Porsche PDK vs Manual Transmission
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Take a closer look at the advantages of both the PDK dual-clutch transmission and the manual transmission options in the Porsche 911.
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Finally, someone is using classical music for sports car clips. Thank you!
Isnt it wonderful? No Americam Der Der Der Der Der electric guitar crap!
Exactly, my mom was a 34 year member of a major orchestra, so my ear is used to it.
#3 reason to get a manual is keeps unwanted drivers from asking to test drive it
Are you from EEUU? in the rest of the world, or Europe at least everyone know drive manual, but not PDK, like me, all my friends and family know drive manual, i think none know drive PDK, or DSG...
So, 3 would be weight, manual is a lot lighter.
Who doesn’t know how to drive an auto?
Walter Coleman Europeans. Looks like North Americans have a skill that you Europeans lack.
Auto car = big go-cart imo, 2 pedals stop n go so any idiot can drive auto, manual takes dexterity and timing, the only disadvantage is in traffic ques.
Kevin Norris what are you talking about? Auto is auto... what do you need to “KNOW” to drive it?
Can you shift into drive? Great you know how to drive it. Wtf does this comment even mean,
1:38 that was amazing
Manual gearbox is the best anti theft device you can have on your car :P
Roger Meldal well- not here in Germany ...
Almost every third world and developing countries have manual transmissions in majority of their vehicles. Manuals are not that special, maybe for you but not for everybody else. It’s quite baffling why westerners are so hyped for such prehistoric transmission.
TheGomezIndustries lol, we’re not hyped about anything prehistoric.
Yes, as always, everyone outside North America wants to wonder why were so obsessed with manuals. Well were not.. statistically 98% of cars sold in NA are auto. 2% or less are manual.
That 2% of us, the exact kind of people who would go out of their way to pick manual over automatic, are a vocal and romantic bunch. We miss manual. There’s no debating efficiency, fuel economy, even performance now leans towards auto, but manuals are still more fun.
Even PDK vs manual, you have to admit the stick is more fun.
So, for you where manual are common, easy to find secondhand, even easy to find new... well here they are not. Here you have to look hard and you may not find the right car you are searching for.
So, we miss manual, and we have every right to miss it. Don’t be that “non-westerner” who never shuts up about how common they are and westerners are just dumb.
Seek to understand.
@Shikhar Shah
Well, help me understand. Manuals suck in traffic and slow on the track, how is that fun? Some guys say it’s the “driver involvement” but that thing will get real old real fast as you lose time lap after lap to DCTs. When did losing a race became fun?
TheGomezIndustries lol, how many people do you know who race? Like literally RACE? I’m sorry, I won’t be able to help you understand. If you don’t get it, you just won’t get it. Driving manual obviously doesn’t mean that much to you.
Very few people track their car, and those that do, go to open track days. At that point, I promise you, nobody gives a fuck when you’re driving a Miata/BRZ and being passed by M4s and 911s with DCTs.
The dudes in the slow ass BRZ are probably having more fun, because of driver engagement. You’re not competing against anyone but yourself, and you’re having fun doing it.
I drive a Subaru WRX, I have owned 3 faster, more expensive, “luxury” vehicles.
I chose to go from those cars to a WRX manual. And now I drive this thing like grandma most of the time, except for rare occasions on the highway where I get to open it up and go fast.
For me, driving 2km to the grocery store at 60kmh is fun because I get to shift gears. I love it.
You don’t. And you obviously don’t get it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"I'm not gonna run down PDK..." Wears a T-shirt that says anyone with PDK needs to scratch their vagina while driving it. Priceless. :)
He bought the 4s though..., maybe Nick has a penis and a vagina ? (...) Worst - YT comment - ever, he brings out the best in me, sorry! :)
If I can get a manual, i'll always go for it!
Finally someone did a video on PDK vs Manual. Great video Nick! I love my base model 991 manual.
Save the stick!
Great video, I went with manual for the #1 reason, keeps people from wanting to drive my car, not too many manual drivers in the city.
The PDK is faster but numbers are boring. Id take the more involving manual any day of the week!
@biocybernaut Not really. Porsche and Aston Martin have said that as long as people continue to buy manuals then they will continue to make them. Besides, call me old fashioned but for me driving is one of life's few simple pleasures and nothing beats changing the gears for yourself and listening to a beautiful combustion engine howl!
Well, they're not going anywhere just yet :)
I found dual clutch transmissions more fun than manual. I've been driving manual for 15 years now but but if you enjoy performance driving I think pdk makes it much more fun.
YUP!
