I am a typical home owner/diyer. My son is a certified plumber. It wasn't until i asked him to do a few projects for me that i realized how much extra knowledge and skill goes into GOOD plumbing. Lol
Yeah I thought the same, I'm an HVAC guy and when we were on job sites us and most other tradesmen working on the house would have seen this and recognized it was terrible or that it would cause their install to be more difficult and therefore would get reported to the contractor. They've let him collect multiple draws on the job I'm sure so it's even more costly. Those houses are a nightmare.
Sadly there are A LOT of fake plumbers out there. They figure they can't die from a mistake like if they pretended to be an electrician, and plumbing is just screwing pipes together so surely any idiot can do it, right? And then you get work like this. It should be less common on a new build where there are other tradesmen to see it but if it's a homeowner who needs work done there's nobody to call them out until the damage is done.
The contractor is ultimately responsible to ensure all work is done correctly, and if he subs is out he is responsible for the work he contracted to get done. This is because the home owner contracted with the contractor to do the work to code so it is up to the contractor to ensure that it is.
This would be on the previous contractor. Hopefully he was bonded and you can take those extra costs from his contractor insurance. If not, the homeowner can sue him for the added cost for the rework. Hopefully the homeowner hasn't made a final payment.
@@RogerWakefieldNot necessarily. Some plumbers, even ones well out of their apprenticeship period, have been documented even for relatives and their own parents doing things the wrong way.
It kills me because with as much as I've yet to learn, as someone who's been in the trade for 21 months, I 100% know I could do a better job. I'm sure I'd miss some things which might make for some small fixes, but things like shower heights and running lines I know enough of to get most of the way there. And that's with nearly 1 year of those 21 months being spent on finishing since our company lacks finishers and we do high end homes only so my journeyman's really advocating for me to get finishing strongly under my belt so I can be a finisher. That tub for example. Why not just angle the 90 on a 45 or 22, 45 or 22 down, and if it needs to kick back in toward the tee do 2 22's or 45's to offset it in line with the tee? It's simple, doesn't require a PHD in math to calculate the angles this guy did, and for the love of god hopefully solves having the pipe coloured blue with primer.
The plumber is obviously at fault here. But if the homeowner hired a contractor then it is on the contractor to pay for a new (real) plumber and everything that entails. The contractor can (and most likely will) go after this "plumber" on the back end.
Man that is sickening to think that someone would do that. Im glad you found the guy and I'm at a loss for words on that whole situation. I hope the home owner gets some kind of closure on it. Keep on rocking Roger, there's always something to learn from your channel thanks for sharing.
that is horrible!!!!!!!!! i have been plumbing for 20 years. I just started a business this year and see alot of that type of work i get called in to fix
The end of the video where your explaining how you would approach really highlights the fact you know your stuff ...it's like a second language to you...great video Rog
In my lifetime experience, about half the plumbers that did work for me were horrible. I'm an RN and I've asked a few plumbers and contractors if they wanted me to do the same quality of work on their child as they did for me. Their embarrassed face says it all.
You get what you pay for you find a cheap plumber you get cheap work you should've take a few estimates and never choose the lowest price they use the cheapest materials and usually have the least experienced workers
Might be the reason why he is not an apprentice anymore. Kept on doing things the wrong way and the guy teaching him finally got exasperated with him and gave him the boot.
Ugh I wish I couldn't relate. And they don't realise the overwhelm and mountain of added cost they cause. Not to mention sometimes people tell you they can't fix or work on somebody else's work. So you have to start over. 🙏🙏🙏 So glad you're helping her out.
"There are two ways to pay for something. One is with money, and the other is with quality; and I certainly prefer paying with the former than the latter." -attributed to Benjamin Franklin
I'm not a licensed plumber...nope but I am a licensed mechanic with a bit of a brain, during a house reno (permitted) up here in BC Canada I roughed in and finished plumbed a new bathroom (toilet, shower, sink). I did some basic research on local code and did it, it had to be inspected because permit and the work passed. copper supply and PVC drain with the right fittings and slopes used as well as appropriate venting and pipe securements. It's not that difficult to get things right if you bother to do some basic research. My work would make whoever did this work look foolish.
Really fun thing about PEX is the giant skill gap you can notice in its application... Gotta love those totally unsupported tub and shower pan... Im surprised the loon used as much insulation as he did.
This is exactly why I don't mess with system plumbing. I've changed out faucets, and replaced the wax toilet seal with the waxless Fluidmaster one, but that's where I draw the line. We called a local contracting company, and they did such an incredible job with our water heater, and washer supply lines, I feel confident in them being the only plumbers we need. Not only did they do a really good job explaining every detail of the job, they also brought that part of it up to current code for free. They only charged us for the actual installation, and plumbing for the water heater. Unfortunately the rest of the house is a testament to what I call "the dark side of DIY." The DIY'er in question took shortcuts in almost everything he did. Imagine doing a full addon to your house, not really knowing what you're doing, and refusing to pull permits, and getting inspectors to oversee the work as it's being done.
