Lamar Jackson's 2023 MVP Was WILDY Overrated

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  • @joericottone
    @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +12

    Should Lamar Jackson Have Been the Unanimous MVP?

    • @Knightfaller
      @Knightfaller 6 месяцев назад +20

      No to me personally it would have been CMC. I like Lamar but this wasn't as strong as a season as 2019.

    • @anibalrodriguez2626
      @anibalrodriguez2626 6 месяцев назад +15

      McAffrey deserved it over him 100%

    • @recklssabndon
      @recklssabndon 6 месяцев назад +21

      It should’ve been a non QB this year

    • @dnasty312
      @dnasty312 6 месяцев назад

      ​​@@anibalrodriguez2626I concur. Give Lamar OPoY and CMac MVP.

    • @dnasty312
      @dnasty312 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@Knightfallerlike when Montana won MVP in 1990. I feel either *Randall Cunningham* or *Warren Moon* should have won it that season

  • @pepesilvia3573
    @pepesilvia3573 6 месяцев назад +71

    I don't get why the voters are allergic to voting for a non QB. Me personally, I would've voted for CMC, Tyreek, Garrett, Bland, Ceedee or Warner before voting for a QB this year. And if I was gonna go QB I woulda went both Allen and Brock before Lamar. Lamar was very good. He's a very good QB. One of the best in the league. But to your point, for how deserving his 2019 MVP was, this one that much undeserved.

    • @yourlocaltrucker313
      @yourlocaltrucker313 6 месяцев назад +6

      Well because QBs are far and away the most valuable position in football. It makes sense the the most valuable player would be playing the most valuable position.

    • @pepesilvia3573
      @pepesilvia3573 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@yourlocaltrucker313 you and I both know that kind of "value" isn't taken into account for MVP. It's just the QB with the perceived best season. Obviously a QB holds more value than any other position. But MVP usually and should mean "best player." Just like a Heisman. In NBA, in NHL, in MLB, there isn't a designated position in either of those sports that receives the MVP above all others like we see in NFL. If QBs are the only ones ever considered from now on then it should be changed to MVQB

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +3

      I think they get worried that their credibility will take a hit if they don't roll with the popular opinion

    • @fhfngnufnhgjhbu
      @fhfngnufnhgjhbu 6 месяцев назад +1

      learn ball and then start talking

    • @pepesilvia3573
      @pepesilvia3573 6 месяцев назад

      @@fhfngnufnhgjhbu please educate me oh wise one.

  • @brobasticbroham446
    @brobasticbroham446 6 месяцев назад +14

    KC shutdown Lamar, CMC and Tyreek when they played, we didn't shutdown Josh Allen I am a lifelong KC fan and I am telling you Josh Allen should have got it.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      I like that logic!

    • @Daizlol
      @Daizlol 23 дня назад

      Josh Allen gets so much shit for his team’s lack of performance in the playoffs. Allen couldn’t have played a better game than he did against KC this year, and yet he got all of the blame for the loss, even though the run game was almost nonexistent and Stefan Diggs forgot how to play football over the latter half of the season.

  • @lunchpailguy253
    @lunchpailguy253 6 месяцев назад +10

    Even if you’re on the “MVP is a QB award” train, Josh Allen was better in almost every way compared to Lamar. Lamar was great this year, but he shouldn’t have been chosen over Allen, CMC or Tyreek. It also doesn’t help that Ravens fans are vicious assholes that call you a racist the second you even hint at criticizing Lamar, and the media is starting to fall into that trap too. It’s embarrassing and needs change

  • @maskedman5657
    @maskedman5657 6 месяцев назад +21

    The biggest reason why Lamar Jackson won this year is his insane win percentage and production against great teams. He has by far the best record against winning teams this year and the best performances.
    Now do I think that it's a non conversation to say he isn't unanimous? No. But he has beat most of the best teams in the NFL.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +7

      without a doubt - but that doesn't take into account stability from coaching, the Ravens defense - yet it does when people talk about Purdy. Look at the Justin Herbert argument as well - He has scored exactly as many point as his defense has let up in his career - now with John Harbaugh, I believe he'll be in the MVP conversation

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@joericottone it's Jim Harbaugh, but yeah. The ravens won 6 games without LJ scoring a TD this year.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +3

      My mistake, I’m adhd responding to comments

    • @codyrico23
      @codyrico23 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottoneget it right

    • @brandoisrael3155
      @brandoisrael3155 Месяц назад +1

      @@zackhurwitz9441 it didn’t matter because him marching his rb to get a 2 yard td is what they wanted to do. This season?? Oh this season they about to go crazy they heard all the noise and his coach know they gotta unleash Lamar!

  • @dnasty312
    @dnasty312 6 месяцев назад +26

    My opinion the weakest NFL MVP official (so far) was *Joe Montana* in 1990. My reasons:
    •Career high 16 INTs
    •The best player on the best team scenario
    •The other three media outlets didn't choose him

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +3

      good call on that

    • @joshuaokparaocha331
      @joshuaokparaocha331 5 месяцев назад +3

      Peyton Manning has an MVP he probably doesn’t deserve too

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  5 месяцев назад +1

      @joshuaokparaocha331 10000%

    • @Greg-mh5zn
      @Greg-mh5zn Месяц назад +1

      @@dnasty312 I will say that with defensive rules being different back then,,,,16 int was not unusual
      But your other,,,2 arguments were valid.

