The Search for the Perfect Fuel Bottle (and it isn't Trangia!)
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2024
- In a break in our usual programming, and to have some fun at the expense of this expensive Trangia Fuel Bottle Trend, I detail my Holy Grail search for the perfect bioethanol/meths alcohol fuel bottle (that doesn't cost £20!). Recycled or reused even better....for the planet and your wallet!
So here in the gameshow format is 'Would I Leak For You' or 'Fuelseye' or 'Whose Bottle Is It Anyway...who will be Fuely's Special Prize and win the contest?
I have gone completely mad, yes....
The 100 Mile trip will return next week or later this week, I couldn't face finishing the edit of Day 3 this week, that's the difficult arduous one, as you will see....so here's something more fun.
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While I don't use fluid stoves myself I can certainly appreciate the humour provided throughout this very entertaining (and educational) video 👍
thank you...I was worried the humour might fall flat....
@@harduphiker not at all... The editing certainly helped with that. Quite engaging visuals. You must have spent a lot of time on this one!
@@CampingRulesOkay a fair amount of time...the fun bits for me were the silly bits, I giggled a lot at the OOHs and AHHs - and Capcut's titles which are mostly dreadful work perfectly for 'bad gameshow' - so leaning into that.
It's an experiment to see if I could make a really dry subject entertaining!
@@harduphiker you succeeded 😊
I use herbicide concentrate containers for the stove meths for longer trips. I like the form factor of those containers (about 90mm Wx 30Dx140T for the 250ml) for packing. Yates make 200ml, 250ml and 500ml at least here in Australia. They have a childproof screwtop and are embossed "NOT TO BE TAKEN". Best of all, they have a clear 5,10,15 and 20ml graduated measuring tube that clips onto the bottle. I haven't had one leak while being carried or after being dropped. I also use them for long-term storage.
For overnighters, I carry alcohol fuel in a 120ml isopropyl alcohol hand sanitiser bottle. They come in a huge range of shapes and sizes and the screw-on lids are usually interchangeable with other containers, so you choose between a flip cap or a full childproof screwtop.
In the past i've tried glue containers with a long neck. They invariably leaked or burst. I even tried those foil pouch type waterbottles which are like an upsized version of those that some juices and yogurts come in. They reacted with methylated spirit, bubbled and leaked.
Interesting you tried the glue containers and they failed, others have recommended those. I wouldn't trust a pouch.
Herbicide concentrate containers - will keep an eye out for those, if they have them here. I guess with meths it doesn't matter, it's a bit toxic anyway. I personally would worry about the old herbicide leeching into the bioethanol and then becoming fumes....
Since I've made this video I've successfully used hand gel bottles (yup, agreed, work great), mouthwash and the Bananaboat bottles and none of those leaked...
I think squirty bottles are easiest to dispense the fuel, unless you have a measuring cap. Normal caps like mouthwash it tends to spill a little when you pour.
Whereas the pump bottles as shown here were a big no in practice, they went eveywhere.
Great video! Loved the humour and very informative. Also a alcohol stove user myself and use bioethanol. I only use meths if i'm desperate and haven't got any bioethanol. I use a methylated spirit container for my bioethanol. 500ml and it has the safety cap. I usally keep my fuel bottle in a large sandwich type bag in case it does leak one day.
Yes I think I might still do that even with the flip cap or other one...I am paranoid about leaks now!
😂 brilliant! Very entertaining.
I really appreciate this as I too dropped through the floor at the price of the Trangia bottle and have tried several bottles, to no avail.😊🏴
Yes, I never got how Trangia stuff is so expensive!
I use isopropyl alcohol bottles. By design they hit all the marks needed for carrying stove fuel. 475ml or 16 ounces lasts for many days.
Yes, those are good - sadly mine are still being used, if I had one empty I'd totally use that!
Thoroughly enjoyed the tongue in cheek commentary, thanks for a great video. I often use a Kilrock (KK20 for the nerds amongst us) descaled bottle. Never yet has it leaked on me, has a bright yellow safety cap and is very robust, it’s usual content is mainly formic acid. Regards Broadlander
Yes I know those -- decaler? Will keep an eye out at the pound shop!
