I really appreciate that... Glad you found it useful! I'm always tinkering with it still. I was so afraid to mess with the picture profiles in the past but it's a lot simpler than I thought to use and way more powerful of a tool than I expected to customize a look. Thanks again!
@@BrianCatalano This was exactly me! After this video I have started tinkering to see what other types of looks I get and am really surprised at the results.
I've tried this on my old-ish Sony RX100 v7 and I am impressed. The camera doesn't have cine 4 profile but it works with the cine 2 profile that is built in. Very easy to use and only required me adjusting curves in Resolve to get really nice footage both indoors and outdoors. Not the widest dynamic range, but if you use the zebra function clipping can be avoided. Using ISO 400 I was impressed with low light detail and relative lack of grain. Skin tones are gorgeous ❤ Great job thank you 😊
That's brilliant! I really appreciate you taking the time to share this with me and happy that you found this helpful at all! The cine2 profile is pretty great as well as the rx100. I've never played with the picture profiles in that camera, but now I want to try! Thanks again!!
That's great, glad that this will be helpful! I really love my zv1 and hope you do, too! Appreciate you taking to share that , and come back when you get it to let me know!
I'm sorry to hear that... I do know that the a6400's color science is very different. Yet, if I were you I'd play with the color phase and color depth and tinker with it yourself. I had to do this on the A7C2 (which also has very different colors), but I wanted to make my own look and after a lot of trial and write it worked. What colors are you getting when you do it ... Too green or magenta?
Hi, great video! Was this shot on the a7III, not the a7SIII? I'm quite confused between the a7C and the a7C II. I'm really tempted to get the a7C II mainly for its S-Cinetone, but it's $800 more expensive here. Photography-wise, I know there isn't much difference since I can shoot in RAW and post-process in Lightroom. I prefer point-and-shoot simplicity and don't want to do extensive color grading for videos to achieve natural-looking shots that are usable. Are there no other ways to achieve this with older Sony cameras? Is S-Cinetone really worth the extra $800? Would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers!
Hello, and great question... I shot most of the b-roll on the A7C and ZV1 (of course using my custom C/Z-Cinetone picture profiles)... And the talking head parts on the FX3. I now own the A7Cii because of the better video specs, better stability, greater resolution, and improved handling. It's really better in every way from the original A7C. However, is it $800 better!? I don't know, maybe... Is it $600 better? I'd say probably. Is it $450 better? Yes, definitely. So, having the S-Cinetone and 10bit color is a massive step up in video, and the rest is a bonus...but it's hard to say for sure if it's worth the extra cash for you. Hope that helps in any way!?
Amazing, so happy you found this helpful! I'm constantly tinkering with this profile... and I recommend dialing it in to your liking, as well! Also, I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know... Thank you!
you should call yourself "Professor Catalano" - again an incredible video - so much information, so well organized, the graphics and transitions - we must call you "Professor". Was about to shoot in Standard Profile but you motivated me to keep trying - Wow!
Ha ha... I'm associate professor at best, maybe substitute associate professor! I was actually just trying to make a quick picture profile video and kept running into all things I didn't understand, and still barely do, so I had to learn things quickly before I could teach them (reminds me of being a teacher again when I used to read the math book the night before I had to run a lesson)?
Great video man!, As a visually impaired person who likes to make videos, color, grading, and stuff is extremely difficult for me, it makes more sense to just get. The best shot possible straight out of camera and move on. . I happen to have both of these cameras and being able to set both of them up in a similar way is very helpful for my workflow! Thanks for the time and energy. I took to make this video. It helps a lot!
I'm really happy to hear that you found this video helpful at all but even more that you made me reconsider why being able to quantify or codify colors numerically like this could be useful for someone like yourself who is visually impaired, so I appreciate even more you taking time out to leave me that feedback! Thanks again!!
@@BrianCatalano yeah I don’t see colors quite right and there are a lot of people who have some form of color blindness. Ideally, a camera that cost this much should be able to reproduce accurate and attractive colors without additional work.
@@blindluckproject1217 I completely agree! That has been one of the main reasons I have been moving over to their newer 10bit cameras because of the S-Cinetone profile, which I believe should just be the standard across all Sony's going forward
@@chromiqa hello... Well, this video I specifically chose not to shoot on LOG because this was me trying to fix these 8 bit cameras by making a custom picture profile. However, I did make a video about how I use slog3 in my 10bit cameras. I grade by mostly using a rec709 lut. You can see it here... Thanks! ruclips.net/video/_oKWQTYZo4k/видео.html
I need help. I'm trying to start an indie TV show and I own A7C and ZV-1. Coffeezilla sold me on the idea of getting an FX3 for my green screen, but I need dedicated studio camera and am looking at FX30 with Sony 10-20mm and 18-108mm OSS f/4 G Lens. Upgrading my HDMI capture card is shocking hard, I have 9 cameras with two quad Elgato Camlink Pro PCIe HDMI capture cards. Getting any card that captures HDR10 is hard, there are no HDR16 capture cards, Black Magic has a quad PCIe x8 capture card. That will cost $300 up grade Camlink Pro to DeckLink. With green screen, I can use S-Log3 to get more dynamic range. I'm okay with pushing 8-bit cameras to their limits. I'm not shooting for Netflix, I'm trying to not be broke and get a result I"m happy with. Is there any way I can get you to do a green screen test between FX3 and A7C S-Log3 exposed to the left (i.e. for the shadows)? With green screen, that actually gives the ability to do lumakey foreground green screen using blown out light. Makes me wonder if I might be better off with another A7C rather than FX30; but I'm still getting FX3 for the 35mm Surui Saturn 1.6x anamorphic lens. Thanks.
Hello! Yeah... That all sounds like a super complicated riddle, so I get your frustration! Yet, I currently don't own the A7C anymore, but I personally would not shoot slog3 with an 8 bit camera. I also hardly ever shoot on a green screen, so I'm not sure I know enough to help you as I don't have a proper set up for that anymore. Also, I guess I'm not surprised coffeezilla uses an FX3. I haven't watched one of his videos in a while though, but... I think the FX30 is a fantastic value studio camera and super sharp (so probably good for keying). Is overheating a concern for you? If so, then yes go with fx3, a7s3, or fx30. If not I'd look at a74 or A7Cii... Or the A73 & A7C in Hlog3. Again, sounds ambitious... I wish you luck!
