So Lori told Chad that she wanted the children to feel pain, but couldn't deal with the autopsy photos (aka the consequences of her maliciousness?) She's despicable. They all are. Disgusting.
He apparently sexually assaulted Colby and Tyler . And Colby said he did so has this been substantiated. Not saying he deserved The wrath of the Black widow spider.
@@seascape185The SA claims have not be substantiated. Court documents and 2 independent counselors did not believe Colby. They have been interviewed and are on RUclips. Lori had Colby lie about the SA so Joe wouldn’t get custody of Tylee.
Wait what? There were text msgs to Chad saying she wanted her children to experience pain! That’s in evidence? You just said she texted this to Chad while he was killing them?Ok good glad Doc has you Lauren to keep all this straight because it’s a big difference😊
Prior is a brutal attorney! We’ve watched him in action before.now he wants but he say it’s Chad wants to be moved back to original court house I am positive it’s because of Loris guilt in everyone’s mind it helps his case!
Although I suppose it would be really bad if I were to somehow become a patient of Dr John knowing what his job is right now, but I would love to have a psychologist as caring and empathetic and kind as he is.
THANK YOU Lauren for straight up saying you think Laurie is a psychopath. My thoughts the whole time!!!! Some things are just too obvious. Also, very sad and frustrating that she will not be tried for Joe's murder, which I also always attributed to her!!! I also hate the fact that anyone would think Chad is a "victim" of Laurie. No way in hell he is a victim of Laurie. I agree with Dr. John, she may have manipulated him and other men into falling for her fake attractiveness BUT you are either a murderer or you are not. Chad and Laurie are EQUALLY sick and vile and I really can't stomach hearing how Chad enjoys inflicting pain on children and how Laurie enjoys watching people die. It's just not human!!!
Chad is the one how scored your light and dark spirit it was Chad who said Tylee was a dark spirit ( zombie ) rated her over a 4 : because she didn’t like him! She had to go and Lori wanted all of her money , she probably felt she deserved it for getting rid of Joe beside her brother . She claimed to not only see Joe take his last breaths but added she ( enjoyed it ) I believe Chad & Lori both to be psychotic sociopaths and Lori also a narcissist . Fits the definition of them . To do what they have done and planed they have to be ! Joe Ryan may not get justice here and now . But she still has to answer for all those crimes she got away with . As wicked as she is I bet she has more in her closet . I never seen a mom who was all about loving her kids first it appeared to me always that she came first it was her wants and needs over what she deemed best for them . That’s my opinion, and she turned out far more sinister then I could imagine because it’s hard to put your thinking in line with how Satan thinks , normal people don’t think about being so evil she is as far away from God as a soul can be . For her to say she did all the evil Chad and their witches coven did to human beings she was supposed to keep safe that trusted her her own family and chads . To say it was in the name of God &Jesus guiding them is truly as evil as you can be , I would not want to be any of them come judgment day ! It really gets me all these cults that claim they are doing the work of the lord , shows how much the deceiver is out to get as many souls as he can snatch !
I really enjoy all of the analysis and insight into the Daybell case. I'm sincerely hoping that Chad spends the rest of his miserable life in prison. I hope that the friends and families of the victims find peace, healing, and happiness. I also hope that they feel some closure after justice is served and Chad is locked up for life.
I am with you on that. I for one would like to see the Court take the DP off the table. Why? Because he would then be in Gen Pop and that would be the worst punishment for him IMO. Chad is not going to do well trying to relate to the Gen Pop. He is a miserable person and not likeable.
@@lianehihath3439 I waver back and forth on whether I support the DP or not. For the most part I don't think anyone should have the right to murder someone else, including the government. I think about how difficult and traumatizing it must be for the jury, judge, and for the doctor/nurse in who actually administers the deadly drug cocktail to the person when their death sentence is carried out. I also think about the victims families and friends who might find some closure after the person who took their loved one from them is murdered. Does murder make sense as a punishment for murder?
But wasn't Chad the one who wrote the darkness rating and decided who died? I'm mad that ANYONE would think Chad is less culpable. I'm not saying anyone here feels this way. But ANYONE! This man murdered his faithful beautiful wife! He longed for a new adventurous life like his Harry Potter analogy! She definitely had a screw loose before they met but he set her loose on her own children and justified it!!! In my opinion of course! Both Lori & Chad are equally to blame and disgusting human beings. I feel like Annie Cushing deserves justice for her brother too! She is very much a person who was hurt by these two too.... Chad wasn't framed in my opinion but has an equal hand in this entire mess!
Yes. This isn't an 'either/or' situation. Lori (+ Alex) can have been murdering people long prior to meeting Chad, but that doesn't mean Chad isn't a vile POS himself who is entirely culpable for the murder(s) he *was* around for. The 'evil temptress' argument is just ridiculous. The evidence at the trial already established that Lori and Chad were making all kinds of plans and talking about the children and Tammy dying very soon after they met. There's no way Lori could have just magically convinced a man to go along with her plans if he wasn't already of a mindset and personality type to be inclined towards those kinds of thoughts and actions. Chad was an awful person already long before he met Lori. All that happened when they met is that they egged each other on and enabled each other. There was plenty in it for Chad. And if we are going off of previous behaviours, then it is also already known that Chad was cruising those conferences for women to have affairs with long before he met Lori. So he was likely already finding his wife to be an 'obstacle' and likely one he would have rather been rid of, once he could 'afford' it...
Lori is bat💩 crazy. Still able to realize that what she was doing was wrong and she is very manipulative. She is deserving of the worst punishment possible but she is crazy none the less. I feel like Chad is more manipulative than crazy. he craves power and admiration. I feel like that’s what drives all these “prophet” type people who see visions and other nonsense. They want to control people. The want to get their own selfish way and feel powerful. He was fully aware of what was going on. He not only participated in it but he instigated it by determining they were dark or light. When those two met it was like gasoline meeting fire.
That's because the unwashed masses were too uncouth to understand the eternally glorious relationship between her and Chad. She appeared to think that she was surrounded by unenlightened idiots and eventually she'd be proven right and the unwashed masses can eat cake. She was living in a glorious realm of a higher consciousness that was way over the heads of the commoners. How could we understand someone so perfect?
Yes plus I think she was acting like the victim...which is like the true lori bc she seemed to accuse ppl of doing things that she did or thought of doing...
Lori was undoubtedly behind Joe Ryan's murder. There is tons of circumstantial evidence, but not yet enough to file charges, though this may change. Witnesses have come forward with stories of Lori having said she was "glad his body wasn't found for several days", and that she "enjoyed watching him take his last breath". There's even a voice recording of her saying that she wanted to murder him. Joe Ryan was cremated.
With pointing the finger at Lori as the core mover of the murders I see the pattern of blaming Eve for bringing evil into the world by certain religions. Where in fact Adam could have said no.
Bingo, all guilty, all of them. Evil and mental illness are involved, but they are guilty. In my country we do call criminal organization, even though the players were just few. But if you put all of the little groups together, we find out that zumbis have one destination, to be dead, with prayers, casting out spirits or murder. I do not believe Audrey testimony, I just don’t. She was involved some way, some how.
It must have been so horrible fighting for custody against Lori and her henchmen! Going to court against narcissists is an actual nightmare. He must have feared for Tylees' safety every day. I have no doubt Lori did this to Joe. JUSTICE FOR JOE
I hesitate to comment, but I’ve always thought that bc Tylee was murdered 20+ days before JJ. Tylee was his main caregiver, and without her JJ was too hard to ‘control/deal with’ so he started acting out, asking questions etc…… hurts me to think about what JJ went through all alone with Lori & Chad. 😢
He also had lost his dad. She had moved him twice in a very short time, given away his service dog, and stopped giving him his medication 😥. Those things would make any child act out, especially a child with autism.
