Top 10 Pendragon Mechanics other RPGs Should Use
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024
- These are my top 10 Pendragon Mechanics that other RPGs should use. What are yours?
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The personality trait part is pretty cool. The GM and players just have to remember to check it and sometimes make the call that might not be best for the player but the character cant help it.
Right - it makes for good story moments. There is also good wiggle room, so being deceitful for example can mean lots of things (as long as it means not being completely honest).
Mörk Borg has amour which reduces damage, I also really like it as mechanism. Additionally, the heaviest armour protects you the most but makes you easier to hit!
Mörk Borg are made by Swedes, i bet they played Drakar och Demoner in their youth, one of swedens most popular rpgs. And this is how it was done there. Also with separate weapon skills.
Thats cool; the give and take w/ armor weight
That's clever. I've always liked the idea of armor being a damage reduction mechanic, but also giving the player some kind of 'deliberate defense' (block/parry rolls when attacked).
After all, the best kind of armor is "not getting hit"
I guess for full context, heavier armour technically makes it harder to dodge attacks, since Mørk Borg monsters don't roll to attack you, you roll to avoid their attack. The choice becomes: prioritise hit avoidance (as you say!) or prioritise soaking damage. Fun that there is a choice, and an easy way to provide flavour to characters in a system that often doesn't have classes.
I definitely like the personality traits over alignment. It also challenges the, "That's what my character would do!" idiom. "Oh Yeah! Roll for it beotch!"
Pendragon is cool. It isn't for every player group though, I am working on making a ttrpg, and am planning to use basic roleplaying as a base, so I get several of these mechanics free.
I would love to see you make more videos like this with other rpgs too.
It's focused on ancient Chineese magic and folk religions, Daoism, and
Feasts and Festivals are super cool.
I am planning to have some more food and social related mechanics. And to have one of the major starting modules revolve arround a feast for some minor deity.
I also want to run some big tournament arcs, which would involve intrigue, gladatorial/champion combat, and then trials of other skills.
Like alchemy, puzzle solving, Feng Shui/Geomancy, Beast master competitions.(Like a dog show but with supernaturally powered creatrures.)
And you would have different people trying to get glory, making temporary or permanent allies, and sabotaging each other.
Does it have a name yet? Because I want to check it out when it's done. Sounds interesting.
@@KamilMalach Not yet, I have about 15k words written.
I want to have at least 3 modules coming out at the same time, sample npcs, the works.
(I have like 3 dozen module ideas, so if sells decently I might come out with 4,5 or 10 module bundle books you can buy after the game comes out.)
If does worse, I probably will just release the outlines without art. As like 50 cent 1-4 page modules instead.
And probably a setting that comes with it and a book with tables and advice for helping you make your own in the same genre.
Maybe you could be one of the 2nd wave playtesters, do you GM? or just play?
I already have a group for the direct stuff, but in 2-4 months when I get it ready enough to have other people run the modules, I am going to want to send it to people to try out.
regardless, I am planning to have quickstart rules with 1 free module, which will come out before the full game.
I haven't finished setting up it's website yet. But I will reply again when I do, So that you can get the playtest there when it's ready.
I am thinking for the modules of doing, 1 mystery, 1 dungeon, and then a big festival or tournament adventure.
(Might make the tournament a mini-campaign for like 3-5 sessions instead. Not sure.)
@@jonathanlochridge9462 I could introduce few people to a new system or a setting. This one caught my attention, so feel free to call me when it's finished.
Love the ideas! And yeah Pendragon isn’t for everyone - it does its theme and game type really well, but it is quite specific
As for me, the dynastic (family) aspect of Pendragon is the biggest thing. The characters are part of the society and the world, rather than wandering murderhobos. Everyone dies eventually, so it is better to go out with a bang so that your heroic doom will have poems and songs written about it, and your heir will then have something to avenge once they are knighted. The personality traits and passions encourage the melodrama and taking big swings.
There is a difference between being hit and being injured. D&D AC address how difficult it is to hit AND to damage an opponent thru one simple mechanic.
Very true, love this take. It has stuck around for a reason
Agreed, I actually think that the D&D method is more realistic.
i have always wanted to play Pendragon. I think you sold me. A great game that addresses many of these issues (vassalage, feasting, wintering) within a d20 system is "Wolves of God" by Kevin Crawford.
Thanks for checking the video out, and for the rec! I will check it out!
Ever played Drakar & Demoner? Some of these rules are also used in that game.
haven't even heard of it. what's it's like?
Low level fantasy based on Magic World and BRP from Chaosium. Now it is (7ed) Dragonbane from Free League.
Nope, but its on my reading list now! Thank you!
U could say Pendragon and Dragonbane are cousins, both use roll under on a d20 derived from Chaosium's BRP
Congrats to brining the attention of how Pendragon-Mechanics can be integrated into other TTRPGS to a broader audience. They are so good that they are in adapted form a basic part in my own TTRP where I teach players to be proactive instead of reactive. And yes the feast-rules are georgious. Nice hint on the Monster Overhaul, it fits right into the feast-theme!
Thanks for the kind words! Yea, feasts and food are under-performers in RPGs!
