One theme you'll see throughout the series is that Lucifer never lies to anyone except himself. The "except himself" is a BIG part of his character development over the seasons.
funnily enough in this episode i spotted a "kinda lie", he said something like "i chose who gets punished in hell" , however as we later learn thats not really true, people are creating their own hell, its their own regrets that send them there, not really their deeds as cain pointed out he would go to heaven as he was free of regrets (lucifer corrected him on that, but thats a different story) mind you i don't think that was intendet on the writers part, its basically a throwaway line in one of the first episodes of the series so it not having canon effects in season 3 is logical, still, technically he lied there
@@deathking1019 after rewatching the exchange went something like (was cut a bit awkwardly in the video here, didn't get the exact words of chloe) chloe:"you don't get to decide who gets punished and how" followed by lucifer saying:"thats exactly what i do.", but if they left hell (or never got send there) he wouldn't punish them, he only punishes those that got send to his domain, therefore he is not the one deciding who gets punished but only how. if you run a prison and a judge sends someone there the judge decided they need punishment, you are just enforcing it. mind you its such a minor detail, pretty sure when this line was written no one was thinking of how hell would be described to function 2 seasons later and in this case i would call that fair, as it truly is just a funny throwaway line that no normal person will ever remember years later.
@@houseofaction again though, chloe said he does not decide who gets to decide who gets punished and how, he said he does, that however is not true. - he gets to decide HOW people get punished, yes, however he does not decide WHO gets punished. unless being in hell but not tormented is an option, which does not seem to be the case as even he himself was tortured when he was "just visiting" that means he does NOT decide who gets punished. People send to hell get punished, but he does not send them there, they themselves do by having regrets, or at the very least they themselves are what finally keeps them from leaving.
Trixie's actress is one of the best child actresses I've ever seen. The character is loveable, the girl does a great job, and I'm hoping she has a bright future.
@@Shello58 That's cool tbh. I hope she goes the same route as Selina Gomez, Zendaya and Jena Ortega and can use it as a platform to get into the industry.
I know right I'm only 7 episodes in and I fall in love with her every time she's on screen (especially whenever she interacts with Lucifer) I don't know who this kid is that plays her but big props she kills the role and I genuinely that if she sticks with acting into her adult years that she wins a Oscar one day (provided she continues to grow as a actress of course because she ain't on the level yet sorry to say.)
I thought you were being literal then and was about to write a meaty paragraph about how he never shows up but then I figured out you were talking about the actor 😂🤣😂
@@darkassassinkantafly but there is technically Lucifer is apart of the Dc universe or at least the Arrowverse (CW shows) which contain shows like the flash, arrow, super-girl, legends of tomorrow, titans, Doom patrol, Swampthing etc etc.
NO SPOILERS: Season 1 starts a little rough, but within the next episode or two things get really interesting and the rest of the season is REALLY good. The rest of the show is about 95% great, 5% dragging.
Well I just started watching this show since sunday and now I'm on the third season on episode 12 I can say that It did really entertain me I didn't find it rough the Pilot was really promising and I continued the filler episodes are really good!
Tony Stark when you get to the end of season 3 you will probably be bored of the filler trust me but if not fair play but season 4 is really good at just keeping it plot oriented rather than filler
@@swifttodeath To be fair you're binging it which makes the season 3 issue not seem so bad. For those who followed the show week to week season 3 feels like it ran just way too long. With that said i still enjoyed it but I totally understand how people could feel that way.
Put yourself into the position of Chloe in the show. Would you SERIOUSLY believe someone was the ACTUAL Devil??? Be realistic, you would rationalize everything odd that you'd see around him, because if he IS the Devil, then not only he is real, but God is real and everything that entails. That screws with your head. Proof of the divine is not something people are likely to ever be able to handle well, if at all.
What is "divine" and what is "not divine"? God is "divine" but the creations that follow His mega-secret mega-complex "divine" plan *to the letter* _(because)_ aren't? Because God said so so that's how it is _because?_ Religion is made of stoopid.
@@terminatorw1222 Na, you're just really gullible. Everything she's seen is easily explainable by reality. You probably believe every magician you've ever seen was a real, genuine D&D wizard.
You guys are in for a treat, In my opinion Lucifer is like one of the very few amount of shows that doesn't really have a bad season. They just get better and better. What's even more good is that at this point just before Season 5, all questions you guys just asked get answered at one point or another.
Oh yes...thats because in the "apple scene" you see a woman and a beautiful man sleeping in Lucifer bed 🙄 guys, he is the devil, that means pleasure without borders or rules. ..
This show reminds of why I liked Bones. The actual crime plots are just meh but it's the characters and their interactions that make the show worth viewing. As some have said, the first season is a bit rough but it gets better. I think season 4 is probably the best season thus far.
i think that's actually the point of this whole crime solving thing it's a way to develop lucifer's character and seeing how it turned out in the end, it worked pretty well in my opinion
I have a love/hate relationship with these shows. The story and the characters are what we want but then they are watered down with the cop show procedural aspect. I will often praise shows that are willing to forgo the cop show to focus on the story (and therefore the characters).
@@scalpingsnake Exactly That's why I love lucifer There is actually a purpose of these cases they solve And then starting from season 3 the show starts going to its true essence Which is mythological perspective After it had 2 seasons to really develop the characters
scalpingsnake I care more for the characters vs the buddy cop aspect of it. Yet i recognize that without the cop aspect we would be lacking what actually brought chloe and Lucifer together.
