I've spent a fair bit of time driving the 991.1GTS and 991.2 C2S on windy roads. And have maybe 30 hours in the 992 C4. Sound: *no question* the 991.1. Here's the thing-- the 992 is an absolute beast. It's blazing fast, the steering GT3-like, and the power curve much more forgiving. The 991.2 feels in-between but smaller and more limber. You go to driving a 991.1 again and you're like "huh, that's kinda lame"... until you go to a windy road and really drive the 991.1 hard and can't help but laugh and smile. No, the 991.1 isn't the fastest. Of course not. The steering isn't quite as precise, the PDK feels a bit slower. Off the line the acceleration isn't as aggressive (it really starts to feel good around 5000) But very few cars I've driven have had me giggling like a child like that. It's *fun*. Truth is the 991.1 (even more so the GTS) is more car than you'll likely ever be able to safely drive on public roads.
What are your thoughts on daily driving a manual 991.1? I have 3 kids and I would like to drive them to school everyday in it. If that's not possible... I'll just use my Audi Q7
If you want a Turbo, buy a 991 3.8 Turbo instead of it's little sister. I had a choice, but I decided to buy the 991.1 GTS. The NA brings a lot more fun to my ears, heart and feel of the car. In the long run they will hold and maybe go up in value in time. Just look at the Ferrari NA 458 vs. There newer model the 488 Turbo. The Ferrari NA 458 are getting harder to find and more expensive to buy.
Finally we get 2 cars in the same spec. Both big standard carreras. Hopefully both with the same transmission. I hate it when other vids do a comparison and the cars r totally different. What's the point
I get that a mag called Total 911 has to keep all sorts of ardent Porsche fans happy, but it doesn't half end up being a totally pointless crock o' bollocks. I've bought a few issues, and it's always the same... Porsche's new car? Brilliant. The old one? Brilliant. Want to know which of 12 911 variants is the most fun? They all are. Air cooled vs water cooled? Both brilliant. Ever struggled to choose between a Mk1 or Mk2 996 GT3? Struggle no more - they're both precisely the same amount of brilliant. Fancy a water cooled 4 cylinder Porsche but not sure which one would work best for you? They all would. I mean... what is the effing point?
Yeah 991.2 lost all the essential sound and they didn't even mention it! What's the point of this video - just to show two shiny cars with picturesque nature in the background and make couple of silly jokes in front of them??
Lee Sibley First, this is like an elephant in the room, and it's rather strange not to mention it in this "vs" video! Second, your RUclips service is far from free, as it is a direct advertisment of your publishing brand and magazines. Not that there is anything wrong with it, just don't call it free please.
It's cost you nothing to watch our video so it is quite obviously free - and we're not going to put all our comment and content on a free service. If you want the most in-depth assessment of the 911 anywhere in the world you'll find it in Total 911 magazine (991.1 v 991.2 is issue 137). In the meantime, 35k views and counting, thanks!
Having just traded in my 991 gen 1 for a gen 2 I can without hesitation concur with their findings that the gen 2 is a far superior car. The NA engine in the gen 1 did have immediate throttle response, but this is not translated into 'pickup' unless you have over 5,000 rpm, which in the real world generally requires changing down 2 or 3 gears to find the surge in power. I've not noticed any discernable turbo lag in the gen 2 and having full torque at circa 2,000 rpm is a whole new fun packed experience. The 991.2 is an unbelievable machine with neck snapping performance, for the money it can't be beaten.
+Denis Leith Lol, i get it. i currently have a cayman gts and I'm waiting to see the 991.2 911 gts or gt3 991.2 when they come out. i may be in the market to place an order but only if it's n/a in a porsche, no turbos. if 911s are turbos, than I'll take a nissan gtr or a zl1 ;).
As a prior 991.1 S owner and current owner of a 991.2 base I can say without hesitation the turbo is a good thing! My 991.2 base with pdk is ridiculously tractable at all times and ready to rip through the gears without hesitation. This is miles ahead of my 991.1 S MILES; imo. I think the turbos are small so they spin up quickly, the engine sounds great with the turbos!
I prefer the natural aspirated engines. I know that turbos are more fuel efficient and produce higher velocity, but you lose the visceral experience with them. Its enough loss that a few MPH gained won't compensate for...
Every day of the week... the 991 Gen 1 Carrera S ! For me it is the Porsche benchmark. also, the last naturaly aspirated series. And O.... did I mention the sound compared to the turbo's?
