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Aaron Schatz's Controversial NFL MVP Vote: Why He Chose Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2024
- On VSiN's "A Numbers Game," Aaron Schatz, FTN Sports & creator of DVOA, shares insights into his controversial MVP vote, sparking heated debates. Unveil the reasoning behind his choice to pick Josh Allen and Dak Prescott over Lamar Jackson and the aftermath it caused in the sports community.
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Josh Allen is literally a one man offense. Outside of that cowboys game, he was the OFFENSE of that bills team.
So voting for someone who had 50tds is a problem
2023
Allen
#1 total tds
#1 total yds
#4 pass yds
#5 pass tds
#1 rush tds (NFL record)
Most games 1 pass 1 rush td (NFL record)
Only QB over 40+ tds
League high 80+ percent of his teams tds
League best 5-1 vs playoff teams
Lamar
#15 pass yds
#11 pass tds
Not top 5 in total yds or total tds
Only 5 rush tds
Under 4k passing
Under 30 total tds
6 games under 200 yds
I mean, it would seem the voters are racist vs white players (Watt snubbed)
Look to last year - Fields goes 3-12 with 2,200 yds passing and got mvp vote.
Biggest one for me when talking about MVP. Allen = 86% of his teams scoring. Lamar was 52%. Nobody was even close to where Josh was.
@@STEALTTH7that was actually an NFL all-time record Allen got with 86% of his teams scoring production carrying them there. If you switched their names & gave Lamar Allens stats media would've marketed it as one of the all-time greatest performances in history.
He was also #1 for game winning drives
If you watched the games the ravens were up by double digits in every game last year. He wasn’t throwing the ball because they were dominating
@slickjustgotpaid9865
He hasn't thrown the ball much for 6 years lol. I believe he has like 5 career games over 300 yds. Regardless, mvp shouldn't go to a guy with 3,000+ pass yds and under 30 total tds.
Whether your a person that thinks Allen deserved that vote or not, I think the larger point of discussion is that Lamar almost won unanimously in the first place.
The thought that it was almost unanimous in this year with some of the top performances when you think of the top guys id argue is even more infuriating
Yea Lamar had a very pedestrian year statistically. 3600 yards, 24 tds. Nothing screams unanimous
"The thought that it was almost unanimous in this year with some of the top performances when you think of the top guys id argue is even more infuriating"
Maybe try English next time? Also, to proclaim that there were "some of the top performances" is absurd. This is the weakest MVP winner season in decades. (Other than Adrian Peterson winning because anyone that isn't an ignorant CASUAL knows that no RB should even be considered for the top 10)
@@cj7139 Take your own advice, and better yet take it up a notch and work on your reading comprehension. Funny that you are so triggered. Its a comment not a Doctoral program dissertation.
Considering my general point is in relation to the current year's MVP Candidates (which one could surmise from me referring to "this year"), what would make you think that I was referring to all-time?? Your ramblings about Weak MVP Class and Adrian Peterson, etc is unrelated and incoherent and you have the nerve to try to attack my logic lol!
@@Invader135 I see that you got your insecure feelings hurt, yet-felt compelled to Edit your garbage comment to be semi-grammar conscience. Well done, princess!
@@cj7139 lol, that comment was edited way before your intial comment, as I added to it. If i truly cared like you claim I would had corrected the grammatical errors.
Not sure why the topic is me and not the controversial MVP vote, but whatever, if it helps ease your projecting insecurities im fine with that!
Have a good day!
Who has better credentials? the answer is nobody. Glad this guy was objective and picked the right MVP.
Allen:
86% of his teams total scores. Next closest was 68%. Lamar was 52%.
Total TD - 1st
Total Yards - 1st
QBR - 3rd (even with TO factored in)....still 5% higher than Lamar.
That alone should have sealed it.
Not enough?
Passing TD - 5th
Rushing TD - 1st (NFL record)
Passing yards - 4th
QB rushing - 4th
Success rate - 51.4% (2nd)
EPA/Play- .23 (2nd)
Total EPA - 136.1 (2nd)
Pass EPA - 86.6 (4th)
Rushing EPA - 49.5 (1st)
Sack % - 4% (1st)
Fantasty football (production) #1
Closes out the season with 5 straight wins, and steals the division and 2 seed. All with half of the defense being injured and having a new offensive coordinator.