  • @thehulkster9434
    @thehulkster9434 6 месяцев назад +25

    This season proved that the MVP is pretty ridiculous these days. If ever there was a year to give it to a non-quarterback, this was it, but the voters are allergic to the idea that the most valuable player could be anyone else

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +4

      very true! we need a dedicated top QB award

  • @MichaelDrago-hk2xf
    @MichaelDrago-hk2xf 6 месяцев назад +27

    To me, Josh Allen was the most important player to any teams success this year, and honestly this whole “turnover problem” that kept him from winning has been completely overblown.

    • @maluinthe90s
      @maluinthe90s 6 месяцев назад +5

      People saw the turnovers and freaked out without looking at how many TDs Allen. He had one of the best TD to turn over ratios this season, had the most total TDs, the most rushing TDs including RBs, and he had 80% of his teams TDs. How is that not a MVP stat line?

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +4

      I agree, but 18 INTs is a lot

    • @10thletter40
      @10thletter40 6 месяцев назад

      I think my answer to that is how Brett Farve is in the hall of fame. ​@@joericottone

    • @FSBProductions.
      @FSBProductions. 6 месяцев назад +1

      44 tds is also a lot :)
      @@joericottone

    • @khaliljohnson4331
      @khaliljohnson4331 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@FSBProductions. He lead the league in turnovers he was making up for his damage that ain’t mvp😂

  • @williamallen7984
    @williamallen7984 6 месяцев назад +19

    Chiefs fan here and you all may not like hearing it, but we all know who the MVP was this year: It was Josh Allen. They were down and out, and he put the city of Buffalo on his back and dragged them to the 2 seed. He was efficient and made the right plays when he needed to over that stretch. For SAS to say a first place vote for him was cowardly is not only stupid, it was a cowardly statement on his part. You can’t tell me Lamar “finally,” got good weapons, and that Baltimore has the best defense in the league, and then Lamar led in 0 categories, you can’t tell me he was the most valuable piece on his team…

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      Great points!

    • @joshmontez7982
      @joshmontez7982 5 месяцев назад +1

      The funny thing is the advanced statistics show exactly this being the truth Josh Allen was the 2023 MVP

    • @ajarmetta
      @ajarmetta Месяц назад +2

      It was very simple, lamar is the medias poster child good for ratings instantly makes him mvp no matter how shit he plays

  • @bmj2k7
    @bmj2k7 6 месяцев назад +4

    And his color. Allen CmC and Purdy are white. That works against you in today's game.

    • @micahkiyimba8641
      @micahkiyimba8641 5 месяцев назад +1

      3 more deserving white players overlooked.

  • @av2018
    @av2018 6 месяцев назад +6

    Josh Allen was robbed at least twice.

  • @adampericles669
    @adampericles669 6 месяцев назад +5

    I'm french so I'm discovering the NFL (1st season I really follow, I only followed few playoffs games in 2022-2023) and I gotta say this video is amazing and I completely agree with you and understand the point of ppl who disagree with the MVP votes of this season. Well done mate ! (sorry for my english if I made mistakes)

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      I appreciate that man! The english was perfect - are you french from France or French Canadian?

  • @southernstylegaming8580
    @southernstylegaming8580 6 месяцев назад +6

    I'd also like to know why Rookies can't be considered. I mean, let's be real, CJ Stroud led a team that won 3 games the year before to the playoffs, and won a playoff game as well. He did this with just about the same talent around him as Davis Mills last year. You can argue he shouldn't have won, but you can't argue that he didn't deserve at least one vote.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      CJ just needed to stay healthy - but idk about that - Dalton Schultz, Tank Dell, and Nico Collins getting another year to develop (which makes a huge difference). But still, CJ was great

    • @southernstylegaming8580
      @southernstylegaming8580 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottone I can agree with that. As I said, I don't think he necessarily should have won (at least, if I put my Texans fan bias aside 🤣), but he should have gotten a couple votes.

  • @SamFloriano
    @SamFloriano 6 месяцев назад +5

    There is no way Lamar should’ve won MVP this year. If I were to pick an MVP it would’ve been either Tyreek or Josh Allen (and I’d probably lean more towards Allen)

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      not CMC? I would've loved to see Tyreek

  • @joemagarac405
    @joemagarac405 6 месяцев назад +7

    MVP has always been a sports media popularity contest. Casi in point: Aaron Rodgers, 2021:
    Passing Yards: 10th
    Touchdowns: 6th
    4th Quarter Comebacks: 16th
    He had the fewest interceptions, which is great but that begs the question of whether he played it safe to keep that stat pristine, as he was accused of doing when the Packers and Rodgers looked lifeless in their one playoff game. But Rodgers was a media darling so he got the nod.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +2

      good example of him carrying over a justifiable award from 2020 to a perceived one in 2021

    • @brandoisrael3155
      @brandoisrael3155 Месяц назад

      Lead nfl passer rating 111.2 lead nfl in qbr 74.1 lead NFL td%😅 best record in football I believe or 13-3 in the nfc that’s what got him the MVP buddy. That regular season record holds weight.

  • @Basetugboat2675
    @Basetugboat2675 6 месяцев назад +10

    great video glad that you said this

  • @GuitaroMAN44
    @GuitaroMAN44 6 месяцев назад +4

    Even during the season, I was confused why people were so rabid about Lamar leading the MVP race. His play didn’t even seem like it was in the same stratosphere as his 2019 season. Especially when you consider the fact that all three of the Ravens’ losses fell on Lamar’s shoulders.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      no doubt - Indy loss and Cleveland loss was wild

    • @truzzprod.8191
      @truzzprod.8191 17 дней назад

      @@joericottone Indy lost was on Drake lol

  • @zrpggamer
    @zrpggamer 6 месяцев назад +5

    The fans are too blame, all people talk about are wins/rings. Nothing else matters. The fans ate up the Jordan 6 rings argument, and now all they can see is ringe. 0 nuance

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      good points! thanks for watching!

