10 Awkward Things That Must Have Happened After Star Trek Episodes

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  • @Enigmanaut
    @Enigmanaut Год назад +242

    Mark didn't marry 6 months after Voyager was lost. He married after Voyager was *declared* lost... which was about 4 years after it vanished.

    • @theevilascotcompany9255
      @theevilascotcompany9255 Год назад +39

      Yeah, big difference there. I'm sure there are parallels in our real history (not Tom Hanks in Castaway) where soldiers declared dead come back a few years later to find their fiancees or even wives have married someone else.

    • @Lordoftheapes79
      @Lordoftheapes79 Год назад +13

      I think it was more like 2, but yeah. He was more than respectful.

    • @seriascannain6675
      @seriascannain6675 Год назад +6

      @@theevilascotcompany9255 I think it has happened to some POW's, documented cases!? Not 100% sure of details!

    • @SECONDQUEST
      @SECONDQUEST Год назад +2

      Ooooooh yeah big thing

    • @toomanymarys7355
      @toomanymarys7355 Год назад +11

      @@theevilascotcompany9255 There were actually canon laws regarding how long after a husband or wife was carried away by an enemy army without a demand for ransom that you could assume they were dead. So yes, it happened often enough that there were laws about it!

  • @ProfArmitage218
    @ProfArmitage218 Год назад +307

    Geordi was in no position to lecture Barclay on the ethics of recreating real people on the holodeck.
    "I'm with you every day, Geordi. Every time you look at this engine, you're looking at me. Every time you touch it, it's me." Galaxy's Child

    • @icecold9511
      @icecold9511 Год назад +24

      To be fair his only intention was a less computer personality. It just got away from him. He shut it down though.

    • @steveweshinskey2117
      @steveweshinskey2117 Год назад +44

      Could be thats how he knew how bad it could be and felt 'I've been there so I'm here to help you now'.

    • @scottmantooth8785
      @scottmantooth8785 Год назад +5

      *true*

    • @JeffDeWitt
      @JeffDeWitt Год назад +11

      @@steveweshinskey2117 Like in AA and other recovery programs, the best person to help any kind of addict is someone who has been there.

    • @johnofthenorth6653
      @johnofthenorth6653 Год назад +18

      Plus we learn during Start Trek Voyager that Barclay is still making holodeck versions of real poeple and spends way too much time with the holodeck version of the Voyager crew. So any rules and regulations against it clearly hadn't been made yet.

  • @seanreid5665
    @seanreid5665 Год назад +70

    In Inner Light Picard lived far more than a decade inside the program. It was close to 3 or 4 decades

    • @scottmantooth8785
      @scottmantooth8785 Год назад +2

      *true*

    • @Cleopatra7Philopator
      @Cleopatra7Philopator Год назад +2

      Enough time to Integrate to Society(5 Years), Have his First Child(and 2nd), and a Grandchild!

    • @david2869
      @david2869 Год назад +1

      I would say it was closer to 5 or 6 decades since he 1) had a newly married wife at the beginning, 2) had children, 3) saw them grow up and have their own children and 4) grow to old age (around 70-80). That's at least 5 decades in my estimation if he got married in his twenties.

  • @johnfoss500
    @johnfoss500 Год назад +46

    There should have been awkwardness between Janeway and Kim. Imagine Harry doing nearly everything by the book with no promotion while his bestie, Tom, starts as Ensign (technically below him), promotes to Lt, gets busted down to Ensign then promoted again.

    • @edwardrhoades6957
      @edwardrhoades6957 Год назад +5

      Tom started as an observer with no rank... Janeway returned him to the rank he was when he was originally in Starfleet.

    • @justinidiot7161
      @justinidiot7161 Год назад +5

      Kim knew that Janeway was using rank as a behavior modification tactic to modulate Paris's ego. tldr; rank = stick&carrot.

    • @FreeSpirit47
      @FreeSpirit47 Год назад

      @@justinidiot7161 Excellent way to explain it. Thank you.

  • @NeoTechni
    @NeoTechni Год назад +7

    My wife and I both lost it when you called Spock a loser

  • @metropod
    @metropod Год назад +309

    I've always wanted to see what the reactions of the families of the Voyager crew would have been when they got the news they're still alive. "Message in a bottle" should have been a 2 part storyline.

    • @davidm4566
      @davidm4566 Год назад +5

      Yes!

    • @tonyj9743
      @tonyj9743 Год назад +10

      Yeah they missed an opportunity there.

    • @ns0557212
      @ns0557212 Год назад +12

      Probably just sighs and lots of people finding out they aren't married anymore lol...

    • @richarda29
      @richarda29 Год назад +10

      I wanted to know if Harry got back together w/Libby. She’d have been sad he didn’t get promoted.

    • @emilyfreas634
      @emilyfreas634 Год назад +4

      There's actually a short story about that from Mark's POV in Distant Shores, which is a book collection of Voyager short stories.

  • @jayb8934
    @jayb8934 Год назад +34

    I don’t think that the Doctor really had romantic feelings for B’Elanna since if he did his fantasy probably wouldn’t be breaking up with her. He just fantasized about being so desirable that every woman on the ship wanted him.

    • @PetersonZF
      @PetersonZF Год назад +1

      Yes, agreed! This video has a very strange interpretation of those events.

  • @ShamankingZuty
    @ShamankingZuty Год назад +29

    How can you not include "Hard Time" from DS9?! O'Brien experienced spending 20 years in a mind prison in an hour for a crime he didn't commit. He went insane from the hopelessness he experienced and the episode ends with him drawing the same shape he drew while in the mind prison to help keep himself calm. It's just never brought up again and I can't imagine how many years of therapy you'd need to get over not only the trauma of being wrongfully imprisoned for 20 years, but to only find out that an hour had passed by for everyone else must really have fucked with him even more.

    • @davidwit7749
      @davidwit7749 Год назад +2

      Didn't he also kill his cellmate in the mind prison in a fight over food? Even knowing that didn't actually happen, it would still haunt him that he was willing to kill someone over a few scraps of food.

    • @JallenMeodia
      @JallenMeodia Год назад

      @@davidwit7749 Yup, he was literally suicidal by the end of the episode. But come on Chief, pull yourself together man! The replicator in ops isn't making Raktajino the way I like it!

    • @Jon-kv4mi
      @Jon-kv4mi Год назад

      Basically any O'Brien episode would have put most in a crazy bin for some time lol

    • @ShamankingZuty
      @ShamankingZuty Год назад

      @@Jon-kv4mi I love O'Brien. He's a very relatable character for me and I was happy to see represention of my people in Star Trek.

    • @Jon-kv4mi
      @Jon-kv4mi Год назад +2

      @@ShamankingZuty - Agreed. Hard working family man, who takes everything thrown at him and still prospers. He was my favorite character in DS9

  • @ruthp2545
    @ruthp2545 Год назад +145

    Janeway's fiance didn't marry someone else after only 6 months. (Where did you get that from?) In the episode Hunters of season 4 (that would be at least 4 years after being lost in the Delta Quadrant) , she says that Mark had held out longer than most in hoping Voyager would be found but eventually he realized that he had to move on and continue his life, and that ' about four months ago' he married someone he worked with, meaning that at least 3 1/2 years had gone by.

    • @dirtyharryjc
      @dirtyharryjc Год назад +25

      The quote was "6 months ago I married her" or similar. The reviewer misunderstood.

    • @loulfw2513
      @loulfw2513 Год назад +9

      @@dirtyharryjc DON'T SAY THAT! Reviewers are infallible!!!!

    • @loulfw2513
      @loulfw2513 Год назад +8

      Even if that were true it's not unheard of. My father was a widower for "only" 32 months before remarrying, and he absolutely adored my mother. Some people bounce back faster from a partner's death, or so desperately cannot bear being alone that they do pair up much quicker than others. (I am the opposite; in addition to two soulmates, I just found out the first love of my life died during COVID, and I have still not contacted her family. Fortunately, my current understands my situation and attitude...and shares it.) If I'm not mistaken, Patton Oswalt lost his wife in April 2016 and remarried in November 2017, less than 20 months later. So there you go.

    • @tankman232
      @tankman232 Год назад +4

      also, is the book 'homecoming' canon? that explains just about everything for voyager.

    • @gwgux
      @gwgux Год назад +3

      @@dirtyharryjc Due to the bad writing in Voyager, it's understandable.