I had 992 C2s pdk, sold and bought 991.1 C2S 7spd. It’s the best decision I have ever taken. I enjoy every second i drive the car now. The only car can match is GT3 with 6spd man.
This is very timely. I have a stunning 992C2S PDK however I'm thinking of doing the same, swapping to a naturally aspirated 991.1 C2S. I'd love a manual but there's so few of them around. Do you miss any of the modern touches of the 992? I'm looking for something to drive and enjoy.
@@Mrhappy33664 Considering I bought my 991.1 GTS in 2018 when for the same money (more on that below) I could have bought a new 991.2 GTS, it pretty well tells you that I knew what I wanted. I wanted a naturally aspirated 911 much like my 993. I did not want turbos or a PDK. That said, I have driven the 992 C2S and C4S on the track with PDK and they are all very nice...on the track, but it is not a vehicle I would want as my own for back roads driving. The hit you in your butt with a turbo and the PDK would wear thin on me in no time and yes, I know the advantages of a turbo coming from the aviation world. I bought my 991.1 GTS with a mere 98 miles (157 km) on it when it was just over 3 years old and it came with $45,620 in mostly performance factory options. Yes it was expensive and I could easily have bought a new 991.2 GTS for that money. Try to find a used vehicle with only one very particular owner and then keep it. I can never understand why Porsche owners flip their cars so often.
I always found the latest and greatest is an improvement. I have had 13 Porsche's and they always seem to improve in driving and track experience. Sound is a part , but when your high in the mountains the twin turbos will kill a normally aspirated engine 911. Ask any Porsche factory driver, they love the old cars but love the new cars, same for Dr. Porsche.
I have a gen 1 911S and absolutely love the engine sound, it gets me grinning every time however I love the looks of the Gen 2 and think the subtle tweaks have really modernised it. I would be forced to consider looks over sound now and am not convinced. I can see the Gen 1's holding their value for a lot longer now
Mr Jack ... does your front wheel steering stutters when you turn the steering wheel all the way to right or left at low speed fwd and reverse. mine makes that noise when I'm backing out from the drive way onto street making hard turns and the noise goes away when I straighten out the wheels. I'm wondering if thats normal coming from electric assist.
Your standing in front of both cars blocked my view to compare how they look, remember this is a video and you can stand between the cars or off to the side and we can still hear you. Seeing the cars is very important.
+Forester Wong i was not comparing them i think you missed the point. I was making that extreme "comparison" as you say to show that im ammused by the sound crowd. Having said that I admit I have not driven a 911. I'm a new BMW 328i owner for the record, so I'm becoming very familiar with turbo motors and their benefits and shortcomings (sound is no one of them for me).
I have a late Gen1 Black Edition & love it to bits, having not driven a Gen 2 yet I'm not really qualified to comment, but my gut feeling is the gen 2 will make getting the best from it so easy, I don't want that from a sports car I like having to work the car harder its far more rewarding & exciting. So sorry I disagree & for a mag dedicated to 911 I'm disappointed. May be I'll eat my words when I do drive a Gen2.............. no mention of the sound?? Gen 1 must be a winner
On my initial drive of the base Carrera 991.2, I was not blown away by the power and the sound certainly takes a hit. Extra Tq is nice for sure but I love the sound of the NA when revving it out. Still, I think as most of us predicted when the 3.0T was launching, those who like to modify their vehicles for extra power will appreciate the ease of tuning the new turbo engines. So that few MPH you mention becomes a substantial difference with a set of hybrid turbos and light supporting mods boasting 550+ to the wheels and 997 Turbo performance figures. I'm an old school forced induction junky and love the Tq from the onset and tuning potential provided going forward. Performance like that outweighs the sound for me.
The rear of the 991.2 is significantly more harmonious than that of the 991.1. And it's a lot of fun when the engine screams at you when you're driving briskly in sports-mode.😅
I definitely agree the new 991.2 turbo is amazing and doesn't feel like turbo at all. Porsche did it again, that's why I decided to go with the 991.2 base Carrera with Chrono package faster than the 991 S.
The snap crackle pop of the 991.2 is just awful, so pleased I managed to find a 991.1 with very low miles I will be hanging on to it for a very long time. The na sound is music to my ears and I never ever tire of hearing it.
