@@damselettefan Eula was great when she first release. Her major problem is that she is a physical damage dealer in a game centered on elemental reactions, who got better and better supports and dps who can utilise them every patch. Mika was too little and too late. She didnt age well but calling her bad in 1.5 is objectively wrong.
All x.5 character isn't good in the initial release. Slightly Eula fixed when Raiden Release Yae Miko fixed when Nahida and Dendro reaction release Dehya slightly fixed ? But still bad even Furina release
@@ArtanBlacknight tru, im also pretty sure the transformative reaction buff or whatever was around 1.6 so that also made physical even less relevant (i forogt)
10:44 knowing modern Hoyo, they're likely going to balance most future characters that can potentially be synergistic with Gorou to either barely function without him or require him to be present
@@musicaddict9058Mihoyo knows when to make a character good and when to fuck them up, you can't tell me the same people who made Yelan and Furina look and Dehya and say she is good enough
@@yahia5476 They can make chiori good without making her a healer. They probably won't make her a healer tho, because then all of the navia and itto mains problems will be solved. Instead they'll probably give them an albedo upgrade, and then wait half a year to sell people actual geo healer.
What Itto needs is a charge attack buffer, a healer, or some kind of character that combines one of those with decent personal damage. If hoyo was feeling spicy they could do all three I’m personally hoping for a charge attack buffer since that seems that most realistic. Something like Shenhe, Yunjin, and soon CR
The difference is that Gorou buffs are based on the number of geo characters, while Sara and Faruzan don’t care about the number of electro or anemia characters on your team. He does this and heals (a negligent amount) instead of outputting damage
Anemia chars? Sorry just lol'd so hard. That would be Bennet and Kazuha (Nahida, prolly). They've been carrying a lot of teams since their release. They badly need to rest. 😂😂😂
Personally what I would like to see out of a new geo character is, an EM scaling skill with an AOE field the size of Albedo's that moderately pulls enemies (and crystalize shards) towards the center while doing periodic geo damage. The burst would be a much stronger initial grouping and single instance of damage that then redeploys the skill's field for 100% uptime on it. Design-wise it could appear like the AOE quicksand like attack that the ruin serpent uses. Making the damage EM scaling would make the crystalize shields not completely useless even if it does deviate from the established def% theme. At this point Anemo's strangle hold on grouping mechanics has gone of long enough.
i personally just wish for her to be a teamwide healer so that way both navia and itto can finally work with furina.. this would also fix itto's problem of not having enough synergistic teammates. whatever else she does other than that, idc much...
but furina aside, geo is still lacking a healer anyway. the best teamwide healers rn (off-field) are jean and baizhu, both of which doesn't work with geo
If she's a buff plus damage I think there will automatically be synergy there with navia as long as it's a damage percent buff ( which makes the most sense since gorou gives more Def) She will help create crystalizes with her skill and also buff based on those crystalizes. Chiori damage will be lower cuz no gorou which is why it's not inherent synergy but I'm pretty sure most leaks say she will have *some* synergy with navia
I would suprise if they don't realise a charatcer who can work with Navia AND Itto the same time. It would be really strange, espeically how popular Navia is in general.
yeah this is much better thought out than just "oh she should be geo healer to slap furina in the team" i mean yeah, that should be a possibility in the future, but the kits that zajeff mentions are more important imo. and it's important to make one of those be very good, as a limited 5 star. (fitting either as a buff, buff+dmg, or dmg)
Geo's biggest issue is simply the lack of geo characters. Itto teams don't need variety so much as the geo element itself does. Hopefully they tackle it in a more interesting way than Unga Bunga like they did Navia and Itto going forward.
@@seph4707nope not really , Navia is very different from itto you should always stack more crystalized in order to get high DMG as possible compare to itto always rely in Brute Force. Navia is very good for Geo since she able to use Crystalized in different way. I have both Navia and Ittou.
@@yoiko89 Navia literally just hits really really hard with her skill as an atk scaling unit with bennet as support. Its fun and satisfying but very unga bunga.
I would LOVE more characters to synergize with gorou. I adore him but don't really have many characters I can team up and want to play with him except for albedo🥺
I agreed that we need characters outside of Geo that scale with DEF, and I disagreed saying Navia is cosmetic Geo, that's cringe because is ignoring one of the gimmicks that always haved Geo but was ignored since the start of the game, cristalize, every element have a reaction gimmick and saying one element should be specialice on no reaction is stupid because all element can be mono used, just in practice not all elements have the characters or kits to doing so well like Geo, now that Geo haved finally a character that made usefull the cristalize reaction and ignore it, is just plain stupid. Another example, Wanderer and Xiao are characters that don't want VV as their artifact set, but we don't called them aestetic Anemo because they don't do what other Anemo characters does, and use VV to swirl and shred weakness of X element. And for finally, not even physical have interaction, and physical is the real mono "element", you use super conduct for shred physical res. I think Zajef is to obsessed for Geo to be mono element, even is ignoring Noelle now have Furina to make that "perfect" team that he was put on the example of saying Geo have no complete teams.
Crystallize is just gimmick to make you think that way. Navia cares only about her pellet stacks. Shards were attached to that mechanic artficially, there is not much interaction between them. Her ult proves that giving her single stack every 2.4 sec without any crystallize reaction. With C6 she barely needs crystallize at all.
I was really hoping for a teamwide Geo healer to enable Itto - Gorou - Furina. Tbh Gorou teams would really function best with the 4th element being something that can be crystalized, his burst is literally designed to work with that. The problem is not having a very synergistic off-field applicator because it both needs to not be reliant on normal attacks, not be too energy reliant, and needs to also dmg/buff/heal. This leaves few options, like Fischl, Kokomi, and Kuki, who all work fine depending on what you are fighting, but don't really provide more value than Zhongli. Furina would be great here since she not only has very reliable off-field hydro application, but also provides a massive buff that Itto really welcomes. The only problem is not having a good healer to pair this with and it would ideal if this teamwide healer was Geo. Even a teamwide healer of a different element (not anemo, preferably hydro for less energy issues between them and Furina) with good particle generation would work fine here, but there is again no ideal option. The best two are probably Baizhu and Charlotte, but they will have energy issues and their elemental applications will reduce crystallize formation. I would probably try the Itto, Gorou, Furina, Baizhu team if I actually had Baizhu, but he is not synergistic enough for me to pull him. Charlotte is much more energy reliant on Baizhu and she has much higher field time from fully charging her skill for those much needed energy particles.
They stuff he said about Itto having very specific teams is SO true, I’ve had him since release and I always struggle making teams around him. He does loads of damage in that one team but everywhere else he could be swapped with someone else and it would be better.
Fr, he's the only character I regret pulling for. His personality is great, but it's hard to justify playing him without Zhongli or Albedo (and I don't have either of em).
Unfortunately he was kind of designed to fit in that singular team Hoyo knows if they give General Geo supports they're going to end up buffing the already massive output itto has with his current suboptimal team
Itto doesn't need a support that synergies with gorou (aka can be buffed by gorou) because albedo is already that and look how his team with itto is doing (fine), zajef specified without needing to be geo too which means no 3 geo. Or if you still play with albedo for 3rd geo then no defensive option and if with zhongli then at that point just play itto with gorou, zhongli and whoever the fk. My point is, furina is very broken all non conventional elements (geo and anemo). She forms xiao and wanderers strongest teams dps wise. Of course not always will they be the best but you get what I mean. If we can get furina to work with itto, it will be insane. I mean navia is geo and works with furina and look at how strong she is. What we need is a geo healer to fulfill gorous 3 geo and heal for furina.
Do you really consider Navia geo character? Where she have no synergy with geo whatsoever? Apart from doing Goe dmg but require you to have different elements?
@@yakimlukanov6964 just like albedo and zhong li were before her, I know a lot of Itto fans love mono geo, but would be a huge waste if the entire element was made to serve just one play style.
Why not Replace Gorou (Make Chiori a healer and support for itto) Gorou is very restricted character, that why Arataki also suffer from that doggy. The only thing that make Geo worst element having a mono Geo comps (Because of Gorou)
@seishin7422 gorou is the biggest buff for itto. He give geo dmg bonus and defense (and crit dmg at C6). If you lose him it's like removing bennet for navia teams. It can still work but with gorou it'll be better. Now the thing with gorous buff is that I need 3 geo. Excluding gorou himself and itto he needs 1 additional geo. What this means is that if chiori heals, then you would both have gorou full buff plus a healer that can enable furina in their team
I hope from Chiori to be also a very good healer; on top of her buffs, and able to put a construct; so Itto's best team will be: Itto, Chiori, Furina, and C6 Gourou. Itto by that way will get the same treatment as Xiao to Cloud Retainer, and Cyno to Baizuh.
