While I own a Dodge 3500 dually for towing, had I bought just a 1/2 ton between all of the available trucks the Tundra would easily be my first choice.
Toyota is king as always.. great resale value and long lasting engine.. who cares about saving few dollars on gas.. its all about the truck running after 200k plus miles..
Toyota all the way I owned a Dodge before the Tundra I now own, should of went to the Toyota first. It's finally nice not visiting the dealer every month do to a problem or recall. The Tundra no problems good old Toyota QUALITY.
The Tundra will also spend less time in the shop, LOL. That said, it's time for Toyota to do something about the gas mileage on their 4.6L and 5.7L V8's.
Spencer Mason Ram a better truck hahahaha, it has a dial for the transmission, it's just another POS from FIAT, RAM = Request A Mechanic LMAO, take a look at their past reputation for reliability, the proof is in the pudding
Thank you for actually using real people and experienced off road drivers as a big factor. The points system and calculations going head to head is cool to know BUT a lot of a truck and especially off road is how it feels when you are driving it and seeing those judges loved the Tundra TRD Pro was great to see. I’ve driven a 2017 TRD Pro tundra and it was so an amazing feeling and looking truck on and off road. I have no purpose for a full size truck so I opted for the TRD Pro 4runner which I absolutely love. But you can’t go wrong with any of the trd pros whether it’s the 4Runner TRD Pro, Tacoma TRD Pro, or Tundra TRD Pro. Love how the TRD Pro lineups look and feel.
Dodge Challenger ram/didge/Jeep etc..face in general are always near the bottom in reliability. They are def not known for reliability. Obviously not every vehicle but on average compared to toyota it’s not even a competition. Toyota might have outdated tech and infotainment and outdated motors even though they last forever, but if I’m dropping that much on a truck or spending money on any vehicle, Toyota has two important things going for them, reliability and value. Toyota is legendary for their reliability and how they retain their value. I’ll take that over fancy modern interior and infotainment that you will enjoy for a while but what’s the point if none of it is gonna be used if the truck don’t work or spending tons of money in the shop.
TRD FTW. Toyota Truck are extremely capable once they are outfitted with the right parts like the TRD parts. Also the 5.7 liter tundra is a very fast truck.. and thats before you add the TRD blower to the 5.7 then output jumps to 550hp. I want to see a TRD PRO Tundra with the TRD supercharger.
Very true... but these are factory tested in house products im sure Toyota TRD wouldnt make a supercharger for the masses that will mess up the engine.
I watched the entire video but from the start I knew the Yota was the clear winner. always has and always will be. yeah sure the raptor this the raptor that but at the end of the day it's still an unreliable Ford. and why wouldn't you want to build your own prerunner instead of buying one? that's the best part about a project Truck
+Ya Boi CC my ram has 190,000 miles and the frame didnt rot out from under it, its towed and dragged scrap its whole life and lights the tires up. sorry, a dodge is better.
+hemigodre yeah, past to present reliability ratings say it all lol, look up how well Dodge Chrysler and Jeep compare to Toyota for reliability, the proof is in the pudding
+hemigodre i was always told dont bother with dodge they suck..growing up in sagainw michigan one of the hubs of chevy....I always had a love for Ram even owned one..until i got one found out what pieces of garbage I was told all along they were...motor busted a yr into lease as well as ball joints needed replacing 2 months into the lease....ford chevy toyota...even nissan better then the pieces of junk dodge puts out anyday!
I think these are very comparable vehicles in every sense. Judges opinions or not, this one is purely a preference call on what badge you want. I think most people wanted the Rebel to be a Ram Runner outfitted from the factory and compete against the Raptor. Over all, I think more people will opt for the Tacoma over the Tundra. It fits that segment mold better. If they are not a Toyota fan and want that vehicle to go camping with, then they will probably pick the Rebel over other models if they have the money. It comes back to being good at the task at hand, or being a vehicle you can live with since its $50k. The Rebel is definitely better daily driver with a more comfortable suspension, usable storage solutions, better fuel economy, and better in cab entertainment.
I like these head-to-head tests. Keep them coming PickupTrucks.com! Just make certain you continue to acknowledge and separate your objective vise subjective tests so we know what's quantifiable verses someone's personal opinion; that’s what separates your work from the chaff.
This is why you get what you pay for, I know everyone watching this has heard it. There is a reason that Dodge Ram was able to do " half off" ram trucks... There is a reason... They are not built even close to the same quality standards that Toyota has. Toyota Tundra 100% USA built, produced in San Antonio Texas. I like my American Truck!
Something about Chrysler using a 8-speed and adjustable suspension is very disconcerting. Their products were always the least reliable and biggest pieces of junk with drum brakes and a manual let alone anything advanced. Toyota on the other hand has a reputation for quality and reliability, their 4x4s are near bulletproof.
Bull shit... We had a Ford F-350 and it sucked... The level of performance between our new Ram 3500 and out f-350 is night and day... I'll take Ram any day
+Zinizzle apparently you haven't been paying attention recently then, pretty much reversed now. your "yotas" are the worst selling and least reliable on the market.
It takes 6 months to build a Rolls Royce and 13 hours to build a toyota... i love both trucks. but this is Rams 1st Gen REBEL. This is Toyota's product of many years of fine tuning(Tundra). The REBEL does almost as good and this is their first product for that exact truck.