The only thing better about the 991.1 is the S wheels. They look better than the 991.2 S wheels. I wanted to buy a 991 with an S or 4S behind the 911 on the rear but after driving the base model 991.2, I was seriously impressed with the acceleration across all typical street driving scenarios. The interior updates are also greatly worth the step forward and the subtle exterior styling cues will be here a while. Add to that, steering feel and PDK improvements… that’s why my nearly $90k went for a well specd 991.2 Base Carrera rather than an S or 4S model 991.1.
From consumption perspective which one is better between Gen 1 and Gen 2 between normal and sports plus modes. I am a huge fan of N/A over speed are the driving and handling dynamics of Gen 2 better than Gen 1 if you were to take a car on a road trip across all road types.
My understanding is that Porsche was forced into the change from naturally aspirated to turbo-charged to meet new regulations regarding CO2 emissions and fuel economy. Otherwise we would be driving naturally aspirated 911s forever and the turbo would be the insane machine, 911 Turbo, it always has been. I am holding on to my 991 from 2014 until the next big thing comes along in 2018. I'll bet it's a hybrid.
+Denis Leith Lol, yeah they want you to buy it, but the sound differences are immense. i believe the 991.2 911 is faster, handels better with rear wheel steering and has turbos but doesn't that fundamentally change what the 911 edginess was all about. Much like the theoretical bull in a china shop, lamborghini. The porsches where famously different and difficult to get right but when you did it was magic. The 991.1 was a real game changer, new motor, better handeling, better sounding to me except for poor steering feel. but now, turbo-ing every 911 except a few is a mistake or a cold money grab calculation. i believe it's a money grab, could be wrong though. Think about it, more expensive to fix and who is supplying the turbos? China? Either way it's guaranteed to go down and take forever to get parts and cost more to repair or replace, on top of that, repairs to the flat 3.0 engine. Currently to replace a 3.4 flat 6 in a 911 is over 15k unless it's a rebuild, then add in labor. this shows me that you should keep your n/a porsches 911s, boxters/caymans their going to be worth alot more when you can no longer buy one, in gt3 or any other form. the problem i have with the change was that it was unnecessary, all those great motor, sad :'(.
Bours911 for starters, when in Drive at a low rpm and in sport plus, floor the throttle, the clutch engagement is more aggressive on the .2. Also, when full throttle upshifting in sport plus in the .2 there is a nice thud rather than a lurch forward in the .1. Then there is the + and - orientation of the PDK center console selector which is now correct in the .2 The sound symoser of the .1 had an ugly vacuume suction in the cabin that I could feel in my right ear drum. The .2 addressed it by putting two sound symposers that seem to cancel out this suction sensation of the ear drum. The steering on the .2 has much more fidelity than the .1 And much more...
Porsche doesn`t do "ballsed it up". With Porsche you know the latest product will be even better than the previous,no matter what. Hell,they even managed to turn the Panamera into a good LOOKING car. And that`s no small feat.
It's always been like this with Porsche owners. The new car is always too soft and lacks [insert mechanical nostalgic technology] that the older car had. Porsche owners love to say "it's the last of the _____ cars"
This is very true. The thing that is different now, is that Porsche is forced by green politics to use turbo engines. Anyway I believe most people will like the gen. 2 car more. It is very usable and effortless, fantastic car. Still I have to say for myself, I like gen 1 much better because of the engine characteristics and sound. That is more important to me.
With the Gen 2 you get a 911 that's much nicer to drive, yet faster, more efficient, has more power, handles better, looks better and you still get the classic 911 howl. What more do you want?
All it takes is one small leak on either turbo and you will have crippled engine performance. I’ve experienced this first-hand and will never own a turbocharged engine again.
Almost pointless, anyone that has the gen-1 will not dis their purchase and those that are looking to buy will want the Gen-2. The vidd was about opinion, unbias one too without influence. Anyone without a 911 and want to buy, Gen-2 all the way, unless new cost is beyond them. He who only looks to the past, always lives in the past.
i have a 991.1. it is a very special car, it's a touring car. i have zero expectations of high revving brute force driving. pfffffff to all you racing wannabe types.
looks like neither one was Manual, so who cares ? We all know that the NA Carrera is underpowered - you should have tested it against the NA Carrera S but you're not Scientists now are you....?