  • @haweater1555
    @haweater1555 Год назад +120

    I've always thought that after events of "The Inner Light" , that Picard was able to step back into the captain chair right away. The probe beam gave him decades of memories to play through, and when the transmission stopped after 25 minutes, his suppressed memories of his real life came back. He could still remember his command codes, but still took time off to reflect anyways. Yes, emotionally it was a ton to take in, like waking up from a thirty year long dream where in the end nothing "real" happened.

    • @brucemanly
      @brucemanly Год назад +10

      I imagine it would be sort of similar to what happened to O'Brien. Regret, suicidal thoughts and mourning may vary.

    • @jasontoddman7265
      @jasontoddman7265 Год назад +3

      That's what I always thought as well. Much like waking up from a vivid dream; only he remembers it way better.

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Год назад +6

      @@brucemanly Yeah, Picard and O'Brien both "lived" for decades; but one of them had a nice family life, and the other... ... didn't.

    • @SamSitar
      @SamSitar Год назад

      yeah it's a neat episode.

    • @MrAnim8orVideos
      @MrAnim8orVideos Год назад +6

      That theory makes sense. You would figure those aliens probably wouldn't want their legacy to be the complete destruction of one man's life via their probe. So they'd make it a type of memory that feels absolutely real, but still allows their real life to be easily remembered, not buried.

  • @maxshenkwrites
    @maxshenkwrites Год назад +39

    The lingering after-effects of Picard's experience in "The Inner Light" WERE addressed, although they didn't do so until the following season, in the episode "Lessons." Much of the plot of that episode is a direct callback to "The Inner Light."

    • @justinidiot7161
      @justinidiot7161 Год назад +1

      yeah, what you said

    • @PetersonZF
      @PetersonZF Год назад

      Yeah, that's what's known as an Author's Saving Throw. It's like they realised they'd glossed over it, so they addressed it in the following season.

  • @DrakeAurum
    @DrakeAurum Год назад +79

    I'm fairly sure Starfleet is generally opposed to their officers gaining awesome cosmic powers. It's not as though it's ever gone well.

    • @bjorn00000
      @bjorn00000 Год назад +9

      I think it depends on whether there's a koala involved.

    • @loulfw2513
      @loulfw2513 Год назад +1

      Other than Gary Mitchell, name an incident where this happened????

    • @Primalxbeast
      @Primalxbeast Год назад +1

      @@loulfw2513 Genetic engineering to create superior human beings is completely outlawed, and that it very minor compared to Q powers.

    • @jasontoddman7265
      @jasontoddman7265 Год назад +6

      @@loulfw2513 How about Plato's Stepchildren, where Kirk and Spock are able to replicate the psychic powers of their alien hosts? Which only led to an even stranger incident of why the process was never replicated ever again.

    • @bjorn00000
      @bjorn00000 Год назад +4

      @@loulfw2513 Lower Decks 1x04.

  • @miriam4235
    @miriam4235 Год назад +23

    I always imagine the captain and officers beside him just sitting there staring at the viewer after him saying 'engage' at the end of an episode. Just sitting there awkwardly twirling their thumbs while nothing happens during hours of travelling.

    • @human-tk2fo
      @human-tk2fo Год назад +3

      I'm sure after a few minutes of staring ahead polite chatter begins, at least I hope so XD

    • @seannemo8076
      @seannemo8076 Год назад +3

      There’s always something to do aboard a ship. The watch-standers who are scheduled for that watch would relieve the emergency watch-standers and everyone would return to their regular schedules. The Captain would probably retire to his Ready Room to do the mounds of paperwork required to run a ship; the 1st Officer would probably do the same, although the 1st Officer could probably do their paperwork from the bridge if they’re the Officer of the Watch. IDK if ships’ Captains stand watches, but even if they do, they most probably turn the bridge over to a senior subordinate so that they can work on everything else they have to do. They have a Ready Room for a reason, after all; to be literally right next door if everything goes sideways.
      The point is, about 30 seconds after the camera cuts away, the Captain probably turns the bridge over to the 1st Officer, who either stands the watch or waits until the regular Officer of the Watch for that shift arrives, if they’re not already on the bridge. So, say it’s Data’s scheduled watch, Picard would probably turn the bridge over to Data, and Picard and a Riker would go about whatever their regular business was… Which, given that I seem to remember Data running Gamma (3rd) shift, means that they probably go back to bed.

  • @MistyBottom
    @MistyBottom Год назад +46

    I don't think that it's ever mentioned in an episode, but Voyager's variable geometry nacelles were introduced as a writing 'CYA' (cover your arse) for being able to exceed the warp 5 speed limit.
    The writers knew they'd be bombarded by 'um actually' nerds when they decided Voyager would need to go faster to get home so they added some flappy bits to technobabble their way out of it if needed.

    • @jwb52z9
      @jwb52z9 Год назад +9

      It was actually mentioned that the reason the nacelles move as they do on Voyager was the solution the warp problem, but you have the correct technical explanation.

    • @troublecluster
      @troublecluster Год назад +4

      @@jwb52z9 I am trying to recall where it was brought up but watching the TNG, DS9 and VOY as they originally aired as a 90s teenager and a huge fan this point was made clear during that time that Voyager's nacelle design was the solution. I think it might have been in a BTS production team interview that was aired on TV marketing VOY when it was released.

    • @sonoriuxo2437
      @sonoriuxo2437 Год назад +8

      I remember have read somewhere that new post-Voyager nacelles, seen like in the Sovereign class, were designed for avoid the warp damage, so the variable geometry nacelles became obsolete.

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Год назад +6

      @@jwb52z9 It's also why Starfleet started making their ships more streamlined. It helps them navigate subspace currents without disrupting them.

    • @davidanderson_surrey_bc
      @davidanderson_surrey_bc Год назад +6

      I'm 66 years old now, so I know all about flappy bits.

  • @Cthulhu4President
    @Cthulhu4President Год назад +46

    Losing Mark sort of explains why Admiral Janeway was so much more of a hardass. She sort of always was, but post Voyager really had her dial up uncompromising and reckless to 11.
    It was the entire reason she was able to go against the wishes of not just Starfleet but essentially the entire alpha quadrant and travel back in time to assist Voyager.
    It was almost like she said 'If I can't have a happier ending, I know for a fact I can make a few happier outcomes for the crew who suffered under my captaincy'.

  • @control4230
    @control4230 Год назад +8

    I'm glad Lower Decks isn't getting ignored in these lists. It's by far and away my favourite of all the recent Treks.

  • @richardjohnson9543
    @richardjohnson9543 Год назад +21

    Geordi lecturing Barclay about recreating real people on the holodeck is hilariously ironic considering what he was likely already doing with his holo version of Leah Brahms during that time. Hollow Pursuits takes place in between Booby Trap, when he created her and Galaxy's Child, when Geordi himself was busted by the real Leah

    • @kev3d
      @kev3d Год назад

      "Oh Geordi...put your Anti-Matter Regulator into my Aft Plasma Vent!"
      "Oh yes, Leah. I want my coolant all over your....Captain! I didn't hear you come in."
      "LaForge!"
      "Yes, Captain?"
      "....proceed."

  • @janicielle
    @janicielle Год назад +17

    In the Star Trek novel "In the Name of Honor," Koloth stated that the tribble infestation got so out of control that he had to evacuate his crew and destroy his ship.

    • @scottmantooth8785
      @scottmantooth8785 Год назад +9

      *i have a friend who has friends that one year at the comi-con in Chattanooga attended as Tribble Hunters, wearing clothing made from tribble fur and a few tribbles impaled on tridents*

    • @davidanderson_surrey_bc
      @davidanderson_surrey_bc Год назад +2

      @@scottmantooth8785 Ah, yes... Behold the Mighty Tribble Hunter! Even stuck on a trident, a single tribble will multiply 10-fold before getting it home to the cooking pot. Mmmm... shish-ka-trib.

    • @kaylagiggles6206
      @kaylagiggles6206 Год назад +4

      I don't know when that novel was written, but technically, Deep Space Nine addressed what happened to those tribbles in "Trials and Tribble-ations" by leaving you to strongly infer that they were all beamed off the Klingon ship and aboard the Defiant after Scotty's little stunt to save them. People may have laughed about Scotty's solution to the tribble problem back in the 1960s, but by the 1990s, everybody who watched that episode realized just how cruel that action was to the tribbles because they all would've been killed one way or another if left aboard the Klingon vessel.

