so true born in 60 always was looking for a true man of god ,one that truly rebukes as even we do as Christians,prove it,where’s the data ,the data is all around ,even if they created a frog now what ?will it have smarts ? Or will mosquitoes land on it ?
May intelligence strengthen and embolden even further the world's population and drive it to the realization that abiogenesis is trying to answer fundamental questions about life, and Tour attacks it because it shakes the foundations of his sponsors, whose whole business is about lying to people.
@@SodiumInteresting and Jehovah's Witnesses. The list of cults is a tribute to human imagination being harmful when not attached to reality, yet made to accept others "truth (tm)". The expression "drinking the Kool-Aid" comes from nearly 1000 people proving the harm of giving in to religion.
Blessings are like handing out air and thinking people should be grateful to the ones saying these things, as if something has changed. Sad. Future humans will laugh at this like we laugh at the ancient Egyptians mummifying cats.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Future humans will look at your posts and laugh their arses off at the stupidity of adherents of the Cult of Science and Reason like yourself. When you get one iota of evidence that isn't pure conjecture (which is never)? I don't need to answer such a stupid question. Especially when more scientists are being forced to abandon your Cult because of real Science.
@@onedaya_martian1238 _"Blessings are like handing out air"_ Then you must see your comments as a blessing to others because there is plenty of hot air to go around, judging from your comments. I've read through a number of your comments, and they all have the same theme. You are terrified of God's existence! You have a classic _cosmic authority problem,_ which you project onto anyone who expresses faith in something you are trying really hard to convince yourself doesn't exist. I find that fascinating. The irony of wasting your time arguing about something that should be akin to _iridescent flying unicorns._ Why bother? In my case, I have a similar incredulity towards people who are convinced that the Earth is flat or that the moon landing was a hoax. Yet, I don't waste my time posting comments on forums discussing this. What would be the point? What would I change? Why would I even bother, if I had better things to do with my time? Have you ever asked yourself those questions, my little Martian friend? I think it *does* get to you because deep down you think you are on the wrong side of the fence, and you want to tear down that fence, so you don't feel confronted by that fact.
@@Locutus.Borg. What an appropriate name !!! These comments are hoping the Picard inside the evil destructive cultists returns to the Federation of logic and critical thinking !! It should be clear to someone with that namesake to understand why it is important to challenge the hivemind !! The whole premise of the show is that resistance is not futile...so neither are these words. More hilarious in that comment is the funhouse mirroring regarding projection ! People who spend too much time in churches are always telling others what their thoughts and fears are. Preachers shoving ideas into unthinking minds is worse than fois gras farmers with their ducks. Yet, people go into these places and come out with more venom than love that is supposed to be the hallmark of the "son of god" whose name they call themselves by. Unfortunately there is a groundswell of nationalism by the Borg. Saying the world is flat is one thing. Having millions, if not billions to change laws to become a theocracy like Saudi Arabia is another. Live long a prosper in a better quadrant. It's lovely in this part of the universe.
Love Dr. Tour and his expertise and courage! Wisdom, understanding and the courage to tell the truth. That comes from God. Love his turkey analogy to expose the delusions of naturalistic evolutionists. If we are honest, the origin of life is still an unsolved mystery. Read some Philip e. Johnson. The God of random accident is like a hurricane blowing through a junk yard, assembling a jumbo jet. The "magic" of random, chaotic mutations, combined with unending time conspiring to make "creation" is wishful thinking. Scientism, pseudo science is fraudulent wishful thinking and blind faith. Atheism is dead. Life is purposed, has meaning and is complex beyond our comprehension. Jesus IS THE TRUTH, the creatOR of creaTION. God hides in plain sight. Thanks Dr. Tour. Keep fighting the good fight!
These two gentlemen and others like them are very important people to hear and have been an answered prayer in terms of crystallizing my awe in the face of God. Truly an amazing Creator!
What is so amazing.. the home he created for us is 75% water for his favorite pets that can't breathe water for the 1% of that is drinkabler. Where is it the natural disasters. Starving children children with cancer natural disasters poison ivy. How animals have to cruelly kill and devour other animals survive are all these things are these things you consider when you go on about how amazing your God is
Thank you for this brilliant talk that traduces not only an extraordinary scientific konwledge but shows also great courage and reflects great human and ethic values. In the context of the abiogenesis research and, beyond, the reality of an imortal, non physical consciousness, I recommend you also the work of Prof.Dr. rer. Oliver Lazar from Germany. After an intense and life changing experience around the death of a young girl in his entourage, he started to question all the "ideological" beliefs of reductive materialism that he was indoctrinated during his career, and that represented the framwork of his worldview. He since then is conducting scientific research to prove that the soul continues living in an afterlife, and that a contact with it is not only possible but always represents a huge comforting moment for the surviving dependants in their griefing.
Čovjek nema dušu a pogotovu besmrtnu... umrijet če te kaže Bog koji je udahnuo dah svoj u nosnice i posta čovjek duša živa.. svako stvorenje koje ima krv u sebi je živa duša u kojoj je božanski životni duh a ne poseban entitet.. to je istočnjačko vjerovanje, spiritizam.. Isus je uskrsao tijelom i duhom i na isti naćin čemo i mi oživjeti ako zaslužimo...mrtvi ne znaju nista kaze Pismo.. obračanje mrtvima je gadost pred Gospodinom
Speaking of "traduction", since such a contact could not improve the actual situations for BOTH "parties", their separation having reconstituted for each as to what serves the contentment and happiness of them both, I see such an effort to reconnect after a substantial separation through DEATH to be a psychotic SELF-SERVING (NOT mutual) INTEREST pursued by a bald narcissist.
William Lane Craig is a grifter. Jim Tour is dangerous, using people's ignorance and his alleged authority to convince people that ignorance is the reason to beLIEve his world view.
@@pekde Really? You don't know? Where do I start? First, there was nothing in that man's comment to lead you to believe he ISN'T following Jesus already. Your comment arrogantly assumes he MUST be following Dr. Tour INSTEAD OF JESUS. You can't know that from his comment. Second, even if he isn't yet following Jesus, your comment will do nothing to persuade him! Social Media Christian Trolls are always on the lookout for signs of the vague possibility that someone, somewhere is going to fall into the sin of idolatry, as they decree it, by expressing too much admiration or gratitude for a person like Dr. Tour, or anyone doing good work representing Christ. It's not your job! Stop assuming everyone saying something positive about a servant of the Lord is liable to sin by REALLY respecting and even ADMIRING TOO MUCH that servant of the Lord. Your comment was aimed directly at the man making a very positive comment that you absolutely should have agreed with. Your reply was arrogant and condescending and I get tired of seeing it. I could go on, but I won't.
Love seeing this! Two of my very favorites together in a discussion together! Put Gary Habermas in with them next time and you’ve got the top of the top of Christian scholars today. I’d love to see a presentation with the three of them someday.
I deeply admire Dr. Tour's kindness to Prof. Farina the other time but the latter was so rude and condescending towards Dr. Tour. I admire him for his courage
God reflects science, and true science reflects God. They are not contradictory, but complementary. A great scientist and theologian confirm in this video what we all sensed and thought. Thanks! Glory to God!
That was so amazing that its hard to put into words. thanks so much. I hope william wil continue to talk while hes still with us. Great to see James talking with someoen who wont just 'trash talk' the whole time
Here's some simple words to help you out...lies, bullshit, morons, frauds, embarrassing. Put them in any order and you will have a pretty accurate summary of this video. You're welcome.
@@duncansh81 The evidence that Tour is lying has been spoon-fed to you people and you still can't grasp it. The evidence that Low Bar Bill is an idiot came out of his own mouth and you still can't see it. Wilful ignorance deserves mockery, and that's what I provided.
To use Dr. John Lennox's words about science and God. Sir Isaac Newton, when he discovered, or perhaps better to say that he "realised" there were laws of nature--like gravity, physics, and so on, he didn't say that he didn't need God anymore; he instead exclaimed he realised just how great God was, and marvelled at God's wisdom and gave Him the glory.
Yet for fellow brothers and sisters who believe GOD used macro evolution to create life has Scriptural problems as the Scriptures point to a 6-day creation both in Genesis and Exodus as well as throughout the Scriptures. Millions of years of evolution means millions of years of death before man's sin, therefore death would not be the wages of sin and therefore Jesus' death on the cross would not pay for our sins and we would still be in our fallen state. The Gospel is directly tied to Genesis.
Lol God isn’t real, it’s literally a character from 1st century European mythology about an evil sorcerer, who talks to snakes and turtles, summons giant cricket armies to attack the townspeople’s crops, casts spells of evil spirits who feast on the souls of the 1st born, and has a zombie apprentice who rose from the grave & rides a donkey into town 😂🤣
No conversation about religion and dismissing science has solved a single medical problem. This is like Pat Robertson saying physicians have no idea how the body heals itself. These guys do nothing to help humanity. They just help the hard of thinking part with their money.
@@juanfumero6951 They're "ranting about" how deeply depressing it is that people see these two con artists as a source of hope. Religion is holding us back and keeping people stupid. There has never been better proof of this than WLC and Jim Tour. It is so frustrating to actually understand the science, even at my basic level, and see so clearly how wrong they are but have to watch people gobble it up and wash it down with Kool Aid. James Tour is lying to you, he knows he's wrong but he repeats it anyway. Craig, on the other hand, is just a blithering idiot in a suit. Unfortunately idiots can't spot idiots because they're too fucking dumb to see it.
@@juanfumero6951 These two "academics" saying "we don't know", while preaching religion are bad for humanity. That is what the rant is about. Enabling bad reasoning results in corrupt leadership. And there are too many examples of that currently. It must be pointed out. Does that answer the question ?
@@onedaya_martian1238 It is not just two academics as Dr Craig pointed out. Those other scientists that basically agree with Tour are 'bad for humanity' also? how stupid.
Two titans is really the best way to identify these two gentlemen… what a wonderful discussion and privilege to hear the thoughts of these two great children of our Everlasting Father. May Elohim bless you all in Jesus Messiah’s name…
As a faithful disciple, sans scientific or theologic training, I am out-standing in my field, using the jargon of praise! I love you, Abba. Thank you, Abba. Help me, Abba. As He inhabits our praises, I am in awe and often speechless! But then I read Luke 12:12, at that time Holy Spirit will give me the words to say. Truly, this is peace
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God." (Romans 8:26-27)
If the crapping on science and pointing out ignorance is brilliant, people are much more stupid that one can give them credit for. Perhaps it is a given that listening to a variety of interpretations of the same stories from an ancient book causes brain damage...but then again I'm not saying we KNOW that is true.
Thanks!!! Dr. Tour, (you’ve likely covered this) speaking of AMINO ACIDS Forming in “Prebiotic Soup” conditions: Is it true individual amino acids break apart, Disintegrate FASTER Than They Form? If ^true, this would be yet another formidable probabilistic hurdle to several naturalistic origin of life theories.
Jim Tour is the defender of Christ and Christianity. He understands if you find something that is complicated in the woods the woods did not make that thing somebody left it there it was created
The universe is very, very complicated. It is not the result of whatever is described in some ancient text that only 1/4 of the current population wants to beLIEve. Religion just shows that humanity is still very immature.
As I listen to Dr. James Tour ,as he is really an expert in the field chemistry, and he explained it very well especially ,how it is impossible to create life in laboratory at this moment in spite of our technological advancement. Simply, one must consider that there is a super natural being(God )who was responsible in creating LIFE. THAT'S THE BEST REASON WHY THERE IS LIFE.