Theres a reason for that… its because their cars don't suit manuals. They're performance cars and are so damn fast that a manual gearbox simply wouldn't work. However the majority of sports car manufactures like Porsche offer manuals because they're drivers cars and don't focus as much on lap times and 0-60.
Nick, your videos are great. As an Aussie Porsche enthusiast, I enjoy your unique, honest and authentic style.
I’ve been driving manuals for decades. Backroad touring, auto crossing, track days... I’ve mastered heel toe, can double clutch, and even worked out how to change gears without disengaging the clutch (using the throttle to manipulate the internals of the gearbox). I’m comfortable enough to say that I’m an expert with a manual clutch.
At this point, I think I’ll take the PDK. The part of the drive I take the most pleasure in now is in feeling out the suspension and balancing the car. Not having to work a clutch and shifter gives me more brain cells to focus on what the car is telling me at all stages of a corner.
One of the BEST porsche videos i have ever seen! Simple yet informative.well done.
PDK is very good but I found it boring, so went with manual for my latest Porsche, a Boxster GTS. After 30K miles, much of it in traffic, I'm still so glad I got the manual. It's such a good manual box, effortless and a joy to use.
james737 is the pdk basically a automatic car?cause it doesn’t look like he changes gears
@@cobra4938 its a computer controlled box they use solenoids to do the gear changing. it has twin shafts so different gears are on each shaft the problem with it is if the computer fails and solenoids it cost a fortune to to replace.
A manual in traffic? Sarcasm I suppose?
@@moekhan95 What he is saying is that.... it's not as comfortable as the PDK. Regardless, it still is not giving you a regret or headache of using the manual in traffic.
The problem with PDK is, if you don't want the next gear up (or down if you're in top gear) or the other gear in instant reserve (in this video's case, third was in instant reserve, on the other clutch, in case Nick floored it which he did) then it definitely takes an appreciable fraction too long to switch gears. It doesn't happen often but if you're cruising in top gear and select a different gear on the other clutch's shaft with the paddle, it feels like it takes ages.
I've driven manuals my entire life and consider myself a diehard manual fanboy, but I'd seriously consider the PDK if I was buying a 911. That extra speed as well as the ability to focus on other things while on the track are very appealing to me. That said, I might miss the engagement of driving a manual too much because it's all I've known for decades. Tough choice indeed.
easy choice, sounds like Porsche manual transmission is more practical if youre on the racetrack, all the time. or speeding through traffic, like a racecar driver, all the time.
@@victorvaca7429 We're all different. Your though process is yours alone.
Hey dig5485, reading ur comment made me feel as if I’d already had my say! No doubt I’m probably quite a bit older than most of you meaning I most likely have a few more years under my belt
Sorry, I hadn’t finished my comment but I so SO AGREE w/ you on this. Now obviously to each his own but seriously!!! Who gives a crap about a half a second here or there!!?? Even if you’re at a track day , there’s no PRIZE MONEY to be WON so why in the world would you compromise ! I’m 63yo & my 2018/C7/M7/Z06 Vette was 1 of only 4 ….yes, only 4 in the entire country that was a single owner/no accidents/3LZ & of course…… a manual transmission! I’ve learned in all my years to NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER COMPROMISE on buying your special vehicle because no matter how much you lie to urself ….trying to convince urself that this PDK or Tiptronic transmission will be ok & youll learn to love it….. thats so very WRONG. WRONG WRONG!
1st of all there’s nothing remotely AFFORDABLE where PORSCHE 911’s are concerned!! The huge financial chips are already against you here so WHY would you add problems with the yes & no’s , meaning there’s already numerous possible issues/ concerns mounted against you where buying a Turbo or TurboS is concerned so why gv urself a huge issue to hv to deal with right off the bat!!?? All I’m saying is BE PATIENT! Your 5/6/ or 7 speed manual IS OUT THERE!! DO NOT SETTLE W/a PDK. I KNOW THE ODDS ARE HUGELY STACKED AGAINST YOU AS THEY ARE WITH ME but you’ll find it eventually & when you do…… oh Man oh man!!! You’ll feel an awesome pride you’ve NEVER FELT BEFORE!! OMG!! It’s worth the wait. Trust me on this! DO NOT SETTLE!! Don’t do it. Rob
I have PDK on mine and I love the instant and always perfect gear shifts. I totally get that you are more involved with the sport-driving feeling with a manual, I used to drive one and I always like it.
Alain Pérez question?Is the pdk basically a automatic?can you drive it as a automatic?Im wondering
Joshua Corleto Pdk is automatic, it’s just what Porsche calls their tranny
@@iPvpTiger no its a manual duel clutch computer controlled box not an automatic.