@yovillianify yes there is. Several witnesses said that Tylee was not around. Lori told them she had, "Gone to BYU." The same witnesses reported seeing J.J. during those times. There's a photo of J.J. in his pajamas, taken the morning he was killed. The last known photo of Tylee was taken at Yellowstone over a month prior.
@@pettrastrydom1129 Agreed. The birth of Lori's sickness springs from her father, the man she considered a spiritual giant. Both bad seed nurtured in that dysfunctional hothouse.
The thing is her niece Melanie had Lucky escape as she was trying to advice her to do the same thing to her Husband Brandon she would be in prison.as well I would say that she was Evil from the start and she was the mastermind in all of this and Chad Copied Lori to kill his wife.so they could receive the insurance money.. I’m pretty sure she killed Joe Ryan He must have been her first Victim. Then went on to kill Charles and the others. May the victims rest in peace
@@summerbright2769 Before he met Lori, Chad had been telling people Tammy would die soon. He had already planned to kill Tammy. Not only that but Chad was telling Lori that her children and Charles were possessed with dark spirits. He told Lori that trying to expell the dark spirits wasn't working.
Never disappointed with Dr. John's analysis!!! Or our Lauren picking up on and referring us back too the pertinent issues. Such quality coverage of this case, from to beginning too end!!! Big thanks too you both. 😊
What kind of hatred does it take to kill someone, have someone killed or even be happy when someone dies??? I cannot wrap my brain around that kind of hatred! It’s so unnecessary and sad. It’s torn so many people and so many families apart.
It’s a two part thing for me - how could you hate someone that much, and how could you actually physically kill someone? Or several people!? These people have some serious shorts in their wiring. Major mental illness with amazingly evil capacity.
@@carolynm9638 I think there are personality traits like narcissism and psychopathy in these 2. That is why they saw other people good only when they themselves were gratified. When someone was disturbing them, they eliminated them. It is difficult to wrap one's brain around it, but a psychopath or a narcissist has not achieved mental maturity that would allow them to look at things from other people's perspective. Evil like this is a defect. These crimes were executed in a calm an calculating manner. It is not a reliable sign of major mental illness.
It is not only hat, Lori is evil and sick at the same time. She is delusional, she does think Chad will save her by a portal and they will meet in heaven. Maybe there is a white horse in the narrative somewhere. It is a mix of all of these that made them dangerous.
+@@laurenmay2098 Delusions of grandeur - a symptom of her personality disorder - allowed her to do her crimes. Evil is such a difficult concept - we all define it differently.
Lori had no qualms about damaging her kids forever if it meant getting what she wanted. She planted the abuse accusations on Colby & rewarded him for influencing Tylee to lie about it. The pattern continued into adulthood. We saw in Court how every time Colby asked to speak to Tylee he got a Venmo from his murdered sister's account!! To the tune of almost 6K in just three months. Lori was never a good mother, she was just good at pretending to be one.
Dr. John and Lauren thank you for your lives, I have a problem believing that all these adults not only Chad and Lori stood by and allowed all this horrific stuff to happen. Chad was telling people long before Lori, that Tammy was going to die. He was just waiting for someone to come along to affirm his beliefs. He was alone with Tammy when she was murdered and Lori made sure she was out of town. More people need to be charged everyone who followed Lori and Chad everyone who went along with their plan and said nothing until they had to save their own skin. Thank you again.
Well, he was casting spells on her for that to happen. Because it wasn’t happening, they went to plan B, Alex. I do not believe in the case of Tammy, that Chad put his hands on her. He is a coward. However, I think he murdered Tylee and Alex did murdered JJ. The raccoon killing was too suspicious.
Exactly. I think he was lining up one of the other women.. then along came Lori. You can imagine that he told that same ‘vision’ of Tammy’s death to Lori too, then the plot thickened from there. Perhaps she confided about Joes death to him too and Chad gave Alex his ‘warrior knighthood’ after that.
I think that they also have DNA of chad at the crime scene of the burial site. This woman’s testimony was more telling than Melanie Gibb because of what she said about cutting Audrey into little pieces and burying her where no one could find her. I believe her testimony and it finally showed how evil she was. This woman was visibly shaken by what happened. Melanie Gibb had no emotion about the children being murdered or Tammy. She felt sorry that chad and Lori couldn’t be together. She only testified to get off of the hook for lying to the police. She was blaming chad. Chad was the one who called Melanie and asked her to lie to the police. It’s chad’s yard where the kids were found and he sent that text to his wife about the raccoon. His lawyer is grasping at straws to try and get him off.
Flames are still coming for this one... I don't believe one minute of her testimony in any regard. Did you hear that fake whaaaattt? Of all of the co-conspirators, this one bothers me the most.@Rescuemom3
Pulmonary Embolism. (Blood clots in lungs). There are any good poisons/meds to induce that to quickly cause a passing. Autopsy is on East Idaho News website
I don’t believe Joe Ryan was molesting Lori’s kids as she claimed. I think she made that up to hurt him as much as she could during their split. She’s that evil and vindictive, in my humble opinion. She also demonized all 4 of her ex-husbands. Thus, a pattern of behavior.
I wish the prosecution had caught that Audrey said Lori said she was there when someone took their last breaths. Maybe they could have asked clarifying questions on redirect.
It was the prosecution witness they knew very well the information and the reason it was so vague is because the judge limited the information is what I understand.
@@missvickimae1150Thanks for the info. It makes sense now. I was bewildered at how short and rather gentle the cross examination was in addition to the vagueness of the prosecutors questioning.
@missvickimae1150 , I wondered about that. But the subject was brought up when she was being questioned by the defense. I'm not a lawyer, but I know there is some rule where a subject or evidence that is inadmissible for one side can be addressed if the other side brings it up. I don't have any idea, though, if that rule would apply here.
I’m just wondering how a so called religion can exist , Chad developed and actually got followers ??? How mentally I’ll are these people and nobody recognized their strange behaviour?? Family, friends??????
I agree, you have to wonder….loneliness and a need to belong drives so many good, honest people to blindly follow people like Chad. They’re not to blame. Hopefully it opens their eyes. How many more of Chad’s “ true believers” are still out there, I think Audrey may be worried about that too. Thank you both for this info….
Great discussion as always. Thank you both! Thank you also for your side-noted mention of Stephen King's book: 'On Writing'. As a lifelong (so far...) Mainer I spent much of my teen years reading all the Stephen King books from my father's bookcase (along with True Crime Psychology... of course). I had forgotten he'd written 'On Writing' later on. I just added it to my 'Audible' library & will have to get my father the hard copy. Take care 🥰
Let's not forget that Chad asked Lori if he should increase the pain, and give them a reason to scream. That was Chad's idea. They are zombies and the only way to get rid of zombies is to kill the body, again Chad's idea.
I think Chad wanted to appear powerful like God by trying to appear knowledgeable and judging people. He wanted to be admired, worshiped, followed, but I think Lori was the one who wanted to do something about it. She was the proactive part.
I question the idea that Chad had never been violent up until the murders. I think there's a lot of evidence that he was very controlling of Tammy and manipulative. I saw it when he made up that Tammy's dead relative told him that she needed to stop playing a video game and was supposed to be doing other work instead (something about ancestry work, I think). I think he was mad that she was taking time to do something that she enjoyed that was just for her. I saw it in one of the interviews on this channel. I can't remember who. They said when they visited, Tammy was very sweet and friendly and seemed to enjoy the company. But the visits never lasted long because Chad would always appear and be giving Tammy a look indicating that the visit needed to end. Then he decreed that they had to move to Idaho. Something that Tammy definitely did not want to do. It took her away and isolated her from all her friends and extended family. These things are huge red flags for psychological abuse, which often indicates that there is also domestic violence occurring or that will occur.
Very astute observation. I totally agree. Tammy lived with coercive control and suffered depression as a result. Imo. Lived with a guy who went about telling his followers that she was going to die.