The astounding complexity and fine-tuning of all things, including the organic chemistry discussed here, is yet more evidence for the infinitely more amazing intellect of our Creator!
Thank God for James Tour who can stand against the dishonesty of the origin of life researchers. We also have other scientist like David Belinsky, Steven Meyer, David Galenter who also refute the origin of life.
You do understand there's no agenda to prove specifically abiogenesis these people have not made a conclusion and are trying to back it up they've looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion. You don't want the truth either you just want somebody to affirm that your beliefs are right
And even after all the bits and pieces come together in just the right way, something or someone still has to turn the crank, light the fuse, or push zee button, to get it to start, to bring it to LIFE ! Psalm 139vs14,15,16
As a YEC I don’t agree with WLC on other topics however as a synthetic organic chemist I am blown away on how knowledgeable he is on this very technical subject.
@@onedaya_martian1238 They are impressive both his knowledge on the subject and his ability to communicate it to lay people. Also Dr. Tour acknowledges this on the video. From Europe, I can only commend your enthusiasm in the continuous improvement of the American education system.
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This is all so true! I ran across an Time article written in 1966 - the things that scientists predicted for the year 2000 (these were think tanks that received millions and millions of $$s). The forecasts were amazingly and humorously false, yet they were very serious about them. Here are a few: the wheel and highways would be obsolete because we all would be using hovercrafts to get around; planes would be going just under the speed of sound and seat 1,000 people and we would also be transporting ourselves by ballistic rockets; we would have flown past Venus and also landed on Mars (human flight), huge fields of kelp would be harvested by undersea "farmers" - frogmen that live in submerged bunkhouses for 5 months at a time; the climate would be controlled - for example: a nuclear generating station that produces 60,000 megawatts built on top of Mt. Wilson would produce enough heat which in turn could be guided to the upper atmosphere above L.A. raising the inversion layer to 19,000 feet thus ridding the city of smog and the sea breeze could then be drawn into the space beneath to transform the dessert into a flowering land; bacterial and viruses would be totally wiped out; the cause of cancer would be found and cured; drug control of people's personalities would be widespread and desirable (anti-grouch pills anyone?); robots would do all of the household cooking and cleaning; 10% of the population will do all the work, the rest will be idle and just have fun; politics will fade away; original sin will be gone. How are we doing?
Craig did a great job of "translating " Tour. If there is a future debate , having Craig assisting Tour in explaining things to the audience would be very helpful.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Being a YEC myself, I don't agree with Craig or Tour on their view of Genesis. I'm just dealing with the grandiose claims of origin of life research. Like all ideas and theology, we need to eat the steak and throw away the bone. When it comes to the Bible, when common sense makes sense seek to other sense. If I lack understanding, I give God the benefit of the doubt, not the Devil!
@@robertszontagh1297 The devil isn't real. The fact that people can imagine UFOs, witches, ghosts, heaven, hell... just means humans have a great imagination. Too bad people waste this ability to abstract on religion: worshipping cows, walking around a cube in mecca, talking about god getting murdered and rising etc..., when they could be curing cancer, stopping wars, ending starvation. and other things to improve life on earth. Seems praying and sh-tting on science is a lot easier for the hard of thinking.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Science is a wonderful tool. You can be a great scientist and love God too. They are not mutually exclusive. I don't think it's fair to equate a belief in God with witches and goblins and atheism doesn't guarantee you will use your life wisely. It is a garbage worldview that may be used to justify selfishness and all sorts of evil.
@@robertszontagh1297 Wow. Just wow. Repudiating what people call god - something described in poorly written ancient texts by a bunch of warmongers and tribal as a "garbage world view" simply enhances my conviction that religious people are themselves covering up their own selfishness and evil ! The deacon at the batptist church I went to, with 3 kids and a wife, while being a missionary, embezzled close to a million dollars from the church. He is serving 10 years in prison. The folks there beLIEve he has repented and will "go to heaven". Meanwhile, my mother, who worked as a Catholic helping unwed mothers, raised - with a hardworking father - 4 kids all independent and raising their own children (unreligious), paid all their taxes ...but didn't have a "personal relations with Jesus". So all the folks at church say my parents are in hell. If not, then every one of their preaching is a contradiction !! Texas pastures aren't that knee deep in what I'm being told. If that comment, or Bill and James' comments are to convince me that THEIR world view is NOT garbage, then they couldn't be more wrong !
It will be good to take formal action in as many countries as possible to correct the errors in "origin of life" teaching contents in science textbooks.
It is easy to do that. Let Tour publish his work/teachings. He is a RUclips apologist, and no one will ever take him seriously until he follows the same route as the rest of the scientific community. Let him publish so that his peers can peer review him.
@@ntsokolomemani3874 They will never have the courage to forsake their funding and tenure. All of these fools posting comments against Dr. Tour serve as a reminder that some people are uneducated and always will be.
This is why christians, evangelicals and theocratic nationalists are dangerous !! (and why I comment). Have not the actions of the Saudis taught people anything ? Obvious not really, as the longest 2 wars in US history is the formal action taken so far by insane zealots.
I'm enjoying this interview with Dr Tour very much. I've watched quite a few of his videos and this one is particularly engaging for some reason. The production quality of the video as well as Jim's input, and Dr Craig's as well, are all great. Thank you for publishing this.
Saying there is a gap in scientific knowledge is how creationists sell books to make money off of the hard of thinking. No wonder people vote for a leader with no morals.
Now THIS is how conversations are suppose to be had; no interrupting and talking over, no irrelevant personal insults and attacks, no subject dodging avoidance of the actual topic, respect, and each person asking and listening. Granted, these guys are all on the same page of seeing the facts as they are, but opposing views can be discussed in the exact same way so long as none of the participants are mentally an arrogant child (no names Dave...). Its so frustrating to try and offer TRUTH with the chemistry to the blind believers of life arising from nothing on its own, they dont listen, spout what theyve been told with zero understanding of it, then dodge your questions and personally attack you once you show how their ideas arent correct. My latest attempt on an OoL vid, i was told and i quote "you arent impressing anyone throwing around your 'chemical engineer' title being in R&D...youre not even a biochemist so what would you know about life origins..." UUMMMM...do they understand what an engineer is??? Biochem is a small subset of organic chemistry, which is a subset of chemistry...therefore a chem engr studies ALL chemistry because engineers design things from scratch. Plus, i happen to have a minor in biochem and polymers because i wanted to go into pharmaceutical R&D...but im "not qualified" to talk about chemistry yet the person with ZERO study of chemistry does??? This is the kind of stubborn ignorance i meet every single time this subject is presented, its highly frustrating. To the chem engr question of complexity, its NOT the same as god of the gaps. Its the chicken and the egg but with hundreds of components instead of two...if you cant generate a dual item co-dependant system where each must have the other to exist, how could you ever get hundreds that all need each other to function as a system where each piece is randomly generated one at a time through small changes? Its simply not possible. Also, chemistry adds a whole extra set of odds to the normal odds dealing with randomness due to how it works...some reactions simply dont occur "naturally", and many of the ones needed for origins naturally fall into this category. You burn hydrocarbons as fuel, yet youd never get water and CO2 mixtures to naturally react into long chain hydrocarbons and O2. Dead organisms decompose, it NEVER naturally runs in reverse where simple compounds generate complex macromolecules into cells that spring to life spontaneously, it just doesnt work this way. If you randomly selected letters, youll get small words and maybe simple sentences of a few words, but this process would NEVER write the full 26 book encyclopedia volume....but adding the chemistry aspect youd have to not only write these books with randomly picking one letter at a time, but each book would have to quote and make references to all the other books. Whoever thinks this is possible, write the code and start it on a supercomputer and let us know how far it gets.
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a Different platform for further discussion? The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, Religion and Christianity. It's a good Opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
@@lark8356 Actually yes that would be amazing! Though im not comparable to Dr Tour on my knowledge and experience, I do have quite an extensive background with the science part of it, as well as what God has allowed me to understand by study of his word. I know the Word is the ultimate authority, but as blinded as many are unfortunately with these pushed idealologies of evolution, big bang, and a godless natural creation, I feel it can be useful to accompany His Word with showing how these theories simply dont hold up according to the very "science" they use. Im not at all trying to build myself because I know Im only what God made me to be with his blessings, but I usually am good at relating to people with how they picture things and approach discussion from an angle they can relate to. Plus, my main hobby is learning and from a series of bad health and situation the last couple years (now thanking Him for it because i realize i needed it to wake up and return to Him) ive really been trying to dig deeper into His word. Ive been praying for Him to use me somehow as im not able to get out much, possibly this could be a small way for just that. Thank you for your reply and mentioning this, im definitely interested in anything I could do to possibly help in any way. I love good discussions anyway as you may have already noticed lol. Would you like my email address or something to discuss further?
I respect your knowledge as a chemical engineer, your chemistry knowledge is vastly superior to mine. But that does not mean that you are the at the cutting edge of all chemistry. Is there a chance that there is some fringe areas of chemistry or new discoveries that you are not aware of?
At 21:00 Dr. Craig says that OOLR is about seeing if life can work if constituted of physical matter, which is obvious because we are alive & are made of matter. Well, the point is to see if life chemistry can be brought about in an environment without the kind of biological mechanisms that indeed constitute its operating machinery today. If the same machinery can be established by chemistry alone, then you show a plausible abiogenic pathway and establish the principle that biological mechanisms can come about from non-biology.
Too bad people of this time won't live long enough to find out how wrong they are !! How do I know ? Just look back at all the civilizations preceding this one ! Heck look at all the folks walking in circles at Mecca 24x7 on RUclips right now...not much different than these two clowns talking in circles about science. Christians, Mormons, Muslims etc are going to look as silly in future (but as fascinating) as the Egyptians do now, who mummified even their cats, thinking they would go to the afterlife. The arrogant confidence in these comments is astounding !!
You have ENOUGH knowledge, supported with divine helps and assistance! In Christ, our Father has made us "more than conquerors" in the Kingdom of our Lord; faith in Him Alone has appropriated our 'victory' in all things! You have simply listened to two OTHER professors of this Faith pursue its gifts with DUE DILIGENCE while under "the veiling" of our common pilgrimage. The writer of Hebrews explains the great consolation Faith provides for all who wait upon the FINISH of our vocation--for NOW, by faith, our hearts receive as true what we have not yet proven by eye and by ear; THEN, upon our transition through death to life, our glorification will align all our mixed and confused complexion into the integrity of soul we were made for and long for! Keep the Faith, Partner!
The answer as to why some do not admit what they see but fashion a story instead is relatively easy in my view. God is life and goodness but there is a opposition. That opposition is the opposition to Truth which is God. So why be surprised at the antics of an enemy, the father of lies who will deny and twist and manipulate. It has always been thus. The enemy hates truth and is always attempting to destroy ( crucify) it. Thanks so much for the wonderful discussion.
"In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government. In America you can criticize the government, but not Darwin." Jun-Yuan Chen, The Wall Street Journal, quoting this Chinese paleontologist who claimed that his fossil finds were inconsistent with Darwinism. .
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He is articulate and intelligent. There is a pattern of thinking that he seems not to have escaped-dualism. Physical life and spiritual life are not to be distinguished to the degree that he has. I wish he would explain the occurrence of DNA with the worldview of a non-young-earth creation.