Again, in a world without superpowers or any overtly supernatural elements, I'm pretty sure it would take a lot for people to belive you're the literal Devil, especially if you limit your powers to be more minor.
That's why evil can survive in real life too, satans presence on earth aka "lucifer" , that's the metaphor. People don't believe in evil until its made completely obvious and is spelled out for them.
Good episode imo. The case itself is fine but the interactions between Chloe & Lucifer elevate it , I like how it gives a bit more insight into Chloe’s past as well since she is a rather guarded person right now. Also I buy she wouldn’t believe that Lucifer is the LITERAL devil , she doesn’t believe in the supernatural and this world doesn’t have any overt supernatural things happening in it . Also , she’s a detective and would need hard proof.
I'm stoked that you guys are finally watching Lucifer. Knowing what is coming and listening to your theories is lots of fun. Eric, you have a very good grasp on all of these shows, it makes me think you work in the industry. I can't wait for you to meet some of the other characters that will show up in this series. There may not be super heroes like the flash, or superman but you will not be starved for non-human entertainment or feats of wonder and dread. Also if you like Trixie now, just wait for her character development. I think you will also enjoy Mazakine's character arch. So much to look forward to with your reactions, I wish I was late to the game and could power watch your reactions. I did that with the flash. I feel like I kind of know you fellas. Your theorizing is the best part because sometimes you guys are spot effing on. Looking forward to the next episode. Thanks for sharing. Alice from upstate NY.
Please continue this series! I didn't think i'd like Lucifer at first but it soon grew on me. You'll enjoy this one, the depth it brings is incredible! It's very introspective
_"Is punishing the guilty justice? Or is it revenge?"_ Justice is not about punishment. Justice is about trying for equality that is not absurd. Everyone on the planet removing their eyes and genitals because blind people and eunuchs exist would be absurd equality. Punishing the "guilty" is about practicality (teaching them a lesson) or about revenge (they've violated your boundaries so you reciprocate to "nullify" the violation, "even the score").
Justice is revenge, the difference is just semantics. A murderer being executed or slapped on the wrist is still the same, a punishment is being given to him. The reason is because he killed someone. If the punishment is given by a dispassionate executioner or the victim's angry spouse... the result is the same. Justice and revenge are the same, we invent distinctions to make justice seem better and revenge seem worse... when ultimately they are the same.
@@Fordo007 "Murder" is a myth. And I just explained the difference between justice and revenge; justice is the pursuit of an equality that is not absurd. Revenge is not. Revenge is basically retaliation; you have moved against me/us to such an extent that I'm/we're now going to move against you as much or far worse until I/we *feel* satisfied (even if others deem it absurd) or something interferes. Punishment can be about teaching a lesson or about revenge. I'll illustrate: *Police officer:* _"This is your third time caught drinking and driving? That's it. It's revenge time!"_ *Drunk driver:* _"Huh? What, no one got hurAAGH!"_ (gets beaten to death) *Police officer:* _"That'll teach him to drink and drive."_ Is that punishment? Yes. Revenge? No. Justice? Definitely no. Teaching a lesson? Only in the sense that other people will have views about the event.
@@Fordo007 While you are basically right, it's a bit more nuanced. The "justice system" is simply organized revenge on a larger social level. This means the justice/revenge is usually less personal and more consistent. However, It's also worth considering that the definition of justice may be poorly explained by using any "justice system" as an example. If it's a subjective definition or even if true justice does not exist in any practical sense, I still think it's useful to keep the concepts separate. That's the purpose of semantics.
@@nemonomen3340 Not really, the justice system is about social equality, not social revenge. Even the death penalty is more about sending a message than society "getting the satisfaction of revenge". Justice does exist in the practical sense; it is the *pursuit* of an equality that is not absurd. It exists just like fishing and reading and jumping and philosophy and bodybuilding exist.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps You're absolutely right that the death sentence is about "sending a message" but when an individual gets their "satisfaction of revenge" it is also about sending a message. That might not be the _conscious_ goal of the individual, but that is why vengeful attitudes naturally evolved. You don't steal from the guy who broke the last thief's kneecaps just like you don't steal in an area that has an effective justice system. It's interesting that you chose here to define justice as "the _pursuit_ of an equality that is not absurd" rather than simply "equality that is not absurd." The difference is vital and under the former definition, I would agree it exists practically. I, however, prefer the latter definition as it is how the word is generally used.
Guy in the nuthouse at the end was not the preacher in the street, it was Jimmy from episode 1, the guy that Lucifer revealed his face to after he shot Chloe.
WOW i just realized that you couldn't haved notice it ! Back when it first aired, i was confused on how this dude was, because they recast the role of Trixies dad after the Pilot, i went back to last episode and yes, they put the new actor in instead. The szene at the school is a perfect example, he is either rotoscoped in the foreground or alone on screen xD
The first half of the season is more abt setting the tone & characters, but it really kicks in second half. You’ll get more of the anthology then. This is a great show, and Tom Ellis does an amazing job.
Different people lead with different beliefs. Like emotion, rationality, science, faith. In this world I would say that seeing Lucifer's 'demon' face is enough to make anyone believe him, but it also terrifies the person seeing it and makes them go crazy.