That's the problem...too much talk about the greatness of manuals and ICE / NA engines but (most) people are just lazy couch potatoes: something shifting it for me and just 2 pedals? Yes please... all the torque in the world without having to stretch my big toe? Oh yeah I'll have that... big mouths...the makers do know this well and for the rest of us who put the money where ours mouths are (both my cars are manuals and NA by the way...) there is barely anything left other than cars loaded with useless electronic junk, countless stupid modes (sometimes without a single one working properly...), (many times) laggy and distracting touch screens...requiring a pilot's preflight check list...the whole thing sucks...your money out of your pockets...even with a chip shortage affecting errrrr the gadgets... and works as a joy killer. Your outcome? Just and utterly disappointing 🤮
I've spent a fair bit of time driving the 991.1GTS and 991.2 C2S on windy roads. And have maybe 30 hours in the 992 C4. Sound: *no question* the 991.1. Here's the thing-- the 992 is an absolute beast. It's blazing fast, the steering GT3-like, and the power curve much more forgiving. The 991.2 feels in-between but smaller and more limber. You go to driving a 991.1 again and you're like "huh, that's kinda lame"... until you go to a windy road and really drive the 991.1 hard and can't help but laugh and smile. No, the 991.1 isn't the fastest. Of course not. The steering isn't quite as precise, the PDK feels a bit slower. Off the line the acceleration isn't as aggressive (it really starts to feel good around 5000) But very few cars I've driven have had me giggling like a child like that. It's *fun*. Truth is the 991.1 (even more so the GTS) is more car than you'll likely ever be able to safely drive on public roads.
What are your thoughts on daily driving a manual 991.1? I have 3 kids and I would like to drive them to school everyday in it. If that's not possible... I'll just use my Audi Q7
@@williamhickerson7673 991‘s back seats are usable; it's much bigger than some may think.
Bro I wanna buy a .1 GTS or .2 C2S and idk do I get the faster better handling car or the one that gives me pure joy driving canyons
If you want a Turbo, buy a 991 3.8 Turbo instead of it's little sister. I had a choice, but I decided to buy the 991.1 GTS. The NA brings a lot more fun to my ears, heart and feel of the car. In the long run they will hold and maybe go up in value in time. Just look at the Ferrari NA 458 vs. There newer model the 488 Turbo. The Ferrari NA 458 are getting harder to find and more expensive to buy.
I much prefer the aesthetics of the quad exhaust on the former 991.
Finally we get 2 cars in the same spec. Both big standard carreras. Hopefully both with the same transmission. I hate it when other vids do a comparison and the cars r totally different. What's the point
Great vid I just wished you did a quick sound comparison.
I get that a mag called Total 911 has to keep all sorts of ardent Porsche fans happy, but it doesn't half end up being a totally pointless crock o' bollocks. I've bought a few issues, and it's always the same... Porsche's new car? Brilliant. The old one? Brilliant. Want to know which of 12 911 variants is the most fun? They all are. Air cooled vs water cooled? Both brilliant. Ever struggled to choose between a Mk1 or Mk2 996 GT3? Struggle no more - they're both precisely the same amount of brilliant. Fancy a water cooled 4 cylinder Porsche but not sure which one would work best for you? They all would. I mean... what is the effing point?
Yeah 991.2 lost all the essential sound and they didn't even mention it! What's the point of this video - just to show two shiny cars with picturesque nature in the background and make couple of silly jokes in front of them??
We mentioned it quite extensively in the magazine, Max. Sorry our free service on RUclips isn't to your satisfaction.
And of course that's why every single 911 in the data file section of the magazine has a five star rating - oh, wait a minute…
Lee Sibley First, this is like an elephant in the room, and it's rather strange not to mention it in this "vs" video! Second, your RUclips service is far from free, as it is a direct advertisment of your publishing brand and magazines. Not that there is anything wrong with it, just don't call it free please.
It's cost you nothing to watch our video so it is quite obviously free - and we're not going to put all our comment and content on a free service. If you want the most in-depth assessment of the 911 anywhere in the world you'll find it in Total 911 magazine (991.1 v 991.2 is issue 137). In the meantime, 35k views and counting, thanks!
Having just traded in my 991 gen 1 for a gen 2 I can without hesitation concur with their findings that the gen 2 is a far superior car. The NA engine in the gen 1 did have immediate throttle response, but this is not translated into 'pickup' unless you have over 5,000 rpm, which in the real world generally requires changing down 2 or 3 gears to find the surge in power. I've not noticed any discernable turbo lag in the gen 2 and having full torque at circa 2,000 rpm is a whole new fun packed experience. The 991.2 is an unbelievable machine with neck snapping performance, for the money it can't be beaten.