@@harduphiker That’s the one. Living in the heart of Broadland our water is extremely hard and regular descaling of electrical appliances is essential for their longevity. Kilrock KK20 certainly seems to be the most effective descaler we have found to date and the bottles are second to none. I have made up a couple of Romanian/Swedish mess kit hybrids for friends and have included these as fuel bottles. The only downside is the screw cap should you be concerned about spillage. Keep up the entertaining videos. Regards Broadlander
I use an old 500ml sigg water bottle as a fuel bottle, it's got the relevant symbol stickers on it as well as sandpaper band as identification in the darkness of my pack (used to be able to strike matches on it too, that long ago) used a panda pop bottle for meths in the scouts too 😮
well as long as everything is marked and safe...I have heard stories from people almost drinking bioethanol or stopping others accidentally doing same!
BTW those Sigg bottles are great, I have one by my bed. Tritan FTW. (Also Tritan is also super inert, not the lightest plastic but unlike PET it doesn't taint by the contents)
I typically use a small 45ml wide mouthed snap-close wide container (or take a couple, according to my hike duration. They’re easy to fill, have good stability, are completely fuel-tight, fit inside my cook kits (either a 550ml cup set or a GSI Ketal 2, again, according to hike duration) and generally stowable without much risk of losing the contents. New subscriber day! 🖐🏻🏴
ooh welcome! Yes I do that, take as many 100ml containers as I need. 100ml stretches really easily to 2-3 days with my Fire Maple. The titanium pot oddly seems less efficient, so It's closer to 2.
I always used siggs back in the 80s but then they got popular as drinks bottles and they are a bit heavy. I still use a metal fuel bottle for my peteol stoves.
I managed to get a small and large trangia bottle on offer years ago. They are bomboroof. I tried a vargo. It leaked. I also have used the bottles the fuel comes in. Best is the French alcool bottles. Worst is the flat style meths bottles as too simolar to a whosky flask😂
I am finding the mouthwash bottles are pretty leak proof on this trip.. Shame the cap isn't so easy to pour
Trangia bottles are bomb proof. Also have Swedish mess kit bottle which is compact and flat design to put near body to keep fuel warm as needed. Nalgene bottles are also good( the small ones) Lars from Oz!
ooh I'll look for the mess kit bottle. I know the Trangias are bomb proof, but they are £17 for the 1litre size in my local hiking store. Ouch!
@@harduphikerThe mess kit one is shaped a bit like a hip flask.
someone gave me a metal trangia bottle 25 years ago. It's still going strong.
Glad to hear it! I just need someone to give me one...
I love your energy lol 😆
Thank you!
Really good and sensible video, with a dash of ironic humour.👌
Thank you!
Great video, entertaining and informative
I'm really lucky with this.
The good lady suffers quite badly with psoriasis and the only thing she can use to keep it at bay when she washes her hair is T-Gel
Shampoo is stupidly expensive (but she pays for that) and the bottles are indestructible, so I get a regular supply of excellent quality free fuel bottles 😁
Ooh yes,. I have used T-Gel in the past (I have eczema), those bottles are a good call.
I have that style fuel bottle,liter half for moter cycle emergency
Enjoyed the humour in this video.
I use a Zoflora concentrated multipurpose disinfectant bottle for my fuel.
They come in different sizes to suit your needs, easily distinguishable from other bottles and also have a raised warning triangle on them.
Ooh that's a good idea...will check it out.
@@harduphiker They come in 120, 250 & 500ml sizes.
I don't trust flip top lids so I choose a screw top lid for my fuel bottles.
vape juice bottles are my go too
I looked at those, almost got some....they are quite small, 100ml ish, and I heard that some can crack when flexed? Otherwise they look perfect.
@@harduphiker amazon do them up to 500ml i use a 300ml htp plastic and a nice pouring spout
I'll stick with my trangia fuel bottle and I will have worries
I am sure they are great. £20 tho.... o.O Why is Trangia stuff so expensive?
I wrap one strip of Red electrical tape around ALL my fuel bottles. I’m the same as you I’m always searching for good bottles. Isopropyl alcohol bottles are great, some old cold medicine bottles, small mouthwash bottles. Hard to find good heavy duty bottles & l don’t like safety caps. I’ve had some old fuel bottles get brittle & crack. I keep my fuel bottles in a outside pocket of my pack away from everything in case they leak. The best fuel in Canada is Methyl Hydrate & very poisonous ☠️ so I don’t want it all over my cook kit if something happens.
Same, I keep a small bottle inside my pot as that is fairly leak proof and upright... But the other bottles stay on the outside.