Even someone with no plumbing knowledge would recognize something is wrong when they see how sloppy the work is. I saw a fake contractor do something similar. They were even proud enough of their "work" to post it on Instagram!
I REMEMBER YEARS AGO my uncle wanted to do an update to his house. It was over 100 years old. He started doing most of the work himself, ripping out walls, wires, pipes, etc. He hired a General Contractor he went to high school with to act as his advocate and then my uncle would find an independent Plumber to come over and go over the work. My uncle would tell the Plumber what he was looking to do, basically all new updated piping, etc, then tell them before any work starts, he needs to meet with the GC. GC and the Plumber would make an appt together to come by. GC's first question was, "What is your plan?". He said a typical plumber would start naming types and sizes of pipe and how they were going to run it and where. Nope! First plumber had no idea what to say or where to start. FIRED! Second Plumber got an attitude they had to answer to and need "permission" and have oversight from a GC and walked off. Third Plumber got angry when he asked the GC what he thought and the GC said, "No, you are the Plumber. You tell me what you are going to do and I will approve it. That is how this works". That guy also walks off. So... seven Plumbers later, the GC hired his own Master Plumber he has worked with in the past, pulled the permits, and got it down right. It is absolutely amazing, he said, that in the Plumbing Industry how, even experienced Plumbers want to cut corners and use cheap materials for profits. Telling the home owner they are using only quality materials and charging the premium only to use the cheapest stuff they can use. Hence, why they did not want the oversight because they know the GC would have shut them down. The moral of this story is, hire a GC, if you can afford it, and then hire your own Plumber and have the GC oversee the work. No one is protecting your best interests if you just trust a Plumber nowadays unfortunately.
That was a complete butcher job. What I liked the most about this video was that Roger not only pointed out what was wrong but gave information on how to correct the problems.
As a GC, I'm appalled that the GC on this remod let it go that far. To all aspiring GC's for electrical, plumbing, and HVAC, understand codes ingeneral and certainly those specific to your jurisdiction. Stay on top of the subs. Get out of your pickup and make a punch list every day.
Went to a home last week that had so much wrong. It was only 4-5 years old. Homeowners son overheard the “plumber” telling the builder that he wasn’t a plumber but he worked with one for a few weeks 😅
1/2” pex ran for the entire home. Accordion drains beneath the sinks, plastic poly compression stops, ran a single 1/2” line to the back to back bathrooms and put tees off that for the two sinks, toilets, and shower/tubs 😅
I am a DIY guy that does most of my own plumbing. I always make sure things are clean and straight. Even it things in this house aren't required to be symmetrical by code it should be a clean install and something you are proud to look at.
I have been a plumber since 1997 and I can attest that any plumber that says he knows all the codes is a liar, but these are some of the basic ones that every third year apprentice should know. Any good plumber will also have a code book handy to check if unsure.
This makes me want to go get my apprenticeship and work to be a good plumber just so I can know people could have someone to call in case of these emergencies, or to have it done right. I hate seeing people get scammed.
Thanks for the vid bro👍. Been a plumber here in australia for 45 years. Licenced plumber drainer gasfitter. We have “handymen” here that are licenced in NOTHING doing plumbing electrical building etc and of course it’s illegal they’re doing it but mostly they get away with it. Some home owners don’t know but many go for CHEAP!
there is no plumber . contract is between the owner and the GC and GC picks up the tab and makes the job good. the owner needs to demand a licenced master or journyman plumber on site when plumbing work is performed. Contractor failed hiring this guy in first place
My current boss (multi trade contract based company) thinks that after my school (I went to school for my first year since he didn't have any plumbing contracts for me and just to help orientate myself in the field). For a yr 1 course he thought they were going to teach me everything I need to know. He's a sparky and like I said contract based company so no permanent plumbing JM. He's been asking me questions as if I should know the codes and the like. I told him school taught me things yesterday. However I need a JM to teach me and give me guidance. The school only does so much as a first yr with no field work or experience in plumbing. (I've done my own simple enough house stuff just nothing commercial). I am going to the exit door soon cause 1 yr and still the B's no jm to work under other than him which isn't even in my trade to teach me and no plumbing jobs.
I’m no plumber but even I could have done way better than what I saw here. Last time I ended up working on some pipes it was in a family member’s house because I started off with fixing a leak in the shower. It then became a task of replacing the valve that had failed. After starting that project we find ourselves needing to replace rusted pipes. After about six hours and four trips to hardware store we finally fixed the leak in the shower. 😂
@@RogerWakefield Went to replace the shower mixer, realized the water pipes were placed DIAGONALLY and most of them were just a rust-rich tunnel in the wall.