    • @brianadigwe8732
      @brianadigwe8732 6 месяцев назад

      F A X X

    • @bosExpert1
      @bosExpert1 6 месяцев назад +4

      Fully agree and it's crazy I hate ring counting it also robs players current/former for their greatness and takes away from their play. When you witness greatness or awesome play "everyone is like not my goat" it's so tasteless

    • @brianadigwe8732
      @brianadigwe8732 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@bosExpert1 Tasteless...AND unoriginal

  • @robertbeattie7057
    @robertbeattie7057 6 месяцев назад +4

    Applause for your excellent points. I rarely watch television talking sports-heads because they seem to be in the entertainment industry, rarely discussing valid relevant sports analysis. I'm an old man, old enough that when I was young, I learned the 1st acknowledged NFL MVP was center Mel Hein. More than one institution recognized MVP and they often differed. One year an institution said offensive tackle Lou Groza was MVP. Then a long series of backs received the award including Jim Taylor, Paul Hornung, and Jim Brown. I hadn't paid enough attention to realize it had become considered an award for quarterbacks. I was paying attention to American Football League MVPs in the 1960s. Six of the ten were non-quarterbacks: two wide receivers (Alworth, Cappelletti), three fullbacks (Gilchrist, Lowe, Nance), and one halfback (Haynes). The other four were three quarterbacks: Blanda, Namath, and Lamonica twice. Personally, in 1968 I would have voted the MVP for Ed Budde, left guard for the Kansas City Chiefs.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks so much Robert, really appreciate that and appreciate the thoughtful comment!!

  • @knoxbox1212
    @knoxbox1212 6 месяцев назад +18

    CJ Stroud should have been the MVP. That team was 3-13 last year. He took them to the playoffs and was slinging it all over the place.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +4

      If he hadn't gotten injured there would've been a strong case for it!

    • @alc6370
      @alc6370 6 месяцев назад

      I agree!

  • @jakeperry440
    @jakeperry440 6 месяцев назад +3

    Wins are extremely overrated in terms of MVP votes for QBs, Lamar had a great year but Josh Allen had an even better year.

  • @BiltzBoi
    @BiltzBoi 6 месяцев назад +14

    We need to start promoting a hashtag like this: #endquarterbackbais
    There is also no award an offensive lineman has a reasonable chance at winning.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      Its a movement id get behind!

    • @BiltzBoi
      @BiltzBoi 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottoneThis should be getting lots of attention until non-offensive skill players actually get fair consideration.

  • @BrianPaul1984
    @BrianPaul1984 6 месяцев назад +3

    The MVP should include the postseason. If so, Mahomes is the MVP and it isn't even close.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +2

      I agree

    • @russellseaton2014
      @russellseaton2014 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@joericottone Agree agree. Of course with KC, the entire defense, all 11 guys, could be considered MVP too. And Harrison Butker too. 4 Super Bowl FGs. And 2 or 3 or 4 each in the Bills and Ravens games too. He was the kicking MAN.

  • @tromboneman4517
    @tromboneman4517 6 месяцев назад +6

    If Josh Allen played for the Ravens… they’d have gone 15-2 or something. And cruised to a Super Bowl blowout victory over the 49ers.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      I could see it

    • @liltimmy109
      @liltimmy109 6 месяцев назад +1

      I mean Josh Allen had the number 1 defense a good receiving core and everything in 2021 just like Lamar had in 2023 but I guess the bills are cursed and we will never win a championship. 13 seconds still haunts me to this day.

    • @Goatoftrio
      @Goatoftrio 6 месяцев назад +1

      Josh Allen would throw game away in the clutch even if he has a good defense

    • @Goatoftrio
      @Goatoftrio 6 месяцев назад

      Josh Allen is a glorified Phillip rivers

    • @liltimmy109
      @liltimmy109 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Goatoftrio it was only in the one time against the Vikings that it

  • @abel3694
    @abel3694 6 месяцев назад +3

    Allen is the real MVP

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      your profile pic makes me think you might be a tad biased

  • @tbitv2035
    @tbitv2035 6 месяцев назад +3

    Purdy is just average against decent teams. Awards are never fair and trying to quantify who the most important player was out of 1700 is silly unless you go strictly by stats. But stats lie too so awards are just dumb. celebrating people who are celebrated already

  • @isaiahh4108
    @isaiahh4108 6 месяцев назад +6

    The MVP being a QB award is such media manipulation

  • @alamondello397
    @alamondello397 6 месяцев назад +4

    The MVP award has lost all meaning. Just giving it to qb at this point

  • @maxglenn4886
    @maxglenn4886 6 месяцев назад +6

    That was an unreal video

  • @tlamb_9778
    @tlamb_9778 6 месяцев назад +3

    Great video! I think the Ravens suffered significant injuries on offence during the season. Dobbins in the pre-season, Andrews mid-season, Lamar was relying on unproven rookies and a washed OBJ to produce on O, meanwhile Purdy had a healthy CMC, Aiyuk, Deebo, and Kittle for the majority of the season. Although the stats push the game manager narrative for both of them, the circumstances are definitely different imo. I’m with you on pushing a non-QB MVP tho, Garrett should have been in the convo more that defense carried Flacco to the wild card come on

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Very good points! If voters ever vocalized that pov regarding injuries it would be much more palatable - but yes, the larger issue is still the fact that it was even close to becoming a unanimous vote - Go Warriors!!!

