Jeep Abandons Wagoneer As Separate Brand; Toyota Drops Mirai Price to $12K - Autoline Daily 3755
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- Autoline reports breaking global car news, with great insight and analysis. Also, top auto executive interviews. We cover electric vehicles (EV), autonomous vechicles (AV) and internal combustion engine technology (ICE), as well as car sales & financial earnings snd new car reviews.
0:00 First Cracks Appear in China’s Auto Industry
0:49 BYD Jumps Into 2-Wheel Market
1:27 BYD’s Yangwang U8 Targets Mercedes G-Wagon
2:17 Yangwang U9 Targets Ferrari, Lamborghini
2:53 Lobbying Group Calls for Blocking Chinese Imports from Mexico
3:53 Toyota Drops Mirai Price to Only $12K
4:36 Lucid Turns to Detroit for R&D
5:07 Renault 5 Goes All-Electric
6:47 Jeep Abandons Wagoneer As Separate Brand
7:27 Jeep CEO Slashes Prices to Boost Sales
8:36 New Fiat Concepts Hint at Future
9:18 NIO Using Humanoid Robot on The Production Line
Story Links:
- Chinese OEMs Show Signs of Problems: carnewschina.com/2024/02/26/n...
- BYD Jumps in 2-Wheel Market: carnewschina.com/2024/02/25/b...
- BYD Shows Luxury SUV in Europe: carnewschina.com/2024/02/26/b...
- YangWang U9 Electric Supercar: europe.autonews.com/cars-conc...
- Lobbying Group Calls to Block China Imports from Mexico: www.americanmanufacturing.org...
- Toyota Cuts Mirai Prices by $40,000: www.wardsauto.com/vehicles/wh...
- Lucid Wants to Open R&D Center in Detroit: www.autonews.com/manufacturin...
- All-New Renault 5: media.renault.com/renault-5-e...
- Jeep Slashing Prices: www.wardsauto.com/industry-ne...
- Fiat's Concept Lineup: www.media.stellantis.com/em-e...
- NIO Test Humanoid Robot on the Production Line: • UBTECH Humanoid Robot ...
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This is still the best channel for auto news on RUclips
Raise the prices 52% over five years then cut the price $2500.
$12k for a Mirai is a bad deal unless you own an auto museum.
Have you seen how many Wagoneers are sitting on dealer lots? Hundreds and hundreds for months and months. Wagoneer as its own brand would fail and that is why Jeep isn't floating it off.
Jeep is panicking as they had their prices way too high. Watch for Stellantis to have bad qtrs.
The reason why the Wagoneer is sitting on dealer lots have you seen what they look like a four-wheel brick absolutely no styling
@@gordonwardhaugh8266no it’s cause it’s 100,000$ lol. They’ve raised their prices so high they going right into bankruptcy.
Wrangler 4dr 2018 JK loaded 42k$. Now 66k$ min.
Yeah it’s over
@@gordonwardhaugh8266
CX5 2018 27K now 31k. I bought a Mazda CX-5 not a new Jeep. My 2018 Jeep needs to last another 20 years since it’s my 5th and last Jeep ever. After all the issues I stayed. Now? Blank them with these price idiocy and waiting 3 months for parts
@@gordonwardhaugh8266 Well there is that too. 😉
I want a Renault 5!
me to
Regarding Lucid's Detroit-based R&D center. Cory Stueben, former Detroit-based Munro & Assoc. President, recently jumped to Lucid and is part of their R&D engineering team...I suspect there is a connection....
Interesting. I thought Cory was a permanent fixture at Munro. I'm surprised.
The Wagoneer should have been a Chrysler like it originally was supposed to be.
Funny that some are claiming that Chinese competition would be too difficult for US carmakers to compete against (presumably because of the much higher pay of US workers), but no one mentions that the CEOs of GM, Ford and Stellantis are paid between 4X and 8X what the CEO of BYD is paid. Every one of these companies could use an extra $10 or 20 million to hire more engineers or buy better equipment, and instead that money is given to ONE person at the very top. When you include the lavish salaries of the entire executive team of the established carmakers, you are talking about over $100 MILLION taken out of the development budgets that could instead be spent on building better vehicles or even dropping the price of current ones for consumers. There is nothing wrong with paying people good money - and the domestic car makers have a history of paying well - but what US companies pay their C-level executives is downright uncompetitive. These obnoxious salaries that CEOs get today are draining the funds available to make the best products possible.