I agree! And wasn’t he always telling people before Lori that Tammy would die in a car accident, then absolutely insists she go on a long car trip alone to see her parents? I bet he tried messing with her car.
I believe Tylee was murdered because she knew too much about Joe’s murders, as well. Tylee was used as a pawn to get access to Joe Ryan. Alex and Lori had unsuccessfully attempted to murder Joe before by aiming a tazer at his heart.
@@jillschneider2953 Oh yes to all of that! It makes my blood boil when I think about Lori and how she treated people who were unfortunate enough to be in her life. When she grew tired of them, in her sick mind, They were disposable to her when she was finished with them and they were in her way. She’s evil personified.
I assumed that Lori and Alex murdered Joe. It was too much of a coincidence that Alex had failed to murder him prior to that and I think he was too young and healthy to die of a heart attack.
He was taking Anti-abuse...a medication which can cause a heart attack when any alcohol is consumed...my theory is someone got into his apartment and poisoned the juice (left on the counter in after death photos) with contact lense solution or visine then watched him collapse. His clothes were layed out as of removed by someone else perhaps before he was dragged puking in the shower. I always thought Lori made her daughter call her Dad and say she wanted to see him. This I think happened when Lori found out about him being on disability and getting benefits for Ty. Social Security contacts the child's school to confirm attendance and the child is paid monthly, Joe apparently had stored her money up on a debit which Lori had after Joes death. IMO Lori and Ty probably killed Joe. Sorry to say that but she was a little girl of a psychopath...she didn't know how to tell her no and live through it.
@@Cruella-mm6qoall his pictures does not show him as overweight. But heart disease isn’t not only for overweight people. There is no way Lori didn’t had her hands on Joe’s death. By that time it was money and power over Tylee’s life. Then by the time of Charles death, it was sex, money and power., since Chad was in the picture already.
@@laurenmay2098 his autopsy listed his heart conditions, his medications and listed him as heavyset. Not sure what pictures have to do with the medical facts.
@@rhiannon7163Tre trial is in IDAHO not UTAH! Thank Heavens! Chad is a dunce, yes Pryor is DEFINITELY a hothead, and Pain in the Rear! He needs to learn to have more respect for the Court, and Judge Boyce. Calling him “Judge” conginuously in the preliminary trial. He will need to use more respect with the judge, otherwise it will go badly for Chad, his strange beliefs, and the jury will have little patience for any of it!
Thank you Lauren & Dr John💖❤💖❤️💖 I have wondered for some time now, if Alex's death was masked somehow. Gosh what an awful situation. Too crazy for words!😢😢 Love from me, Steph - at New South Wales, Australia. 🌺💝🌺💝
They would have gotten away with it if they had left JJ alone and sent him back to Kay. Nobody would have raised alarms about Tylee. Charles was deemed self defense and Tammy's death wasn't initially questioned. These horrific crimes came to light because Kay knew something horrible was going on.
That’s scary to think about Deborah! Good thing Lori is also an idiot. But it’s heartbreaking to think about ALL the people close to Lori who KNEW horrible things were going on and who did nothing to help the kids or Tammy.
@@llamamama2910 would he have been able too? Tylee was almost an adult and Lori would have told him some story. He was pretty loyal to his mother before it all came out and the bodies found. I doubt he would have believed his mother capable of such awful acts until there was no choice but to believe it.
So what if she was the instigator?! does that make Daybell innocent? Thats a strange argument, Daybell has his own will and choice and he chose to participate in murdering innocent people. To be convinced in a crime the illegal action committed by a person must fulfill the four elements of crime which are criminal intent, criminal act, concurrence and caution , and Daybell fulfilled all of them. Daybell is an adult who know right from wrong in-fact he sees of himself as
Regarding Lori’s texts about the children suffering….. remember the texts about melani’s children???? Similar statements about them regarding causing them pain.
You guys got me trying to think of what my favorite Stephen King book is now. I’d think I’d have to say The Green Mile would be my #1 (which, I read it when it first came out and back then it was put out in 6 installments. 1 a month. It was maddening having to wait a whole month for the next chapter.) And then I think 11/22/63 would come in at a very close #2. That book is huge but it was so good that I breezed through it in two days because I literally could not put it down. Dang, I need to start reading Stephen King again. I had forgotten how much I love his books.
QUESTION: on the testimony we heard last, Audrey said that when telling Lori she would leave and she didn’t want to do it and Lori said “you were supposed to help me”….. help you do what Lori? She didn’t quite say…
I have taught 3rd grade for more than 30 years. Never has one of my students written a story like that and I have taught children with conduct disorder on more than one occasion. I would have flagged that child for psychological assessment.
@@Teresa-tn4we Multiple probations and demons possessing people, ideas from Julie Rowe and Visions of Glory. I think Chad made up the light and dark scale.
yes if tylee was getting a monthly check from her dad's social security, lori would be the payee, with Joe gone. and until tylee was either grown up or reported dead, it would just keep being deposited each month.
Very interesting analysis tonight. I hope the prosecution is listening so that they can use this to at least put Chad away for life. If anybody deserves the death penalty, it would be those 2. I think both of them could be called serial killers.
Ι totally agree with Dr John's opinion that it's the beliefs that caused the murders. One more thing Prior chooses to ignore is that even if Lori had murdered before, her homicidal mania turned against her own children only after she met Chad.
Yet there's also indications that Lori quite likely had Munchausen's by proxy and had been poisoning/medically abusing Tylee. She hadn't murdered her kids yet, but she had displayed aggression towards Tylee - the seeds were there.
Lori murdered the kids after losing Charles life insurance to Kay. Killing jj was twofold... hurt Kay and cast out the filthy demon possessing jj to save his soul... 😮
I’m not on the live watching this, but I hope you can address my question at some point. What was it /is it about these “friends” that allowed Lori to trust that they would neither be shocked by such a disclosure or contact the police after she made those statements?
It’s crazy to think that Lori met a guy and then in under a year led an effort to kill her husband, children and his spouse. Although its possible that Chad may have eventually left his wife I don’t believe he would have ever thought to kill her for the insurance money. In fact my guess is he would have stayed with Tammy but slept around. Speaking of which I believe Audrey was being groomed by him. Suppose she let slip to Lori that she was also connected to Chad in a former life ??? What if Chad promised to also marry Audrey? If so Audrey is 💯lucky to be alive and it explains why she was still traipsing around with Lori.
Thanks for keeping it so real guys, from the very beginning you’ve been stressing the importance of following the facts and evidence and building theories that look at both sides and it’s very reassuring!
Regardless of whether this is true, or not, many of these women were told by Chad, they were married to him in past probation. That, in my opinion, puts these women as rivals for his attention, and what better way to gain his favor again than to put the blame on Lori for being the manipulator, thus putting him in more of a victim role rather than a co-conspirator. Both are complicit.
The thing is that if someone tells you that we’re married to you in the their pest life. It doesn’t mean that you go around killing people I put the blame surely on Lori When she met Chad she had already killed Joe Ryan And also shortly after that she killed Charles. It was patron and then within two months the children were gone.. so some reason she was always killer
Another great episode from Lauren and John. Can’t always catch lives as I’m in UK. Any chance of some earlier ones. I know it’s a bind, time zones mean you can’t please everyone.
The defense for Chad is using an irrational defense that uses black and white reasoning skills. Just because Lori has been prosecuted and bad things were brought out about her character doesn't mean that those same bad qualities aren't also true of Chad. His defense is trying to create a good guy vs bad guy defense and it's just not rational, especially when both actors were acting in collusion with each other and with the same goals. There is no versus in the case between Chad and Lori, only collusion. They weren't acting against each other at any point, but were rather working with each other at every point.
They’re also completely ignoring the reason Lori isn’t sitting on death row now - the prosecution screwed up the discovery and that was their sanction from the judge. No one has screwed up Chad’s discovery as of yet, there’s no reason the state should face the same sanction.