Yep! And a coach who cost him 3 games this year after he gave him the lead. Allen was the obvious MVP
Allen had much better stats than Jackson and Jackson played on a team with 7 pro bowlers. To claim Jackson is more valuable than Josh Allen is just factually incorrect on pretty much every level. The Ravens were playoff contenders last year without Jackson and Jacksons backup made the freaking pro bowl, because the Ravens are a stacked team. The Bills would struggle to win 4 games without Allen who is responsible for over 80% of the bills TDs. It's a popularity contest, white males are not very popular in today's society so everybody hates on Allen. But if you just base it on stats and facts, Allen was the MVP this year. And I love Jackson, he's a top tier dual threat QB and a nice guy, but when absolutely horseshit decisions like this are made by the sheeple it really pissed me off. I could have seen CMC, Purdy or Prescott winning it, or even Hill, because their stats were comparable to Allens, but not Jackson, his stats this season were not in the great category.
Lamar was not the MVP, because he wasn’t the best quarterback or running back, but JA was the best running quarterback in the league period. The guy voted not because of the color of the skin but in spite of it, I think people vote for Lamar because of the color of his skin not because he really was the best player in the league.
Bingo. Only reason. The NFL is desperately trying to adhere to the narrative.
I am a fan of Lamar and am happy he is proving the haters wrong, but he was not the mvp.
Most of the league is his skin color tho they literally could’ve picked anyone else truth is nobody expected the ravens to be as good as they were last season
How is it controversial LOL , If you were picking a quarterback to get you in the endzone in a life or death situation 100 % you would want Josh Allen !
No I wouldn’t , he’d turn it over , give me Lamar
Lamar literally threw an end zone interception in a game when they needed one touchdown in the last game he played.
@@bakugosrage8976the same play with clear uncalled pi?
@@keymold4405 PI that didn't impact the play and they had no business calling. It was one of the worst decisions by any QB all season.
@@bakugosrage8976 Josh Allen clearly missed a wide open player in the end zone to win the game against the Chiefs
Josh Allen being 5th is wild ! With the numbers he put up
They be hating on that man
Did he take the team to the top record in the AFC?
@@flex2timeznah just played the best in the league
@@455silverwater so only 1 stat matters huh
interceptions are the most important stat for a QB@@billsmafia0566
JA has the stats and the TDs to be MVP and should have won it.
Turnovers play a role and he simply didn’t have the individual impact that Lamar did this year. Dak had a much better year statistically but stats aren’t everything. Dak isn’t an MVP and based on this year Allen wasn’t either.
He also had the interceptions and losses so much so that they fired coaches and started giving the ball to the RB
You take Lamar off the ravens and they are still winning 9+ games, you take Josh of the bills and the bills are winning 4.
How can you say that with a straight face when they literally tanked without Lamar when he was injured. They go from have the #1 seed to barely making it as a wildcard.
So your telling me without Lamar the ravens win 9+ games and get into a wildcard?
Agreed.@@rahsaanmckell-jeffers5647
Exactly Ravens will be in the wildcard Bills will pick Top 5 in the draft
@kevinadriano815 I think you misunderstand, they only made it to the playoffs because before injury Lamar had them leading the race for the #1 seed. After injury they won 1 or 2 games.
You smoking crack huh?
Of course JA is mvp the MF had 50 tds ! Lamar not remotely close to Allen in scoring
44 to 29
Yea but he pads out scoring tds from 2 yards . Clearly he's a ball hog and doesn't give it the running back any tds
@@darrenlucas7362 maybe because he is better than his backs in short yardage 😂
@@Deebo410 Allen has 44 total tds to Lamars 29 total. Not even close. And Allen had more total yards, Lamar should not have been mvp. What a joke
@@Deebo410 josh has barely any weapons except diggs
Josh Allen blew Lamar away in the stats category for 2023
Josh Allen led the league in total yards and touchdowns. That’s enough right there.
Allen’s the most prolific scorer in NFL history,* and should have a couple MVPs to his name ALREADY.
The hate on this dude is real 💯.
*Only player in NFL history to score 40+ TDs 4 years IN A ROW.
Its infuriating. To think that he doesn't have an MVP is insane. He's even better than his insane stats for the amount of clutch and improbable plays he makes. Nobody has a bigger highlight reel and more production than Josh does over the past 4 years. Should have been MVP in 2020/2021 and this season. Sucks.
2020 4,977 yards / 45TD
2021 5,180 Yards / 42TD
2022 5,045 yards / 42TD
2023 4,830 Yards / 44TD
#1 productive player in fantasy in 3/4 years and was 2nd in the other season.
He has by far an away been the most productive player in the game.