Not all CEOs are the same and not all companies need the same sort of CEO.
While these robots may be over hyped they are on the way.
When labor is no longer an issue the differentiation is going to be engineering.
One only has to pay management and R&D once if you know what I mean.
Labor gets paid for each car.
And when the company does poorly, cuts are usually made at the bottom
@@rp9674 absolutely! Ford recently slashed some of their EV programs and cut jobs. A responsible CEO would see that as a failure of his leadership and have his salary slashed before a single layoff was made. Instead these overpaid clowns get bonuses the more workers they cut.
You honestly believe $10-20mil pay for a CEO is much of anything in the automotive industry? Typical leftist talk. You reward the management for leading the entire business to success which provides jobs for workers to begin with. The manual labor jobs the UAW pushes for 6-fig pay and Cadillac benefits is truly absurd. There is a market for labor, and when you rent-seek the government for perks and push on companies hard, you end up being less competitive. In the end, the UAW will be putting most of their workforce out of business - especially with the rise of EVs.
@@rp9674 Because the bottom are the brunt of the expenses for the organizations. Management has to make the decision to cut products, services, and labor to balance out the finances.
Jeep Compass 4 cylinder burns a lot of oil and they call it normal. Maybe they should focus on that first
That Renault 5 looks nice for a basic vehicle, Nissan should use that platform for a basic EV here in the US.
Totally agreed Renault 5 and new Nissan 510!
China has about 150 car brands and a production of close to 30 million at a capacity of 50 million. Of course there'll be some consolidation. But don't trust on that this will save the Western brands.
The Wagoneer idea should have honestly gone to Chrysler as a flagship and then launch some cheaper models. Stellantis doesn't really have a premium brand here and could use one.
The Italian brands aren't going very far.
more utilitarian models ,a new full size , trail rated, no air suspension full size ,2 row Cherokee 4dr wagon . not a 3 row luxury family school bus like all full size wagons or s.u.vs are ,utility is a sport utility vehicle's middle name
From what I know, poor quality and horrible dealer service have plagued Jeep (Chrysler) for decades, nothing seems to change no matter who is in charge. I would never buy one and if I was running a car company my quest would be to better Toyota regarding customer satisfaction, some bragging rights!
Jeep: That thing we did that everyone asked why are we doing it? Well surprise! We're no longer doing it.
lol Renaults original EV from 1972 is what my dad bought in 1979/1980. He just donated it to a car museum in Kansas. Nice to see that. The 79’ was great. 50 mile round trip!! 18 golf cart batteries and one regular battery.
Wow! Didn't know about that one.
You dad was 40 years ahead of his time!
Pretty cool!
Wtf Toyota, why would I buy a hydrogen car if the stations are closing.
Exactly, about the only thing H2 will be used for is feed stock for expensive synth fuel for sports cars and classics, and maybe aircraft. Ocean transport will continue to run bunker fuel for quite a long time since shipping prices are so competitive.
"Because it's the fuel of the future!" Maybe 2090, after they make H2 by fusion reactors and store it in Unobtanium tanks
H2 might be viable for stationary power stations that can have huge storage tank facilities but for mobile vehicles it does not make sense. The reality of trying to keep H2 inside non-exotic storage cells at any appreciable capacity is just not there.
The $40k discount on the Mirai is only on the $67k version.
Where’s the H2 stations
@@williamerazo3921 Only in CA
@@williamerazo3921Rip out the tanks and fuel cell, install a bigger battery, and you've got a nice EV.
@@williamerazo3921Pipeline to the sun would do it
@@williamerazo3921Hardly anywhere. These fuel cell cars have been going on for years with zero sign of feasibility. What a joke.
