TBS TRACER Switching Everything! (Fastest Link EVER) 😳
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2020
- Team Black Sheep Tracer is a pretty revolutionary control link that takes all the cool Features from it's big brother Crossfire but is 4X faster..
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From a STEM Teacher, thank you so much for the inspiration to get into this hobby! I'm able to combine my electronics, ham radio, outdoors, and photography interests all in one. You got me interested in the first place and I've been watching your videos all along the process. I've even added a unit in my class about quadcopters. Thank you so much!!
Yo what a chad
i followed your advice and learned on cheap analog last year. i learned to fly outside my radio range so i'm building DJI and tracer setup since you switched. I trust your unbias experienced opinion and you've been 100% right and it shows in your flying ability. you can't fake this stuff. thanks for keeping it reele.
watch out guys , " peter the penetrator is back " Steele you made my day ! 😂
Make an F3K vid mate please, Big fan
damn, not first on the joke :/ just watching now.
@@adamlhotak8180 I would like to try the Tracer in F3K ^^
@@pierremeunier Maybe put tbs and Fpv on an F3K and do long range dlg trips
Your Smooth Tune on EMU Makes my day every time I fly Mr. Meunier. As I hold my very own Pierre the Penetrator in my paw the anxiousness builds.
Could just say "hi guys and Ruby" one girl has a name :)
Haha haven’t tracked her down yet. Don’t know here identity
@@MrSteeleFPV I do believe you missed the point, she just introduced herself. Congratulations, your search is over!
Hi Ruby, lovely name
Mr Steele lol
Can you get more girls on board...I mean my daughter is into fpv but she's 4. Lol
Been watching you for a few years now; you've really matured lately FWIW - and I mean that in a good way (communication skills, presence, etc.)
Thank you man. I feel like I have a more mature perspective on things these days. Getting older does that to ya haha. I still have fun though. Just a little more conscious of being me in the moment. And not pushing for a certain persona
i agree.
@@MrSteeleFPV I like it.
Good review! After just getting the tbs micro v2 I’ll have to get this. I’ve seen the difference between ppm and sbus and of what you’re saying is like that with crossfire, yup I’m switching
I have mine pre-ordered after seeing your ig live video with it a few days ago💪🏽 waiting for that dji video brother!
Coming to ASAP
Immersionrc ghost vs TBS Tracer is interesting.
The ghost is capable of 222hz and soon capable of handle 500hz.
I’ve already bought the ghost system. Upgraded from Crossfire and the difference is amazing.
Good video as always! thanks for all the useful informations!
Greetings from Italy!!!
I ordered mine. Can’t wait. Would love to see the 3D file for how you mount your antennas on your apex builds :)
Great video love the content, very educational and easy to understand.
Link used purchase made this is just what I was waiting for. Thanks
Great to see the work the TBS team are progressing here... can certainly see why this earns your Steele seal of approval :)
Interested to see more around how you tested Tracer with DJI at some of the longer range scenarios too.
I run tracer on my Vista setups and works beautifully... I wouldn't recommend long range flying, but for freestyle and bando-smashing... Fuckin' awesome! Never going back to CRSF
Super informative!! Thanks again hombre!!
Thank you for a good explanation of Tracer vs Crossfire. Argh I have a lot of quads to convert. I will do my best ones first.
"Peter the Penetrator" xD
Interesting tech preview, don't know if it's worth the upgrade.
Thank you for the review !
Please make some "Peter the Penetrator" merch.
*I will take your entire stock.*
Awesome review man! Keep it up!
I’m hopping over to tracer too, would you consider doing a little video on setting up the antenna on the quad?
Noice!....... I literally just bought tracer and crossfire modules. Switching all my park rippers to tracer and I’m stepping into LR flight hence purchasing of crossfire. I’ve had some good range on my micros in frsky using an crazyf411 diversity fc. Whoops n hoops was fun but long range shredding has a better flow feel..... thanks for the info dished out here MR S!
Bruh I literally just got crossfire like a month ago
ouch, i did the same things but with my phone, i bought my one plus 6, one week after it was cheeper, and 3 weeks later the one plus 6T came out xD
i know your pain
@@theaypisamfpv it's much worse in your case with the phone, crossfire is completely fine you probably won't even notice difference and crossfire is 900mhz so penetration and range should be much better just because of physics
Ho yeah Crossfire is still great, and I'm impressed they've done even better with the tracer, however i wonder what's the power of the tracer for Mr Steele not saying it xD
I'm still planning on getting crossfire now because realistically I am more likely to use the long range than the lower latency
Dude, I know your pain! I bought mine 3 weeks ago
Super excited for all the cheap nanos about to hit the market 😊
Anyhow, TBS seems to consistently bring gear that MATTERS.