In the later seasons they explore the mechanics of Hell and punishment therein. They approach it in an interesting way and one I haven't seen in other media, though it could certainly be out there. As for, "When will Chloe finally believe him?" Well, it is pretty unbelievable to be fair. Even for people of faith, they usually imagine god and angels and demons in another plane of existence like heaven or hell. Accepting that not only is all that real but it continues to interact with the human world and plane just, whenever they feel like it, is a paradigm shifting thought. Plus, being in LA they're surrounded by performers and 'movie magic' and such, which is far easier to accept than being acquaintances with literally Lucifer.
That show is so good. and I appreciate that they do seem to focus a lot on the crime and detective aspect of it as well as the characters, which are definitely entertaining as well.
13:27 yeah it was on the show flash I believe where there’s a multiverse and they invited a lot of iconic tv shows characters, if I recall there was also Clark from Smallville that was cool
Lucifer is loosely based off the DC comics character of the same name in Sandman comics/graphic novel. So because of that is why he appeared in Crisis as a little Easter egg referencing the fact they got their inspiration from DC’s Lucifer. However the Crisis cameo takes place during the 5 years he was here on earth before the pilot of the show which is interesting cause no one ever references crisis (obviously cause it didn’t happen yet in real time) but it’s still an intriguing way to put him in the DC timeline
Tom Ellis who plays lucifer also played Thomas Milligan in the Doctor Who story Last of the Time Lords. Ellis is best known for his role as Gary in the BBC sitcom Miranda, opposite Miranda Hart, and has also appeared in series such as EastEnders, Merlin and Lucifer.16 Jun 2020
There's some fascinating theological and philosophical questions brought up by watching this show, but for a lot of the continuity struggles within the writing you just have to "go with it." Because the main thing about this show is that it's fun (with occasional darkness that's also terrific). Tom Ellis is what makes this show so alluring because he just has so much fun with the character, but trust me, the other characters get more and more interesting as well. I hope you like it!
The thing that I realized on the rewatch is that Lucifer kicked the guy in the nuts while time was slowed down, so from the guy's perspective he got kicked in the nuts at superspeed, which is... ouch to say the least
on the topic of how he relates to the greater DC multiverse...in the comics, Lucifer shaped the multiverse, and later settled on one Earth (presumably Earth 0) and opened Lux. in the show, they're in the Arrow multiverse, in their own universe, separate from the other shows. and about"infinite punishment"...in both the comics and show, it's explained that people only go to Hell because they feel they deserve to, and they stay there as long as they feel they deserve it. very few have ever left.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps no. in both the comics and the show, Lucifer is the hero, fighting against his father's tyrannical rule, and at least in the comics, Yahweh isn't depicted as a sadist, but as an out of touch father who doesn't get it, and tries to do what's best for everyone, but doesn't know what that is. he considers undoing everything, do that nothing ever existed, at one point, to erase suffering, but Elaine talks him out of it, and he steps down as God so she can take his place.
@@nonplayablenpccharacter It doesn't really matter. You created Hell or you are the warden of Hell, either way, since "deserving" is a myth, you are having people tortured for "feeling they deserve to be" for "as long as they feel they deserve it" for what amounts to your personal satisfaction. And since "very few have ever left" and we're on a planet which has seen 3.4 million years of Stone Age and 6,000 years of post-Stone Age, for how long have the majority of "inmates" been there now, do you think?
@@nonplayablenpccharacter No? Then what do you call someone who watches you torture yourself for 3 million years with the reasoning "Well, you feel you deserve it and I'm going to watch for as long as you feel that way" when "deserving" is *a myth?* I see no difference between Yahweh and Lucifer in this case. EDIT: By that, I mean this is a Lucifer who was free to leave.
Easily one of the most entertaining shows to watch and the character development is A1, every season gets better and better and this is my favorite Lucifer portrayal including supernatural
To answer the question lucifer is in the dc multiverse, they confirmed this in the crisis on infinite earth crossovers and also all the questions you asked will be answered, which is not common for every show
Also, Jeremy Davies, who played the superman in Elseworlds, also played a key character in Lost, Saving Private Ryan, he played in Hannibal and American Gods, also provided the voice and motion capture for Baldur. in newest God of War videogame series.
So excited S5 is coming out soon and now you guys are doing reactions! One of my favourite shows and this makes it even better! :) I originally didn't watch this show because its a procedural, and I'm not keen on those, not to mention they're overused. A friend convinced me to watch it, and I binged all four seasons, twice, in about a week. Lol. (Thats probably an exaggeration, but I actually can't remember.) It gets better in later seasons.
"Lucifer" is Latin in fact, meaning "light bringer" (it's the Latin word they picked when translating from the Biblical Hebrew). It's another name for Venus, also known as the "morning star". (fun fact: in the Bible it doesn't refer to Satan/the Devil or even a fallen angel but to a prideful king of Babylon)
I can't wait till they get to the point of the show when it lays out its rules for its hell and how that system works. It's the most unique way I've ever seen it done, and the most interesting and fun. It explores the types of questions they're asking as well, and that's why it's one of my absolute favorites.