Jeep bringing Wagoneer back to Jeep makes sense why confuse customers. Next step would bring Ram back to Dodge as everyone calls Rams Dodges anyway.
Jeep sales down because they raised the prices so high and reduced the options . I cannot get a V8 Hemi in the Grand Cherokee. I have bought my last Jeep.
Fiat lost me at "can accommodate ICE or Hybrid" there. Shared platform = compromise platform.
Not really, ICE tech these days is tried and true, especially when it uses a timing chain and iridium plugs from the factory like a Volt. The little the ICE is used for road trips and long shopping days it will never reach end of life before the time folks usually send their cars to the scrap yard at 200-300k km. Volt drivers are like a cult though!
The murai would be tempting, as I live less than 1 mile away from a hydrogen refilling station near an airport and transit center...but I worry about maintenance and replacement parts for such a limited production model.
Even at $12000 it's not worth it.
What's that thing? That's my yang wang.
If Stellantis wants to boost Jeep sales in the US to boost sales. Sell the better looking Jeep Avenger, instead of the Fiat 500e.
Stellantis has so many affordable EVs, why sell the least desirable for American sensibilities?
Why do these companies want to keep Chinese auto makers out of the US? I thought no one wanted EV’s. sales are down. Akio Toyoda says that EV’s will only reach 30% market share. What are they afraid of?
Patiently waiting on the revo or a barebones conversion kit for the Wrangler
As various members of the US media are speaking of the great decline of EVs and how no affordable EV can be made, here comes affordable EVs which will likely keep EV growth going.
Slow growth anyway. No local charging in America so a decade before most people can own a BEV.
@@davidmccarthy6061Make that about 18 months. EV charging infrastructure is being rolled out day by day.
Matters not. Incontrolable raging fires remain regardless of price.
Car and home insurance go up when you get an EV because of the fire liabilities…
@@pepeshopping This is not true.
Cheaper EVs use LFP type batteries, which will not self-ignite.
And, insurance companies know the real numbers on fires. They know that EV fires are very rare, and they know that ICE vehicle fires are very common.
They know, for example, that between 2008 and 2018, ICE vehicle fires accounted for 16% of all fires reported to fire departments in the US, and 15% of all fire deaths - that's several hundred people killed per year by ICE vehicle fires.
They also know that several hundred more people are killed each year when their ICE vehicle with keyless ignition spontaneously starts up and idles in an attached garage. The fumes are so poisonous, they kill people who are sleeping in the adjacent bedroom.
When you count China sales both inside China plus the exports?
Reports often under reported Tesla China production by only counting Tesla sales in China.
Why is there no passenger front wheel at time stamp 2:51?
Because they were demonstrating the chassis/suspension safety system, that can make the car drivable (albeit slowly) even with a flat tire
Yep, I noticed the same thing until I read the on-screen text that it was a test. I first thought it was a fake video!
It's a sports car with a hydro pneumatic suspension (Citroën is also known for that type of suspension).
One of the key features of such a suspension is that you can drive on three wheels. Google Gereral DeGaule murder attempt, where he escaped the attack in his Citroen DS which had a punctured (shot)tire but could nevertheless drive full speed ahead and escape.
Man hydrogen for regular cars is stupid. Big trucks and other large vehicles that go a central station that has hydrogen fuel station maybe. Consumer cars hell no.
Hundreds of billions $ wasted at this point.
True
Glad they stopped with the fuel cells when we have battery cars that are just superior in most ways
The tough part is getting enough batteries without causing a sales backlog. The Japanese don't want their auto industry to be reliant on the Chinese, and the new refineries and battery factories outside China have yet to catch up to demand, and the few that have already have contracts. In short the Japanese are stuck between a rock and hard place until countries like S.Korea and Australia get more production up and running to support millions of cars hoarding hundreds of km worth of batteries each. The big problem they didn't tackle with H2 was fueling. Toyota and Honda should have gone gangbusters on the H2 refueling infrastructure the way Tesla did with supercharging.