If Steele is switching this quickly, you know it's good.
That was my point however a major communications protocol change for all my rigs ?!?!? yea no !!! that's as ridiculous as jumping the analog ship to DJI digital. Its a really fun hobby but its not my life !!
@@seacprogrammer8455 ya, I mean, you don't have to switch everything out right away. I've done two Rx migrations and the migration to DJI, when I switched I only changed out one or two quads and just built new quads with the updated components. It's not hard to carry two an extra RF module with you and switch when you want to fly a different quad.
Can’t wait to get mine in as soon as I can get to my buds house this weekend to pick it up 👍👍
Just got this WOW I was missing out!
Very informative, thanks. The only question I have is how does it stack up against Ghost?
Not quite sure. Really this videos purpose was to bring attention to low latency 2.4 links getting really good. I’m sure ghost is great. I just don’t have one to test and the difference between the two might be like splitting hairs. And feature sets
It's a good thing I saw this video haha I am ordering parts for my first freestyle quad and it's the steele apex 6s and I almost ordered the crossfire hahahaha
Because of the huge width of the 2.4GHz band it is actually less likely to have interference issues. Pretty much all the devices currently operating on 2.4GHz are operating on 100mw or less, so the impact is going to be low even in a super wifi dense area.
Thanks for this
So do. You need too do the same power mod for this as you would crossfire on the taranis qx7?
Ive been looking at this and ghost... And Mr steele you have helped me make my mind up... Tbs all the way :)
I look forward to your range test as the obstacle king.
Interesting device. Wont be making a change any time soon but I could see my freestyle stuff on it while keeping my big LR stuff on Crossfire. All the reason to stay on a JR module radio and be able to hot swap between modules which is less an issue.
Your Apex 5 is awesome and the latency wow, good work Steele 👌
Cool man thanks for catching me up.
So i have spent some time on a sim now and i am ready to get my first quad. I am choosing between the tinyhawk 2 freestyle and the Eachine novice 3. Witch one wuld u rekomend?
I'm subscribed now and left a like. I am trying to implement TBS tracer. One thing that I am not clear on is the attachment to the flight controller. Can I not pick any RX TX of the same number on a flight controller to hook this up? I have wired this RX to TX and TX to RX, and my radio transmitter goes from Paired with the Radio (green light on the micro radio) to a solid red. I'm just getting started with TBS Tracer and from this indication, I'm not sure if I am linked back to the actual main transmitter. I have not yet set up Betaflight because I was concerned that I lost the green light to the main radio
Have you had a chance to fly far with it yet? I ordered mine, and I'm just now seeing videos showing the range is kind of crap. They were mostly ground-level tests though. Is your experience with Tracer the same?
"Hey guys and girl" LMAO
Ury time
@@MrSteeleFPV 👊😂
Cant wait to see your dji drone setup!!
Working hard on it.
I love your videos and I have now got a drone
Just ordered. Super excited. This'll be my upgrade from the standard frsky 2.4.
I wonder if this will also be more reliable over the frsky 2.4. I tend to have RXLOSS fairly often, even when in close range. We'll see I guess.
Thanks for this video!
hi what value of rssi is failsafe? im flying on dji airunit and when its unflyable have still control. dji on 1000mW
Great Video 👍
Nice wifi analogy, that's how I learned about radio frequencies.
I feel like IMC ghost being 2.4 Low latency AND LoRa is the best of both worlds. Flying XM+ right now and trying to decide what protocol to jump on.... Leaning ghost but going to give it a few more weeks.
same here!!
Hmmmmm
@@willsgledhill thought the same but went for tracer. Way better stats and more reliable and experienced company
I’ve had IMC ghost for a few weeks and i enjoy using it more than CRSF micro Tx.
@@edrizzle360 why?
Gotta love frequency hopping network connectivity...mmmmmoh yeahhhhhh!
Great Info!
Hi 👊🙏 I'm going to buy this kit just wondering what 3inch drone would you recommend, to run this system it has to be analogue not DJI digital 🤘
Quick question Steele, where can I get the files for those 3D prints?
Curious how this feels compared to CRSFshot locked at 150hz. Can't wait to see more reviews of it.
Its substantial
some serious pitch going on!
That's not a bad price actually. I will consider this for select quads in the future. I'm interested, but maybe I'll wait a bit.
Turn the sound off and watch a professional hand model holding a TX module for 15 minutes pointing at it occasionally.
subscribed!
Awesome, I have a set on order. Looking forward to try it. My greatest concern is always link robustness, i had so many problems with that on frksy and dji contol link but never on crossfire.