+Denis Leith
yeah I'm already looking at nissan gtr or zl1 2017 cheaper faster and almost as good handeling.
+Denis Leith
Lol, i get it. i currently have a cayman gts and I'm waiting to see the 991.2 911 gts or gt3 991.2 when they come out. i may be in the market to place an order but only if it's n/a in a porsche, no turbos. if 911s are turbos, than I'll take a nissan gtr or a zl1 ;).
Good for you, a little jealous but 8 days ago I bought a BMW 328i and could not agree more on the turbo engines, EXCELLENT !
my wife has a 428i couldn't agree more fun car with more than enough power as a daily.
As a prior 991.1 S owner and current owner of a 991.2 base I can say without hesitation the turbo is a good thing! My 991.2 base with pdk is ridiculously tractable at all times and ready to rip through the gears without hesitation. This is miles ahead of my 991.1 S MILES; imo. I think the turbos are small so they spin up quickly, the engine sounds great with the turbos!
does your car have chrono and sport exhaust?
@@bak2mb I have gone through a GT3 RS and two Turbos since this comment. But yes on the chrono and no on the exhaust.
I prefer the natural aspirated engines. I know that turbos are more fuel efficient and produce higher velocity, but you lose the visceral experience with them. Its enough loss that a few MPH gained won't compensate for...
Gen 1 GTS
997 GTS then.
thefridgeman nah , I prefer 991
991.2 carrera 4gts
Can't go wrong with both.
Every day of the week... the 991 Gen 1 Carrera S ! For me it is the Porsche benchmark. also, the last naturaly aspirated series.
And O.... did I mention the sound compared to the turbo's?
I had 992 C2s pdk, sold and bought 991.1 C2S 7spd. It’s the best decision I have ever taken. I enjoy every second i drive the car now. The only car can match is GT3 with 6spd man.
This is very timely. I have a stunning 992C2S PDK however I'm thinking of doing the same, swapping to a naturally aspirated 991.1 C2S. I'd love a manual but there's so few of them around. Do you miss any of the modern touches of the 992? I'm looking for something to drive and enjoy.
Gen 1 for the weekend spirited drives and Gen 2 to commute to work thats how I would have my 991.
991.1 and I had a choice of either. I also chose the 7-speed manual.
What made u choose .1 over .2 I’m between a .1 GTS and a .2 C2S I’m stuck right now is the best option to test drive them
@@Mrhappy33664 Considering I bought my 991.1 GTS in 2018 when for the same money (more on that below) I could have bought a new 991.2 GTS, it pretty well tells you that I knew what I wanted. I wanted a naturally aspirated 911 much like my 993. I did not want turbos or a PDK. That said, I have driven the 992 C2S and C4S on the track with PDK and they are all very nice...on the track, but it is not a vehicle I would want as my own for back roads driving. The hit you in your butt with a turbo and the PDK would wear thin on me in no time and yes, I know the advantages of a turbo coming from the aviation world. I bought my 991.1 GTS with a mere 98 miles (157 km) on it when it was just over 3 years old and it came with $45,620 in mostly performance factory options. Yes it was expensive and I could easily have bought a new 991.2 GTS for that money. Try to find a used vehicle with only one very particular owner and then keep it. I can never understand why Porsche owners flip their cars so often.
Great Pictures!!
My brother just went back from 991.2 4S to a 991.1 GTS4 because the NA engine is the real deal.
I feel sorry for your brother.
Dag Johnsen he prefers a slower car?
Yes, but way more passion and drama
Slower but more fun to drive
Yes Sir :-)
991.1
I always found the latest and greatest is an improvement. I have had 13 Porsche's and they always seem to improve in driving and track experience. Sound is a part , but when your high in the mountains the twin turbos will kill a normally aspirated engine 911. Ask any Porsche factory driver, they love the old cars but love the new cars, same for Dr. Porsche.
I have a gen 1 911S and absolutely love the engine sound, it gets me grinning every time however I love the looks of the Gen 2 and think the subtle tweaks have really modernised it. I would be forced to consider looks over sound now and am not convinced. I can see the Gen 1's holding their value for a lot longer now
Mr Jack ... does your front wheel steering stutters when you turn the steering wheel all the way to right or left at low speed fwd and reverse. mine makes that noise when I'm backing out from the drive way onto street making hard turns and the noise goes away when I straighten out the wheels. I'm wondering if thats normal coming from electric assist.
