My son has no interest in the iron throne! | Renly Baratheon X Lady Stark | Game of Thrones
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Game of Thrones | S02E05 - The Ghost of Harrenhal
Nine noble families fight for control over the lands of Westeros, while an ancient enemy returns after being dormant for millennia.
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Together they defeated everyone and everyone ended peacefully
Agreed no further questions!
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Lol stannis is the greatest
@@louistakeshi1981renly have the numbers but the red women have shadow birth ability
if the baratheon_stark alliance worked robb and renly would have won
but I prefer stannis on the throne he is a fucking goat
@@roguecrow998 he’s a psycho who kills his allies and his own daughter, and has the most giant stick up his own ass. How exactly is he the goat??
I do hope this alliance works out and that nothing bad happenes to either of them
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Sweet summer child!
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Are you starting to watch the show?
Right after Stannis walked in and they had a civil discussion about how Stannis would take the throne with Renly as hand and heir. Together with Rob they marched up to Kings landing and killed everyone and they lived happily ever after
He burns people
That just eliminates your reputation
@@ishanpekamwar9633 Only because this burning gave him some strategic advantage. Basically, if this was a game of crusader kings 3, he switched faiths and was now investing heavily into county conversion as soon as possible so that his vassals would fall in line and give him the troops he needed, achieving the trait "zealous" and gaining piety from executions.
In all seriousness, the whole "burning unbelievers and getting away with it" part of game of thrones struck me as odd for the current cultural context of game of thrones. My guess, however, is that dragonstone's long history with the targaeryans and dragonstone's unique position in westeros history allowed them some level of independence from the major faith in westeros, which led to an increasing amount of foreign influence, in particular the worship of the fire god r'hllor.
Stannis didn't need the whole realm to agree with him, he merely needed enough men to assault kings landing, get rid of the lannisters and seize his claim on the throne, which was his by the rights of the current kingdom.
Whether this was wise in the long run, is a subject of debate, as Stannis severely lacks one thing (this is true for the books and for the show, regardless of what stannis stans might irrationally think.): the capacity to empathize with his subjects and the ability to put himself in their shoes, thereby accurately foreseeing how his post-usurpation would affect his vassals' opinion of him.
Stannis needs to do a few things, as he himself discovered in the books. He now has to balance immediate tactical gains with future prospects. The "lord of light" has given him some clear advantages and proven functional methods, but his subjects grow increasingly wary (and weary) of him and his foreign priestess. During his march to winterfell, he is not as willing to burn his soldiers simply to get rid of the snow, knowing fully well it probably won't work anyway, and knowing that it would likely cause massive desertions or chaos in his ranks, not to mention dissent from the soldiers that used to follow renly and merely followed stannis because they felt they had no other choice now.
My guess for the books is that either stannis wisens up to what needs to be done and manages to find a balance between these conflicting things, or he will be consumed between them, with the real position of leadership then going to Jon Snow, presuming he will be brought back from the dead like in the show.
Stannis is a hated scum no one wants him.
And Tyrion became captain of the Kingsguard, and Cersei sold all her possessions and donated the proceeds to charity.
@@dandeleon2764Tyrion as the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard ? That's the funniest thing I heard today
Renly has the largest army and Robb is a genious general. Together they are unstopable! I guess the series will end up with the coronation of Renly and a great feast with Robb, some wedding too would be nice.
Genious general is what i called tywin
@@NANINANI-cs6rn Tywin was a pretty poor commander compared to the likes of Robb, Stannis, Randyll Tarly etc
@@davidstephenson164 All that matters is who won though. Tywin won at the end of the day.
Renly was stupid and wasn't even the heir anyway, and Stannis was too pigheaded. Neither could have won.
Robb should've just sat back and see who won out of Renly/Stannis, and backed the other. Then destroyed the Lannisters. Even if they don't get separation from the South at least the Lannisters are dead and they can set up the same deal Ned had with Robert. Stannis was waaaay too preoccupied with Renly and Robb, when there was already someone ON the Throne in King's Landing.
@@NANINANI-cs6rn lmao, tywin is seriously an overrated commander
@@davidstephenson164 I mean, I think you forget that Robb is still young and had good advisors, such as Blackfish. He is still quite smart, at least for listening to them. And he actually has a great potential, but Robb's victories are not only his merit
Still cannot f*cking believe that the Northeners, Renly and Stannis could have teamed up together and make this war like a walk in the park and still ended up losing because of their stubborness. Tywin is so lucky on this honestly.