@@BrianCatalano The thing about green screen is there is no sky and you're not capturing a lot of dynamic range, and you can expose to the left/for the shadows with S-Log3 and you don't get those banding issues. You just have to make a custom LUT with Resolve that works with OBS, which is not hard. You can see how it works when you look at an OBS LUT PNG image. You will notice an 8x8 grid of repeated LUT patterns. This can be changed to log grid, so when you expose for the shadows, it essentially uses more like a 6x8 grid rather than 8x8, adding extra dynamic range that is more like 9-bit colors. You wouldn't want to color grade outdoor footage with S-Log3 8-bit, but with green screen you're just cutting people out, so the dynamic range is much less. You are also pulling the video image data off of the HDMI port in 4K NV12 mode, which has less dynamic range than YUY2 1080p. I have the A7C. I will make a video about this.
@@BrianCatalano I'm a software-computer engineer so I'm actually interested in figuring out if we can take advantage of this 8-bit color banding to map foreground layers. What if I could fire a laser pointer at someone on a green screen, and this can trigger the computer to display a gunshot? Or an LED inside of a magic wand tip can trigger 3D magic effects. I could use a neural network that is trained to respond to blown out highlights.
I've been able to match my A7C and FX3 with this C-cinetone custom profile, and then some slight grading depending on how well I did with matching exposure. However, you can also use Hlog3, and that matches pretty seamlessly with the same grade.
Thanks for the profile. It really looks awesome. One additional question though. How do you expose for it? What zebra levels do you set for skintones (Std+Range) and/or highlights (Lower Limit)?
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that you found this profile worked for you!! Yet, to be honest and I apologize, I don't recall exactly what my zebra levels were as this was almost a year ago and have since picked up the A7Cii. I do recall, that I think at that time I started turning my Zebras off more often than not and it's possible that when I turned them on they were set up for hlog3 which was the profile I used when I wasn't using this custom one. Sorry, I couldn't be more helpful!
@@BrianCatalano Of course man! Your videos (especially the latest ones) are bingeworthy, couldn't stop plowing through them last night. I really don't think there's anyway your channel WONT blow up if you keep doing what you're doing 💚
Hello! Thank you so much... Just to see if I'm understanding the question, are you asking what is a better camera the A7C or ZV1 to pair in combination with your zve10? If that's the question, then the A7C is a far superior camera but it is more expensive and you have to buy full frame lenses! If you are asking, can you use this custom picture profile with the zve10? Then... Yes, yes you can and it should look pretty similar if not the same! Let me know if that helped
I have started to learn color grading using FCP for about a week now. It is so tedious! Now, I am trying your suggestion for Sony ZV-1. I am not sure if I missed anything, does the picture profile tweak you mentioned works only for video or also work for still photos?
Good question, and I know how tedious it can be... so if you change the picture profile for video, your photos in JPEG will also have those colors. However, I suggest making sure you shoot in JPEG+ RAW (it's in your settings), so you get your photos with no color on them, so you will get two photos per snap. But I like using this custom profile for pics too!
Hi Brian, So I am in a bit of a dilemma, I was saving up for an FX3, but then I started to realize that maybe I should use that money for a new PC. What set the foundation for this thinking was that I not long ago got an A7IV, but I wanted an FX3 as I wanted more of a cinema camera. I should lay everything out in this post so it's easier for you to answer my question, having all the details accessible if you choose to do so. I'll start off by saying that obviously by having the A7IV and not having any clients currently and probably not having clients for a good while, that I don't need an FX3. However, I do want one. Some reasons for this include the aspect that I get off work pretty late and by the time I am shooting, it's typically pretty dark out so the lower MP count and the higher native ISO will allow me to shoot in these dark conditions with more confidence (as i dont live in or near a bright place when its nighttime). Obviously, the A7IV is a beast of a camera in low light, but I think it's pretty well known that the FX3 is better. Some other things include the potential to shoot in 4k 120, good rolling shutter performance, and having a very low chance of overheating even though I've never had that problem with the A7IV (though I only have my A7IV on for like a minute at a time, and I should mention that I have yet to use 4k60 and don't pan my camera super fast, but regardless, having the ability to do so with very little consequences is a nice feeling). It's also netflix approved, which is nice to know. Generally, I would like a video camera to accompany my hybrid/photo shooter in the A7IV. I guess I would still consider myself a hobbyist, but I want to hit the ground running with creating a portfolio of my work and shopping it around very soon. Moving on to the PC. My current PC isn't bad (GTX 1080 I7 6700K, 32 GB DDR4 RAM). However, I do feel it's getting a bit dated and could use for an upgrade in terms of my editing suite and things like that. So, that is my decision. Do I spend about $4,000 on the FX3 with the 50mm f 1.8, or do I save $500 and get a new PC? I think most people would advise me to: 1. Use the money for other gear instead like better audio, lighting, etc. Or 2. Buy one now and just save for the other later The main problem with this is that i only have until the end of February to decide as my family is forcing me to start saving up to pay back my student loans. Therefore, which ever one I don't buy now, I won't be able to buy for maybe up to five years and I fear that the FX3 is gonna be basically unusable and that they might not produce another small form factor cinema camera by then if i choose the PC. If I choose the FX3, I fear that my current PC might die before the next five years, and I won't have enough money to replace it. So this brings me here as I have gotten really great advice from you in the past. I should note that the only gear I have is a tripod, A7IV, Tamron 24mm f 2.8, 3 tube lights, a square small rig camera light, a mid XLR mic, and a shotgun on camera mic. I have also been shooting films since 2017 and have started photography in the last year. So the only thing that keeps me in the amateur category is that I don't have any clients yet as I haven't attempted to put myself out there and look for them, but I plan on doing that soon. I should also note that my computer has a few overheating issues that, after further inspection seems to be a result of old age, making me wonder whether a new PC is the way to go or not. However, this only happens when gaming. However, I haven't put it through the ringer with any intense editing, so that might make it overheat as well. So, do I get the FX3 with the 50mm f 1.8 (that's all I can afford, unfortunately)? Do I get the PC instead and just keep getting better with my A7IV despite some of the shortcomings I mentioned and hope that the FX3 is still viable in a few years or hope that there is a small form factor netflix approved sony cinema camera available? Or should I do something entirely different that you didn't see mentioned? I am sorry for this long post and appreciate it if you read this far. I would appreciate it even more if you could provide some feedback, insights, or guidance. Thanks so much!