It’s obviously not as robust as crossfire. But. In my experience so far. About 30 flights of hardcore exploration and freestyle. It’s been hella solid. Not even an rssi warning
@@MrSteeleFPV Cool, the endgame for TBS would probably be a dual system that keeps fast 2,4 Ghz as long as possible but also has 900mhz fallback thats just always on. JETI has something similiar.
@@MrSteeleFPV Here's what I'd like to see. One transmitter module that can work with both crossfire and tracer, then you decide what reciever to put in which quad based on how that quad is used.
I like Thomas's idea too, but wouldn't you have to have two sets of antennas on the receiver for both frequencies?
@@MrSteeleFPV sorry Tobias not Thomas
I laughed hysterically at peter the penetrator
Hey man, firstly great video! Secondly, do you mind giving your opinion on 4-in-1 esc's vs individual ESC's? I finally built my first "racing quad" earlier this year and I'm already on my 3rd replacement. The first crash was pretty serious (a small flame lol), but the final two were small 6-8ft drops onto grass or mulch. I've had ppl suggest leaving the 4-in-1 alone, but can't I just 3d print something to protect the stack?
Very late random reply, but have you tried conformal coating? I almost never have stack issues. It also can heavily depend on the frame.
@steele can you link up the 3d print you're using for the antenna mount?
It's amazing to me how they keep squeezing more performance out of the same technology.
@Mr Steele , I have a question, if i buy TBS Mambo who have TBS Tracer built in, can i connect it with TBS Crossfire Nano RX receiver in my drone ? Will it work or no ?
That is badd ass Mr. Steele
My question is I have an xlite pro running frsky rxsr receivers and I'm switching to tbs tracer. I have one model set up for all my quads. Can I bind tbs tracer to three receivers and still be able to use same model on other quads with rxsr? Or do I need to set up new model? Also can you go through the set up and bind process.
JFYI Wifi is generally not frequency hopping. Sometimes a good access point would switch channel to avoid using an already congested one but that's it.
I researched this more and yes lol I was wrong Thank you. But. Like you said sometimes it can be but not in the same sense as an RC link.
@@MrSteeleFPV Don't worry. Your original point is still all correct: There's more bandwidth available in higher frequencies without disturbing other people but they experience higher attenuation especially through objects. It was the wise guy in my that had to point things out 😉 Keep up the unique flying and cool videos!
3ms latency! That is cockpit speed!
So in the future it will be possible to unlock the true potential of the module?
Greetings from Spain
DIBS! I call Dibs on all your old crossfire kit! You can send it to...
🥃cheers🍻
I wonder if TBS crossfire nano receiver 2 will work with crossfire module v1?
I think you should do a blind test. Two identical quads. Two radios. One with Crossfire, one with Tracer. Put your goggles on, have someone else hand you a radio and power up the quad. Then see if you can tell which it is.
It’s substantial man. I would be able to tell immediately. Believe me when I got it. I was like “oh great what is this. Another link to compete with ghost”. I tired it.. 🥾 in mouth
@@MrSteeleFPV But if you're flying DJI now, doesn't that negate any positive effect of Tracer?
@@twinturbostang yes because the whole loop time shrinks :)
Sold... Thanks Steely!
Good info
*2W max* & 4 Times faster, sounds good! 🔥
Awesome.... Will definitely switch from Frsky one day, $$ be the stopper. Need a new radio QX7 just doesn't work easily with this gear :(
The Tracer starter kit (TX and three RX units) comes with the inverter board to put into a QX7.
@@BikeGuyFPV Nice, I'm tempted but now wondering if I should just go old traditional crossfire haha.
Thank you for all the great information sir. I purchased the TBS tracer starter kit and I am currently using the jumper t8SG radio. I wanted to upgrade my radio. Could you suggest the best open TX radio for this module? I was looking to get the Radio Master T16SG. Would that be a good?
I like the t16sg. :)
So.... I put all my chips on TBS tracer. just wanted to let you know that I put a lot of faith in your word that TBS tracer was a great product. This will be the first time using any TBS product. Until now I've only used Frsky xm+. Only being in the hobby for 4 months, it's time for me to take more chances and that means better penetration with my radio. Thank you for your recommendation. Happy flying
Bro how do you align the collar of your inner and outer shirts so precisely?
HHaha. No idea. Just slapped that sucker on cause I was cold
Beard looks awesome
hi, any link to where you got the antenna mount you 3d printed? just ordered the apex kit and the new tracer tx, thanks
Any possible way to get this module to work with an older 2.4 GHz Futaba radio (12z)? JR adapters for the module bay can be purchased, I believe, but not sure about underlying compatibility.