It was Renly that caused it, Stannis was the older brother and thus the rightful heir, if he could have backed his brothers play, they would have been victorious and he would have had influence over his brother. The North who both respected at worst would have been an ally. The Riverlands and the Vale would probably follow with what the north did and thus.. no more lannisters.. boo hoo.
Tbh the northerners are idiots
@@deanooooooo6496 Nope, the Tyrells don't want Stannis to be king obviously so they would side with the Lannister's obviously.
@@wannabeserpento99 that's idiocy though, no one trusts the Lannisters and never have, stannis may not be friendly but he's at least trustworthy, that was stupid writing.
@@deanooooooo6496the Tyrells don't like the Florents and they knew all too well that Queen Selyse would never stop yapping that her uncle Aleiser is the rightful heir to Highgarden. Their best chance at the throne is marrying into it and their only option was Renly (Robb only claiming North, Stannis married, Joffrey rumored to be illegitimate). Only after losing Renly did they moved on to the 2nd, lesz savory option.
Renly was dumb to not take Stannis's offer, he would've been the heir to Stannis anyways, joined Robb, and their combined forces would've annihilated the Lannisters.
Edit- I am basing this on Stannis's character in the book, not on the fanatic, child killer in the show.
I doubt the Tyrells would join the war to seat Stannis as king. Mace Tyrell only supported Renly so Margery can be Queen.
Stannis would have no doubt tried for a son
@situzifeng mace? really? loras and possibly olenna were the real leaders. loras the battle commander while olenna the true matriarch of the tyrells .
loras would've surely supported renly.
stannis saw robb stark as a usurper and wanted him killed. and celebrated his death
Meh, I feel like this is a 20/20 hindsight thing. The only way Stannis had a chance was his Deus Ex Machina that was The Red Woman, and nobody knew of what she was capable of
"Their friendship held the kingdom together"
John Arryn did. Their friendship threw the kingdom in the bin in 10 months straight.
Of course he has no interest in the throne. He “dUnT WUNT iT”
It must be running in the family 😂😂
Well actually 🤓 Jon wasnt her son
@@willatano1464 yeaaa she really liked to make that very very clear especially in the books. Perhaps a little too clear 💀💀
@@willatano1464true but Jon snow is technically still half stark, it’s just through his moms side instead of his dads like he thought. So it technically can still be a “Stark” thing that runs in the family 😂
Muh queen
To be fair, this was a more than fair offer, knowing that in Renlys eyes he is the true King he never had to say yes to Robb being king. Had stannis made the same offer and as he is true to his word, the war would have been over
Except Renly had the least claim on the throne as all of them.
except he’s not the true king. if anything stannis is
Important to bear in mind that Renly is offering the North what you might call a Dornish compromise: independent but not really.
@@yfhjojoNeither of them was the right king for Westeros. Too much of the dragon in both brothers.
Stannis and Renly being unable to come to an understanding ultimately doomed the 7 Kingdoms. They could have easily set it up so Stannis becomes the King, Renly is appointed to his seat on the small council, maybe even named Hand of the King. Renly becomes the heir to the throne and is named Prince. Margaery Tyrell is named Princess Consort and their children are the designated heirs to the throne. Robb Stark is offered the same deal he is given in this video. He continues to call himself King in the North but swears an oath of allegiance to the Baratheon's. Stannis is King, Renly has a larger voice in how the Kingdoms are run, Renly may also be king one day, the Tyrells remain in the fold, the North is given more autonomy.
None of that would have ever happened. Stannis was too arrogant and uncompromising to leave Robb the north. In the books he even threatens to deal with him next
@@dersuddeutschesumpf5444 Your absolutely correct.
Robb could never have taken the offer. He waged war on the premise of a free and independent North. Turning around and swearing fealty to a new King would've betrayed all the Houses who fought under him.
Why would Renly serve Stannis if Renly has an army 20 times larger? Stannis is mad and burns people. He wanted to kill Robb and Renly. Even if Stannis becomes king, he will be quickly sent away
@@user-uf9lz5wz4nare you a bot? stannis was the best choice hands down, better than dany renly cersei joffrey whoever else you can say. stannis was the right choice
Renly was such a good-looking dude
Himbo
The most handsome man in all the seven kingdoms according to Sansa
Also so gaaay
His nose is too wide at the top. 2/10
@@princeicio Which makes him even hotter.