  • @talam563
    @talam563 6 месяцев назад +1

    Not mentioning Dak's name once in this video is insane.
    The most passing TDs, tied for most total TDs, was top 5 in every meaningful passing stat and his team was the second seed.
    Cry about his playoffs all you want but MVP is a regular season award.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      I agree he should be in the conversation I only left him out because I was analyzing the main narrative of Purdy vs Lamar, however he lost to Dobbs, Purdy (bad), Hurts, Allen, Tua. He kinda shrunk in very big moments especially when it counted at the end of the season

    • @talam563
      @talam563 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@joericottone it's fair to say that about Dak but then you have to do the same for Lamar, he was great against good teams. He was 10-3 against teams with a winning record and 9 of those games he won by 14+ (including the 49ers) which is an NFL record.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Completely agree, and that's the point I'm making in this video - not Lamar, nor Purdy, nor Dak dominated to a point that would justify a unanimous MVP or anything close to that point, they were all very similar in terms of individual performances@@talam563

  • @shaboidagoober1304
    @shaboidagoober1304 6 месяцев назад +4

    Absolutely nailed it!

  • @fantasyawait
    @fantasyawait 6 месяцев назад +3

    I could not believe lamar won, if we wanna give it to a qb and go off stats it would have been allen or dak both had better productions then lamar. If we wanna go off of who if you took off the team the team wouldnt have been anywhere close to where they were then it would be mahomes. But in my eyes it had to be mccaffery

  • @kentcarmack5879
    @kentcarmack5879 4 месяца назад +1

    You are missing a key element. The nfl is woke. Black quarterbacks didn't used to exist and are still rare. I can almost guarantee you if Jackson had lost the mvp voting, there would be all kinds of people claiming racism.

  • @johnsalariane6216
    @johnsalariane6216 6 месяцев назад +2

    If the point of the season is to win the superbowl. Why do we have a trophy for regular season performance?!

  • @Jayhawker2000
    @Jayhawker2000 6 месяцев назад +2

    It probably would have been a good year to give the MVP to a non QB. None of the QBs had all that impressive of seasons.

  • @Terytheboss
    @Terytheboss 6 месяцев назад +1

    The ravens edge 49ers defense but I think what made the difference was Brock plays his role very well for 49ers offense but when it comes to Ravens Lamar kinda really is the offense.

  • @jakadis
    @jakadis 6 месяцев назад +1

    Your channel is gold this is exactly the content I look for

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks so much man, much appreciated!

  • @colekardis3723
    @colekardis3723 6 месяцев назад +1

    very well done video, glad someone said it. I was really surprised CMC didn't get more recognition, and Josh Allen totally could've gotten the MVP too. A testament to how much sports media just parrots a narrative

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      thanks so much man, glad you enjoyed and I appreciate the comment!

  • @henryleeCabin54
    @henryleeCabin54 3 месяца назад

    As a 49er fan I have two thoughts.
    1. CMC should’ve been the MVP. He stood out positional more than anyone else. Only QBs had more than 20 tds.
    2. You can argue a ton of QBs are system QBs. Josh Allen has Stef on diggs, Dak Prescott has CeeDee, Justin Herbert had Allen and Williams, Hurts has Smith, Brown, and a brick wall of an oline. None of these are system QBs, and when you look at Purdys film, he looks good. He can make almost every necessary throw, he just gets to throw to a very talented group. 33 TDs in 16 games is very good, and some elite people who also have play makes can’t get there.

  • @jamesolson4415
    @jamesolson4415 6 месяцев назад

    Absolutely love the channel. So glad I found it and can watch it grow. Well done thought out videos, well executed, not pushed opinions and the ones you do have are well thought out and supported. Don’t change, the success is coming your way

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      Really appreciate that man, the support means the world to me!

  • @aidancarter8755
    @aidancarter8755 19 дней назад

    Lamar Jackson had no thousand yard rusher or receiver, the top running back on the ravens was Gus Edwards, the best receiver was a rookie, Mark Andrews got hurt, he played far and away the hardest schedule in the NFL (9 games against teams that made the playoffs). Yes the Ravens had great coaching, yes the Ravens had a great defense, but the Jets also have a great defense, and without a quarterback what did it do for them?

  • @TheCountofToulouse
    @TheCountofToulouse 2 месяца назад

    This is the age of the 'virtue signal/DEI' MVP. If Lamar Jackson was some white guy, Stephen A. Smith would be calling him out every night, screaming that "he's the problem", "It's clear he's can't get it done"...but with the power of BLACK PRIVILEGE, the narrative FLIPS 180 degrees. Now, it's excuses, it's everyone else's fault, the coaches are holding him back, he's clearly "top 5" and on and on it goes. His FIRST MVP was a joke but again, we know what the AGENDA is, we see it coming from the TOP of the NFL and anyone that calls it out is called names.
    Drew Brees and Russell Wilson never got an MVP, so, it's clearly not the 'bench mark' it used to be. When Jackson tried to go to free agency, the market spoke VERY loudly about his actual value and ceiling/potential, outside of the DEI crowd, coaches and owners know he's above average but his skill will decline rapidly VERY soon, like the "dual threat" QB's, they never manifest into great passers, they get slower and get sacked more until they're eventually out of the league.