Cold take. Good healing would be very bad for Chiori's power budget. Also your view of those two new characters as buffs to the old ones is the worst part of this take. They superficially synergize the best, but actually their synergy doesn't matter as much for the new ones, so they should be viewed in different terms than "Xiao buff" or "Cyno buff".
I think there's a disconnect between what Geo needs and what zajef is saying here. Geo doesn't need a unit that synergizes with itto and gorou, ITTO needs that unit, one team needs that unit. I don't know why we're acting like Itto hypercarry is the way that every geo team needs to function from now until the end of time. Now that Navia has released and changed what a Geo unit can functionally be I think we need to look more towards what type of units can be used in that type of gameplay while also benefitting previous geo units like itto. Let's remember that gorou is a dedicated support for Itto, just like sarah is a dedicated support for raiden, I wouldn't say that electro as a whole needs more units that benefit sarah teams or raiden hypercarry, so why are we saying that for itto/gorou. A theoretical geo unit that would accomplish this IMO is a geo unit that is a dedicated healer and gives buffs based on crystalize shields gained. Kind of like an innate archaic petra 4pc but from off field and also buffing geo damage. IMO Geo units should work better when combined with other elements, genshin has always been about reactions and combining elements so it seems weird to want an element to only synergize with itself. Geo needs more units that benefit and incentivize crystalize. Honestly I'm just so done with mono-geo as a concept, it's just boring and puts artificial restrictions on team building. Gorou working based off of the number of geo units in your party was a mistake and has ruined people's perception on what geo actually needs
I see your point but what matters is not what you think or I think or what could have been. It's what the company has already went with so when you do suggest or talk about a future unit you should take into account what has already happened rather than what could have been or dulling down an entire design perspective they with as a mistake
The thing is if we want to take advantage of geo resonance, we need a shielder or generate crystals... I hope this new unit replaces Zhongli and not albedo who has some personal damage at least.
@@Relevart9169 Ning carries prototype amber, which helps you get a lot more furina stacks. Alternatively, you can use TTDS in non furina teams, or just build her for damage. All this on top of generating consistent amount of energy for navia unlike zhongli when his pillar breaks. The only thing zhongli has is his 10% team damage from 20% shred, and literally nothing else. And when his pillar breaks, you are fkd unless you build 140+ ER on navia.
@@musicaddict9058 making a 4* atk scaling dps into a mediocre healer with a specific weapon doesn't outweight infinite shield off field geo and geo shred but to each their own
Wouldn't a good Geo Healer basically work well as a Zhongli replacement? The Crystalize shields from Furina would mean you don't have to worry about being staggered, and the healing and Defense buffs from Geo Healer + Gorou would sustain you through any damage that gets through. The Geo Healer might want to do more than just healing, but if they provided any buffs or off-field damage at all they would be an excellent addition to the team.
big geo mc buff if real. Considering that most geo characters have 0-1 of them, Geo MC should be able to max out the buff rather easily. Ult alone is 5 constructs + you can spam long lasting rocks with E. Also they're already a good battery, have 10%* crit rate buff and the dmg scaling for E isn't even bad
It's kinda of copium, but i hope hoyo make her do something new. You know because they were mostly doing it in Fontaine, chev with overload, lyney with mono pyro, navia with crystalize, freminet with shatter, and furina and CR prioritizing healing and plunge attack I would love to see her change the way geo constructs work
It's so weird that all fontain units were good, and new stuff that I can't get rid of feeling that every next new character will be dogshit or just extremely niche like chiori being some kind of geo shenhe working in basically one team. We can have her being geo healer with some dmg and a bit of buffs depending one number of generated crysalyzes and geo constructs, but isn't it too much good units in one region cycle? considering that for arlechino chlorinde and others we also have high expectations
New in Geo construct make them movable. Only thing i think need Geo construct is ability to walk or having feet. If Geo construct able to deconstruct and reconstruction why not.
Probably not optimal but Gorou can technically be used with any claymore character IF they have redhorn equipped. Because he boost def, then that means anyone can make use of redhorn's passive. Could make for a meme build though.
I really dislike this narrative about Navia not being "real" geo unit. She literally is the "most" geo unit ever, because she use the only reaction the element have. She couldn't exist outside of geo, but Noelle, Albedo or Zhongli all could have been not geo and they still would work the same. Even Gorou could work, because you can just make more non-geo def scaleing charatcers. And no, you cannot just change Navia into any other element, because her kit only really works with the crystalise reacton, because how this reaction generate on-field stuff you can pick up or save up for her second shot. The only other reaction she could work with is bloom, but in thet case she would be just a downgrade to hyperbloom.
MH Itto with Gorou, Furina, and Mika honestly feels amazing. I originally called it a Copium Itto build until I realized it performed better than Itto, Gorou, Zhongli, Mona/Bennett. I underestimated the usefulness of attack speed on Itto. It makes getting stacks for his charged attack feel so much smoother. And of course pairing him with a Furina/Mika combo is going to more than make up for the 15% geo damage bonus you’re losing from Gorou’s E. You’re definitely a bit more dependent on having good ER substats though but I think it’s worth the grind if you want to push your Itto’s performance.
People talk about Itto, but the character that needs help the most is Albedo, because of their weird code on pathing, they were forced to allow bosses to one shot his skill which effectively murders his kit. If there's one character that deserves a rework outside of Dehya, that character is Albedo
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 nope entire team, by a lot too. She is straight up better Mika if you're not playing physical imo, but Mika comeback story got him a lot of fans among creators so people kinda forgot Charllote in the rush to record 10 different Furina videos 😅
What i would prefer Chiori Geo sword Atk ascension Na/ca : normal 4 hit combo Skill : Cooldown 12 sec waves her wardrobe around to deal aoe geo dmg based on atk Also heals partywide for a single instance based on atk (very low party heal) At 0 fashion points Chiori can gain fashion point Every 1 second upto max 6 Chiori can gain fashion stacks by either absorbing/creating/getting shielded through a crystallize shard ( each stack increases her party heal and at 6 comparable to baizhu) atk based heal increase Chiori can also gain 2 stacks for each geo constructs on field The interval for each stacks is 1 second The limit is shared Burst : cost : 70 deals a single instance of geo dmg in front of chiori and makes a formation that deals aoe geo dmg every 3 seconds based on her atk This burst give chiori max fashion stacks (for heals) This burst also reduces elemental resistance by 10 percent for every non geo element This resistance decrease can be doubled if there are 2 geo character in team Additionally chiori grants geo dmg bonus to every party members based on no. of geo characters 15/30 max at 2 geo This buff can coexist with each Passive one : each shard absorbed my team grants chiori 4 energy max 16 Passive 2 : chiori converts 40 percent of her defence to atk And her receives additional healing bonus based on her def ( so can be used on mono geo teams too )
"A fine addition to my collection." -Noelle mains Honestly, all I want is a 5* Gorou because I will never get his C6 if he is only on Itto banners and I already have C1 Itto but only C2 Gorou. Or a healer + buff to replace Zhongli in Itto teams would be an archonsend.
also they should start making more units that have moderate crowd control like chevreuse even if they're not anemo. i think it's on purpose to make anemo not as OP
As a Geo main, Constructs are some of the most interesting but the shittiest thing in the game... and unfortunately, construct logic is just crap.. they probably wont change it, even if its for the better..
"Navia isn't a real geo" ok so kazuha isn't really an anemo unit because you don't really want to use another anemo with him? When we get itto everyone complains you cannot really use him outside mono geo, but when they release a geo character that wants different elements (AND also makes crystallize useful) you say "they're not a real geo". Navia isn't a real geo because she wants OP non-geo characters like bennet, but Itto sucks, because bennet doesn't buff him that much? I don't understand what do you want geo to be.
These comments are so braindead holy shit. Zajef wants Chiori to work with Gorou because that'll give geo teams more options because hoyo already fucked up the element, Navia already has a million different teams cuz she's a basic ass attack scaling dps, she's fun and i love her but all these comments just going "Navia Navia Navia" holy shit, Chiori buffing Navia won't help geo
Yeah Miko wasn't nearly as bad as everyone be thinking... Even now, one of my favourite teams is the Raiden Inquisition which is an Electro Charged team with Miko, Koko, Sara and Ei. Ok - saying EC is part of the team is a bit of a stretch, but with Hakushin on Koko, it's used for buffing at least.
