I know im asking randomly but does someone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I stupidly forgot the password. I would love any help you can offer me!
@Vihaan Walter thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
GunRunner I’ve been browsing the Halo wiki recently, and some of the commercial freighters have pretty funny ones. This Side Up, Bulk Discount, or Handle With Care. I love the little humorous things that game developers and authors put into their worlds!
Bum Rush. Say My Name. Some really good ones out there. I wonder if theres an entire division of the Navy that just names new ships once they ran out of famous battles and people to name them after. Actually come to think of it, the interesting names started showing up after Nylund left Im pretty sure, cause all the ones in his novels were US-Navy styled.
Fun fact: The Halberd class destroyer was initially created by fans for a Sins of A Solar Empire mod called “Sins of the Prophets”. In fact 343 Studios commandeered a lot of the ship designs from that mod.
my thought exactly. While they don't have "officially" designated type, they are the main warship of the fleet, in SG those ships are usually designated "motherships"
So its the Warlock.. actually i think i renember something that the Warlock despite being named a destroyer was a replacement for the Nova class dreadnoughs.. implying their roles was indeed that of a dreadnough... In fact both the Omega and Warlock are more tecnically a fast-battleship.. the Omega when introduced was the fastest EA warship to date.. faster even than the Hyperion and Olympus.. the Warlock is suposed to be even faster having better engines with gravitic tecnology..and also having inertial dumpers..allowing the ship to go beyong human limits
I would have classed the O'Neil as a cruiser despite it being called a destroyer. It seems like a replacement ship of the line for the Asgard and is used as such throughout the show, acting independently from larger fleets or as a frontline ship during larger battles. the weapons themselves are OP and geared towards massive damage output and sustained combat rather than anything specialized.
Some notes on the Terminus-class: 1. Regarding the hangar, you're right. The Terminus' interior models in various parts of the game are completely inconsistent with the ships' exterior layouts. The same can be said for the Harrower-class. In both cases, the ships' layouts are positioned entirely behind the bridge, when the exterior features are all positioned in front of the bridge. 2. The Terminus-class destroyer does not feature two "wings" on top of the ship, those are Long Range Sensor Towers. 3. The turbolasers on the fore of the Terminus are not fixed, although their firing arcs should probably be more limited than they are in SWTOR itself where they habitually clip through the ship.
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate - Macross Plus until Macross Delta. A cannon fodder ship of any UN Spacy/NUNS' fleets. www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/northampton-stealthfrigate.htm
Daniel, are you familiar with the Honor Harrington books by David Weber? Weber goes into great detail about ship classification in his universe and while you might not agree with him entirely (he uses Dreadnought and Super Dreadnaught as specific classes, distinct from and larger than Battleships) I think you would find it interesting if you haven't read it yet.
Thank you for putting the spotlight on the Halberd and Warlock, such pretty ships. Although, my favorite Sci-fi destroyer is the Roland-Class from David Weber's Honorverse. I love a ship where the backstory of the design is that the Admiralty will not let you build a new modern class of Light Cruiser so in the mean time... Here is a destroyer that is slightly bigger and better armed than most navies light cruisers...
Why is the O'neill class in this video? I always heard it called a mothership, never a destroyer. And the Warlock is a battleship, the "Advanced Destroyer" classification was basically politics.
I actually ran some of the numbers on the Halberd Class Destroyer to see how fast it is and it's engine output, and really it's crazy slow with an acceleration comically low at just a tiny bit higher than than 3.5mm/s^2 (after about 10 minutes it could make it all the way up to reaching the speed of a very slow jog) and just because they have a mass listed for the class I decided to plug that into the calculation to get he engine performance at just a tad under 6.33 mN of thrust (which is roughly equal to the power of 33 F-35s pushing a mass over 80,000 times larger than the F-35). This is a particularly good example of the effects of Sci-fi writers having no sense of scale.
I have a question, if we are taking the canon feats of the Halberd Class Destroyer (ex: Keyes Loop), what would the Halberd’s speed and engine output be? Just curious.
The halberd is always an awesome design. Its hard to say exactly what makes it so cool. I also always tend to like ships designed around fixed cannons. Not on a massive super weapon scale, but cruiser or smaller sized.
@@revbladez5773 Battleship itself is an outdated term and most sci-fis dont use them. And for the carrier abilities, if a ship can carry a couple of fighters, i doesnt mean its a carrier. Even Yamato could carry a couple if fighters. If we compare Odyssey and Galactica (both carrier/battleship hybrids), we can see that Galactica is relying on fighter a lot more than the 304. I'd say that Galactica is abput 70/30 aka carrier with guns, and the 304 is the other way around aka battlecruiser with fighters.
@@highgrounder5238 well the BC-304 is called a battlecruiser but not always does an IP get their own ship classes right (look at Mass Effect 1) in my opinion the BC-304 has huge carrier parts with it having like 4 hangars there's no need to deny that. As a ship it can hold it's own in combat but as seen on SG:A only truly reaches it's potencial with fighters deployed... Could still be placed in a Battlecruiser video, for sure.
@@jensreiberg8086 Rev is right, it is not a battlecruiser by Spacedock definition, as it is a battleship-carrier hybrid. Battlecruisers are probably the most misnamed ship type in science fiction. A battlecruiser is a naval vessel with the main armament of a battleship, but with armor protection closer to that of a cruiser, giving them a faster speed as the cost of protection, the being to outrun whatever it could not outfight. HMS Hood best represented the pinnacle of this design philosophy, as well the flaws with said philosphy.
@@highgrounder5238 You are wrong on all three accounts. First, the Daedalus does not carry "a few fighters," but at least two squadrons. Second, Yamato also carries a number of fighters, 10-15 if I recall correctly. Third, both ships rely heavily on them for support during combat. Thus, they cannot be considered battlecruisers, or even battleships. Both ship types would only carry a couple of aircraft, suitable only for reconnaissance and light utility duties. To conclude, both battleships and battlecruisers rely ENTIRELY on their guns to engage enemy vessels, using one or two aircraft for spotting and reconnaissance ONLY. See my previous comment for the defining characteristics of a battlecruiser. Neither the Daedalus nor the Yamato are true battleships, ance they are likewise not battlecruisers.
First, you say that you are restricting this list to proper destroyers, (not Star Destroyer-type ships) then you include the O'Neill and Warlock classes. Both vessels were mainline warships, used as battleships. The O'Neill was to replace the aging Beliskner class, which was the Asgard's most powerful ship. The Warlock was very similar, replacing the Omega class, also improperly named a destroyer. The other entries on this list are perfectly acceptable, and I fully agree about the Halberd class and Terminus class destroyers. Those ships really deserve more love than they get.
"It would have been very easy for them to design some hideous ship with lots of yellow bits sticking out of it to visually communicate its Vorlon/Membari heritage" *cough* *Cough* the hideous Omega-X shadow hybrids.
By you naming the Warlock class as part of this list. You broke your own rule. It is still a fighter carrier hybrid. Not only that but the ship is massive! It's almost 2000m long. Destroyers are supposed to screen for the larger ships. But the Warlock is larger than the Omegas.
Have to agree, the Warlock is closer to a Battleship than anything else. Designed as a weapons platform first and foremost and the largest ship in the EA fleet, anything less than Battleship is a disservice despite how they name it in universe.
The Recusant Class Light Destroyer is my favorite Star Wars ship. With how small and skeletal it is it still carries 240 Starfighters and a whopping 102 combined Laser & point defense canons. Couldn’t be a better anti-starfighter ship.
@@alecsmith3448 reminds me of the Nebulon B in that way, scares me half to death thinking about confidently flying into battle with something that spindly but hey, both of them worked well for their purpose
@@aurongrande6141 Aye, maybe I should ask more often. It's ripe for coverage, with ships and technologies that is fairly cohesive and not complete fantasy and with abundant footage available for showing off. To be fair they probably haven't gotten around to it since they've done a lot of ships from The Old Republic MMO recently, which they probably would have included a lot more and sooner if they had the time. Still, it can't hurt to ask :)
@@Arashmickey In the HW series, each ship has a rich personal backstory to them, especially when you read the thick manuals that came with the games. It's sort of like multiple stories within a story.