    • @shadizersilverhand2113
      @shadizersilverhand2113 Год назад

      @@kaylagiggles6206 let's be honest here though, Tribbles are without a doubt one of the most dangerously invasive species known to exist. They consume everything doing nothing but create more tribbles, they only exist as an obvious super-breeding food source from their homeworld which is the only place safe for them to be. They have to be classified as a top-tier extermination target for the safety and well-being of all inhabited worlds. They could practically genocide a planet in a few years if not quicker.

    • @bethannfeng5062
      @bethannfeng5062 Год назад

      @@davidanderson_surrey_bc Tribble-ka-bob

  • @wendelllecroy214
    @wendelllecroy214 Год назад +87

    One to top all of them: after the dreadful episode in which Tom Paris built a warp 10 shuttle, kidnapped Janeway, both of them mutating into salamanders, and spawning a brood together. Only to be rescued, their DNA descrambled and reverting back to human. I imagine Tom's quarterly performance review after that must have been awkward as hell. Still, he got promoted during the course of the series, but poor Harry Kim never did, so maybe Tom did something right. Not to mention the later romance with B'lana and Tom's secret passion for his captain. Yikes!

    • @jasonmgomez
      @jasonmgomez Год назад +10

      yeah, Tom did something right. He gave the captain his salamander!

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 Год назад +15

      THAT EPISODE DOES NOT EXIST... and it never did.

    • @philtkaswahl2124
      @philtkaswahl2124 Год назад +3

      But we're only talking about _canon_ awkward moments. ;)

    • @joefoster6715
      @joefoster6715 Год назад +3

      Spoiler alert for Prodigy!!!
      Up until a couple of episodes ago, I was hoping Dal was one of the salamander offspring grown up.

    • @calimann83
      @calimann83 Год назад +4

      I don’t know what episode you are talking about. I looked and there is no such episode.

  • @TheDarkVampire666
    @TheDarkVampire666 Год назад +14

    On the Troi thing problem is with her empathetic abilities she will very much have known that Barkley (and anyone else ) was very much attracted to her that must also have been very awkward for Barkley as he would know she knows and as she is the very person he is supposed to talk to about his issues like that makes it even worse.

    • @Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984
      @Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 Год назад +1

      Troi probably was not the only counselor on ship. Because who would people go to when she is off ship on vacation?

    • @davidanderson_surrey_bc
      @davidanderson_surrey_bc Год назад +1

      @@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 I'm not so sure. As far as I can recall, she was referred to as "Ship's Counselor". As in singular. I don't remember any support staff for her position.

    • @proximashining776
      @proximashining776 Год назад

      @@Tim.Stotelmeyer.2984 Dr Crusher had other staff in sickbay to replace her if needed. But we never saw any other counselor on the ship but Troi. And while Crusher was the chief medical officer, Troi wasn't chief counselor.

  • @leexgx
    @leexgx Год назад +26

    The cumulative effect of Warp travel was more based on when they were going through the same part of space repeatedly (future warp system and necelles seem to limit or remove this problem the new enterprise and voyager had completely redesigned warp engines and neclles) in that episode it was more than a an issue because there was a narrow corridor that ships had to fly throu witch was causing cumulative effect and could effect local planets and sun and possible hole like rupture in space

    • @shadizersilverhand2113
      @shadizersilverhand2113 Год назад +1

      And one aggressive idiot unwilling to actually give some time to scientists to work on the problem decides she'll cause the very disaster she was supposedly so determined to prevent. She spitefully harms everyone else because she wasn't getting her way.

    • @coltigh4232
      @coltigh4232 Год назад +2

      Yeah this is the answer. The Intrepid-class completely solved the issue with variable-geometry nacelles, and then later warp redesigns, like on the Sovereign-class, even negated the need for the nacelles to physically shift when creating a warp field.

  • @shawnconder4984
    @shawnconder4984 Год назад +26

    I'd have loved to have seen more of Troi and Ro making Riker squirm in the episode where the crew lost their memories and Ro and Riker ended up hooking up

    • @haweater1555
      @haweater1555 Год назад +6

      Is that the episode "Conundrum" , where memories of their own identities were erased. When they finally had access to crew files, the disappointment on Worf's face when he found out he was not captain after all, as he assumed he was from his own ceremonial sash.

    • @shawnconder4984
      @shawnconder4984 Год назад +3

      @haweater1555 I'm pretty sure it is. Also had that alien posing as the first officer

    • @JayStrang1
      @JayStrang1 Год назад +2

      @@shawnconder4984 Yeah, that's the one. I watched it a few weeks ago. A great one.

    • @josiahbahuaud2294
      @josiahbahuaud2294 Год назад +1

      Sounds like a basis for a comic strip. Lol

  • @davidmitchell005
    @davidmitchell005 Год назад +93

    In the episode “Rascals”, Picard, Guinean, Keillor & Ro are reduced to children in yet another pesky transporter accident. There’s a super awkward scene where Keko tries to snuggle up to Miles, who’s still an adult. Even after returning to adulthood, it must have been a long while to get that out of their heads and return to normal sexual relations. Also, the entire episodes “The Naked Time” and “The Naked Now” stripped the entire crew of inhibitors and they acted up, then had to go back to normal the next week.
    Though it’s a bit one-sided, several characters have visited The Mirror Universe and seen alternate versions of friends. Particularly of note is a dominatrix version of Kira. Hard to look the regular one in the eye after seeing that.

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Год назад +9

      "Mr. Kim, we're Starfleet officers. Weird is part of the job." Captain Janeway.
      If they took months to process every weird thing that happened to them like normal people would for most of the things we see happen, starfleet would never get any work done.

    • @jackasslawyer
      @jackasslawyer Год назад +2

      These people went to starfleet academy dammit. They're professionals

    • @julietardos5044
      @julietardos5044 Год назад +11

      Sisko slept with both mirror Kira and mirror Jadzia. How's that for awkward!

    • @Calzaki
      @Calzaki Год назад +3

      @@danieltilson4053 or on voyager they just push the reset button between episodes and live with no consequences

    • @spacecowboy2957
      @spacecowboy2957 Год назад +5

      Man, everything happened to poor Miles O'Brien. That poor guy spent a life sentence in a brutal prison, was infected with plague after eliminating said plague, was blackmailed by a P'agh Wraith, lost his daughter twice in the span of a week, was forced to work as a spy and then knowingly betray his target whom he'd befriended, was coerced into unwanted service as a priest and ripped his pants after crashing on a nearly-deserted planet deep inside enemy-controlled space. And that's in addition to serving through 2 brutal wars against the Cardassians.

  • @stevenfair3992
    @stevenfair3992 Год назад +7

    I love the concept of a realism check on mundane things excluded from episodes.

  • @dansmif
    @dansmif Год назад +9

    I'm guessing Tom and Janeway avoided each other for a while after turning into salamanders and mating!

  • @rabbitslayer42
    @rabbitslayer42 Год назад +5

    I counted 140+ people writing for TNG alone. The only way to have a semblance of continuity would be having nearly every episode take place in alternate universes.

  • @scopace314
    @scopace314 Год назад +80

    Great job on your first video. I think Picard's memories from the inner light were longer than 10 years though. He went from resisting having kids to his son deciding on a career path. Probably 20-25 years at least.

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 Год назад

      That depends on the lifespan, maturation rate, and education system of the species in question.

    • @richardjohnson9543
      @richardjohnson9543 Год назад +5

      It's actually about 40 years

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 Год назад +3

      @SciFiDude79 First, he was living a simulation as one of them, so he would have been experiencing whatever lifespan they had. Second, I agree that it was way longer than 20 years. I believe it was closer to 40 or even 50 years that he was experiencing. It took quite a while before he'd settled in enough to want a child.

    • @theinnerlight
      @theinnerlight Год назад +1

      quite right, but a minor note for an excellent first video from Tom

  • @petrmaly9087
    @petrmaly9087 Год назад +6

    2:20 It's very obvious that Vulcans knew time travel is possible and were hiding this fact so it couldn't be abused. T'Pol, after torture, when she repeated Vulcan science directorate determined it "is not possible" over and over again is thrown into isolation and when alone, she mumbles to herself that they determined time travel is unfair.

    • @justinidiot7161
      @justinidiot7161 Год назад +1

      I was waiting for a comment like this one. Perhaps it's a Mandella effect or I'm just wrong. But, I always *heard* T-Pol say that blahblahblae... time travel is impossible. Now, upom hearing that, I took the meaning to be 'not possible' . However, at the end of th espisode where she tells the story about being on earth in thr 1950's, my perspective changed. I took her meaning of 'impossible' to be more like the an unruly, unpredictable child being described as 'an impossible child'. The consequences of time travel in most episodes are logically out of balance during the event, but resolve to a logical conclusion that could have not been logically deduced. To a Vulcan, being the logical creatures they are, that would be "impossible". It's bugged me for years, I find it impossible that one phrase from used a handful of times, in an obscure teledrama has had that effect on me. Thoughts?