People talk crap about Ned and Robert but, their friendship literally held the kingdoms together now that’s a brotherly bond.
No one has ever talked crap about them. Stop making up stupid narratives.
@@MahanFan1 you need friends bud why you so hostile ?
Yes they really did a good job holding the kingdoms together for those 17 years they didn't speak to each other.
@@MacMeeloaww you sensed his problem in his time of need. Go be his friend. You and Mahanfan1 can be like Robert and Ned.
No, Jon Arryn held the kingdoms together. Robert was a drunk and Ned stayed far out in the North majority of the time. Jon Arryn was the one actually running all seven kingdoms.
The fact little finger lives so damn long is crazy to me.
Robert was the warrior, Stannis was the military brain. While Renly was the politician that knew how to work people.
Hes trying to take Greywater Watch, Flints Finger and the whole of the Neck for himself as if Robb would have allowed that.
Not too mention that the Riverlands also joined Rob at this point, and he was king of the north and rivers
I guess Renly likes swamp
@@muhammadrifqi25 The Riverlands is the most fertile kingdom after the Reach. He's not giving that up.
I’ve always liked Renly in the show. Genuinely smart and logical, at moments he and Tyrion seem to be the only ones who seem to understand and properly act on the gravity of their situations in Westeros. Kind and loving. Somewhat tactical, mostly in a political sense tho rather than a war-commander. And I just like the depth he adds. A family of war-lords and soldiers, and he sticks out as different, unique. And it happens to be his gift and curse.
it's for this reason why im actually kinda pissed off by how he was killed. I can respect the way Robb died. he was foolish and broke an oath and thought he could dine in the halls of a vile man whose he broke his oath with.
But Renly? the dude was killed off because of blood magic bullshite.
@@zacharyjackson1829 Damn right, shit was unfit for a man like Renly. Felt rushed, like they didn’t know how to kill him off right.
Sword swallower through and through
People tend to underestimate Renly. Mostly based on Donal Noye's quote about steel, iron and copper, that's a textbook example of unreliable narrator (as amply demonstrated by the fact that "true steel" Robert had been an atrocious king).
Reality is that Renly was a fine politician. He sat in the Small council for years, without having been fooled by Littlefinger and Varys. He had been the only one that gave the right advises to Ned (that spectacularly failed to discern friends from foes since the moment he left the North). He easily made alliances that would have made him invincible on the field. Not by chance, he had been the only claimant to the Iron Throne that had to be killed by a supernatural intervention. His position was too strong otherwise.
@@neutronalchemist3241 I actually really enjoy your interpretation. He WOULD be nearly unkillable in any other circumstance. Only through a tragic end of a terrible reign that caused horrendous turbulence, and literal demon magic, could he have been stopped. Literally the opposite of plot armor, dude got plot-assassinated😂
Ned wouldn't have wanted the North to be independent, and Ned supported Stannis.
If everyone had just followed Ned's lead this war would've ended much quicker
Unfortunately, there were very few people like Ned on that continent. Almost everyone did what was good for them, not what was right.
@@lindsay9838 the ironic thing about Ned is that discussion Jon and Maester Aemon had about duty, the line "love is the death of duty" and Jon answering Aemon's question what Ned would do describes exactly how Ned saved Jon.
Ned saved Jon out of love for his sister over his duty towards Robert Baratheon
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Nah, Robb Rebelled against the ones who killed Ned and seated a bastard on the Throne. His war was never against Stannis
@@thalmoragent9344 by not immediately supporting Stannis, and by sending Catelyn to make diplomatic relations with Renly, he was denying Stannis' right to the throne.
There's also the fact Robb is essentially a rebel, most of his support is because he demands the entire northern region be a separate kingdom, so he's stealing the entire north from Stannis
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33
At the time, Robb's intent wasn't to take anything from Stannis, it was initially to face off against the Lannisters and Joffrey
And Renly had the Tyrells backing him, so Renly was the more powerful ally at the time.