  • @Tbreezy410
    @Tbreezy410 29 дней назад +3

    Thank you bro I’m ravens fan but the Lamar glazing is ridiculous

  • @jasonbagwell5522
    @jasonbagwell5522 6 месяцев назад +4

    Bro while your consternation is well-founded, the MVP is not an objective award. Perception plays a great part in it. Meausrables mean less than we think.
    I do wish the format were changed to honor more players (e.g QB cannot win OPOY, MVP becomes Most Outstanding Player, individual position group awards -like all-pro but with trophies), but this is literally the same award that the AP gave to a kicker in the 70s….how seriously can you take it

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      good points - I just think more variance especially in years like this past one would be better

  • @Joshhenges
    @Joshhenges 6 месяцев назад +6

    Making this comment before I hear your reasons, just want to tell you I am subscribing because you had courage to do this! Whether I agree or not, I'm in for a guy who challenges my conventional thinking.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      I appreciate that! I’d love to know your opinion after you finish!

  • @salvatoresultana4058
    @salvatoresultana4058 14 дней назад

    You are 100% right about Lamar not being the MVP. I personally believe he shouldn’t have been a candidate. He is the first MVP that wasn’t top 10 in yards or touchdowns, but he won damn near unanimously? You could’ve given it to Purdy, Allen or even Dak Prescott and it would’ve made more sense. McCaffrey, Tyreek, CeeDee Lamb was unbelievable and when you look at defense, you could go with Garrett or TJ. He shouldn’t have finished with a single vote.

  • @PB4KC
    @PB4KC 6 месяцев назад +1

    The majority of sports media talking heads like Stephen A. are actually incredibly unintelligent when it comes to taking stances backed by metrics or unbiased reason. No player should ever be unanimous MVP when they aren’t leading in any major statistical category for their position. McCaffrey or Hill should have gotten the nod this year; anything else is asinine.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      I think Lamar deserved it in 2019 - but we have to keep in mind, Brady didn't even win unanimously in 2007 after throwing 50 and going 16-0

  • @keleka26
    @keleka26 4 месяца назад +1

    You've earned a subscriber with this video. Very well done, sir.

  • @paulidson1483
    @paulidson1483 5 месяцев назад

    No way in hell Lamar should have won the MVP he was average this year and every passing stat shows it.
    Stephen A smith is a fucking clown

  • @dorothyhunter4656
    @dorothyhunter4656 6 месяцев назад

    If you watch first take yesterday. Stephen A smith said he doesn't think lamar would win a superbowl if he and mahomes switched team's. Talk about doubling down. These analysts are really stupid 😒

  • @normanpryor4824
    @normanpryor4824 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ngl Lamar is also one of the biggest media darlings in the NFL. They been having his back to the fullest ever since he was in a contract dispute with the Ravens. Constantly bashing the Ravens for not getting him signed and bashing other teams for not immediately trading their future for him.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      He carries himself well publicly though, and that goes a long way - it's what people don't understand when I'm critical about Kyler Murray - K1 makes himself an enemy by the way he communicates, you could say the same thing as each other, but the packaging matters, and Lamar knows how to communicate well

    • @Mrfantastic-hp2en
      @Mrfantastic-hp2en 3 месяца назад

      😂😂😂 you done lost your damn mind

  • @14-7AtWork
    @14-7AtWork 3 месяца назад

    The amount of time Lamar sat out in the 4th due to blowing out teams so bad was over a game, not including sitting out the entire last game. On top of that they rushed for the most yards. Lamar is not going to have the most passing yards

  • @isaacboone1255
    @isaacboone1255 2 месяца назад

    Lamar is the most media coddled qb I’ve seen in my life, hes absolutely horrible in the playoffs and gets embarrassed year in and year out

  • @jonasb6440
    @jonasb6440 6 месяцев назад +1

    I mean Mahomes technically the MVP every year

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Super Bowl MVP is the real MVP

  • @NathanDean79
    @NathanDean79 3 месяца назад

    Those who say Lamar should have been the unanimous MVP this past season either 1. Don’t watch and follow football 2. Or are racist against white people. Like Stephen A Smith. He is a racist. I am not be air when looking at all the DATA from last year Dak Prescott should have won the MVP.

  • @NathanDean79
    @NathanDean79 3 месяца назад

    Lamar Jackson lost 6 fumbles last year not 2. He had 13 total turnover.

  • @justinamerican8200
    @justinamerican8200 6 месяцев назад

    I'll argue it. Purdy still should have been the MVP. He's the only QB with an ANY/A over 9.00 that has not won the award. Personnel be damned.
    And 2022 Justin Fields did, in fact, get one MVP vote. One more than Russell Wilson has received his entire career.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      for fields i was reffering to 1st place votes

  • @aarafmehmood5572
    @aarafmehmood5572 5 месяцев назад

    The thing with the Lamar MVP is that it was his first year in a non college style system which they did for Lamar his first couple of years. This was a tradition style offense and when his favorite option mark Andrew’s went down and Lamar could still do normal qb things and the won it made it seem like Lamar had finally become a true qb. Now again these narratives should not have made him the mvp but they had to because it was a feel good story. Personally Lamar should have won comeback player of the year but nobody wants to go there

  • @WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle
    @WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle 20 дней назад

    We all know why Lamar got another nearly unanimous MVP despite a Tyrod Taylor year