@@olofssonwarren what is the difference?
@@olofssonwarren What are you talking about?
Great video! Very clear and understandable explanation of the differences between the two transmissions. Well done.
These videos just keep getting better! My old Boxster is stick and I prefer it over the PDK which I tried at a Porsche test drive event. Well done, Nick!
Thanks for this, enjoyed watching! Nice to involve your buddy. Looking forward what comes next.
Another great video nick. I never knew i could knock the car into neutral by pulling the paddles in the PDK. Will try it next time i take it out.
Do it in first and keep your foot in and you'll get a nice rolling burnout. :-)
Finally everybody can learn from this video what the difference is between a pdk and an automatic gearbox - good job Nick!
Nick! Great video as always but I think including hill hold and automatic restart of the engine when you stall is a pretty cool feature of these newer manual cars that'll get people to try one out before going to the pdk right away. Thanks for the video
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Nick. Thank you for the informative and entertaining video! Enjoy your channel. Btw. Love the exterior color and interior you chose.
Nick, love your videos! Small PDK tidbit: To engage the coasting mode in manual, you do not pull both paddles, you shift up *beyond* the highest gear (which might be 7th, but when you're driving slow might come earlier). This puts the transmission into the same coasting mode as in automatic, with the gear still showing and, most importantly, engaging the gas pedal will get you out of coasting mode immediately. Pulling both paddles is more akin to putting the gear lever into Neutral.
Excellent video! I like the way how you explain things. I also like how you cover your points!
This was a very nice Video. Really really got to know a lot about PDK thanks to you. Love the editing and the way the entire video is made. keep it up buddy. I personally feel, higher segment sports car like 911 must progress to such Auto transmissions which would make the car more efficient and easy to drive. It would make it a easy for daily use. Cars like Mazda MX5 should have a Manual to enjoy the drive. That segment of accessible performance cars should be enjoyed with Manuals. Thats what i feel.
Beautiful cars. You did a very good job of making PDK understood and seem a good option. I would have to test drive both to make a decision.
Nicely done as always. When I ordered my M2 I had an internal conflict over transmission choice. I have driven manual cars for many years and enjoy manuals but decided to go with the DCT for those reasons you listed. I have to say I absolutely love the DCT, my M2 is the first car I have ever driven with one. Many like to debate what is the "real" drivers gearbox which is really a silly use of energy. As car people we should be happy to have two excellent choices in cars like the 911, Cayman, M2, M3 etc etc rather than trying to shame those who chose a DCT. I really appreciate the fact that you present the information in a way that shows the benefits of both. I get really tired of reading reviews or seeing video reviews where the journalist (loose definition in most cases) says the manual transmission is the only option to select.
Also, most who talk about DCTs have never driven one. Many of the most diehard manual guys who drive a DCT have a true appreciation for them even if they would not buy one if they had the choice. My 911 manual transmission diehard buddy could not wipe the smile off his face when he had a chance at a hardcore go in my M2.
That drag race cinched it for me. I’m getting the PDK. Besides, I have a old manual sports car still in the garage for those special occasions. Thanks Nick!
good stuff Nick. I had a Golf DSG before but I've gone back to a manual now. Just more fun!
Always enjoy your video Nick. Keep it up.
Nick I drove the new 911 today with a 7-speed manual. It was just a "base" model. Best car I have ever driven in my life. All I really need in life is just an empty road and a 911 with a manual gearbox. That's how happy I was in that car. Gearbox is amazing.
Awesome video! I noticed that I drive on that road you're reviewing all the time! Cool coincidence
What I would like to know is whether or not the dent causes your car to be slower because the air over the dent causes turbulence in the slip stream...............just kidding..............great job and keep em between the lines.
The car feels about 10% faster with the dent, I think I will leave it there
Nick Murray Why stop there? More dents, more performance!
Nick Murray it's like a golf ball.
More front end down force ?
If you put a dent on the other side, will it be 20% faster? At least it will look symmetrical.
Another great video Nick. Pros and cons of each clearly laid out. PDK in my Macan S and stick in my Boxster Spyder. The Spyder is much more fun for lots of reasons. Had an M3 and always wished it had a third peddle.
Driving a manual is like walking around with your hand on your gentleman's sausage. You just feel more secure. Absolutely amazing.
Wow. Those gear changes are extremely quick.
One of the best examples of the two transmissions.
This is a really good, honest, and informative comparison! Readers should note that not all "automatic" transmissions are created equal. Dual-clutch transmissions, like Porsche's PDK, have some characteristics that owners need to understand (e.g., don't "crawl" in traffic with a PDK). And lastly, Porsche's dual-clutch transmission is arguably an example of one of the best "automatics" around for sporty driving.