Meanwhile back then all people mostly stream said Yae Miko in initial release was trash. I have Yae Miko I was one of few people who get her in initial release I suffer alot of negative comment before.
@@yoiko89I rewatched all the videos on Yae when released, and even compared them to videos about her first rerun (post dendro). Miko's reputation was trashed. I've only seen Dehya be worse (and aside from numbers, for a lot of the same reasons). It took until her 3rd banner to consistently see Miko properly praised and not regularly see misinformation spread about her (like her on field time being incorrectly calculated). Never mind the fact she's actually been meta (more successful statistically) since release, and outperformed characters that were perceived as better than her (cough cough Ganyu). That time period is also precisely why I refuse to pull Kazuha. People were thirsting for his rerun before Yae was in beta. And one of the reasons she was trashed because "skip for Kazuha". Skip both her and Ayato for Kazuha. Despite having no where near the same roles. It's why his "underrated" period didn't actually exist. He was considered godlike broken almost immediately. Kokomi and Yae needed a solid year+ to be considered as good as they are now.
Thats why noelle became a better character than itto, she can utilize furina good since shes one of the best BUFF+DMG character you can have for your flex spot
I was so excited for Navia to get a dedicated support or sub-dps. These leaks if true are disappointing, tho it does mean I have more primos for other characters I guess
Even Navia don't need support at least make another Geo who can replace MC Geo, zhongli, Albedo or ningguang in Navia team. Yeah kinda agree with your statement, after I saw the leaks I was thinking to skip Chiori and get another unit.
Honestly, geo could be fixed so ridiculously easily if they just released an off-field geo healer. If we had an off field healer for geo that could help with Furina's dmg bonus that could unlock so many potential teams that can feature a double geo + Furina core where you can go with either triple geo+Furina, 2geo+2hydro, 2geo+Furina+1electro/pyro/cryo, etc. Furina could be an amazing buffer for geo since she gives a universal dmg buff but aside from on-fielding Noelle, there's not really a good healer option to capitalize on Furina's support. Even if Chiori doesn't have any healing capabilities I hope HYV at releases a geo healer sooner than later even if they're a 4 star character.
@@lostblueboyNo, it's like asking for a character that can buff Hu Tao, Klee, and Diluc, because that would be better than only buffing one or the other. There's nothing to be gained for us to deny flexible supports.
I hope it's not a dynamic buff based on how many Constructs are on the field at a time. I hope it's a stacking thing like Furina. That way even if the Construct is destroyed, the buff won't drop
I fcking want to play Itto in double GEO team and have the last to slots for other elements. So if Chiori is healer and def/CA buffer it will be great.
Regarding the "Geo needs someone else that works with gorou": I think the opposite. Geo needs a new Gorou-like unit that is more universal. Ditch the DEF% bonus altogether and make this theoretical unit only give stuff that every Geo can benefit from such as geo damage bonus and/or crit buffs. (Enemy Geo resistance shred could be included as well tbh) Also, this theoretical Gorou replacement should not require the team to run multiple Geo units to reach the buffs maximum potential so the player should still have two non-geo slots open.
Given this information I struggle to see who Chiori would team with beyond Albedo and maybe geo MC/Ning. The leak states she doesn't work with Navia, she can't realistically replace Zhongli in mono-geo because you don't generate crystalizes in a full geo team outside of specific enemies, and Gorou doesn't have a geo construct. Maybe you'd have to run something like Itto/Albedo/Chiori/Bennet? Seems cringe.
We don't know the max cap. Maybe you just need 3 or something like that. Gorou only need 3 geo for his buff and there cant' be more that 3 shards on the field so 3 is a good number I think. Adding to that, I wouldn't be surprised if she works with Navia, Leaker tc isn't the best.
Not to ruin Zajef's party but I don't really like the idea of Chiori working with DEF Geo units. I want more Geo units like Navia who can work with other elements and not be restricted to the same team comp that has little to no variety. Trying to make her work with Gorou would pretty much force her to be on Mono Geo only and farm Husk. But well, knowing that Hoyo would ruin a character in order to make it work with only one mediocre character, it wouldn't surprise me though it's still depressing.
I honestly just want Geo constructs scale on the characters main attributes like HP or DEF, like they do with Ningguang's screen and Itto's ushi. that will be so good for Albedo and Zhongli havers but moreover, we need more characters like Navia and Chiori incentivize crystallize as their benefit, brute force wasn't special for Geo anymore since there's many mono elemental teams nowadays.
I mostly hoped Chiori was gonna be an Atk buffer that could also heal so she with her crystallize shields could be the mussing link in a Wanderer Furina team
If she really works with both constructs and crystallize shards, then she can work with all other 5* geo units, including Navia. That's much more important than working with Gorou and over evaluating Def scaling. If the leak is correct and her E has a good uptime and her Q is a decent dmg buff, then she could work with so many teams, like a Geo Yellan. I kinda want her to make geo constructs great again. Them I'll have a reason to play geoMC and pull for Zhongli.
The best last fourth flux slot for Itto is Kuki. She can hold tenacity and she provides a healing ring that follows the character around, Which is better then forcing a synergy with Bennett. She literally fixes your geo issue lol. But this is why she was never bad even before dendro. She was a great Itto flex slot and role consolidated Eula teams so you could put more damage based sub dps into them.
Chiori doesn’t elevate Geo. Powercreeping Albedo is cringe and embarrassing. It’s Chiover for Chisorry. Chiori banner sales will be low. Geo character? Needs Geo constructs? Mono geo? Ugh. Geo is the worst element. Definitely low sales. Geo is a dead element. 🪦☠️ Navia’s banner managed to sell well because she avoided being a Geo character. she avoided the stale mono geo. she avoided geo constructs. she avoided making use of Crystallize’s flimsy shields; and instead used Crystallize shards as gimmick for her ammo. the most incompetent and lousiest parts of Geo, she dodged them all and that is why she managed to be a great “geo” character.
i’ve said this elsewhere but what i really think Itto (and geo in general) needs is an alternative to Gorou so we can have more geo team options - iirc Gorou is the ONLY character as of 4.3 with a teamwide DEF buff but since you also want his geo DMG and interruption resistance buffs for characters like Itto then you need to go 3 geo 1 flex which heavily restricts team options… so if hoyo could just give us another DEF buffer without the team restrictions Gorou has, then that opens the door for geo team templates! alternatively, if hoyo wants to stick with Gorou being our only DEF buffer, then at least give us a good geo team-wide healer so we can throw Furina in the flex slot lmao
I kinda maybe pulled Navia as a friend for Chiori (and I was bored of not pulling) so I kinda need them to work together. May not even get Chiori if this stuff's right because my only Geo characters are Yun Jin, Zhongli and Navia so...
not the point of the video but i really disagree with the idea that sara is a garbage unit who can only be used to buff raiden in hyper teams with her c6. yes her c6 is great but so is the c6 on almost every other unit, and unlike a lot of 4 stars (contrary to what ppl seem to think) she has a lot going for her even without her c6. She applies an ok amount of electro, has a big nuke for a burst, and provides the same attack buff as c0 bennet which is like 85-90% as good. an idea i've had before is to build a wanderer taser team, with scara on vv, sara, literally any of the hydro units, and a flex slot. it could be beidou/xq for a ton of defensive utility, or furina with a healer, or literally whatever you want, and yes bennet provides healing and slightly more buff but sara's respectable damage, the possibility of getting electro resonance which is pretty big for energy generation, and her electro app which is more than enough for taser in aoe, make her a genuinely good unit who doesn't exclusively have to be used with electro carries. and if you dont agree that she's a good unit in general i think playing vv scara, sara, xq and beidou sounds a hell of a lot more comfortable and versatile than his usual teams, and yh maybe bennet and faruzan will give a bit more damage at very high investment but there's no good reason not to consider this too especially for the 99% of people who don't whale. i genuinely don't have a clue why people see that her c6 only works for electro damage and translate that into "oh she can't be used with anything but electro hypercarries", zajef here literally said that we should have a non geo carry to use with gorou despite his c6 being the same, its hypoctrical af and everyone just hates on sara for no reason
6:33 I really don't get this point, like sure, Navia does not want more than one Geo, but at the same time, ¿Would you use 2 more Dendros in a Nahida team? HuTao doesn't need other 2 Pyros in her vape teams, and I don't think Kazuha would want many more anemos in his team. In my opinion Navia is so good because she is the best example of how to make a Geo unit, the old ones (Zhongli and Albedo) can fit in almost any random team you wanna play, even if is not the best, they are good filler units. However, unlike those 2 who are supports, Navia is a DPS so in her case you can put whatever random unit you have that is Pyro, Electro, Hydro or Cryo as a support and her DMG is gonna be very high (because again, she is a DPS). This whole part of the video feels more like an Itto problem, than a Geo problem.