@@STEALTTH7 Certainly. You put the nail in the coffin.
He did not deserve a unanimous MVP
No he didn't when josh allen and dax prescott had better stats. They really making this about race. Calling lamar the best player in football really 🤣😂😁😄
You're right... he deserved 2 unanimous MVPs‼ Aaron Schatz out here single handedly revising history. In fact he had Lamar 3rd 'cause he wasn't "stat padding."
[OpstaSTATS] The Ravens have 7 wins by 14+ points this season. All of those opponents are currently above .500 (Hou, Cle, Det, Sea, Cin, Jax, SF
Remind they "beat the brakes" off Mia 56-9, where Lamar had a (Jackson 5). That makes 8 wins over teams by 14+ points to finish the season above .500. Furthermore all playoff teams but Sea & Cin.
They went 6-0 during the supposed gauntlet at the end of the season where Lamar played his best ball.
He outplayed the other 3 MVP candidates (Brock, CMC, Tua, Hill) in head-to-head games where Josh & Dax wasn't even an afterthought. They finished the season with the *BEST* record of 13-4 in the league sitting out the starters wk 18 vs Pit in loss.
The Ravens set an NFL record for most wins against teams that finished with a winning record (10), breaking Tennessee's record of 8 from '21.
10 of BAL's 13 wins came against teams over .500
Browns Bengals 2x Rams Seahawks Lions Jaguars 49ers Dolphins Texans
With their entire division finishing with 0 losing record teams, they played only 3 teams period below .500
Lamar was the catalyst in all these wins per usual. Didn't have to pad his stats in so many *BLOWOUTS* 'long story short.' So what do you mean? #WATCHLamarsGames #LamarSNUBBEDFromOnly2TimeUnanimousMVP #BookStillUnfinished #MoreAccoladesToCome #1stBallotHOFer
@@antoniowilliams9440 last I checked, now I'm not sure about this, but there are more than just 1 player on a football field. I'm sorry but having 29 tds in 16 games does NOT scream he's the reason they won xD. Like he was nowhere near the best player in the league. Award should have gone to Dak/CMC/Purdy/Josh all above Lamar. Like it's terrible.
I watched every snap of the Ravens games. And, the numbers belies Lamar's impact as a dominant player. He leads them in rushing every season. The Ravens were blowin' the doors off all the top teams in the NFL. They beat 10 teams above .500 to end the season by 14+ points. It's *NOT* like the NFL's in favor of Lamar. STOP IT‼ It's a reason why all the NFL owners colluded against 'em. @@nicoli3427
@@antoniowilliams9440glad you feel that way. Your roster is amazing. Jackson is the weak spot on your roster. He’s mid pack in everything except rushing.
Allen was the obvious MVP. Lead the league in yards and touchdowns with only one true receiving threat, who was the rookie tight end, since diggs lost a step and Knox, Cook, and Davis can't catch worth a damn, with one of the harder schedules
2nd Lowest turnover worthy play rate of playoff QBs.
His Receivers got less separation than anyone in the league according to PFF. #1 player accordjng to PFT.
When accounting for drops, he had the best EPA in the league.
And claimed the second 2 seed despite having to play against his own head coach, who cost him games after he gave the team the lead with 2 min or less.
Lamar wasn't even top 10 in some QB categories. Not even close to being the best at his own position, much less the league.
We all know why he was selected.
I would argue Allen has been more valuable to the Bills than Jackson was to the Ravens this season.
Lamar only had 29 TDs this year that less than 2 per game.
Allen had 44.
When Lamar doesn't score a TD, the ravens are 2-1 (winning record)
When Lamar only scores 1 TD, the ravens are 4-1 (winning record)
Meanwhile Allen has scored a TD in every game.
He only has 1 game with a single TD and the Bills lost.
Long story short, the ravens don't need Lamar Jackson to be that good to win games. The Bills need Josh Allen to be the best player on the field to win.
And I know Allen has a lot more turnovers. But Allen has 44 TDs to 22 turnovers (2.0 ratio). Lamar has 29 TDs and 13 turnovers (2.23 ratio). Similar ratios.
And finally, yes the Ravens got the 1 seed, but the Bills were the 2 seed. The Ravens have the best defense was the league. The Bills defense was hospitalized and literally had most of their starters out by the end of the year. But Allen still carried them into the playoffs
So Allen’s more valuable to the bills who lost them games solely because of him and beat the cowboys not because of him but when lamar doesn’t start Baltimore immediately loses out
shhhhhhhh. Stop using logic, it's RACIST!!!