That being said, I agree Robb should've gone to Stannis first, work together to bring Renly into the fold, and then off to King's Landing and then the Westerlands
Renly would’ve been such a good king. He knew how to rule and understood politics. Plus he was kind, compassionate and genuinely wanted to help the people of Westeros.
stannis is way better but his red women ruined everything if he returned to kingslanding for the hand's tournament he would sat on the throne once ned discovered that the seed is strong
The show would have you think of, the books go more in depth on Renly to show he was mostly hot air. He wasn't particularly good at anything besides looking good and being charismatic.
But...he's gay
@@Hugh_Morris he can't produce heirs since he has no interest in ladies if margery can't effect him then I don't know who can
@Skull Hunter there have been gay rulers in the past that have fathered children. It's possible, just less likely
"Moat Caitlin." Fuck, they couldn't have done two takes?
Honestly kinda believable that a pompous southern prince would mispronounce the name of some backwater fortress in the north.
@@Adsper2000 all right, now I'm sold on this explanation. Especially because you used the word "backwater" and it couldn't be a more perfect description of the locale, both literally and figuratively.
No no, he was suggesting it be renamed ‘Moat Catelyn’ in her honour as an extra sweetener for the deal.
Hmm
I assume the actor was just distracted from saying Catelyn so often lol
“Their friendship held the kingdom together.”
Yes, I mean sure you can at least try, but it’s a gamble to expect the two of you will yield the same level of friendship.
Also, according to Renly's reputation, he could possibly expect "friends with benefits" from Rob. Don't think Stark would be happy with even thoughts about it...
@@CLearER16 No, Renly was gay, not stupid. Besides, he was in love with Lora's. Pretty sure he didn't just sleep around with anyone, especially not extremely influential figures like Robb Stark
@@scoobydoo2587his royal guard was called the rainbow knights… you can’t make this shit up
@@theshambler6814 The Reach have a fable for that kind of shit, a guy like Renly especially. Doesn't mean he'd try to get it on with Robb Stark...
If Melissandra had not murdered Renly, Renly would had crush Stannis, then him and Rob would had crush Tywin.
Renly would have been the King and Rob King in the north until Daenerys arrived a few years later
Keyword: If
This alliance could easily have broken down in that situation anyways. Renly would not want to cede dominion of the riverlands but these lands were sworn to Rob
as catelyn said in the books, renly's army was full of summer soldier boys and winter is coming
Ah yes, Renly would crush Stannis, a seasoned siege defender in one of the most easily defendable castles in the seven kingdoms.
@@datnoob4394 Technically he is stuck between Storm's End Garrison and the Army of Renly. Stannis would only convince Storm’s End to yield after Renly and the Garrison Commander was dead.
Sounds reasonable enough
Except what about Stannis? Look how that went lmao
@@tfdidusayho tbf what was Renly supposed to do about being ganked by a shadow?
@@Kalsimir ganked by stannis’s pussy shadow no less
A king swearing fealty to antoher king and loose his dominion of the riverlands? Doesnt make any sense
Not really. If Robb has to swear the exact same oath of fealty that Ned had to, it doesn't matter if he calls himself "King", the North has no more independence in real terms than it did before.
I’m just going to take this clip as canon for the rest of the show and cure my trauma instantly! Feels better already
Ned supported Stannis’s right to the throne and Caitlyn betrayed him by supporting Renly
Catelyn thought she was as strong as the lanisters. So she arrested the most vulnerable Lanister and the body count started to skyrocket. Dumb dumb dumb.
Catelyn didn’t support Renly + Stannis hadn’t even declared yet
Catelyn is a dumb whore lmao
Catelyn also released Jamie Lannister with 0 guarantee that she would get anything in return
She really was the bane of house Stark
@@daboos6353 she stood alongside Renly when him and Stannis confronted each other. Stannis even calls her out for it
Honestly, this is something she should have told Stannis as well, maybe then both Rob, Catlyn, and a shit load of northern men would still be alive.
No. stannis, with arrogance and idiocy, was ready to "tame" the young wolf. As if he already had the iron throne under his skinny ass.
Stannis wouldn't listen. For all his great qualities, Stannis doesn't compromise, he doesn't make deals and he always remembers a slight.