Thank you for detailing this all out... It's a great question that likely doesn't have a clear satisfactory answer. I have owned both the a74 and currently have the fx3 (along with the a7c) but I got rid of the a74, and honestly I'm not sure I should have. (I never really use 4k 120 or whip pan) The fx3 is a future proof camera and probably will be for a long time, so much so I can imagine in ten years, people getting back into it's for nostalgia as it's a better camera than we really need. I also think in a few years there will be a fx3ii that will be even better. So, if I were you, I'd seriously consider keeping the a74 and getting a better computer and really working on figuring out your business model to get clients and start earning... And then consider the fx3 or whatever else is out around then. I currently edit on a m1 MacBook air which I've seen for $799. Now, I had been a PC guy for awhile, so I get if you don't want to switch, but I am more just saying because I have no idea how much PCs are anymore. I do feel the a74 is an equally good camera for low light and it's a way better hybrid camera, so if you're looking to get paid for photography, it is the better option. If you're looking to make money with videography, the fx3 is better... But... If you can't edit either of them on your computer, then you won't be able to earn an income at all. It's a tough choice and I'm not sure if I helped at all as I was rambling a bit (jet lagged).
THANK YOU SO MUCH! this was basically an awesome new profile for when I record vlogs!!! I love it I already adjusted it to my a7c and zv1 thanks for this :))
I really appreciate it!! I'm so happy to hear that it helped streamline your workflow! I was reluctant to play with picture profiles, but it was way easier and more rewarding than I thought it would be... Thanks again!!
Thank you! And yes, it should work as most of the 8bit Sonys (like zv1, A7C, and zve10) have similar enough color science... But feel free to tinker to your liking!
Hello! Good question...but with this profile, I typically wouldn't add contrast. However, it's really up to your personal preference and when color correcting I'm always tinkering with the look per video or job. I also don't use Resolve, so I am not sure how you adjust it in there. Sorry I can't be more of a help here!
It's likely a matter of precisely the opposite. I'm very particular about color shifts across multiple Sony camera bodies especially with variations in bit depth. I'm not sure if you watched the video, but my argument is that the color science within 8 bit Sony's, with no picture profile on, skews magenta with either a too heavy contrast or the blacks lowered more than I prefer when compared to such picture profiles as S-Cinetone in the newer 10 bit Sonys... So this video is how I customize my picture profile to replicate something closer to s-cinetone for older Sonys. I'm not taking a controversial perspective, as I demonstrate the color shift and how one could fix it. I'm happy that you've found a good workflow... What picture profile do you use?
That's awesome... I'm sincerely happy to hear that the profile worked for you!! I'm actually working on another video like this because I just made a new black and white one! Thanks again!!
Love this bro. Great video. I’ve had the A7C for a year and half and just got the ZVE1 but I don’t like it. I prefer the colours of the A7C…any tips for the ZVE1?
Thank you so much... and that is really interesting to hear as I feel the opposite because the ZV-E1 has S-Cinetone and SLOG3! I also love some of the Cinematic Vlog color color combinations. I have made videos on both... Yet, what picture profile are you using on the ZV-E1? Here is my video on SLOG3: ruclips.net/video/_oKWQTYZo4k/видео.html Here is my video on the Cinematic Colors: ruclips.net/video/EzJ7iE_9YSk/видео.html Hope those help at all... Let me know!
@@BrianCatalano thanks so much bro. Will dive into these and film my next video with your settings. Will keep you posted. Keep up the great content. Cheers
You should record all iso from 100 to 8000 in S-Cinetone mode (PP11) and from 16000 to 32000 in S-Log3, because "dual native iso" works bad on 12800. It randomly switches on and off on ZV-E1 (iso 12800). Don't use S-Log3 from ISO 640 to ISO 12800. It's terrible
@@superalex159 I can see how that approach would work! I personally only shoot in 100 or 2000 in s-cinetone during the day... And only 640 or 12800 in slog3 at night or indoors. I really don't stray from those four ISOs but there's so many ways to use the zve1. It's such a capable camera!
Yooooooo, this video was super good! I'm gonna try your z-cinetone on my ZV-1!! You also explained some important information about about the details in the picture profiles I didn't know! Thanks omfor thos info, Brian!! Also, I want that A7c...but I don't need it loool. Great video bro!!!!!
Thank you...and do try the Z-CINETONE one, it's really only a few adjustments. I tried a bunch of different tweaks the zv1 but kept coming back to this one. Also, you definitely don't need to the A7C, but maybe when the A7Cii comes out, trade in your a74 for it
@BrianCatalano My precious A74:( I was planning to trade it in later for the A1 hahahaha I don't know...will see what happens when the later iterations come out. But really enjoyed all the info from this video. I think the cinetone settings are definitely for me!!!
@@francoismarc3 I really want the a74 as well, but I can wait for the A7Cii because it should be the same camera (a74) plus the a7r5's AF system... But a1 would be nuts!
Thank you so much; I really appreciate it... And not a "rookie" question at all, or it's all relative, I'm just beginning to learn how to color grade and an still far from feeling like I have a grasp on it. I will say, even with these profiles, I may adjust colors in post (especially because the screen monitor is not very bright so I miss exposure a lot). Yet, I don't tend to use a set LUT when I do. However, it is a good idea... So if I wanted a certain creative look per each project, I may make a color grade preset and save it as a lut to use across footage. I'm not sure if this video will help if you use Premiere, but this is how I create LUTs with some free s-cinetone ones that you could try: ruclips.net/video/mz6cIjVAGsA/видео.html
Yes, it definitely will work... Although, the a7c has a slightly different color science than the a73, so you may need to tinker a little bit with maybe the color phase, but they are so close that you may not even need too! Thank you, and good luck!!