In Ontario Canada The TRD Pro is about $8K+ more than the Rebel and doesn't have bead locks or BFG tires like the one in your vid seems to have. And a 4 month wait for a TRD Pro.
+Ya Boi CC I have a 98 Dakota still running strong. But there is a Toyota Sequoia in the shop rn. So yea people are stupid posting shit like this. Get the facts every manufacture has its flaws.
390merc65 there are way more toyota trucks sold worldwide than all domestics put together, you have to look at the big picture, there are plenty of countries outside your borders
Interesting. If im not mistaken, the Ram uses coil or (airbag?) rear suspension while the Tundra uses the leafs. You'd think the leaf springs would give a bit less articulation but I'm guessing thats where the open rear C channel comes into play allowing it to flex some more. I want to see RTI numbers.
+CACressida I think the frame had little do with it. You can have leafs springs and still design them to have more movement than you're average coil setup.
TommyGun lol the air springs in a land rover cannot handle rough off roadding. Toyota has won a Baja 1000 race with a stock truck, has the land rover done it with a stock vehicle? Yup that's what I thought.
As a die hard dodge man I'm sadly agreeing with your judges it just seems the ram brand has decided to go with gimmicks rather than superb engineering rather than there usual out of the box thinking and innovations. I truly hope the developers see this comparison
Its not ram its fiat/Chrysler the rams power and speed is mopar and fiat almost took that over so there wasn't much time for the real power and potential for a good built ram
I haven't read the other comments ,but I think they should also add in the differences down the line of these 1/2 ton trucks not just the top end models... to see even if you can't get the pro or the rebel you can still see what would be better off with... just a thought
Note that the Tundra came equipped with BFG AT KO's and the Ram looks like Toyo AT2's. I truly wonder how this test would have ended if they were on the same tires.
Tundra is the best half ton truck out there. It's the most reliable, dependable, powerful and has least problems and recalls of any trucks. When you add time and gas spent on driving to the repair shop to fix a recall or repair something under warranty, then tundra becomes number one choice. Also, holds its value better than any truck.
Toyota has tweaked the Tundra yet again for 2016, making it an even better and quieter ride. They've even apparently improved the traction control system. The fuel economy of the big 5.7L V8 hasn't changed, but it's still one darn sweet truck - and I don't mind paying a bit more at the pump for that. Yes, I now own a 2016 Tundra Limited 4x4 CrewMax (Sunset Bronze, Sand Beige leather interior, Entune Premium audio, moonroof, running boards, dealer-installed BFG TA KO2 tires, front winch, tonneau cover, etc). I've lived in this house for some time, owning a number of vehicles. When I got that Tundra home, I accidentally did a short burnout on the front uphill driveway. Never did that before. Was also surprised to see both tires spun evenly, not one side or the other.
+Alex Tran Less problems staying/lingering/sitting on dealer lots true. Ram sales up 11% vs. Tundra DOWN 9% so far this year. Ram has 450% more sales to date...35k vs.155k. So in 10 years you think 4 1/2 Rams will be 'off duty' for every 1 Toyota?
Head to Head, keep them coming, keep personal opinions out and just provide the numbers. they are the ones that tell the whole story, not who liked what and why?
+Viren S whatever who calls me fool either. RAM and toyota even as chevy are kings. but ram and toyota are in their high thrones. Ram is also super durable and reliable
+Toyota Avanza then why does Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep never make it in the top 10 brands in past to present reliability ratings, hell they are always at the bottom of the barrel and Toyota and Lexus are always at the top, Toyota and Dodge should never be mentioned in the same sentence lol
Awesome, Toyota Tundras are my joints! They last longer than expected, but that's if you take good care of it. About Dodge Rams, those aren't my joints at all, but Toyota Tundras are, cuz if you drive a Dodge Ram on the dirt, dirt road, or on a sand dune, you can drive a Dodge Ram on those as fast as 5-10mph. For Toyota Tundras, you can drive those on the dirt as fast as 50mph. I have more joints on Toyota Tundras than Dodge Rams. YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You won't see a trd supercharger available for 2014- present models of the 5.7 tundra for awhile. Toyota hasn't fixed the piston ring problem the tundra gets when supercharged, big issue with pre-detonation and now won't sell you warranty with the supercharger. Also there isn't a flash tune for the new trucks for any residents living in areas that get winter temperatures.
Try to find a TRD PRO!!! There are only 3 showing up on cars.com!!! To each their own, but the interior & infotainment system in the Rebel destroys the TRD and you can save several thousand dollars by going Rebel!!! But I can't afford either one until I get my minivan paid for lol!!! Happy Trails😎
If one was actually interested in extreme offroad situations they wouldn't be concerned with stock capabilities. Long Travel rules the desert and solid axles rule rock crawling. Toyota's are a better platform for modification because of their reliability, simple as that.
For me..nothing beats personal experience. Ram is defiantly the choice for me. Better comfort, better gas milage, and have yet to get it stuck. Can't say that for my Toyota.
you know, even though the rebel lost you gotta take into account that it was at a disadvantage. it wasnt designed with hardcore offroading in mind. its just supposed to be an upgrade from the 1500. the tundra on the other hand is much more purpose built.