I've been a licensed electrician for 25 years, and this reminds me a lot of the complete catastrophes that DIYers make when they try to do electrical work. Some things are better left to professionals. Clearly your trade is one of them.
This is why you always read the agreement from a Tradesman before work is performed, specifically the payment clause. I either expect to pay after work has passed a final inspection and permit is closed, or a clause stating that the company is liable for any and all reasonable repairs and rework related to the scope of work to pass final. I fully expect to pay for any extra parts and labor needed for a job done right, but I'm sure as hell not paying for them to fix what they did wrong.
I'm gonna charge who called me to fix it.... It is up to ever called the "so called plumber" to call for references before highering someone to do work not just go by the price.... The ol ' saying you get what you paid for..
As a DIY'er who did all his own trades in the house we just built, videos like these make me feel really good. Do you think you could go into an in depth look at wet vents and common wet vent scenarios? I feel like the code and most of the information and diagrams aren't entirely clear, or very variable.
At the end of the day the homeowner is paying a general contractor to do the job. It's up to the contractor to ensure all the people he brings onto the job site are licensed/insured/etc.. The general contractor should have been on site to over see this &hit show and put an end to it as this guy clearly doesn't know his arse from a toilet hole.
I went to a site like this, told the owner they needed a licensed plumber. Came back a few days later and guys were trying to use a vertical drain line from story above as a vent
I love seeing shark bites in Plumbing!!!! They are amazing!! I get to come back later and make money removing them and installing things like a real plumber. A shark bite on a shower head is gonna leak every time. The only place for a shark bite is to connect a CPVC plumbing repair when the customer does not want to wait the 12+ hour cure time
Thanks , Roger !! That was horrendous !! I think the Contractor should be held responsible and be made to pay for repairs. NOT the innocent homeowner. I hope that the homeowner won't be stuck holding the bag.
I bet you could get a random person to figure out how to plumb better than that guy. Ask them how would they approach the house's needs, tell them what they did wrong with their approach, and they would likely figure out the correct answer. Don't scold them and they'll likely be inspired to become plumbers if they're trapped in dead end retail jobs.
How is it getting inspected without a permit? You can’t pull a permit without a master plumbers license tied to a bonded, insured company anywhere I’ve worked. Is Texas that loose?
What's wrong with the lav? It's an s trap but it's vented out of the 3 or 4 inch going out the roof? Elaborate on that please because to me that's vented properly in my head.
I didn't watch all the video so maybe he explains this but If the 3" going up is truly a vent then the fitting there would need to be a san-tee, not a wye. Looks like too much pitch on the trap arm also.
The general contractor is responsible if they hired the guy, licensed plumber if they did. In other words, whoever the next licensed entity up the chain who was responsible for the guy being on the site to start with.
I think one if the issues is when a plumber goes independant too soon they realize doing it right takes too long at their experience level and they will make less money. So they rush to get the same $/hr they were getting as an employee to a more experienced plumber.
I had a similar situation at my moms, she hired two different handy man. The first one butchered the plumbing i came in tore out and fixed all the bullshit he did. The second handymen did the lav sink they didnt do the greatest but its acceptable i guess. But she had a kohler shower with diverter. Unbelievable how bad the first guy would have fucked it up. Luckily i stop his ass.
I'm the sort of homeowner who would drop by the site every so often during the initial stages and then back off once I know I can really trust the people working to do their job. The point is to catch disasters like this early. I mean I know little about plumbing but one look at what you showed us would have made me annoyed and immediately demanding the one in charge pull that plumber from the site. (I also bring a few containers of iced coffee in a cool box when I come by for my early inspections and leave them for the lads working, just so I am not a TOTAL annoyance when I show up)
I worked for a Licensed master plumber in TX who would always throw pex in hella sloppy in walls. "its going in a wall it doesnt matter what it looks like" yea it does. A) the homeowner will appreciate a cleaner job. B) Idc if you have a masters, you're going to be called a hack or lazy or both by the next guy who opens up that wall.
Pay cheap, pay twice...As a general contractor in the philly area, I won't lie and say I haven't cowboyed some jobs but, not in a couple decades...I've been pulling permits for every job, Here you need a master plumber, master electrician, certified HVAC, Certified Roofer ALL of them must turn in their up to date Master's license, insurance, Workmen's comp, a copy of the contract, before I can pull a permit...They take the whole thing as a package before they issue any permits...I love having masters do my work, it cost a little more, but I still make money on it...and the work passes inspections EVERY time...