I am soooo frustrated with my zv1. All sorts of tweaks either in pre or post production seem to not lead to any bearable results. There is always something waaaay off. Will try this too but am a bit disheartened. Seeing you having gone through so much to get this is somewhat motivating because maybe I am not just a dullard. Still, I just wish to get over this seemingly simple bump of getting acceptable visuals to finally concentrate more on the content creation side of things...
You definitely don't sound like a dullard (unless we both are)! I am constantly having issues with color management. I know just make sure my sequence settings are in rec 709 and then I modify and interpret the footage to rec 709 if I shoot in Hlog3.... Or I use this custom profile... Or just Intelligent Auto setting and forget it. What editing software do you use? I often find that to be the issue than the camera settings if you're trying to get the most out of the camera. Try this custom picture profile first, but I totally empathize with your frustrations!
@@BrianCatalano Thank you so much for this encouraging response! I have spent thr last 2 weeks trying to wrap my head around DaVinci Resolve. The last two things I shot in slog3 with gamut3, because I saw a thing about using an acescct-effect on that for getting decent transformation to rec709. My other attempt at direct CST or using the project settings for colormanagement have been just abysimal. The best thing I shot do far has been the just uploaded "About this Channel", if you want to check it out. That was done with aces and even though I do not hate the overall look, the banding is just horrendous. I even have a colorcard and the waveform is just everywhere on the grey-scales, which is very visible in that uploaded video (my skin oscillates in RGB ffs). The colormatch was just leading to terribly red footage, so I dumped that for now. This scattered waveform made me reconsider the picture profile because maybe the zv1 just cant get accurate data in slog3/gamut3. But maybe it also has to do with messed up exposure/whitebalance? My office where I record has a huge window, which forces me to do autowhitebalance, since in custom color temperature within minutes my footage slowly transitions from warm to cold temperatures depending on cloud movements. Aaargh, where do I even start? This afternoon I will try out your Z-Cinetone and see what the waveform/parades and exported video ends up with at both no color correction as well as some slight touching up. After that I might just go through all the PPs. But I am still unsure about this whitebalance maybe just throwing me off. I will also have to check again with zebras if the 18%grey shows me somewhat accurate exposure. Still, now that you know more of my situstion, any pointers from your side?
@@BrianCatalano omg... First impression of your "Zinetone"(tm) is absolutely amazing. Definitely gonna shoot the next vid in that to also see it on other displays. A first glance at the waveform of the greyscale shows much more alignment which was even possible to basically perfect with the slightest touch on the primaries. But even before that it looks so saturated, conrasted, deep and frankly pretty professional. Wow! I am blown away by it. Thank you so much for this already. I will still try and learn much more about all of this but even if I keep running into dead ends, I at least have something to fall back onto. A solid base for absolutely decent footage so that the journey can finally start for good.
@@FelixChamber I would say, you seem to be set up with the right prerequisite knowledge for color grading and you are using the best program, so I think you will get it to liking rather soon. However, the only thing I would say, if I were you, do not use Slog3. In my opinion slog3 should not be used with 8 bit cameras unless you've mastered some level of technical prowess far exceeding my own. I also would not recommend slog2. I typically use Hlog3, but even that because finding a good rec709 conversion and not clipping the highlights can be hard since you cant monitor it with a conversation lut (unless you have an external monitor that you can load luts in). I'd say turn the picture profile off or use my custom profile with cine2 or cine4. Even with my Sony Fx3, I only use Slog3 if I need to. I typically use it's S-Cinetone because the color management from in camera to exported to uploading on RUclips is seamless. Hlog3 can work but will take some practice exposing it and converting it. You could also try these Luts to see as well if they work for you: ruclips.net/video/mz6cIjVAGsA/видео.html
Thank you... I already just bought a new mic, actually a cheaper one, that I'm trying out, to get more of that crispy podcast voice. This Sony mic is good but it is a shotgun mic so I had to do a lot of work to get it to sound like this
Omg Brian posted ❤️🎉
I'll never get tired of you commenting this!!
This is such a low-key incredible PP setting for A7C users!
Exactly what I have been after for a long time.
Great video Brian, thank you!
I really appreciate that... Glad you found it useful! I'm always tinkering with it still. I was so afraid to mess with the picture profiles in the past but it's a lot simpler than I thought to use and way more powerful of a tool than I expected to customize a look. Thanks again!
@@BrianCatalano This was exactly me! After this video I have started tinkering to see what other types of looks I get and am really surprised at the results.
I've tried this on my old-ish Sony RX100 v7 and I am impressed. The camera doesn't have cine 4 profile but it works with the cine 2 profile that is built in. Very easy to use and only required me adjusting curves in Resolve to get really nice footage both indoors and outdoors. Not the widest dynamic range, but if you use the zebra function clipping can be avoided. Using ISO 400 I was impressed with low light detail and relative lack of grain. Skin tones are gorgeous ❤ Great job thank you 😊
That's brilliant! I really appreciate you taking the time to share this with me and happy that you found this helpful at all! The cine2 profile is pretty great as well as the rx100. I've never played with the picture profiles in that camera, but now I want to try!
Thanks again!!
@@BrianCatalano You're very welcome. It's going to be my go-to profile when using this camera for video 😊
Zv1 only have cine2 too and its impressive
Thank you, now I like my Sony even more.
Just about to get a ZV1 myself and this was so helpful. The flatter picture just fits the look I am going for so much more! Thanks a ton.
That's great, glad that this will be helpful! I really love my zv1 and hope you do, too!
Appreciate you taking to share that , and come back when you get it to let me know!
I tried both setups on my a6400, both are completely off. Thanks anyway
I'm sorry to hear that... I do know that the a6400's color science is very different. Yet, if I were you I'd play with the color phase and color depth and tinker with it yourself. I had to do this on the A7C2 (which also has very different colors), but I wanted to make my own look and after a lot of trial and write it worked.
What colors are you getting when you do it ... Too green or magenta?