From textual medium, there are the Roland-class destroyers from the Honor Harrington series. These things are bigger than some of the earlier light cruisers and also pack more of a punch: 4 grasers (gamma-ray lasers), 10 lasers, 12 missile launchers, 20 countermissile tubes, 30 point-defense lasers. It's also the smallest ship in the setting to ever carry the Mark 16 dual-drive missiles, giving it incredible engagement range over any other destroyer.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. I mean, Daniel said it himself: just because something is called a destroyer doesn't make it one and gave the example of a Stardestroyer which is absolutely correct. The Warlock is anything but a specialized vessel. I like it (although not as much as most fans of B5 do) but it hasn't much to do with the topic of this list.
Agreed. Somebody's bias for the design is showing through here. EarthForce "destroyers" were capital ships, and more powerful in most ways that the Nova-class "dreadnought" design.
Eh, the Burkes still serve a similar (albeit modernized and much-expanded) fleet role to the Clemson's, even if their capabilities are far greater and frigates have taken over some of the former destroyer duties. The Warlocks and Omegas do not do those kind of jobs. They're definitely not escorts or small attack ships, they're capital ships, battlecarriers to borrow a phrase from various scifi games.
+Rich McGee Burkes do everything while the first destroyers had very specific roles which got expanded till they become the everything ship. The Omega and Warlock are everything ships from fleet ships to fly the flag solo border patrol. The Iowa class battleships where escort ships they where used to escort the Essex fleet carriers and to escort landing ships for beach landings in WW2 and escorted Nimitz class carriers during the 90's re-activation. In navies where the destroyer or even frigate is the biggest ship (all but the 10 biggest navies in the world) they would perform duties like the omega and warlock do.
Yeah I dunno why and am curious as to the fact of why it seems like the role descriptors cruiser and destroyer seem to have been reversed in the Earth Alliance of B5?
The thing is, all Earth ships in Babylon 5 are small (and weak) in comparison to ships of several other races. Being that other races builded spaceships for hundreds or thousand of years before humans made into space, like Minbari. Kinda same thing with Asgard ships - Goa'uld or Wraith ships are to be considered Battleships and Carriers in their Universe, and they are far larger than Asgard ships.
@@ImperativeGames it wasn't the other races who called Warlock and Omega "Destroyer" it was the Earth Navy itself. It was explained to preserve the dignity of the Hyperion Cruiser the Navy classified Omega and then Warlock as Destroyers.
@@alexhurlbut it was actually due to budget and politics. After the Earth-Minbari war the EA senate didn't want to build cruisers, as they saw it as sabre rattling against the vastly superior Minbari, but the EA fleet desperately needed a new mainline cruiser. So to get it through senate approval, the named the Omega (A cruiser by all standards in universe) a 'destroyer' and apparently the con worked, senate approval for the omega went through. The official designation for the Warlock is 'advanced destroyer', but in EA strategy it is meant to be used as the centre of a task force and stand toe-to-toe with almost anything a younger race can deploy, even a Sharlin or Shargoti, so its pretty much a dreadnought
In my opinion a destroyer is a ship, relatively small when compared to other ships in that universe, that uses pack tactics combined with its speed and maneuverability to take out much larger prey. It shouldn't be capable of standing on the line. A Hero ship like the O'Neill throws the classification out the window and the Warlock seems more like a pocket assault carrier than a destroyer as well.
I know, I'm a Homeworld fanboy, but I love the naval but still function look of the Hiigaran Destroyer from Homeworld 2. There's just something about those big turrets turning into position to blast away an enemy frigate or resource operation that I love.
Fun fact about the Warlock. While it is the first EarthForce ship with artificial gravity, it's not used the same way as some of the more advanced races like the Minbari or the Vree. It's more like the Centauri way of lowering the ship's effective mass and then propelling it using conventional engines. The Minbari and the Vree have developed gravitic engines that allow them to move effortlessly through space (Vree saucers even spin while moving).
I was all prepared to complain a out you not mentioning the Warlock, and then - bang - you did! I punched the sky. According to JMS, the Warlock was actually designed and built by the EArthforce prior to the conclusion of the series (evidently pre-civil war, when Clarke continued development of it) but hadn't entered service yet by the time of the formation of the ISA. Once the ISA happened, Minbari gravity tech was hurriedly retrofitted into the Warlock, but it was designed for zero G. Also, afaik, there was no Vorlon tech in the ships though evidently some shadowtech had been very surreptitiously worked in during the construction phase, which would have allowed the drakh to simply take them over. This is all from JMS's own short stories, so it's canon.
The Hiigaran Destroyer from Homeworld 2 - I hoped it would be on the list. I like it's compact form and the fact that it orientates sideways when engaging.
The destroyer is my favorite type of warship. My dad spent most of his naval career on destroyers and the Arleigh Burke class is the workhorse of the modern US Navy. As for my favorite scifi version, I don't know but leaning towards the Halo designs.
Creldest Most historians attribute Wagner. In Die Nibelunglied, Odin’s helmet had wings and Brunhild’s had horns. This is popularized in a cartoon where Bugs Bunny filled in for Brunhilda.
Spacedock will you do a video on your favorite non-combat ships? You were right on point about BSG’s Demetrius in that video, and there’s an abundance of cargo ships and unconventional designs that don’t often get enough deserved recognition. As always, you do fantastic work and I look forward to seeing what you do next!
Says he's not gonna use things like Star Destroyers because they fit into a battleship/carrier role, then uses the Warlock-class which similarly fits into the battleship/carrier role
The Warlock Class had a nanotech armor plating reverse engeneered from shadow tech, that regenerates using extra power output from the 2 advanced fusion reactors. Was a behemoth that pretty much could go toe to toe except maybe the Vorlon Dreadnaught. *There is no Canon.Theres Only Legends.*
The Warlock was the first vessel Earthforce had that could be expected to shirtfront a Sharlin and still come home alive. Indeed that was pretty much the design philosophy, given that the Minbari were the top dogs in the local space.
The warlock destroyer is awesome. The first ship with real artificial gravity and specially design to fight and win againts minbari ships. This video has more information about the Warlock destroyer: ruclips.net/video/YK_85jtizVI/видео.html
No complaints about this list what so ever. I will however say that the MAC battery on the Halbard is, in fact, directly through the center of the slanted plates. They curve down over it to provide protection. What you see below it is, in fact, a launch/recovery bay for dropships or fighters, or even kill-vehicles.
I thought you said you were going to eliminate battleships that were called destroyers? No Star Destroyers is what you said specifically, and if so, why the hell are you including EAS Warlock which is the Star Destroyer of the B5 universe?
I'd kind of like to see the 40k cobra mentioned here. It's fast and armed with anticapital torpedos- proper traditional real life navy destroyer design aimed at destroying cruisers and battleships and getting back to friendly waters fast. It being 1500m long shouldn't exclude it because with every other ship mentioned it's come down to use. I do think the cobra's more "destroyer" than the star wars and b5 ships, which seem to double up as light carriers :) Doesn't matter, I enjoyed the vid anyway :)
One Halberd class destroyer appears in Red vs Blue.. the Warlock class btw doesnt have Minbari or Vorlon tech... it got minbari tech in the form of gravitic engines and inertial dumpers and gravity.. but the armour was EA's own..so was the weapons.. they did had shadow tech but aparently it was software related.. There is one JMS short history called "Hidden Agendas" wich is canon and deals with Ivanova's ship, the EAS Titans, one of the very first Warlock destroyers and her shadow tech...
