Romulans learned their lessons after the loss of the Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order fleets at the Founders homeworld. (loads of lore behind it, issue is some of it will be labeled non-canon as it's in comics/novels and games vs televised).

    • @retluoc
      @retluoc 5 лет назад +1

      Now that you mention it, that makes perfect sense. If the war with the Dominion hadn't ended when it did, that probably would have been the next class ship put into mass production.

    • @zeroangelmk1
      @zeroangelmk1 4 года назад

      The scimitar was OP. Incredibly maneuverable, crazy good shields, perfect cloaking. Basically no weaknesses except for ramming. "Perhaps today IS a good day to die!"

    • @Dr.Westside
      @Dr.Westside 4 года назад

      Easy win for Scimitar.

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 5 лет назад +8

    _"And now we're getting into some of the truly ridiculous stuff."_
    😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
    _"...the First Order's giant ridiculous mega thing..."_
    😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

  • @Cailus3542
    @Cailus3542 5 лет назад +1

    There is one ship that springs to mind here: the Peacekeeper Command Carrier in Farscape. It is a well executed example of the ship type, and one Command Carrier has a huge impact on the show. The ship is actually described in detail as not just a warship but a mobile city of 50,000 that soldiers would spend their entire lives on, with vast gardens, recreational facilities, creches and reproductive services. It's there for three full seasons and requires a heartbreaking sacrifice to finally destroy, while its actual destruction is handled exactly as such a deadly event should be. Farscape is a criminally underappreciated sci-fi show, and the Command Carrier certainly is a great part of that.

  • @danielhaire6677
    @danielhaire6677 5 лет назад +1

    Part of the reason for the ridiculous size of the Super Star Destroyers (Executor or Eclipse class) stems from their design origins. Vader started with the idea of taking the resource capability of a sector command space station and making it mobile while adding every form of conventional space weapon, interdiction capability and mass support craft carrying capacity. Thus the SSD was a flying command base as opposed to a capital ship.

  • @Thumblegudget
    @Thumblegudget 5 лет назад +20

    Pfff! The best sci-fi Dreadnaught is CNV-301 Dreadnaught. Obviously.

    • @avitwyn3838
      @avitwyn3838 5 лет назад +2

      Seconded. Given the lack of I-War coverage on this channel I must only conclude that the team are unfamiliar with the games and their superb but grounded ship designs

    • @TheOneZytel
      @TheOneZytel 5 лет назад +1

      Never thought I would hear someone mention that ship.

    • @Thumblegudget
      @Thumblegudget 5 лет назад

      TheOneZytel Would you dig up my grave?

    • @Tholias
      @Tholias 5 лет назад +4

      Dreadnaught Class Corvette, you uncultured swine! ;-)

    • @TheOneZytel
      @TheOneZytel 5 лет назад

      @@Thumblegudget I beg your pardon?
      I need to play the whole game though, because I only experienced the demo for both the original and expansion. It is on my wishlist on GOG, so the time will come. :)

  • @madtoffelpremium8324
    @madtoffelpremium8324 5 лет назад +9

    Where is the Warhammer 40K stuff? They have so many ridiculous ships like the Phalanx and the Gloriana class for the Imperium, but all other mayor factions have thier titan ships too.

    • @randomelite4562
      @randomelite4562 5 лет назад

      Madtoffel Premium The Phalanx is a battle station and Gloriana Class are battleships technically not Dreadnoughts

    • @valtersplume3726
      @valtersplume3726 5 лет назад +2

      I think the Cairn-class tomb ship used by the Necrons can be considered a dreadnought. By the way, it's my favourite WH40K ship.

    • @randomelite4562
      @randomelite4562 5 лет назад

      Valters Plūme Cool

    • @SkywalkerWroc
      @SkywalkerWroc 5 лет назад

      He doesn't know Warhammer 40k. In fact there's tons of universes with excellent ships that he never explores (eg. Homeworld, Freespace, EVE, Honorverse come first in mind)

    • @aralornwolf3140
      @aralornwolf3140 5 лет назад

      @@SkywalkerWroc ,
      I believe most of the youtubers stick with Sci-Fi series which have books, TV shows, and movies made about them. Especially the latter two. This insures that there is an audience interested in their videos.
      I love the Honourverse series myself. It's a well designed universe with clearly defined laws of physics which all of its technology needs to obey. It even had small little ship models (for a table top strategy game. I should have bought HMS Nike [Reliant Class BC] then) in stores around 10 years ago.
      I understand why people don't use it... and since the largest ships are Super-Dreadnoughts... they wouldn't have fared well in this list... maybe RMN's Sphinx class Dreadnoughts. *Shrugs* Yet, they are obsolescent pieces of crap now. :(

  • @s.31.l50
    @s.31.l50 5 лет назад +2

    I honestly didn’t expect to see the Jem Hadar battleship here. I thought: hmmmm dreadnoughts, obviously it’s all gonna be from Star Wars. Still happy to see it though.