Itto Albedo Gorou and Furina Even if I can't get the full stacks for Furina, I still go with this team. 1. Furina even if her pets won't deal as high damage as when your party gets fully healed, she will still deal more damage than Zhongli. 2. You lose the 20% resistance shred from Zhongli, but even with the low fanfare stacks from Furina you can get from Gorou heals should be enough to offset the 10% dmg bonus. I expect the res shred to be halved because it goes to negative resistance. Geo resonance already gives 20% Geo res shred. I have C1 Furina though so solves half the problem. Getting C2 Furina will solved 75% by letting me get full fanfare stacks. Remaining problem is not having stronger skill damage from pets.
Do you try and dodge hits ?since your team will always be on. A low Hp an Itto on his burst mode Elemental and Physical RES it's decreased by 20%. I would like to see you playing ur team on F12 😂
The only thing geos really need, is be capeble of break more elemental shields. Besides that, the element is pretty fine with you actually play with. Or Mihoyo stop been shy with Geo and send more characters
this is what i'm talking about, people talk like they know everything about geo they don't even play it. they keep leaning on crystallize nonsense reactions, when the biggest problem here is geo not being able to break elemental shields properly
I love geo, they're strong if you have completed member and build them right Mono geo is strong, but monoton I agree we need something new to geo. Just strong not enough, I want fun team.
Also the "adjusting for community perception" clause 😂 As much as i understand the good intention, i think the audience would be better off with more objectivity
Eula is bad in initial release - Now perfect paired for Raiden but slightly bad for other people who don't like physical. Yae Miko is bad in initial release - Viable Good in Dendro team Dehya is bad in initial release - now Still Bad. Chiori possible end up bad in initial release and become good in Natlan.
@@yoiko89 Eula was better at release then today, waaaay less competition and lots of freezable enemies. Before Inazuma with lots of machines physical was at its peak.
@@rafael_lanaI almost playing this game from 1.0 , I see everything that genshin have all character in x.5 was cursed being worst or niche. Eula isn't good now just look what ranking Eula now 😅. x.5 character always fixed after next region or next Archon so if I'm right Chiori will be ATK scale with confusing ability that have connections to Pyro Archon.
@@yoiko89 I'm not almost a 1.0 player, I'm fully one since day 1. My entire point of the "curse" is looking at what they were at RELEASE, not what they became later. Eula is below average later, at release she was the 2/3rd best dps in the game. And maintained that position untill Inazuma released with lots of machines (huge phys res), better dps and total lack of support for physical.
@@yoiko89 she still needs a second geo for geo resonance. Yes she wants bennet which is rare for geo. But she still wants zhongli for the resonance and his shred. She's just the first character that doesn't want a full geo team. Which to me is an easy skip considering her best artifact set also only works for her and ningguang and is incredibly inefficient resin wise. All these negatives make her not worth it for me.
Another option for Geo teams would be to add a debuffer... I know Zhongli has a debuff but it is kinda nothing considering Geo Resonance already debuffs the enemy. Now that I see it, Genshin has very limited ways to debuff the enemy. It would be cool to have a character that lowers DEF like Lisa, but that isn´t as cringe to play as Lisa lmao something like Klee C2, without having to pay for a Klee C2.
Zajef: Patch x.5 curse? It wasn't that bad ...
Also Zajef: Scrolling down to patch 3.5 Dehya ... yeah ok ...
pre dendro yae and eula too😔😔🙏
@@damselettefan Eula was great when she first release. Her major problem is that she is a physical damage dealer in a game centered on elemental reactions, who got better and better supports and dps who can utilise them every patch. Mika was too little and too late. She didnt age well but calling her bad in 1.5 is objectively wrong.
All x.5 character isn't good in the initial release.
Slightly Eula fixed when Raiden Release
Yae Miko fixed when Nahida and Dendro reaction release
Dehya slightly fixed ? But still bad even Furina release
His expressions really sold it
@@ArtanBlacknight tru, im also pretty sure the transformative reaction buff or whatever was around 1.6 so that also made physical even less relevant (i forogt)
This is my favorite episode so far because it's a geo discussion
same - I'm so happy to see more people talking about geo's problems xD
10:44 knowing modern Hoyo, they're likely going to balance most future characters that can potentially be synergistic with Gorou to either barely function without him or require him to be present
And they would still only rerun him on Itto’s (nonexistent) banners. A classic scumbag Hoyoverse move.
Is it me or is the last two parts of ur comment the same thing? Requiring someone to function is the same as barely functioning without them no?
@@aerynaegi8367 sorry I wasn't clear, just didn't want to contrast the first one by saying they would be dogshit
That would suck but as a C6 Gorou enjoyer I'm fine with it lmao
@@dr.strange1300not everyone has a c6 Gorou. Not sure why people can’t think past themselves.
If Chiori comes out like Baizhu who buff and heal then Itto team will level up. You can now put furina in the team.
That would make too much sense, cuz she would buff both navia and itto, but mihoyo isn't particularly good at making sense, so probably won't happen.
@@musicaddict9058Mihoyo knows when to make a character good and when to fuck them up, you can't tell me the same people who made Yelan and Furina look and Dehya and say she is good enough
@@yahia5476 They can make chiori good without making her a healer. They probably won't make her a healer tho, because then all of the navia and itto mains problems will be solved. Instead they'll probably give them an albedo upgrade, and then wait half a year to sell people actual geo healer.
Mihoyo releasing two 5* limited healers in a row would be surprising
@@musicaddict9058not necessarily if she just buffs def instead of dmg
What Itto needs is a charge attack buffer, a healer, or some kind of character that combines one of those with decent personal damage. If hoyo was feeling spicy they could do all three
I’m personally hoping for a charge attack buffer since that seems that most realistic. Something like Shenhe, Yunjin, and soon CR
Hoyo will never do it cuz of Hu Tao. She'll evaporate every boss in a single rotation then
@@MasterMEGAHunter I think a more scarier reason would be neuvillette. Since he reliant on his charge attacks for his already extreamly high damage
@@thezard7013 yeah, he's too
@@thezard7013 Yeah they kind of backed themselves into a corner with him
@@MasterMEGAHunterwatch them specify the charged attack buff to GEO charged attacks only lol
The difference is that Gorou buffs are based on the number of geo characters, while Sara and Faruzan don’t care about the number of electro or anemia characters on your team. He does this and heals (a negligent amount) instead of outputting damage
Anemia chars? Sorry just lol'd so hard. That would be Bennet and Kazuha (Nahida, prolly). They've been carrying a lot of teams since their release. They badly need to rest. 😂😂😂
Anemia? do you know what anemia means? 😂
Navia is the most fun char so far in the game and she only has 2 flaws. Her shoes and her idle moaning.
Add her english voice and "ATTACK!!" to the list as well.
@@jackjohnson8305 GoodTake
@@jackjohnson8305its perfect
@@jackjohnson8305I agree she sounds like a little girl
What’s wrong with her shoes?
Personally what I would like to see out of a new geo character is, an EM scaling skill with an AOE field the size of Albedo's that moderately pulls enemies (and crystalize shards) towards the center while doing periodic geo damage. The burst would be a much stronger initial grouping and single instance of damage that then redeploys the skill's field for 100% uptime on it. Design-wise it could appear like the AOE quicksand like attack that the ruin serpent uses. Making the damage EM scaling would make the crystalize shields not completely useless even if it does deviate from the established def% theme. At this point Anemo's strangle hold on grouping mechanics has gone of long enough.
Yes, Geo CC is so needed. People say Zhongli's petrify is good, it's really not.
Then they'd also benefit from Albedo's burst, perfect.