@@anydaynow01H2 is too dirty… either made from fossil fuels or using far too much energy for other methods. H2 is a bear to store for long periods of time… it is the smallest element (think large scale gas stations). The fuel tanks take up waaay too much room in passenger vehicles. H2 “gas stations” are pretty expensive to build at $1.5-2 million. In other words… while is sounded cool… H2 was just a pipe dream.
@@jmbickhamJust compressing the stuff (to liquidize it) takes 40% of the energy content of it.
Jeep losing sales, so new management, cut prices, streamline dealerships. Well, what about improving reliability.
Personally, I think that Jeep should revisit the Treo concept from 2003
Those hiphi look sweet !!
They are off the charts, the RUclips channel Wheelsboy has a couple of reviews on them.
Mirai is an excellent EV conversion project at that price. You just need a battery... or for people who like toxic fumes, just add a gas generator and you have a very efficient and powerful hybrid.
Get the Italian quality out of Chrysler products they are bad enough on their own
Is it though? Even after incentives (which is actually 27k not 12 as stated)+ conversion costs, you can get a good EV for cheaper.
Mirai is an EV. Problem is those hydrogen tanks take up a lot of space.
@@Custo911Used ones with low miles are going for $15K. Might be a good deal if you own a hydrogen mine and only drive in town.
@@jamesvandamme7786 guess there is one going for 6k haha! But even that, with conversion costs, would exceed the cost of new, better EV.
Neta Auto has just arrive to the Mexican market a week ago.
10,000 Wagoneera in a decade maybe if the 3000 get resold like 4x each
Great information..is Sean the son of John?
Yes.
like two drops of water
not driving a car called yank yo wang
If jeeps wants back into the market, they're going to need a small turbo V8
Tempting to buy a Mirai and convert it into a BEV, what it should have been in the first place.
Then gift it back to Toyota with a "fixed it for ya" sign.
That YangWang is going to fail so hard. Why didnt they just ask people in the target market what they thought?
Cars made in Mexico isn't a problem since a lot of the cars and SUVs in the US are made there and a lot of the truck pieces (thanks to the chicken tax) are also made there. That murai would be almost free after the CA EV rebate unless they're advertising after-incentive pricing. Anybody want to try a V8 swap for me?
The chicken tax only applies to two-door trucks
send over a lot of those 11k and 15k byd electric cars. the will sell millions. make a small van and a datsun like pickup truck. forget the tariffs. lets get these byd cars in the country so people can buy electric cars. who can afford 48k for a new car.
GM and Ford, at the least, do manufacturing in Mexico then export from Mexico to U.S. under NAFTA.
So, of course, China will follow the model
Will be blocked because of "security reasons".
The NIO robot is a joke. They should buy Tesla's humanoid robots. Wagoneer as a separate brand was an absurd concept in the first place. The Renault 5 looks great and seems priced well. I wonder how much they will lose on each one sold.
Diversion Team angry that Adrian got trolled by lowly Nio!
The R5 will be offered on the home market for €100 per month lease price ($110), three years 10k miles per year (one time extendable for a total of 6 years). They will sell/lease as hotcakes.
They should do a Grand Wagoneer EV to go up against Escalade IQ, and don't put that uConnect garbage in it.
Can the German auto industry survive?
Nothing they make can compete with Tesla, BYD, and Hyundai.
What happens to the EU after Germany de-industrializes?
Good luck marketing Gang Wang in Europe and America...and these mfgr price cuts are killing their customer's resale value and their own residuals. Just wait to see the avalanche of lease returns that come back.
So... Akio Toyoda, what happened to your hydrogen is the future beliefs? You have to discount your Murais by $40,000? You're practially giving them away since no one wants them. What's next, you're going to offer customers their own free hydrogen station at home?
A little startup called Tesla built their own network on what they beleive in, but the world's largest auto company can't build their own network of what it believes in? What, you can't build what you preach? Or are you still waiting for others to build out the infrastructure for you? Opps... how did that go?
It's all a smoke screen until they perfect their solid state battery. If ... or when .. they do, watch out!
@@jamesvandamme7786 I can't wait. Only 20 years away?
Renault Le George.