It's from a book series and generally fairly unsexy looking, but I'd still like to nominate the Roland class from the Honorverse. These things can utterly stomp cruisers and even occasional capital ships of other navies thanks to being extremely agile and equipped with long-ranged and extremely hard-hitting missiles. They win every engagement they're ever seen in (aside from one point-blank ambush on ships in parking orbit) without taking any return fire at all, just merrily zooming around and knocking enemy ships out from a safe distance.
The Fury Interceptor is also a SWTOR only ship, but I LOVE its design and it's my favourite Star Wars ship hands down. Maybe someday, some of these designs can make their way into the new canon, but for now at least I can still play SWTOR.
I think the Staff of Charon from Red vs Blue is a Halberd Class, so we get to see it in action (sort of) in visual media even if not in the main Halo universe.
My attempt: 5. Gallente Algos class destroyer/drone carrier (EVE Online) A cool little ship, it looks futuristic (although the windows look like a WW2 bomber), the launch bays are looking good and the fuel tanks on the sides provide nice extra detail, my only issue with the design are the engines being off the center off mass (typical problem of sci-fi ship designs). 4. MCRN Morrigan class (The Expanse) The healthy dose of Expanse's realism packed in MCRN color scheme, I don't think I have to say anything else here. 3. Kushan Revelation class destroyer (Homeworld) Liked this ship since my first one came out of Motherships production facility. Revelation is simple design combining a cool looking spaceship with a bit of WW2 stylization. From gameplay perspective, it is well armed and can take some punishment (I took the mission with Taiidan launching an asteroid on the mothership as my failiure, when half of my Revelations went down in swarm of Taiidan ships, it was the first time I lost them). 2. Taiidan Skaal-Tel class destroyer (Homeworld) OK, I'm not exactly sure why I like this ship so much (it was hard to decide, whether it should be first, or second). Possibly it's because of it's unusual shapes and somewhat futuristic look. It is a great example of how ship designs in HW1 were better than in HW2 (not that they would be bad, they just don't suceed in being distinctive most of the time and they're missing class names). If you say Homeworld, there's a good chance that the first thing that came into my mind was Skaal-Tel. 1. Garmillas Kripitera class astro destroyer (Space battleship Yamato 2199) A beautiful combination of a spaceship, alien organic shapes and WW2 stylization. This ship has it's super-cool appearence of an agressive predator I can't get enough of and looks apropriate for an expandable ship designed to operate in large numbers. From tactical standpoit, this ship could be your enemie's worst nightmare, if serving under the right commander, being able to vaporize entire battlegroups of cruisers with a single barrage of fusion torpedoes, while using it's powerful RCS thrusters to dodge enemy fire (too bad, that well over 95% of garmillas commanders are total idiots and Kripiteras end up being a cannon fodder most of the time 😢). Flaws? Aside from replacing bad commanders, this ship could really use some bloody PDCs for extra defense and computer guidence for all beam weaponary (Or you know what? Automate it completely to save lives of soldiers and just give it commands from your flagship, Garmillas have advanced enough AI to pilot ships), other than that, I wouldn't really change anything about this little beauty.
@Spacedock If you like the Halberd class destroyer from Halo, id Suggest watching season 10 of Red vs Blue, they have a good little brawl with one and its casted beautifully, with a spectacular introduction.
Won't include Star Destroyers because, despite the name, they are actually a Battleship/Carrier Hybrid. Includes Warlock-class destroyer which, despite the name, IS A BATTLESHIP/CARRIER HYBRID.
tbh i've never had a problem with the name Star Destroyer until this channel pointed it out. Always thought of it more as a destroyer of stars type deal not the ship class
I like the Omega class from B-5 better because it's more realistic. In reality, the ability to generate artificial gravity would be a technological game changer on par with digital computing, atomic energy, or even electricity. Until we make that leap warships will have to use rotating sections and I like that B-5 acknowledged that. Also, it made animating the Omega class ships more difficult because they have those central rotating sections but it greatly adds to the realism.
The Halberd is a great ship even in-universe. It is slightly shorter than a UNSC frigate, but it has 2 meters of Titanium-A armor (a frigate has 60cm and a Marathon class heavy cruiser has 1.9 meters) and it carries 2 MAC cannons. It is not only more heavily armored than other ships of it's size but it also has twice the firepower and has more than adequate speed, the only downside of the Halberd is that it can't transport as many troops or fighters wings as other UNSC ships, and that's the beauty of this design, the Halberd was made for one thing and one thing only: to fight. The Halberd can hunt down targets, punch far above its weight class and take hits that no other ship of the same size can withstand, things like utily, supplies and cargo space it leaves to other ships, it is a straight up, unapologetic brawler and i just fucking love it.
Sins of a solar empire rebellion has a halo mod and the Halberd class is a great fleet support ship. No covy ship could stand up to a dozen of those wicked little ships
The big problem with lifting water-based naval terminology and applying it to space vessels is that a space warship has to be simultaneously a battleship, carrier, and submarine, at least in universes with easy FTL and psuedo-netwonian physics.
While it's typed as a frigate, and its class is called corvette the type of the Rocinante in the Expanse could be looked on as a highly effective light destroyer. It has excellent point defense from its six Gatling cannons which can also rip into enemy ships in CBQ, but what makes me want to look on it as a destroyer is the main armament consisting of an excellent package of missiles to include nukes. The lack of rail-guns (the main form of mid to long range gunnery in the Expanse) is something of a weakness, but probably a necessary trade-off to keep the size limited in keeping with its role which to me very much suggests destroyer. All that plus an excellent sensor package and extremely maneuverable allowing it to punch way above its weight when commanded well and very able to sustain a crew for long patrols. A great ship no matter how we class it.
You are the first and to date only person I have ever heard say anything nice about the _Terminus_-class. I surely respect your opinion but, like. That's noteworthy.
I don't think you can consider the Warlock as an actual destroyer, it's the successor to the Omega, which- while not a battleship per se, should not be considered a destroyer- it's possible to have gotten the info from a game, or something or someone, but still- I wouldn't call the Warlock a destroyer.
The Earth Alliance seems to use the term Destroyer in place of Battleship or Cruiser. The Omega is called a Destroyer yet it succeeded the Nova Dreadnoughts. Though I think I've heard the Warlock class cruiser but that may have been a non-canon source. But the Warlock is more of a Cruiser/Battleship than a Destroyer analog. But I do love the ship though I think it has more Shadow based tech than Minbari and Vorlon. I know Shadow based tech went into one of the armor layers and the ship came during the formation of the Interstellar Alliance at the end of season 4, before Vorlon and Minbari tech should have been filtered to the EA and Earth had been appropriating Shadow tech prior to, i.e. the advanced Omegas from Season 4 that Ivonova took on with the Whitestars.
I would say the Warlock is a battleship or at least a heavy cruiser as they are clearly meant to fight other capital ships and have a wide range of weapons available to them. But of course sci-fi in general does a terrible job of translating modern warship classifications, which are themselves often completely arbitrary, into spaceships.
WitherTax I gotta agree. Destroyers should basically highly maneuverable, long endurance warships designed to escort larger ships or convoys. The Omega and Warlock class ships are closer to Battleship/Carrier hybrids.
Earthforce plays a bit lose with naming conventions. Destroyers are large capital ships designed after the EA Minbari war for space superiority, carrier, and general ship of the line missions. The Omega is larger then the Hyperion class cruiser or the Nova dreadnought, and was the main line vessel of the EA, backed up by cruisers, missile ships, scouts and patrol ships. The equivalent of a navy destroyer for them is the non jump capable Artemis class, which carries railguns. The Warlock is a dreadnought, no doubt about it, but the EA uses the word destroyer in its older context, IE something that destroys.