That was really interesting - some stuff I had not known! Thanks.
Great comparison Nick! Thank you!
I also like Peter Kay...
Bazinga
Very interesting vid ! Learned much thx, guess I'm just old & set in my ways & would also choose manual regardless of disadvantages because I just like the illusion of being in control.
@Nick Murray, another advantage is you can get PAS (automatic emergency braking) and ACC only with PDK. PAS is a safety feature and is good to have as you had highlighted in your ACC/PAS video with previous 911.
Good point!
Very nice explanation Nick! Thank you! 😀👍
Great video Nick! a bunch of stuff I didn't know about PDK... Maybe better for Seattle/San Francisco? And hatred slow traffic... My left foot would get board... Really fun! Franny
This is really great information. All of these things you mentioned, I am aware of from time to time. But seeing them all listed together makes me feel all warms and fuzzy all over, like I have something special with my PDK (I can never remember the German name for PorscheDopplerKin..I can't remember. Manual: the reason is to row gears and to control when the shift is done without anything to tell you what to do. With what you said, I've just come to rely on PDK and gotten used to it. Mostly I just drive in automatic, but I don't have F1 style shifters. I have a 991 oddball shifters: little chrome levers at the corners of the bars that connect the steering wheel that has the round part. These levers can be pushed or pulled on either side of the steering wheel to be albe to move up or down in the gear range on either side. Of course I can also use the gear lever, by moving it over to the left. I can't even tell you which way the engagement goes, up or down to go into a lower or a higher gear. I don't use that feature because it is too slow and I can't really remember which way it should go when I need it. The steering wheel switches/shifters, on the other hand, I remember most of the time and even if I make a mistake, I immediately correct the mistake faster than someone else can manually shift, once. My version is an early spec 991. Some options usually available on the 991, were not even available on my car when I spec.'d it.
"PDK reads your mind" Exactly. I avoided ordering a 992 Turbo S for a long time because of the lack of a manul option, but zero regrets. I really shifts like I would in most cases, and easy to override on the paddle shifters when you need to. It is not like any other car with a automatic. I still have other p-cars with manuals so I don't have to give it up entirely, but glad I have one with the PDK as it is truly amazing.
Great video Nick !
That was very informative. Taught me a lot.
very good video nick
Thanks dude , loved this video
It may have already been mentioned #3 reason for owning a manual; you can push start it :)
Push start a Porsche? I cant remember the last time I had to do that with any car, even my old MG TD.
Never had a dead battery? It's actually VERY common to have a dead battery in any car. advantage manual.
Good work Nick , I would prefer the manual also just like my focus RS
Cool comparison! I made a vid on my channel comparing Cayman manual & pdk and actually preferred the pdk in it!
Nice review of the Joel clutch transmission! :p
I have to agree. Manual is what you need to actually enjoy the porsche. Had a 997 years ago but am thinking I should go back. Brilliant review. And honest.
awesome video!
Hey Nick, I've got a 2017 Golf with the 7 speed dsg which works the same as the PDK system. One thing I wanted to ask (if you knew this or not) is with coast mode - The golf has this available in the "eco-mode" driving selection and I was wondering if it does disengage the clutches, or if it increases wear on the clutches by having them both engaged? (is it the same as coasting in a manual with your foot on the clutch)
Yeah manual for me as well. Love the spec of your car by the way Nick. Some very nice colour choices. I'd get the S instead of the 4S but that's just me.
Nick great comparison.
The manual weighs 44 lbs less than PDK. 44 lbs. Of rear end mass. 44 lbs. Andreas Preuninger is justifiably proud of shaving 5 lbs with the expensive magnesium roof of the GT3RS. This is 44 lbs right off the rear end. This is a big deal. Also if your manual goes bad out of warranty no biggie, couple grand. PDK? $20k. They don't fix PDK, they replace PDK. Other than missing these biggies, great video.
nice video well done. my GT3 manual will shift gears WHILE keeping my foot planted on the gas. i dont have to lift off the gas. its extremely smooth with barely any interruption of power. wondering if other 911s have this?? and if not, why. it really levels the playing field between pdk vs manual....
Didn't know about the rev matching in the 991 manual. Looks like it works quite well.
HI Nick, I have a 991.2 Targa 4S manual which I love, apart from the "clanking / chattering" of the transmission when I am travelling at low speed / low revs and torque is applied to or taken off the transmission. I have taken the car to the dealer three times to rectify, they have replaced the gearbox but it is still there. I have had two previous 911 manuals (997.2, 991.1) and neither had this problem. It is driving me nuts - does yours make the same noises or have you heard of any other 991.2 manuals having the same problem? Cheers Steve
Love the Guards Red.