I do not understand how anybody can say that Lori is the only common thread, that would imply she's the only one and the one that is connected to Tammy, which obviously isn't true. They are both equally the common thread because of Lori's children and Chad's wife. The prosecution saying Lori was the Common Thread was compared to the rest of the population like a Stanger for example. The prosecution can say and probably will say the same thing about Chad because it's only his trial. Chad and Lori were the common thread. They are going to talk about Lori at Lori's trial and Chads trail. He wanted a separate trial so he got it he can't be bringing Lori into it and trying to prosecute her when he is the one being prosecuted. Chad and Lori are equally the common thread. You would think Chad's lawyer would understand that they were not Prosecuting Chad and Lori's trial and they won't be prosecuting Lori at Chad's trial. He wanted them separate. I don't understand how he thinks anything in her trial will be or can be considered as any kind of evidence in his, it won't because it's his trial now nobody ever gets to bring in somebody else's trial as evidence. Not to mention it doesn't matter who tell somebody or even pay somebody to murder somebody they are just as culpable, even if they only dug the grave they can spend life in prison
From my understanding, a death penalty trial is much more difficult to try and easier to end up with mistrial. IMO they should drop it in order to dispatch his trial and put him away for life. Prison will be hell for him. He’s not cut out to handle it well.
If someone in my friend group asked me to participate in expelling a demonic entity from another human being - I would be astounded and amazed at the audacity. I would never participate EVER! I don’t play that way and wouldn’t choose “friends” demented and delusional like this. Mormon or not. I’m clear about EVIL and I’m not participating. Life is good, when you’re autonomous. People are so strange and when in groups, violence is too easy! This is so far from GOOD I can’t believe it started w NDAs and ego and stupid mortal ideas.
Yeah however it's different with churches ...they and I...Belive in God and Jesus, and I'm steadfast that God is Love and no way ever would he accept murdering esp the children and esp the way they did...totalled against God...❤🎉
Talking about Steven king books ,the difference in his writing is a lot of his characters show deep empathy , you only need to read the green mile to see huge amounts of empathy ,even towards a mouse . To me Lori is deeply mentally ill , but she still knows what she did was wrong and illegal , hence how they hid the crime , I think chad is the instigator of the murders in as much as the light and dark scale , he was choosing the victims , I think Lori's motives were always money , Chads were that he wanted to be seen as someone important,like in his books , he wanted to be this righteous religious hero leading Ng people in to the future and he wanted to be attractive , so he saw Lori as validating how he was attractive to someone he considered beautiful and he had some power , both are responsible , Lori knew she could manipulate and Chad was secretly feeding her and others his beliefs to control what they did , I think the fact he wanted children to suffer and how he was laughing in his text about killing a racoon ( knowing it was the children shows how evil he is , both need to spend the rest of their lives in prison . I would also look into to Chad's past , there could be other things , his old job was a perfect place to hide crimes .
Has anyone been able to get interviews with Lori's first two husband's? They must have some insight into the life of Lori, and the Cox family. Her upbringing clearly had an impact on Lori's psychology.
Tv@@InTheGarden1960all you would need to do is enter one of our church buildings and see for yourself the art work on the walls are of Jesus Christ for he is the one that we strive to follow.
This is Mrs. Garry, commenting. I always appreciate you both and what you bring forward on these complicated topics. This very complex Daybell case needs you both to dissect and clarify it. Thank you. ( I might add, however, Lauren, you look especially nice with the lighter hair.) Cheryl Fisher
That’s sickening beyond words the fact that Chad said he wants to increase the pain that the children suffer. It shows he is a sadistic, evil and vile thing!! Lori is just as bad to even agree. As a mother to think that your children would suffer one ounce of pain would be enough to have any parent in A perpetual grief state. It’s just unfathomable to me. Oh my god to actually think of what those children went through, it’s hard to do because it’s hard enough knowing that they were un alived but to think that they were not killed quickly and suffered destroys me.
Your husband, Dr. John aka Dr. Babe was the first I heard talk about shame in reference to Alex Murdaugh, now I hear it all the time in reference to these type of evil murders.
So Lori told Chad that she wanted the children to feel pain, but couldn't deal with the autopsy photos (aka the consequences of her maliciousness?) She's despicable. They all are. Disgusting.
Only when the world was watching.
The only thing Joe Ryan wanted was to be a father and be in his daughter’s life. It’s heartbreaking.
It’s sad and very unfortunate he chose the evil witch, Lori.
He apparently sexually assaulted Colby and Tyler . And Colby said he did so has this been substantiated. Not saying he deserved The wrath of the Black widow spider.
@@seascape185The SA claims have not be substantiated. Court documents and 2 independent counselors did not believe Colby. They have been interviewed and are on RUclips. Lori had Colby lie about the SA so Joe wouldn’t get custody of Tylee.
Wait what? There were text msgs to Chad saying she wanted her children to experience pain! That’s in evidence? You just said she texted this to Chad while he was killing them?Ok good glad Doc has you Lauren to keep all this straight because it’s a big difference😊
Prior is a brutal attorney! We’ve watched him in action before.now he wants but he say it’s Chad wants to be moved back to original court house I am positive it’s because of Loris guilt in everyone’s mind it helps his case!
Although I suppose it would be really bad if I were to somehow become a patient of Dr John knowing what his job is right now, but I would love to have a psychologist as caring and empathetic and kind as he is.
Wanting to increase the pain upon murdering your own children is sickening🤮🤢🥵
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THANK YOU Lauren for straight up saying you think Laurie is a psychopath. My thoughts the whole time!!!! Some things are just too obvious.
Also, very sad and frustrating that she will not be tried for Joe's murder, which I also always attributed to her!!!
I also hate the fact that anyone would think Chad is a "victim" of Laurie. No way in hell he is a victim of Laurie. I agree with Dr. John, she may have manipulated him and other men into falling for her fake attractiveness BUT you are either a murderer or you are not. Chad and Laurie are EQUALLY sick and vile and I really can't stomach hearing how Chad enjoys inflicting pain on children and how Laurie enjoys watching people die. It's just not human!!!
Chad is the one how scored your light and dark spirit it was Chad who said Tylee was a dark spirit ( zombie ) rated her over a 4 : because she didn’t like him! She had to go and Lori wanted all of her money , she probably felt she deserved it for getting rid of Joe beside her brother . She claimed to not only see Joe take his last breaths but added she ( enjoyed it ) I believe Chad & Lori both to be psychotic sociopaths and Lori also a narcissist . Fits the definition of them . To do what they have done and planed they have to be ! Joe Ryan may not get justice here and now . But she still has to answer for all those crimes she got away with . As wicked as she is I bet she has more in her closet . I never seen a mom who was all about loving her kids first it appeared to me always that she came first it was her wants and needs over what she deemed best for them . That’s my opinion, and she turned out far more sinister then I could imagine because it’s hard to put your thinking in line with how Satan thinks , normal people don’t think about being so evil she is as far away from God as a soul can be . For her to say she did all the evil Chad and their witches coven did to human beings she was supposed to keep safe that trusted her her own family and chads . To say it was in the name of God &Jesus guiding them is truly as evil as you can be , I would not want to be any of them come judgment day ! It really gets me all these cults that claim they are doing the work of the lord , shows how much the deceiver is out to get as many souls as he can snatch !
If chad was Lori's victim he wouldn't still be alive!
Sorry Chadwick, the "she made me do it" defense doesn't fly after age 5.
@@ajordan1976 Chad waived his right to a speedy trial and Lori didn't. So they had to separate the cases.
Hahahaha 😂
Sure doesn't!!!
I really enjoy all of the analysis and insight into the Daybell case. I'm sincerely hoping that Chad spends the rest of his miserable life in prison. I hope that the friends and families of the victims find peace, healing, and happiness. I also hope that they feel some closure after justice is served and Chad is locked up for life.
so true
Chad is not going anywhere soon. He is getting life if not death in this case.