  • @SpaTown808
    @SpaTown808 3 месяца назад +1

    When you run the ball as much as Jackson does in his offense, you’re not going to rack up the most dominant passing stats. And you said it yourself - 85 of LJ’s runs were designed, in turn, meaning his lack of passing production was a product of the coach’s decision to heavily utilize him as a runner. You couple this with all of the games he sat in the 4th qtr or just didn’t play at all, his numbers were not as bad as it seems. We can’t sit here and act as if having Flowers, Edwards, Andrews, Likely, and Agholor is the equivalent of having Aiyuk, McCaffrey, Samuel, Kittle, and Jennings. Purdy had a bit more room to be a “game manager” considering the amount of talent on the field with him. In the SF-BAL game, only one QB was rattled by the others’ great defense. It makes for good convo, but to talk Lamar’s offensive supporting cast up to the level of a SF is being a little disingenuous. I will say that you’ve convinced me that the race should’ve been closer, though.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  3 месяца назад

      You make good points! the main point of this video is built around the idea that he should have been unanimous is ludicrous more than anything. I appreciate the thoughtful comment!!

  • @bryanhernandez2045
    @bryanhernandez2045 22 дня назад

    CMC should have won based on the fact that his presence is making BP look like Montana when he's just better than average. Good QB but not great. And Miles Garrett over TJ Watt for defensive player? That's probably the worst snub of all.

  • @NathanDean79
    @NathanDean79 3 месяца назад

    Neither Lamar or Purdy should
    Have gotten the MVP. Dak Prescott deserved the MVP and 1st team all pro. And I fucking despise the Cowboys. But put all three of their numbers down beside each other and you will
    See what I’m talking about.

  • @4-5-6chevytrucksllc5
    @4-5-6chevytrucksllc5 6 месяцев назад +1

    SAS disgusts me!

  • @antoniowilliams9440
    @antoniowilliams9440 2 месяца назад

    Sounds pretty *OXYMORONIC* to me. Lamar was the catalyst to a 13-4 record. Whereas Tyrod Taylor was 8-8 leading the Bills in '15. Plus, Lamar *DOMINATED* against the other MVP candidates. And, was barely even in a deficit all season in *HISTORICAL* fashion. 1 idiot away (Aaron Schatz) from being the first 2x unanimous MVP ever. (99 out of 100 votes) The NFL literally allowed 'em to single-handedly revise history pickin' Josh Allen who led the league in turnovers. Moreover, almost didn't even make the playoffs 'til the Bills changed OC's and ran the ball more w/ James Cook. Meanwhile; Lamar led the Ravens #1 rushing attack again; and hasn't had a 1,000 rusher since RB Mark Ingram (1,018) in '19 unless it was himself.

  • @AROB_PROD
    @AROB_PROD 6 месяцев назад +1

    Idk why people call Purdy a System QB or Game Manager but isn’t that basically all NFL QBs are to manage the offense.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Yes - most of the greats just happen to be more fortunate because of coaching and surrounding talent. However, when it comes to the game within the game (audibling at the line, identifying coverages etc.) that's where things change and separate the great from good

    • @AROB_PROD
      @AROB_PROD 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottone yeah but other QBs for example using AROD he is known for his Ball Placement being able to put the ball in some of the Tuffest spots and won back 2 back MVPs

  • @jd8606
    @jd8606 6 месяцев назад +1

    They need to do offensive and defensive mvps. Also stop riding qb meat

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      they do do OPOY and DPOY - so it's technically there, but still

    • @jd8606
      @jd8606 5 месяцев назад

      @joericottone I get that but it's always qbs. Good point though

  • @benjaminharris4575
    @benjaminharris4575 6 месяцев назад

    Really enjoy your videos.

  • @edwardellis3038
    @edwardellis3038 6 месяцев назад +1

    Brock Purdy plays in the most QB friendly system surrounded by a pro bowl caliber arsenal of skill players, backed up by an elite defense giving him short fields. All he’s asked to do is simply run the offense like Shanahan wants it to be run. Is he a good QB? Yes. But he’s overrated and has no business being an MVP candidate, context matters.
    Lamar IS the system. You can’t quantify his impact by numbers. His presence makes everyone’s lives easier, oline life is easier, the backs can reel off big runs, receivers are running open all because of Lamar. And that makes him a valuable player and much more valuable to his team than Brock.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +2

      Without a doubt, good points, but this year, was he the unanimous MVP, and can that same argument be made for Josh Allen, also, the Ravens D was better this year, they were the best in the league, Lamar definitely benefited from that

    • @user-tw5mm3sm6v
      @user-tw5mm3sm6v 12 дней назад

      When Lamar fans arguments are debunked with statistics they have to go to feels

  • @krod91100
    @krod91100 6 месяцев назад +1

    I honestly think if CJ Stroud would have been healthy all season and played like he was he would have had a serious shot at MVP.

  • @missile87redefined25
    @missile87redefined25 6 месяцев назад

    We wouldn’t have been the best team in the league without Lamar. He’s the most valuable player on the best team in the league. It’s not hard to understand

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      Unanimous though? Was it close to what he did in 2019 or was the team as a whole just better?

  • @TacticalS1ayer
    @TacticalS1ayer 6 месяцев назад +1

    stephen A smith doesnt know what he's talking about 🤦‍♂️

  • @BackyardDanny
    @BackyardDanny 6 месяцев назад +1

    As a lions fan it should've been hill, CMC or Watt

  • @BMCROADTO2K
    @BMCROADTO2K 6 месяцев назад +2

    4:51 Jared Goff 😅

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Good point!!! you win the prize!