You get your lawyer to sue everyone to recoup costs, the "apprentice" for doing a shit job, the subcontractor for hiring an un licensed plumber, the contractor who hired a subcotractor that hired an unlicenced plumber
And I have to say if the contractor didn't notice this bologna, He should have his license pulled also. Definitely is not qualified to be a contractor. Ultimately it's up to the homeowner to check on licensing. Never take anybody's word for anything. WOW
The contractor should be the one held accountable because they didn't do their due diligence (or were malicious). Then the original contractor / outfit can waste the time to reclaim losses from the sub par work. In no world should the homeowner be saddled with chasing down a crackhead when the homeowner paid a GC or plumbing outfit.
The funny part is neither the homeowner or the contractor checked to see if the plumber had a license, I give everybody my business card with my journeyman license number right on it, And my ccb number, And my plumbing business contracting number, Heck you might as well leave your door unlocked all night long and pretend there's no such thing as criminals,
As a plumber of 30 + years I was horrified at what I was being shown , your being to nice . That’s the shoddiest work I’ve ever seen to be honest . That person should be sued and told never to touch any plumbing ever again ! That’s the type of job I would have to rip out and replumb all over again.
23 year plumber here. Been licensed about half that in Kentucky. That's probably the worst residential remodel job I've ever seen. Rip it out and start over from scratch. And I do mean 100% of it.
Wow. So many projects started at once, that would do my head in. And that bath is really low, are they all like that in the u.s.? I really like watching how you do your plumbing over there compared to here in the u.k. I'd hate to think what it would look like if the guy did it in 15mm copper. Sorry 1/2" 😊 great videos Roger.
I think we are a bit behind the times with techniques and tools sometimes. But the end result is still the same I suppose. Keep up the good work Roger.
The contractor is at fault for two reasons: 1) there is a contract between the contractor and the home owner; 2) the contractor has the responsibility of vetting their employees or any subcontractors that they use.
I'm a fake plumber and what I see scares me that someone that has apprentice training, yet can't do a competent job of it. Should go after the contractors bond for failure of service.
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I am a typical home owner/diyer. My son is a certified plumber. It wasn't until i asked him to do a few projects for me that i realized how much extra knowledge and skill goes into GOOD plumbing. Lol
Greetings Roger
I cannot believe it was allowed to get that far.
I am an electrician and I am appalled at this dumpster fire.
Yeah I thought the same, I'm an HVAC guy and when we were on job sites us and most other tradesmen working on the house would have seen this and recognized it was terrible or that it would cause their install to be more difficult and therefore would get reported to the contractor. They've let him collect multiple draws on the job I'm sure so it's even more costly. Those houses are a nightmare.
Sadly there are A LOT of fake plumbers out there. They figure they can't die from a mistake like if they pretended to be an electrician, and plumbing is just screwing pipes together so surely any idiot can do it, right? And then you get work like this. It should be less common on a new build where there are other tradesmen to see it but if it's a homeowner who needs work done there's nobody to call them out until the damage is done.
@JohnJKelly-of4dcLMAO
@@ev6558plumbing is not just screwing
The contractor is ultimately responsible to ensure all work is done correctly, and if he subs is out he is responsible for the work he contracted to get done. This is because the home owner contracted with the contractor to do the work to code so it is up to the contractor to ensure that it is.
This would be on the previous contractor. Hopefully he was bonded and you can take those extra costs from his contractor insurance. If not, the homeowner can sue him for the added cost for the rework. Hopefully the homeowner hasn't made a final payment.
as a licensed apprentice. we do not accept this guy as one of us.
I always tell people, treat every customer like it was your mothers or your grandmothers house…you’ll always do it the right way
@@RogerWakefieldNot necessarily. Some plumbers, even ones well out of their apprenticeship period, have been documented even for relatives and their own parents doing things the wrong way.
An a unlicensed regular person, we don't accept him either lol
Thats not very progressive
It kills me because with as much as I've yet to learn, as someone who's been in the trade for 21 months, I 100% know I could do a better job. I'm sure I'd miss some things which might make for some small fixes, but things like shower heights and running lines I know enough of to get most of the way there. And that's with nearly 1 year of those 21 months being spent on finishing since our company lacks finishers and we do high end homes only so my journeyman's really advocating for me to get finishing strongly under my belt so I can be a finisher.
That tub for example. Why not just angle the 90 on a 45 or 22, 45 or 22 down, and if it needs to kick back in toward the tee do 2 22's or 45's to offset it in line with the tee? It's simple, doesn't require a PHD in math to calculate the angles this guy did, and for the love of god hopefully solves having the pipe coloured blue with primer.
The plumber is obviously at fault here. But if the homeowner hired a contractor then it is on the contractor to pay for a new (real) plumber and everything that entails. The contractor can (and most likely will) go after this "plumber" on the back end.