Well said
I am with you on that. I for one would like to see the Court take the DP off the table. Why? Because he would then be in Gen Pop and that would be the worst punishment for him IMO. Chad is not going to do well trying to relate to the Gen Pop. He is a miserable person and not likeable.
@@lianehihath3439 I waver back and forth on whether I support the DP or not. For the most part I don't think anyone should have the right to murder someone else, including the government. I think about how difficult and traumatizing it must be for the jury, judge, and for the doctor/nurse in who actually administers the deadly drug cocktail to the person when their death sentence is carried out. I also think about the victims families and friends who might find some closure after the person who took their loved one from them is murdered. Does murder make sense as a punishment for murder?
But wasn't Chad the one who wrote the darkness rating and decided who died? I'm mad that ANYONE would think Chad is less culpable. I'm not saying anyone here feels this way. But ANYONE! This man murdered his faithful beautiful wife! He longed for a new adventurous life like his Harry Potter analogy! She definitely had a screw loose before they met but he set her loose on her own children and justified it!!! In my opinion of course! Both Lori & Chad are equally to blame and disgusting human beings. I feel like Annie Cushing deserves justice for her brother too! She is very much a person who was hurt by these two too.... Chad wasn't framed in my opinion but has an equal hand in this entire mess!
Bingo!
You nailed it-no way Chad is innocent or even just being dragged along. He’s just as guilty in this and will be found guilty.
Yes. This isn't an 'either/or' situation. Lori (+ Alex) can have been murdering people long prior to meeting Chad, but that doesn't mean Chad isn't a vile POS himself who is entirely culpable for the murder(s) he *was* around for. The 'evil temptress' argument is just ridiculous. The evidence at the trial already established that Lori and Chad were making all kinds of plans and talking about the children and Tammy dying very soon after they met. There's no way Lori could have just magically convinced a man to go along with her plans if he wasn't already of a mindset and personality type to be inclined towards those kinds of thoughts and actions. Chad was an awful person already long before he met Lori. All that happened when they met is that they egged each other on and enabled each other. There was plenty in it for Chad. And if we are going off of previous behaviours, then it is also already known that Chad was cruising those conferences for women to have affairs with long before he met Lori. So he was likely already finding his wife to be an 'obstacle' and likely one he would have rather been rid of, once he could 'afford' it...
Lori is bat💩 crazy. Still able to realize that what she was doing was wrong and she is very manipulative. She is deserving of the worst punishment possible but she is crazy none the less. I feel like Chad is more manipulative than crazy. he craves power and admiration. I feel like that’s what drives all these “prophet” type people who see visions and other nonsense. They want to control people. The want to get their own selfish way and feel powerful. He was fully aware of what was going on. He not only participated in it but he instigated it by determining they were dark or light. When those two met it was like gasoline meeting fire.
Agreed
Lori's speech at sentencing showed absolutely no hint of grief.
There’s total strangers crying for JJ and Tylee but both menalenis not a tear smh
She’s thought to be a psychopath, & they don’t have access to that emotion. No guilt, love, grief for others. No human sensitivity.
That's because the unwashed masses were too uncouth to understand the eternally glorious relationship between her and Chad. She appeared to think that she was surrounded by unenlightened idiots and eventually she'd be proven right and the unwashed masses can eat cake. She was living in a glorious realm of a higher consciousness that was way over the heads of the commoners. How could we understand someone so perfect?
Yes plus I think she was acting like the victim...which is like the true lori bc she seemed to accuse ppl of doing things that she did or thought of doing...
@@rhondasisco-cleveland2665Lori and Chad are psychopaths!!
I thought Lori was responsible for Joe Ryon's death also .
Was he cremated? I believe it’s way bigger than we know.
She's going to stand trial for Charle's death in AZ.
IF THE POLICE TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY SOME OF THIS MIGHT NOT OF HAPPENED
Lori was undoubtedly behind Joe Ryan's murder. There is tons of circumstantial evidence, but not yet enough to file charges, though this may change. Witnesses have come forward with stories of Lori having said she was "glad his body wasn't found for several days", and that she "enjoyed watching him take his last breath". There's even a voice recording of her saying that she wanted to murder him. Joe Ryan was cremated.
She was! She hated him because she lost custody to him because she lied about sexual abuse of Tylee and her son Colby.
With pointing the finger at Lori as the core mover of the murders I see the pattern of blaming Eve for bringing evil into the world by certain religions. Where in fact Adam could have said no.
Bingo, all guilty, all of them. Evil and mental illness are involved, but they are guilty. In my country we do call criminal organization, even though the players were just few. But if you put all of the little groups together, we find out that zumbis have one destination, to be dead, with prayers, casting out spirits or murder. I do not believe Audrey testimony, I just don’t. She was involved some way, some how.
I predict death penalty off the table for Chad
An excuse as old as time itself- the evil woman who tempts her man
I've always thought it was Adam who ate the apple & he blamed Eve. 😅😅😅
@@SweetUniverse Best comment. 😂
It must have been so horrible fighting for custody against Lori and her henchmen! Going to court against narcissists is an actual nightmare. He must have feared for Tylees' safety every day. I have no doubt Lori did this to Joe. JUSTICE FOR JOE
All her ex dated she lied about her ex es
Justice for Joe 😢
I doubt Lori had Alex murder Joe Ryan as well..
@iveliserojas612 That's interesting! Would love to hear from some of her exs...
Don't doubt...
Stephen King portrayed the murderers as the bad guy. Chad portrayed himself and Lori as the heroes.
I hesitate to comment, but I’ve always thought that bc Tylee was murdered 20+ days before JJ. Tylee was his main caregiver, and without her JJ was too hard to ‘control/deal with’ so he started acting out, asking questions etc…… hurts me to think about what JJ went through all alone with Lori & Chad. 😢
He also had lost his dad. She had moved him twice in a very short time, given away his service dog, and stopped giving him his medication 😥. Those things would make any child act out, especially a child with autism.
My thoughts exactly!
No proof Tylee died first
@yovillianify yes there is. Several witnesses said that Tylee was not around. Lori told them she had, "Gone to BYU." The same witnesses reported seeing J.J. during those times. There's a photo of J.J. in his pajamas, taken the morning he was killed. The last known photo of Tylee was taken at Yellowstone over a month prior.
Also, JJ was easier to lie to about Tylee’s absence.. whereas, Tylee would have been harder to fool in JJ’s absence …??
I've been saying that since Lori's trail. And I also think she and her brother Alex has dirty hands regarding their sister's death!
or, Alex and the Cox father.
@@mtaylor7307if so, then she knows every little detail about it.
@@pettrastrydom1129 Agreed. The birth of Lori's sickness springs from her father, the man she considered a spiritual giant. Both bad seed nurtured in that dysfunctional hothouse.
The thing is her niece Melanie had Lucky escape as she was trying to advice her to do the same thing to her Husband Brandon she would be in prison.as well
I would say that she was Evil from the start and she was the mastermind in all of this and Chad Copied Lori to kill his wife.so they could receive the insurance money..
I’m pretty sure she killed Joe Ryan
He must have been her first Victim. Then went on to kill Charles and the others.
May the victims rest in peace
@@summerbright2769 Before he met Lori, Chad had been telling people Tammy would die soon. He had already planned to kill Tammy. Not only that but Chad was telling Lori that her children and Charles were possessed with dark spirits. He told Lori that trying to expell the dark spirits wasn't working.
Never disappointed with Dr. John's analysis!!! Or our Lauren picking up on and referring us back too the pertinent issues.
Such quality coverage of this case, from to beginning too end!!!
Big thanks too you both. 😊
I would love her first two husbands to be interviewed .
I heard they couldn’t find them. They are probably hiding.
There are police videos of Charles begging for help because he knew she was going to kill him. So heartbreaking after everything that happened.
I wonder if the first 2 are alive.