They want to drag their butt on making EVs AND be protected, comical
(the renault 5 should have had twice the horsepower and 4wd - maybe later )
A sport version with 220 hp is on its way and end of next year the Alpine version with 280 hp will be launched.
@@DBGE001 are 4wd versions comming too
@@replica1052Not for the near future, I'm afraid.
@@DBGE001 the alpina prototype looks like a group b rally car -no group b car had front wheel drive only
@@replica1052the R5 Alpine is being tested right now in Finland (cold climate and snow tests), you can find footing on youtube. It's a frontwheel drive.
Jeep dealers will find a way screw their customers even if the CEO is trying to boost sales.
Those big suv shoulda been Chryslers not jeeps bye bye
Toyota can make a fortune selling $12,000 hydrogen cars at a $70,000 loss per car! "We'll make it up in volume!" Akio's new business plan. ;-)
Toyota needs to start paying people to take these lazy compliance FCVs off their hands.
Not sure where they would be driving without a fueling network though, especially now that Shell shut down the ones they operated in California, which was America's biggest network - the *SEVEN* of them.
Better to sell them than to crush them.
Toyota will have to build a broad base of filling stations, like Tesla had to, if they want even the slimiest chance of meaningful consumer sales.
I hope they do it because maybe will actually be “ clean H”. Still not efficient systems but better than ICE
They should donate one to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, so it can serve as an example.
They will do to auto industry what they did for US steel industry
These guys need to watch a few other channels. Lots of chinese go out of business
name. them. only one do far
Lol only small EV startups like hiphi halted production due to insufficient funds. Hiphi only sold 20k to 30k units last year because their EVs are overpriced. Most Chinese EV companies sell more than 100k units per year. Except for Nio, xpeng, li auto, leapmotor many Chinese EV brands are owned by large private automakers like Geely or state owned automakers.
@@cwdjdsd-36321cs still more then gm or toyota
Evergreen overbuilt & collapse their housing market and millions of homes there sit vacant. Sad that many farmers there lost their farms to the housing industries. Then Evergreen appears to see car manufacturering as a way out but then Chinese didn’t want to buy them, maybe in protest & their cars just sit unsold. Fate & irony! This according to other channels. Let’s not mention their rail system. Another overbuilt investment.
@@edornelas8275 lmao it's evergrande, plus they went bust because of high debt not because they overbuilt. Also farmers didn't lose their lands to real estate companies. China's high speed railway system is the reason why many cities got interconnected and as a result they witnessed fast economic growth. China's railways handled a combined 3.68 billion passenger trips last year alone, so the railway system is far from overbuilt. Make sure to get your information from reliable sources not from some RUclips channels that provide daily jokes.
Is hydrogen dead?
For cars it is.
Elon says hydrogen is a fallacy!
Yes, just like the Hindenburg; dead, dead, deadski.
Elon has ridiculed fuel cells as “fool cells” for many years and described hydrogen, which can be costly to produce and store, as an inefficient clean power source.May 1, 2023
@@MarkMeszarosYNG Elon also said that we'd all be riding around in robo-taxis by now, and that Tesla vehicles with FSD hardware would be appreciating assets. Just because Elon says something doesn't make it true. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are a failure because they have costly infrastructure and efficiency problems, not just because Elon said so. "Elon said so" is a classic "appeal to authority" logical fallacy.
Jeep is way over proced, reduce by $40k, then they will sell
Mirai still 12k too much
Hydrogen? Don't make me laugh. You have to have the infrastructure in place before you can really start selling cars. You need to be able to make a cross country road trip without range anxiety to be taken seriously in the US. Even electric isn't there yet.
Jeep is so ten years ago. The brand needs to reinvent itself and create a whole new line up. Other wise it will just keep drowning.
most call them jeep wagoneer s , these need to loose some wt. $$$$ , make a 2 row Cherokee , trial rated, trial hawk to go after tahoe Z71 or the over priced sequoia TRD Pro , both are more of a 3 row luxury ,family school bus , put utility back into sport utility vehicle for us true off roaders , car campers, overlanders
Hydrogen... HaHa, consumers didn't fall for it did they. Try again with some other type of "fuel".