@@keymold4405 The Bills' ability to run the ball efficiently is primarily due to Josh Allen. Casuals like you are also the reason why people felt compelled to put McCaffrey 3rd in the MVP voting.
@@cj7139 you’re a bozo. Yea the bills were so efficient at running the ball because josh Allen was the one handing the ball off the entire game totally nothing to do with their rb.
@@cj7139 notice how u never responded to the games Allen lost because of his play. Once again ur a bozo
Controversial lol😂 dude had 44 TDs, 4th consecutive season over 40 TDs. Allen may end his career with the most Touchdowns of any player in history.
He’s a walking legend. Clowns. “Media” voting on athletes. These dudes didn’t start on pop Warner 😂
He single handedly saved the integrity of the MVP vote. Can you imagine a < 4K passing, < 30 total TD season getting a unanimous MVP vote? He was the only one with his head on straight.
Thank you so much brother for having the balls to stand up against the establishment and doing what is right!!!! Lamar Jackson should NOT be the MVP, much less unanimous. I understand football very well and I just DO NOT understand why the media has such a love affair with making Lamar the MVP when his numbers are so freaking pedestrian!!!!
Wtf were you watching the media? Criticized this man the whole season saying he's not worth the money that he got and all bunch of bs why he doesn't have agent questions his intelligence. Smfh
Josh should have one the MVP.
Unfortunately he plays with Pat and Lamar. Josh is in my opinion number 3 tho instead of burrow. But Lamar n Pat are different players
Maybe if he didn’t play bad for half the season, they could have had the 1 seed and he probably would have won
@@XaneVidzPatrick Mahomes is top tier. Literally any team would take him over Lamar including Baltimore.
@@XaneVidznot one gm in the league is taking Lamar over Allen
@@XaneVidz Josh has been better than Lamar every year since 2020.
Thanks Schatz! The award would lose whatever merit it has left if Lamar won unanimously with those sub-par numbers.
Yeah, because numbers tell the whole story. Lamar played more consistently better for the whole season than Josh. That's a fact that the numbers do not show you.
@@rahsaanmckell-jeffers5647 If you call 6 games spread across the season with sub-200 yards passing (7 games if you include the one came with 202 yards) then yes, he was consistent af. The Ravens Defense was the real MVP of that team but unfortunately the award cant go to a whole unit.
@@Carlos559Capsthe last 5 games that the bills won to get in the playoffs, Josh had 6 total tds. If the team didn’t step up the bills would have missed the playoffs
@@DerQuanDoucett Josh is undeserving too. LOL
@@Carlos559Capsidiot
Well MVP historically just means best statistical QB with a team probably 1st or second seed...not sure why the criteria changed Lamar, normally it's a QB that leads league in a major passing statistic tds,rating,yrds...
MVP is voted by people who matter
Watch the games.
1 eye test and 2 it’s been MVPs with mid numbers win the mvp. John elway won with 19 tds and Joe Montana had 31
@@DerQuanDoucettso can we use the it was a different era for those players? That’s all I hear about Allen because his numbers outside of INT matches the trend of MVPs
@@DerQuanDoucett it was a different era with Montana and elway...for this era I don't believe Lamar had MVP numbers close but not quite..his big argument was team wins and that was help alot by defense and tucker
Wtf? When does someone with not best get the MVP? Unanimous for what? Nfl is a joke
All these comments and opinions - the fact is no one cares. Lamar won his second MVP and that's the fact. All the moaning and whining here won't change that.
Josh is the Mosr VALUABLE player to his team. He accounts for 82% of th TDS vs Lamar’s 50%
Props to this man for having the balls to come out and tell why he voted. Goes to show that just because your black doesnt make you the MVP.
Some idiots don’t deserve a mvp vote… clearly he was biased
The voter in question is an on the record Josh Allen hater...
T here was a lot of idiots in Lamar case
49 idiots, huh? 🤔🤨 Interesting... 😁😆🤣😂😺😸😹@@robertschoelerman7496
How can you say Dak has he easier schedule which is why he had a great season lamar play harder teams and blew them out
Lamar's TEAM blew them out.
@@cj7139 um je was the leading passer and rusher on that team. The only reason he didn't haveore TD's is because he handed the ball off to his RB's so they could eat too.
@@rahsaanmckell-jeffers5647 I'm not sure who "um je" is. More importantly, never argued that Lamar didn't deserve MVP. Just casually pointed out that OP was out to lunch with his comment.