    • @16tonpress21
      @16tonpress21 Год назад

      @@justinidiot7161 T'pol wasn't telling the story of "herself" being on earth in the 50's SHe was relating family history of her "second foremother"

    • @justinidiot7161
      @justinidiot7161 Год назад

      @@16tonpress21 oh, yeah, that purse she had was an heirloom, then. Ok. Thanks!!

  • @WmTRiker
    @WmTRiker Год назад +18

    The interesting thing about Pon Farr is that, in "Amok Time" Spock states that the entire event is so personal that even Vulcans do not speak of it amongst themselves. However, after this the topic is pretty much treated by both Humans and Vulcans alike as if it's no big deal. Saavik even talks to David about it as if it's as common knowledge as Vulcans having pointed ears.
    Speaking of which, I've always wondered if the reason Saavik kind of avoid Spock's gaze at the end of "Star Trek III" is because they...well...you know. Of course, as Vulcans, they should both understand that what she did to help Spock was the only _logical_ thing to do and she had no reason to be "embarrassed".

    • @CorvusBelli01
      @CorvusBelli01 Год назад +1

      It was always weird to me that this event, which happens to a huge number of Vulcans every year, was somehow something no-one else in the Federation even knew about. McCoy was Chief Medical Officer on a ship with a Vulcan crewmember, so he'd have likely familiarised himself with common Vulcan medical issues, and we're told that at no point in his entire medical training did the topic come up?

    • @Thurgosh_OG
      @Thurgosh_OG Год назад +2

      For Saavik, it was not about avoiding Spock afterwards but that he was soon to be her superior officer again and officers are not supposed to 'liase' with their juniors. She was just making it easy for them to move on.

    • @quasar8898
      @quasar8898 Год назад +2

      Yes. I'm sure the Vulcan right of 'Pound Hard' caused many problems with fellow crewmates in Star Fleet........

    • @shadizersilverhand2113
      @shadizersilverhand2113 Год назад +3

      @@CorvusBelli01 I imagine regular Vulcans in Starfleet do a far better job scheduling their Pon Farr's but Spock was in a normal position not one of the special outliers for Vulcans so couldn't properly plan things. Plus his relationship wasn't stable with his ersatz partner which probably caused him to trigger early as well.

    • @Cleopatra7Philopator
      @Cleopatra7Philopator Год назад +1

      Pre-1980, things such as Condoms and Menstrual Supplies were Taboo in TV Advertising, and Bras could not be Modelled, except on a Mannequin. Within a Short Time period, People could more Publically Discuss Sexuality themes, and Admit to their Feelings and Needs.
      If the Emotional Humans could Change so Radically, I'm Positive that the Vulcans would have Reason to Review Millenia Old Puritanism in favor of Prudence!
      Hugs!

  • @rwalper
    @rwalper Год назад +38

    In the series finale, Seven of Nine and Neelix were playing a game over communications, but it was cut short when Seven got sensor readings and Voyager found the Borg transwarp network. Seven committed to playing their game again the next day, but shortly after, Voyager used the transwarp hub to go home. So Neelix never heard from the crew again, probably got worried and made a trip to their last known coordinates to see if his Voyager friends were still alive. Instead he would've encountered a bunch of pissed off Borg and likely got assimilated.

    • @FirstDan2000
      @FirstDan2000 Год назад +4

      Talaxian Borg? Would the Borg consider that an inefficient assimilation?
      Bloody scavenger.

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Год назад +3

      @@FirstDan2000 I don't remember what traits she mentioned, but Seven said that Talaxians make good worker drones at one point.

    • @kaylagiggles6206
      @kaylagiggles6206 Год назад +9

      Poor Neelix! I never considered that fact before! You would hope that in an off-camera moment, Neelix was informed, but at the same time, doing so might have tipped the Borg off to what Voyager was about to do, which could have lost them their opportunity to get home. I just hope that Neelix waited around long enough for Janeway to contact him using the MIDAS Array before carrying out a search and rescue mission on his own.

    • @ryjinannon
      @ryjinannon Год назад

      Too good for 'em, I say!

    • @stephenproulx175
      @stephenproulx175 Год назад +4

      ​@@kaylagiggles6206 i always told myself that they would have set him up with long range communications, since he was supposed to be the delta quadrant liaison. It makes sense that Janeway would expect she would get home and would have given him the tech to talk with the midas array.
      Plus, i think seven had filled him in about possibly finding a way home or something if i recall. I can't remember where they left their conversation off.

  • @andypeterson2126
    @andypeterson2126 Год назад +4

    Barclay is doing holodeck fun stuff , meanwhile Janeway can’t even replicate a cup of coffee

  • @Peregrine57
    @Peregrine57 Год назад +9

    Janeway and Mark are probably cool. She had time to process the break-up and get over it, and I'm sure they're both mature enough to have a reunion without any hard feelings. What's occurred to me lately, though, because it came up in Prodigy, is Mollie. She was pregnant with puppies when Janeway left. And sure, Mark would have taken care of her. But the puppies would have been adopted off long ago, and Mollie would have spent half of her life expectancy with Mark and his wife before Janeway got home, and is all like "Hey, can I have my dog back?" Who gets to keep the dog? Do they have some kind of visitation arrangement or something?

  • @BS-vx8dg
    @BS-vx8dg Год назад +4

    At 4:17 you say that Picard spent "an entire decade" living another life. Have you seen the episode? He had a wife, took years to get used to being with her, then they had not one but two children, and then he had a grandchild. He was there at the very least 25 years, not ten.

  • @williamozier918
    @williamozier918 Год назад +18

    I always thought the single most awkward off screen moment in Star Trek had to be after the TOS episode Balance of Terror. Um, you mean the Romulans with whom we had an interstellar war are actually Vulcans...and in 200 years you didn't think to tell us this? Man how did THAT conversation go?!

    • @prion42
      @prion42 Год назад +1

      Not just an awkward conversation at the high levels of government, but I think we can also expect that the mission logs were classified and the truth suppressed for a few years.

    • @lucasbachmann
      @lucasbachmann Год назад

      Well aside from whatever garbage was in ENTERPRISE - the Vulcans would not have known either.

    • @andrewmalinowski6673
      @andrewmalinowski6673 Год назад +1

      @@lucasbachmann Unless you consider it canon the Enterprise "Romulan War" novels make it clear the higher levels of Vulcan government knew that Vulcans and Romulans shared a physical and cultural heritage, especially as Cmdr. Tucker was surgically modified and trained to hide amongst them while studying their attempt at a Warp 7 engine. It implies the knowledge that Vulcans and Romulans were similar was classified, but also very few knew aside from; Archer, T'Pol, Tucker, and Sato

  • @jar8240
    @jar8240 Год назад +26

    On holo pursuits, I think Troy is likely to be the most likely to move past it. How often does she walk by someone and sense instant lust? She'd have to make peace with that side of people

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Год назад +3

      Especially dressing the way she does instead of in a more conservative standard issue uniform. She has to know the effect that has on a significant portion of the crew. Maybe she does that to distract them from other emotions that are more awkward to sense? Or to make herself a "safe" target for their lustful thoughts so things don't get awkward down in Engineering.

    • @jar8240
      @jar8240 Год назад

      @@danieltilson4053 that would bevthe curse of being an empath. You'd have to accept that people thoughts are separate from their expressions. Sometimes that's dealing with someone who is polite but dislikes you. Sometimes that's sifting through a hundred people who get dirty thoughts when they see you

    • @Cleopatra7Philopator
      @Cleopatra7Philopator Год назад

      She knows the Psychology. Her Senses just Confirm what we Mundane already See: Checking out a Coworker's Build as they Pass, Innocent Flirting, Dating, Hooking-up. The Issues come when one is Preoccupied with another's Presence, to the Distraction, and Detriment of the Work. I'd be Willing to Bet, that with Betazed Psychologists on Staff, the "Psych Test" would Evaluate if Psionic Races could Interact with Emotional Crews. Yes, Ens. Smith notes Troi Bustline and she keeps her Quarters quite Chilly, and then Reports to his Shift and Hands in his Progress Report, while Troy sees her 09:00 Appointment.
      Hugs!