I've owned a 2006 Toyota Tundra and a 2013 Dodge Durango and the dodge in the year I owned it was at the dealer 5 times for repair. In the 9 years I owned my Tundra it never needed a single repair and it had more than 30 thousand miles of off road abuse. Toyotas are superior!
Considering the fact that the Tundra is a relatively new truck (oldest model is 1999) I would say that as of now, there are more 1999+ Rams on the road than Tundras. I think it's still to early to be able to tell if the TRD Pro will be reliable after heavy use.
there should be more Dodges than Tundra's on the road considering that they sold probably 5 times as many trucks, the question is how much will it cost to keep a Dodge running for 20 years compared to a Tundra
+guy proulx Considering the price of a new Tundra is always about $3k - $7k more than a Ram, and parts for the Ram are cheaper, I'll go ahead and say it's easier to maintain the Ram. My Ram is 11 years old, and at 150k miles, it's still relatively "new."
Yea but at what cost to maintain that truck? True Tundra cost more but in the long run it's still cheaper to maintain the Tundra due to its QDR history
Brian Ashworth even if you paid 3 to 7k more for a Tundra you'll get it back on resale value, i've owned domestics in the past and i can tell you that my '03 Tundra has been far more reliable over the years
electronic lockers makes the driver not be in control of the lockers system meaning that manuel switches enabled one to diffinetly be in control of the driving situations instead of hoping a locker is going to kick in when it wants to
I wonder if your average driver would notice a difference. It seems to me that both trucks are very good trucks. With test results that close, I would think it would come down to personal preference.
This was the most pointless point system ever. Like, who cares about exterior noise. I'm inside the truck, I don't care how loud it is out side. And how can you allow so called expert review be 25% of your points. Go off physical evidence so you don't have a biased view.
+loyal4 the way I'm not calling Toyota perfect. When compared to Chrysler they look really good. The Chrysler trucks have been plagued with many problems over the years. Weak ball joints, defective tie rods, easily cracked dashboard, cab water leaks, poor steering box connection to the frame, poor diesel software for turbo control, weak diesel transmission (auto and manual clutch).
+Sergeant “Chicago” Snuber I have a well modified older Jeep that's less Chrysler and more other. I have a Dodge truck. It's why I know about deficient Chrysler quality control. I have also lemon law'd a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. Next vehicle will not be a Chrysler, Nissan or GM product. I will also skip anything with a CVT transmission.
anyone felt this was a bias test?. the rebel won and then they add the human factor. 5 paid guys from toyota. and by the way the toyota its 10k more expensive, here in Louisiana.
+Prison Mike one way or another everyone will see that all toyotas are nothing to any american 4wd truck or suv , i have at least 78 live and video proofs , but my advice to every one who says otherwise , rent the two , try them and see which one you can rely on offroading , i lost huge amount of money to learn that when i was thinking just like u and made the biggest mistake of my life when i bought toyota fj cruiser , although i have a very good offroad driving experience but i was winched out countless times by either jeeps , chevys,or fords and i was amazed how all of them made it easily through whatever my fj failed at , so i sold it rightaway and lost alot of money back then but i was happy that i got rid of it at last ,and never again will have any offroad truck other than american ones
I'd rather have the Tundra than the RAM, since I want a truck that won't break down after only 100,000 miles. An F-150 or Silverado would be fine too, but I never want to even touch that Chrysler crap with the reliability of a happy meal toy.
The only reason the Ram can last longer than a cereal box toy is because they have engines built by Cummins instead of Chrysler. Chrysler is infamous for their realiability problems. On the other hand, Toyota trucks are renowned world wide because they're virtually indestructible and can outlive anything. Not that it matters though, since I drive a Chevy - also a good truck.
Leif Giering I have some news for you. I had a 1988 Dodge with a 318 v8 that lasted nearly 400,000 miles. I currently have a 1985 Dodge with over 200,000 on it. You can find thousands of newer 5.7Hemi Ram's in good running condition with over 200,000 miles. You also fail to remember that the entire truck around the cummins is built by Dodge/RAM, and lasts the same 1-3 million miles. You display your complete lack of knowledge.
Leif Giering I drive a 2011 Ram and I use my truck like a truck it's got over 110 k miles on it so far never had any issues with it. Routine maintenance and fill it with fuel. Damn good truck. I do like the tundra though
did I say the Colorado and canyon ? no I meant gm twins as a whole in the truck market which yes Ford and GM owns the overall market by a large margin, the Tacoma sales but the tundra is a complete outdated after thought and alot of us want a half ton or larger truck
bryce850 i taught the canyon and colorado were the GM twins, am i missing something here?, isn't the Tundra a half ton? just because Ford and GM sell more trucks has nothing to do with quality or reliability, in fact Ford and GM barely ever make the top 10 list in reliability ratings, Toyota and Lexus lead the pack
If Toyota included e-lockers front and rear plus crawl control in the 2017 tundra trd off road package they'd soon be king in capability even over the power wagon.
Im proud owner of TUNDRA 2019 and i love it!!!
TheJctloera me too!!!
While I own a Dodge 3500 dually for towing, had I bought just a 1/2 ton between all of the available trucks the Tundra would easily be my first choice.
Dodge wins in all categories of "don't give a shit", Tundra wins in all the "what really matters categories"
Take both trucks to 300,000 miles and come back to tell us which is still going. My guess would be the Tundra.