@@cj7139last time I checked, the defense didn’t put 50 on miami, 30 on sf, 38 on Detroit, 37 on the rams, 31/28 on Cleveland, and 33 on the niners
@@DerQuanDoucett They kind of did. "Points scored" isn't just an offensive stat. It's a team stat, mostly influenced by the offense. Also, ignorant OP said "lamar" (yes, without the l capitalized), as opposed to "the offense". Which one was it:
30 on sf?
or 33 on the niners?
Sloppy MF
Well maybe you just should have watched the games Lamar played in. Of the best players (QB's) in the regular season, Lamar was the BEST player on the field.
In games Lamar didn't score a TD: Ravens are 2-1
In games Lamar scores 1 TD: Ravens are 4-1.
Ravens defense is the real MVP
No matter how good a defense is still u must watch Lamar take over a game to get it. He is legit
@@Bruski76159 bro the D losing 4th quarter leads late is literally the reason Lamar didn't go undefeated this year!
No he wasnt his ball placement this year was one of the worst in league his oline and wr carried him
As long as you don’t care about things that matter in football games like yards and TD.
We live in a society where if a person has his or her own opinion or thoughts they are demonized
It is apparent that you never watch Lamar play
Lamar was chosen as 2023 MVP because he's Black. We don't have to pretend not to notice. There two reasons for this, the first of which is principal 1) the NFL wants to protect itself from another Colin Kaepernick controversy and would do anything to obtain that objective even if it means choosing a paper champion as league MVP. 2) there is a certain school of thought which argues that just seeing Black people in high places encourages other Black people to take steps towards joining them. No study has demonstrated this to be scientific fact. I don't know -- it's not worth it to me. Lamar can't win a championship, showing that affirmative action in football is just as big a failure as affirmative action anywhere else. Deep down, Lamar probably knows he's being used. But he won't complain. If someone paid you $275 million to be a prop, you wouldn't either.
Dak over lamar lol hahahahah
He had better numbers than Lamar
@reneewilliams5777 is this your argument? Better numbers against a weaker strength of schedule?
I’m a cowboys fan and wouldn’t say that 😂
@@reneewilliams5777Sam Howell had better numbers than mahomes. So he should have gotten mvp votes
@@DerQuanDoucettNo he didn't
Josh Allen is my MVP too and I won money from Lamar MVP😂
I betting Josh Allen MVP next year
Patrick Mahomes took one of the worst offenses in football, and turned it into a Super Bowl team.
His response made no sense!! At all.
All you josh Allen people it's who means more to the team josh Allen does not get a MVP before Lamar gets another
So 49 others didn’t see the same analytics? They were just dummies?
Not dummies. Just cowards bowing to the narrative.
They want to put josh Allen on this pedestal he's not that good he didn't beat nine 500 teams like Lamar with no clear #1 wr it's about doing more with less not stats bills barely made playoffs josh Allen is overrated he won't make MVP ever or Superbowl
All the Lamar haters in the comments, SUCK IT 🥳🤪 he’s on his way to the hall of fame, COPE!!!! Ahhaahahahahahah!!!!!!!
The black community has an absolutely weird af obsession with Lamar. They don't care what he actually does on the field, just the color of his skin. It's the only reason he got MVP
With almost all the media falling in line and putting him #1, because otherwise they're racist doesn't seem very legitimate.
Jackson ESPN woke award
Jackson mvp ESPN woke award 😂
Dak Prescott,, they should take your vote away
Why are non-football players voting? 🤨 don’t take these popularity contests serious or stats. Only the Win column matters and # of SB rings (if any!)
The players voted Lamar the mvp, so he would have won regardless 😂😂
It's a regular season award playoffs mean nothing so rings don't mean anything. Also, fyi, wins are a TEAM stat, not just QBs. Takes defense special teams and coaching to win games. So sorry, not sorry, youre completely wrong
Wow! The people that vote for the NFL awards are Wokesters🤦. But I guess they're supposed to be journalists so makes perfect sense
5:00 lol ummmm he kinda nailed that 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I hate to say it the guy voted for one Caucasian fellow and he’s a full boar bigot
How did 5 other ppl not have Lamar 1st when he got 49/50 1st
He said he THOUGHT at least 5 other people would have not voted Lamar 1st
The clown didn't even consider evaluating Purdy and disqualified him from being the MVP because of Jimmy G stinking it up in Vegas and because PFF grades....