Eh, I'm going to give him a pass on this one ... EA (no, not electronic arts _shudder_ ) seems to be kinda following the USN in turning a "destroyer" - what in WWII was a disposable escort - into more of a cruiser role. More of a _heavy_ cruiser, given the USN's distaste for expending the bloody things (not as if they're cheap, mind, but then: destroyers _are_ cheap because you may have to expend them). The _actual_ destroyer role - cheap, disposable, improbably fast - seems to have passed to the Littoral Combat Ship, though that's still not particularly cheap.
The Warlock class is and was not ever intended to be a true destroyer. It, along with the earlier Omegas, were intended to be heavy cruisers/battleships. They were intended to go toe to toe with the Minbari Sharlin war cruisers. They were labeled "destroyers" by Earthforce in order to "sell" them to the Eath Gov Senate. Logic being that it wouldn't come across as "warmongering" building destroyers as opposed to building numbers of cruisers or battleships. If one really thinks about it, when considering their ability to carry fighter/attack craft, troops, heavy armor and firepower, and adequate(by human standards of the time) C n C systems, it would be fair to call them, dare I say, Battlestars?
This comment will likely go unnoticed, but have you ever considered doing a series analyzing the weapins and equipment used in Sci-fi? You could call it something like "Spacedock Quartermaster" or "Spacedock Armory". I think it would complement the others very well, particularly Planetside. Just an idea, keep doing what you're doing regardless of whether or not you see this, let alone entertain the idea.
I don't ever remember seeing a bunch of tie fighters leave a Star Destroyer before. I can't classify a Star Destroyer as a battleship/carrier hybrid, more of a true battleship.
Depending on how exactly one defines the destroyer role, I'd personally put a spot for either the GTCv Deimos or the GVC Mentu - Freespace has this thing where the ships called destroyers are the largest normal ships in a fleet (when a larger ship beyond what had been classified as a destroyer shows up in FS1, it ends up called a superdestroyer, and when even larger ships appear in FS2 they never even get a classification), clear battleship-carrier hybrid (some of them being more battleship and some being more carrier). Of the ships called destroyers, I'd put the GVD Hatshepsut as a favorite, mostly for aesthetics.
I am a great fan of 40k, but it will just be Super Star Destroyer, compared to 1 Standard Space Marine with a jump pack or a Death Star compared to a squad of such Marines. Really, not much of a chance to compare properly
@@jtojagicc The closest for scale and tech level is Star Wars, except they tend not to be as absolutely brutal in their tactics. Destroying a whole planet was a huge and difficult to achieve event in SW, while it is a standardized tactic in WH40K. Star wars has tons of industrial production and manpower, but most of it is not set up to support war like WH40K either. The two real advantages that SW would have is much more reliable and faster FTL tech and droids. WH40K has something like the Force that they use to travel in FTL and to communicate over interstellar distances, but it is broken (thanks Eldar!) and is about as reliable as playing Pictionary crossed with Telephone. FTL travel involves entering a place that is worse than hell mixed with HP Lovecraft, complete with time and space warping extremes, while hiding from all the hungry and crazy things lurking in there, plus just being there can make you crazy while distorting your body in monstrous ways. In WH40K, going through something like the Kessel Run would pop your ship out who knows where and when, all while turning it and everyone aboard into horrors that would make Pennywise the Clown pee himself.
Sins of a Solar Empire full conversion mod for Halo called: Sins of the Prophets. The Halberd destroyer gets a huge role is this game! A wonderful game with many great full conversion mods, and the Halo mod is by far one of the best and most well made out of them all. Take a look if you would like to see more about any class of ship!
I'd really like to see a video on colony ships or seed ships. Basically ships designed to support massive civilian populations for extended periods of time, sometimes even for many generations, while they go in search of habitable planets for one reason or another. My personal favorite in that category would have to be the Sidonia, from the manga and anime Knights of Sidonia. Forged straight through an asteroid and designed entirely for functionality over form, with planetary-scale artillery and mecha fighter support called Gardes. The scenes in the anime depicting the emergency acceleration maneuvers in order to alter its trajectory are particularly harrowing, with the internal view it gives the the viewers of the insane gravitational effects it has on the civilian column.
Yay! Stargate!
Carter: "The Asgard named a new ship after you."
O'Neill: "Oh?!"
Carter: "We had to destroy it though."
O'Neill: "Oh..."
XD
I love Stargate
I know im asking randomly but does someone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the password. I would love any help you can offer me!
@Gerardo Joel instablaster =)
@Vihaan Walter thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm in the hacking process atm.
Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
UNSC halo ships have still the best naming conventions - as they just go completely nuts with their names "UNSC Tokyo Rules" :D
GunRunner I’ve been browsing the Halo wiki recently, and some of the commercial freighters have pretty funny ones. This Side Up, Bulk Discount, or Handle With Care. I love the little humorous things that game developers and authors put into their worlds!
Love the halo ship designs and names, they either roll or the tongue like the unsc heart of midlothian or are comical like the unsc do you feel lucky
Bum Rush. Say My Name. Some really good ones out there. I wonder if theres an entire division of the Navy that just names new ships once they ran out of famous battles and people to name them after.
Actually come to think of it, the interesting names started showing up after Nylund left Im pretty sure, cause all the ones in his novels were US-Navy styled.
Unsc say my name
It’s an actual cannon ship ( I think it’s a frigate)
@@suborgulag7908 Carrier. Its the one Alpha-9 deploys out of in ODSTs opening.
Fun fact: The Halberd class destroyer was initially created by fans for a Sins of A Solar Empire mod called “Sins of the Prophets”. In fact 343 Studios commandeered a lot of the ship designs from that mod.
I don’t think they “commandeered” it, the SoTP mod team works with 343 occasionally
Oneill Class is a battleship. No doubt about it.
Yup ... heaviest-in-species combat vessel doesn't exactly scream "disposable escort" like destroyers are _supposed_ to be.
my thought exactly. While they don't have "officially" designated type, they are the main warship of the fleet, in SG those ships are usually designated "motherships"
So its the Warlock.. actually i think i renember something that the Warlock despite being named a destroyer was a replacement for the Nova class dreadnoughs.. implying their roles was indeed that of a dreadnough...
In fact both the Omega and Warlock are more tecnically a fast-battleship.. the Omega when introduced was the fastest EA warship to date.. faster even than the Hyperion and Olympus.. the Warlock is suposed to be even faster having better engines with gravitic tecnology..and also having inertial dumpers..allowing the ship to go beyong human limits
And the Warlock
What is the difference between frigates, destroyers, battleships, etc?
The Recusant has to be my favorite CIS ship. It's so unique-looking it's like a flagship of some sort.
I would have classed the O'Neil as a cruiser despite it being called a destroyer. It seems like a replacement ship of the line for the Asgard and is used as such throughout the show, acting independently from larger fleets or as a frontline ship during larger battles. the weapons themselves are OP and geared towards massive damage output and sustained combat rather than anything specialized.
Some notes on the Terminus-class:
1. Regarding the hangar, you're right. The Terminus' interior models in various parts of the game are completely inconsistent with the ships' exterior layouts. The same can be said for the Harrower-class. In both cases, the ships' layouts are positioned entirely behind the bridge, when the exterior features are all positioned in front of the bridge.
2. The Terminus-class destroyer does not feature two "wings" on top of the ship, those are Long Range Sensor Towers.
3. The turbolasers on the fore of the Terminus are not fixed, although their firing arcs should probably be more limited than they are in SWTOR itself where they habitually clip through the ship.
I hope it is frigates next
Valkyrie Air Defense Frigate - StarCraft Brood War
Stalwart Class Light Frigate - Halo
Confederate Munificent Class Frigate - Star Wars
@@captaindusty4884 The Muificent was a Star Frigate
Northampton-class Stealth Frigate - Macross Plus until Macross Delta.
A cannon fodder ship of any UN Spacy/NUNS' fleets.
www.macross2.net/m3/macrossplus/northampton-stealthfrigate.htm
The Normandy would be his top pick. Paris or Stalwart class would get a solid mention.
Frig it!