My 05 silverado 5.3l vortex has 386,000 miles on it and no problems at all, it's not the most powerful truck but it does the job.
That's right baby! I'm a proud owner of a Tundra. Thanks for a great video guys!
who cares about the fueleconomy and sound inside a cab when you're doing it off road comparison
Toyota is king as always.. great resale value and long lasting engine.. who cares about saving few dollars on gas.. its all about the truck running after 200k plus miles..
Damn i love that Tundra.
Toyota all the way I owned a Dodge before the Tundra I now own, should of went to the Toyota first. It's finally nice not visiting the dealer every month do to a problem or recall. The Tundra no problems good old Toyota QUALITY.
The Tundra will also spend less time in the shop, LOL.
That said, it's time for Toyota to do something about the gas mileage on their 4.6L and 5.7L V8's.
It is the same mpg as a 5.4 ford. When you want performance, gas don't count.
dude its hard to kill a dodge ram
and the ram would out run a tundra its basically all around a better truck
Spencer Mason Ram a better truck hahahaha, it has a dial for the transmission, it's just another POS from FIAT, RAM = Request A Mechanic LMAO, take a look at their past reputation for reliability, the proof is in the pudding
NovaMan 350 are those Dodge trucks all with diesel engines? and remember that Dodge doesn't build the Cummins engine
Just throwing my 2 cents here..I would take my 2010 Tundra over any current year dodge.
YOu got that right. I have never owned a Dodge and they are a good truck, but just like Tundra better.
yeah and u would take a truck that mobnles its butt off on off set speed bumps
djapsulion me if i waddles and flexes like a peice of paper vs dodge chevy and maybe even ford wouldnt even flex as bad as the toyota
uuuuhhh , its meant to flex !
Shit, I'd take my 02 Tacoma sr5 over any Ram!
Thank you for actually using real people and experienced off road drivers as a big factor. The points system and calculations going head to head is cool to know BUT a lot of a truck and especially off road is how it feels when you are driving it and seeing those judges loved the Tundra TRD Pro was great to see. I’ve driven a 2017 TRD Pro tundra and it was so an amazing feeling and looking truck on and off road. I have no purpose for a full size truck so I opted for the TRD Pro 4runner which I absolutely love. But you can’t go wrong with any of the trd pros whether it’s the 4Runner TRD Pro, Tacoma TRD Pro, or Tundra TRD Pro. Love how the TRD Pro lineups look and feel.
Toyota trucks are legendary! That Tundra looks like a beast!
It looks like a beast because it is a beast
Can it Cook rice?
+Abandoned TN No half ton is a beast, lol.
+axtra92 if you need rice to meet your vegan caloric intake...? then yes it will cook your rice for ya.
+Zinizzle toyotas are ugly and garbage if you want a truck get a muscly truck not some Japanese crap.
Toyota Tundra are the best built trucks which is a FACT!
Dodge Challenger ram/didge/Jeep etc..face in general are always near the bottom in reliability. They are def not known for reliability. Obviously not every vehicle but on average compared to toyota it’s not even a competition. Toyota might have outdated tech and infotainment and outdated motors even though they last forever, but if I’m dropping that much on a truck or spending money on any vehicle, Toyota has two important things going for them, reliability and value. Toyota is legendary for their reliability and how they retain their value. I’ll take that over fancy modern interior and infotainment that you will enjoy for a while but what’s the point if none of it is gonna be used if the truck don’t work or spending tons of money in the shop.
See the ford f-150 is the best selling truck...that tells you somthin (your wrong)
McDonald's is the best selling burgers too but there quality is shit.
TRD FTW. Toyota Truck are extremely capable once they are outfitted with the right parts like the TRD parts. Also the 5.7 liter tundra is a very fast truck.. and thats before you add the TRD blower to the 5.7 then output jumps to 550hp.
I want to see a TRD PRO Tundra with the TRD supercharger.
+Toyota4Life Yea, but what happens when you add the super-charger to the hemi in the Ram?
+Kevin Smith both will be powerful but tundra will be the more reliable engine.
Do you want to be reliable or fast? Its a tradeoff when you start boosting.
Very true... but these are factory tested in house products im sure Toyota TRD wouldnt make a supercharger for the masses that will mess up the engine.
+Toyota4Life
I want to see a TRD PRO Tundra with the TRD supercharger"
that would be a beast :D
By the way, about me returning, my first planned vehicle is gonna be this: The Toyota Tundra.
tundra alway on top
Tundra TRD Pro all day every day
Tundra all the way!!! Love my tundra!
I'm sorry but noise and mpg are two things any off road truck owner doesn't care about. Pretty weak points for the ram. Toyota all the way.
The Tundra TRD PRO ,1 Badass Truck with lots of Brute 2 it.
I watched the entire video but from the start I knew the Yota was the clear winner. always has and always will be. yeah sure the raptor this the raptor that but at the end of the day it's still an unreliable Ford. and why wouldn't you want to build your own prerunner instead of buying one? that's the best part about a project Truck
That was a truly well rounded test... I own a tundra platinum with all the trd parts. Lol
Tundra FTW, the Rebel at the end of the day is a RAM, and that automatically looses. I bet that Tundra will be on the road decades more than the Ram.