These are the Nerds that make decisions about a game they never played a bunch of a media Geeks smh
He did that shit on purpose, just to stop Lamar from winning another UNANIMOUS MVP.... ALLEN had a shitty year, he wasn't consistent, he had almost triple the INTS Lamar had. Lamar had a harder schedule than both Allen and Dak and Lamar is was way more EFFICIENT than both of them... It's obvious what the NFL and they're jock riders are trying to do to Lamar.
Hey - you are clueless.
Seriously bro?! 😂😂😂😂
Allen was the obvious MVP by every available metric
Did you watch this past season, did you see what he did to the 49ers, Mia, Detroit, Rams, Seahawks, he punished them with his Arm.... Find somebody else to fuck with, LAMAR JACKSON IS PROVEN, 2X MVP, 3X Pro Bowler and he's already going to the HALL OF FAME.. GO CRITICIZE THOSE QB'S THAT LAMAR BEAT LAST YEAR
Perfect example of a guy who only looks at stats and not game film.
Nah perfect of example of a guy who thinks for himself instead of being a sheep.
This is the only argument for Lamar because you can't quantify an argument for him with tangible stats and facts. But I will say, watching ten Ravens games this year, Lamar was extremely inconsistent game to game, and even in the same game. He'll make some flashy plays, but he can't consistently lead an offense. They went through periods of great ineffectiveness that we just witnessed in the playoffs against the Chiefs
@@garylasseter2978 far from it. Nice try though
@@larry2281 watch football
I've watched football when you were just an itch in your daddys pants, Allen is a better overall QB than Lamar, and he had a much better season than Lamar did. Lamar just played on a better overall football team with a better coach. You don't like stats because they provide evidence that destroys your argument.
Most valuable player on their team or any other team.
No defense fears Josh Allen more than Lamar. Ask every D-Lineman in the league.
Josh Allen could arguably be 2nd no doubt.
They will say Lamar. Especially after what he did to all the best teams this year.
Lamar easily is the Ravens whole offense. They rely on him being superhuman more than any other team. Lamar is the best player.
The chiefs didn't seem to have any problem handling Lamar. And look at their stats this year, Lamars aren't even close to Allens. Look at what Allen did vs the chiefs defense the week before the Ravens played them then look at Lamars performance. Teams fear the Ravens more than the Bills because the Ravens are a better football team. Allen is the better QB. 4 straight years of over 4k yards passing and over 40 tds - first QB in NFL HISTORY to do that. Allen is terrible at winning popularity contests like MVP though so you have that.
@@kennyjames4679
Lamar would be better than Josh Allen if he had their team. Josh Allen also throws too many ints.
Josh Allen AVERAGES 35 pass attempts a game in their offense. Lamar only does like 28 And since Lamar has a higher completion percentage, even with the Ravens drop issues early, Lamar would have had more yards in the bills offense. So Josh's yards are not impressive.
Lamar also doesn't play the whole game bc they blew teams out and didn't pad stats. Ravens also run the ball waaayy more.
Bills also have steffon diggs, Gabe Davis and James cook. So yet again...not impressive for Josh.
it's not just about stats. Lamar escapes pressure way better than other QBs.
Lamars highlight reel alone is more impressive than Josh. Like I said, D Lineman are more intimidated by Lamar. He's more of a threat. It's No slight to Josh. Just like we don't compare Mahomes, It's just understood.
Lamar is more valuable this year. And if anyone else agreed, there would be more than 1 vote for him.
Numbers don’t lie. Allen is far superior@@RichardsonFretz
@@rocketman7774 I believe his offense and play calling is more organized. He has better help which hurts his case with mvp. You may feel he is a better qb. Machines too But he is not more valuable to his team and impactful single handedly.
Lamar is his whole offense? Lamar was 52% of his teams scores. Allen was 86%.
Josh is the MVP of turnovers
@JoeSmith-t7n I watch games and see with my own eyes the guy is a Turnover Machine, especially in key situations.
@JoeSmith-t7n I don't even know if those stats are true but even if they are, they represent small sample sizes and are quite meaningless.
Josh has had diggs his whole career! Except year one in which he was average at best. He always had help in sick of the he has no WR talk!
He didn’t have diggs his whole career
@@lildripnation3462he had diggs for 4 out of his 6 years
So what. He can't have 1 good wr? Has nobody else & below avg OLs before this yr.
Lmfao such a pathetic take, allens never had top 10 oline and or top ten overall wr core lolololol, lamar had top 3 oline , top ten playmaker core and good o coord and was still mediocrely
Lamar has had Andrews his whole career. What's your point?