@@ras_alhim everything's part of the multiverse. Doom patrol, titans, swamp thing. Prior to Crisis black lightning was very specifically not in the arrowverse
That is not necessarily true. It could be the whole creator who isn't really creating but subconsciously peer into supergirl's Universe and producing what he has seen with his universe supergirl who is an actress.
i think how the time stop power works , is it slows time down enough so that people CAN NOT notice them , so when there looking right at them its super slow , if its people driving at 85+m/hr then it can be faster
Guys to get most of the answers to your questions will take at least 3/4 seasons. But, if you want a really good episode watch Season 3, Episode 7's "Off the Record." That's a great episode to help understand more about hell and how it works.
i think it is connected to the dc universe since we saw him on crisis. he even mentioned that he owed constantine because he helped him with maze. meaning that he was in the dc universe from before the crisis even.
One theme you'll see throughout the series is that Lucifer never lies to anyone except himself. The "except himself" is a BIG part of his character development over the seasons.
funnily enough in this episode i spotted a "kinda lie", he said something like "i chose who gets punished in hell" , however as we later learn thats not really true, people are creating their own hell, its their own regrets that send them there, not really their deeds as cain pointed out he would go to heaven as he was free of regrets (lucifer corrected him on that, but thats a different story)
mind you i don't think that was intendet on the writers part, its basically a throwaway line in one of the first episodes of the series so it not having canon effects in season 3 is logical, still, technically he lied there
@@deathking1019 after rewatching the exchange went something like (was cut a bit awkwardly in the video here, didn't get the exact words of chloe) chloe:"you don't get to decide who gets punished and how" followed by lucifer saying:"thats exactly what i do.", but if they left hell (or never got send there) he wouldn't punish them, he only punishes those that got send to his domain, therefore he is not the one deciding who gets punished but only how. if you run a prison and a judge sends someone there the judge decided they need punishment, you are just enforcing it. mind you its such a minor detail, pretty sure when this line was written no one was thinking of how hell would be described to function 2 seasons later and in this case i would call that fair, as it truly is just a funny throwaway line that no normal person will ever remember years later.
@@alandelain5757 that wasn't a lie. he himself chooses the punishment of those who he personally punishes
@@houseofaction again though, chloe said he does not decide who gets to decide who gets punished and how, he said he does, that however is not true.
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he gets to decide HOW people get punished, yes, however he does not decide WHO gets punished. unless being in hell but not tormented is an option, which does not seem to be the case as even he himself was tortured when he was "just visiting" that means he does NOT decide who gets punished. People send to hell get punished, but he does not send them there, they themselves do by having regrets, or at the very least they themselves are what finally keeps them from leaving.
Yes he never lies but likes to mess, to bluff, loopholes as well
Trixie's actress is one of the best child actresses I've ever seen.
The character is loveable, the girl does a great job, and I'm hoping she has a bright future.
Same! I adore her and she has great range as an actress. Rooting for her all the way as well.❤
She got a contract with Disney. After the show was 'cancelled' the 1st time she had less screen time but still was allowed to do the show.
@@Shello58 That's cool tbh. I hope she goes the same route as Selina Gomez, Zendaya and Jena Ortega and can use it as a platform to get into the industry.
Trixie is one of the few times you watch a show and you want more of the child on screen.
I think even Melanie would love Trixie as well.
YES!!!!!
Trixie is adorable and is Lucifer's spirit animal lol
Yeah she's pretty great for a child actor
That and Stranger Things
I know right I'm only 7 episodes in and I fall in love with her every time she's on screen (especially whenever she interacts with Lucifer) I don't know who this kid is that plays her but big props she kills the role and I genuinely that if she sticks with acting into her adult years that she wins a Oscar one day (provided she continues to grow as a actress of course because she ain't on the level yet sorry to say.)
"There is not a Superman running around" ohhh buddy, just wait LOL
I thought you were being literal then and was about to write a meaty paragraph about how he never shows up but then I figured out you were talking about the actor 😂🤣😂
Eric will turn red
Ikr he's such a fan of him
@@darkassassinkantafly but there is technically Lucifer is apart of the Dc universe or at least the Arrowverse (CW shows) which contain shows like the flash, arrow, super-girl, legends of tomorrow, titans, Doom patrol, Swampthing etc etc.
took me a sec and then I was like OH YEAH! 😂😂😂
NO SPOILERS: Season 1 starts a little rough, but within the next episode or two things get really interesting and the rest of the season is REALLY good. The rest of the show is about 95% great, 5% dragging.
And season 3 contains that 5% of dragging
Season 3 suffers from being too long if they kept the same amount of episodes from season 2 we would be fine thankfully netflix fixed that
Well I just started watching this show since sunday and now I'm on the third season on episode 12 I can say that It did really entertain me I didn't find it rough the Pilot was really promising and I continued the filler episodes are really good!
Tony Stark when you get to the end of season 3 you will probably be bored of the filler trust me but if not fair play but season 4 is really good at just keeping it plot oriented rather than filler
@@swifttodeath To be fair you're binging it which makes the season 3 issue not seem so bad. For those who followed the show week to week season 3 feels like it ran just way too long. With that said i still enjoyed it but I totally understand how people could feel that way.
"Someone's projecting I think" the entire show in a nutshell
Facts
For real though xD
I love how you said the girl playing Chloe's daughter (Trixie) is good, if you already think that you will love her even more as the series goes on.