Man that is sickening to think that someone would do that. Im glad you found the guy and I'm at a loss for words on that whole situation. I hope the home owner gets some kind of closure on it. Keep on rocking Roger, there's always something to learn from your channel thanks for sharing.
that is horrible!!!!!!!!! i have been plumbing for 20 years. I just started a business this year and see alot of that type of work i get called in to fix
The end of the video where your explaining how you would approach really highlights the fact you know your stuff ...it's like a second language to you...great video Rog
I appreciate that! Just trying to fix and make right what this “plumber” clearly did not know how to do.
I was confused though i thought he said throw a san Tee in the vent but then was saying 3x2 wye...help me understand please
I’m a 4th year apprentice for plumbing and I’m absolutely mind blown on how it got this bad
As a plumber who works for a company extremely strict with quality and code this was sooo painful to watch
If I was a plumber and I saw that mess I would replumb the whole house
Wow i feel bad for that homeowner. Whoever it is learned something from it.
In my lifetime experience, about half the plumbers that did work for me were horrible.
I'm an RN and I've asked a few plumbers and contractors if they wanted me to do the same quality of work on their child as they did for me. Their embarrassed face says it all.
Gregs a male nurse
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You get what you pay for you find a cheap plumber you get cheap work you should've take a few estimates and never choose the lowest price they use the cheapest materials and usually have the least experienced workers
@@kolbesmith1175 Did I say I got the lowest bid? No. Thank you for assuming.
Please feel free to try again.
@Absaalookemensch well you can't seem to find a decent plumber which isn't hard so you obviously aren't doing something.....
This “plumber” and whoever hired him is in some deep sh*t. Easy lawsuit.
Good money after bad...Lawyers CHARGE MONEY to file law suits...it's NEVER contingent...
Maybe easy to win, but probably difficult to collect.
You can't get blood from a stone.
@@johnanderson9494 thankfully this scam artist is made of flesh,
I'm a 4th year apprentice in my local 68 . And I've gotta say that home owner got screwed. Wow this guy does not know what the hell he is doing
Might be the reason why he is not an apprentice anymore. Kept on doing things the wrong way and the guy teaching him finally got exasperated with him and gave him the boot.
Do your best and caulk the rest😉
You don't have to be union to know this is fukd.
Why? 2 years 4,000 hours gets you a tradesmen. I’m assuming you have to wait for a journeyman to work in the union?
Ugh I wish I couldn't relate. And they don't realise the overwhelm and mountain of added cost they cause. Not to mention sometimes people tell you they can't fix or work on somebody else's work. So you have to start over. 🙏🙏🙏 So glad you're helping her out.
theres really not much to save and reuse there. Best to remove and replace properly.
That house is a homeowner special for sure.
That’s messed up… Some people have no integrity.
Being a tradesman is one of the most prideful professions you can have…this guy clearly had 0 pride for his work…very sad
@@RogerWakefield Ain’t that the truth! Thanks for the great content!💪🏽
I appreciate the teaching at the end. Good wholesome extra 2 minutes.
Glad you enjoyed it!
As a DIY handyman. This is crazy. He didn’t even try and do any research on codes or anything.
"There are two ways to pay for something. One is with money, and the other is with quality; and I certainly prefer paying with the former than the latter." -attributed to Benjamin Franklin
I'm not a licensed plumber...nope but I am a licensed mechanic with a bit of a brain, during a house reno (permitted) up here in BC Canada I roughed in and finished plumbed a new bathroom (toilet, shower, sink). I did some basic research on local code and did it, it had to be inspected because permit and the work passed. copper supply and PVC drain with the right fittings and slopes used as well as appropriate venting and pipe securements. It's not that difficult to get things right if you bother to do some basic research. My work would make whoever did this work look foolish.
Really fun thing about PEX is the giant skill gap you can notice in its application...
Gotta love those totally unsupported tub and shower pan...
Im surprised the loon used as much insulation as he did.
I'm not even a plumber and I can do a better job than that.
Fr tho
This is exactly why I don't mess with system plumbing. I've changed out faucets, and replaced the wax toilet seal with the waxless Fluidmaster one, but that's where I draw the line. We called a local contracting company, and they did such an incredible job with our water heater, and washer supply lines, I feel confident in them being the only plumbers we need. Not only did they do a really good job explaining every detail of the job, they also brought that part of it up to current code for free. They only charged us for the actual installation, and plumbing for the water heater.
Unfortunately the rest of the house is a testament to what I call "the dark side of DIY." The DIY'er in question took shortcuts in almost everything he did. Imagine doing a full addon to your house, not really knowing what you're doing, and refusing to pull permits, and getting inspectors to oversee the work as it's being done.
plumbing is the most braindead easy thing man, just because others shortcut it doesn't mean you have to if you DIY it.