@@richardkearns5938 I don't follow your dualism by degrees, but I agree that old earth creation is rational. I don't think theistic evolution, as taught by biologos (Francis Collins) makes any more sense than evolution of the atheist bent. There was a paper by Ewert that compared heredity to a dependency graph (used in programming to show how code snippets are used and how many programs might be dependent on which snippets). The dependency graph is many orders of magnitude more explanatory than heredity. Whether the earth is young or old doesn't matter to me, that life was created is obvious either way. DNA is hard enough to explain as a consequence of chemical evolution, but the information contained therein has no natural explanation.
@@richardkearns5938 the problem is this, no one can explain it. It's not as understood as people make it sound. For instance, I have replaced a muffler with a sports muffler. Not that hard. However, I dont understand, like a mechanic would, why the HP increases. This is the problem with altering DNA. It's not actually answering the questions, it's just exchanging parts that already exist.
@@jon__doe I would disagree with common descent. Evolution has been known for 5k years. I take issue with common descent, not because it COULD NOT happen, but because it hasn't been proven to have heppened. The new theory of jumps in evolution because they could not find the missing link leaves common descent in the same place it was in the beginning. There is no evidence that it actually happened.
@@gladishilton1943 So you would rather believe inanimate matter becomes alive and goes on to create code so complex it is read in multiple directions, has error correction, and encryption? You would prefer to ignore your every day observations in daily life, that complexity requires intelligence, you use your tech gadgets and understand they require immense design and engineering, your body is orders of magnitude more complex than anything man has ever created, contains more information, utilizes storage systems that we can only dream of, and yet it just created itself, because that's what we observe yeah, complex ordered information just coding itself into existence .The plausible explanation is intelligent design by a divine God. God solves every chicken and egg problem in the Universe, like, which came first, the DNA that requires proteins or the proteins that require DNA.
All sides need their paychecks because people have to eat. We could use a decibel meter to record who receives the loudest and most energetic applause from their audiences at their presentations. That may be the most obvious measurable indication of ego and pride.
Two reasons you responded with a "gotcha": 1. To feel morally superior 2. To boost your frail ego Your turn to come back with a bigger "gotcha" to feel even more superior and boost ya ego for a few minutes, before you move on to another target. GO!
@@goldwhitedragon The reason I gave the response is because as Dr. Tour says: They are clueless. NOT EVEN CLOSE! It appears as though they are beating a dead horse. If fishing 🎣 terms: Time to cut bait and move on...
Ah yes. Listening to two scumbag grifters lie to you, how fun. These two are the face for the damage religion does to otherwise impressive minds. Low Bar Bill, the living embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect, and Jim Tour, a brilliant scientist blinded and bound by his reliance on his imaginary friend. Forced to lie about a field he doesn't understand because the indoctrination is beyond repair. Just because they tell you it's not God of the Gaps doesn't mean everything they say isn't God of the Gaps. It is. Every single word.
The only people who think this conversation is at all "good" also think that there was a torture and murder 2000 years ago that was needed to appease their idea of creator of all this chemistry they are in awe of. Sad.
@@onedaya_martian1238 You still haven’t explained why the conversation wasn’t good. Making statements about the prejudices of believers doesn’t make your case. Again, you are using ad hominem- attacking the man instead of attacking the argument. Try again.
"The distinction between physical life, which is what the scientist is exploring, and non-physical life." 16:40 Precisely so. The existence of both the physical and the non-physical (metaphysical) in reality is the basic premise of the Creationary Synthesis - a philosophy opposing Darwinian evolution.
it is great pitty that Naturalism became official religion of science and that any unbeliever among scientist could expect severe punishment if he even hints his doubts. I understand dr Tour and wish to thank him for showing great courage. I would also like him to be little bolder, not like naturalists who thinks they will get away with slandering others and insults to our God-given human dignity. No, this is disgusting to any sensible person. Christian boldness should be founded on these words: "Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
@@Eliza-rg4vw Being Christian does not mean being always right, of course: "We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to control his whole body. " We should be aware of our imperfection!
What else would you use to do science besides methodological naturalism? It's not the same as philosoph ical naturalism which some people use overall but not as a scientific method.
It’s more that In our culture, fools are often thought of as silly or ridiculous, and foolishness is described as an unawareness leading to trouble, annoyance, or offense. However, the biblical usage of the term fool is not primarily about someone who is silly or naïve. Psalm 14:1 says, “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” Proverbs 1:7 reveals, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Fools willingly reject the Lord and hold God’s wisdom in contempt. They choose not to fear the Lord (Proverbs 1:29). They ignore the advice and rebuke of the Lord, refuse to walk in His wisdom, and do not follow His ways (Proverbs 1:30). Instead, fools rely on themselves. In trusting himself (Proverbs 28:26), the fool does not recognize that his own heart is desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9).
@@miroslavmatijevic6185 Agree, however it should be recognized that, without immediate evidence, proclaiming one to be a fool can, and sometimes will, backfire isntantly with being called the same back. If the end result of this is going to end up being explaining how one is a fool, why not skip to the point instead of using terms commonly used to condescend others
Will Dr Craig be writing some of this up so that it could be used in an apologetic encounter? I’m sure I would have to be reading over it for some time.
Not only is life spontaneously happening so impossible the first cell would have to duplicate itself and survive the harsh environment and have a built in ability to duplicate. how would the first cell know how to duplicate? and how would it survive?
WLC knows philosophical arguments, the names of philosophers and maybe some logic. If his understanding were the least bit sharp enough he'd have cut himself to pieces long ago. Instead he destroys the minds of the hard of thinking.
Too bad Tour has contribute ZERO!! to the understanding of organic chemistry. In his own words, he is selling his "CLUELESS" point of view to the hard of thinking masses, whose adherence to worshiping an ancient anthology, renders those followers CLUELESS ! (and seemingly blissful in their ignorance... proclaiming it of others... who are, in fact, curious. And who will actually make the world a better place by sharing knowledge, not screaming at it)
That was a wonderful conversation. It is such a shame that far too many people are not only closed minded, but they engage in attacks on others in order to avoid any conversation on certain subjects. Thank you to all involved in bringing us this video.
The real conversation is how far the fundamentalist fanatic called Tour will go in his mission to discredit scientists for simply doing their job. Many Christian believers and scientists are calling out Tour for what he is, a scammer. I feel so sorry for William Craig for falling into this guy's net.
@@Andre_XX No origin. Uncreated and eternal and transcending space and time does not have an “origin” big category error to even ask that question . It’s not applicable to the Christian paradigm.
Brilliant, for saying things are not possible ? Years ago flying and cell phones were not possible. Future generations will laugh at this generation much like we laugh at Zeus, Odin, Moroni astrology etc. It would just be great if religious folks would not vote for completely corrupt and immoral people .
@@onedaya_martian1238 Then please explain to me scientifically the flights of Joseph of Copertino ? So far no one has been able to explain it to me....
In Romans 1:20 the Bible uses the existence of creation as the reason all our without excuse to deny God. To have life, you already have to have the physical creation so life created by God naturally follows once you realize God is the only option to create time, space, matter, and information to begin with. Love everything Dr. Tour does bringing truth to areas where truth is seen as the enemy.
Biblical truth is an oxymoron. Truth cannot be an enemy. Stating things or saying things are unknown does not make things "true". The level of adoration for these grifters is off the charts.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Do you believe that science is the only way to truth? Edit: never mind, I answered my own question by reading your other comment.
@@FutureNihilist Reality is the only way to truth. Listening to imaginings by church leaders certainly is not. People in America have to travel more, they seem to think their TV, holey book and national propaganda are "the one true way". That is so small minded, it borders on crazy.
And yet people believe that there is a creator who had to drown most of the people on earth because they were bad. That is mind blowing also.... That doesn't include (supposedly) this same amazing creator killing Egyptian children knowing that, in the end, that same creator would drown the Egyptian army. How not knowing the origin of life leads one to adore the monster in an ancient book is illogical at best and stupidity at worst.
@@onedaya_martian1238 I'm confused by the miserable message you sent. Why aren't you happy to know everything? Thanks for trying to share your joy. Thank you!
@@onedaya_martian1238 You talk as if morality is absolute when you judge God for doing those things, but according to your worldview, you are no more than matter and energy interacting for no reason. What morality do you appeal to that wouldn’t be subjective in a materialistic worldview?
@@juanfumero6951 Funny how Japanese folks, or Indian folks...in fact a LOT of folks don't need the abstraction from the ancient book, reveared by westerners, to know "good" from "bad". In fact, even that confusing book people look to for "guidence" starts off by claiming humans "became like god(s) knowing good from evil" . So right there is an admission the ancient authors knew people understood "morality". The problem was they couldn't understand why people would do bad things, "knowing they are bad". So, they wrote a childish story about a garden and blamed women and a snake for evil that exists today. And there are huge businesses making money saying this is True (tm) !! That a whole culture believes this story really happened with the additions to the story from that ancient culture, believing they didn't have to kill animals to propitiate their bad deeds because the creator of the universe had his kid get murdered as a final way to sacrifice ... is simply the stupidest thing to follow, along with Hindus worshipping cows, Muslims walking around Kaaba 24x7 or Mormons thinking they die and get to rule a world. Harry Potter makes as much sense. Yet there are these "academics" who propagate this fantasy and make a good living doing it.
Concluding amazing facts of life that have not provided how life as it exists has been produced. We are led to the majesty and beauty of God as a remarkable wonder.
And as Dr. Tour has stated before as we make progress on the origin of life, the goal post keep moving farther away. So it is not the case that we have not made progress and new discoveries. We just keep learning more complexities to the origins of life that make it the goal even more difficult to reach.
There are no "goal posts" only James Tour's beLIEfs about what constitutes proof. Ironically William Lane Craig has "moved his goal posts" saying that Genesis is mytho-history and that evolution and a 13 billion year old universe happened. Seems so long as preachers can point at a book people barely read, they can say whatever they want and the hard of thinking will follow.
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv Understanding the amount of work to be done to really understand a topic is not "CLUELESS !!". How is it that gene splicing, DNA sequencing, 3D enzyme folding are now sufficiently studied that humanity is able to do amazing things with that knowledge !! Why the haughty question about my understanding what was written ? Was that supposed to be profound --> I can't know everything so I know nothing ?? What dilemma ? I don't know economics but I can balance my bank account and live well ( and ask a coherent question too!) Goodness. If one reads the history of science, people like Tour have always been at the forefront of blocking advancement. Read the history of cleaning ones hands between surgery. The excessive harm by "well meaning" pendants like Tour is summarized nicely in vignettes about Ignaz Semmelweis. If fundamentalists had their way, no one would use glasses because the scientists are CLUELESSS about refraction...everyone knows that rainbows are caused by the new covenant made after the global flood !! People cheering in this comment section about Tour are as dangerous to society as the folks who argue about who the president of the United States "really" is. Hence this reply. Regards.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Because real progress verified by many scientific researchers was legitimate, and the funding of the truth of the endeavor was viable. You are still missing the point of the discussion.
During a 2015 televised panel discussion, Dr. Richard Dawkins (Widely regarded as World's Leading Darwinian Evolutionary Scientist) admitted, *_“The Origin of Life is something we don’t know anything about. And we want to know something about it. And I would love to know how life actually got started.”_* (Source: Real Time with Bill Maher, Overtime, October 2, 2015, HBO)
Ignorance of processes shouldn't lead to thinking a murder 2000 years ago was needed to appease the monster, claimed to be intelligent, described in an ancient book. Only the hard of thinking can take the crapping on scientific knowledge and believe this proves that they have to worship whatever is being shoveled out at gatherings every Sunday ... by tragic "leaders" who beLIEve they know what their imaginary friend is about. Ironic, these leachers for people's money know less about what they are talking about than these two clowns.