I hope that Chiori somehow let you stack the crystalize shield into a bigger shield would 100% make her viable for both Navia and mono geo I think
nahhhhh. She should not work with navia, navia is not truggling in terms of damage or teams. Its better if she is fully and wholly geo support.
if she has a dmg% buff it'll be enough to make her work with both. She just needs to be the ''press button and swap out'' character for that
@@lostblueboyThat seems like a pointlessly selfish wish. There's no advantage to making her compatible with less units.
i personally just wish for her to be a teamwide healer so that way both navia and itto can finally work with furina.. this would also fix itto's problem of not having enough synergistic teammates. whatever else she does other than that, idc much...
but furina aside, geo is still lacking a healer anyway. the best teamwide healers rn (off-field) are jean and baizhu, both of which doesn't work with geo
If she's a buff plus damage
I think there will automatically be synergy there with navia as long as it's a damage percent buff ( which makes the most sense since gorou gives more Def)
She will help create crystalizes with her skill and also buff based on those crystalizes. Chiori damage will be lower cuz no gorou which is why it's not inherent synergy but I'm pretty sure most leaks say she will have *some* synergy with navia
I would suprise if they don't realise a charatcer who can work with Navia AND Itto the same time. It would be really strange, espeically how popular Navia is in general.
Chorizo
yeah this is much better thought out than just "oh she should be geo healer to slap furina in the team" i mean yeah, that should be a possibility in the future, but the kits that zajeff mentions are more important imo. and it's important to make one of those be very good, as a limited 5 star. (fitting either as a buff, buff+dmg, or dmg)
Geo's biggest issue is simply the lack of geo characters. Itto teams don't need variety so much as the geo element itself does.
Hopefully they tackle it in a more interesting way than Unga Bunga like they did Navia and Itto going forward.
Geo definitely needs a healer.
Look like their going back to Unga bunga rather than continue the Navia path
@@yoiko89 Navia is very Unga Bunga already
@@seph4707nope not really , Navia is very different from itto you should always stack more crystalized in order to get high DMG as possible compare to itto always rely in Brute Force.
Navia is very good for Geo since she able to use Crystalized in different way.
I have both Navia and Ittou.
@@yoiko89 Navia literally just hits really really hard with her skill as an atk scaling unit with bennet as support. Its fun and satisfying but very unga bunga.
I would LOVE more characters to synergize with gorou. I adore him but don't really have many characters I can team up and want to play with him except for albedo🥺
Double Zajef, yay
Technically he doesn't run this channel, but true
Wait seriously
I agreed that we need characters outside of Geo that scale with DEF, and I disagreed saying Navia is cosmetic Geo, that's cringe because is ignoring one of the gimmicks that always haved Geo but was ignored since the start of the game, cristalize, every element have a reaction gimmick and saying one element should be specialice on no reaction is stupid because all element can be mono used, just in practice not all elements have the characters or kits to doing so well like Geo, now that Geo haved finally a character that made usefull the cristalize reaction and ignore it, is just plain stupid. Another example, Wanderer and Xiao are characters that don't want VV as their artifact set, but we don't called them aestetic Anemo because they don't do what other Anemo characters does, and use VV to swirl and shred weakness of X element. And for finally, not even physical have interaction, and physical is the real mono "element", you use super conduct for shred physical res.
I think Zajef is to obsessed for Geo to be mono element, even is ignoring Noelle now have Furina to make that "perfect" team that he was put on the example of saying Geo have no complete teams.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Navia is the only real geo unit because she's the only one that cares about crystallize
Crystallize is just gimmick to make you think that way. Navia cares only about her pellet stacks. Shards were attached to that mechanic artficially, there is not much interaction between them. Her ult proves that giving her single stack every 2.4 sec without any crystallize reaction. With C6 she barely needs crystallize at all.
@@user-rm3itr40rndi agree with u.
14:28 Zajoof literally called Gorou "joke"… quite revealing slip of the tongue 💀
I mean, is he wrong?
I was really hoping for a teamwide Geo healer to enable Itto - Gorou - Furina.
Tbh Gorou teams would really function best with the 4th element being something that can be crystalized, his burst is literally designed to work with that. The problem is not having a very synergistic off-field applicator because it both needs to not be reliant on normal attacks, not be too energy reliant, and needs to also dmg/buff/heal. This leaves few options, like Fischl, Kokomi, and Kuki, who all work fine depending on what you are fighting, but don't really provide more value than Zhongli.
Furina would be great here since she not only has very reliable off-field hydro application, but also provides a massive buff that Itto really welcomes. The only problem is not having a good healer to pair this with and it would ideal if this teamwide healer was Geo. Even a teamwide healer of a different element (not anemo, preferably hydro for less energy issues between them and Furina) with good particle generation would work fine here, but there is again no ideal option.
The best two are probably Baizhu and Charlotte, but they will have energy issues and their elemental applications will reduce crystallize formation. I would probably try the Itto, Gorou, Furina, Baizhu team if I actually had Baizhu, but he is not synergistic enough for me to pull him. Charlotte is much more energy reliant on Baizhu and she has much higher field time from fully charging her skill for those much needed energy particles.
They stuff he said about Itto having very specific teams is SO true, I’ve had him since release and I always struggle making teams around him. He does loads of damage in that one team but everywhere else he could be swapped with someone else and it would be better.
Fr, he's the only character I regret pulling for. His personality is great, but it's hard to justify playing him without Zhongli or Albedo (and I don't have either of em).
Unfortunately he was kind of designed to fit in that singular team
Hoyo knows if they give General Geo supports they're going to end up buffing the already massive output itto has with his current suboptimal team
Itto doesn't need a support that synergies with gorou (aka can be buffed by gorou) because albedo is already that and look how his team with itto is doing (fine), zajef specified without needing to be geo too which means no 3 geo. Or if you still play with albedo for 3rd geo then no defensive option and if with zhongli then at that point just play itto with gorou, zhongli and whoever the fk.
My point is, furina is very broken all non conventional elements (geo and anemo). She forms xiao and wanderers strongest teams dps wise. Of course not always will they be the best but you get what I mean. If we can get furina to work with itto, it will be insane. I mean navia is geo and works with furina and look at how strong she is. What we need is a geo healer to fulfill gorous 3 geo and heal for furina.
The lack of a standard geo 5* really hurts the element, I wish albedo was one. I kinda want him but never enough to skip others I want more.
Do you really consider Navia geo character? Where she have no synergy with geo whatsoever? Apart from doing Goe dmg but require you to have different elements?
@@yakimlukanov6964 just like albedo and zhong li were before her, I know a lot of Itto fans love mono geo, but would be a huge waste if the entire element was made to serve just one play style.
Why not Replace Gorou (Make Chiori a healer and support for itto) Gorou is very restricted character, that why Arataki also suffer from that doggy.
The only thing that make Geo worst element having a mono Geo comps (Because of Gorou)
@seishin7422 gorou is the biggest buff for itto. He give geo dmg bonus and defense (and crit dmg at C6). If you lose him it's like removing bennet for navia teams. It can still work but with gorou it'll be better.
Now the thing with gorous buff is that I need 3 geo. Excluding gorou himself and itto he needs 1 additional geo. What this means is that if chiori heals, then you would both have gorou full buff plus a healer that can enable furina in their team
I hope from Chiori to be also a very good healer; on top of her buffs, and able to put a construct; so Itto's best team will be: Itto, Chiori, Furina, and C6 Gourou. Itto by that way will get the same treatment as Xiao to Cloud Retainer, and Cyno to Baizuh.
Cold take. Good healing would be very bad for Chiori's power budget.
Also your view of those two new characters as buffs to the old ones is the worst part of this take. They superficially synergize the best, but actually their synergy doesn't matter as much for the new ones, so they should be viewed in different terms than "Xiao buff" or "Cyno buff".
@@adjectivenoun5052cloud retainer literally doesn't do anything she's just a bad attempt at a xiao buff
I think there's a disconnect between what Geo needs and what zajef is saying here. Geo doesn't need a unit that synergizes with itto and gorou, ITTO needs that unit, one team needs that unit. I don't know why we're acting like Itto hypercarry is the way that every geo team needs to function from now until the end of time. Now that Navia has released and changed what a Geo unit can functionally be I think we need to look more towards what type of units can be used in that type of gameplay while also benefitting previous geo units like itto. Let's remember that gorou is a dedicated support for Itto, just like sarah is a dedicated support for raiden, I wouldn't say that electro as a whole needs more units that benefit sarah teams or raiden hypercarry, so why are we saying that for itto/gorou.