Water heaters are easy
Even someone with no plumbing knowledge would recognize something is wrong when they see how sloppy the work is. I saw a fake contractor do something similar. They were even proud enough of their "work" to post it on Instagram!
I REMEMBER YEARS AGO my uncle wanted to do an update to his house. It was over 100 years old. He started doing most of the work himself, ripping out walls, wires, pipes, etc. He hired a General Contractor he went to high school with to act as his advocate and then my uncle would find an independent Plumber to come over and go over the work. My uncle would tell the Plumber what he was looking to do, basically all new updated piping, etc, then tell them before any work starts, he needs to meet with the GC. GC and the Plumber would make an appt together to come by. GC's first question was, "What is your plan?". He said a typical plumber would start naming types and sizes of pipe and how they were going to run it and where. Nope! First plumber had no idea what to say or where to start. FIRED! Second Plumber got an attitude they had to answer to and need "permission" and have oversight from a GC and walked off. Third Plumber got angry when he asked the GC what he thought and the GC said, "No, you are the Plumber. You tell me what you are going to do and I will approve it. That is how this works". That guy also walks off. So... seven Plumbers later, the GC hired his own Master Plumber he has worked with in the past, pulled the permits, and got it down right. It is absolutely amazing, he said, that in the Plumbing Industry how, even experienced Plumbers want to cut corners and use cheap materials for profits. Telling the home owner they are using only quality materials and charging the premium only to use the cheapest stuff they can use. Hence, why they did not want the oversight because they know the GC would have shut them down. The moral of this story is, hire a GC, if you can afford it, and then hire your own Plumber and have the GC oversee the work. No one is protecting your best interests if you just trust a Plumber nowadays unfortunately.
That was a complete butcher job. What I liked the most about this video was that Roger not only pointed out what was wrong but gave information on how to correct the problems.
This is A prime example of why homeowners should be able to be at least informed enough to know what decent work looks like…. But that’s my opinion.
As a GC, I'm appalled that the GC on this remod let it go that far. To all aspiring GC's for electrical, plumbing, and HVAC, understand codes ingeneral and certainly those specific to your jurisdiction. Stay on top of the subs. Get out of your pickup and make a punch list every day.
^^^ this is the answer!!!
Went to a home last week that had so much wrong. It was only 4-5 years old. Homeowners son overheard the “plumber” telling the builder that he wasn’t a plumber but he worked with one for a few weeks 😅
1/2” pex ran for the entire home. Accordion drains beneath the sinks, plastic poly compression stops, ran a single 1/2” line to the back to back bathrooms and put tees off that for the two sinks, toilets, and shower/tubs 😅
"nothing in code says it HAS to be straight..." Love that lmao 🤣
I am a DIY guy that does most of my own plumbing. I always make sure things are clean and straight. Even it things in this house aren't required to be symmetrical by code it should be a clean install and something you are proud to look at.
The homeowner is at fault and should pay. Not because I'm an asshole (which I am) but because she should have vetted her workers
I have been a plumber since 1997 and I can attest that any plumber that says he knows all the codes is a liar, but these are some of the basic ones that every third year apprentice should know. Any good plumber will also have a code book handy to check if unsure.
This makes me want to go get my apprenticeship and work to be a good plumber just so I can know people could have someone to call in case of these emergencies, or to have it done right. I hate seeing people get scammed.
I'm right there with you...
Thanks for the vid bro👍. Been a plumber here in australia for 45 years. Licenced plumber drainer gasfitter. We have “handymen” here that are licenced in NOTHING doing plumbing electrical building etc and of course it’s illegal they’re doing it but mostly they get away with it. Some home owners don’t know but many go for CHEAP!
The vents close enough! Lol!
I think the contractor and the plumber is responsible
there is no plumber . contract is between the owner and the GC and GC picks up the tab and makes the job good. the owner needs to demand a licenced master or journyman plumber on site when plumbing work is performed. Contractor failed hiring this guy in first place
That's methed up😂
Always good to watch your videos Roger, retired from the industry now in the UK but still love watching the bodges
My current boss (multi trade contract based company) thinks that after my school (I went to school for my first year since he didn't have any plumbing contracts for me and just to help orientate myself in the field). For a yr 1 course he thought they were going to teach me everything I need to know. He's a sparky and like I said contract based company so no permanent plumbing JM. He's been asking me questions as if I should know the codes and the like. I told him school taught me things yesterday. However I need a JM to teach me and give me guidance. The school only does so much as a first yr with no field work or experience in plumbing. (I've done my own simple enough house stuff just nothing commercial).
I am going to the exit door soon cause 1 yr and still the B's no jm to work under other than him which isn't even in my trade to teach me and no plumbing jobs.