Even if it were true that we know nothing, hundreds of years ago we knew nothing about relativity, quantum mechanics and evolution, just to name a couple. Does our knowing or not knowing make any difference to the truth? Are you saying we should just give up? If we just say "god did it", maybe thats a good enough explanation for you, but not everyone is so happy to explain everything away with the god of the gaps. We have to keep trying to improve our understanding.
@@AlVex98 No, that has never been the stance. It is about the scientists sending a message that they are truly making progress when they have not done so in the way that the "speculative" pre-biotic Earth conditions would have. It is about truth and integrity. They have made a good living off of their research and they will not allow anything to take away their funding and tenure.
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv Then it seems you should publish some kind of paper explaining exactly where the current research or understanding is lacking. James, out of the 648 papers i could find with some reference to him, doesn't mention origin of life in any of them (at least not any that I could find). Why not? Why reduce this important discussion to youtube diss tracks and articles on some clearly biased websites? If there are indisputable facts that debunk our current understanding, it'd be great to know them, instead of claiming that the entire scientific community would overlook the principles of basic science just so a few guys can live comfortably.
@@AlVex98 Why could it not be said that both sides have a point? Mainstream science: Just because we don't have an answer now, doesn't mean we should give up. And saying "God did it" would be a way of giving up. Skeptics of mainstream science: Nevertheless, this should give us pause. Why we are encountering such difficulty? Does this not indicate that somewhere along the line we may have made an unsound basic assumption?
Natural forces can’t make or direct themselves. The laws of nature themselves require a (non contingent) Creator. The Creation of life is simply amazing. The birth of a child is amazing. We are the result of a literal preexisting written word. No natural thing can write a program to make any directed working mechanism much less a viable program consisting of billions of bits of written programming unique for each and every different kind of animal.
LOL - "preexisting written word". How does that make sense. The behavior of the physical world is imbued with emergence. All things we perceive combine to produce aggregates with new properties. As a result, we exist, as does everything else, but we have the emergent property of abstraction. We can imagine a tomorrow, a universe, a unicorn, an electron etc without experiencing it. That people on this planet thing there is an Oden, a constellation, an Allah a hell just goes to show how humans can perversely distract themselves with their own delusions during their brief consciousness. And here we are wasting this time listening to two grifters, using privative technology that people think proves that there is a man that "speaks" it all into existence. Sad.
@@JungleJargon your understanding of the physical universe only begs the question. Who imbued it with emergence? How did life come into being without any life being around to perceive things? Were the rocks perceiving and thinking life into existence? It's more logical to say that a timeless intelligence created the universe, this doesn't require any abstractions at all, it's the simplest explanation.
@@JungleJargon The proof is in this book I have that says it si written by god and god says it is true. Hundreds of people believe this to be true as well, You're Welcome.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Better than any science ... until the REAL CREATORS show up and show themselves? Like, how do you build a Universe? With beings that can witness a Universe is there?
@@CandidDate These "academics" think the explaination of "everything" can be found in some ancient anthology written by fantasy writers. Humanity has to recognize that our understanding of the universe is no different that how a dog might understand what country they are living in. It is tragic that the most arrogant people propagate religion as the answer to our "CLUELESS" knowledge of the world around us. My comments point out that such a world view by these two guys does NOTHING to help humanity. It only makes the hard of thinking submissive and the vain folks, powerful and manipulative.
Wonderful. I love both of them. Would hv also loved if macro-evolution was one of the topics discussed. Coz Dr. Craig believes in evolution and Dr. Tour does not. Would hv loved to see Tour shine some light on Craig's understanding. Maybe, just maybe Dr. Craig would begin to understand the depravity of the evolutionary theory.
@@kartashuvit4971 no it is not. It's a lie that has been told too loud and for too long that people believed it to be true. Once you scratch the surface and dig deeper, the theory falls apart.
@@Jwarrior123 Nope it's a scientific fact. It's the foundation of modern biology Not a single creationist on Earth has "dug deeper" into the theory of evolution. That's why they have to spread misinformation and repeatedly lie. They are against knowledge. You throw away reality in favor of magical thinking.
Please define or qualify the term "evolution" when you make statements like this. Evolution - in the sense of adaptation and natural selection - certainly has been observed and proven. But evolution - in the sense of non-life evolving into life; or one species evolving into another, etc. - has not.
@@PB4U "Non-life evolving into life" is abiogenesis, not evolution. So let's throw that out immediately. Adaptation and natural selection are just buzzwords lol. Evolution is defined as the change in the allele frequency of a population over successive generations. In other words when 2 individuals of a species reproduce their offspring will inherit their genes with mutations that may or may not alter how the genes get expressed. Both micro AND macro evolution are governed by those mechanisms. Creationists often object to evolution not because of any of its mechanisms, but because species don't "look" different enough from one another. That's why they typically say "but it's still a bacteria/lizard/bird". Look up monophyly. Individuals cannot escape their common ancestry. A bacteria will ALWAYS be a bacteria a hundred years, a million years, a BILLION years in the future. A bacteria will always be classified as a bacteria. For the exact same reason dogs will always be canids, will always be carnivores, will always be mammals, will always be chordates, will always be animals. We HAVE observed speciation. What do YOU expect to see when you say "species evolve into another"?
Excellent presentation by two incredibly talented and bright people. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your time with us! Its greatly appreciated!!
Did Tour explain why he lied about what Lee Cronin said? And why didn't he correct Craig when Craig spread misinformation about vesicles in order to affirm his inconsistent skepticism?
@@Bubba_Grimm And every time he deletes a comment that shows that we know he's a liar, it must be like pricking his finger on a thorn. He knows we know he's a liar.
@@Bubba_Grimm he just deleted a comment I left highlighting the false claim Craig made about vesicles that Tour - a supposed expert - should have corrected, but either was ignorant of the facts, or deliberately didn't correct Craig because it supported his narrative.
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Dr Tour you have helped me. Your honesty is a gift from God. Thank you
so true born in 60 always was looking for a true man of god ,one that truly rebukes as even we do as Christians,prove it,where’s the data ,the data is all around ,even if they created a frog now what ?will it have smarts ? Or will mosquitoes land on it ?
He’s a lying hysterical hack. How has that helped you?
How special you must be to get gifts from God
Joe Rogan needs to have Tour on his podcast. That would be awesome.
Yeah. Hes too busy interviewing cart narcs and michael Shermer for the 20th time
Joe Rogan is a shill.
Joe Rogan believes in Darwinian evolution, enough said.
That would probably be a bloodbath.😅
@@ramigilneas9274 What do you mean?
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Well it’s his podcast so he can do what he wants on it
Thank you for making this happen. Sometimes, I wish the entire world could watch these interviews. God bless you, Dr. James and Sir. William.
God bless him ubundantly, let's pray for him.
I agree, the world needs a good laugh at these 2 clowns
Nope only naive Christians. An atheist who wants to read ridiculous comments watch this nonsense
Thank you Dr Craig and Dr Tour, as a Christian and a cell biologist from Singapore, i really appreciate and enjoy your sharing. Praise the Lord!
May God strengthen and enbolden even further Dr Tour against all the world's attacks.
Biblical truth is an oxymoron.
May intelligence strengthen and embolden even further the world's population and drive it to the realization that abiogenesis is trying to answer fundamental questions about life, and Tour attacks it because it shakes the foundations of his sponsors, whose whole business is about lying to people.
@@onedaya_martian1238 and Christian science
@@SodiumInteresting and Jehovah's Witnesses. The list of cults is a tribute to human imagination being harmful when not attached to reality, yet made to accept others "truth (tm)". The expression "drinking the Kool-Aid" comes from nearly 1000 people proving the harm of giving in to religion.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Hello Oxy. Are you new to the neighbourhood? 😂
May God bless Dr. Tour.
Blessings are like handing out air and thinking people should be grateful to the ones saying these things, as if something has changed. Sad.
Future humans will laugh at this like we laugh at the ancient Egyptians mummifying cats.
@@onedaya_martian1238
Future humans will look at your posts and laugh their arses off at the stupidity of adherents of the Cult of Science and Reason like yourself.
When you get one iota of evidence that isn't pure conjecture (which is never)?
I don't need to answer such a stupid question.
Especially when more scientists are being forced to abandon your Cult because of real Science.
@@onedaya_martian1238 _"Blessings are like handing out air"_
Then you must see your comments as a blessing to others because there is plenty of hot air to go around, judging from your comments. I've read through a number of your comments, and they all have the same theme. You are terrified of God's existence! You have a classic _cosmic authority problem,_ which you project onto anyone who expresses faith in something you are trying really hard to convince yourself doesn't exist. I find that fascinating. The irony of wasting your time arguing about something that should be akin to _iridescent flying unicorns._ Why bother?
In my case, I have a similar incredulity towards people who are convinced that the Earth is flat or that the moon landing was a hoax. Yet, I don't waste my time posting comments on forums discussing this. What would be the point? What would I change? Why would I even bother, if I had better things to do with my time? Have you ever asked yourself those questions, my little Martian friend? I think it *does* get to you because deep down you think you are on the wrong side of the fence, and you want to tear down that fence, so you don't feel confronted by that fact.
@@Locutus.Borg. What an appropriate name !!! These comments are hoping the Picard inside the evil destructive cultists returns to the Federation of logic and critical thinking !!
It should be clear to someone with that namesake to understand why it is important to challenge the hivemind !! The whole premise of the show is that resistance is not futile...so neither are these words.
More hilarious in that comment is the funhouse mirroring regarding projection ! People who spend too much time in churches are always telling others what their thoughts and fears are. Preachers shoving ideas into unthinking minds is worse than fois gras farmers with their ducks. Yet, people go into these places and come out with more venom than love that is supposed to be the hallmark of the "son of god" whose name they call themselves by.
Unfortunately there is a groundswell of nationalism by the Borg. Saying the world is flat is one thing. Having millions, if not billions to change laws to become a theocracy like Saudi Arabia is another.
Live long a prosper in a better quadrant. It's lovely in this part of the universe.
Thank you so much for sharing this video with two of my favorite Doctors, William Craig and James Tour. Just a privilege!
SO FANTASTIC TO SEE THIS TWO GENTLEMEN talking JUST WOW more of this, please ❤
The knowledge added to the world by these two blokes talking is actually diminished. It isn't even entertaining.
I love how Craig has to start the podcast giving a formal justification for why he's even there 🤣
this is the way
Love Dr. Tour and his expertise and courage! Wisdom, understanding and the courage to tell the truth. That comes from God. Love his turkey analogy to expose the delusions of naturalistic evolutionists. If we are honest, the origin of life is still an unsolved mystery. Read some Philip e. Johnson. The God of random accident is like a hurricane blowing through a junk yard, assembling a jumbo jet. The "magic" of random, chaotic mutations, combined with unending time conspiring to make "creation" is wishful thinking. Scientism, pseudo science is fraudulent wishful thinking and blind faith. Atheism is dead. Life is purposed, has meaning and is complex beyond our comprehension. Jesus IS THE TRUTH, the creatOR of creaTION. God hides in plain sight. Thanks Dr. Tour. Keep fighting the good fight!
These two gentlemen and others like them are very important people to hear and have been an answered prayer in terms of crystallizing my awe in the face of God. Truly an amazing Creator!