Hi, great video! Was this shot on the a7III, not the a7SIII? I'm quite confused between the a7C and the a7C II. I'm really tempted to get the a7C II mainly for its S-Cinetone, but it's $800 more expensive here. Photography-wise, I know there isn't much difference since I can shoot in RAW and post-process in Lightroom. I prefer point-and-shoot simplicity and don't want to do extensive color grading for videos to achieve natural-looking shots that are usable. Are there no other ways to achieve this with older Sony cameras? Is S-Cinetone really worth the extra $800? Would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers!
Hello, and great question... I shot most of the b-roll on the A7C and ZV1 (of course using my custom C/Z-Cinetone picture profiles)... And the talking head parts on the FX3.
I now own the A7Cii because of the better video specs, better stability, greater resolution, and improved handling. It's really better in every way from the original A7C. However, is it $800 better!? I don't know, maybe... Is it $600 better? I'd say probably. Is it $450 better? Yes, definitely.
So, having the S-Cinetone and 10bit color is a massive step up in video, and the rest is a bonus...but it's hard to say for sure if it's worth the extra cash for you. Hope that helps in any way!?
Thank you so much for this video! Just updated my A7C settings
Amazing, so happy you found this helpful! I'm constantly tinkering with this profile... and I recommend dialing it in to your liking, as well!
Also, I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know... Thank you!
which is the closer profile to all the a6400 enjoyers?
That's a good question... I really don't know. Is there a cine2 or cine4?
you should call yourself "Professor Catalano" - again an incredible video - so much information, so well organized, the graphics and transitions - we must call you "Professor". Was about to shoot in Standard Profile but you motivated me to keep trying - Wow!
Ha ha... I'm associate professor at best, maybe substitute associate professor! I was actually just trying to make a quick picture profile video and kept running into all things I didn't understand, and still barely do, so I had to learn things quickly before I could teach them (reminds me of being a teacher again when I used to read the math book the night before I had to run a lesson)?
Great video man!,
As a visually impaired person who likes to make videos, color, grading, and stuff is extremely difficult for me, it makes more sense to just get. The best shot possible straight out of camera and move on.
. I happen to have both of these cameras and being able to set both of them up in a similar way is very helpful for my workflow!
Thanks for the time and energy. I took to make this video. It helps a lot!
I'm really happy to hear that you found this video helpful at all but even more that you made me reconsider why being able to quantify or codify colors numerically like this could be useful for someone like yourself who is visually impaired, so I appreciate even more you taking time out to leave me that feedback! Thanks again!!
@@BrianCatalano yeah I don’t see colors quite right and there are a lot of people who have some form of color blindness.
Ideally, a camera that cost this much should be able to reproduce accurate and attractive colors without additional work.
@@blindluckproject1217 I completely agree! That has been one of the main reasons I have been moving over to their newer 10bit cameras because of the S-Cinetone profile, which I believe should just be the standard across all Sony's going forward
I wish you also showed how to color grade log with those settings.
@@chromiqa hello... Well, this video I specifically chose not to shoot on LOG because this was me trying to fix these 8 bit cameras by making a custom picture profile. However, I did make a video about how I use slog3 in my 10bit cameras. I grade by mostly using a rec709 lut. You can see it here... Thanks!
ruclips.net/video/_oKWQTYZo4k/видео.html
I need help. I'm trying to start an indie TV show and I own A7C and ZV-1. Coffeezilla sold me on the idea of getting an FX3 for my green screen, but I need dedicated studio camera and am looking at FX30 with Sony 10-20mm and 18-108mm OSS f/4 G Lens. Upgrading my HDMI capture card is shocking hard, I have 9 cameras with two quad Elgato Camlink Pro PCIe HDMI capture cards. Getting any card that captures HDR10 is hard, there are no HDR16 capture cards, Black Magic has a quad PCIe x8 capture card. That will cost $300 up grade Camlink Pro to DeckLink. With green screen, I can use S-Log3 to get more dynamic range. I'm okay with pushing 8-bit cameras to their limits. I'm not shooting for Netflix, I'm trying to not be broke and get a result I"m happy with. Is there any way I can get you to do a green screen test between FX3 and A7C S-Log3 exposed to the left (i.e. for the shadows)? With green screen, that actually gives the ability to do lumakey foreground green screen using blown out light. Makes me wonder if I might be better off with another A7C rather than FX30; but I'm still getting FX3 for the 35mm Surui Saturn 1.6x anamorphic lens. Thanks.
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Hello! Yeah... That all sounds like a super complicated riddle, so I get your frustration!
Yet, I currently don't own the A7C anymore, but I personally would not shoot slog3 with an 8 bit camera. I also hardly ever shoot on a green screen, so I'm not sure I know enough to help you as I don't have a proper set up for that anymore.
Also, I guess I'm not surprised coffeezilla uses an FX3. I haven't watched one of his videos in a while though, but...
I think the FX30 is a fantastic value studio camera and super sharp (so probably good for keying). Is overheating a concern for you? If so, then yes go with fx3, a7s3, or fx30. If not I'd look at a74 or A7Cii... Or the A73 & A7C in Hlog3.
Again, sounds ambitious... I wish you luck!
@@BrianCatalano The thing about green screen is there is no sky and you're not capturing a lot of dynamic range, and you can expose to the left/for the shadows with S-Log3 and you don't get those banding issues. You just have to make a custom LUT with Resolve that works with OBS, which is not hard. You can see how it works when you look at an OBS LUT PNG image. You will notice an 8x8 grid of repeated LUT patterns. This can be changed to log grid, so when you expose for the shadows, it essentially uses more like a 6x8 grid rather than 8x8, adding extra dynamic range that is more like 9-bit colors. You wouldn't want to color grade outdoor footage with S-Log3 8-bit, but with green screen you're just cutting people out, so the dynamic range is much less. You are also pulling the video image data off of the HDMI port in 4K NV12 mode, which has less dynamic range than YUY2 1080p. I have the A7C. I will make a video about this.
@@infinitesimulationstv oh that's cool, that's all new info for me, but makes complete sense. Yeah I'd love to see that video...