Thanks for your in depth opinion ❤. I currently run Crossfire on my Tango 2 and am thinking about using Tracer for the Backup Quad. But since the DJI Goggles are also running on 2,4 Ghz wouldn't it make sense to run Tracer on all of my Quads? Because if you can't fly 2,4 Ghz in an area with e.g. lots of Wifi the DJI Goggles also wont work, right? You think Tracer on 1W still outperforms the DJI Goggles on 1200mw with AXII 8db Patch Antennas and lots of trees?
Your talking 2 different things brotha... Tracer is strictly your control link.... Dji is all video .... They don't interfere with each other
I ve a question i m new to the hobby and bought a radiomaster tx16s and the velocitydrones simulator. After some training i want to buy me a real drone. I want to buy me the Nazgul 5 which receiver should i take I have two options to choose the frsky xm or the R-Xsr?
And is this drone compatibel to the eachine ev100 googles?
Just like Steele said in the Tracer raw video it's "Stupid" fast!
Big fan, great points as always. Im no where near good enough to notice the difference and was a late adopter to crossfire. Im going to stick with it but I can totally see why you would switch.
crossfire has greater range and penetration tho, and the latency is not much slower. (especially with the coming official update, crsf shot)
@@cinialvespow1054 Those are also reasons I'm sticking with crossfire. Its better all around for me but I more than understand Steele switching.
Very interesting 👍
Being an ameteur pilot who does mid range max 2km and freestyle in bandos, will I notice something when I substitute my crossfire for TBS Tracer? or because of my level of flight I'm not going to notice much change either.
Probably not, I seen where Steele responded to someone else that it’s like building computers there is always going to be something come out better but where you are at in the hobby I doubt you will notice it’s more like splitting hairs
Where did you get the immortal t mounts?? Can't find those particular ones anywhere
Damn bro - did you do that whole video in 1 take?
I'm interested in that safty cone and why is it next to your desk? 😂
It's obviously there for safety.
Different kinda penetrator? Use it upside down maybe and it becomes Fred the Funnel?
Trappy said on his livestream that it can go higher and in a later firmware it may be put up to 400hz. 😄
I bought into crossfire a couple of months ago. A little gutted, but at my level, I don't think ill even notice the lower latency.
You’ll be fine man. It’s like pc building. The latest and greatest is always one step ahead of you but. What you have is so damn good you’d never know unless you just have the perfect use case where you need the fastest of the fastest. Crossfire suited me perfectly for The last 4 years. All of my videos I was using it.
There’s not much to increase on haha we’re splitting hairs here
Fantastic rundown on Tracer 👍 we just got our second module, so both of us will be using it 🚀
🙏🏼. Thanks guys ! I am in love. You gotta try it with DJI. It’s pretty sweet
@@MrSteeleFPV Thomas actually flew a monster quad running black magic with the DJI Radio. We were talking about possibly switching that to Crossfire but I'm thinking this could be even better
@@MrSteeleFPV Do either of you see a flicker on analog R6 and R7 when the Tracer module is powered on?
Great now I want it...
you can upload a video showing the rates you use on your drone ?
What's the point of having very low latency on the controls side if the Fpv Video transmission has a much higher latency especially with the DJI system?
where can I find a 3d printed antenna mount for the tracer set up for a QAV-S?
Yo Steele it's ok to use that 4in1 esc that's only rated for 5s?
Could you please make a field test and like stress test it to its limits to see what would be the range? One on the open field and one in an urban environment...I think a lot of guys n girl would like to see that. 😊
I’m sure someone will do a video like this. But I can also when i go out in the best few weeks
@@MrSteeleFPV Cool man, thanks!
This looks very interesting 🧐. I just ordered a Taranis qx7, fat shark scout, and the drone of choice is Diatone r349. I’m not sure about putting a Tracer receiver on my 3” but would it work? Maybe when I get a 5”. If I were to diy install this do I get rid of something or do I just install the receiver? I am very new to fpv. Haven’t even gotten my transmitter yet.
Yeah man any size drone can run any control link as long as the rx fits inside. You can just run one antenna if you don’t have room for 2 on a small drone. Hope this helps
@@MrSteeleFPV thanks for the reply broskie. Lowkey been watching your freestyle vids all morning super stoked to get my drone in. Been running DCL on my Xbox everyday now 😂
If you have a QX7 do you have to do the same hardware mod for the tracer that you have to do for crossfire?
Great video, where can I get the bracket that holds the small fpv watch monitor to my taranis x9d+
It’s just dual lock Velcro and some layers of double sided sticky tape. :). We janky round these parts
@@MrSteeleFPV cool man thx
For people cruising the cities with Wi-Fi routers and other devices everywhere is 2.4 recommended?
man you need to put Peter the Penetrator on that -____-