Mr Jack , hi mr Jack if seen in several vlogs this is a normal thing there is no issues what so ever..
Just the size of tyres
@@johnwhodat8135 it is normal.
Your standing in front of both cars blocked my view to compare how they look, remember this is a video and you can stand between the cars or off to the side and we can still hear you. Seeing the cars is very important.
991.1 7k rpm scream is priceless. Whoever owns it knows what I'm talking about. That scream has gone and a fart came with 991.2
Sound is 80% of the driving experience! Kill the sound and u kill 80% of the experience!
+Ahmet Yasar Agree totally.
couldn't disagree more and if it's 80% of driving experience why don't you get a corolla and put a big ass muffler on it hahaha
+Chris Raczynski clearly u have never driven a 991.1... If u want to compare it to a Toyota...
+Forester Wong i was not comparing them i think you missed the point. I was making that extreme "comparison" as you say to show that im ammused by the sound crowd. Having said that I admit I have not driven a 911. I'm a new BMW 328i owner for the record, so I'm becoming very familiar with turbo motors and their benefits and shortcomings (sound is no one of them for me).
I love the steering wheel in the 991.2. I wish they would of put the electronics in the 991.2 into the 991
I have a late Gen1 Black Edition & love it to bits, having not driven a Gen 2 yet I'm not really qualified to comment, but my gut feeling is the gen 2 will make getting the best from it so easy, I don't want that from a sports car I like having to work the car harder its far more rewarding & exciting. So sorry I disagree & for a mag dedicated to 911 I'm disappointed.
May be I'll eat my words when I do drive a Gen2.............. no mention of the sound?? Gen 1 must be a winner
On my initial drive of the base Carrera 991.2, I was not blown away by the power and the sound certainly takes a hit. Extra Tq is nice for sure but I love the sound of the NA when revving it out.
Still, I think as most of us predicted when the 3.0T was launching, those who like to modify their vehicles for extra power will appreciate the ease of tuning the new turbo engines. So that few MPH you mention becomes a substantial difference with a set of hybrid turbos and light supporting mods boasting 550+ to the wheels and 997 Turbo performance figures. I'm an old school forced induction junky and love the Tq from the onset and tuning potential provided going forward. Performance like that outweighs the sound for me.
Nobody cares
The rear of the 991.2 is significantly more harmonious than that of the 991.1. And it's a lot of fun when the engine screams at you when you're driving briskly in sports-mode.😅
Lee - where are the roads here -Yorkshire?
What is the name of wheels on the original 991? Tech something?
I definitely agree the new 991.2 turbo is amazing and doesn't feel like turbo at all. Porsche did it again, that's why I decided to go with the 991.2 base Carrera with Chrono package faster than the 991 S.
Giorgio Kradjian But is it better as in funner?
@@mobst4r1 I am an Alfa guy and this is my first Porsche. With sport exhaust the sound is insane and very entertaining. Are you looking to buy one?
got the base as well w/ chrono and sport exhaust!!! cant stop smiling😅
The snap crackle pop of the 991.2 is just awful, so pleased I managed to find a 991.1 with very low miles I will be hanging on to it for a very long time. The na sound is music to my ears and I never ever tire of hearing it.
Sorry late comment - but given its the last NA 911, will you be keeping it long term as an investment?
snap crackle pop...love it.
Do you still have it?
cool channel :) greetings from switzerland
The only thing better about the 991.1 is the S wheels. They look better than the 991.2 S wheels. I wanted to buy a 991 with an S or 4S behind the 911 on the rear but after driving the base model 991.2, I was seriously impressed with the acceleration across all typical street driving scenarios. The interior updates are also greatly worth the step forward and the subtle exterior styling cues will be here a while. Add to that, steering feel and PDK improvements… that’s why my nearly $90k went for a well specd 991.2 Base Carrera rather than an S or 4S model 991.1.
Fuck bro I’m between buying a .1 GTS and a .2 Carrera s and this shits like choosing your favorite nut, I need both of em
I want to drive angles crest sometimes but mostly a daily and occasional 3 hour drives. I might slide it rarely.
I drove 991.1 and thought its a really nice daily car. The soundtrack was good, but not so loud to be annoying in everyday use.
In which year was that white launched???