    • @Gaeilgeoir
      @Gaeilgeoir Год назад

      Troi, not the city in Greece, you nitwit!

    • @jar8240
      @jar8240 Год назад

      @@Gaeilgeoir I hope you can accept my most sincere apologies gale

  • @steveweshinskey2117
    @steveweshinskey2117 Год назад +13

    I read somewhere that Voyager was designed to overcome the warp speed limit with her variable geometry Nacelles. Perhaps this was used to create new ships and retrofit older ships to allow faster than warp 5 without damaging space.

    • @daveburgan
      @daveburgan Год назад +4

      I came to say this. Sometime off screen a solution to this problem was discovered and implemented. There would still need to be space traffic cops bc all ships would either need to be retrofitted or obey the speed limit

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Год назад

      Yup, however later they found a way to use the Defectors to do it instead.

    • @Nalehw
      @Nalehw Год назад +3

      Yeah, this is a popular beta canon explanation - and I like it, it's totally in character for the Federation to immediately start exploring technological options to solve the problem and implement a few different solutions on different ships - but it's never really come up again in the primary canon.
      I have to wonder about the rest of the galaxy though. Did the Federation teach other civilisations how to avoid warp damage? When Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant did she spend the entire voyage broadcasting schematics for environmentally-safe warp drive? Or did they just leave the rest of the galaxy to do irreparable damage to spacetime?

    • @steveweshinskey2117
      @steveweshinskey2117 Год назад +1

      @@Nalehw IIRC a lot of other races use a different technology to establish warp. For Example the Romulans use mini black holes and the Borg don't seem to use dilithium drives either. Maybe its just the federation and/or most of the alpha quadrant that uses the type of warp that damage space.
      I mean we have seen evidence in the shows of races that have been using warp for thousands.possibly hundreds of thousands, of years so it probably something to do with they type of warp drive not the actual warp travel.

    • @lucasbachmann
      @lucasbachmann Год назад

      @@steveweshinskey2117 it would be more accurate to say that there's different technology for heating warp plasma in the fictional physics. That's all Romulan micro-black holes (from the gas orbiting friction) and Dilithium (which down converts gamma rays to heat) are doing. You could use coal if you could generate enough heat from it.

  • @AlexGreeneHypnotist
    @AlexGreeneHypnotist Год назад +6

    "The Inner Light" was nowhere near as awkward as the endings of "Lessons," "Attached," and "Sub Rosa." Picard really didn't have much of a way with women.
    Also, season 1's "Where No One Has Gone Before" showed Picard talking to his Mum's ghost. In that hallucinatory vision, she was old.
    And now we know from Picard season 2 that Picard never got to see his Mum grow old, so that's an even bigger retcon than you realise.

    • @johnroscoe2406
      @johnroscoe2406 Год назад +1

      The only thing I can agree with Kurtzmantrek on is that TNG Season 1 didn't happen.
      Because it didn't happen.

  • @Chiscringle
    @Chiscringle Год назад +25

    There was some repercussions in episode, but there being no reference after the Doctor takes over Seven's body and then uses her to experience life (including overeating and getting too close to a woman on board the ship) is proof that Voyager is the most episodic of the shows.

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 Год назад +3

      Ironically, more episodic than TOS, which was designed to be episodic.

  • @BrainboxccGames
    @BrainboxccGames Год назад +4

    00:04:41 the inner light was one of the best episodes of TNG i think. It would have changed Picard's entire view on life and his career. The fact that at the end he takes out the flute and plays that tune, remembering the life that once was, but wasnt.

    • @TheNoiseySpectator
      @TheNoiseySpectator Год назад

      I wonder if his dread of children changed after that, as well?
      He at least two children living as Caemin.

  • @MuffinHunterX
    @MuffinHunterX Год назад +4

    I doubt The Continuum would have let an untrained novice ascended human remain on The Enterprise anyway so that one's kind of a moot point.
    I also doubt Q really intended to let him keep the powers anyway.

  • @EternalCharax
    @EternalCharax Год назад +8

    Lal. Picard season 1 was ALL ABOUT how data had a daughter, and nobody brings up the fact that Data already had one. Nobody mentions it, even in passing. Not even Riker, who she kissed - in front of all of ten forward.

  • @winstonsmith478
    @winstonsmith478 Год назад +5

    I think the most likely use of holodecks is one censors would never allow them to show.

    • @BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao
      @BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao Год назад +1

      Also the most obvious source of replicated pudding... XD

    • @cypher515
      @cypher515 Год назад +1

      They pretty much admitted it on Lower Decks. (Though LD actually does have a tiny problem in being canon: there's a few cases where Rule of Funny trumps (RUclips autocorrect FORGOT that that word isn't just a name?) reality by having Mariner refer to things that never happened except in scripts.) Anyway, there's Ransom saying "I've got her cleaning out the (bleep) filters from the holodeck!"

  • @kevinmoore8780
    @kevinmoore8780 Год назад +39

    After the Best of Both Worlds we see Picard needing some shore leave to adjust to what happened. But the most awkward thing would multiple run-ins with the families of thousands of Starfleet officers killed at Wolf 359 by Locutus. We saw that with Sisko reaction to Picard when they first meet. While someone might intellectually understand the it wasn't Picard, it would be hard to forgive the physical person whose memories of tactics was enough to destroy so many ships and personnel. If someone's car accidently had a mechanical problem and killed a bystanders, we might be understanding of the accident but still can't be around the person who was behind the wheel even if it had nothing to do with them. And then there are those who would have thought "wasn't there anything he could have done?" or "why didn't he kill himself before allowing this to happen?"

    • @MahsaKaerra
      @MahsaKaerra Год назад +3

      Quite aside from holding Picard responsible for what happened, a lot of people who knew of Picard's involvement would have had a rather dim view of Starfleet itself afterwards, having decided that he can resume command of the Federation's flagship after a period of extended leave. I can imagine a lot of disillusionment, similar to what we see with Benamin Sisko. At the start of DS9 he says he want to do the bare minimum to fulfil his contractual obligations and then quit in order to spend time with his son.

    • @brandonlink6568
      @brandonlink6568 Год назад +2

      Also to a lesser effect there's Power Play where Troi, Data, and O'Brien are controlled by the spirit convicts. While Picard and Worf can dismiss their actions without too much trouble that would be pretty traumatizing for Kako and would likely end the marriage. But then she's taken over by a Pah Wraith in The Assignment a couple years later and flips the script.

  • @IMDARKFIRE007
    @IMDARKFIRE007 Год назад +10

    Interactions between Data and Yar after their romp would have been awkward as all heII for Yar. Same with Riker and Ro considering they despised each other.

    • @haweater1555
      @haweater1555 Год назад +1

      "The Next Phase". -- " Now I supposed I'll NEVER know what you're going to say about me. [ZAP]". - Ro

    • @viciousyeen6644
      @viciousyeen6644 Год назад +3

      I always thought Yar wouldn’t have held that against Data, she was mature enough to accept her feelings and the situation. I bet she even made some jokes about it that data would understood far later.

    • @davidanderson_surrey_bc
      @davidanderson_surrey_bc Год назад +1

      For Yar in that moment, Data would have simply been a dildo with a robot attached to it. And self-directing.
      Which begs the question: What the hell was Noonian Soong thinking when he added THAT feature?

    • @IMDARKFIRE007
      @IMDARKFIRE007 Год назад +2

      @@davidanderson_surrey_bc Soong wanted his androids to be as Human as possible, hence why he spent his last moments making the emotion chip for Data. Sexuality is a big part of being Human...

  • @randystegemann9990
    @randystegemann9990 Год назад +3

    How about the ST: Enterprise episode "Damage?" Archer attacked an Illyrian ship and stole their warp coil, stranding them without warp drive. After destroying the Xindi weapon, they should have, if not must have, found that ship, restored its warp drive and even upgraded it as restitution for the theft.

  • @simonlb24
    @simonlb24 Год назад +6

    An excellent first effort, Tom! Look forward to seeing you presenting more of these in the future. 👍

  • @henrikharbin5521
    @henrikharbin5521 Год назад +3

    Some of mine:
    1. The paperwork Kirk would be saddled with after Star Trek III and before IV.
    2. Kirk explaining to Starfleet how he was NOT responsible for the M-5 war games fiasco and the deaths of so many officers.
    3. Scotty apologizing to Captain Stiles for sabotaging Excelsior.
    4. The Klingon crew made nice with Kirk at the end of ST V, but the Klingons were enemies all over again at the beginning of ST VI. What happened?