What is so amazing.. the home he created for us is 75% water for his favorite pets that can't breathe water for the 1% of that is drinkabler. Where is it the natural disasters. Starving children children with cancer natural disasters poison ivy. How animals have to cruelly kill and devour other animals survive are all these things are these things you consider when you go on about how amazing your God is
Thank you Dr Tour!
We thank him.
Thank you for this brilliant talk that traduces not only an extraordinary scientific konwledge but shows also great courage and reflects great human and ethic values. In the context of the abiogenesis research and, beyond, the reality of an imortal, non physical consciousness, I recommend you also the work of Prof.Dr. rer. Oliver Lazar from Germany. After an intense and life changing experience around the death of a young girl in his entourage, he started to question all the "ideological" beliefs of reductive materialism that he was indoctrinated during his career, and that represented the framwork of his worldview. He since then is conducting scientific research to prove that the soul continues living in an afterlife, and that a contact with it is not only possible but always represents a huge comforting moment for the surviving dependants in their griefing.
Čovjek nema dušu a pogotovu besmrtnu... umrijet če te kaže Bog koji je udahnuo dah svoj u nosnice i posta čovjek duša živa.. svako stvorenje koje ima krv u sebi je živa duša u kojoj je božanski životni duh a ne poseban entitet.. to je istočnjačko vjerovanje, spiritizam.. Isus je uskrsao tijelom i duhom i na isti naćin čemo i mi oživjeti ako zaslužimo...mrtvi ne znaju nista kaze Pismo.. obračanje mrtvima je gadost pred Gospodinom
Speaking of "traduction", since such a contact could not improve the actual situations for BOTH "parties", their separation having reconstituted for each as to what serves the contentment and happiness of them both, I see such an effort to reconnect after a substantial separation through DEATH to be a psychotic SELF-SERVING (NOT mutual) INTEREST pursued by a bald narcissist.
Dr. LANE IS BRILLIANT! GOD BLESS HIM!
William Lane Craig is a grifter. Jim Tour is dangerous, using people's ignorance and his alleged authority to convince people that ignorance is the reason to beLIEve his world view.
Can you refer me to some papers by him? I have a thesis to do.
@@ianlee5812 Ha ha ha ha !!
This comment section is for the mentally impaired.
The way things are dependent on each other is a challenge on every level.
Excellent complimentary discussion. Thank you Dr. Craig for defining some of Dr. Tours terms.
I was so fortunate to stumble on James Tour PhD a few years ago learn his science learn his faith and follow him.
Good. Now follow Jesus.
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Repent of your arrogant trolling.
Nobody is advocating worshipping of Dr. Tour.
@@terrifictomm why did you say so bad? What made you react like that?
@@pekde
Really? You don't know? Where do I start?
First, there was nothing in that man's comment to lead you to believe he ISN'T following Jesus already. Your comment arrogantly assumes he MUST be following Dr. Tour INSTEAD OF JESUS. You can't know that from his comment.
Second, even if he isn't yet following Jesus, your comment will do nothing to persuade him!
Social Media Christian Trolls are always on the lookout for signs of the vague possibility that someone, somewhere is going to fall into the sin of idolatry, as they decree it, by expressing too much admiration or gratitude for a person like Dr. Tour, or anyone doing good work representing Christ.
It's not your job!
Stop assuming everyone saying something positive about a servant of the Lord is liable to sin by REALLY respecting and even ADMIRING TOO MUCH that servant of the Lord.
Your comment was aimed directly at the man making a very positive comment that you absolutely should have agreed with. Your reply was arrogant and condescending and I get tired of seeing it.
I could go on, but I won't.
Sheep always look for a leader to follow.
Love seeing this! Two of my very favorites together in a discussion together! Put Gary Habermas in with them next time and you’ve got the top of the top of Christian scholars today. I’d love to see a presentation with the three of them someday.
Christian scholar!
This is amazing! Wow! More power and God bless you all. With love from the Philippines.
I deeply admire Dr. Tour's kindness to Prof. Farina the other time but the latter was so rude and condescending towards Dr. Tour. I admire him for his courage
James Thorpe was a shouting absolute maniac
I LOVE this discourse!!! Truth is AWESOME!!
More more more .. cross communication between the specialties ❤❤❤
Having you two guys in the same podcast is like having Christmas and Eastern on the same day ❤
I love these videos!! Hearing Dr. Tour dialogue with other believers is so encouraging
God reflects science, and true science reflects God. They are not contradictory, but complementary. A great scientist and theologian confirm in this video what we all sensed and thought. Thanks! Glory to God!
Why does your God need Glory so much??.to boost its massive ego
@@shadowlazers That's a bible claim a man-made book.
That was so amazing that its hard to put into words. thanks so much. I hope william wil continue to talk while hes still with us. Great to see James talking with someoen who wont just 'trash talk' the whole time
Here's some simple words to help you out...lies, bullshit, morons, frauds, embarrassing.
Put them in any order and you will have a pretty accurate summary of this video. You're welcome.
@@betadecay6503 Excellent and thoughtful rebuttal. Glad you contributed to this comment section.
@@duncansh81 The evidence that Tour is lying has been spoon-fed to you people and you still can't grasp it. The evidence that Low Bar Bill is an idiot came out of his own mouth and you still can't see it.
Wilful ignorance deserves mockery, and that's what I provided.
@@duncansh81 It WAS an excellent and thoughtful rebuttal. Not only that it was very accurate !!
@@rbzuuka7948 Why don't you tell us about the origin of life instead of spouting hate, troll?
To use Dr. John Lennox's words about science and God. Sir Isaac Newton, when he discovered, or perhaps better to say that he "realised" there were laws of nature--like gravity, physics, and so on, he didn't say that he didn't need God anymore; he instead exclaimed he realised just how great God was, and marvelled at God's wisdom and gave Him the glory.
That is the right attitude and reverence to our Creator
Science never will create life from something. Does not matter who Dr Tour is. Life is an exclusive creation of God.
Yet for fellow brothers and sisters who believe GOD used macro evolution to create life has Scriptural problems as the Scriptures point to a 6-day creation both in Genesis and Exodus as well as throughout the Scriptures. Millions of years of evolution means millions of years of death before man's sin, therefore death would not be the wages of sin and therefore Jesus' death on the cross would not pay for our sins and we would still be in our fallen state. The Gospel is directly tied to Genesis.
@@aeronblitz9347 living cells has to be created within 4 hours else it will disengaged. 6 days support science.
Lol God isn’t real, it’s literally a character from 1st century European mythology about an evil sorcerer, who talks to snakes and turtles, summons giant cricket armies to attack the townspeople’s crops, casts spells of evil spirits who feast on the souls of the 1st born, and has a zombie apprentice who rose from the grave & rides a donkey into town 😂🤣
Craig and Tour make me proud and give me hope.
No conversation about religion and dismissing science has solved a single medical problem. This is like Pat Robertson saying physicians have no idea how the body heals itself.
These guys do nothing to help humanity. They just help the hard of thinking part with their money.
@@onedaya_martian1238 What are you ranting about?
@@juanfumero6951 They're "ranting about" how deeply depressing it is that people see these two con artists as a source of hope. Religion is holding us back and keeping people stupid. There has never been better proof of this than WLC and Jim Tour.
It is so frustrating to actually understand the science, even at my basic level, and see so clearly how wrong they are but have to watch people gobble it up and wash it down with Kool Aid. James Tour is lying to you, he knows he's wrong but he repeats it anyway. Craig, on the other hand, is just a blithering idiot in a suit. Unfortunately idiots can't spot idiots because they're too fucking dumb to see it.
@@juanfumero6951 These two "academics" saying "we don't know", while preaching religion are bad for humanity. That is what the rant is about.
Enabling bad reasoning results in corrupt leadership. And there are too many examples of that currently.
It must be pointed out.
Does that answer the question ?
@@onedaya_martian1238 It is not just two academics as Dr Craig pointed out. Those other scientists that basically agree with Tour are 'bad for humanity' also? how stupid.
Two titans is really the best way to identify these two gentlemen… what a wonderful discussion and privilege to hear the thoughts of these two great children of our Everlasting Father. May Elohim bless you all in Jesus Messiah’s name…
As a faithful disciple, sans scientific or theologic training, I am out-standing in my field, using the jargon of praise! I love you, Abba. Thank you, Abba.
Help me, Abba.
As He inhabits our praises, I am in awe and often speechless!
But then I read Luke 12:12, at that time Holy Spirit will give me the words to say.
Truly, this is peace
This The Spirit of God gives you to say, nice sincere worship!
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God." (Romans 8:26-27)
God bless Dr. TOUR, HE TOO IS BRILLIANT! Blessings
If the crapping on science and pointing out ignorance is brilliant, people are much more stupid that one can give them credit for. Perhaps it is a given that listening to a variety of interpretations of the same stories from an ancient book causes brain damage...but then again I'm not saying we KNOW that is true.
Thanks!!! Dr. Tour, (you’ve likely covered this) speaking of AMINO ACIDS Forming in “Prebiotic Soup” conditions: Is it true individual amino acids break apart, Disintegrate FASTER Than They Form?
If ^true, this would be yet another formidable probabilistic hurdle to several naturalistic origin of life theories.
Awesome thank you for all you do
Jim Tour is the defender of Christ and Christianity. He understands if you find something that is complicated in the woods the woods did not make that thing somebody left it there it was created
The universe is very, very complicated. It is not the result of whatever is described in some ancient text that only 1/4 of the current population wants to beLIEve.
Religion just shows that humanity is still very immature.
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As I listen to Dr. James Tour ,as he is really an expert in the field chemistry, and he explained it very well especially ,how it is impossible to create life in laboratory at this moment in spite of our technological advancement.
Simply, one must consider that there is a super natural being(God )who was responsible in creating LIFE.
THAT'S THE BEST REASON WHY THERE IS LIFE.
No.
The astounding complexity and fine-tuning of all things, including the organic chemistry discussed here, is yet more evidence for the infinitely more amazing intellect of our Creator!
Ever asked yourself just how fined-tuned a creator would have to be in order to be able to fine-tune everything?
Thank God for James Tour who can stand against the dishonesty of the origin of life researchers.
We also have other scientist like David Belinsky, Steven Meyer, David Galenter who also refute the origin of life.
You do understand there's no agenda to prove specifically abiogenesis these people have not made a conclusion and are trying to back it up they've looked at the evidence and come to a conclusion. You don't want the truth either you just want somebody to affirm that your beliefs are right
Stephen Stephen Meyer lawl
And even after all the bits and pieces come together in just the right way, something or someone still has to turn the crank, light the fuse, or push zee button, to get it to start, to bring it to LIFE ! Psalm 139vs14,15,16
Life is an exclusive work of God
Even if we could replicate life to the subatomic level, we don't know if it would "live" or just be the non-living amalgamation
I’ve been hoping this this exact type of interview with Craig for years, John Lennox next ? 🙏
As a YEC I don’t agree with WLC on other topics however as a synthetic organic chemist I am blown away on how knowledgeable he is on this very technical subject.
Yikes ! If high school biology is impressive, American education sucks worse than what the world sees.
@@onedaya_martian1238 They are impressive both his knowledge on the subject and his ability to communicate it to lay people. Also Dr. Tour acknowledges this on the video. From Europe, I can only commend your enthusiasm in the continuous improvement of the American education system.