+Ya Boi CC my ram has 190,000 miles and the frame didnt rot out from under it, its towed and dragged scrap its whole life and lights the tires up. sorry, a dodge is better.
+hemigodre yeah, past to present reliability ratings say it all lol, look up how well Dodge Chrysler and Jeep compare to Toyota for reliability, the proof is in the pudding
guy proulx Not to mention the better resale value Toyota has.
***** yes, we can't forget about that too lol
+hemigodre i was always told dont bother with dodge they suck..growing up in sagainw michigan one of the hubs of chevy....I always had a love for Ram even owned one..until i got one found out what pieces of garbage I was told all along they were...motor busted a yr into lease as well as ball joints needed replacing 2 months into the lease....ford chevy toyota...even nissan better then the pieces of junk dodge puts out anyday!
I have to admit, that Tundra is dope.
I think these are very comparable vehicles in every sense. Judges opinions or not, this one is purely a preference call on what badge you want. I think most people wanted the Rebel to be a Ram Runner outfitted from the factory and compete against the Raptor.
Over all, I think more people will opt for the Tacoma over the Tundra. It fits that segment mold better. If they are not a Toyota fan and want that vehicle to go camping with, then they will probably pick the Rebel over other models if they have the money. It comes back to being good at the task at hand, or being a vehicle you can live with since its $50k. The Rebel is definitely better daily driver with a more comfortable suspension, usable storage solutions, better fuel economy, and better in cab entertainment.
Toyota has been the best since it made the first truck in 1935 .
Great review!. Only forgot one important category, towing!
I like these head-to-head tests. Keep them coming PickupTrucks.com! Just make certain you continue to acknowledge and separate your objective vise subjective tests so we know what's quantifiable verses someone's personal opinion; that’s what separates your work from the chaff.
1 word, reliability.
This is why you get what you pay for, I know everyone watching this has heard it. There is a reason that Dodge Ram was able to do " half off" ram trucks... There is a reason... They are not built even close to the same quality standards that Toyota has. Toyota Tundra 100% USA built, produced in San Antonio Texas. I like my American Truck!
+TJ420Hunt Twitch.TV You mean your Japanese truck, built on US soil to avoid having to pay import taxes, and only 60% American made.
@@kingdaniel3519 IKR his check to Toyota still goes to Japan.
Something about Chrysler using a 8-speed and adjustable suspension is very disconcerting. Their products were always the least reliable and biggest pieces of junk with drum brakes and a manual let alone anything advanced. Toyota on the other hand has a reputation for quality and reliability, their 4x4s are near bulletproof.
Bull shit... We had a Ford F-350 and it sucked... The level of performance between our new Ram 3500 and out f-350 is night and day... I'll take Ram any day
+Zinizzle apparently you haven't been paying attention recently then, pretty much reversed now. your "yotas" are the worst selling and least reliable on the market.
+Zinizzle Get a Power Wagon. Toyota won't be mentioned ever again.
+duffmann3 which brand between Toyota and Dodge has the best reliability ratings past to present?
It takes 6 months to build a Rolls Royce and 13 hours to build a toyota... i love both trucks. but this is Rams 1st Gen REBEL. This is Toyota's product of many years of fine tuning(Tundra). The REBEL does almost as good and this is their first product for that exact truck.
Fantastic review, I've seen this video a dozen times and still think it's great!
In Ontario Canada The TRD Pro is about $8K+ more than the Rebel and doesn't have bead locks or BFG tires like the one in your vid seems to have. And a 4 month wait for a TRD Pro.
Excellent review and to the point...the TRD Pro is really the best all around...not to mention Toyota's proven reliability...
The 2015 Tundra is a nice truck. But I'll keep my 2015 Ram Sport. Nicest looking truck on the road and it handles what I do perfectly.
Seven years later I am willing to bet that the Ram Sport is not as reliable as the Toyota Tundra.
Tundra wins, Toyota has always made boss trucks.
+Ya Boi CC I have a 98 Dakota still running strong. But there is a Toyota Sequoia in the shop rn. So yea people are stupid posting shit like this. Get the facts every manufacture has its flaws.
+Jonathan Montes boi don't even start, Toyota is best fact.
+Jonathan Montes some have way more flaws than others
390merc65 there are way more toyota trucks sold worldwide than all domestics put together, you have to look at the big picture, there are plenty of countries outside your borders
390merc65 still there are more people buying Toyota worldwide than any other manufacturer
This is a beautiful area. Where was it filmed?
Interesting. If im not mistaken, the Ram uses coil or (airbag?) rear suspension while the Tundra uses the leafs. You'd think the leaf springs would give a bit less articulation but I'm guessing thats where the open rear C channel comes into play allowing it to flex some more. I want to see RTI numbers.
+CACressida Yes, the Toyota's frame will twist more. Most Domestic pickup trucks pride themselves on frame stiffness.
+CACressida I think the frame had little do with it. You can have leafs springs and still design them to have more movement than you're average coil setup.
+Kevin Smith Except when it comes to there medium duty trucks. Suddenly stiffer boxed frames aren't so important.
+emdec55 probably why the trd pro has less tow and haul capacity. Softer and flexy suspension.
+Kevin Smith I don't see much twist from the Tundra here 1:05 and here 1:17, just a lot of suspension travel.