@@juliespencer9673, I'm pretty sure they are. Unlike her 3rd and 4th 😰
My argument would be, THERE WERE TWO AMAZING CHILDREN MURDERED AND BURIED IN HIS BACKYARD. God help us, what a messed up world.
What kind of hatred does it take to kill someone, have someone killed or even be happy when someone dies??? I cannot wrap my brain around that kind of hatred! It’s so unnecessary and sad. It’s torn so many people and so many families apart.
Hatred is not necessary.. The victims stood between Chad & Lori and what they consider is rightfully theirs.
It’s a two part thing for me - how could you hate someone that much, and how could you actually physically kill someone? Or several people!? These people have some serious shorts in their wiring. Major mental illness with amazingly evil capacity.
@@carolynm9638 I think there are personality traits like narcissism and psychopathy in these 2. That is why they saw other people good only when they themselves were gratified. When someone was disturbing them, they eliminated them. It is difficult to wrap one's brain around it, but a psychopath or a narcissist has not achieved mental maturity that would allow them to look at things from other people's perspective. Evil like this is a defect. These crimes were executed in a calm an calculating manner. It is not a reliable sign of major mental illness.
It is not only hat, Lori is evil and sick at the same time. She is delusional, she does think Chad will save her by a portal and they will meet in heaven. Maybe there is a white horse in the narrative somewhere. It is a mix of all of these that made them dangerous.
+@@laurenmay2098 Delusions of grandeur - a symptom of her personality disorder - allowed her to do her crimes. Evil is such a difficult concept - we all define it differently.
Lauren & Dr John, I have heard that statement previously, I was in shock; to hear it again scares me!
New South Wales, Australia
Lori had no qualms about damaging her kids forever if it meant getting what she wanted. She planted the abuse accusations on Colby & rewarded him for influencing Tylee to lie about it. The pattern continued into adulthood. We saw in Court how every time Colby asked to speak to Tylee he got a Venmo from his murdered sister's account!! To the tune of almost 6K in just three months. Lori was never a good mother, she was just good at pretending to be one.
My goodness this is crazy stuff. Thanks for the info.
Thank you Lauren& Dr. Babes !
Dr. John and Lauren thank you for your lives, I have a problem believing that all these adults not only Chad and Lori stood by and allowed all this horrific stuff to happen. Chad was telling people long before Lori, that Tammy was going to die. He was just waiting for someone to come along to affirm his beliefs. He was alone with Tammy when she was murdered and Lori made sure she was out of town. More people need to be charged everyone who followed Lori and Chad everyone who went along with their plan and said nothing until they had to save their own skin. Thank you again.
Well, he was casting spells on her for that to happen. Because it wasn’t happening, they went to plan B, Alex. I do not believe in the case of Tammy, that Chad put his hands on her. He is a coward. However, I think he murdered Tylee and Alex did murdered JJ. The raccoon killing was too suspicious.
I think that sounds very LDS to me. Chad was a priesthood holder, therefore he wasn’t to be questioned. It’s a very patriarchal culture.
Exactly. I think he was lining up one of the other women.. then along came Lori. You can imagine that he told that same ‘vision’ of Tammy’s death to Lori too, then the plot thickened from there. Perhaps she confided about Joes death to him too and Chad gave Alex his ‘warrior knighthood’ after that.
There has been some speculation that Alex showed up at Chad's house the night Tammy was murdered.
@mshockey73 he did. In my opinion, Chad wasn't the one killing Tammy but Alex. Alex was their handyman doing the killing.
I think that they also have DNA of chad at the crime scene of the burial site. This woman’s testimony was more telling than Melanie Gibb because of what she said about cutting Audrey into little pieces and burying her where no one could find her. I believe her testimony and it finally showed how evil she was. This woman was visibly shaken by what happened. Melanie Gibb had no emotion about the children being murdered or Tammy. She felt sorry that chad and Lori couldn’t be together. She only testified to get off of the hook for lying to the police. She was blaming chad. Chad was the one who called Melanie and asked her to lie to the police. It’s chad’s yard where the kids were found and he sent that text to his wife about the raccoon. His lawyer is grasping at straws to try and get him off.
Gibb and niece Melanie are complicit as hell!!
Flames are still coming for this one... I don't believe one minute of her testimony in any regard. Did you hear that fake whaaaattt? Of all of the co-conspirators, this one bothers me the most.@Rescuemom3
Totally agree 100 percent ❤
They poisoned Alex too
Thought they found a brain aneurysm?
No evidence of that.
His wife has given testimony that gives credence to Alex committing suicide....
Pulmonary Embolism. (Blood clots in lungs).
There are any good poisons/meds to induce that to quickly cause a passing.
Autopsy is on East Idaho News website
@@cynthiagimbel6590 really, I didn’t know that.
How did Lori go from murdering Joe Ryan to get rid of her pain because she thought he was hurting her kids into murdering them herself?
The woman is crazy.
Money, social security of Tylee was used by Loris and her oldest son. He was emotionally and financially dependent on Lori.
I don’t believe Joe Ryan was molesting Lori’s kids as she claimed. I think she made that up to hurt him as much as she could during their split. She’s that evil and vindictive, in my humble opinion. She also demonized all 4 of her ex-husbands. Thus, a pattern of behavior.
@@EattheFOODTina-ND Absolutely agree with you 💯
I do not believe it
I wish the prosecution had caught that Audrey said Lori said she was there when someone took their last breaths. Maybe they could have asked clarifying questions on redirect.
Me too!
It was the prosecution witness they knew very well the information and the reason it was so vague is because the judge limited the information is what I understand.
@@missvickimae1150Thanks for the info. It makes sense now. I was bewildered at how short and rather gentle the cross examination was in addition to the vagueness of the prosecutors questioning.
@missvickimae1150 , I wondered about that. But the subject was brought up when she was being questioned by the defense. I'm not a lawyer, but I know there is some rule where a subject or evidence that is inadmissible for one side can be addressed if the other side brings it up. I don't have any idea, though, if that rule would apply here.
It was most likely only hearsay evidence. Although the judge did allow quite a lot of hearsay into the trial.
I’m just wondering how a so called religion can exist , Chad developed and actually got followers ??? How mentally I’ll are these people and nobody recognized their strange behaviour?? Family, friends??????
just think of the "Church of Scientology" a criminal organization and so many followers. Cults and religions can be very dangerous for certain people.
Charles did and look where it got him 😢
@@heatherdewey3693 oh yes I forgot that Adam also was really concerned, I hope he is a witness at the trial for Charles .
It’s a crazy cult
I agree, you have to wonder….loneliness and a need to belong drives so many good, honest people to blindly follow people like Chad. They’re not to blame. Hopefully it opens their eyes. How many more of Chad’s “ true believers” are still out there, I think Audrey may be worried about that too. Thank you both for this info….
Great discussion as always. Thank you both!
Thank you also for your side-noted mention of Stephen King's book: 'On Writing'.
As a lifelong (so far...) Mainer I spent much of my teen years reading all the Stephen King books from my father's bookcase (along with True Crime Psychology... of course).
I had forgotten he'd written 'On Writing' later on.
I just added it to my 'Audible' library & will have to get my father the hard copy.
Take care 🥰
Lori was a ticking time bonb, and Chad was the match.
Let's not forget that Chad asked Lori if he should increase the pain, and give them a reason to scream. That was Chad's idea. They are zombies and the only way to get rid of zombies is to kill the body, again Chad's idea.
I think Chad wanted to appear powerful like God by trying to appear knowledgeable and judging people. He wanted to be admired, worshiped, followed, but I think Lori was the one who wanted to do something about it. She was the proactive part.