@@BrianCatalano I'm a software-computer engineer so I'm actually interested in figuring out if we can take advantage of this 8-bit color banding to map foreground layers. What if I could fire a laser pointer at someone on a green screen, and this can trigger the computer to display a gunshot? Or an LED inside of a magic wand tip can trigger 3D magic effects. I could use a neural network that is trained to respond to blown out highlights.
good lord, thanks a lot! i look much better now compared to someone else's z-cinetone settings ;)
That's awesome... I'm legit happy to hear that this profile works for you. I struggled with the zv1 for so long, so I get it!!
As always a perfect video Brian 👏
Thank you so much! Definitely just trying to get better!
thank you very much ..What color profil do you use if you want to match A7C & (FX30 or ASIII)
I've been able to match my A7C and FX3 with this C-cinetone custom profile, and then some slight grading depending on how well I did with matching exposure. However, you can also use Hlog3, and that matches pretty seamlessly with the same grade.
Thanks for the profile. It really looks awesome. One additional question though. How do you expose for it? What zebra levels do you set for skintones (Std+Range) and/or highlights (Lower Limit)?
Thank you so much, I really appreciate that you found this profile worked for you!! Yet, to be honest and I apologize, I don't recall exactly what my zebra levels were as this was almost a year ago and have since picked up the A7Cii. I do recall, that I think at that time I started turning my Zebras off more often than not and it's possible that when I turned them on they were set up for hlog3 which was the profile I used when I wasn't using this custom one. Sorry, I couldn't be more helpful!
Dudeeeeeee amazing video! You should have 100k more subscribers lmfao. Editing, organizational and everything 100%
Thank you so much... That really means a lot and gives me a boost to keep going. Thanks again!!
@@BrianCatalano Of course man! Your videos (especially the latest ones) are bingeworthy, couldn't stop plowing through them last night. I really don't think there's anyway your channel WONT blow up if you keep doing what you're doing 💚
@MakeLoveWithMusic I can't thank you enough... Self doubt usually gets the better of me, so again, I appreciate this more than you know!
Hello, great video, for the zv e10 (apsc) what configuration do you recommend for the a7c or zv1?
Hello! Thank you so much... Just to see if I'm understanding the question, are you asking what is a better camera the A7C or ZV1 to pair in combination with your zve10?
If that's the question, then the A7C is a far superior camera but it is more expensive and you have to buy full frame lenses!
If you are asking, can you use this custom picture profile with the zve10? Then... Yes, yes you can and it should look pretty similar if not the same!
Let me know if that helped
I have started to learn color grading using FCP for about a week now. It is so tedious! Now, I am trying your suggestion for Sony ZV-1. I am not sure if I missed anything, does the picture profile tweak you mentioned works only for video or also work for still photos?
Good question, and I know how tedious it can be... so if you change the picture profile for video, your photos in JPEG will also have those colors. However, I suggest making sure you shoot in JPEG+ RAW (it's in your settings), so you get your photos with no color on them, so you will get two photos per snap. But I like using this custom profile for pics too!
Hi Brian,
So I am in a bit of a dilemma, I was saving up for an FX3, but then I started to realize that maybe I should use that money for a new PC. What set the foundation for this thinking was that I not long ago got an A7IV, but I wanted an FX3 as I wanted more of a cinema camera.
I should lay everything out in this post so it's easier for you to answer my question, having all the details accessible if you choose to do so. I'll start off by saying that obviously by having the A7IV and not having any clients currently and probably not having clients for a good while, that I don't need an FX3. However, I do want one.
Some reasons for this include the aspect that I get off work pretty late and by the time I am shooting, it's typically pretty dark out so the lower MP count and the higher native ISO will allow me to shoot in these dark conditions with more confidence (as i dont live in or near a bright place when its nighttime). Obviously, the A7IV is a beast of a camera in low light, but I think it's pretty well known that the FX3 is better. Some other things include the potential to shoot in 4k 120, good rolling shutter performance, and having a very low chance of overheating even though I've never had that problem with the A7IV (though I only have my A7IV on for like a minute at a time, and I should mention that I have yet to use 4k60 and don't pan my camera super fast, but regardless, having the ability to do so with very little consequences is a nice feeling). It's also netflix approved, which is nice to know. Generally, I would like a video camera to accompany my hybrid/photo shooter in the A7IV. I guess I would still consider myself a hobbyist, but I want to hit the ground running with creating a portfolio of my work and shopping it around very soon.
Moving on to the PC. My current PC isn't bad (GTX 1080 I7 6700K, 32 GB DDR4 RAM). However, I do feel it's getting a bit dated and could use for an upgrade in terms of my editing suite and things like that. So, that is my decision. Do I spend about $4,000 on the FX3 with the 50mm f 1.8, or do I save $500 and get a new PC?
I think most people would advise me to:
1. Use the money for other gear instead like better audio, lighting, etc.
Or
2. Buy one now and just save for the other later
The main problem with this is that i only have until the end of February to decide as my family is forcing me to start saving up to pay back my student loans. Therefore, which ever one I don't buy now, I won't be able to buy for maybe up to five years and I fear that the FX3 is gonna be basically unusable and that they might not produce another small form factor cinema camera by then if i choose the PC. If I choose the FX3, I fear that my current PC might die before the next five years, and I won't have enough money to replace it.
So this brings me here as I have gotten really great advice from you in the past.
I should note that the only gear I have is a tripod, A7IV, Tamron 24mm f 2.8, 3 tube lights, a square small rig camera light, a mid XLR mic, and a shotgun on camera mic. I have also been shooting films since 2017 and have started photography in the last year. So the only thing that keeps me in the amateur category is that I don't have any clients yet as I haven't attempted to put myself out there and look for them, but I plan on doing that soon.
I should also note that my computer has a few overheating issues that, after further inspection seems to be a result of old age, making me wonder whether a new PC is the way to go or not. However, this only happens when gaming. However, I haven't put it through the ringer with any intense editing, so that might make it overheat as well.
So, do I get the FX3 with the 50mm f 1.8 (that's all I can afford, unfortunately)? Do I get the PC instead and just keep getting better with my A7IV despite some of the shortcomings I mentioned and hope that the FX3 is still viable in a few years or hope that there is a small form factor netflix approved sony cinema camera available? Or should I do something entirely different that you didn't see mentioned?