    • @prion42
      @prion42 Год назад +1

      Why would Kirk have been responsible for M-5? The programmer delivered a faulty product.

    • @henrikharbin5521
      @henrikharbin5521 Год назад +1

      Starship captains assume responsibility for everything aboard their ships. Burden of command.
      Daystrom was directly respinsible, but his mental collapse could be grounds for ignoring it (not guilty by reason of insanity).

  • @ZenosaurusRex
    @ZenosaurusRex Год назад +3

    There was a follow up to "The Trouble with Tribbles" in The Animated Series. It was titled "More Tribbles, More Troubles" and was written by David Gerald who wrote the original episode. Look it up.

  • @psnitkin4059
    @psnitkin4059 Год назад +1

    4:25 - After the Inner Light, the events of that lifetime were like waking up from a dream. In those moments when you are still waking up, you forget where you are, and who you are, but then it all comes rushing back.

  • @LoganKM76
    @LoganKM76 Год назад +8

    Here's one I've often thought about: ST3, Kirks birthday party. They mention that Scotty is running late and will arrive soon. Then Sarek arrives. Imagine when the mind meld scene ends, and in walks Scotty, with a bottle in one hand, ready to party.

    • @kaylagiggles6206
      @kaylagiggles6206 Год назад +4

      That actually wasn't Kirk's birthday party. It was more like an informal memorial service for Spock. Kirk's birthday was celebrated with Bones before the events of Star Trek II truly unfolded.

    • @LoganKM76
      @LoganKM76 Год назад

      @@kaylagiggles6206 oh yeah.......

  • @Flynn-gf6wj
    @Flynn-gf6wj Год назад +5

    I said a while ago, you could make a series called Star Trek: Aftermath following up on what happened after each episode- how the Mintakans (from 'Who watches the watchers') adjusted, what happened after the federation reported to the romulans what happened in 'The Pegasus'.. a LOT of episodes have the potential for a follow-up of some sort.

    • @patrickmackin3579
      @patrickmackin3579 Год назад

      That is one of the funny things ST:Lower Decks does with their "Second Contact" premise. They returned to the "Return of the Archons" planet to find the natives had resumed worshiping Landru LOL.

    • @zeero4ever
      @zeero4ever Год назад

      Discovery had "Reunion Part 3", which built on the TNG episodes.

  • @jdunn813
    @jdunn813 Год назад +4

    I checked the stardates between The Inner Light and Time's Arrow.
    5 days. That's all the time that passed between those two episodes.

  • @BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao
    @BrianTaylor-AlwaysInTao Год назад +4

    In the animated Star Trek series that followed TOS they actually beamed more tribbles onto another Klingon ship - so twice

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 Год назад +3

    4:20 It was a lot more than a decade, he had grandchildren.

  • @StephenLeGresley
    @StephenLeGresley Год назад +22

    Welcome to TrekCulture Tom. You did great for your first video. Can't wait to see more. Live long and prosper sir 🖖

  • @DJ_Kers
    @DJ_Kers Год назад +3

    Loving the new voices

  • @TamTroll
    @TamTroll Год назад +7

    Re: the warp 5 speed limit.
    I thought that was only for around that one particular section of space. It was a new alien species who introduced the problem to star fleet right? they were the ones concerned about the damage because it was already pretty bad there. So i figured the speed limit was only for when within that region of space, and was not applicable anywhere else.

    • @jdunn813
      @jdunn813 Год назад +2

      The episode established that warp drive was easentially wearing down the fabric of space and that the incident that occured in that episode would eventually happen in other places. The speed limit was meant to slow the cumulative effect.
      Voyager's variable geometry nacelles were somehow able to not damage space the way other warp drive systems did, but no other ship classes were fitted with a system like that because, presumably, Starfleet figured out how to fix the issues with their drives so they would not be destructive and could do it without the moving nacelles.

    • @ShannonCarter55
      @ShannonCarter55 Год назад

      @@jdunn813 and yet Starfleet continued to use every starship class before 2370 in every show afterwards. Nah, the Vulcans figured out the whole theory was trash and dumped it. And the subspace repaired itself easily within weeks if not months.

    • @YesTHATJohnSmith
      @YesTHATJohnSmith Год назад

      @@ShannonCarter55
      [Exterior: Starfleet H.Q., San Francisco.]
      [Interior: Fleet Commanding Admiral's office, 1145 hours.]
      The Vulcan Science Academy Representative has just presented the above-mentioned results.
      "What are your thoughts on these findings, Science Officer?" asks the Fleet Admiral.
      "They sound accurate. Also, I think it's time for lunch."
      "Good enough. You're all dismissed."

  • @BobbyCoolBreeze
    @BobbyCoolBreeze Год назад +4

    Will Wheaton is pissed he didn’t grow up looking like his adult stand in

    • @lalaithan
      @lalaithan Год назад

      I don't think he is.

  • @20JK10
    @20JK10 Год назад +3

    Captain John Harriman contemplating his life after meeting his childhood idol Admiral Kirk and then losing him to a gravimetric distortion while on the maiden voyage of the new Enterprise-B, after he let Kirk take command of the ship. While also losing the lives of over 300 El-Aurians.

    • @patrickdusablon2789
      @patrickdusablon2789 Год назад

      Methinks that Captain Harriman would have found himself flying a desk in no time flat rather than a starship.

    • @YesTHATJohnSmith
      @YesTHATJohnSmith Год назад

      Captain H did indeed GIVE Kirk command--- Kirk REFUSED it. Surprisingly mature, considering the character's reputation for egotism. (In any event, it was gratifying to see that Jim had learned, and developed.)
      (If you wish to read an enjoyable Harriman aftermath story, check out "The Captain's Daughter" by Peter David. I believe you'll THOROUGHLY dig it!)

  • @cmj0929
    @cmj0929 Год назад +5

    The damaging sub space incident was fixed in canon through new technologies such as Voyagers folding nacelles and the sovereign class, don’t know about the other ships though

  • @Calzaki
    @Calzaki Год назад +2

    I think we can assume between every episode of Voyager there was a temporal rift that resets everything called a "these writers don't care" so anything that happens to character development one week will not affect next week or ever be mentioned again

  • @jasonmgomez
    @jasonmgomez Год назад +19

    regarding number 8. B'lanna wasnt TOO creeped out by the Doctor's fantasies. She wouldn't let ANYONE else but him deliver her baby in the last episode. Even Paris agrees with her. Giving him access to her (erm...) wormhole is not the thing you do if you suspect your doctor is a creep.

    • @Cthulhu4President
      @Cthulhu4President Год назад

      ...Except for the fact they only had the one doctor... Paris had no experience delivering a baby, and was only registered as a nurse for first aid in emergency situations, with no other nurses on board...
      Being that Janeway herself was a science officer in addition to captain they could have asked her to deliver the child, but it's both not her field and she probably wouldn't have the free time.
      When it comes time to deliver your baby, you're not going to care if the only doctor available is a perv or not. Because you won't have any other option.
      She maybe could've delivered it alone in a bathtub and hoped for the best, but they only ever show the one tub on Voyager and it's never seen or mentioned again in favor of an episode or two showcasing the sonic showers. By the time she was ready to have that child the ship's been blown to hell and refurbished so many times that I wouldn't doubt they broke down that one tub for replicator matter.

    • @lalaithan
      @lalaithan Год назад +3

      Way to make things...creepy ("wormhole"? 😬)

    • @jasonmgomez
      @jasonmgomez Год назад +5

      @@Cthulhu4President all this is true EXCEPT they were ALREADY on the way back to the Alpha Quadrant and the discussion happens in relation to WHEN THEY GET BACK. Remember, the baby came early, during the borg battle. The plan was to have the baby on Earth, at Starfleet, while being debriefed. Watch the ep...
      p.s. there are multiple tub scenes in voyager. Neelix wasting water in the first. Janeway being interrupted by Q come to mind instantly.

    • @jasonmgomez
      @jasonmgomez Год назад +4

      @@lalaithan i was gonna use Neutral Zone but it seemed too off....

    • @jasonmgomez
      @jasonmgomez Год назад

      and @Bryan Miller removes? his post...man, what kind of person cant admit theyre wrong?

  • @courteouscarpenter7811
    @courteouscarpenter7811 Год назад +1

    Finally you talked about inner light. That episode always made me go what the hell? He's lived in entire life had a wife had a child that only he can know about that would F you up forever man.

  • @chefdean7257
    @chefdean7257 Год назад +3

    Picard spent ALOT longer than a decade in the Inner Light simulation . . .