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This is all so true! I ran across an Time article written in 1966 - the things that scientists predicted for the year 2000 (these were think tanks that received millions and millions of $$s). The forecasts were amazingly and humorously false, yet they were very serious about them. Here are a few: the wheel and highways would be obsolete because we all would be using hovercrafts to get around; planes would be going just under the speed of sound and seat 1,000 people and we would also be transporting ourselves by ballistic rockets; we would have flown past Venus and also landed on Mars (human flight), huge fields of kelp would be harvested by undersea "farmers" - frogmen that live in submerged bunkhouses for 5 months at a time; the climate would be controlled - for example: a nuclear generating station that produces 60,000 megawatts built on top of Mt. Wilson would produce enough heat which in turn could be guided to the upper atmosphere above L.A. raising the inversion layer to 19,000 feet thus ridding the city of smog and the sea breeze could then be drawn into the space beneath to transform the dessert into a flowering land; bacterial and viruses would be totally wiped out; the cause of cancer would be found and cured; drug control of people's personalities would be widespread and desirable (anti-grouch pills anyone?); robots would do all of the household cooking and cleaning; 10% of the population will do all the work, the rest will be idle and just have fun; politics will fade away; original sin will be gone. How are we doing?
Two of my favorites, wow, how inspiring, how thrilling to listen to. Thank you so much.
Doctors, you are a blessing of God
Thank you Jésus for their life, bless them please🙌
Craig did a great job of "translating " Tour. If there is a future debate , having Craig assisting Tour in explaining things to the audience would be very helpful.
Craig says Genesis is mythohistory. 'nuff said.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Being a YEC myself, I don't agree with Craig or Tour on their view of Genesis. I'm just dealing with the grandiose claims of origin of life research. Like all ideas and theology, we need to eat the steak and throw away the bone. When it comes to the Bible, when common sense makes sense seek to other sense. If I lack understanding, I give God the benefit of the doubt, not the Devil!
@@robertszontagh1297 The devil isn't real. The fact that people can imagine UFOs, witches, ghosts, heaven, hell... just means humans have a great imagination.
Too bad people waste this ability to abstract on religion: worshipping cows, walking around a cube in mecca, talking about god getting murdered and rising etc..., when they could be curing cancer, stopping wars, ending starvation. and other things to improve life on earth.
Seems praying and sh-tting on science is a lot easier for the hard of thinking.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Science is a wonderful tool. You can be a great scientist and love God too. They are not mutually exclusive. I don't think it's fair to equate a belief in God with witches and goblins and atheism doesn't guarantee you will use your life wisely. It is a garbage worldview that may be used to justify selfishness and all sorts of evil.
@@robertszontagh1297 Wow. Just wow.
Repudiating what people call god - something described in poorly written ancient texts by a bunch of warmongers and tribal as a "garbage world view" simply enhances my conviction that religious people are themselves covering up their own selfishness and evil ! The deacon at the batptist church I went to, with 3 kids and a wife, while being a missionary, embezzled close to a million dollars from the church. He is serving 10 years in prison. The folks there beLIEve he has repented and will "go to heaven". Meanwhile, my mother, who worked as a Catholic helping unwed mothers, raised - with a hardworking father - 4 kids all independent and raising their own children (unreligious), paid all their taxes ...but didn't have a "personal relations with Jesus". So all the folks at church say my parents are in hell. If not, then every one of their preaching is a contradiction !! Texas pastures aren't that knee deep in what I'm being told.
If that comment, or Bill and James' comments are to convince me that THEIR world view is NOT garbage, then they couldn't be more wrong !
Great discussion
It will be good to take formal action in as many countries as possible to correct the errors in "origin of life" teaching contents in science textbooks.
Someone would have to demonstrate such errors first. Tour's blithering creationist nonsense doesn't come within a parsec of qualifying.
It is easy to do that. Let Tour publish his work/teachings. He is a RUclips apologist, and no one will ever take him seriously until he follows the same route as the rest of the scientific community. Let him publish so that his peers can peer review him.
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The Idiocracy of the research is blatant evidence for the ridiculousness of "origens of life" science fiction narrative
@@ntsokolomemani3874 They will never have the courage to forsake their funding and tenure. All of these fools posting comments against Dr. Tour serve as a reminder that some people are uneducated and always will be.
This is why christians, evangelicals and theocratic nationalists are dangerous !! (and why I comment).
Have not the actions of the Saudis taught people anything ?
Obvious not really, as the longest 2 wars in US history is the formal action taken so far by insane zealots.
I'm enjoying this interview with Dr Tour very much. I've watched quite a few of his videos and this one is particularly engaging for some reason. The production quality of the video as well as Jim's input, and Dr Craig's as well, are all great. Thank you for publishing this.
Fantastic! Great colab and education!
Saying there is a gap in scientific knowledge is how creationists sell books to make money off of the hard of thinking. No wonder people vote for a leader with no morals.
Great arguments!
this is just PURE GOLD.
Now THIS is how conversations are suppose to be had; no interrupting and talking over, no irrelevant personal insults and attacks, no subject dodging avoidance of the actual topic, respect, and each person asking and listening. Granted, these guys are all on the same page of seeing the facts as they are, but opposing views can be discussed in the exact same way so long as none of the participants are mentally an arrogant child (no names Dave...). Its so frustrating to try and offer TRUTH with the chemistry to the blind believers of life arising from nothing on its own, they dont listen, spout what theyve been told with zero understanding of it, then dodge your questions and personally attack you once you show how their ideas arent correct.
My latest attempt on an OoL vid, i was told and i quote "you arent impressing anyone throwing around your 'chemical engineer' title being in R&D...youre not even a biochemist so what would you know about life origins..." UUMMMM...do they understand what an engineer is??? Biochem is a small subset of organic chemistry, which is a subset of chemistry...therefore a chem engr studies ALL chemistry because engineers design things from scratch. Plus, i happen to have a minor in biochem and polymers because i wanted to go into pharmaceutical R&D...but im "not qualified" to talk about chemistry yet the person with ZERO study of chemistry does???
This is the kind of stubborn ignorance i meet every single time this subject is presented, its highly frustrating.
To the chem engr question of complexity, its NOT the same as god of the gaps. Its the chicken and the egg but with hundreds of components instead of two...if you cant generate a dual item co-dependant system where each must have the other to exist, how could you ever get hundreds that all need each other to function as a system where each piece is randomly generated one at a time through small changes? Its simply not possible. Also, chemistry adds a whole extra set of odds to the normal odds dealing with randomness due to how it works...some reactions simply dont occur "naturally", and many of the ones needed for origins naturally fall into this category.
You burn hydrocarbons as fuel, yet youd never get water and CO2 mixtures to naturally react into long chain hydrocarbons and O2. Dead organisms decompose, it NEVER naturally runs in reverse where simple compounds generate complex macromolecules into cells that spring to life spontaneously, it just doesnt work this way. If you randomly selected letters, youll get small words and maybe simple sentences of a few words, but this process would NEVER write the full 26 book encyclopedia volume....but adding the chemistry aspect youd have to not only write these books with randomly picking one letter at a time, but each book would have to quote and make references to all the other books. Whoever thinks this is possible, write the code and start it on a supercomputer and let us know how far it gets.
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a Different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, Religion and Christianity. It's a good Opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
@@lark8356 Actually yes that would be amazing! Though im not comparable to Dr Tour on my knowledge and experience, I do have quite an extensive background with the science part of it, as well as what God has allowed me to understand by study of his word. I know the Word is the ultimate authority, but as blinded as many are unfortunately with these pushed idealologies of evolution, big bang, and a godless natural creation, I feel it can be useful to accompany His Word with showing how these theories simply dont hold up according to the very "science" they use.
Im not at all trying to build myself because I know Im only what God made me to be with his blessings, but I usually am good at relating to people with how they picture things and approach discussion from an angle they can relate to. Plus, my main hobby is learning and from a series of bad health and situation the last couple years (now thanking Him for it because i realize i needed it to wake up and return to Him) ive really been trying to dig deeper into His word.
Ive been praying for Him to use me somehow as im not able to get out much, possibly this could be a small way for just that. Thank you for your reply and mentioning this, im definitely interested in anything I could do to possibly help in any way. I love good discussions anyway as you may have already noticed lol. Would you like my email address or something to discuss further?
"...seeing the facts...." ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ROFL !!
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All you got is a laugh. Cuz your faith is a joke.
I respect your knowledge as a chemical engineer, your chemistry knowledge is vastly superior to mine.
But that does not mean that you are the at the cutting edge of all chemistry. Is there a chance that there is some fringe areas of chemistry or new discoveries that you are not aware of?
At 21:00 Dr. Craig says that OOLR is about seeing if life can work if constituted of physical matter, which is obvious because we are alive & are made of matter. Well, the point is to see if life chemistry can be brought about in an environment without the kind of biological mechanisms that indeed constitute its operating machinery today. If the same machinery can be established by chemistry alone, then you show a plausible abiogenic pathway and establish the principle that biological mechanisms can come about from non-biology.
Too bad people of this time won't live long enough to find out how wrong they are !! How do I know ? Just look back at all the civilizations preceding this one ! Heck look at all the folks walking in circles at Mecca 24x7 on RUclips right now...not much different than these two clowns talking in circles about science.
Christians, Mormons, Muslims etc are going to look as silly in future (but as fascinating) as the Egyptians do now, who mummified even their cats, thinking they would go to the afterlife.
The arrogant confidence in these comments is astounding !!
What a great way to start a Saturday morning 🌄 ❤ ✝️💯
Having ignorance celebrated ? Sad.
I have no idea what they are saying 95% of the time but I keep listening and I'll learn little by little
You have ENOUGH knowledge, supported with divine helps and assistance! In Christ, our Father has made us "more than conquerors" in the Kingdom of our Lord; faith in Him Alone has appropriated our 'victory' in all things! You have simply listened to two OTHER professors of this Faith pursue its gifts with DUE DILIGENCE while under "the veiling" of our common pilgrimage. The writer of Hebrews explains the great consolation Faith provides for all who wait upon the FINISH of our vocation--for NOW, by faith, our hearts receive as true what we have not yet proven by eye and by ear; THEN, upon our transition through death to life, our glorification will align all our mixed and confused complexion into the integrity of soul we were made for and long for! Keep the Faith, Partner!
It’s a bunch of unproven nonsense. Don’t waste your time.
@@macysondheim Like Evolutionary theory ?
The answer as to why some do not admit what they see but fashion a story instead is relatively easy in my view.
God is life and goodness but there is a opposition. That opposition is the opposition to Truth which is God.
So why be surprised at the antics of an enemy, the father of lies who will deny and twist and manipulate.
It has always been thus.
The enemy hates truth and is always attempting to destroy ( crucify) it.
Thanks so much for the wonderful discussion.
God bless! Shalom!!
I wonder if they can explain or go into the origins of rh negative blood type 😮
I doubt that will answer the question of how life first originated. That is the point of these discussions about origin of life and abiogenesis.
Wonderful Stuff !!!❤❤😮
"In China we can criticize Darwin but not the government.
In America you can criticize the government, but not Darwin."
Jun-Yuan Chen, The Wall Street Journal, quoting this Chinese paleontologist who claimed that his fossil finds were inconsistent with Darwinism.
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It looks great. You two are like Paul and Barnabas of this age as Jim said.
William lane Craig is EXTREMELY articulate. He did his homework and made a lethal combo with those 2.
He is articulate and intelligent. There is a pattern of thinking that he seems not to have escaped-dualism. Physical life and spiritual life are not to be distinguished to the degree that he has. I wish he would explain the occurrence of DNA with the worldview of a non-young-earth creation.