A theoretical geo unit that would accomplish this IMO is a geo unit that is a dedicated healer and gives buffs based on crystalize shields gained. Kind of like an innate archaic petra 4pc but from off field and also buffing geo damage. IMO Geo units should work better when combined with other elements, genshin has always been about reactions and combining elements so it seems weird to want an element to only synergize with itself. Geo needs more units that benefit and incentivize crystalize.
Honestly I'm just so done with mono-geo as a concept, it's just boring and puts artificial restrictions on team building. Gorou working based off of the number of geo units in your party was a mistake and has ruined people's perception on what geo actually needs
I see your point but what matters is not what you think or I think or what could have been. It's what the company has already went with so when you do suggest or talk about a future unit you should take into account what has already happened rather than what could have been or dulling down an entire design perspective they with as a mistake
Mono Geo and gorou is really big mistake of Genshin impact.
The thing is if we want to take advantage of geo resonance, we need a shielder or generate crystals... I hope this new unit replaces Zhongli and not albedo who has some personal damage at least.
They won't do that, Zhongli is their archon, plus he provides off field geo, an insane shield AND geo res shred
@@Relevart9169 He is already worse than ning for navia because of his pillar constantly breaking
@@musicaddict9058 ning brings absolutely nothing to the table except a miniscule geo dmg bonus which navia already has more than enough of
@@Relevart9169 Ning carries prototype amber, which helps you get a lot more furina stacks. Alternatively, you can use TTDS in non furina teams, or just build her for damage.
All this on top of generating consistent amount of energy for navia unlike zhongli when his pillar breaks.
The only thing zhongli has is his 10% team damage from 20% shred, and literally nothing else. And when his pillar breaks, you are fkd unless you build 140+ ER on navia.
@@musicaddict9058 making a 4* atk scaling dps into a mediocre healer with a specific weapon doesn't outweight infinite shield off field geo and geo shred but to each their own
I really want this to skyrocket itto and Navias damage if it does I will be so happy
You know it's surprising he isn't banned for streaming that considering how strict mihoyo is.
You can`t design an entire element around just a 4star...That would be boring...
Xiangling:
Wouldn't a good Geo Healer basically work well as a Zhongli replacement? The Crystalize shields from Furina would mean you don't have to worry about being staggered, and the healing and Defense buffs from Geo Healer + Gorou would sustain you through any damage that gets through. The Geo Healer might want to do more than just healing, but if they provided any buffs or off-field damage at all they would be an excellent addition to the team.
We can give GEO healer with Noblesse or Archaic Petra.
I desperately want chiori to make a mono geo itto team super strong.
big geo mc buff if real. Considering that most geo characters have 0-1 of them, Geo MC should be able to max out the buff rather easily. Ult alone is 5 constructs + you can spam long lasting rocks with E. Also they're already a good battery, have 10%* crit rate buff and the dmg scaling for E isn't even bad
Burst gives 10% Crit rate and resistance to interruption
It's kinda of copium, but i hope hoyo make her do something new.
You know because they were mostly doing it in Fontaine, chev with overload, lyney with mono pyro, navia with crystalize, freminet with shatter, and furina and CR prioritizing healing and plunge attack
I would love to see her change the way geo constructs work
It's so weird that all fontain units were good, and new stuff that I can't get rid of feeling that every next new character will be dogshit or just extremely niche like chiori being some kind of geo shenhe working in basically one team. We can have her being geo healer with some dmg and a bit of buffs depending one number of generated crysalyzes and geo constructs, but isn't it too much good units in one region cycle? considering that for arlechino chlorinde and others we also have high expectations
New in Geo construct make them movable. Only thing i think need Geo construct is ability to walk or having feet. If Geo construct able to deconstruct and reconstruction why not.
Probably not optimal but Gorou can technically be used with any claymore character IF they have redhorn equipped. Because he boost def, then that means anyone can make use of redhorn's passive.
Could make for a meme build though.
I really dislike this narrative about Navia not being "real" geo unit. She literally is the "most" geo unit ever, because she use the only reaction the element have. She couldn't exist outside of geo, but Noelle, Albedo or Zhongli all could have been not geo and they still would work the same. Even Gorou could work, because you can just make more non-geo def scaleing charatcers. And no, you cannot just change Navia into any other element, because her kit only really works with the crystalise reacton, because how this reaction generate on-field stuff you can pick up or save up for her second shot. The only other reaction she could work with is bloom, but in thet case she would be just a downgrade to hyperbloom.
i agree!
Noelle with any other element would be amazing
@@alexprus7953 Yeah, she would be so good if she was a hydro unit with hp scaleing. Imagine the synergise.
chars with multiple e charges or short cooldowns are the most fun ones, cant change my mind
MH Itto with Gorou, Furina, and Mika honestly feels amazing. I originally called it a Copium Itto build until I realized it performed better than Itto, Gorou, Zhongli, Mona/Bennett. I underestimated the usefulness of attack speed on Itto. It makes getting stacks for his charged attack feel so much smoother. And of course pairing him with a Furina/Mika combo is going to more than make up for the 15% geo damage bonus you’re losing from Gorou’s E. You’re definitely a bit more dependent on having good ER substats though but I think it’s worth the grind if you want to push your Itto’s performance.
How do you think Favonius Charllote would be instead of Mika? I swear she is amazing with Furina and a lot of content creators are sleeping on her.
@@rafael_lanaI thought she only heals the active character?
People talk about Itto, but the character that needs help the most is Albedo, because of their weird code on pathing, they were forced to allow bosses to one shot his skill which effectively murders his kit. If there's one character that deserves a rework outside of Dehya, that character is Albedo
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 she heals everyone on cast
@@kimkardashi-un2.051 nope entire team, by a lot too. She is straight up better Mika if you're not playing physical imo, but Mika comeback story got him a lot of fans among creators so people kinda forgot Charllote in the rush to record 10 different Furina videos 😅
What i would prefer
Chiori
Geo sword
Atk ascension
Na/ca : normal 4 hit combo
Skill :
Cooldown 12 sec
waves her wardrobe around to deal aoe geo dmg based on atk
Also heals partywide for a single instance based on atk (very low party heal)
At 0 fashion points
Chiori can gain fashion point Every 1 second upto max 6
Chiori can gain fashion stacks by either absorbing/creating/getting shielded through a crystallize shard ( each stack increases her party heal and at 6 comparable to baizhu) atk based heal increase
Chiori can also gain 2 stacks for each geo constructs on field
The interval for each stacks is 1 second
The limit is shared
Burst : cost : 70
deals a single instance of geo dmg in front of chiori and makes a formation that deals aoe geo dmg every 3 seconds based on her atk
This burst give chiori max
fashion stacks (for heals)
This burst also reduces elemental resistance by 10 percent for every non geo element
This resistance decrease can be doubled if there are 2 geo character in team
Additionally chiori grants geo dmg bonus to every party members based on no. of geo characters 15/30 max at 2 geo
This buff can coexist with each
Passive one : each shard absorbed my team grants chiori 4 energy max 16
Passive 2 : chiori converts 40 percent of her defence to atk
And her receives additional healing bonus based on her def ( so can be used on mono geo teams too )
"A fine addition to my collection."
-Noelle mains
Honestly, all I want is a 5* Gorou because I will never get his C6 if he is only on Itto banners and I already have C1 Itto but only C2 Gorou.
Or a healer + buff to replace Zhongli in Itto teams would be an archonsend.
Im want from Chiori only 3 options: 1. autopickup crystals 2. heal 3. off-field geo dmg without constructs.
also they should start making more units that have moderate crowd control like chevreuse even if they're not anemo. i think it's on purpose to make anemo not as OP
10:33 i NEVER want to hear that again mr. zajef
As a Geo main, Constructs are some of the most interesting but the shittiest thing in the game... and unfortunately, construct logic is just crap.. they probably wont change it, even if its for the better..
Really wish Chiori will be a perfect combo for Navia even tho making her a more geo friendly unit is better overall
If Chiori uses Geo Construct it's the return of GMC :D
I think one of geo's biggest problems is not having an off field 4 star dps that people cling to, but it's hard to do that when it's selfish lol
Does cryo have someone like that? Closest is Rozaria, but she's not that popular.
I love zajef daily. It makes my hours at work go by faster.