I am sorry for this long post and appreciate it if you read this far. I would appreciate it even more if you could provide some feedback, insights, or guidance.
Thanks so much!
Thank you for detailing this all out... It's a great question that likely doesn't have a clear satisfactory answer. I have owned both the a74 and currently have the fx3 (along with the a7c) but I got rid of the a74, and honestly I'm not sure I should have. (I never really use 4k 120 or whip pan)
The fx3 is a future proof camera and probably will be for a long time, so much so I can imagine in ten years, people getting back into it's for nostalgia as it's a better camera than we really need. I also think in a few years there will be a fx3ii that will be even better.
So, if I were you, I'd seriously consider keeping the a74 and getting a better computer and really working on figuring out your business model to get clients and start earning... And then consider the fx3 or whatever else is out around then.
I currently edit on a m1 MacBook air which I've seen for $799. Now, I had been a PC guy for awhile, so I get if you don't want to switch, but I am more just saying because I have no idea how much PCs are anymore.
I do feel the a74 is an equally good camera for low light and it's a way better hybrid camera, so if you're looking to get paid for photography, it is the better option.
If you're looking to make money with videography, the fx3 is better... But...
If you can't edit either of them on your computer, then you won't be able to earn an income at all.
It's a tough choice and I'm not sure if I helped at all as I was rambling a bit (jet lagged).
THANK YOU SO MUCH! this was basically an awesome new profile for when I record vlogs!!! I love it I already adjusted it to my a7c and zv1 thanks for this :))
I really appreciate it!! I'm so happy to hear that it helped streamline your workflow! I was reluctant to play with picture profiles, but it was way easier and more rewarding than I thought it would be... Thanks again!!
You the goat bro! Will this work for the Zv-e10?
Thank you! And yes, it should work as most of the 8bit Sonys (like zv1, A7C, and zve10) have similar enough color science... But feel free to tinker to your liking!
how much contrast would you usually add in post in da vinci resolve for sony zv-1?
Hello! Good question...but with this profile, I typically wouldn't add contrast. However, it's really up to your personal preference and when color correcting I'm always tinkering with the look per video or job. I also don't use Resolve, so I am not sure how you adjust it in there. Sorry I can't be more of a help here!
Super film dziękuję.Pozdrawiam.
Thank you!!
Y'all must be color blind.. Sony colors aren't that bad I had every brand camera and Sony colors was the easiest for me lol
It's likely a matter of precisely the opposite. I'm very particular about color shifts across multiple Sony camera bodies especially with variations in bit depth. I'm not sure if you watched the video, but my argument is that the color science within 8 bit Sony's, with no picture profile on, skews magenta with either a too heavy contrast or the blacks lowered more than I prefer when compared to such picture profiles as S-Cinetone in the newer 10 bit Sonys... So this video is how I customize my picture profile to replicate something closer to s-cinetone for older Sonys. I'm not taking a controversial perspective, as I demonstrate the color shift and how one could fix it. I'm happy that you've found a good workflow... What picture profile do you use?
Yea the colors with Sony are tricky 😂. Thanks for the gems bro!
I know! It was bugging me for awhile so I had to try and fix em... Not sure if I did, but I learned something trying
Wow bro i tryed this on my zv1 its fantastic !!!!!
That's awesome... I'm sincerely happy to hear that the profile worked for you!! I'm actually working on another video like this because I just made a new black and white one! Thanks again!!
Great video, super helpful. Thank you much!
Thank you so much; I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know and glad it was helpful!! Cheers!
bro ur vids r so good!! you need more subs for this quality!!
Thank you so much... I really appreciate that! Honestly, that's the best comment I could get. Thanks again!!
Love this bro. Great video. I’ve had the A7C for a year and half and just got the ZVE1 but I don’t like it. I prefer the colours of the A7C…any tips for the ZVE1?
Thank you so much... and that is really interesting to hear as I feel the opposite because the ZV-E1 has S-Cinetone and SLOG3! I also love some of the Cinematic Vlog color color combinations. I have made videos on both... Yet, what picture profile are you using on the ZV-E1?
Here is my video on SLOG3: ruclips.net/video/_oKWQTYZo4k/видео.html
Here is my video on the Cinematic Colors:
ruclips.net/video/EzJ7iE_9YSk/видео.html
Hope those help at all... Let me know!
@@BrianCatalano thanks so much bro. Will dive into these and film my next video with your settings. Will keep you posted. Keep up the great content. Cheers
@@guitarwalljams really appreciate it, and look forward to hearing your findings!
You should record all iso from 100 to 8000 in S-Cinetone mode (PP11) and from 16000 to 32000 in S-Log3, because "dual native iso" works bad on 12800. It randomly switches on and off on ZV-E1 (iso 12800). Don't use S-Log3 from ISO 640 to ISO 12800. It's terrible
@@superalex159 I can see how that approach would work! I personally only shoot in 100 or 2000 in s-cinetone during the day... And only 640 or 12800 in slog3 at night or indoors. I really don't stray from those four ISOs but there's so many ways to use the zve1. It's such a capable camera!
Yooooooo, this video was super good! I'm gonna try your z-cinetone on my ZV-1!! You also explained some important information about about the details in the picture profiles I didn't know! Thanks omfor thos info, Brian!! Also, I want that A7c...but I don't need it loool. Great video bro!!!!!
Thank you...and do try the Z-CINETONE one, it's really only a few adjustments. I tried a bunch of different tweaks the zv1 but kept coming back to this one.
Also, you definitely don't need to the A7C, but maybe when the A7Cii comes out, trade in your a74 for it
@BrianCatalano My precious A74:( I was planning to trade it in later for the A1 hahahaha I don't know...will see what happens when the later iterations come out. But really enjoyed all the info from this video. I think the cinetone settings are definitely for me!!!
@@francoismarc3 I really want the a74 as well, but I can wait for the A7Cii because it should be the same camera (a74) plus the a7r5's AF system... But a1 would be nuts!