@@richardkearns5938 I don't follow your dualism by degrees, but I agree that old earth creation is rational. I don't think theistic evolution, as taught by biologos (Francis Collins) makes any more sense than evolution of the atheist bent.
There was a paper by Ewert that compared heredity to a dependency graph (used in programming to show how code snippets are used and how many programs might be dependent on which snippets). The dependency graph is many orders of magnitude more explanatory than heredity.
Whether the earth is young or old doesn't matter to me, that life was created is obvious either way. DNA is hard enough to explain as a consequence of chemical evolution, but the information contained therein has no natural explanation.
@@richardkearns5938 the problem is this, no one can explain it. It's not as understood as people make it sound.
For instance, I have replaced a muffler with a sports muffler. Not that hard. However, I dont understand, like a mechanic would, why the HP increases.
This is the problem with altering DNA. It's not actually answering the questions, it's just exchanging parts that already exist.
@@jon__doe I would disagree with common descent. Evolution has been known for 5k years.
I take issue with common descent, not because it COULD NOT happen, but because it hasn't been proven to have heppened.
The new theory of jumps in evolution because they could not find the missing link leaves common descent in the same place it was in the beginning. There is no evidence that it actually happened.
@@richardkearns5938 Are you asking him to explain origins by God in Genesis in an old earth scenario?
JIM IS BLESSED❤❤
Two reasons why origin of life researchers cling to their speculations:
1. Egotism and pride
2. Paycheck
....and because Abiogenesis is the only plausible explanation for OoL.
Don't forget the actual reason, GuitarNewby.
@@gladishilton1943 So you would rather believe inanimate matter becomes alive and goes on to create code so complex it is read in multiple directions, has error correction, and encryption? You would prefer to ignore your every day observations in daily life, that complexity requires intelligence, you use your tech gadgets and understand they require immense design and engineering, your body is orders of magnitude more complex than anything man has ever created, contains more information, utilizes storage systems that we can only dream of, and yet it just created itself, because that's what we observe yeah, complex ordered information just coding itself into existence .The plausible explanation is intelligent design by a divine God. God solves every chicken and egg problem in the Universe, like, which came first, the DNA that requires proteins or the proteins that require DNA.
All sides need their paychecks because people have to eat. We could use a decibel meter to record who receives the loudest and most energetic applause from their audiences at their presentations. That may be the most obvious measurable indication of ego and pride.
Two reasons you responded with a "gotcha":
1. To feel morally superior
2. To boost your frail ego
Your turn to come back with a bigger "gotcha" to feel even more superior and boost ya ego for a few minutes, before you move on to another target. GO!
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The reason I gave the response is because as Dr. Tour says: They are clueless.
NOT EVEN CLOSE!
It appears as though they are beating a dead horse.
If fishing 🎣 terms:
Time to cut bait and move on...
Incredible to be able to listen to two great minds with such enormous intellect converse and educate. Thank you both🙏
Truly love listening to the boys exchange ideas in a respectable way
Ah yes. Listening to two scumbag grifters lie to you, how fun. These two are the face for the damage religion does to otherwise impressive minds. Low Bar Bill, the living embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect, and Jim Tour, a brilliant scientist blinded and bound by his reliance on his imaginary friend. Forced to lie about a field he doesn't understand because the indoctrination is beyond repair.
Just because they tell you it's not God of the Gaps doesn't mean everything they say isn't God of the Gaps. It is. Every single word.
The only people who think this conversation is at all "good" also think that there was a torture and murder 2000 years ago that was needed to appease their idea of creator of all this chemistry they are in awe of. Sad.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Ad hominem raging. That’s no argument, dude.
@@stevediperna9039 BeLIEvers gonna beLIEve what they want. This is why humanity is still fighting for justice, for security and for freedom. Sad.
@@onedaya_martian1238 You still haven’t explained why the conversation wasn’t good. Making statements about the prejudices of believers doesn’t make your case. Again, you are using ad hominem- attacking the man instead of attacking the argument. Try again.
"The distinction between physical life, which is what the scientist is exploring, and non-physical life." 16:40
Precisely so. The existence of both the physical and the non-physical (metaphysical) in reality is the basic premise of the Creationary Synthesis - a philosophy opposing Darwinian evolution.
Excellent discussion!
William Lane Craig:
Philosopher, Theologian, Cosmologist, Historian, Physician, Metaphysician, NOW CHEMIST!!!
it is great pitty that Naturalism became official religion of science and that any unbeliever among scientist could expect severe punishment if he even hints his doubts. I understand dr Tour and wish to thank him for showing great courage. I would also like him to be little bolder, not like naturalists who thinks they will get away with slandering others and insults to our God-given human dignity. No, this is disgusting to any sensible person. Christian boldness should be founded on these words: "Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
I think Christians should be mindful of if/when they are the fool as well. It applies both ways.
@@Eliza-rg4vw Being Christian does not mean being always right, of course: "We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to control his whole body. " We should be aware of our imperfection!
What else would you use to do science besides methodological naturalism? It's not the same as philosoph
ical naturalism which some people use overall but not as a scientific method.
It’s more that In our culture, fools are often thought of as silly or ridiculous, and foolishness is described as an unawareness leading to trouble, annoyance, or offense. However, the biblical usage of the term fool is not primarily about someone who is silly or naïve. Psalm 14:1 says, “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” Proverbs 1:7 reveals, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
Fools willingly reject the Lord and hold God’s wisdom in contempt. They choose not to fear the Lord (Proverbs 1:29). They ignore the advice and rebuke of the Lord, refuse to walk in His wisdom, and do not follow His ways (Proverbs 1:30). Instead, fools rely on themselves. In trusting himself (Proverbs 28:26), the fool does not recognize that his own heart is desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9).
@@miroslavmatijevic6185 Agree, however it should be recognized that, without immediate evidence, proclaiming one to be a fool can, and sometimes will, backfire isntantly with being called the same back. If the end result of this is going to end up being explaining how one is a fool, why not skip to the point instead of using terms commonly used to condescend others
I ❤ all of them.
Thank you very much, It was a beautiful dissertation, sealed with an honest testimony.
Will Dr Craig be writing some of this up so that it could be used in an apologetic encounter? I’m sure I would have to be reading over it for some time.
This was excellent!
Not only is life spontaneously happening so impossible the first cell would have to duplicate itself and survive the harsh environment and have a built in ability to duplicate. how would the first cell know how to duplicate? and how would it survive?
Keep doing what you’re doing Dr. Tour✊🏻✝️
SCREAMING CLUELESS AT OTHERS ?
Humanity dies each time people behave like that.
@@onedaya_martian1238 No I think he's talking about promoting God, you talk as if you have no flaws.
@@THABISOMAEKO I have flaws, plenty. If god is great, what promotion is needed ??
Religion is for the hard of thinking.
Wow, dr. William has so much knowledge on so many topics, amazing!
WLC knows philosophical arguments, the names of philosophers and maybe some logic. If his understanding were the least bit sharp enough he'd have cut himself to pieces long ago. Instead he destroys the minds of the hard of thinking.
The level of this talk, gives you a lot to meditate on !❤
I don't necessarily agree with everything WLC says, but I've got to give it to him, he's an INCREDIBLY articulate man.
Yes he's well gifted with the art of deception
@@shadowlazers deception requires intent. i think he genuinely drinks his own kool aid.
Dr Tour, you rock!
Calling science clueless is a reflection of his thinking.
@@onedaya_martian1238 LOL, he said we're clueless on the origins of life. ZERO NOBEL PRIZES in the origins of life research in the last 60 years.
@@Programm4r He was right.
@@THABISOMAEKO Of course Tour was right.
I have thoroughly appreciated James Tour's public statements and expertise in his field.
Expertise?
Too bad Tour has contribute ZERO!! to the understanding of organic chemistry.
In his own words, he is selling his "CLUELESS" point of view to the hard of thinking masses, whose adherence to worshiping an ancient anthology, renders those followers CLUELESS ! (and seemingly blissful in their ignorance... proclaiming it of others... who are, in fact, curious. And who will actually make the world a better place by sharing knowledge, not screaming at it)
That was a wonderful conversation. It is such a shame that far too many people are not only closed minded, but they engage in attacks on others in order to avoid any conversation on certain subjects.
Thank you to all involved in bringing us this video.
Showing assertions are incorrect is not an attack. Calling someone a liar who says things that aren't true is simply accurate.
@@onedaya_martian1238i agree. Still, it was unwise to shout at Farina, no matter how disgusting his lies and behaviour were.
@@onedaya_martian1238what do you mean? That's literally the definition of a liar
The real conversation is how far the fundamentalist fanatic called Tour will go in his mission to discredit scientists for simply doing their job. Many Christian believers and scientists are calling out Tour for what he is, a scammer. I feel so sorry for William Craig for falling into this guy's net.
I had the privilege of speaking to Dr. Tour one on one for an hour one morning. It was a remarkable experience.
In conclusion, only an intelligence infinitely greater than humans could have designed and made all things!!!
Except anencephaly and tapeworms. Jesus said the devil did that.
So what's your explanation for the origin of this "infinitely greater" intelligence?
@@Andre_XX No origin. Uncreated and eternal and transcending space and time does not have an “origin” big category error to even ask that question . It’s not applicable to the Christian paradigm.
The only delusional and bias conclusion maybe.
@@therealkingbaldwinIt's also an ascertion..and is most likely human imagination
Brilliant! Thank you folks.
Brilliant, for saying things are not possible ? Years ago flying and cell phones were not possible.
Future generations will laugh at this generation much like we laugh at Zeus, Odin, Moroni astrology etc.
It would just be great if religious folks would not vote for completely corrupt and immoral people .
@@onedaya_martian1238 Then please explain to me scientifically the flights of Joseph of Copertino ? So far no one has been able to
explain it to me....
@@georgbenad4436 Guess it was the all knowing all loving god. I'm convinced !!!
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congratulations !!!!!!!!!!
@@georgbenad4436 Christians are sooo easily duped... no wonder WLC can make such a good living with his low bar (his words! ) evaluation of truth.
In Romans 1:20 the Bible uses the existence of creation as the reason all our without excuse to deny God. To have life, you already have to have the physical creation so life created by God naturally follows once you realize God is the only option to create time, space, matter, and information to begin with. Love everything Dr. Tour does bringing truth to areas where truth is seen as the enemy.
Biblical truth is an oxymoron. Truth cannot be an enemy. Stating things or saying things are unknown does not make things "true".
The level of adoration for these grifters is off the charts.
@@onedaya_martian1238 No substance. No surprise.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Do you believe that science is the only way to truth? Edit: never mind, I answered my own question by reading your other comment.
@@FutureNihilist Reality is the only way to truth. Listening to imaginings by church leaders certainly is not. People in America have to travel more, they seem to think their TV, holey book and national propaganda are "the one true way". That is so small minded, it borders on crazy.
@@onedaya_martian1238
"Blah blah blah".
The only truth of an Atheist Troll.
Please add Cameron Bertuzzi from Capturing Christianity to the description or a pinned comment.
I'm in awe. My simple mind is blown by the 'simple' mystery of plants and seeds.... Thank you!
Studying the field only furthers the degree of mind melting...the more you know about it the more you realize you know nothing
And yet people believe that there is a creator who had to drown most of the people on earth because they were bad. That is mind blowing also.... That doesn't include (supposedly) this same amazing creator killing Egyptian children knowing that, in the end, that same creator would drown the Egyptian army.