I question the idea that Chad had never been violent up until the murders. I think there's a lot of evidence that he was very controlling of Tammy and manipulative. I saw it when he made up that Tammy's dead relative told him that she needed to stop playing a video game and was supposed to be doing other work instead (something about ancestry work, I think). I think he was mad that she was taking time to do something that she enjoyed that was just for her. I saw it in one of the interviews on this channel. I can't remember who. They said when they visited, Tammy was very sweet and friendly and seemed to enjoy the company. But the visits never lasted long because Chad would always appear and be giving Tammy a look indicating that the visit needed to end. Then he decreed that they had to move to Idaho. Something that Tammy definitely did not want to do. It took her away and isolated her from all her friends and extended family. These things are huge red flags for psychological abuse, which often indicates that there is also domestic violence occurring or that will occur.
Very astute observation. I totally agree. Tammy lived with coercive control and suffered depression as a result. Imo. Lived with a guy who went about telling his followers that she was going to die.
Completely agree. Coercive control should not be underestimated. It is too often followed or accompanied by physical abuse or violence as well.
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I agree! And wasn’t he always telling people before Lori that Tammy would die in a car accident, then absolutely insists she go on a long car trip alone to see her parents? I bet he tried messing with her car.
It was ladies from the church who said that. They had good visits with Tami until Chad came home...
I believe Tylee was murdered because she knew too much about Joe’s murders, as well. Tylee was used as a pawn to get access to Joe Ryan. Alex and Lori had unsuccessfully attempted to murder Joe before by aiming a tazer at his heart.
Nah she was murdered bc they genuienly believed she had been taken over by a dark spirit. I don’t know about Chad, but Lori 100% believes this crap.
I think the same thing. Tylee knew too much, not just about Joe, but also Charles and her mother and Alex’ other diabolical acts
@@jillschneider2953 Oh yes to all of that! It makes my blood boil when I think about Lori and how she treated people who were unfortunate enough to be in her life. When she grew tired of them, in her sick mind, They were disposable to her when she was finished with them and they were in her way. She’s evil personified.
Tylee was present at Charles murder & was probably aware of the plan...she knew too much
The kids were unalived for money and to get them out of their way. They wanted an easy life.
I assumed that Lori and Alex murdered Joe. It was too much of a coincidence that Alex had failed to murder him prior to that and I think he was too young and healthy to die of a heart attack.
His autopsy said he had heart disease and was on several medications for his health problems and he was heavy set.
He was taking Anti-abuse...a medication which can cause a heart attack when any alcohol is consumed...my theory is someone got into his apartment and poisoned the juice (left on the counter in after death photos) with contact lense solution or visine then watched him collapse. His clothes were layed out as of removed by someone else perhaps before he was dragged puking in the shower.
I always thought Lori made her daughter call her Dad and say she wanted to see him.
This I think happened when Lori found out about him being on disability and getting benefits for Ty. Social Security contacts the child's school to confirm attendance and the child is paid monthly, Joe apparently had stored her money up on a debit which Lori had after Joes death.
IMO Lori and Ty probably killed Joe.
Sorry to say that but she was a little girl of a psychopath...she didn't know how to tell her no and live through it.
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Only an external exam was performed, which makes me unable to confidently accept that ruling.
@@Cruella-mm6qoall his pictures does not show him as overweight. But heart disease isn’t not only for overweight people. There is no way Lori didn’t had her hands on Joe’s death. By that time it was money and power over Tylee’s life. Then by the time of Charles death, it was sex, money and power., since Chad was in the picture already.
@@laurenmay2098 his autopsy listed his heart conditions, his medications and listed him as heavyset. Not sure what pictures have to do with the medical facts.
If Chad wanted death penalty off the table he should have testified against Lori.
He still can testify in the Arizona cases
@Dnlsx777 why would he? He isn't charged in AZ, and Utah isn't going to give him anything for that. Prior is a hothead but he isn't stupid.
He still can ... through a plea deal
@@rhiannon7163Tre trial is in IDAHO not UTAH! Thank Heavens! Chad is a dunce, yes Pryor is DEFINITELY a hothead, and Pain in the Rear! He needs to learn to have more respect for the Court, and Judge Boyce.
Calling him “Judge” conginuously in the preliminary trial. He will need to use more respect with the judge, otherwise it will go badly for Chad, his strange beliefs, and the jury will have little patience for any of it!
@@Luluisraging.86 Sorry, I know that I just had a brain fart
You are both amazing & love your channel Lauren & Dr Babe. I live in Australia, so sometimes I miss a Live but always watch later as it makes my day.
Great show tonight! Love the lighting, background, and new cyber-presence of show! Congrats on growing, being creative, thriving.
Thank you Lauren & Dr John💖❤💖❤️💖 I have wondered for some time now, if Alex's death was masked somehow. Gosh what an awful situation.
Too crazy for words!😢😢
Love from me, Steph - at New South Wales, Australia. 🌺💝🌺💝
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They would have gotten away with it if they had left JJ alone and sent him back to Kay. Nobody would have raised alarms about Tylee. Charles was deemed self defense and Tammy's death wasn't initially questioned. These horrific crimes came to light because Kay knew something horrible was going on.
That’s scary to think about Deborah! Good thing Lori is also an idiot. But it’s heartbreaking to think about ALL the people close to Lori who KNEW horrible things were going on and who did nothing to help the kids or Tammy.
So very true.@@ColleenMcCoin
Her brother would have
Tylee-Tylee Ryan
@@llamamama2910 would he have been able too? Tylee was almost an adult and Lori would have told him some story. He was pretty loyal to his mother before it all came out and the bodies found. I doubt he would have believed his mother capable of such awful acts until there was no choice but to believe it.
*** The Motives were the same-Money.. Her, made up, excuses were different, but her motives were the same. Her motives were always to get the money.
So what if she was the instigator?! does that make Daybell innocent? Thats a strange argument, Daybell has his own will and choice and he chose to participate in murdering innocent people. To be convinced in a crime the illegal action committed by a person must fulfill the four elements of crime which are criminal intent, criminal act, concurrence and caution , and Daybell fulfilled all of them. Daybell is an adult who know right from wrong in-fact he sees of himself as
Regarding Lori’s texts about the children suffering….. remember the texts about melani’s children???? Similar statements about them regarding causing them pain.
You guys got me trying to think of what my favorite Stephen King book is now. I’d think I’d have to say The Green Mile would be my #1 (which, I read it when it first came out and back then it was put out in 6 installments. 1 a month. It was maddening having to wait a whole month for the next chapter.) And then I think 11/22/63 would come in at a very close #2. That book is huge but it was so good that I breezed through it in two days because I literally could not put it down.
Dang, I need to start reading Stephen King again. I had forgotten how much I love his books.
QUESTION: on the testimony we heard last, Audrey said that when telling Lori she would leave and she didn’t want to do it and Lori said “you were supposed to help me”….. help you do what Lori? She didn’t quite say…
Good catch.
I have taught 3rd grade for more than 30 years. Never has one of my students written a story like that and I have taught children with conduct disorder on more than one occasion. I would have flagged that child for psychological assessment.
I am Thankful for good teachers' professionalism. Your view of life is probably based on a wealth of knowledge and experience.
Thank you for this compelling discussion! I’m looking forward to further analysis of the next ones!
Sorry missed your live tonight, going to watch the video. Till next time🙋🏻♀️
Lauren, looking good.
replay-so excited to watch-you guys look great!
Thank you so much beautiful couple. I am 3 years behind this case and 9 months for the verdict .
The ideology didn't all come from Chad. Lori believed many of these things before Chad.
Yes, through that Visions of Glory book which Lauren found was a common denominator in a few problematic offshoots from LDS.
They are conspirators for sure
Since 2014 for sure, but way before that. She met Chad in 2018.
Like what??
@@Teresa-tn4we Multiple probations and demons possessing people, ideas from Julie Rowe and Visions of Glory. I think Chad made up the light and dark scale.
yes if tylee was getting a monthly check from her dad's social security, lori would be the payee, with Joe gone. and until tylee was either grown up or reported dead, it would just keep being deposited each month.
this was awesome, loved the informed conversation.