I started RPGs with AD&D 2e, and I've never heard of the Pendragon games. It sounds like a very well thought series. I would give all of those mechanics a try, and I wholeheartedly agree with the armor mechanic. What is up with THAC0 anyway.
Just as a quick comment, there is a new edition of Pendragon out, the 6th edition, which have slightly different rules in some cases than the 5th edition you seem to be referencing. Unfortunately the GM's book is not out yet (should be next year), so we don't have full Battle and feast rules yet. There is a new Battle system appendix in the 6th edition Starter Set, which moves it more towards the Book of Feasts style of battle encounters rather than the minutia of the Book of Battle, whereas the feast rules will probably remain close to the Book of Feasts but with some tweaks from the years of playtesting and feedback.
The other big difference compared to what you said is that some of the weapon skills are merged: Sword covers all swords, whether one- or two-handed, 1-handed hafted (a lever with a weight on the end used in one hand) covers one-handed maces, axes and hammers, and so forth. There are also beginning skill values depending on your DEX or APP: no longer will you start with a 0 in a new weapon skill, unable to hit anything.
I take a lot of these features for granted as most of the games in my bookshelf seem to have variations of them
Sounds like you have a great collection!
Traveller has a similar armour mechanic where if you are hit it soaks up a certain amount of damage. Original D&D had weapon proficiencies. You had a negative to hit with weapons you were not proficient with. It was worse for a MU not as bad for a fighter.
You can get various other titles etc in DND but it's not structured and needs the dm to have this in their world. Often it's used as another reward.
Im a big fan of episodic play
Interesting thanks
Good video! You could easily have made it about BRP based games in general since they share a lot of these. I'm currently on a Magic World kick, but am interested in Pendragon.
Thanks for the kind words!
mythras shares a lot with pendragon, especially the passions system. it's a really great system, and it cut-and-pastes into other games so easily
I will check it out, thanks for the rec!
Mythras was basically RQ 6th Edition and is a great game. Chaosium's RuneQuest in Glorantha also uses passions. Same family. BRP fanboy here.
Wich edition would you recommand to try Pendragon ?
Not sure if I have enough experience to answer this in a definitive way, but it seems that 5th edition is the most modern (from a book and resource formatting perspective) but still holds on to what makes Pendragon great, and has a TON of resources for it. I play 5th.
I have not played 6th yet, which just came out.
If u would like to play other characters than knights (magic users), 4th is the only edition that allows it. Other than that, I concur with the above on 5th as there have been very few rules modifications, so I'd go 5.2. I'd wait up on the new Pendragon Campaign before committing to the latest edition, but the starter boxed set is great if u wanna try it.
Definitely some neat ideas that I'll have to look into.
My group is kinda branching out, but being a 3rd/PF player for the most part, I'm always looking for importable mechanics to spice that up.
Yeah taking that first step can be tough sometimes for a group to do
I'm already super interested in d100 games, but never looked into Pendragon. Sounds fantastic!
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Good video, but it just makes me wish there were modern games with most/all of this already baked in.
Same! There are some good suggestions in the comments too
@@paperdicegames6585It makes me wonder if many of these things can be made as a standalone expansion for any system.
Why is a game being modern a plus?
@@malkomalkavian Easier to find a group. I mean looking for a group for ANYTHING other than D&D is already rough.
@ Also, there have been improvements in design and layout over time that I think of as “quality of life” improvements
I play GURPS so I already have access to most of this but I will give Pendragon a chance.
Take at look at the game called Wilderfeast... is all about food and monster hunting xD
I will add it to my list, thanks!
@@paperdicegames6585 If you know the pc game Monster Hunter, the game is that but with more focus on the food and no focus at all at getting new armor. Yet you still hunt for parts xD
I agree wholeheartedly!!!
Thanks for checking out the video!
Original D&D uses Chainmail, a miniature wargame as its base combat system. Thus you have the basic Chainmail system for skirmish or full battle scale, Man to Man for single combat, the Fantasy Matrix for heroes vs monsters, and the “alternate system” using a d20 vs AC. Subsequent versions lost all that nuance unfortunately.
The vast majority of Rpg systems already have armor reduce damage rather than make you harder to hit. That's mostly just a shitty DnD mechanic and games that use AC generally aren't "other Rpgs", but just another on the pile of 1000's of D&D reskins
I wouldn’t call it shitty, just different - but yeah there are other systems that do armor like Pendragon. It was low (high) on the list for that reason
Perhaps you should read more RPG system's...
More RPG system’s whats…feasts?
I kid I kid. Yes I love reading rpg systems and videos like this get great discussion going about awesome mechanics. Thanks for joining!
@paperdicegames6585 My point is that most of the time, it seems you're comparing to D&D, but it's not the only one. Most of the things you like are covered, for example, by GURPS, which is a very old system. Even feasts may be done better in GURPS using the social engineering rules. Also, there are stuff you enjoy that are too setting specific. Not all systems should care about winter. But it's important for a low fantasy, medieval England game. I remember running a game back in 1996 where I copied the virtues system, what is very good in use because it works like sliding bars. But for using such things you need to assume a moral compass for the game on the first place. Few systems are such intimately bound to a pre set of moral. Now, changing a little bit the direction here, I hated the armor class thing forever decades. But now I confess I understand and admire the concept better, after spending so much time advocating for damage reduction.