Chiori is the savior of Geo confirmed
"Navia isn't a real geo" ok so kazuha isn't really an anemo unit because you don't really want to use another anemo with him? When we get itto everyone complains you cannot really use him outside mono geo, but when they release a geo character that wants different elements (AND also makes crystallize useful) you say "they're not a real geo". Navia isn't a real geo because she wants OP non-geo characters like bennet, but Itto sucks, because bennet doesn't buff him that much? I don't understand what do you want geo to be.
So instead of her i might go for Albedo for Navia. I think he is more prefferable than Zhongli plus i like Albedo.
These comments are so braindead holy shit. Zajef wants Chiori to work with Gorou because that'll give geo teams more options because hoyo already fucked up the element, Navia already has a million different teams cuz she's a basic ass attack scaling dps, she's fun and i love her but all these comments just going "Navia Navia Navia" holy shit, Chiori buffing Navia won't help geo
If she's a five-star sword Geo char that scales off defense, maybe her sword will be Albedo's new best in slot that's not an event exclusive weapon
Zajef: it makes the construct disap--
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Yeah Miko wasn't nearly as bad as everyone be thinking... Even now, one of my favourite teams is the Raiden Inquisition which is an Electro Charged team with Miko, Koko, Sara and Ei.
Ok - saying EC is part of the team is a bit of a stretch, but with Hakushin on Koko, it's used for buffing at least.
Meanwhile back then all people mostly stream said Yae Miko in initial release was trash. I have Yae Miko I was one of few people who get her in initial release I suffer alot of negative comment before.
@@yoiko89I rewatched all the videos on Yae when released, and even compared them to videos about her first rerun (post dendro). Miko's reputation was trashed. I've only seen Dehya be worse (and aside from numbers, for a lot of the same reasons). It took until her 3rd banner to consistently see Miko properly praised and not regularly see misinformation spread about her (like her on field time being incorrectly calculated). Never mind the fact she's actually been meta (more successful statistically) since release, and outperformed characters that were perceived as better than her (cough cough Ganyu).
That time period is also precisely why I refuse to pull Kazuha. People were thirsting for his rerun before Yae was in beta. And one of the reasons she was trashed because "skip for Kazuha". Skip both her and Ayato for Kazuha. Despite having no where near the same roles. It's why his "underrated" period didn't actually exist. He was considered godlike broken almost immediately. Kokomi and Yae needed a solid year+ to be considered as good as they are now.
Thats why noelle became a better character than itto, she can utilize furina good since shes one of the best BUFF+DMG character you can have for your flex spot
You can use Noelle and Navia together in Furina
I was so excited for Navia to get a dedicated support or sub-dps.
These leaks if true are disappointing, tho it does mean I have more primos for other characters I guess
Even Navia don't need support at least make another Geo who can replace MC Geo, zhongli, Albedo or ningguang in Navia team. Yeah kinda agree with your statement, after I saw the leaks I was thinking to skip Chiori and get another unit.
Honestly, geo could be fixed so ridiculously easily if they just released an off-field geo healer. If we had an off field healer for geo that could help with Furina's dmg bonus that could unlock so many potential teams that can feature a double geo + Furina core where you can go with either triple geo+Furina, 2geo+2hydro, 2geo+Furina+1electro/pyro/cryo, etc.
Furina could be an amazing buffer for geo since she gives a universal dmg buff but aside from on-fielding Noelle, there's not really a good healer option to capitalize on Furina's support. Even if Chiori doesn't have any healing capabilities I hope HYV at releases a geo healer sooner than later even if they're a 4 star character.
I hope chiori buffs geo damage% and crit so that both navia and itto can use her
Imagine she is Kazuha but for Geo. Dmg bonus + Geo res shred
I wish she is a good generalist buffer + sub DPS and works well with Navia.
So you want another furina😂
why..............navia is not the one struggling, geo is. Its like asking for another character to buff hutao rather than klee or diluc.
Tbf Navia already has Furina. It's Itto that really needs help right now because he doesn't have a team where he can utilize Furina.
@@lostblueboyNo, it's like asking for a character that can buff Hu Tao, Klee, and Diluc, because that would be better than only buffing one or the other. There's nothing to be gained for us to deny flexible supports.
@@lostblueboyNavia has no good geo support. Both zhongli and albedo are dogwater for her.
I hope it's not a dynamic buff based on how many Constructs are on the field at a time. I hope it's a stacking thing like Furina. That way even if the Construct is destroyed, the buff won't drop
I want to see more of her sassiness than her kit.
Imagine how much better albedo would be if his burst scaled with def too, it wpuld even make his C2 better since you would actually burst lol
I fcking want to play Itto in double GEO team and have the last to slots for other elements.
So if Chiori is healer and def/CA buffer it will be great.
Regarding the "Geo needs someone else that works with gorou": I think the opposite.
Geo needs a new Gorou-like unit that is more universal. Ditch the DEF% bonus altogether and make this theoretical unit only give stuff that every Geo can benefit from such as geo damage bonus and/or crit buffs. (Enemy Geo resistance shred could be included as well tbh)
Also, this theoretical Gorou replacement should not require the team to run multiple Geo units to reach the buffs maximum potential so the player should still have two non-geo slots open.
Given this information I struggle to see who Chiori would team with beyond Albedo and maybe geo MC/Ning. The leak states she doesn't work with Navia, she can't realistically replace Zhongli in mono-geo because you don't generate crystalizes in a full geo team outside of specific enemies, and Gorou doesn't have a geo construct. Maybe you'd have to run something like Itto/Albedo/Chiori/Bennet? Seems cringe.
We don't know the max cap. Maybe you just need 3 or something like that. Gorou only need 3 geo for his buff and there cant' be more that 3 shards on the field so 3 is a good number I think. Adding to that, I wouldn't be surprised if she works with Navia, Leaker tc isn't the best.
@@viva862 That's why I said "given this information." This leak is almost certainly not the whole picture.
Chiori will end up mono Geo or Navia teams
Not to ruin Zajef's party but I don't really like the idea of Chiori working with DEF Geo units. I want more Geo units like Navia who can work with other elements and not be restricted to the same team comp that has little to no variety.
Trying to make her work with Gorou would pretty much force her to be on Mono Geo only and farm Husk. But well, knowing that Hoyo would ruin a character in order to make it work with only one mediocre character, it wouldn't surprise me though it's still depressing.
i just want a geo healer man. hope they pump out more geo units in the future 😞
I honestly just want Geo constructs scale on the characters main attributes like HP or DEF, like they do with Ningguang's screen and Itto's ushi. that will be so good for Albedo and Zhongli havers but moreover, we need more characters like Navia and Chiori incentivize crystallize as their benefit, brute force wasn't special for Geo anymore since there's many mono elemental teams nowadays.
I mostly hoped Chiori was gonna be an Atk buffer that could also heal so she with her crystallize shields could be the mussing link in a Wanderer Furina team
c1 zhongli: its my time to shine
If she really works with both constructs and crystallize shards, then she can work with all other 5* geo units, including Navia. That's much more important than working with Gorou and over evaluating Def scaling.
If the leak is correct and her E has a good uptime and her Q is a decent dmg buff, then she could work with so many teams, like a Geo Yellan.
I kinda want her to make geo constructs great again. Them I'll have a reason to play geoMC and pull for Zhongli.
Also, I really want her to be a catalyzer unit. Then she can also use TTDS or Amber for extra support.
Except Yelan is good because she's hydro. Albedo already fulfills the off field geo dmg role
The best last fourth flux slot for Itto is Kuki. She can hold tenacity and she provides a healing ring that follows the character around, Which is better then forcing a synergy with Bennett. She literally fixes your geo issue lol.
But this is why she was never bad even before dendro. She was a great Itto flex slot and role consolidated Eula teams so you could put more damage based sub dps into them.
Chiori doesn’t elevate Geo. Powercreeping Albedo is cringe and embarrassing.
It’s Chiover for Chisorry.
Chiori banner sales will be low.
Geo character? Needs Geo constructs? Mono geo? Ugh. Geo is the worst element.
Definitely low sales.