Gen 1 back end. Gen 2 front end.
In this test, the Gen1 has the Sport PASM, Gen2 not. Not the best premise for that comparison.
what is the difference between porsche 911.1 carrera and a normal porsche 911 carrera??
Turbo-charged cars are dime a dozen nowadays, but naturally-aspirated ones are real gems, especially so rewarding and raw-sounding as Porsche 991.1.
Down the road of ownership, you will have a lot of fun with the tunability of turbo engine.
From consumption perspective which one is better between Gen 1 and Gen 2 between normal and sports plus modes. I am a huge fan of N/A over speed are the driving and handling dynamics of Gen 2 better than Gen 1 if you were to take a car on a road trip across all road types.
Always trust Porsche gen 2 they know what they doing
My understanding is that Porsche was forced into the change from naturally aspirated to turbo-charged to meet new regulations regarding CO2 emissions and fuel economy. Otherwise we would be driving naturally aspirated 911s forever and the turbo would be the insane machine, 911 Turbo, it always has been. I am holding on to my 991 from 2014 until the next big thing comes along in 2018. I'll bet it's a hybrid.
+John McDermott The other major reason was the Chinese market. anything over 3.0L engine has extra taxes down there.
911 gen 1 ever
i just test drive both gen 1 and 2 both base model. Gen 2 is far more superior.
Wade H a better comparison would’ve been the 991.2 base vs 991.1 S
Now red on
If you compared 991 GTS versus the 991.2 C2 would you have come to same conclusion?
why do you ask? these clowns would say anything to keep on borrowing cars
Gen 2 all the way.
Turbo + smaller engine volume is better than Naturally aspirated + bigger engine volume
good luck, get yourself a ladyboy
How is this the case? Just how
So which Gen. screams better? Who has a youtube?
my question is why is the video so short? great video low details and no video of side by side comparisons of the two plus no track time.
+Nency Joujoukaka
you know, i think your right ;).
+Denis Leith
Lol, yeah they want you to buy it, but the sound differences are immense. i believe the 991.2 911 is faster, handels better with rear wheel steering and has turbos but doesn't that fundamentally change what the 911 edginess was all about. Much like the theoretical bull in a china shop, lamborghini. The porsches where famously different and difficult to get right but when you did it was magic. The 991.1 was a real game changer, new motor, better handeling, better sounding to me except for poor steering feel. but now, turbo-ing every 911 except a few is a mistake or a cold money grab calculation. i believe it's a money grab, could be wrong though. Think about it, more expensive to fix and who is supplying the turbos? China? Either way it's guaranteed to go down and take forever to get parts and cost more to repair or replace, on top of that, repairs to the flat 3.0 engine. Currently to replace a 3.4 flat 6 in a 911 is over 15k unless it's a rebuild, then add in labor. this shows me that you should keep your n/a porsches 911s, boxters/caymans their going to be worth alot more when you can no longer buy one, in gt3 or any other form. the problem i have with the change was that it was unnecessary, all those great motor, sad :'(.
+TheCa007 Good post!
Gen1
I own a 991.1 NA. I knew the 991.2 gen were coming out. That's why I jumped on the GTS 991.1 gen. Never looked back.
991.2...who needs any more than a 911 Carrera 4 GTS Cab Guards Red...Heaven on Earth.
Why did the 991.1 have such weird shift paddles? They look like the one on the '11 cayenne
Pandroix ok thanks, it looks so outdated though :D
No sound of the porsches 😔
991.1 will increase in value. The 991.2 wont... just fact!
I lived with the .1 for quite some time. Totally agree, I'd have the .2, and drove them both on track.
+Denis Leith interesting. I feel they too care of many quirks that irked me about the .1
zkalireza which quirks exactly your talking about ?
Bours911 for starters, when in Drive at a low rpm and in sport plus, floor the throttle, the clutch engagement is more aggressive on the .2. Also, when full throttle upshifting in sport plus in the .2 there is a nice thud rather than a lurch forward in the .1. Then there is the + and - orientation of the PDK center console selector which is now correct in the .2
The sound symoser of the .1 had an ugly vacuume suction in the cabin that I could feel in my right ear drum. The .2 addressed it by putting two sound symposers that seem to cancel out this suction sensation of the ear drum.
The steering on the .2 has much more fidelity than the .1
And much more...
zkalireza oh ok wow didnt know that very interesting man ! More feedback on steering in.2 ?