Put yourself into the position of Chloe in the show. Would you SERIOUSLY believe someone was the ACTUAL Devil??? Be realistic, you would rationalize everything odd that you'd see around him, because if he IS the Devil, then not only he is real, but God is real and everything that entails. That screws with your head. Proof of the divine is not something people are likely to ever be able to handle well, if at all.
Nah it’s just the writing is dumb
It made sense for maybe 3 episodes but after seeing even half the things she saw I would’ve believed it
What is "divine" and what is "not divine"? God is "divine" but the creations that follow His mega-secret mega-complex "divine" plan *to the letter* _(because)_ aren't? Because God said so so that's how it is _because?_
Religion is made of stoopid.
@@ashin9160 Then you're gullible as hell, pun intended. You must get rolled into all sorts of scams.
@@terminatorw1222 Na, you're just really gullible. Everything she's seen is easily explainable by reality. You probably believe every magician you've ever seen was a real, genuine D&D wizard.
“Why are you booing me? I’m right!”
Trixie really is one of my favorite parts of this show
"its not a secret if im telling you the answer!" XD
You guys are in for a treat, In my opinion Lucifer is like one of the very few amount of shows that doesn't really have a bad season. They just get better and better. What's even more good is that at this point just before Season 5, all questions you guys just asked get answered at one point or another.
Masso 2010 Well, season 3 is pretty mediocre but i agree about the rest
@@rodrigomoreira1901 It's not mediocre, in fact is one with a good story... but it's true it has too much filling...
Yeah, I liked Cain, and as always enjoyed the way it was written, but 26 episodes was way too much for that season
YESSSSS!!!!
7:00 Eric's so cute thinking the Devil only works on women
I remember that one episode where Chloe was trying to defend Lucifer and it was revealed he was bi
Oh yes...thats because in the "apple scene" you see a woman and a beautiful man sleeping in Lucifer bed 🙄 guys, he is the devil, that means pleasure without borders or rules. ..
@@griesi31 Agree, people keep applying human terms to him...he just would not get that.
Chloe: well at least we know you didnt sleep with him
Lucifer: Actually....Oh poor Rashid.
Chloe: wow....really???
chloe the homophobe
"I'm so good at flipping men, they call me The Skillet" my favourite Lucifer quote lmao
This show reminds of why I liked Bones. The actual crime plots are just meh but it's the characters and their interactions that make the show worth viewing. As some have said, the first season is a bit rough but it gets better. I think season 4 is probably the best season thus far.
i think that's actually the point of this whole crime solving thing
it's a way to develop lucifer's character and seeing how it turned out in the end, it worked pretty well in my opinion
Season 2 was pretty great but so was season 4. I’m not sure which I’d say was better.
I have a love/hate relationship with these shows. The story and the characters are what we want but then they are watered down with the cop show procedural aspect. I will often praise shows that are willing to forgo the cop show to focus on the story (and therefore the characters).
@@scalpingsnake
Exactly
That's why I love lucifer
There is actually a purpose of these cases they solve
And then starting from season 3 the show starts going to its true essence
Which is mythological perspective
After it had 2 seasons to really develop the characters
scalpingsnake I care more for the characters vs the buddy cop aspect of it. Yet i recognize that without the cop aspect we would be lacking what actually brought chloe and Lucifer together.
Again, in a world without superpowers or any overtly supernatural elements, I'm pretty sure it would take a lot for people to belive you're the literal Devil, especially if you limit your powers to be more minor.
That's why evil can survive in real life too, satans presence on earth aka "lucifer" , that's the metaphor. People don't believe in evil until its made completely obvious and is spelled out for them.
I give it three episodes before Eric is writing Tom Ellis fanfic..
he started on day 1 "wow im smitten by him"
Just finished binging the show on Friday
Season 1: good
Season 2: really good
Season 3: a mess
Season 4: amazing, by far the best season!
Emily Steckler Season 3 has few really good episodes.
predetor911 yeah it does, but for the most part it was definitely the worst season!
Nah your mad season 3 and 4 were the best seasons
@@mrmitch7508 Season 3 would be much much better if it were shorter
Season 3 was purposefully dragged out most likely against the directors/writers wishes
Season 5 teaser is out btw.
I have a game for you guys: get a shot every time Lucifer says DETECTIVE!!! 😂👌🏻❤️
Ooh...I love that game😍🤣
Me and my sister played that for a 1 season binge and we got nice and toasted🤣🤣🥃🥃🥃🥃
I want them to meet Ella! The best girl.
Some of them know her from Dexter as well.
Ella is my spirit animal 🥰
@@Dinkdownn Saaame.
Aimee Garcia also appeared on Supernatural 🙈
cp I forgot about that episode
I forgot who Ella was, who was she in dexter?
Good episode imo.
The case itself is fine but the interactions between Chloe & Lucifer elevate it , I like how it gives a bit more insight into Chloe’s past as well since she is a rather guarded person right now.
Also I buy she wouldn’t believe that Lucifer is the LITERAL devil , she doesn’t believe in the supernatural and this world doesn’t have any overt supernatural things happening in it . Also , she’s a detective and would need hard proof.
Lucifer this whole show: DETECTIVE
The Lucifer we saw in Crisis crossover was 5 years before the series Lucifer.
Meaning Chloe was probably pregnant with Trixie at that time, right?