Geo is a dead element. 🪦☠️
Navia’s banner managed to sell well because she avoided being a Geo character. she avoided the stale mono geo. she avoided geo constructs. she avoided making use of Crystallize’s flimsy shields; and instead used Crystallize shards as gimmick for her ammo. the most incompetent and lousiest parts of Geo, she dodged them all and that is why she managed to be a great “geo” character.
i’ve said this elsewhere but what i really think Itto (and geo in general) needs is an alternative to Gorou so we can have more geo team options - iirc Gorou is the ONLY character as of 4.3 with a teamwide DEF buff but since you also want his geo DMG and interruption resistance buffs for characters like Itto then you need to go 3 geo 1 flex which heavily restricts team options…
so if hoyo could just give us another DEF buffer without the team restrictions Gorou has, then that opens the door for geo team templates! alternatively, if hoyo wants to stick with Gorou being our only DEF buffer, then at least give us a good geo team-wide healer so we can throw Furina in the flex slot lmao
I want chiori to buff both navia and itto
I kinda maybe pulled Navia as a friend for Chiori (and I was bored of not pulling) so I kinda need them to work together.
May not even get Chiori if this stuff's right because my only Geo characters are Yun Jin, Zhongli and Navia so...
not the point of the video but i really disagree with the idea that sara is a garbage unit who can only be used to buff raiden in hyper teams with her c6. yes her c6 is great but so is the c6 on almost every other unit, and unlike a lot of 4 stars (contrary to what ppl seem to think) she has a lot going for her even without her c6. She applies an ok amount of electro, has a big nuke for a burst, and provides the same attack buff as c0 bennet which is like 85-90% as good. an idea i've had before is to build a wanderer taser team, with scara on vv, sara, literally any of the hydro units, and a flex slot. it could be beidou/xq for a ton of defensive utility, or furina with a healer, or literally whatever you want, and yes bennet provides healing and slightly more buff but sara's respectable damage, the possibility of getting electro resonance which is pretty big for energy generation, and her electro app which is more than enough for taser in aoe, make her a genuinely good unit who doesn't exclusively have to be used with electro carries. and if you dont agree that she's a good unit in general i think playing vv scara, sara, xq and beidou sounds a hell of a lot more comfortable and versatile than his usual teams, and yh maybe bennet and faruzan will give a bit more damage at very high investment but there's no good reason not to consider this too especially for the 99% of people who don't whale. i genuinely don't have a clue why people see that her c6 only works for electro damage and translate that into "oh she can't be used with anything but electro hypercarries", zajef here literally said that we should have a non geo carry to use with gorou despite his c6 being the same, its hypoctrical af and everyone just hates on sara for no reason
Praying her buff is like Chevreuse and you only need to proc a crystalize to get buff...
bro, hoyoverse is cooking something quite interesting with geo.
personally i always play itto in abyss its a breeze (full geo)
6:33 I really don't get this point, like sure, Navia does not want more than one Geo, but at the same time, ¿Would you use 2 more Dendros in a Nahida team? HuTao doesn't need other 2 Pyros in her vape teams, and I don't think Kazuha would want many more anemos in his team.
In my opinion Navia is so good because she is the best example of how to make a Geo unit, the old ones (Zhongli and Albedo) can fit in almost any random team you wanna play, even if is not the best, they are good filler units. However, unlike those 2 who are supports, Navia is a DPS so in her case you can put whatever random unit you have that is Pyro, Electro, Hydro or Cryo as a support and her DMG is gonna be very high (because again, she is a DPS).
This whole part of the video feels more like an Itto problem, than a Geo problem.
Itto Albedo Gorou and Furina
Even if I can't get the full stacks for Furina, I still go with this team.
1. Furina even if her pets won't deal as high damage as when your party gets fully healed, she will still deal more damage than Zhongli.
2. You lose the 20% resistance shred from Zhongli, but even with the low fanfare stacks from Furina you can get from Gorou heals should be enough to offset the 10% dmg bonus. I expect the res shred to be halved because it goes to negative resistance. Geo resonance already gives 20% Geo res shred.
I have C1 Furina though so solves half the problem.
Getting C2 Furina will solved 75% by letting me get full fanfare stacks.
Remaining problem is not having stronger skill damage from pets.
Do you try and dodge hits ?since your team will always be on. A low Hp an Itto on his burst mode Elemental and Physical RES it's decreased by 20%.
I would like to see you playing ur team on F12 😂
😅 it's dangerous
@@yakimlukanov6964 there are videos everywhere, who plays this team, see it for youself
The only thing geos really need, is be capeble of break more elemental shields.
Besides that, the element is pretty fine with you actually play with.
Or Mihoyo stop been shy with Geo and send more characters
this is what i'm talking about, people talk like they know everything about geo they don't even play it. they keep leaning on crystallize nonsense reactions, when the biggest problem here is geo not being able to break elemental shields properly
Basically if her burst snapshots Constructs and Crystals she will be really good, if not then she'll be a niche Geo sub-DPS, aka Anti-Circle Impact.
That awkward moment when clips vid is more interesting than an official one 💀
You know what I find out about Geo unit so far. Every Geo unit does not want EM build at all. Cause it is use less for geo unit any way.
If they gave me more reasons to play Gorou I'll be so happy he's a cutie
Geo needs a off field party wide healer not another gorou
Exactly
how about both for a one character cuz gorou only buffs defense
Hoyoverse cooking another Dehya Geo
I hope her E can deal a good off-field geo damage, and her Q buff crystallize
I love geo, they're strong if you have completed member and build them right
Mono geo is strong, but monoton
I agree we need something new to geo. Just strong not enough, I want fun team.
not going to lie, I lowkey wanted a geo healer but I don't want Chiori to be that healer
Every time i watch a Zajef video I'm reminded of zyox saying he has an issue saying things in a way that doesnt make people hate him (im paraphrasing)
Also the "adjusting for community perception" clause 😂 As much as i understand the good intention, i think the audience would be better off with more objectivity
Making her another Mono Geo bot would be so boring for me. That wouldn't make Geo better, just Itto/Gorou.
Me with Redhorn Itto + a Gorou that I C6'd literally on his first ever banner: I see this as an absolute win .
wait but if the X.5 curse is real and since yae miko was fine then that means the curse alternates between versions so chiori will be good surely
He's coping hard, she was bad at release. Not horrible but definitely way below average for an exclusive 5*. Dendro did wonders for her kit.
Eula is bad in initial release - Now perfect paired for Raiden but slightly bad for other people who don't like physical.
Yae Miko is bad in initial release - Viable Good in Dendro team
Dehya is bad in initial release - now Still Bad.
Chiori possible end up bad in initial release and become good in Natlan.
@@yoiko89 Eula was better at release then today, waaaay less competition and lots of freezable enemies. Before Inazuma with lots of machines physical was at its peak.
@@rafael_lanaI almost playing this game from 1.0 , I see everything that genshin have all character in x.5 was cursed being worst or niche. Eula isn't good now just look what ranking Eula now 😅. x.5 character always fixed after next region or next Archon so if I'm right Chiori will be ATK scale with confusing ability that have connections to Pyro Archon.
@@yoiko89 I'm not almost a 1.0 player, I'm fully one since day 1. My entire point of the "curse" is looking at what they were at RELEASE, not what they became later.
Eula is below average later, at release she was the 2/3rd best dps in the game. And maintained that position untill Inazuma released with lots of machines (huge phys res), better dps and total lack of support for physical.
What do you mean Crystalize
I need Golden Trio Traveler, Zhongli, Albedo and Chiori wont work, there is almost no one to use
I think geo shenhe would be good, damage + buff maybe even just replacing doggone boy
i hope Chiori buffs are universal but prioritizing geo. Maybe why Navia and Chiori doesnt do well synergize because they gonna fight over geo shards.
I like this character, she better be good.
I'm kind of happy geo is a dead element. Makes it easy for me to skip them and save primo gems.
You have Navia. She don't like Geo at all (based in Zajef)
@@yoiko89 she still needs a second geo for geo resonance. Yes she wants bennet which is rare for geo. But she still wants zhongli for the resonance and his shred. She's just the first character that doesn't want a full geo team. Which to me is an easy skip considering her best artifact set also only works for her and ningguang and is incredibly inefficient resin wise. All these negatives make her not worth it for me.
Another option for Geo teams would be to add a debuffer... I know Zhongli has a debuff but it is kinda nothing considering Geo Resonance already debuffs the enemy.
Now that I see it, Genshin has very limited ways to debuff the enemy. It would be cool to have a character that lowers DEF like Lisa, but that isn´t as cringe to play as Lisa lmao something like Klee C2, without having to pay for a Klee C2.
Petition to start Gorou "Joe" 14:28
Or Joe Ro(gan)