'They protect, They attack'! But mostly they Destroy!
HALO - Halberd Class looks smexy AF.
Daniel, are you familiar with the Honor Harrington books by David Weber?
Weber goes into great detail about ship classification in his universe and while you might not agree with him entirely (he uses Dreadnought and Super Dreadnaught as specific classes, distinct from and larger than Battleships) I think you would find it interesting if you haven't read it yet.
Yeah, was sorta hoping the Roland-class would pop up (also the Deacon-class from the Homeworld series, but that's another matter).
Thank you for putting the spotlight on the Halberd and Warlock, such pretty ships. Although, my favorite Sci-fi destroyer is the Roland-Class from David Weber's Honorverse. I love a ship where the backstory of the design is that the Admiralty will not let you build a new modern class of Light Cruiser so in the mean time... Here is a destroyer that is slightly bigger and better armed than most navies light cruisers...
Why is the O'neill class in this video? I always heard it called a mothership, never a destroyer. And the Warlock is a battleship, the "Advanced Destroyer" classification was basically politics.
Destroy-‘er? I hardly even knew ‘er!
StarSilverInfinity what is that supposed to mean? That makes no sense.
@@8834pogi It's a dad-joke.
I actually ran some of the numbers on the Halberd Class Destroyer to see how fast it is and it's engine output, and really it's crazy slow with an acceleration comically low at just a tiny bit higher than than 3.5mm/s^2 (after about 10 minutes it could make it all the way up to reaching the speed of a very slow jog) and just because they have a mass listed for the class I decided to plug that into the calculation to get he engine performance at just a tad under 6.33 mN of thrust (which is roughly equal to the power of 33 F-35s pushing a mass over 80,000 times larger than the F-35). This is a particularly good example of the effects of Sci-fi writers having no sense of scale.
I have a question, if we are taking the canon feats of the Halberd Class Destroyer (ex: Keyes Loop), what would the Halberd’s speed and engine output be? Just curious.
Intresting? Where did you get the numbers on the engine?
@@arandomhamster233 based off the speed of a MAC round, how in the books MAC are considered impossible to dodge and the size of the ship.
The halberd is always an awesome design. Its hard to say exactly what makes it so cool.
I also always tend to like ships designed around fixed cannons. Not on a massive super weapon scale, but cruiser or smaller sized.
Battlecruiser next please, a lot of stargate fans want to see the 304s!
@@revbladez5773 Its literally called BC-304. BattleCruiser 304.
@@revbladez5773 Battleship itself is an outdated term and most sci-fis dont use them. And for the carrier abilities, if a ship can carry a couple of fighters, i doesnt mean its a carrier. Even Yamato could carry a couple if fighters. If we compare Odyssey and Galactica (both carrier/battleship hybrids), we can see that Galactica is relying on fighter a lot more than the 304. I'd say that Galactica is abput 70/30 aka carrier with guns, and the 304 is the other way around aka battlecruiser with fighters.
@@highgrounder5238 well the BC-304 is called a battlecruiser but not always does an IP get their own ship classes right (look at Mass Effect 1) in my opinion the BC-304 has huge carrier parts with it having like 4 hangars there's no need to deny that. As a ship it can hold it's own in combat but as seen on SG:A only truly reaches it's potencial with fighters deployed...
Could still be placed in a Battlecruiser video, for sure.
@@jensreiberg8086
Rev is right, it is not a battlecruiser by Spacedock definition, as it is a battleship-carrier hybrid. Battlecruisers are probably the most misnamed ship type in science fiction. A battlecruiser is a naval vessel with the main armament of a battleship, but with armor protection closer to that of a cruiser, giving them a faster speed as the cost of protection, the being to outrun whatever it could not outfight. HMS Hood best represented the pinnacle of this design philosophy, as well the flaws with said philosphy.
@@highgrounder5238
You are wrong on all three accounts. First, the Daedalus does not carry "a few fighters," but at least two squadrons. Second, Yamato also carries a number of fighters, 10-15 if I recall correctly. Third, both ships rely heavily on them for support during combat. Thus, they cannot be considered battlecruisers, or even battleships. Both ship types would only carry a couple of aircraft, suitable only for reconnaissance and light utility duties. To conclude, both battleships and battlecruisers rely ENTIRELY on their guns to engage enemy vessels, using one or two aircraft for spotting and reconnaissance ONLY. See my previous comment for the defining characteristics of a battlecruiser. Neither the Daedalus nor the Yamato are true battleships, ance they are likewise not battlecruisers.
Can we get a Top 5 'Hero Ships', things like the millennium Falcon, Normandy,Rosanante etc. Cool ships that get the heroes around space.
First, you say that you are restricting this list to proper destroyers, (not Star Destroyer-type ships) then you include the O'Neill and Warlock classes. Both vessels were mainline warships, used as battleships. The O'Neill was to replace the aging Beliskner class, which was the Asgard's most powerful ship. The Warlock was very similar, replacing the Omega class, also improperly named a destroyer.
The other entries on this list are perfectly acceptable, and I fully agree about the Halberd class and Terminus class destroyers. Those ships really deserve more love than they get.
"It would have been very easy for them to design some hideous ship with lots of yellow bits sticking out of it to visually communicate its Vorlon/Membari heritage" *cough* *Cough* the hideous Omega-X shadow hybrids.
Yeah, but they killed those with fire.
By you naming the Warlock class as part of this list. You broke your own rule. It is still a fighter carrier hybrid. Not only that but the ship is massive! It's almost 2000m long. Destroyers are supposed to screen for the larger ships. But the Warlock is larger than the Omegas.
Have to agree, the Warlock is closer to a Battleship than anything else. Designed as a weapons platform first and foremost and the largest ship in the EA fleet, anything less than Battleship is a disservice despite how they name it in universe.
Red vs Blue, Season 10 had a Halberd class Destroyer show up, emerging from a junk yard, and it is just so bloody cool. The lines on it are SO slick.
The Recusant Class Light Destroyer is my favorite Star Wars ship. With how small and skeletal it is it still carries 240 Starfighters and a whopping 102 combined Laser & point defense canons. Couldn’t be a better anti-starfighter ship.
I think it can even carry more fighters, by letting Vulture Droids clamp onto the hull of the ship.
Or that fact is already included in these numbers.
i always felt like it was just begging to have its engines shot off. does look cool though
@@alecsmith3448 reminds me of the Nebulon B in that way, scares me half to death thinking about confidently flying into battle with something that spindly but hey, both of them worked well for their purpose
@@tuskinradar8688 that’s what shields are for.
Homeworld RTS destroyer is pretty cool, especially the Vaygr destroyer IMHO.
I've been begging for him to to a series on the Homeworld ships, from the Motherships, to the HW2 Battlecruiser and the lowly Scout.
@@aurongrande6141 Aye, maybe I should ask more often. It's ripe for coverage, with ships and technologies that is fairly cohesive and not complete fantasy and with abundant footage available for showing off. To be fair they probably haven't gotten around to it since they've done a lot of ships from The Old Republic MMO recently, which they probably would have included a lot more and sooner if they had the time. Still, it can't hurt to ask :)
It definitely needs more attention on this channel. I'm still salty none of the HW carriers ranked in his "Top 5 Carriers" video.
What do we want? "HOMEWORLD SHIPS"! When do we want it? "WITHIN AN ACCEPTABLE TIME FRAME"!
@@Arashmickey In the HW series, each ship has a rich personal backstory to them, especially when you read the thick manuals that came with the games. It's sort of like multiple stories within a story.
From textual medium, there are the Roland-class destroyers from the Honor Harrington series. These things are bigger than some of the earlier light cruisers and also pack more of a punch: 4 grasers (gamma-ray lasers), 10 lasers, 12 missile launchers, 20 countermissile tubes, 30 point-defense lasers. It's also the smallest ship in the setting to ever carry the Mark 16 dual-drive missiles, giving it incredible engagement range over any other destroyer.