  • @trevormillar1576
    @trevormillar1576 Год назад +2

    Klingon 1: " What do you think of all those Tribbles that some idiot beamed aboard?"
    Klingon 2 "I recommend washing them down with much Bloodwine!"

  • @gregoryt1139
    @gregoryt1139 Год назад +2

    I would think Trip getting knocked-up after an alien one-night stand would garner some whispers around Engineering.

  • @deathpgt
    @deathpgt Год назад +3

    I think Deanna wouldnt have had a major issue with Barkley, she was a therapist and she could feel his embarrassment.

  • @kingtimot
    @kingtimot Год назад +10

    Number 3 about the warp 5 limit... they made Variable warp geometry to explain away that. (like Voyager's tilting nacelles.)

    • @Z1gguratVert1go
      @Z1gguratVert1go Год назад

      Yes. And the new nacelle designs of the Sovereign Class could do that without the moving nacelles.
      Originally Voyager's nacelles were meant not to move for Warp 1, and slowly starting tilting up (and therefore coming closer together) as the ship went faster and faster. They never did that though they only had two positions which makes no sense by itself, they should have kept the original idea. Otherwise, what's the point of them moving at all? I think this was also to explain why a ship that small with nacelles that were small even relative to the rest of the ship which was already small, could go so darn fast. Usually with Starships bigger = bigger warp core = more power = higher warp factor but Voyager turned that on its head and the moving nacelles were meant to be the reason why.

    • @02ujtb00626
      @02ujtb00626 Год назад +1

      @@Z1gguratVert1go the idea is they adjust while at warp, but the adjustments are so small they aren't noticeable. I swear though I have seen some episodes where they seemed flatter than normal though.

    • @lovehawks2814
      @lovehawks2814 Год назад +1

      Ah yes, the season seven episode of TNG. What was the name of the ship that had the engineer Geordi was competing with? USS Intrepid? As in Intrepid Class, ie. the class of ship Voyager belongs to? I don't buy that explanation purely because the class of ship with the problem's solution existed in the episode the problem was disclosed, and discussed before the problem could be mentioned. Could it be another Intrepid? Possibly, but that would be the USS Intrepid that Sergey Rochenko would have served on when it responded to the Khitomer massacre. Also, it would mean there would have to be two USS Intrepid ships co-existing on the Starfleet register. Remember, this was an episode that took place late in Season 7 of TNG, and Voyager takes place immediately after TNG. Therefore, USS Voyager would likely be close to finished by then if not already in shakedown. That means that the ship of the line would have to exist before hand, ergo the USS Intrepid in this case is most likely the Intrepid class USS Intrepid.

    • @Z1gguratVert1go
      @Z1gguratVert1go Год назад

      @@02ujtb00626 I want you to be right, so therefore I declare that you are correct. Maybe other ships achieve this by moving the coils closer/farther inside the nacelles so we don't see them move and being fully enclosed in non-moving shells they are better protected that way.

    • @02ujtb00626
      @02ujtb00626 Год назад

      @@lovehawks2814 there are instances where ships have the same name, like when one is launched before the other is decommissioned. The Excelsior/Nebula class USS Melbourne is an example, they were both at wolf 359. As for the Intrepid class USS Intrepid, it didn't have the technological advancements that Voyager did, Voyager being the 2nd of its class. It had a standard warp core, no bio-nueral gel packs, only isolinear. It was more of a standard starship, the light cruiser it was originally intended to be. When the new systems were installed on Voyager, and they realized how much better the class was with them, they recalled the USS Intrepid to space dock to have them installed, which would explain why she wasn't really around at that point. They were swapping out its warp core(s) and computer systems. Additionally, the variable geometry nacelles weren't designed as a solution to the subspace damage, it was designed to be a more efficient warp drive. They found out during shakedowns, test runs, or what have you that a side effect of the design offered a solution. Through that, and data collected from the other Intrepid class ships, they were able to create or retrofit nacelles and warp systems to be subspace friendly going forward, which also explains why we don't see any other class with pivoting nacelle pylons.

  • @acherise
    @acherise Год назад +2

    Commenting on your number 7, Capt. Picard's healing from his other life. It was kind of addressed in the TNG episode, "Lessons". He used music. The episode revealed that he remembered the love of his family, and was able to share that memory with his teacher through his music. Playing his flute helped him through his loss. The whole episode showed the remarkleble power of music mixed with love and loss. And the threat of losing his teacher under his command, and losing music as a result of it, was more than he could bare. That would mean losing the memory of his other family. He will continue to heal through his flute. An ongong process right?

  • @andypeterson2126
    @andypeterson2126 Год назад +3

    You would think they would have some kind of privacy option for the holodeck. I mean, how can people just barge in on you?

    • @Beohun
      @Beohun Год назад +2

      I'd wager the first officer and chief engineer can override that.

  • @enavy04
    @enavy04 Год назад +17

    Beckett was totally in the wrong. Her disregard for orders blew up on her face. She even admits to her mom in the following episode that she has given her mom reason to distrust her. I'm a Navy submarine veteran, and while starfleet is technically "not a military institution" If a reporter were coming to my sub, and the captain sees his most difficult subordinate mucking about and leaving a frickin' blueberry snail trail wherever they went, he'd want to keep them as far away from the reporter as possible.

    • @TheKrstff
      @TheKrstff Год назад +6

      The captain publicly shamed and retaliated against a subordinate for making her look bad. We're given no indication in the episode that Beckett broke any rules by talking to the reporter.
      Captain Freeman is completely in the wrong here and her actions are unbecoming of a Starfleet Captain. Which explains why she'd still commanding a Cali class.
      And her actions make even less sense given Beckett has never done anything to harm the Cerritos before. Beckett is self destructive, not vindictive or callous.
      The great irony in all of this is in the first episode of the season, Freeman had this whole speech about Starfleet believing in one of their own, but when it came down to it, Freeman did not live up to that ideal and do the same.

  • @shady_the_grim
    @shady_the_grim Год назад +2

    Maybe the speed limit was just in such areas. Like some eco-zones on earth were you're only allowed to drive through when having a specific filter

  • @gloval2009
    @gloval2009 Год назад +36

    I would have loved to see Riker's reactions after Measure of a Man. Data doesn't hold it against him and even says he understood and supported Riker's shutting him off but I don't believe that the Riker we all came to know, and especially the Riker of Season 1 would have moved on without he occasional hitch.

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Год назад +4

      I never found Riker shutting him off as compelling as the show tried to make it seem. I could use a hyospray and do the same thing to any person, or a phaser and make it permanent.

    • @Xyponx
      @Xyponx Год назад +5

      @@jacara1981 But that's the whole point, you don't need a hypospray or a phaser to incapacitate Data. That was just an example, his arms can be pulled off with a twisting jerking motion and his head can be opened by pulling his hair. The point Riker was making is that Data is a machine that can be turned off and on by pressing a button. Usually we consider such devices tools.

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Год назад +2

      @@Xyponx Vulcan nerve pinch does the same to a human.

    • @proximashining776
      @proximashining776 Год назад

      @@danieltilson4053 It doesn't do the same to a human. While the Vulcan nerve pinch can "switch off" a person, you can't use it to "switch on" the victim again, like you would by pressing a button on an android. A human falls unconscious after the nerve pinch but a Vulcan can do nothing to make that guy regain consciousness, and must wait for them to wake up on their own.

    • @zeero4ever
      @zeero4ever Год назад +1

      @@proximashining776 but with hyposprays you CAN switch people off and on at will

  • @thegreatcanadianweasel9928
    @thegreatcanadianweasel9928 Год назад +3

    For the Lower Decks one, "Trusted Sources"
    You kinda get the idea long before that the Mariner is not really liked by the crew, and many of them sided with the Captain on that one. She was pretty much a pariah, so it is not just her mom that has to make up, like WTH Jennifer?
    With Picard, you really can see that Troi probably had whole swathes of time just set aside for his counseling sessions.