@#theharduphiker don't want to seem as I am promoting anything but I get the best fuel bottles from "outdoor gear essentials" they are made for fuel, they do different sizes for different trips , and are as cheap if not cheaper than those bottles.. olso you don't have to clean them out before use... take care out there. Sorry !!!! I liked the video by the way . Like your humour.. have subscribed.
Yes I know OGE, they have some good stuff, I almost bought their alcohol stoves, but Speedster had the simmer ring. And welcome!
@@harduphiker I do intend to get an x-boil stove, even though i dont need another stove. I found the x-boil fits the simmer ring from my chinese trangia rip off... so it probably is the same for my original trangia.. I have to keep myself in check when it comes to kit,, I would just spend every spare penny on kit... though i should be saving those spare penny's for surprise bills or the million other reasons we need spare cash... thanks for the welcome. Take care out there
I recall some guy on RUclips recommending pva glue bottles. Reckon that's the go.
BTW, anyone suggesting aluminium water bottles, don't.
Alcohol seems to just eat aluminium.
Oh I didn't know that about alcohol and aluminium - oops.
We used to use siggs. Aren't they aluminium?
Yep, fair enough. I assume you mean sigg fuel bottles not water bottles. As they are intended for fuel I expect them to be coated or possibly anodised inside.
I'm just speaking from personal experience, I have had raw aluminium "pinholed" from alcohol. However, I did a bit of reading on the subject, and there seems to be a lot of variables, such as temperature (we get a lot in Australia) and water content of the alcohol.
Anyway I do like aluminium for petroleum based fuel. Also, my problem may have occurred by storing alcohol in raw aluminium rather than temporarily using for hiking &c. I found this video while looking for ideas for saving money, repurposing discarded items.
Just wanted to pass on my experience. As your question has reminded me about this topic, I've just emptied a tomato sauce bottle, one of those with a pointy twist top. I'm going to try that, it should eliminate the need for a funnel, and it's bright red too.
@@carlfairhurst9606 Trangias come into contact with a lot of alcohol and they don't seem to get pitted. Some of them are still going strong from the 70s. Like all alu gear they don't like excessive direct heat though. I have managed to melt a Trangia windshield with a cheap no name gas burner....ooops.
Yeah, there was a time when sigg bottles were used almost exclusively for fuel The same days where we didn't have the need to drink water every few minutes and a fleece jacket was an oddity.
Use 80% alcohol hand gel- fuel and hand gel in one. 50ml perfect to boil 500ML water.
Does that burn fine? I'd also be worried about the fumes from the other stuff...also that sounds a lot like fuel gel, which can be messy, like Esbit/Solid fuel - gunk on your pots!
@@harduphiker tested x4 different commercial gel ethanols recently alongside 80% hand gel. (WHO approved formula- no fragrances or moisturisers) best heat- 2nd longest burn time, least soot- all tested 500ml boil on trangia micro. Also cheapest 50ml- 40p
@@jaydunc2k1 very cool, will try that at some point, I have a load of old hand gel from the lockdown!
@@harduphiker trangia gel burners are a rip off, shoe polish tin or old tuna can ;)
@@jaydunc2k1 I suspect I could just use the top of my Speedster stove, I have one where I nuked the inner silicon seal, so could be used for that.
Maybe a Elmers glue bottle
Good call. PVA bottles usually have a spout, and I have some of those...
I’m a crafter and carry alcohol in my kit. I have also gone on a bottle search and I like the Elmer’s white glue bottle. Only Elmer’s! The knockoff glue bottles leak. I’m carrying Everclear and haven’t had a leak. And they come in a variety of sizes. Since I use the glue it was simple to get the bottles. You can also ask your friends with kids for the bottles
@@mary-ruthflores4107 ooh I will check those....Elmers is harder to get here but is available. Sadly Everclear is not available at all; UK duty and rules, You can get some Polish import refined spirit at 90+% proof via mail order, but it's like £20-30 a bottle!
@@harduphiker wow, that’s pricey! The Everclear I buy in the tiny single serve bottles since I use drops at a time. So I use the smallest Elmer’s bottle. I’ve taken the water out of isopropyl alcohol with salt, I’ll have to try salt on the cheap gin I also use in my crafting. I use the larger glue bottle for it
el cheapo .... LOL !
El cheapo is the way to go, it's all about saving those coins! LOL
@@harduphiker
too bad.... but i can afford it
@@NatureBoy711 good for you. Not sure bragging about how much money you have is a good look, but you do you I guess. Not everyone can afford £20 on a fuel bottle.
@@harduphiker
now aint that a bitch....
@@harduphiker
its called investment