In the books, he told Catelyn that as soon as he's done with Renly, he's coming for Robb
He refused to give up anything at all. He wanted all 7 kingdoms, no exceptions. Kept calling Robb Stark “usurper” and wanted him dead. Assumed the leeching of Gendry had worked because he wished for The King in the North to die and he did
@@lindsay9838 yeah he wanted robb dead but nice scene in the books when he is throwing the leeches in the fire and he pauses and regrets saying robbs name.He still saw him as a king too when his death comes and he rings the bells at dragonstone which only do when a king dies.
Peak game of thrones unless u read the books no one knew what would happen
That actually sounds like a fair deal
Man this guy seems really nice, I sure hope nothing bad happens to him
Renly was sooo close - as heir to Stannis, he and Margaery would rule...one day.
Rob should go ask old man Fraye if he could cross that bridge. It will all work out fine.
I don't think so. Walder Frey ALWAYS gets a toll for his bridge. And concepts like honour and duty are unknown to him
Renly was the most handsome character in the series
Bro🤨
Idk I thought Jamie was more handsome, he literally rode in like prince charming
I would say Dickon Tarley.
@@vibecaptainthe9147 what?
@@fezii9043 I feel like the actor that played Jaime Lannister wasn't as attractive
Moat Caitlyn
Jon arryn: do I look like a joke to you.
Renly as King, Robb ruling the North would’ve worked out best of all options
Every character referenced in this scene is dead by season 3
My thoughts? Who does Renly think he is? He’s defended no castles, won no battles, and literally not in line to be king. Robert and Ned had a friendship built on trust and respect, hence Ned’s pledge. Rob has never had a relationship with him. Why would he pledge similarly?
That is true
Renly just subtly tried to take The Neck for himself. Thats actually a giant piece of the North.
And it belongs to the reeds who are pledged to house stark.
To be fair i don't think the writers were that conscious of Westerosi geography
Worth it for independence.
@@SirBenjiful not when the Ironborn come stomping around. If the Iron Throne governs it, there will never be an adequate response to the Greyjoys cutting off the North from the rest of the realm
@ben ben this is exactly what happened in the books when Victarion Grey took Moat Cailin to stop Robbs army from coming back up North. But also, the Starks are beloved by their bannermen because they're loyal to them, if King Robb let thousands of his subjects go under the yoke of the Iron Throne, none of the Northern Lords would respect him. Further, (again in the books) Robb isn't just fighting for the North, he's fighting for the Riverlands as well, Renly is making Robb give up the future breadbasket of his Kingdom.
JJR Martin made Renly to op. The logical thing for Renly to do would be to march on kings landing instead of waiting. After taking the city he should have hunted down the lannister army in the Riverlands and then taken out the westerlands. As all of this was going on he should have the tyrells attack the westerlands from the south. A win would be guaranteed even without Rob. But if you count Rob in renly would have won fast
This is the reason Renly did this stupid unrealistic tournament and was killed by magic
@@emw6014 unrealistic tournament ?
@@fazediamond5671 Personally, I think Renly did the smart thing.
Why waste your men storming a city when you can instead starve said city to surrender?
Back in the Middle Ages (before cannons became a reliable weapon) starving a garrison was always the first choice. You never attacked a fortress or castle unless you had no neither the time nor other options.
He couldn't.
His army had a hundred thousand soldiers, but also a dozen generals.
He had to take it slow, because no-one in the Stormlands or Reach wanted to lose their army, seat and head over a _second son._ Third son.
The pretender died a pretender's death. Long live Stannis! The one true king!
He had to kill his brother with blood magic because he knew he couldn’t face him in a battle, Renly would have butchered Stannis and his army
@@Baytudka Renly thought like you do. Look what happened to him.
@@ietomos7634 he died by treason,but don’t worry George doesn’t let this kind of things go, Stannis will get what he deserves, one doesn’t kill his own kin cowardly and get to be king for a long time
I really liked renly despite his flaws
Why is everyone defending Renly like he wasn't one of the main reasons the Lannisters won the war to begin with. If he hadn't listened to his little boyfriend Lorras, he would've united with Stannis and then helped lead a united Baratheon-Stark-Tyrell army against the Lannisters.
Not his fault most people don't want to blindly follow stannis
The Lannisters won the war because stupid Stannis killed Renly, the Tyrell army went over to the Lannister side and Stannis lost almost the entire army in King's Landing. Stannis has stupid fans
Their friendship held the kingdoms together, well. Until it didn't. The Iron throne is always gonna be a beacon for more war
Only if Renly, Stanis, and Rob were able to all team up
He called it Moat "Caitlyn" but it's "Cailin" with no "T".