The tundra wins easy, its better equipped, and better built. Who in the hell wants an air suspension in an off-road truck lol
+george palacios Land Rover...
TommyGun lol the air springs in a land rover cannot handle rough off roadding. Toyota has won a Baja 1000 race with a stock truck, has the land rover done it with a stock vehicle? Yup that's what I thought.
+george palacios I guess you never heard of the Camel Trophy
Actually, the tundra had different shocks on baja :(
+Karen Warner why are u mad Hahaaha
i love comments! toyota lovers congrads 👍
I have a 14 tundra Trd it will still be able to do this challenge in ten years , doubt you’ll say the same about the ram
As a die hard dodge man I'm sadly agreeing with your judges it just seems the ram brand has decided to go with gimmicks rather than superb engineering rather than there usual out of the box thinking and innovations. I truly hope the developers see this comparison
Its not ram its fiat/Chrysler the rams power and speed is mopar and fiat almost took that over so there wasn't much time for the real power and potential for a good built ram
I haven't read the other comments ,but I think they should also add in the differences down the line of these 1/2 ton trucks not just the top end models... to see even if you can't get the pro or the rebel you can still see what would be better off with... just a thought
Note that the Tundra came equipped with BFG AT KO's and the Ram looks like Toyo AT2's. I truly wonder how this test would have ended if they were on the same tires.
Tundra is the best half ton truck out there. It's the most reliable, dependable, powerful and has least problems and recalls of any trucks. When you add time and gas spent on driving to the repair shop to fix a recall or repair something under warranty, then tundra becomes number one choice. Also, holds its value better than any truck.
Lol that ram will he gone in like 2-3 years if someone bought it
Toyota has tweaked the Tundra yet again for 2016, making it an even better and quieter ride. They've even apparently improved the traction control system. The fuel economy of the big 5.7L V8 hasn't changed, but it's still one darn sweet truck - and I don't mind paying a bit more at the pump for that.
Yes, I now own a 2016 Tundra Limited 4x4 CrewMax (Sunset Bronze, Sand Beige leather interior, Entune Premium audio, moonroof, running boards, dealer-installed BFG TA KO2 tires, front winch, tonneau cover, etc). I've lived in this house for some time, owning a number of vehicles. When I got that Tundra home, I accidentally did a short burnout on the front uphill driveway. Never did that before. Was also surprised to see both tires spun evenly, not one side or the other.
Can you test both of these trucks after they both have 100,000 miles on them? See which truck has had the least amount of problems.
probably the yota would have less problems
+Alex Tran Less problems staying/lingering/sitting on dealer lots true. Ram sales up 11% vs. Tundra DOWN 9% so far this year. Ram has 450% more sales to date...35k vs.155k. So in 10 years you think 4 1/2 Rams will be 'off duty' for every 1 Toyota?
sales numbers have nothing to do with reliability, McDonalds sells billions of burgers every year and the beef they use is garbage
Head to Head, keep them coming, keep personal opinions out and just provide the numbers. they are the ones that tell the whole story, not who liked what and why?
in my country anyone who chooses a chrysler product over a toyota is considered a fool
+Viren S America could learn a lot from your country it seems.
buy what you want most truck owners don't run their truck this hard anyway to tell the difference
+Viren S whatever who calls me fool either. RAM and toyota even as chevy are kings. but ram and toyota are in their high thrones. Ram is also super durable and reliable
+Toyota Avanza then why does Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep never make it in the top 10 brands in past to present reliability ratings, hell they are always at the bottom of the barrel and Toyota and Lexus are always at the top, Toyota and Dodge should never be mentioned in the same sentence lol
guy proulx I hate brand Nazis
Once you drive a tundra you wont change to an other car, and u feel like a boss 😎 specially 5.7 fu..ing torque power
Awesome, Toyota Tundras are my joints! They last longer than expected, but that's if you take good care of it. About Dodge Rams, those aren't my joints at all, but Toyota Tundras are, cuz if you drive a Dodge Ram on the dirt, dirt road, or on a sand dune, you can drive a Dodge Ram on those as fast as 5-10mph. For Toyota Tundras, you can drive those on the dirt as fast as 50mph. I have more joints on Toyota Tundras than Dodge Rams.
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Great effort on a great test.
You won't see a trd supercharger available for 2014- present models of the 5.7 tundra for awhile. Toyota hasn't fixed the piston ring problem the tundra gets when supercharged, big issue with pre-detonation and now won't sell you warranty with the supercharger. Also there isn't a flash tune for the new trucks for any residents living in areas that get winter temperatures.
Both sweet trucks. Would love to own either of them.
Try to find a TRD PRO!!! There are only 3 showing up on cars.com!!! To each their own, but the interior & infotainment system in the Rebel destroys the TRD and you can save several thousand dollars by going Rebel!!! But I can't afford either one until I get my minivan paid for lol!!! Happy Trails😎
If one was actually interested in extreme offroad situations they wouldn't be concerned with stock capabilities. Long Travel rules the desert and solid axles rule rock crawling. Toyota's are a better platform for modification because of their reliability, simple as that.
I just purchased the Rebel and it is an awesome truck! Check it out!
This guy works for dodge
Very thorough test, kudos
TOYOTA HAS SMASHED ANOTHER AMERICAN 100,000 MILE P.O.S TOYOTA ALL DAY EVERY DAY THEY ARE THE REIGNING CHAMPS IN OFF ROAD.