  • @rwandaforever6744
    @rwandaforever6744 Год назад +4

    The technology that most baffled me was the one used on O'Brian in "Hard Time". He was implanted with 20 years worth of memories of being in prison. This is a bit like the second life Picard got in TNG, but it was used routinely by the Argrathi for punishment.
    I still go crazy when I think about why the use this immensely useful technology only for punishment! Wanna learn a language? Here are 20 years of memory as a native speaker. Learn an instrument? Why not take 5 minutes to have 10 years of experience doing it. You can literally "live" millennia and accumulate libraries worth of knowledge and abilities in a few weeks or month. This should give an extreme push in development of technology and science to a society...but they chose to use it as punishment??? What a waste...
    And, yes, of course there probably is a toll when you experience several lifetimes worth of virtual memories and interactions instead of reality. You will get closer to non-existing NPCs than you will ever get to real people...but it's worth discussing, if that is really a problem. As Cypher stated in Matrix: When you experience it as reality, is it really that much different than actual reality? And you can also limit it to only short intervals, like in "Total Recall", where you will get 2 weeks worth of your favorite vacation in just a few minutes. Imagine school that way! Going to school for a whole week, yet when you wake up, you have the same week off^^
    That tech is totally OP, which probably is the reason why they never used it again...or the company that produced Holosuite programs nuked their planet to get rid of this competitor with superior product.

    • @YouthRightsRadical
      @YouthRightsRadical Год назад

      Do we actually know the Argrathi only use it for punishment? For all we know, it's used for all those things within their society, but Miles just got to experience the prison part.

  • @tigrecito48
    @tigrecito48 Год назад

    0:50 i applaud your channel for helping out a hobo with a job, especially at Christmas when he was probably very cold & hungry! way to go TrekCulture!

  • @CHASEMARC
    @CHASEMARC Год назад +2

    Q showing up in the continuum with a fat lip and black eye after Sisko punched him, 😆 🤣 😂

  • @stephenblevins3829
    @stephenblevins3829 Год назад +4

    I don't think many of these would actually be all that awkward. We are looking at it through the lens of today's societal interpretation. Humanity has supposedly evolved in Star Trek, so I think a lot of that would not be as awkward as we would think it would be today.

  • @lindaschulman1789
    @lindaschulman1789 Год назад +2

    You did a great job!!
    I don’t think we have to worry about the tribbles being sent to the Klingons. They wouldn’t feed them, the fluff balls wouldn’t multiply, and all would be happy!

    • @prion42
      @prion42 Год назад +1

      Also Klingon food can fight back, some of the tribbles probably got eaten.

  • @andeeharry
    @andeeharry Год назад +3

    Starfleet is like a business, you do your job, face whatever, and you sort of live and forget what happens around you. You face every situation differently, ugly things happen, strange things happens and any awkwardness shared between you and your coworkers are brushed asside and ignored. Any personal feelings would be pushed aside until it was time for them to retire....if possible. It could explain many things mainly.
    B'Elana very rarely went to Sick Bay after watching the Doctor's fantasy dream.
    Jayneway and Chakotay faced a lot together and the sickness they faced sort of finished it. Afterwards, they just drifted apart.
    Regonald Barclay. He went through a lot and he is lucky to still have a job. He is forever watched and his voice and words are dismissed. His reputation has been dented, however, I am sure tthat would change after establishing contact with Voyager, unless he lost his job for disobeying orders.
    Harry Kim. He went through a lot, actor and character. The writers never planned to do anything with him and like, I am sure with everything he faced, he will be secretly glad that he never went further. he did try to prove himself quite a lot for the wrong reasons and he is lucky to still be around after engaging in inappropriate behaviour, breaking protocols, arguing with a senior officer and whatever.
    Wolf: He faces a lot of embarrassment, so he just ignores it anyway. even if he was a Merry Man.
    Councillor Troi: I am sure she was embarrassed, as you can tell from the way she talks to Reg after the Holodeck.
    Anyone else embarrassed? bah, I am sure they all could have been and just shrugged it off
    ,

  • @jacobslavek2136
    @jacobslavek2136 Год назад +1

    I never noticed before that at 6:40 Spock tugs at his shirt just like Picard would.

  • @lonewoof79
    @lonewoof79 Год назад +2

    Before the speed limit episode, traveling at max speed would either burn out the engines or fly the ship apart. After that episode the order was maximum warp. Which means "maximum warp" was warp 5 or the ship was replaced by a identical but stronger ship.

  • @thebullet7874
    @thebullet7874 Год назад +4

    Well done for your debut. Thanks.

  • @jacara1981
    @jacara1981 Год назад +2

    The Warp 5 speed limit has some off screen sources as to what happened to it. Star Fleet developed Variable Warp Bubble Geometry (Voyager) with moving nacelles. However they later they managed to find a way to do the same thing using only the Deflectors allowing all ships to once again travel faster than warp 5 openly.

  • @grahamcann1761
    @grahamcann1761 Год назад +1

    Well done Tom.
    As always thank you so very much for the video.

  • @brandonlink6568
    @brandonlink6568 Год назад +1

    There's also the fact that B'elanna watched Harry get sucked in to space and Wildman loses her newborn daughter only for both to come back as doppelgangers

  • @maeve615
    @maeve615 Год назад

    Inner Light twisted me up as a kid. It aired around the same time I started having reoccurring dreams of living a different life. That alternate life would haunt for the next two decades.

  • @BelieveIt1051
    @BelieveIt1051 Год назад +2

    Yeah, Janeway's mandatory court-martial. Picard revealed that any captain who loses control of his or her ship faces an automatic court-martial to determine if the captain deserves punishment for losing control of the ship. Janeway lost control of it at least once to the Kazon. So this court-martial would likely lead to other lines of inquiry regarding all of Janeway's questionable decisions. I'm sure many members of the crew came to her defense however.

  • @marcusflatt9084
    @marcusflatt9084 Год назад +1

    In the novels, which may or may not be cannon, Klingons started keeping a creature on board to eat the tribbles that occasionally infested engineering decks. One of the side benefits of such a policy is those creatures had a tendency to attack intruders, as well.

  • @getnohappy
    @getnohappy Год назад +2

    #10, an episode of DS9 (Miridian) does state there is a law about recreating someone without their consent. I hope it's called "Barclay's law".

  • @johannaverplank4858
    @johannaverplank4858 Год назад

    I’ve always thought that when Picard awoke from his 40 years as Kamin, it was kind of like awaking from a dream. I’ve had incredibly realistic dreams, but when I wake up the confusion subsides and I’m back to my life. I think that’s what it was like for Picard, except me may have needed a day or two to get back to normal. Great video! I enjoyed it.

  • @Darrenwheeler1
    @Darrenwheeler1 Год назад +2

    Geordie: Recreating real people is bad.
    Reg: How's Holo-Leah?

  • @thebagfather4633
    @thebagfather4633 Год назад +4

    in the original ep mirror mirror .kirk has a relationship with a young lady only to find her counter part on the enterprise when they got back. i wonder if he tried with her or just left it .and not saying anything to the crew or her.

  • @janders79
    @janders79 Год назад +1

    "Inner Light" was a hell of a lot longer than a decade.

  • @Calzaki
    @Calzaki Год назад +2

    In DS9 it was established its now illegal to enter someone else's holodeck programme without permission (although they still seemed to barge in all the time in voyager) and it was also illegal when Quark tried to recreate Kira as a hologram

  • @MalachiBurke
    @MalachiBurke Год назад +1

    "Hard time" = inner light, but with nonstop trauma

  • @JustBen81
    @JustBen81 Год назад +6

    According to the subtitles (4:09) Picard was tortured by "the Kardashians" hasn't the man suffered enough? Did they really have to expose him to reality TV?

  • @indetigersscifireview4360
    @indetigersscifireview4360 Год назад +2

    Picard says nothing like this has ever happened before when Riker is given Q powers. Perhaps Kirk and crew were loyal enough to Gary Mitchell that they kept it secret he gained god like powers. But if Picard knew what happened to Mitchell then he must have entertained the thought of killing Riker. Which would make things awkward for awhile at least.
    What about Captain Ron Tracy's return to the Federation after The Omega Glory where he has to explain that he very nearly wiped out the entirety of Americans on an alternate Earth?

    • @MahsaKaerra
      @MahsaKaerra Год назад +1

      I guess the situation there is "technically" different, in that Riker's powers were granted to him by Q and could just as easily be taken away if he acts in a way that does not satisfy Q's interests. Whereas Mitchell's powers were accidental.

    • @indetigersscifireview4360
      @indetigersscifireview4360 Год назад

      @@MahsaKaerra Q could take back the power for sure. But the awkward part is, if Picard knew about Mitchell's powers, he must have thought about killing Riker if only for a moment. Which must have made him uncomfortable for awhile.

  • @chuckh4553
    @chuckh4553 Год назад +2

    Great job doing the voice work and the edits!

  • @fontzie_
    @fontzie_ Год назад

    Great job on the episode, thanks.