It was a good ending in the 8th season how Renly truly became the king! Such a good season 🙂
I want to see a timeline where Renly and Robb both back Stannis, and at the point the Greyjoys would’ve had no choice but to stay neutral or join them as well. The Vale likely could’ve been convinced to join as well, and Dorne so it would’ve been a sweep with the most just king on the throne
Stannis is not the most just king.
This will never happen because Stannis is a mad king, he burns people and refused to make an alliance with Robb and Renly. Everyone hates Stannis and no one will serve him
It makes me wonder how things would have gone if Ned listened to Renly, just after Robert died
The offer is incredible from Renly, Robb stays King in The North, The North is now mostly left alone from the south as long as they never take up arms against Renly and likely has their taxes reduced dramatically with the only condition being Renly is still above Robb
The show went downhill after they made the deal and they just lived in peace
"MOAT CAITLIN!" XD
Still crazy how Renly Baratheon had both the North(+by extension the Riverlands) and the Reach backing his claim yet was the first of the five kings to die.
That was crazy. However in the books Renly stupidly rushed ahead with only his knights to confront Stannis at Storm's End leaving his vast host of infantry and all his supplies behind.
Renly with only his knights vs Stannis with his entire army would've been a much fairer fight.
Stannis would probably have some trap planned for all that cavalry, so Renly might have died first anyway even if the shadow assassin ploy did not work.
Funny how at the end of the show another one of her sons sits on the Iron Throne.
God they woulda been unstoppable too bad it never happened
"My son has no interest in the iron throne" well...one does.
He doesn't really want anything.
My son has only an interest in the ceramic throne, 'cause of diarrhea.
The joke is on everyone. Tyrion Lannister proposed that Bran Stark should be elected King of the remaining 6 Kingdoms. 😂
" insert complements about the scene here " bla bla better than season 8
he called her cat how cute
The most underrated character in this I guess is Jon Arryn. Robert was mostly drunk and whoring his way to death. Ned was far away in North and hardly met Robert. Which meant Jon Arryn as Hand literally ran the affairs in Kings landing and held the kingdoms together. Don’t believe me? Imagine why Littlefinger convinced Lysa to poison Arryn.. Therein lies your answer.
"He can keep calling himself King in the North and the Starks can hold dominion over all this massive land."
TAKE THE DEAL
he controlled literally like half of westeros
If only he lived 😭
어떻게보면 왕좌의게임에서 가장 왕에 적합한 인물
너무 정의롭지도않고 너무 무자비하지도않으며 너무 명예를따지지도 않고 많은 가문들의지지와 백성의 사랑을받는 유일한 왕..그놈의 드레곤, 마술,주술만없었어도 랜리가진작에 왕위에 올랐을텐데
Thats guys, its a good agreement.
A wise agreement that brings justice for both parts. And with justice comes also respect.
Renly really was the best choice
Man they were so close to seriously winning everything
I think Renly would've been a good king.
Catelyn: "My son has no interest in the iron throne".
Renly, with a smoldering look: "but I have a special interest in your son".
Thank you, may God bless you all and everyone. ❤
Renly would of made a good ruler
I miss Renly😢
“North of Moat Cailin” Renly and Catelyn kinda forgot about how the Riverlords had also declared themselves independent.
Stannis would rather plunge the realm into war instead accepting his Brother as king.
Even murder him and destroy this promising alliance between his House and House Stark.
Stannis has a better claim
@@fazediamond5671 Formallly yes, realistically no.
Renly was the greatest, and only hope for a lasting peace. He would have been a good, just king, instead the traitor and murderous stannis the mannis used dark magic to slay this good man.
If only Robb had Theon kept by his side, not broken his marriage vows, and Renly and Stannis had come to some agreement - then they would have crushed the Lannisters.
Renly lacked imagination, Dorne was the key
Honestly, as much as the throne was Stannis' right, Renly really was a much better politician.
Man didn’t even realize he lost over 800 geo when he died to Marmu
what a weird and specific reference that doesn't even make that much sense even if you understand the context.
@@RedFloyd469 lmao. I completely forgot this happened. This was a comment I was writing on a different video that somehow ended up here (don’t ask I’m as confused as anyone else) and I decided to leave it because I thought it was funny.