In season one Chloe says he didn’t exist five years ago so that means that was when he had only just left hell
I HAVE WAITED A WEEK FOR THIS
I just finished the show tonight and IT IS SO GOOD OH MY GOD. I’m so hyped to watch the Blind Wave crew get into this show
I'm stoked that you guys are finally watching Lucifer. Knowing what is coming and listening to your theories is lots of fun. Eric, you have a very good grasp on all of these shows, it makes me think you work in the industry.
I can't wait for you to meet some of the other characters that will show up in this series.
There may not be super heroes like the flash, or superman but you will not be starved for non-human entertainment or feats of wonder and dread.
Also if you like Trixie now, just wait for her character development.
I think you will also enjoy Mazakine's character arch.
So much to look forward to with your reactions, I wish I was late to the game and could power watch your reactions.
I did that with the flash. I feel like I kind of know you fellas. Your theorizing is the best part because sometimes you guys are spot effing on.
Looking forward to the next episode. Thanks for sharing.
Alice from upstate NY.
Please continue this series! I didn't think i'd like Lucifer at first but it soon grew on me. You'll enjoy this one, the depth it brings is incredible! It's very introspective
Yeah we need more specially now cuz season 5 drops soon
I cant wait to see their reactions to the rest of the episodes
_"Is punishing the guilty justice? Or is it revenge?"_
Justice is not about punishment. Justice is about trying for equality that is not absurd. Everyone on the planet removing their eyes and genitals because blind people and eunuchs exist would be absurd equality.
Punishing the "guilty" is about practicality (teaching them a lesson) or about revenge (they've violated your boundaries so you reciprocate to "nullify" the violation, "even the score").
Justice is revenge, the difference is just semantics. A murderer being executed or slapped on the wrist is still the same, a punishment is being given to him. The reason is because he killed someone. If the punishment is given by a dispassionate executioner or the victim's angry spouse... the result is the same. Justice and revenge are the same, we invent distinctions to make justice seem better and revenge seem worse... when ultimately they are the same.
@@Fordo007 "Murder" is a myth.
And I just explained the difference between justice and revenge; justice is the pursuit of an equality that is not absurd. Revenge is not.
Revenge is basically retaliation; you have moved against me/us to such an extent that I'm/we're now going to move against you as much or far worse until I/we *feel* satisfied (even if others deem it absurd) or something interferes.
Punishment can be about teaching a lesson or about revenge.
I'll illustrate:
*Police officer:* _"This is your third time caught drinking and driving? That's it. It's revenge time!"_
*Drunk driver:* _"Huh? What, no one got hurAAGH!"_ (gets beaten to death)
*Police officer:* _"That'll teach him to drink and drive."_
Is that punishment? Yes. Revenge? No. Justice? Definitely no. Teaching a lesson? Only in the sense that other people will have views about the event.
@@Fordo007 While you are basically right, it's a bit more nuanced. The "justice system" is simply organized revenge on a larger social level. This means the justice/revenge is usually less personal and more consistent.
However, It's also worth considering that the definition of justice may be poorly explained by using any "justice system" as an example. If it's a subjective definition or even if true justice does not exist in any practical sense, I still think it's useful to keep the concepts separate. That's the purpose of semantics.
@@nemonomen3340 Not really, the justice system is about social equality, not social revenge. Even the death penalty is more about sending a message than society "getting the satisfaction of revenge".
Justice does exist in the practical sense; it is the *pursuit* of an equality that is not absurd. It exists just like fishing and reading and jumping and philosophy and bodybuilding exist.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps You're absolutely right that the death sentence is about "sending a message" but when an individual gets their "satisfaction of revenge" it is also about sending a message. That might not be the _conscious_ goal of the individual, but that is why vengeful attitudes naturally evolved.
You don't steal from the guy who broke the last thief's kneecaps just like you don't steal in an area that has an effective justice system.
It's interesting that you chose here to define justice as "the _pursuit_ of an equality that is not absurd" rather than simply "equality that is not absurd." The difference is vital and under the former definition, I would agree it exists practically. I, however, prefer the latter definition as it is how the word is generally used.
They're gonna LOVE a new cast member in season 3
But who DOESN'T love that person? :D
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IceMetalPunk I honestly hate that character. Only main character in Lucifer I could never stand.
@@octaviablackthorn9 O_O Have you no heart, or just no soul?
re-watching this waiting for episode 3 to come out for them. So hope they continue this show.
Lucifer is one of the best shows I’ve seen in a long time. Keep with it 🖤🔥
Guy in the nuthouse at the end was not the preacher in the street, it was Jimmy from episode 1, the guy that Lucifer revealed his face to after he shot Chloe.
And I THINK it was you guys that commented that you were wondering what happened to Jimmy in your episode 1 review? If that was not you, my apologies.
WOW i just realized that you couldn't haved notice it !
Back when it first aired, i was confused on how this dude was, because they recast the role of Trixies dad after the Pilot, i went back to last episode and yes, they put the new actor in instead.
The szene at the school is a perfect example, he is either rotoscoped in the foreground or alone on screen xD
Yeah, i was like wait what!? I thought there was a different actor
The first half of the season is more abt setting the tone & characters, but it really kicks in second half. You’ll get more of the anthology then. This is a great show, and Tom Ellis does an amazing job.