Zulu Alpha Which versions did you drive on the track.
After watching this, I still don't quite know the differences between the .1 and .2!
991.1 - naturally aspirated
991.2 - turbo
Plus minor changes in design and aesthetics.
One is red, the other is white...;-)
my dream car 🤧🤧🤧
compare it to 992.1
Porsche doesn`t do "ballsed it up". With Porsche you know the latest product will be even better than the previous,no matter what. Hell,they even managed to turn the Panamera into a good LOOKING car. And that`s no small feat.
0.17 in the video of the 2 cars behind one another were is that road???? Can anyone tell me please
yall sound like you're describing a golf game.
What I would like to know is out of the two cars, how many times did you have to fill the cars up on a 700mile trip?
If you can afford these cars, you can afford the fuel they need.
Possibly can. However even I still would like to know what the 3.0ltr is like for fuel to the old engine
Matthew Me too.
+Matthew The new one uses more fuel in real life.
dual tail pipes are horrific though
991.2, no contest.
This was a bit boring these cars deserve better.
fucking lol at how suddenly everyone becomes nostalgic for 4 years ago.
what is it with some porsche fans hating every single new car?
lol
try it and wake up zombie man
It's always been like this with Porsche owners. The new car is always too soft and lacks [insert mechanical nostalgic technology] that the older car had. Porsche owners love to say "it's the last of the _____ cars"
This is very true.
The thing that is different now, is that Porsche is forced by green politics to use turbo engines.
Anyway I believe most people will like the gen. 2 car more.
It is very usable and effortless, fantastic car.
Still I have to say for myself, I like gen 1 much better because of the engine characteristics and sound. That is more important to me.
lol..agreed..
Gen1> Gen2
Gen 1 S is better than the Gen 2 - Lack of torque on the road is annoying..
With the Gen 2 you get a 911 that's much nicer to drive, yet faster, more efficient, has more power, handles better, looks better and you still get the classic 911 howl. What more do you want?
dont like the new Porsche sports exhaust, why did they think of even making it dual tail pipes? stupid
I'm on red nooooo? W?
All it takes is one small leak on either turbo and you will have crippled engine performance. I’ve experienced this first-hand and will never own a turbocharged engine again.
It’s an age thing. Older people prefer older stuffs.
Is this Indian red or carmin red ?
well it's not Indian red since that color doesn't exist .....and it's not Guards Red - which is the only red Porsche you should buy btw.
Almost pointless, anyone that has the gen-1 will not dis their purchase and those that are looking to buy will want the Gen-2.
The vidd was about opinion, unbias one too without influence.
Anyone without a 911 and want to buy, Gen-2 all the way, unless new cost is beyond them.
He who only looks to the past, always lives in the past.
he who does not know, lives in an ignorant place called boring paradise
This review basically was just hot air, they basically said nothing or gave any kind of analysis lol
i have a 991.1. it is a very special car, it's a touring car. i have zero expectations of high revving brute force driving. pfffffff to all you racing wannabe types.
looks like neither one was Manual, so who cares ? We all know that the NA Carrera is underpowered - you should have tested it against the NA Carrera S but you're not Scientists now are you....?
That's the problem...too much talk about the greatness of manuals and ICE / NA engines but (most) people are just lazy couch potatoes: something shifting it for me and just 2 pedals? Yes please... all the torque in the world without having to stretch my big toe? Oh yeah I'll have that... big mouths...the makers do know this well and for the rest of us who put the money where ours mouths are (both my cars are manuals and NA by the way...) there is barely anything left other than cars loaded with useless electronic junk, countless stupid modes (sometimes without a single one working properly...), (many times) laggy and distracting touch screens...requiring a pilot's preflight check list...the whole thing sucks...your money out of your pockets...even with a chip shortage affecting errrrr the gadgets... and works as a joy killer. Your outcome? Just and utterly disappointing 🤮
Now he will talk like the cheaper
“Porsche ballsed it up but he’d take it”. Is the goal of car journalists these days to be a complete nonsensical wanker?
Is it me or are these dudes voices boring??
I guess it's a new trend now - to be boring as a pair of old shoes, so the car is not in your shadow.
Porsche is for hairdressers. Prefer to pay half of the price and get a Ferrari 360 manual then an automatic VW.
That was also my opinion, but where will you repair Ferrari, and for how much?
991.2 > 992 >991.1
Gen 2 GTS