  • @songsayswhat
    @songsayswhat 6 месяцев назад +1

    I always thought MVP should go to the player who impacts his team the most. Because of that I thought Allen or Stroud or even Falco made a bigger difference. Besides, there are plenty of other player positions who also make huge contributions to their teams & ought to be considered.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      I think if Stroud doesn't get injured he would've had a good shot

  • @1michiganwolverinesfan216
    @1michiganwolverinesfan216 5 месяцев назад

    The worst mvp period. How. An he be mvp when he didn’t lead in any passing categories? Lmfao the league is a joke, and they didn’t want to give it to somebody else since they’d say it’s racist just because he’s black

  • @vddr24
    @vddr24 13 дней назад

    Josh Allen should've been the MVP

  • @dorothyhunter4656
    @dorothyhunter4656 6 месяцев назад

    Its a popularity contest. And because the bills were so inconsistent, and with allen turnovers cost him the award. I love lamar but the defense was the story 2023 season and he just benefits from it. I think dax could of won also.

  • @NathanDean79
    @NathanDean79 3 месяца назад

    Dak had the best year of any QB this past season. I mean he was 2nd team All Pro. That award is given to the second best qb in football.

  • @14-7AtWork
    @14-7AtWork 3 месяца назад

    Ngl calling the ravens the most complete team is definitely a big stretch, offensively at least. If you look at the roster for the chiefs and ravens offensively; I can’t find much to separate them honestly. Rookie and unproven WRs, Kelce/Mark/Likely, Pacheco/Gus, average at best O lines. The ravens definitely were not as complete offensively like the 49ers, Rams, Lions, Eagles, Bengals, the list really can go on

  • @etwiggs19
    @etwiggs19 6 месяцев назад +1

    they gave him the mvp because he played like he did in 2019 🫠

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      He threw 36 tds and ran for 8 more and rushed for 1200 yards? That’s news to me!

  • @tobsefff8589
    @tobsefff8589 6 месяцев назад +1

    I understand that it is annoying that it is an best qb award at this point, but they are so much more valuable to teams than other positions, thats why they get these huge contracts. I mean look at mahomes cap hit, nobody would give that money to hill or cmc

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      without a doubt they're the most valuable, but look at Miami - who's more valuable, Hill or Tua?

    • @tobsefff8589
      @tobsefff8589 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottone its hill, and you are right there are good arguments to give the mvp award to a non qb, maybe the nfl should do some changes in the system. But in my personal opinion hill being more valuable than tua is a big reason why I never seen them as serious contender for the superbowl title. Of course there are exeptions but in the end it often comes down to the quarterbacks and in the regular season its the same thing

  • @basicmeme1040
    @basicmeme1040 8 дней назад

    The issue is if lamar had cmc deebo kittle and aiyuk that team goes 16-0. He does also have a great defense and has a great line but a way worse wr core

  • @clifton212
    @clifton212 6 месяцев назад

    If Brock Purdy won the MVP I seriously doubt you would have this take on the MVP award.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      And why is that? I said Purdy also didn’t necessarily deserve it - Also, the main point of the video isn’t that Lamar shouldn’t have won, it’s that he shouldn’t have been close to winning it unanimously. I’ve already made videos about this topic in the past (when Aaron Rodgers won in ‘14

  • @chatdaddychasechatdaddycha2271
    @chatdaddychasechatdaddycha2271 6 месяцев назад +1

    CMC or tyreek should’ve got it

  • @nathanlarson6535
    @nathanlarson6535 6 месяцев назад +1

    I have a very strong feeling the AP voters are all too opinionated and driven by narratives instead of judging mostly by objective stats and performance on the field alone. All the voters seem to have different parameters for what matters most for certain awards. How does Lamar get 49/50 MVP votes when at least 3 other players (not just QBs) had objectively better seasons? How does Myles Garrett win DPOY when multiple other defensive players had objectively more productive seasons? Did CJ Stroud win OROY just because he's a QB or did he really have a more historic season than Puka Nacua? And to top it off, "Comeback Player of the Year" can have wildly varying definitions depending on who you ask. Some say Damar Hamlin because of what happened in the Bengals game last year, despite him barely seeing the field at all this year. Some say Baker Mayfield because he had a solid season after looking completely cooked in Carolina and LA the previous year. Some say Flacco because he came off the couch and put up pretty good counting stats, getting the Browns into the playoffs despite having a small sample size of regular season games.
    I would at least like them to be much more transparent and create objective definitions of what they look for in certain awards. It seems like a total mess from top to bottom when 50 voters have 50 differing opinions of what each award should represent. The current system is incredibly flawed and needs a complete overhaul. It's just so confusing and it really takes away from the prestige and credibility that these awards have in the first place.
    One more analogy just for fun. The Grammys are done in a very similar way, even though nobody really cares about the Grammys anymore (for good reason). I will use Metallica as an example because I am a big Metallica fan. In 1989 it was the first time ever the Grammys had a category for "Best Heavy Metal Performance" and Metallica looked like the clear favorites to win, but they actually gave it to Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull wasn't even in the venue to accept the award because they felt they didn't deserve to win it, which was awkward. A few years later Metallica finally did win their first Grammy, but drummer Lars Ulrich joked that they only won because Jethro Tull didn't release an album that year. Metallica has won a few more since then, the most recent one being last month. However, there has been criticism that another (much newer and less known) band called Spiritbox should have won instead. Which only gives more fuel to the conspiracy theories that say the Grammys give out awards to big name acts that they personally feel are most deserving of continued recognition, not to the people that actually deserve it most.
    Call it a "make up" or "pity" award. I feel like the same thing happens sometimes with NFL awards as well. Even other leagues like the NBA, a lot of people think Embiid only won MVP last year because voters didn't want Jokic winning for a third time in a row, despite Jokic probably deserving it more. I don't know what solution would be better, but I do know something has to change. And don't even get me started on pro bowl voting!