The Warlock isn’t a destroyer though, it’s a battleship/carrier just like the Omega
Yeah, I thought the same thing. I mean, Daniel said it himself: just because something is called a destroyer doesn't make it one and gave the example of a Stardestroyer which is absolutely correct. The Warlock is anything but a specialized vessel. I like it (although not as much as most fans of B5 do) but it hasn't much to do with the topic of this list.
Both the Omega and Warlock are called destroyers in Babylon 5 which they are in the same way the US Navies Arleigh Burke is to a WW1 Clemson class.
Agreed. Somebody's bias for the design is showing through here. EarthForce "destroyers" were capital ships, and more powerful in most ways that the Nova-class "dreadnought" design.
Eh, the Burkes still serve a similar (albeit modernized and much-expanded) fleet role to the Clemson's, even if their capabilities are far greater and frigates have taken over some of the former destroyer duties. The Warlocks and Omegas do not do those kind of jobs. They're definitely not escorts or small attack ships, they're capital ships, battlecarriers to borrow a phrase from various scifi games.
+Rich McGee Burkes do everything while the first destroyers had very specific roles which got expanded till they become the everything ship. The Omega and Warlock are everything ships from fleet ships to fly the flag solo border patrol. The Iowa class battleships where escort ships they where used to escort the Essex fleet carriers and to escort landing ships for beach landings in WW2 and escorted Nimitz class carriers during the 90's re-activation. In navies where the destroyer or even frigate is the biggest ship (all but the 10 biggest navies in the world) they would perform duties like the omega and warlock do.
The O'Neil and Warlock are battleships in all but name.
Have to agree, they call the Warlock a destroyer but it's actually really large in size. 2km long from memory.
Yeah I dunno why and am curious as to the fact of why it seems like the role descriptors cruiser and destroyer seem to have been reversed in the Earth Alliance of B5?
The thing is, all Earth ships in Babylon 5 are small (and weak) in comparison to ships of several other races. Being that other races builded spaceships for hundreds or thousand of years before humans made into space, like Minbari.
Kinda same thing with Asgard ships - Goa'uld or Wraith ships are to be considered Battleships and Carriers in their Universe, and they are far larger than Asgard ships.
@@ImperativeGames it wasn't the other races who called Warlock and Omega "Destroyer" it was the Earth Navy itself. It was explained to preserve the dignity of the Hyperion Cruiser the Navy classified Omega and then Warlock as Destroyers.
@@alexhurlbut it was actually due to budget and politics. After the Earth-Minbari war the EA senate didn't want to build cruisers, as they saw it as sabre rattling against the vastly superior Minbari, but the EA fleet desperately needed a new mainline cruiser. So to get it through senate approval, the named the Omega (A cruiser by all standards in universe) a 'destroyer' and apparently the con worked, senate approval for the omega went through. The official designation for the Warlock is 'advanced destroyer', but in EA strategy it is meant to be used as the centre of a task force and stand toe-to-toe with almost anything a younger race can deploy, even a Sharlin or Shargoti, so its pretty much a dreadnought
In my opinion a destroyer is a ship, relatively small when compared to other ships in that universe, that uses pack tactics combined with its speed and maneuverability to take out much larger prey. It shouldn't be capable of standing on the line. A Hero ship like the O'Neill throws the classification out the window and the Warlock seems more like a pocket assault carrier than a destroyer as well.
I know, I'm a Homeworld fanboy, but I love the naval but still function look of the Hiigaran Destroyer from Homeworld 2. There's just something about those big turrets turning into position to blast away an enemy frigate or resource operation that I love.
Not the biggest fan of the Terminus class design, but it's a solid ship. Would have moved it to fifth place and moved the list up accordingly.
I just got to season 3 of SG-1 for the first time. Looking forward to it!
I envy you, ive watched all of sg1 like at least 10 times over now, I think s6/7 is the best, Anubis and Baal are the best bad guys
Fun fact about the Warlock. While it is the first EarthForce ship with artificial gravity, it's not used the same way as some of the more advanced races like the Minbari or the Vree. It's more like the Centauri way of lowering the ship's effective mass and then propelling it using conventional engines. The Minbari and the Vree have developed gravitic engines that allow them to move effortlessly through space (Vree saucers even spin while moving).
I was all prepared to complain a out you not mentioning the Warlock, and then - bang - you did! I punched the sky. According to JMS, the Warlock was actually designed and built by the EArthforce prior to the conclusion of the series (evidently pre-civil war, when Clarke continued development of it) but hadn't entered service yet by the time of the formation of the ISA. Once the ISA happened, Minbari gravity tech was hurriedly retrofitted into the Warlock, but it was designed for zero G. Also, afaik, there was no Vorlon tech in the ships though evidently some shadowtech had been very surreptitiously worked in during the construction phase, which would have allowed the drakh to simply take them over. This is all from JMS's own short stories, so it's canon.
The Hiigaran Destroyer from Homeworld 2 - I hoped it would be on the list. I like it's compact form and the fact that it orientates sideways when engaging.
Warlock design deserves so much of our love! it has not aged a bit. I could see UNSC Infinity guarded by a squadron of Warlocks, hot damn.
The destroyer is my favorite type of warship. My dad spent most of his naval career on destroyers and the Arleigh Burke class is the workhorse of the modern US Navy. As for my favorite scifi version, I don't know but leaning towards the Halo designs.
Recusant is my favourite CIS ship. Looks so menacing and dangerous
Terminus class also had crazy good armer and shelds that's why Mar had it as his flagship.
Some other destrpyer designs I like: the Yukikaze from Space Battleship Yamato and the destroyers from Homeworld games series
Spacedock's sci-fi ship breakdowns are the best but it makes me wish there were videos like his about real life naval ships and military aircraft.
Viking helmets didn't actually have horns. It's a modern revision that there is no historical evidence for.
Its a little known fact that the helmets appeared to have horns, but the horns were actually growing from the Viking's heads...
That’s the joke.
I believe with can thank Wagner for that? Been a while since I studied Northern myths and legends.
Creldest Most historians attribute Wagner. In Die Nibelunglied, Odin’s helmet had wings and Brunhild’s had horns. This is popularized in a cartoon where Bugs Bunny filled in for Brunhilda.
Just a quick correction about the Halberd-class. The Halberd is not exactly a glass cannon as it is more heavily armored than its frigate counterparts
Spacedock will you do a video on your favorite non-combat ships? You were right on point about BSG’s Demetrius in that video, and there’s an abundance of cargo ships and unconventional designs that don’t often get enough deserved recognition.
As always, you do fantastic work and I look forward to seeing what you do next!
Hey, the Recusant also showed up in Republic Commando
Says he's not gonna use things like Star Destroyers because they fit into a battleship/carrier role, then uses the Warlock-class which similarly fits into the battleship/carrier role
Wow, those ships were amazing!
Great list! Love all of those ships. You make me want to go replay Old Republic. :)
The Warlock Class had a nanotech armor plating reverse engeneered from shadow tech, that regenerates using extra power output from the 2 advanced fusion reactors.
Was a behemoth that pretty much could go toe to toe except maybe the Vorlon Dreadnaught.
*There is no Canon.Theres Only Legends.*
The Warlock was the first vessel Earthforce had that could be expected to shirtfront a Sharlin and still come home alive. Indeed that was pretty much the design philosophy, given that the Minbari were the top dogs in the local space.
@@TheOneWhoMightBe That happened in The Strelas'tha incident. A Sharlin ambushed a Warlock and even fired first but the Warlock took it out.
The warlock destroyer is awesome. The first ship with real artificial gravity and specially design to fight and win againts minbari ships.
This video has more information about the Warlock destroyer:
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No complaints about this list what so ever.
I will however say that the MAC battery on the Halbard is, in fact, directly through the center of the slanted plates. They curve down over it to provide protection.