Great comparison, have you driven a Porsche with a tiptronic box, it's going back a few years, changing gears by pressing buttons on the steering wheel was great on twisty roads.
Hi Nick. Can you please share your equipment list? I'm very impressed with the in-car suction mounts you have.
Last 3 911s have been manual. This time i got a pdk T. Love the manual but tired of shifting for a while. Im loving the Pdk lets me relax in traffic, launch mode is fun and mountain roads are blast with paddles. I just love both trannys
Hi Nick, I am between 2010 - 911 and Boxster. Which one would you pick? Thanks a lot for the great content.
Nice video !!.
I prefer manual transmission too.
Porsche it is always the best
Thanks man. I wish I had a porche. But this was dope
another thing to love manual
preventing from theft
rare
lighter
I’d take the PDK. The metal clicking is so satisfying.
Really well done and informative
Greg are you by any chance dutch?
Great video once again Nick!!
I drove MT for over 35 years, Porsche, Lotus, Mercedes and so on... I thought I would have never given up MT, but somehow I bought my last Porsche with a PDK and I love it. It's involving if you wish, just set it on Sport Plus, manual mode, and play with the paddles. Otherwise it's relaxing if you prefer cruising along and with your free hand - using Nick's words - scratch the vagina... sitting on the other seat :-)
by having manual transmission, means additional theft preventive measure :P
Any update on the dent removal ?
Manual till I die! Great video!
Such a great video. PDK it is. Thanks.
Very nice videos!
Greetings from Brazil.
Cracking, thanks Nick
Nick, either one is very cool. I'm just glad we're talking about PDK and not DPRK (North Korea) where that wacko rules the nest. (Mike in Ohio)
That engine sounds beaut once you get the revs up
There are those who will voice their opinion , good and bad. Don't inhale. It takes great skill and courage to put yourself out there. Always go forward and do your best. I have never seen a statue for a critic.
Hey, js the sony action cam records audio better it seems I recommend looking into grabbing one just cus theyd up the quality even more
Nick, nice review ! But:
-A PDK is maybe better for fuel economy but a PDK is much more heavy.
-A PDK is not maintenance free, you have to change the oil every 40'000miles, and the clutch least in average 130'000 miles (but you've said should least the life of the car).
Keep going, your content is great and mature !
Good argument about weight, but u need to change oil in manual gearboxes also, so... ;)
If you drive right rpm, your fuel economy will be better, just think for a second. And if you do quick shift, you will beat the dct's time, because manual's drivetrain loss is less than dct, thats science and fact. Shift like a grandma and say, "MAnUaLs aRe sLOw". Because of lazyning.
great video! I would like to see you in a 991 gt3rs for a test drive!
Finaly a video that accurately shows a comparison between a manual and the PDK, the PDK is so different to the manual, its not really a direct comparison. Your brain says PDK your heart says manual.😀
i didn't like your review of the M4 with the manual, but I'm glad you chose the manual in the 911... the better choice to stay engaged with a sports car.
Yipeeee....PDK vs Manual video for the hungry hounds!
Nick Murray knows his stuff! He is also a dead give away for a Jason Bourne look-a-like!
Great video! Thank you very much for being objective.
"New Nick Murray's" accent is way better!
Not just the accent!
My 991.1 7 MT might be slightly different than your .2, but I think the manual transmission is still about 50 lbs lighter than the PDK. Clearly, the weight isn't hurting the PDK cars any! Also, do you find with the auto start/stop feature, it's a bit easier to control with the manual via the clutch pedal? If you are using it, but know the light or your traffic situation is going to change, you can just keep the clutch in, and the system won't engage. Can you modulate the brake pedal to do the same with PDK? (I don't know).
Very helpful video! Thankyou.
thanks again for good info, good videos
I just want a new GT3 with the manual sooooo bad
There is one its called a 911R same engine with a manual and some other small differences
Actually, the new 991.2 GT3 4.0L engine is MUCH better than the 911R 4.0L. The 991.2 GT3 is overall a better car than the 911R when considering all of the changes as a sum.
motorwerksgroup that really depends on what you want out of your car. If you're all about lap times and shaving of milliseconds off your time then the GT3RS is for you but if you're in it for the driving experience then the 911R is now fun with its manual gearbox and no sound deadening it's a real drivers car 🚗
Dude I just ordered a 2018 911 gt3 lol
Daniel Desmond but the GT3 Touring is basically the better and cheaper 911R...