    • @stevenhoene6297
      @stevenhoene6297 6 месяцев назад +2

      Make the awards be available to be voted on by the fans at this point. The fans would have more common sense than the ap voters being narrative driven

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      lots of great analogies in this comment, I appreciate it! The Embiid Jokic situation from last year was wild, so much baked into it.

  • @WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle
    @WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Месяц назад

    Thank you!! He wasn't even in the top 10 in some qb categories. All the analytics were against him.
    I would have voted for CMC.
    If we were doing a QB, i would pick Allen, the person who led the league in yards and touchdowns and the second lowest turnover worthy play rate of playoff QBs.

  • @elliotkastens5982
    @elliotkastens5982 6 месяцев назад +1

    5:47 Justin fields did in fact receive mvp votes in 2022, he finished 9th in voting

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      I'm referring to first place votes

  • @meansofproductionstudio8657
    @meansofproductionstudio8657 6 месяцев назад

    I do think your seed should be a major factor, but I absolutely agree that unanimous for Lamar last year is pretty nonsense.

  • @BillsMafia23
    @BillsMafia23 2 месяца назад

    If you see Lamars completions, the recievers for the most part are wide open. Even then his passes are off mark.

  • @WhoIsMike
    @WhoIsMike 6 месяцев назад

    To be fair. Lamar is a dual threat, so isolating his passing stats or rushing stats and using that as a justification isn’t very fair. With that being said, I do not believe he was the MVP.

    • @deliriousgeorge2879
      @deliriousgeorge2879 6 месяцев назад

      Isolating stats is the only reason Allen wasn’t MVP, specifically isolating his ints and excluding his yards and tds

  • @johnlewis8934
    @johnlewis8934 Месяц назад

    I believe that Lamar is the number 2 MVP in the league. That doesn’t make him the MVP for this season though

  • @joonapoltto5427
    @joonapoltto5427 6 месяцев назад +1

    Quality vid!

  • @ajarmetta
    @ajarmetta Месяц назад

    Just remember lamar fans said it was because of the OC in 2019 he loss agaianst the chief they made up more excuses

  • @thearchivist250
    @thearchivist250 6 месяцев назад

    His receiving corps was underwhelming , and you are stretching too hard to make his rushing mean nothing. I admit this was a weaker MVP finalist class. It’s like when Crash won the Oscar. Ok then.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Not saying he shouldn’t have won but unanimous is ridiculous

  • @Kp08og
    @Kp08og 6 месяцев назад

    Let’s call it what it is. The MVP award is simply “most popular QB” award, not even best QB anymore.

  • @ajarmetta
    @ajarmetta Месяц назад

    Lamar has only won mvp when his defense has been insane

  • @LouieOcean.
    @LouieOcean. 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mahomes should have probably won MVP every year since his 1st as a starter except the 1st time Lamar won the MVP.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад +1

      There's definitely an argument for that outside of this season. Chiefs defense and run game carried them to the playoffs

    • @russellseaton2014
      @russellseaton2014 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottone I agree with your statement. Except it was Mahomes who led the Chiefs down the field in regulation to score the tying FG in the Super Bowl. And it was Mahomes who led the team down the field in overtime to score the game winning TD in the Super Bowl. Maybe the correct thing to do is get rid of the regular season MVP award. Just give out medals for most passing yards, most rushing yards, most tackles, most sacks, most defense interceptions, most FGs made, etc. All objective. Then give the Super Bowl MVP to the person you "feel" was the best. Or most helped the team win the Super Bowl.

    • @user-tw5mm3sm6v
      @user-tw5mm3sm6v 12 дней назад

      @@russellseaton2014 and it was the chiefs defense that stepped up when their offense failed to score on 10 straight drives.

  • @moistlord5680
    @moistlord5680 6 месяцев назад +1

    I agree that Lamar shouldn’t have gotten unanimous voting but using a first round vote over Dak, Purdy or CMC should be shamed.

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, Dak gets largely forgotten, I just think he lost too many big games to keep him in the convo

    • @moistlord5680
      @moistlord5680 6 месяцев назад

      @@joericottone Eh the only games you can blame him on is the SF where he threw 3 picks and the Arizona game where he failed to dismantle that mediocre defense.
      Besides that his defense failed him with one stop in Miami game, the defense crumbled against the Bills in the exact same way with Green Bay and the first Eagles game was just a shootout.
      To your videos point defense is super important to the MVP award even though most of the candidates aren’t even defensive players,
      Like the most important game to the MVP race was Ravens vs 49ers, did Lamar make Purdy throw 4 interceptions? no of course not but in the MVP narrative it made Lamar look like he dismantled the SF defense when in reality he just thrived of those turnovers his defense gave him. The reason why I bring this up is because the opposite is used for Dak, when his defense just absolutely falls apart like in Buffalo it’s treated like he was the main reason they lost that game.

  • @LonelyJetsFan
    @LonelyJetsFan 6 месяцев назад

    I love ur vids man, ur the first “low” view channel ive seen that i think “DAMN HOW DO THEY NOT HAVE AT LEAST 100k VIEWS PER VID?!”

    • @joericottone
      @joericottone  6 месяцев назад

      Thanks so much bro, really appreciate that!!