  • @davitto01
    @davitto01 5 лет назад +1

    I want to see an Executor class done in a 40k style or Lantean style from Stargate Atlantis. Making the cityscape on the top legitimately city like, with towers and such. Like "Hey we care about you so little, we can have these thin fragile towers right in plain sight and you won't even touch them".

  • @justrandom90
    @justrandom90 5 лет назад +5

    Lol i cant believe youtube do this again no view 2 like great video spacedock keep upbthe good work and remember to stay healthy

  • @mastersergeantjojam8069
    @mastersergeantjojam8069 5 лет назад +3

    Y not 40k The phalanx you know the banana bus for the Imperial fists

    • @olivier5251
      @olivier5251 5 лет назад

      The phalanx is barely a dreadnought. More like a small man made moon

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад +1

      It's a space station

    • @mastersergeantjojam8069
      @mastersergeantjojam8069 5 лет назад

      Two things
      One it’s not the space station it can move
      Tow it being a moon ye you rite

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад +1

      @@mastersergeantjojam8069 Its not shaped like a ship then its a space station. If it looks like a big old box of bananas then its space station

    • @mastersergeantjojam8069
      @mastersergeantjojam8069 5 лет назад

      The ISS in real life doesn’t look like that and space station means an object that cannot move into something like that or a bit of a planet

  • @Raptor302
    @Raptor302 3 года назад

    Executor: One second on the otherside of Endor.
    Next second: crashing into the DS2.
    *They did my boy dirty*

  • @RealTheNatoorat
    @RealTheNatoorat 5 лет назад +1

    My dearest friend Daniel from Spacedock... what about Spaceball One? That ship has an advantage over any Dreadnought, because it can go from suck to blow!

  • @charlstown2235
    @charlstown2235 5 лет назад +6

    Im always optimistic and hoping you mention a 40k ship like. Then i remember you don't like 40k.
    The bias is real guys

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад

      Aren't you biased with 40k?

  • @rensc4262
    @rensc4262 5 лет назад +17

    Come on Spacedock, no Eve online ships? You keep referring to ships with specific roles making a good navy. Well my friend consider the ships from Eve Online.
    Are we going to recycle STAR WARS, Star Trek, Babylon 5 with a little Galactica and Stargate the whole time?

    • @Tonydjjokerit
      @Tonydjjokerit 5 лет назад +1

      my sentiments exactly Rensc 42.After all even a Drifter Battleship would make mincemeat out of an Executor and an Eclipse rather easily,so could a Triglavian Leshak.How about it Spacedock???

    • @alganhar1
      @alganhar1 4 года назад

      @@Tonydjjokerit That's because Drifter BB's are fucking scary, and as they will never be in the players hands they can make them literally as powerful as they want to. CCP has to balance Eve's ships around the combat, sure, we as players abuse everything we can, I somehow doubt that CCP expected a moderate sized Corp to own and regularly deploy 6 Titans and 32 Supercarriers. Why do I say this? Admittedly, my Corp is Super and Cap heavy (and yes, I am one of those Titan Pilots), but those ships are not corp owned assets.... They are *personally* owned, 6 personally owned Titans in a corp, each one of those, plus its fits, plus the FAX for your Fax alt, plus the implants will not leave you much change from 90 Billion. This is BEFORE you factor in the Force Recons for your Cyno Chain (which, lets face it are chump change compared to the Titan!). But we can drop 6 of them plus 32 Supercarriers and 20 FAX's!
      Wonder how that would look at say the Battle of Endor!
      Admiral, that first big one is losing armour... we are seeing..... (voice trails off as the FAX's remote reps hit then 6 Titans doomsday! while the Supers are throwing warp disrupt and Neut fields about like deranged children... and THEN the Heavy Fighters arrive!)

    • @josephn8325
      @josephn8325 4 года назад +1

      And where’s the Space Battleship Yamato?

  • @CantankerousDave
    @CantankerousDave 5 лет назад +1

    I had to look it up to refresh my memory, but that Dominion ship reminds me of the Draconian flagship in the cheeseball 1970s Buck Rogers TV show. Maybe it’s the tuning fork prow.

  • @Novarcharesk
    @Novarcharesk 4 года назад +1

    I swear you said 'Dildar War'. That made me giggle a lot.

  • @darthcalanil5333
    @darthcalanil5333 5 лет назад +6

    All Hail the mighty Executor!
    Lord Vader would be pleased.