Next up - Biofuel. Just go to your local KFC and drain the used oil into your vehicle! As a bonus you can make your neighborhood smell like fried chicken! Yum!!
Biofuel ?
Algalfuel
E-fuel
@@tesla_tap That's better than hydrogen.
@@heinuchung8680 Yep, desperate panic to save a 120 year old market that's going away.
Hydrogen is storage. The Mirai is an EV.
Chinese New Year always causes a slow-down. Add that to the marginal players who will shake out, and by next year the Chinese ev industry will actually be more healthy.
Yang Wang = translated Defender knockoff
I wish you would do a show on consumerism and how the US has eliminated consumerism in the car industry. We need to be able to access other vehicles than the big three as a consumer. The EU and asian products for consumers are far more interesting and affordable. Consumerism is dead here and will kill the big three again.
Jeep is just a badge for Fiat now. Who cares?
ha ha ha toyodas folly is biting his bum
The robots are coming for our jobs.
Ask the Russians how the Chinese cars are doing there.
Tesla climb to 10x output will be very difficult but doable: Elon Musk SAYS
Its game over for Tesla!
Didn't you parrot that comment last week Adrian?
@@russh6414Adrian sad because there are no buyers for FlOptimus!
Who cares?
Elon is a bullshitter!
Toyota should make tap water fueled hydrogen fuel cell vehicles to survive and wiped out the entire EV and ICE industry. lol
Pretty much all Jeep SUVs look the same - boring.
Be deleting you all very very ❤ Termi aka T-1000😊
The Mirai is an EV. FCEVs are EVs. It just has hydrogen storage to fuel the electric motor vs. a battery. And it also emits water. The Mirai is a test bed as FCEV tech is better suited for heavy vehicles like trucks, construction equipment and in time, ships.
Ever notice how they seem to praise BYD but always have a backhand for tesla?
Why headline Jeep but start with another Topic? Your losing followers. I’m not the first to notice ‘tis. Please stop it
If you can’t wait a few minutes, there are time stamps for convenience.
All the left wants to know... what's the robot's preferred pronoun 😂
So the H2-car scam is going to end. But only idiots would buy a Mirai if there is no H2- station around.
I saw the giant one, the grand wagon, and they.are hilariously ugly. Gaudy yet without any curves, just tacky. It's like if someone designed a rectangle from someone else's description, then slapped a bunch of chrome and badging all over it. I feel embarassed for the drivers when I see em because I can't help but cringe.
Those Fiat concepts are seriously ugly.
The only thing that can sink Tesla is if China closes their plant in China
Or
Elon goes 1 tweet passed what anyone can stand
Jeep grew very fat and lazy with no competition. It is a dead man walking. With the new Toyota off road SUVs Jeep is toast.
Yet another company beating Adrian Dittmann (Alex Jones' favorite caller)! Even the buy-here, pay-here manufacturers don't want to buy FlOptimus!
What do you want to bet that Adrian has a name for the top of the line version, Floptimus Prime. I wonder if Adrian was the one who called in that huge pie order and cancelled it...
@@russh6414 Adrian having money issues! Federales angry that he hasn’t broken ground yet!
Concerning Elon Musk's popularity the person he was backing Ron DeSantis did nothing even with announcing on Twitter (X) his campaign for president.
Elon Musk does seem to have a small number of fanatic fans but I am not sure say 95% of the US is that into the way he operates.
I wish they sold the Renault 5 in the U.S.!! I’d buy it!! …..but then again, I’m not a typical obese, ignorant, small minded American prying themselves into a fat SUV! Still, aren’t there at least 10,000 buyers in the (Wal-Mart, McDonald’s) U.S.?!
EV's are HOT.
Way to hot burning to the ground. Way too hot for this petrol head.
I said the same then I bought an electric mower and it’s was life changing
Once you go electric gas seems so backwards like a gas powered cellphone. Check out Tony seba he has been so right
Has Toyota begun on their $300B build-out of their U.S. hydrogen infrastructure?