Eric’s kink is paparazzi fights. Huh. The more you know.
Lucifer is the best show ever
Thank you guys so much for reacting to this. You made my year 100% more better.
not sure about the superhero thing on Lucifer's earth but we do know from the crisis scene that he has met Constantine before
I like to believe they met in Hell
in the comics he exist outside the multiverse
Lucifer in the cameo: JHONNY
I was so friking happy and hyped when they showed the Lux on the Crisis...
I'm so happy you guys are watching this show!!! It just gets better and better as the episodes go on :)
Looking foward to your reaction to season 5 already! Please don't drop Lucifer! There will be episodes where you'll want to but don't please!
Different people lead with different beliefs. Like emotion, rationality, science, faith.
In this world I would say that seeing Lucifer's 'demon' face is enough to make anyone believe him, but it also terrifies the person seeing it and makes them go crazy.
Tom Ellis so good playing Lucifer 😈❤❤❤
In the later seasons they explore the mechanics of Hell and punishment therein. They approach it in an interesting way and one I haven't seen in other media, though it could certainly be out there.
As for, "When will Chloe finally believe him?" Well, it is pretty unbelievable to be fair. Even for people of faith, they usually imagine god and angels and demons in another plane of existence like heaven or hell. Accepting that not only is all that real but it continues to interact with the human world and plane just, whenever they feel like it, is a paradigm shifting thought. Plus, being in LA they're surrounded by performers and 'movie magic' and such, which is far easier to accept than being acquaintances with literally Lucifer.
aaaaanybody else feel like its been 100 days since the first lucifer reaction? been waitin forrrrever for wednesday to come back around lol
You guys need to react to The Mentalist,its a crime show with one of the best main characters and one of the best serial killers on tv.
That show is so good. and I appreciate that they do seem to focus a lot on the crime and detective aspect of it as well as the characters, which are definitely entertaining as well.
13:27 yeah it was on the show flash I believe where there’s a multiverse and they invited a lot of iconic tv shows characters, if I recall there was also Clark from Smallville that was cool
Lucifer is loosely based off the DC comics character of the same name in Sandman comics/graphic novel. So because of that is why he appeared in Crisis as a little Easter egg referencing the fact they got their inspiration from DC’s Lucifer. However the Crisis cameo takes place during the 5 years he was here on earth before the pilot of the show which is interesting cause no one ever references crisis (obviously cause it didn’t happen yet in real time) but it’s still an intriguing way to put him in the DC timeline
THANK you. I was starting to think I was the only person who knew Lucifer primarily from Sandman.
i love that you guys are reacting to this!
Spoiler Alert: This Lucifer makes a brief cameo in the CW ArrowVerse during the Crisis crossover.
I'm surprised they haven't realized that seeing they've already reacted to the crossover before they did this
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They mention this during the reaction
@@Knowledgesquad1 I wrote this before I reached that part.
Can't wait for you guys yo react to the whole series
Tom Ellis who plays lucifer also played Thomas Milligan in the Doctor Who story Last of the Time Lords. Ellis is best known for his role as Gary in the BBC sitcom Miranda, opposite Miranda Hart, and has also appeared in series such as EastEnders, Merlin and Lucifer.16 Jun 2020
Just found your channel because of the Lucifer reactions ! Please continue to keep reacting it only gets better from now on 👏👏 New sub here ❤️
All this time I was trying to think of what Lucifer looks like.. and you got it spot on lmao, he resembles a titan 😅
Keep the season going! Love the reviews!
Yessir love the lucifer reactions more please and stay safe
I love this show so much!! Can’t wait for you to get into later episodes and characters!
Omg.. I watched your reaction on the 1st ep. so many times.. Love your reactions
Banafsha Tariq same here I can’t wait till they get to season 4.
Seasons 1, 2 and 3 were produced by fox, after that it was bought by netflix, soo it's not a DC/Warner production
season 5 comes out this fall and fun fact, this show is base on the dc comics version of Lucifer(nvm they figured that out)
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Interesting theology discussion. As a pastor, I love this show and it’s portrayal and interpretation of hell
Love the vids guys been watching for a few years i love the lucifer reactions
Hope you guys keep watching it! It just gets better! 😈
There's some fascinating theological and philosophical questions brought up by watching this show, but for a lot of the continuity struggles within the writing you just have to "go with it." Because the main thing about this show is that it's fun (with occasional darkness that's also terrific). Tom Ellis is what makes this show so alluring because he just has so much fun with the character, but trust me, the other characters get more and more interesting as well. I hope you like it!
1:24 yes, Lucifer has even had a small small cameo in another show, might have been the flash, Lucifer is in the Arrow Verse
I love this series. Its hilarious!
Always nice to see baldur
Ooo my my.... I love being the center of mortal attention.
Thank you reactors.
The thing that I realized on the rewatch is that Lucifer kicked the guy in the nuts while time was slowed down, so from the guy's perspective he got kicked in the nuts at superspeed, which is... ouch to say the least
Its so fun that you react to this series
on the topic of how he relates to the greater DC multiverse...in the comics, Lucifer shaped the multiverse, and later settled on one Earth (presumably Earth 0) and opened Lux. in the show, they're in the Arrow multiverse, in their own universe, separate from the other shows.
and about"infinite punishment"...in both the comics and show, it's explained that people only go to Hell because they feel they deserve to, and they stay there as long as they feel they deserve it. very few have ever left.