Yeah.. not that son, but the other son is
Robb & Jon : I duh wun it
Renly was a very under rated character in got.
He would be the best king if given a chance.
The North, The Reach and Stormlands.....this war would've been over in days. But one dagger to the heart changed all of it.....beauty of GRRM's writing.
ooOooOohh "Kat". On a nickname basis are we
The writing was so fucking good
Back when GOT held such promise...
Renley would’ve been a good king. Too self absorbed to be a great King, but he would’ve been a good one.
End fighting destroyed both the Targaryen and the Baratheon’s the thirst for power that would have been acquired naturally through progression of lineage forever fleeting because of family’s destroying each other
Cat is a woman of wonderful judgment and I'm pretty sure she will not make any emotional or rash decisions.
Stannis absorbs Renly's army, Renly becomes Stannis' number 2. Both present a united house Baratheon to Rob, Rob would join no problem, because his dad wouldve loved that. Those 3 together would have absolutely decimated the Lannister forces. Rob would've taken the starks and bannermen to secure and hold the north, while Stannis sits the throne and renly takes hold of the west from the now dead lanisters. BUT NO, everyone has gotta be greedy.
Problem was that Stannis wasn't exactly a good fit at this point. He was already a religious fanatic with bad influence. Most likely the prime reason why Renly didn't obey his brother in the first place and rightly so.
@@DrAhzekStannis beber becane a fanatic. In this point he wasn't even a convert
He converted bonly in book 3
Difference is Ned and Robert were childhood friends while Renly and Robb are basically strangers.
Tbh this was a pretty good deal and likely had some decent wiggle-room to give the North additional negotiated perks. The Starks never hated the Iron Throne, they just knew that the Lannisters were out to get them and felt they had to do something to stop then. Putting a new king on the iron throne would destroy the Lannisters, put them back on good terms with King's Landing, avenge their father's killer, and probably a few pre-negotiated political concessions from Renly (or Stannis) to boot. Don't forget that the North becoming independent meant they still had to ward of Greyjoy raids and cover the Night's Watch while maintaining a presence on their southern border without the backing of the rest of the empire.
Stannis was an absolute moron to not accept renly as King and join with Robb and him.
Stannis could have just encouraged Renly to fight on the field same as Robb and once Renly dies, Stannis could have been King.
But Stannis was the elder brother, by rights he was the heir and Renly a usurper
@HeirofcIreland play the game and win. Stannis didn't play the game. If he did perhaps he'd be King.
@@Golgari213he played but by his rules how does he even die?
@@mcbdllc2848 hopefully he ends up in a better place than in the show. I'm really rooting for him.
I feel bad for Cat. She sacrificed a lot for her children but her children always mentions their father not her.
It wasn't uncommon in the medieval era. Realistically a landmass the size of westeros would have an emperor - a king of kings.
Ren and Rob marriage to unite the lands 😂
"My son has no interest in the Iron Throne."
*Renly takes a slightly audible sip of his chocolate milk, delaying his response to allow the slightest hint of tension, creating a sense of relief and friendliness when he finally replies.
"No cap, fam', we should collaborate."
Had Renly recognized the merit of Stannis as king, with himself as his heir - this whole thing would have turned out quite a bit better for him.
In an alternate timeline Renly accepts Stannis' offer then Robb sides with them against the Lannisters. In this same timeline Robb doesn't feel the iron Islands would be necessary and never sends away Theon thus Winterfell is never occupied and Robb is never drawn north. Robb also honors his oath to the Freys. Brann is still drawn north by his green dreams eventually making his way to the 3 eyed raven and Arya still ends up on her journey that ends up in Braavos. No purple wedding no red wedding.
I wonder how much crazier and different things would have turned out had it went that way?
Ned Stark honored this oath and supported Stannis. Renly didn't.
He could’ve just let the north be entirely independent with a treaty of peace between them and it would’ve been more or less the same, and if he did want them too join at some point he could write in the treaty when the war is over Robb’s future children would bind their houses by wedding his children. Easy
It is not the seven kingdoms without the North. This is why I believe in an alternative universe of game of thrones that Gantry should have sat on the throne with a marriage to Sansa Stark.
She was foolish and so was ned! Renley was offering her a beautiful deal