What you see below it is, in fact, a launch/recovery bay for dropships or fighters, or even kill-vehicles.
I thought you said you were going to eliminate battleships that were called destroyers? No Star Destroyers is what you said specifically, and if so, why the hell are you including EAS Warlock which is the Star Destroyer of the B5 universe?
That was my thought. Closer to a Battleship-Carrier model you profess to hate
I'd kind of like to see the 40k cobra mentioned here. It's fast and armed with anticapital torpedos- proper traditional real life navy destroyer design aimed at destroying cruisers and battleships and getting back to friendly waters fast.
It being 1500m long shouldn't exclude it because with every other ship mentioned it's come down to use. I do think the cobra's more "destroyer" than the star wars and b5 ships, which seem to double up as light carriers :)
Doesn't matter, I enjoyed the vid anyway :)
One Halberd class destroyer appears in Red vs Blue..
the Warlock class btw doesnt have Minbari or Vorlon tech... it got minbari tech in the form of gravitic engines and inertial dumpers and gravity.. but the armour was EA's own..so was the weapons.. they did had shadow tech but aparently it was software related..
There is one JMS short history called "Hidden Agendas" wich is canon and deals with Ivanova's ship, the EAS Titans, one of the very first Warlock destroyers and her shadow tech...
It's from a book series and generally fairly unsexy looking, but I'd still like to nominate the Roland class from the Honorverse. These things can utterly stomp cruisers and even occasional capital ships of other navies thanks to being extremely agile and equipped with long-ranged and extremely hard-hitting missiles. They win every engagement they're ever seen in (aside from one point-blank ambush on ships in parking orbit) without taking any return fire at all, just merrily zooming around and knocking enemy ships out from a safe distance.
The Fury Interceptor is also a SWTOR only ship, but I LOVE its design and it's my favourite Star Wars ship hands down. Maybe someday, some of these designs can make their way into the new canon, but for now at least I can still play SWTOR.
The Sith Empire ships are my favorite and I would love to see a redone overview of their fleet.
I think the Staff of Charon from Red vs Blue is a Halberd Class, so we get to see it in action (sort of) in visual media even if not in the main Halo universe.
The halberg looks really nice and a more military looking ship than the others.
My attempt:
5. Gallente Algos class destroyer/drone carrier (EVE Online)
A cool little ship, it looks futuristic (although the windows look like a WW2 bomber), the launch bays are looking good and the fuel tanks on the sides provide nice extra detail, my only issue with the design are the engines being off the center off mass (typical problem of sci-fi ship designs).
4. MCRN Morrigan class (The Expanse)
The healthy dose of Expanse's realism packed in MCRN color scheme, I don't think I have to say anything else here.
3. Kushan Revelation class destroyer (Homeworld)
Liked this ship since my first one came out of Motherships production facility. Revelation is simple design combining a cool looking spaceship with a bit of WW2 stylization. From gameplay perspective, it is well armed and can take some punishment (I took the mission with Taiidan launching an asteroid on the mothership as my failiure, when half of my Revelations went down in swarm of Taiidan ships, it was the first time I lost them).
2. Taiidan Skaal-Tel class destroyer (Homeworld)
OK, I'm not exactly sure why I like this ship so much (it was hard to decide, whether it should be first, or second). Possibly it's because of it's unusual shapes and somewhat futuristic look. It is a great example of how ship designs in HW1 were better than in HW2 (not that they would be bad, they just don't suceed in being distinctive most of the time and they're missing class names). If you say Homeworld, there's a good chance that the first thing that came into my mind was Skaal-Tel.
1. Garmillas Kripitera class astro destroyer (Space battleship Yamato 2199)
A beautiful combination of a spaceship, alien organic shapes and WW2 stylization. This ship has it's super-cool appearence of an agressive predator I can't get enough of and looks apropriate for an expandable ship designed to operate in large numbers. From tactical standpoit, this ship could be your enemie's worst nightmare, if serving under the right commander, being able to vaporize entire battlegroups of cruisers with a single barrage of fusion torpedoes, while using it's powerful RCS thrusters to dodge enemy fire (too bad, that well over 95% of garmillas commanders are total idiots and Kripiteras end up being a cannon fodder most of the time 😢). Flaws? Aside from replacing bad commanders, this ship could really use some bloody PDCs for extra defense and computer guidence for all beam weaponary (Or you know what? Automate it completely to save lives of soldiers and just give it commands from your flagship, Garmillas have advanced enough AI to pilot ships), other than that, I wouldn't really change anything about this little beauty.
I really hope we get to see the Halberd more, or a next-generation destroyer with a similar shape. That design is beautiful.
I want the term "refit" to become a new norm for Spacedock. Instead of reuploads or 2.0 versions of topics, just call them refits.
@Spacedock If you like the Halberd class destroyer from Halo, id Suggest watching season 10 of Red vs Blue, they have a good little brawl with one and its casted beautifully, with a spectacular introduction.
The Halberd class does show up in season 10 of Red Vs Blue as the 'Staff Of Charon', not strictly halo but heavily based on it.
So glad that the O'Neill Class and Halberd made it on the list.
The Warlock was designed to match the Minbari Sharlin. It is clearly a battle/warcruiser
The halberd class is shown in the red vs blue series around season 6 and so on. More specifically the Staff of Charon.
Won't include Star Destroyers because, despite the name, they are actually a Battleship/Carrier Hybrid.
Includes Warlock-class destroyer which, despite the name, IS A BATTLESHIP/CARRIER HYBRID.
The nebula class from the old Star Wars expanded universe is one of my personal favorites.
Brebel Appliance That‘s a cruiser.
Great top 5 Daniel, thank you!
Agreed with the Warlock class Advanced Destroyer also my favourite EA ship. Was also designed to have Shadow bio organic armour
Holding out for the Blakes 7 Liberator in the hopeful battlecruiser video.
tbh i've never had a problem with the name Star Destroyer until this channel pointed it out. Always thought of it more as a destroyer of stars type deal not the ship class
Two thumbs up for the Warlock Class!
I like the Omega class from B-5 better because it's more realistic. In reality, the ability to generate artificial gravity would be a technological game changer on par with digital computing, atomic energy, or even electricity. Until we make that leap warships will have to use rotating sections and I like that B-5 acknowledged that. Also, it made animating the Omega class ships more difficult because they have those central rotating sections but it greatly adds to the realism.
Alantis/city ship should have been on here but I'm happy they put the O'Neill
The Halberd is a great ship even in-universe.
It is slightly shorter than a UNSC frigate, but it has 2 meters of Titanium-A armor (a frigate has 60cm and a Marathon class heavy cruiser has 1.9 meters) and it carries 2 MAC cannons.
It is not only more heavily armored than other ships of it's size but it also has twice the firepower and has more than adequate speed, the only downside of the Halberd is that it can't transport as many troops or fighters wings as other UNSC ships, and that's the beauty of this design, the Halberd was made for one thing and one thing only: to fight.
The Halberd can hunt down targets, punch far above its weight class and take hits that no other ship of the same size can withstand, things like utily, supplies and cargo space it leaves to other ships, it is a straight up, unapologetic brawler and i just fucking love it.
The terminus class also laid out the design for the victory escort destroyer which was different from the victory class star destroyer
Sins of a solar empire rebellion has a halo mod and the Halberd class is a great fleet support ship. No covy ship could stand up to a dozen of those wicked little ships
The big problem with lifting water-based naval terminology and applying it to space vessels is that a space warship has to be simultaneously a battleship, carrier, and submarine, at least in universes with easy FTL and psuedo-netwonian physics.