So, since "deserving" is a myth, God and Lucifer are sadists.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps no. in both the comics and the show, Lucifer is the hero, fighting against his father's tyrannical rule, and at least in the comics, Yahweh isn't depicted as a sadist, but as an out of touch father who doesn't get it, and tries to do what's best for everyone, but doesn't know what that is. he considers undoing everything, do that nothing ever existed, at one point, to erase suffering, but Elaine talks him out of it, and he steps down as God so she can take his place.
@@nonplayablenpccharacter It doesn't really matter. You created Hell or you are the warden of Hell, either way, since "deserving" is a myth, you are having people tortured for "feeling they deserve to be" for "as long as they feel they deserve it" for what amounts to your personal satisfaction. And since "very few have ever left" and we're on a planet which has seen 3.4 million years of Stone Age and 6,000 years of post-Stone Age, for how long have the majority of "inmates" been there now, do you think?
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps no, it does matter. you can call Yahweh sadistic, kind of, but there's literally no reason to say that about Lucifer
@@nonplayablenpccharacter No? Then what do you call someone who watches you torture yourself for 3 million years with the reasoning "Well, you feel you deserve it and I'm going to watch for as long as you feel that way" when "deserving" is *a myth?*
I see no difference between Yahweh and Lucifer in this case. EDIT: By that, I mean this is a Lucifer who was free to leave.
Thanks for the reaction!
He also played Tom Milligan, the fiance of Martha, in Doctor Who
Easily one of the most entertaining shows to watch and the character development is A1, every season gets better and better and this is my favorite Lucifer portrayal including supernatural
To answer the question lucifer is in the dc multiverse, they confirmed this in the crisis on infinite earth crossovers and also all the questions you asked will be answered, which is not common for every show
Also, Jeremy Davies, who played the superman in Elseworlds, also played a key character in Lost, Saving Private Ryan, he played in Hannibal and American Gods, also provided the voice and motion capture for Baldur. in newest God of War videogame series.
I thought I am the only one shaking my head at the intro song 😂😂
'a smoked thing of pot' is my new favorite unit of measurement for smoking lol
So excited S5 is coming out soon and now you guys are doing reactions! One of my favourite shows and this makes it even better! :)
I originally didn't watch this show because its a procedural, and I'm not keen on those, not to mention they're overused. A friend convinced me to watch it, and I binged all four seasons, twice, in about a week. Lol. (Thats probably an exaggeration, but I actually can't remember.) It gets better in later seasons.
By the way, the name "Lucifer" is Hebrew for Morning star.
"Lucifer" is Latin in fact, meaning "light bringer" (it's the Latin word they picked when translating from the Biblical Hebrew). It's another name for Venus, also known as the "morning star".
(fun fact: in the Bible it doesn't refer to Satan/the Devil or even a fallen angel but to a prideful king of Babylon)
This series only gets better
I can't wait till they get to the point of the show when it lays out its rules for its hell and how that system works. It's the most unique way I've ever seen it done, and the most interesting and fun. It explores the types of questions they're asking as well, and that's why it's one of my absolute favorites.
OMG! Just recognized "Nick Hofmeister as Jeremy Davies - the "Stranger" in God of War.
Not exactly a spoiler, but the best proof this isn't part of the arrowverse is eventually you'll see billboards advertising Supergirl on the CW
It's in the multiverse on Earth 666
@@ras_alhim everything's part of the multiverse. Doom patrol, titans, swamp thing. Prior to Crisis black lightning was very specifically not in the arrowverse
That is not necessarily true. It could be the whole creator who isn't really creating but subconsciously peer into supergirl's Universe and producing what he has seen with his universe supergirl who is an actress.
If you didn't catch it the guy Lucifer was questioning at the start played the Doctor with the book in the Elseworlds crossover
9:15 Tell me this guy doesn't look like a young Cuba Gooding Jr
The first and second seasons of lucifer was film in Vancouver Canada.
i think how the time stop power works , is it slows time down enough so that people CAN NOT notice them , so when there looking right at them its super slow , if its people driving at 85+m/hr then it can be faster
This show is a good way to kill time
I'm here waiting for you to get to season 4. The best one in my opinion.
Guys to get most of the answers to your questions will take at least 3/4 seasons. But, if you want a really good episode watch Season 3, Episode 7's "Off the Record." That's a great episode to help understand more about hell and how it works.
What an idiot lol
when would u continue lucifer?
i really like ur reaction to the show
the guy that gets arrested at the start is the professor that unleashes the monitor in the crissis
People not knowing that Superman is Clark Kent because he takes his glasses off is more crazy then believing someone is the actual devil
Hope you guys watch all of the seasons you'll love them
He was also in two episodes of doctor who.
yes and our Doctor Jones really fell for him ;P
i think it is connected to the dc universe since we saw him on crisis. he even mentioned that he owed constantine because he helped him with maze. meaning that he was in the dc universe from before the crisis even.
Lucifer is not part of the Main DC Universe continuity, but Constantine establishes that he's on Earth 666
There's no secret if I'm telling you the answer. 🤣
I only ever watched one season of this show, after this series of reactions is done I'll have to catch up.
I live in LA & Calvin is absolutely right: “it is Hell”