I think this was a great, high quality install. 👌
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I’m no plumber but even I could have done way better than what I saw here. Last time I ended up working on some pipes it was in a family member’s house because I started off with fixing a leak in the shower. It then became a task of replacing the valve that had failed. After starting that project we find ourselves needing to replace rusted pipes. After about six hours and four trips to hardware store we finally fixed the leak in the shower. 😂
I get it🤣 the more you dig into the project the more work you find
Same thing happened to me. Tried to fix 1 thing and found more while doing it😂
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Went to replace the shower mixer, realized the water pipes were placed DIAGONALLY and most of them were just a rust-rich tunnel in the wall.
I'm not a licensed plumber 😂 but there's no excuse for that 😂
Literally 0 excuses, are you in a trade?
I've been a licensed electrician for 25 years, and this reminds me a lot of the complete catastrophes that DIYers make when they try to do electrical work. Some things are better left to professionals. Clearly your trade is one of them.
You're right! This is why we call it 'fake' plumbing. 🤣
Found the “plumber” that built every rental apartment I’ve ever lived in.
That plumbing job was a horror show if I've ever seen one. Wow.
This is why you always read the agreement from a Tradesman before work is performed, specifically the payment clause. I either expect to pay after work has passed a final inspection and permit is closed, or a clause stating that the company is liable for any and all reasonable repairs and rework related to the scope of work to pass final.
I fully expect to pay for any extra parts and labor needed for a job done right, but I'm sure as hell not paying for them to fix what they did wrong.
I thought the duct tape was a nice touch.
I'm gonna charge who called me to fix it.... It is up to ever called the "so called plumber" to call for references before highering someone to do work not just go by the price.... The ol ' saying you get what you paid for..
It’s the excess pipe and fittings just laying around for me
Who were you explaining how to do it correctly to at the end?
As always . You get what you pay for. You want cheap you get cheap.
I still don't understand why in the IPC it says Showerhead stub outs should be at 72 inches.
I've seen fake homeowners trash homes as well.
As a DIY'er who did all his own trades in the house we just built, videos like these make me feel really good.
Do you think you could go into an in depth look at wet vents and common wet vent scenarios? I feel like the code and most of the information and diagrams aren't entirely clear, or very variable.
You know its bad when the duct tape and the different types of fittings and primers all go unmentioned lol
“Looks great from my house”
-that guy
I see you know your plumbing inspector.keep up the excellent job you're doing,
Contractor. So sad. Muricaa!!😂😂
send the bill too the "Plumber" that did the bad work
Sounds like the homeowner should sue everyone involved and let them fight it out in court.
I've come across scenes like this a time or two. I would have some woman call and say, we need some plumbing help, "my husband worked on it first. "
At the end of the day the homeowner is paying a general contractor to do the job. It's up to the contractor to ensure all the people he brings onto the job site are licensed/insured/etc.. The general contractor should have been on site to over see this &hit show and put an end to it as this guy clearly doesn't know his arse from a toilet hole.
I went to a site like this, told the owner they needed a licensed plumber. Came back a few days later and guys were trying to use a vertical drain line from story above as a vent
I love seeing shark bites in Plumbing!!!! They are amazing!! I get to come back later and make money removing them and installing things like a real plumber. A shark bite on a shower head is gonna leak every time. The only place for a shark bite is to connect a CPVC plumbing repair when the customer does not want to wait the 12+ hour cure time
Dude!!! That makes my eye twitch!
Thanks , Roger !! That was horrendous !! I think the Contractor should be held responsible and be made to pay for repairs. NOT the innocent homeowner. I hope that the homeowner won't be stuck holding the bag.
That guy did really bad work
Well he did a good job on nail plates😂😂
I bet you could get a random person to figure out how to plumb better than that guy. Ask them how would they approach the house's needs, tell them what they did wrong with their approach, and they would likely figure out the correct answer. Don't scold them and they'll likely be inspired to become plumbers if they're trapped in dead end retail jobs.
Roger and twins are my best plumber's 🥰
How is it getting inspected without a permit? You can’t pull a permit without a master plumbers license tied to a bonded, insured company anywhere I’ve worked. Is Texas that loose?
What's wrong with the lav? It's an s trap but it's vented out of the 3 or 4 inch going out the roof? Elaborate on that please because to me that's vented properly in my head.
I didn't watch all the video so maybe he explains this but If the 3" going up is truly a vent then the fitting there would need to be a san-tee, not a wye. Looks like too much pitch on the trap arm also.
Yes, I explain it at the very end
It can only be a sanity tee in that set up. No if ands or buts about it.
Your criticism of the showers reminds me of every hotel shower I have ever used.
The general contractor is responsible if they hired the guy, licensed plumber if they did. In other words, whoever the next licensed entity up the chain who was responsible for the guy being on the site to start with.