@@BrianCatalano A1 is a beast!!!! Just doesn't have that flip screen I love so much...:(
@@francoismarc3 then consider the a7r5?
Great video. I wonder do you even use a LUT after this? What do you do in post? And yes I am aware these are very rookie questions. Thanks!
Thank you so much; I really appreciate it... And not a "rookie" question at all, or it's all relative, I'm just beginning to learn how to color grade and an still far from feeling like I have a grasp on it. I will say, even with these profiles, I may adjust colors in post (especially because the screen monitor is not very bright so I miss exposure a lot). Yet, I don't tend to use a set LUT when I do. However, it is a good idea... So if I wanted a certain creative look per each project, I may make a color grade preset and save it as a lut to use across footage.
I'm not sure if this video will help if you use Premiere, but this is how I create LUTs with some free s-cinetone ones that you could try:
ruclips.net/video/mz6cIjVAGsA/видео.html
Amazing. Creating your own preset seems like the way to go. Thanks again!
@@tuliovasconcelos11 I think you're right...and you're so welcome. Best of luck!
Pp is actually amazing thanks
I really appreciate that and legit happy it helped!!
Thanks for sharing your expertise, the c cinetone may work with the a7iii?
Yes, it definitely will work... Although, the a7c has a slightly different color science than the a73, so you may need to tinker a little bit with maybe the color phase, but they are so close that you may not even need too!
Thank you, and good luck!!
@@BrianCatalano i will try It and tell you , thanks !!! Greetings from mexico
@@omarcarbajal3043 yes, please do! ...and greetings from Los Angeles!!
Are u the same prof from Money Heist?
Ha ha... I wish!
You make the impossible, possible
I really appreciate that! I'm not sure I'm able to do anything more than you or anybody else, but at least I hope I'm helpful... Thanks again!
Thank you!
You're so welcome... Appreciate you taking the time to comment!!
Great video
Thank you!!
I am soooo frustrated with my zv1.
All sorts of tweaks either in pre or post production seem to not lead to any bearable results. There is always something waaaay off. Will try this too but am a bit disheartened. Seeing you having gone through so much to get this is somewhat motivating because maybe I am not just a dullard. Still, I just wish to get over this seemingly simple bump of getting acceptable visuals to finally concentrate more on the content creation side of things...
You definitely don't sound like a dullard (unless we both are)! I am constantly having issues with color management. I know just make sure my sequence settings are in rec 709 and then I modify and interpret the footage to rec 709 if I shoot in Hlog3.... Or I use this custom profile... Or just Intelligent Auto setting and forget it. What editing software do you use? I often find that to be the issue than the camera settings if you're trying to get the most out of the camera. Try this custom picture profile first, but I totally empathize with your frustrations!
@@BrianCatalano Thank you so much for this encouraging response!
I have spent thr last 2 weeks trying to wrap my head around DaVinci Resolve.
The last two things I shot in slog3 with gamut3, because I saw a thing about using an acescct-effect on that for getting decent transformation to rec709. My other attempt at direct CST or using the project settings for colormanagement have been just abysimal.
The best thing I shot do far has been the just uploaded "About this Channel", if you want to check it out. That was done with aces and even though I do not hate the overall look, the banding is just horrendous. I even have a colorcard and the waveform is just everywhere on the grey-scales, which is very visible in that uploaded video (my skin oscillates in RGB ffs). The colormatch was just leading to terribly red footage, so I dumped that for now.
This scattered waveform made me reconsider the picture profile because maybe the zv1 just cant get accurate data in slog3/gamut3.
But maybe it also has to do with messed up exposure/whitebalance? My office where I record has a huge window, which forces me to do autowhitebalance, since in custom color temperature within minutes my footage slowly transitions from warm to cold temperatures depending on cloud movements.
Aaargh, where do I even start?
This afternoon I will try out your Z-Cinetone and see what the waveform/parades and exported video ends up with at both no color correction as well as some slight touching up. After that I might just go through all the PPs.
But I am still unsure about this whitebalance maybe just throwing me off. I will also have to check again with zebras if the 18%grey shows me somewhat accurate exposure.
Still, now that you know more of my situstion, any pointers from your side?
@@BrianCatalano omg... First impression of your "Zinetone"(tm) is absolutely amazing. Definitely gonna shoot the next vid in that to also see it on other displays. A first glance at the waveform of the greyscale shows much more alignment which was even possible to basically perfect with the slightest touch on the primaries. But even before that it looks so saturated, conrasted, deep and frankly pretty professional. Wow! I am blown away by it. Thank you so much for this already. I will still try and learn much more about all of this but even if I keep running into dead ends, I at least have something to fall back onto. A solid base for absolutely decent footage so that the journey can finally start for good.
@@FelixChamber I would say, you seem to be set up with the right prerequisite knowledge for color grading and you are using the best program, so I think you will get it to liking rather soon. However, the only thing I would say, if I were you, do not use Slog3. In my opinion slog3 should not be used with 8 bit cameras unless you've mastered some level of technical prowess far exceeding my own. I also would not recommend slog2. I typically use Hlog3, but even that because finding a good rec709 conversion and not clipping the highlights can be hard since you cant monitor it with a conversation lut (unless you have an external monitor that you can load luts in). I'd say turn the picture profile off or use my custom profile with cine2 or cine4.
Even with my Sony Fx3, I only use Slog3 if I need to. I typically use it's S-Cinetone because the color management from in camera to exported to uploading on RUclips is seamless. Hlog3 can work but will take some practice exposing it and converting it. You could also try these Luts to see as well if they work for you: ruclips.net/video/mz6cIjVAGsA/видео.html
@@FelixChamber so happy to hear that!!
That mic sound phenomenal
Thank you... I already just bought a new mic, actually a cheaper one, that I'm trying out, to get more of that crispy podcast voice. This Sony mic is good but it is a shotgun mic so I had to do a lot of work to get it to sound like this
@@BrianCatalano what mic did you buy?
@@Thai.H it's called Maona XLR Podcast mic...$45 on Amazon
@@BrianCatalano ohhhh ok u went super cheap lmk how it sounds
@@Thai.H I did a lot of research. It's like a knockoff rodecaster, so far...sounds amazing