    • @darthXreven
      @darthXreven 5 лет назад

      then it get's hit by a A-Wing, loses deflector shields then sufferes severe damage and plummets into the death star and blows up....
      all mourn the Executor!

  • @luizfcavalcanti
    @luizfcavalcanti 5 лет назад +3

    Wait... no BSG Gallactica? No Warhammer 40K?

  • @danielkorladis7869
    @danielkorladis7869 2 года назад +1

    The Executor I always thought was better looking than Eclipse. The larger length to width ratio, and that narrowed part at the stern, I think are why, plus as you mentioned, how it's relatively "flat." Sorta like a gigantic low rider.

  • @samschellhase8831
    @samschellhase8831 5 лет назад +2

    “At-ats” I love you, because that’s what I called it as a kid and I will forever call it that as well. A little disappointed you didn’t take the fan film footage Battle of the Dreadnaughts, but I understand if you weren’t able to use that footage

  • @UnluckyHistorian
    @UnluckyHistorian 5 лет назад +5

    I have a question for Spacedock: I don't see much sci-fi game ships on your channel. Is this on purpose?

    • @UnluckyHistorian
      @UnluckyHistorian 5 лет назад +2

      @Doctor Tophat Derp, now I feel like an idiot. I was, however, thinking more in terms of PC games like EVE Online, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen

    • @Coolman13355
      @Coolman13355 4 года назад

      @@UnluckyHistorian Just discovered the channel less then a week ago. Already seen some Wing Commander and even Freespace.

  • @doctorshotgun1707
    @doctorshotgun1707 5 лет назад +5

    Gloriana class from 40k. Your voters Trek/Wars bias is showing.
    Macragge's Honor is approx 25km long.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 5 лет назад

      @@Hawk_of_Battle *The Furious Abyss wants to know the coordinates of his local star* ;)

  • @AndrewJamesWilliams
    @AndrewJamesWilliams 5 лет назад

    Two things that you should know is that there was alot more to the destruction of the Executor than what was shown on screen. The novel of Return of the Jedi makes it clear that she was in serious trouble even before the A-Wing crashed into the bridge due to being outflanked and being pounded by multiple Mon Calamari cruisers as a result her aft shields were down and her engines seriously damaged to the point that she was both already on fire and listing from a partial loss of attitude control. The bridge being taken out was just the final straw.
    The other thing is that the blue oval in the center of the Destiny Ascension is actually a hold over from the games concept stage when the Ascension was one of the prototype designs for the mass relays. While they eventually went with the tuning fork design for the relays the design team liked the look so much that they repurposed it into the Asari flagship. In universe though the Ascension like all Asari warships uses multiple mass effect cores but where the fields of the cores meet in the center of the vessel they create a very powerful warp field - like the biotic warp attack - that rips anything that touches it apart. So to prevent the ship being damaged by it the Asari just leave a big hole in the center of the ship.

  • @Installation00
    @Installation00 5 лет назад

    Beautifully considered and eloquently articulated. Really enjoyed watching this. Even fancy doing a little collab on Halo Ships, you let me know. Take it easy man.

  • @Wszobrody
    @Wszobrody 5 лет назад +17

    I am simple Imperial citizen; if I don’t see WH 40K Imperium of Man ships, I don’t press like button 👍🏻.

    • @Ranulfdatank
      @Ranulfdatank 5 лет назад +3

      Yeah, gimme a real Emperor Class :P

    • @MrTorchboss
      @MrTorchboss 5 лет назад

      PHALANX, Gloriana class(the vengeful spirit) Apocalypse class, emperor class, and any battle barge.

    • @Linerunner99
      @Linerunner99 5 лет назад

      Well I am a REAL Imperial citizen and see the Executor at number one so thumbs UP.

  • @noirangel6416
    @noirangel6416 5 лет назад +3

    Personally my favorite dreadnought is the Klingon Cleave ship, from Star Trek Dicovery S2.
    Very intimidating and alien in design.

    • @BeyondDaX
      @BeyondDaX 5 лет назад

      Glad someone likes it

  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov 5 лет назад

    If you go into printed media, you also got Honor Harrington where a dreadnought is the basic “ship of the wall”, with a superdreadnought being larger and more powerful (but slower). Battleships are obsolete since they can’t compete with dreadnoughts. Once podnaughts are developed, every traditional dreadnought is instantly rendered obsolete, kinda like what happened with the real HMS Dreadnought. Podnaughts can put out a massive missile volley at the opening of the battle that crushes the enemy, which is prepared for a more conventional drawn-out slugfest.

  • @rhouck8407
    @rhouck8407 4 года назад +1

    I don’t know what makes a ship a dreadnought, but the Narada was pretty terrifying. Along with any Reaper ship.