I think one if the issues is when a plumber goes independant too soon they realize doing it right takes too long at their experience level and they will make less money. So they rush to get the same $/hr they were getting as an employee to a more experienced plumber.
I had a similar situation at my moms, she hired two different handy man. The first one butchered the plumbing i came in tore out and fixed all the bullshit he did. The second handymen did the lav sink they didnt do the greatest but its acceptable i guess. But she had a kohler shower with diverter. Unbelievable how bad the first guy would have fucked it up. Luckily i stop his ass.
That whole job is a complete shame,looks like he was moonlighting on a cloudy night.
Terrible!
I'm the sort of homeowner who would drop by the site every so often during the initial stages and then back off once I know I can really trust the people working to do their job. The point is to catch disasters like this early. I mean I know little about plumbing but one look at what you showed us would have made me annoyed and immediately demanding the one in charge pull that plumber from the site.
(I also bring a few containers of iced coffee in a cool box when I come by for my early inspections and leave them for the lads working, just so I am not a TOTAL annoyance when I show up)
I worked for a Licensed master plumber in TX who would always throw pex in hella sloppy in walls. "its going in a wall it doesnt matter what it looks like" yea it does.
A) the homeowner will appreciate a cleaner job.
B) Idc if you have a masters, you're going to be called a hack or lazy or both by the next guy who opens up that wall.
I'm not even a plumber and I know a wye and street 45 shouldn't be standing up like that!
The supposedly plumber, because that's a complete mess 😅
3:09 Rodger says there's nothing wrong with this.
I don't see a place for conversation to collect. Maybe is off camera. 🤔
Pay cheap, pay twice...As a general contractor in the philly area, I won't lie and say I haven't cowboyed some jobs but, not in a couple decades...I've been pulling permits for every job, Here you need a master plumber, master electrician, certified HVAC, Certified Roofer ALL of them must turn in their up to date Master's license, insurance, Workmen's comp, a copy of the contract, before I can pull a permit...They take the whole thing as a package before they issue any permits...I love having masters do my work, it cost a little more, but I still make money on it...and the work passes inspections EVERY time...
You get your lawyer to sue everyone to recoup costs, the "apprentice" for doing a shit job, the subcontractor for hiring an un licensed plumber, the contractor who hired a subcotractor that hired an unlicenced plumber
The "apprentice" probably does not have money to pay, so most of the burden will fall on the subcontractor and contractor
And I have to say if the contractor didn't notice this bologna, He should have his license pulled also. Definitely is not qualified to be a contractor. Ultimately it's up to the homeowner to check on licensing. Never take anybody's word for anything. WOW
The contractor should be the one held accountable because they didn't do their due diligence (or were malicious).
Then the original contractor / outfit can waste the time to reclaim losses from the sub par work.
In no world should the homeowner be saddled with chasing down a crackhead when the homeowner paid a GC or plumbing outfit.
The funny part is neither the homeowner or the contractor checked to see if the plumber had a license, I give everybody my business card with my journeyman license number right on it, And my ccb number, And my plumbing business contracting number, Heck you might as well leave your door unlocked all night long and pretend there's no such thing as criminals,
As a plumber of 30 + years I was horrified at what I was being shown , your being to nice . That’s the shoddiest work I’ve ever seen to be honest . That person should be sued and told never to touch any plumbing ever again ! That’s the type of job I would have to rip out and replumb all over again.
I agree. its more work to try to fix that mess.
And to think there are plumbers that do good work struggling with doubt to start their own company
23 year plumber here. Been licensed about half that in Kentucky. That's probably the worst residential remodel job I've ever seen. Rip it out and start over from scratch. And I do mean 100% of it.
That's like an OCD persons worst nightmare. What the heck ever happened to the concept plumb, straight and level!?!?
Wow. So many projects started at once, that would do my head in. And that bath is really low, are they all like that in the u.s.? I really like watching how you do your plumbing over there compared to here in the u.k. I'd hate to think what it would look like if the guy did it in 15mm copper. Sorry 1/2" 😊 great videos Roger.
I would love to see how y'all do it over there...one day I'll make a video visiting y'all
I think we are a bit behind the times with techniques and tools sometimes. But the end result is still the same I suppose. Keep up the good work Roger.
The contractor is at fault for two reasons: 1) there is a contract between the contractor and the home owner; 2) the contractor has the responsibility of vetting their employees or any subcontractors that they use.
I'm a fake plumber and what I see scares me that someone that has apprentice training, yet can't do a competent job of it.
Should go after the contractors bond for failure of service.
The problem with the shower is that it has a window right there in it😂
Same with toilets. I hate knowing that people knowing you are dropping a load
I’m not even a plumber, but have done construction. This is by far one of the worst things I’ve seen.
Atleast they nail plated lmfao!!!!
What’s up with the green board