But What so better in off road . "Tacoma? Tundra? 150 Raptor?
+Caio Rios
tacoma its lighter on top of that I could beat on it and still hold its value.
Raptor is the best off Road Truck. Its been proven a few times now.
no the dodge ram runner
Nothing beats the power wagon for the most off road capable truck. But the TRD tundra and Raptor are better and more advance than the rebel!!
so basically, the Rebel won initially, but no one liked that, so you added another category.
+Justin Martinez dodge trucks are big pieces of plastic junk..that stall once it rains...pieces of big junk!
+sam garcia well that just might be the dumbest argument ive ever heard.
Justin Martinez they just waited for the end because how the truck feels is also important. That's why dealers allow you to test drive their vehicles.
For me..nothing beats personal experience. Ram is defiantly the choice for me. Better comfort, better gas milage, and have yet to get it stuck. Can't say that for my Toyota.
As always Toyota dominated Dodge making them really stand by the meaning of there name To Avoid =]
@Dodge Challenger Haha, I think your talking about the BMW. Dodge could never compete with an actual TOYOTA supra.
Your kidding, right? The Supra was slow as shit. 13.8 in a quarter. What a joke.
you know, even though the rebel lost you gotta take into account that it was at a disadvantage. it wasnt designed with hardcore offroading in mind. its just supposed to be an upgrade from the 1500. the tundra on the other hand is much more purpose built.
I've owned a 2006 Toyota Tundra and a 2013 Dodge Durango and the dodge in the year I owned it was at the dealer 5 times for repair. In the 9 years I owned my Tundra it never needed a single repair and it had more than 30 thousand miles of off road abuse. Toyotas are superior!
Tundra is better (QDR.....quality dependability and reliability) and way better resale values
Considering the fact that the Tundra is a relatively new truck (oldest model is 1999) I would say that as of now, there are more 1999+ Rams on the road than Tundras. I think it's still to early to be able to tell if the TRD Pro will be reliable after heavy use.
there should be more Dodges than Tundra's on the road considering that they sold probably 5 times as many trucks, the question is how much will it cost to keep a Dodge running for 20 years compared to a Tundra
+guy proulx Considering the price of a new Tundra is always about $3k - $7k more than a Ram, and parts for the Ram are cheaper, I'll go ahead and say it's easier to maintain the Ram. My Ram is 11 years old, and at 150k miles, it's still relatively "new."
Yea but at what cost to maintain that truck? True Tundra cost more but in the long run it's still cheaper to maintain the Tundra due to its QDR history
Brian Ashworth even if you paid 3 to 7k more for a Tundra you'll get it back on resale value, i've owned domestics in the past and i can tell you that my '03 Tundra has been far more reliable over the years
electronic lockers makes the driver not be in control of the lockers system meaning that manuel switches enabled one to diffinetly be in control of the driving situations instead of hoping a locker is going to kick in when it wants to
How was it "so close" if the only thing the Ram won at was mpg, being quiet, and one of the 4 races? That makes no sense haha
+Christian Barajas Didn't you hear the man say 15 tests? You named 3.
wiibaron he named the three where Ram won. Toyota won in all the others.
One is a beautiful well crafted vehicle. The other comes from the ass clowns at daimler chrysler
Lol uh huh
That's a nice tundra, my next pick up will be a tundra or an f150, I'm still not sure, I like both
I wonder if your average driver would notice a difference. It seems to me that both trucks are very good trucks. With test results that close, I would think it would come down to personal preference.
i love both these trucks so much
I thought RAM rebel was the shit, before watching this video.
+WiseSloth ForBernieSanders Bernie Sanders is poo poo. I do like my Tundra though ;o)
Your right. Rams are just shit
Wooo i like the TRD for Toyota Tundra
Be nice if they would say the transfercase and axle ratios when talking about the final drive ratios.
I’m a proud owner of the 2019 Toyota Tundra SR-5 crewmax , I smoke the Hemi , get a Tundra 👍🏼❤️
Beautiful shot at 5:54!
Lol...look at the ram chattering on the mini moguls...
This was the most pointless point system ever. Like, who cares about exterior noise. I'm inside the truck, I don't care how loud it is out side. And how can you allow so called expert review be 25% of your points. Go off physical evidence so you don't have a biased view.
LOL you're an idiot!
Well that wasnt nice, I was just voicing an opinion.
+MrTrip3ace I agree. They said RAM won but then used their "expert" opinions to give the toyota more points. I think Toyota is signing their bonuses.
I wish we could get the TRD PRO in Canada!!
Too much with dollar and they just offered it for $60K+! Plus the warranty goes away, seems fair!
+miklar1971 i've owned 3 Toyota vehicles and never needed to use the warranty
+miklar1971 You can buy them in Canada. At my dealer here in ontario we had a grey one that just went.
miklar1971 We can now. Actually, the Canadian TRD Pro can have a sunroof, while the American ones can't.
Ram has always been built to tow... They are superior in the class... We have a new Ram 3500... Badass
Jack Rotter yeah but not everyone needs a tow truck
I'd take the Ram Rebel 👍😊
Me too
The toyota didn't "seem" lighter. It was lighter. nearly 2000k lighter and a better AWD system and high ground clearance and better quality parts.