While it's typed as a frigate, and its class is called corvette the type of the Rocinante in the Expanse could be looked on as a highly effective light destroyer. It has excellent point defense from its six Gatling cannons which can also rip into enemy ships in CBQ, but what makes me want to look on it as a destroyer is the main armament consisting of an excellent package of missiles to include nukes. The lack of rail-guns (the main form of mid to long range gunnery in the Expanse) is something of a weakness, but probably a necessary trade-off to keep the size limited in keeping with its role which to me very much suggests destroyer. All that plus an excellent sensor package and extremely maneuverable allowing it to punch way above its weight when commanded well and very able to sustain a crew for long patrols.
A great ship no matter how we class it.
In the books it's classified as both a corvette and a torpedo bomber
Next series: Top 5 Underrepresented Ships of [ _Insert Franchise_ ]
The halberd class shows up in red vs blue a good few times
The Halberd is my favorite Halo ship
You are the first and to date only person I have ever heard say anything nice about the _Terminus_-class. I surely respect your opinion but, like. That's noteworthy.
I love the Imperial Raider which definitely fits the destroyer role.
My favorite destroyer design is the Vaygr Destoyer from Homeworld 2 -> awesome ship!
I don't think you can consider the Warlock as an actual destroyer, it's the successor to the Omega, which- while not a battleship per se, should not be considered a destroyer- it's possible to have gotten the info from a game, or something or someone, but still- I wouldn't call the Warlock a destroyer.
The Earth Alliance seems to use the term Destroyer in place of Battleship or Cruiser. The Omega is called a Destroyer yet it succeeded the Nova Dreadnoughts. Though I think I've heard the Warlock class cruiser but that may have been a non-canon source. But the Warlock is more of a Cruiser/Battleship than a Destroyer analog. But I do love the ship though I think it has more Shadow based tech than Minbari and Vorlon. I know Shadow based tech went into one of the armor layers and the ship came during the formation of the Interstellar Alliance at the end of season 4, before Vorlon and Minbari tech should have been filtered to the EA and Earth had been appropriating Shadow tech prior to, i.e. the advanced Omegas from Season 4 that Ivonova took on with the Whitestars.
I would say the Warlock is a battleship or at least a heavy cruiser as they are clearly meant to fight other capital ships and have a wide range of weapons available to them. But of course sci-fi in general does a terrible job of translating modern warship classifications, which are themselves often completely arbitrary, into spaceships.
WitherTax I gotta agree. Destroyers should basically highly maneuverable, long endurance warships designed to escort larger ships or convoys.
The Omega and Warlock class ships are closer to Battleship/Carrier hybrids.
Earthforce plays a bit lose with naming conventions. Destroyers are large capital ships designed after the EA Minbari war for space superiority, carrier, and general ship of the line missions. The Omega is larger then the Hyperion class cruiser or the Nova dreadnought, and was the main line vessel of the EA, backed up by cruisers, missile ships, scouts and patrol ships. The equivalent of a navy destroyer for them is the non jump capable Artemis class, which carries railguns. The Warlock is a dreadnought, no doubt about it, but the EA uses the word destroyer in its older context, IE something that destroys.
Eh, I'm going to give him a pass on this one ... EA (no, not electronic arts _shudder_ ) seems to be kinda following the USN in turning a "destroyer" - what in WWII was a disposable escort - into more of a cruiser role. More of a _heavy_ cruiser, given the USN's distaste for expending the bloody things (not as if they're cheap, mind, but then: destroyers _are_ cheap because you may have to expend them). The _actual_ destroyer role - cheap, disposable, improbably fast - seems to have passed to the Littoral Combat Ship, though that's still not particularly cheap.
Another space dock video, heck yeah
The warlock class has shadow tech in the armour and computer tech. I like the omega-x shadow tech enhanced omegas as well.
I like the Vaygr destroyer from Homeworld 2 with its massive missile battery.
9:55 not sure if it was thrown in on accident, but the ship that shows up here isn't a Terminus-class destroyer, but Arcann's flagship.
The Warlock class is and was not ever intended to be a true destroyer. It, along with the earlier Omegas, were intended to be heavy cruisers/battleships. They were intended to go toe to toe with the Minbari Sharlin war cruisers. They were labeled "destroyers" by Earthforce in order to "sell" them to the Eath Gov Senate. Logic being that it wouldn't come across as "warmongering" building destroyers as opposed to building numbers of cruisers or battleships. If one really thinks about it, when considering their ability to carry fighter/attack craft, troops, heavy armor and firepower, and adequate(by human standards of the time) C n C systems, it would be fair to call them, dare I say, Battlestars?
The Terminus looks like it inspired the Federal Corvette from Elite Dangerous.
This comment will likely go unnoticed, but have you ever considered doing a series analyzing the weapins and equipment used in Sci-fi? You could call it something like "Spacedock Quartermaster" or "Spacedock Armory". I think it would complement the others very well, particularly Planetside. Just an idea, keep doing what you're doing regardless of whether or not you see this, let alone entertain the idea.
3:56 The MAC batteries are inbetween the long bow plates. What's under the bow is a pelican launch bay.
Also, have you ever played Nexus: Jupiter Incident? They have great ships for both hard- and soft-scifi.
I don't ever remember seeing a bunch of tie fighters leave a Star Destroyer before. I can't classify a Star Destroyer as a battleship/carrier hybrid, more of a true battleship.
Depending on how exactly one defines the destroyer role, I'd personally put a spot for either the GTCv Deimos or the GVC Mentu - Freespace has this thing where the ships called destroyers are the largest normal ships in a fleet (when a larger ship beyond what had been classified as a destroyer shows up in FS1, it ends up called a superdestroyer, and when even larger ships appear in FS2 they never even get a classification), clear battleship-carrier hybrid (some of them being more battleship and some being more carrier). Of the ships called destroyers, I'd put the GVD Hatshepsut as a favorite, mostly for aesthetics.
Will you do more 40k ships?
you can't do 40k alongside regular sci-fi cause it's so over-the-top
@@jtojagicc Thats true XD
I am a great fan of 40k, but it will just be Super Star Destroyer, compared to 1 Standard Space Marine with a jump pack or a Death Star compared to a squad of such Marines. Really, not much of a chance to compare properly
@@jtojagicc The closest for scale and tech level is Star Wars, except they tend not to be as absolutely brutal in their tactics. Destroying a whole planet was a huge and difficult to achieve event in SW, while it is a standardized tactic in WH40K. Star wars has tons of industrial production and manpower, but most of it is not set up to support war like WH40K either. The two real advantages that SW would have is much more reliable and faster FTL tech and droids.
WH40K has something like the Force that they use to travel in FTL and to communicate over interstellar distances, but it is broken (thanks Eldar!) and is about as reliable as playing Pictionary crossed with Telephone. FTL travel involves entering a place that is worse than hell mixed with HP Lovecraft, complete with time and space warping extremes, while hiding from all the hungry and crazy things lurking in there, plus just being there can make you crazy while distorting your body in monstrous ways. In WH40K, going through something like the Kessel Run would pop your ship out who knows where and when, all while turning it and everyone aboard into horrors that would make Pennywise the Clown pee himself.
@@jtojagicc *points at the Asgard ship*
Sins of a Solar Empire full conversion mod for Halo called: Sins of the Prophets. The Halberd destroyer gets a huge role is this game! A wonderful game with many great full conversion mods, and the Halo mod is by far one of the best and most well made out of them all. Take a look if you would like to see more about any class of ship!
I'd really like to see a video on colony ships or seed ships. Basically ships designed to support massive civilian populations for extended periods of time, sometimes even for many generations, while they go in search of habitable planets for one reason or another.
My personal favorite in that category would have to be the Sidonia, from the manga and anime Knights of Sidonia. Forged straight through an asteroid and designed entirely for functionality over form, with planetary-scale artillery and mecha fighter support called Gardes. The scenes in the anime depicting the emergency acceleration maneuvers in order to alter its trajectory are particularly harrowing, with the internal view it gives the the viewers of the insane gravitational effects it has on the civilian column.
I think the Halberd is featured in Rooster Teeth’s “Red vs. Blue” show, in the later seasons.