How not knowing the origin of life leads one to adore the monster in an ancient book is illogical at best and stupidity at worst.
@@onedaya_martian1238 I'm confused by the miserable message you sent. Why aren't you happy to know everything? Thanks for trying to share your joy. Thank you!
@@onedaya_martian1238 You talk as if morality is absolute when you judge God for doing those things, but according to your worldview, you are no more than matter and energy interacting for no reason. What morality do you appeal to that wouldn’t be subjective in a materialistic worldview?
@@juanfumero6951 Funny how Japanese folks, or Indian folks...in fact a LOT of folks don't need the abstraction from the ancient book, reveared by westerners, to know "good" from "bad". In fact, even that confusing book people look to for "guidence" starts off by claiming humans "became like god(s) knowing good from evil" . So right there is an admission the ancient authors knew people understood "morality". The problem was they couldn't understand why people would do bad things, "knowing they are bad". So, they wrote a childish story about a garden and blamed women and a snake for evil that exists today. And there are huge businesses making money saying this is True (tm) !!
That a whole culture believes this story really happened with the additions to the story from that ancient culture, believing they didn't have to kill animals to propitiate their bad deeds because the creator of the universe had his kid get murdered as a final way to sacrifice ... is simply the stupidest thing to follow, along with Hindus worshipping cows, Muslims walking around Kaaba 24x7 or Mormons thinking they die and get to rule a world. Harry Potter makes as much sense. Yet there are these "academics" who propagate this fantasy and make a good living doing it.
Concluding amazing facts of life that have not provided how life as it exists has been produced. We are led to the majesty and beauty of God as a remarkable wonder.
And as Dr. Tour has stated before as we make progress on the origin of life, the goal post keep moving farther away. So it is not the case that we have not made progress and new discoveries. We just keep learning more complexities to the origins of life that make it the goal even more difficult to reach.
There are no "goal posts" only James Tour's beLIEfs about what constitutes proof. Ironically William Lane Craig has "moved his goal posts" saying that Genesis is mytho-history and that evolution and a 13 billion year old universe happened. Seems so long as preachers can point at a book people barely read, they can say whatever they want and the hard of thinking will follow.
@@onedaya_martian1238
Nice try. Deal with the truth.
Maybe you evolved from aliens?
@@onedaya_martian1238 The more you learn the more you realize how little you know. Do you understand what I just wrote? It's the same dilemma.
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv Understanding the amount of work to be done to really understand a topic is not "CLUELESS !!". How is it that gene splicing, DNA sequencing, 3D enzyme folding are now sufficiently studied that humanity is able to do amazing things with that knowledge !!
Why the haughty question about my understanding what was written ? Was that supposed to be profound --> I can't know everything so I know nothing ?? What dilemma ? I don't know economics but I can balance my bank account and live well ( and ask a coherent question too!) Goodness.
If one reads the history of science, people like Tour have always been at the forefront of blocking advancement. Read the history of cleaning ones hands between surgery. The excessive harm by "well meaning" pendants like Tour is summarized nicely in vignettes about Ignaz Semmelweis.
If fundamentalists had their way, no one would use glasses because the scientists are CLUELESSS about refraction...everyone knows that rainbows are caused by the new covenant made after the global flood !!
People cheering in this comment section about Tour are as dangerous to society as the folks who argue about who the president of the United States "really" is.
Hence this reply.
Regards.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Because real progress verified by many scientific researchers was legitimate, and the funding of the truth of the endeavor was viable. You are still missing the point of the discussion.
What a great conversation, two great men of faith I have learnd from over the years being clear on what is known and waht is just speculation.
During a 2015 televised panel discussion, Dr. Richard Dawkins (Widely regarded as World's Leading Darwinian Evolutionary Scientist) admitted, *_“The Origin of Life is something we don’t know anything about. And we want to know something about it. And I would love to know how life actually got started.”_* (Source: Real Time with Bill Maher, Overtime, October 2, 2015, HBO)
Ignorance of processes shouldn't lead to thinking a murder 2000 years ago was needed to appease the monster, claimed to be intelligent, described in an ancient book.
Only the hard of thinking can take the crapping on scientific knowledge and believe this proves that they have to worship whatever is being shoveled out at gatherings every Sunday ... by tragic "leaders" who beLIEve they know what their imaginary friend is about. Ironic, these leachers for people's money know less about what they are talking about than these two clowns.
Even if it were true that we know nothing, hundreds of years ago we knew nothing about relativity, quantum mechanics and evolution, just to name a couple. Does our knowing or not knowing make any difference to the truth? Are you saying we should just give up? If we just say "god did it", maybe thats a good enough explanation for you, but not everyone is so happy to explain everything away with the god of the gaps. We have to keep trying to improve our understanding.
@@AlVex98 No, that has never been the stance. It is about the scientists sending a message that they are truly making progress when they have not done so in the way that the "speculative" pre-biotic Earth conditions would have. It is about truth and integrity. They have made a good living off of their research and they will not allow anything to take away their funding and tenure.
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv Then it seems you should publish some kind of paper explaining exactly where the current research or understanding is lacking. James, out of the 648 papers i could find with some reference to him, doesn't mention origin of life in any of them (at least not any that I could find). Why not? Why reduce this important discussion to youtube diss tracks and articles on some clearly biased websites? If there are indisputable facts that debunk our current understanding, it'd be great to know them, instead of claiming that the entire scientific community would overlook the principles of basic science just so a few guys can live comfortably.
@@AlVex98 Why could it not be said that both sides have a point? Mainstream science: Just because we don't have an answer now, doesn't mean we should give up. And saying "God did it" would be a way of giving up. Skeptics of mainstream science: Nevertheless, this should give us pause. Why we are encountering such difficulty? Does this not indicate that somewhere along the line we may have made an unsound basic assumption?
Researchers say they are close in order to obtain funding.
Natural forces can’t make or direct themselves. The laws of nature themselves require a (non contingent) Creator. The Creation of life is simply amazing. The birth of a child is amazing. We are the result of a literal preexisting written word. No natural thing can write a program to make any directed working mechanism much less a viable program consisting of billions of bits of written programming unique for each and every different kind of animal.
LOL - "preexisting written word". How does that make sense.
The behavior of the physical world is imbued with emergence. All things we perceive combine to produce aggregates with new properties. As a result, we exist, as does everything else, but we have the emergent property of abstraction. We can imagine a tomorrow, a universe, a unicorn, an electron etc without experiencing it.
That people on this planet thing there is an Oden, a constellation, an Allah a hell just goes to show how humans can perversely distract themselves with their own delusions during their brief consciousness.
And here we are wasting this time listening to two grifters, using privative technology that people think proves that there is a man that "speaks" it all into existence. Sad.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Prove it.
@@JungleJargon your understanding of the physical universe only begs the question. Who imbued it with emergence? How did life come into being without any life being around to perceive things? Were the rocks perceiving and thinking life into existence? It's more logical to say that a timeless intelligence created the universe, this doesn't require any abstractions at all, it's the simplest explanation.
@@FutureNihilist That’s kinda like what I was saying.
@@JungleJargon The proof is in this book I have that says it si written by god and god says it is true. Hundreds of people believe this to be true as well,
You're Welcome.
lol when Dr. Tour talks about these chemical reactions, i go.... Wow..... God is amazing...
COOL - Christianic Origin Of Life
COOL - believing a badly written ancient text.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Better than any science ... until the REAL CREATORS show up and show themselves? Like, how do you build a Universe? With beings that can witness a Universe is there?
@@CandidDate These "academics" think the explaination of "everything" can be found in some ancient anthology written by fantasy writers. Humanity has to recognize that our understanding of the universe is no different that how a dog might understand what country they are living in. It is tragic that the most arrogant people propagate religion as the answer to our "CLUELESS" knowledge of the world around us.
My comments point out that such a world view by these two guys does NOTHING to help humanity. It only makes the hard of thinking submissive and the vain folks, powerful and manipulative.
if we could add John Lennox you would have my 3 favorite apologists in the world! I always love hearing Jim Tour speak.
"I am going after the people that do not read the scientific literature"
- Dr. James Tour
so that they can read the papers themselves and not just trust the titles
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Nah, creationism can only survive in scientific illiteracy.
Quotemines is all that con artists like Tour have to offer.
So that they will be educated and no longer be duped by the hypes of the OOL researchers.
@@evanskip1 he published and challenged them . . . They became rabbits hiding from a bear 🐻
Another way to say, praying on the hard of thinking.
I'd love to know the time dilation effect of a object with the mass of the Earth and a object with the mass of the Universe
Wonderful. I love both of them.
Would hv also loved if macro-evolution was one of the topics discussed.
Coz Dr. Craig believes in evolution and Dr. Tour does not.
Would hv loved to see Tour shine some light on Craig's understanding.
Maybe, just maybe Dr. Craig would begin to understand the depravity of the evolutionary theory.
Evolution happens. It's a scientific fact.
@@kartashuvit4971 no it is not. It's a lie that has been told too loud and for too long that people believed it to be true.
Once you scratch the surface and dig deeper, the theory falls apart.
@@Jwarrior123 Nope it's a scientific fact. It's the foundation of modern biology
Not a single creationist on Earth has "dug deeper" into the theory of evolution. That's why they have to spread misinformation and repeatedly lie. They are against knowledge. You throw away reality in favor of magical thinking.
Please define or qualify the term "evolution" when you make statements like this.
Evolution - in the sense of adaptation and natural selection - certainly has been observed and proven. But evolution - in the sense of non-life evolving into life; or one species evolving into another, etc. - has not.
@@PB4U "Non-life evolving into life" is abiogenesis, not evolution. So let's throw that out immediately.
Adaptation and natural selection are just buzzwords lol.
Evolution is defined as the change in the allele frequency of a population over successive generations. In other words when 2 individuals of a species reproduce their offspring will inherit their genes with mutations that may or may not alter how the genes get expressed.
Both micro AND macro evolution are governed by those mechanisms.
Creationists often object to evolution not because of any of its mechanisms, but because species don't "look" different enough from one another. That's why they typically say "but it's still a bacteria/lizard/bird".
Look up monophyly. Individuals cannot escape their common ancestry. A bacteria will ALWAYS be a bacteria a hundred years, a million years, a BILLION years in the future. A bacteria will always be classified as a bacteria.
For the exact same reason dogs will always be canids, will always be carnivores, will always be mammals, will always be chordates, will always be animals.
We HAVE observed speciation. What do YOU expect to see when you say "species evolve into another"?
Excellent presentation by two incredibly talented and bright people. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and your time with us! Its greatly appreciated!!
Did Tour explain why he lied about what Lee Cronin said?
And why didn't he correct Craig when Craig spread misinformation about vesicles in order to affirm his inconsistent skepticism?
❤james is totally gunna delete this.
I watched Cronin's interview . . . . He really meant what he said 😂
@@Bubba_Grimm
And every time he deletes a comment that shows that we know he's a liar, it must be like pricking his finger on a thorn. He knows we know he's a liar.
@@Bubba_Grimm
he just deleted a comment I left highlighting the false claim Craig made about vesicles that Tour - a supposed expert - should have corrected, but either was ignorant of the facts, or deliberately didn't correct Craig because it supported his narrative.
@@bengreen171 no he didn't, your comment is still here, I just read it. People replied to it, and it is you who looks like a liar.
What is Exodus 20:16 and what does it mean?