Saw this video after buying my TRD Pro, good thing I went with the Toyota...but really who wants a vehicle from a company that needed a bailout?
The empirical testing does not take into account the poor quality of Fiat/Chrysler vs Toyota.
+loyal4 the way I'm not calling Toyota perfect. When compared to Chrysler they look really good. The Chrysler trucks have been plagued with many problems over the years. Weak ball joints, defective tie rods, easily cracked dashboard, cab water leaks, poor steering box connection to the frame, poor diesel software for turbo control, weak diesel transmission (auto and manual clutch).
+loyal4 the way
What car company do you know that produces cars that are all reliable? There's no logic in your comment.
+Sergeant “Chicago” Snuber I have a well modified older Jeep that's less Chrysler and more other. I have a Dodge truck. It's why I know about deficient Chrysler quality control. I have also lemon law'd a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. Next vehicle will not be a Chrysler, Nissan or GM product. I will also skip anything with a CVT transmission.
+H0okemh0rns stfu peasant and drive your Hyundai.
+Ray Cheng last time I checked dodge have been making cars more than Toyota sell.
Ram Rebel and tundra TRD are monsters of durability.. GO BOTH RAM AND TOYOTA. add CHEVY!
The power wagon would be a better competitor. That said the Ram would probably break down before the Toyota had its first oil change.
anyone felt this was a bias test?. the rebel won and then they add the human factor. 5 paid guys from toyota. and by the way the toyota its 10k more expensive, here in Louisiana.
kruellag the way a vehicle feels is also very important; it's the whole idea behind test drives at dealerships.
where is this?
I know right, beautiful desert landscape California has outside of big cities.
To be honest, it seemed like they tried to make it seem a lot closer than it actually was. The Tundra is far more capable and costs far less.
+Prison Mike one way or another everyone will see that all toyotas are nothing to any american 4wd truck or suv , i have at least 78 live and video proofs , but my advice to every one who says otherwise , rent the two , try them and see which one you can rely on offroading , i lost huge amount of money to learn that when i was thinking just like u and made the biggest mistake of my life when i bought toyota fj cruiser , although i have a very good offroad driving experience but i was winched out countless times by either jeeps , chevys,or fords and i was amazed how all of them made it easily through whatever my fj failed at , so i sold it rightaway and lost alot of money back then but i was happy that i got rid of it at last ,and never again will have any offroad truck other than american ones
depends who's sitting behind the wheel lol
+ahmed cherokee tundras are from texas
ahmed cherokee how can you lose money on an FJ Cruiser, they have the highest resale in the business
RUST !!!
How much did Toyota pay you guys?
I'd rather have the Tundra than the RAM, since I want a truck that won't break down after only 100,000 miles. An F-150 or Silverado would be fine too, but I never want to even touch that Chrysler crap with the reliability of a happy meal toy.
The only reason the Ram can last longer than a cereal box toy is because they have engines built by Cummins instead of Chrysler. Chrysler is infamous for their realiability problems.
On the other hand, Toyota trucks are renowned world wide because they're virtually indestructible and can outlive anything. Not that it matters though, since I drive a Chevy - also a good truck.
Leif Giering I have some news for you. I had a 1988 Dodge with a 318 v8 that lasted nearly 400,000 miles. I currently have a 1985 Dodge with over 200,000 on it. You can find thousands of newer 5.7Hemi Ram's in good running condition with over 200,000 miles. You also fail to remember that the entire truck around the cummins is built by Dodge/RAM, and lasts the same 1-3 million miles. You display your complete lack of knowledge.
Leif Giering I drive a 2011 Ram and I use my truck like a truck it's got over 110 k miles on it so far never had any issues with it. Routine maintenance and fill it with fuel. Damn good truck. I do like the tundra though
NovaMan 350 Toyota is nice for reliability and being an all around kind of truck. Ram trucks in diesel arent bad but the petrol ones are pointless.
why is the pro running rock warrior wheels?
for chevy,ford and dodge truck fans toyota is taking the truck market little by little just like you lost the car market already
not even close really Ford and the gm twins own the truck market by a very large margin, I like the yotas but they are getting a bit dated now
little by little and there is a new kid on the block titan
bryce850 the gm twins, really?, canyon and colorado combined can't outsell the mighty Taco
did I say the Colorado and canyon ? no I meant gm twins as a whole in the truck market which yes Ford and GM owns the overall market by a large margin, the Tacoma sales but the tundra is a complete outdated after thought and alot of us want a half ton or larger truck
bryce850 i taught the canyon and colorado were the GM twins, am i missing something here?, isn't the Tundra a half ton? just because Ford and GM sell more trucks has nothing to do with quality or reliability, in fact Ford and GM barely ever make the top 10 list in reliability ratings, Toyota and Lexus lead the pack
Tundra!!!!!!!!!😈
"The two tests the Rebel did good on were MPG and Sound tests" I'm a huge Dodge guy but thats still pretty pathetic XD
don't crash either of them, they performed terribly in crash tests trapping drivers legs
If Toyota included e-lockers front and rear plus crawl control in the 2017 tundra trd off road package they'd soon be king in capability even over the power wagon.
and would cost 100+k
I know these dunes very well, 6:02 going that fast down a dune hitting the angle change probably didn't feel good in a full size truck haha