Very interesting analysis tonight. I hope the prosecution is listening so that they can use this to at least put Chad away for life. If anybody deserves the death penalty, it would be those 2. I think both of them could be called serial killers.
Not sure if Arizona has death penalty, but Lori is a good candidate.
I was thinking about if serial applies. SKs enhance I think. Not sure if enjoyment doesn't become an MO.
Good point.
@@laurenmay2098 Do you know what state Joe was living in?
Ι totally agree with Dr John's opinion that it's the beliefs that caused the murders. One more thing Prior chooses to ignore is that even if Lori had murdered before, her homicidal mania turned against her own children only after she met Chad.
Yet there's also indications that Lori quite likely had Munchausen's by proxy and had been poisoning/medically abusing Tylee. She hadn't murdered her kids yet, but she had displayed aggression towards Tylee - the seeds were there.
Lori murdered the kids after losing Charles life insurance to Kay. Killing jj was twofold... hurt Kay and cast out the filthy demon possessing jj to save his soul... 😮
I’m not on the live watching this, but I hope you can address my question at some point. What was it /is it about these “friends” that allowed Lori to trust that they would neither be shocked by such a disclosure or contact the police after she made those statements?
Being drunk on power and the fear it causes.
We answered this during the live. 😊. The short answer: Chad Daybell
It would shock me if I thought someone was serious. After hearing about this case, I would report the person to the police.
Religion was the common denominator.
Lori wasn't in town when Tammy was unalived. Lori may have driving force but Chad was the one that jumped in the driver's seat.
Only after the Lori directed botched murder attempt #1, failed.
I agree.I just wish that Alex was still alive.I believe he was in on all of this.
It’s crazy to think that Lori met a guy and then in under a year led an effort to kill her husband, children and his spouse. Although its possible that Chad may have eventually left his wife I don’t believe he would have ever thought to kill her for the insurance money. In fact my guess is he would have stayed with Tammy but slept around. Speaking of which I believe Audrey was being groomed by him. Suppose she let slip to Lori that she was also connected to Chad in a former life ??? What if Chad promised to also marry Audrey? If so Audrey is 💯lucky to be alive and it explains why she was still traipsing around with Lori.
Knowing isn't a crime, it is contributing, or doing something in furtherance that is a crime.
Thanks for keeping it so real guys, from the very beginning you’ve been stressing the importance of following the facts and evidence and building theories that look at both sides and it’s very reassuring!
I CANT WAIT FOR THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL 😊
Regardless of whether this is true, or not, many of these women were told by Chad, they were married to him in past probation. That, in my opinion, puts these women as rivals for his attention, and what better way to gain his favor again than to put the blame on Lori for being the manipulator, thus putting him in more of a victim role rather than a co-conspirator. Both are complicit.
The thing is that if someone tells you that we’re married to you in the their pest life.
It doesn’t mean that you go around killing people
I put the blame surely on Lori
When she met Chad she had already killed Joe Ryan
And also shortly after that she killed Charles. It was patron and then within two months the children were gone.. so some reason she was always killer
Listening to this in present day. Even MORE relevant now!
So, Audrey B. heard Chad say that Tammy was going to die soon.
Sounds freaking SUSPICIOUS to me.
And Audrey didn't go to the police then...she should be charged
Another great episode from Lauren and John. Can’t always catch lives as I’m in UK. Any chance of some earlier ones. I know it’s a bind, time zones mean you can’t please everyone.
The defense for Chad is using an irrational defense that uses black and white reasoning skills. Just because Lori has been prosecuted and bad things were brought out about her character doesn't mean that those same bad qualities aren't also true of Chad. His defense is trying to create a good guy vs bad guy defense and it's just not rational, especially when both actors were acting in collusion with each other and with the same goals. There is no versus in the case between Chad and Lori, only collusion. They weren't acting against each other at any point, but were rather working with each other at every point.
They’re also completely ignoring the reason Lori isn’t sitting on death row now - the prosecution screwed up the discovery and that was their sanction from the judge. No one has screwed up Chad’s discovery as of yet, there’s no reason the state should face the same sanction.
Absolutely agree with you
I appreciate the analysis so much😮
I do not understand how anybody can say that Lori is the only common thread, that would imply she's the only one and the one that is connected to Tammy, which obviously isn't true.
They are both equally the common thread because of Lori's children and Chad's wife.
The prosecution saying Lori was the Common Thread was compared to the rest of the population like a Stanger for example.
The prosecution can say and probably will say the same thing about Chad because it's only his trial.
Chad and Lori were the common thread. They are going to talk about Lori at Lori's trial and Chads trail. He wanted a separate trial so he got it he can't be bringing Lori into it and trying to prosecute her when he is the one being prosecuted.
Chad and Lori are equally the common thread.
You would think Chad's lawyer would understand that they were not Prosecuting Chad and Lori's trial and they won't be prosecuting Lori at Chad's trial. He wanted them separate. I don't understand how he thinks anything in her trial will be or can be considered as any kind of evidence in his, it won't because it's his trial now nobody ever gets to bring in somebody else's trial as evidence.
Not to mention it doesn't matter who tell somebody or even pay somebody to murder somebody they are just as culpable, even if they only dug the grave they can spend life in prison
Nice to watch you guys once again.
It’s a pleasure to listen to you.
Bless you guys!
From my understanding, a death penalty trial is much more difficult to try and easier to end up with mistrial. IMO they should drop it in order to dispatch his trial and put him away for life. Prison will be hell for him. He’s not cut out to handle it well.
My daughter and I both enjoy your videos.
Awesome! Thank you!
If someone in my friend group asked me to participate in expelling a demonic entity from another human being - I would be astounded and amazed at the audacity. I would never participate EVER! I don’t play that way and wouldn’t choose “friends” demented and delusional like this. Mormon or not. I’m clear about EVIL and I’m not participating. Life is good, when you’re autonomous. People are so strange and when in groups, violence is too easy! This is so far from
GOOD I can’t believe it started w NDAs and ego and stupid mortal ideas.
Yeah however it's different with churches ...they and I...Belive in God and Jesus, and I'm steadfast that God is Love and no way ever would he accept murdering esp the children and esp the way they did...totalled against God...❤🎉
I think Audrey B. needs to come on your program
💯
Yes !!!
She doesn’t deserve to be in the show.
Talking about Steven king books ,the difference in his writing is a lot of his characters show deep empathy , you only need to read the green mile to see huge amounts of empathy ,even towards a mouse .
To me Lori is deeply mentally ill , but she still knows what she did was wrong and illegal , hence how they hid the crime , I think chad is the instigator of the murders in as much as the light and dark scale , he was choosing the victims , I think Lori's motives were always money , Chads were that he wanted to be seen as someone important,like in his books , he wanted to be this righteous religious hero leading Ng people in to the future and he wanted to be attractive , so he saw Lori as validating how he was attractive to someone he considered beautiful and he had some power , both are responsible , Lori knew she could manipulate and Chad was secretly feeding her and others his beliefs to control what they did , I think the fact he wanted children to suffer and how he was laughing in his text about killing a racoon ( knowing it was the children shows how evil he is , both need to spend the rest of their lives in prison . I would also look into to Chad's past , there could be other things , his old job was a perfect place to hide crimes .
Spot on Dr. John, thank you!! 👏
Has anyone been able to get interviews with Lori's first two husband's? They must have some insight into the life of Lori, and the Cox family. Her upbringing clearly had an impact on Lori's psychology.
These people act like there in high school it is so very weird. Why do Mormons have such a hard time in thinking for them self. WTF
100% agree with you
They are programmed not to by their prophets and theology!
Because they follow a man named Joseph Smith, their self proclaimed prophet and his teachings and not the true workings of Christ.
Tv@@InTheGarden1960all you would need to do is enter one of our church buildings and see for yourself the art work on the walls are of Jesus Christ for he is the one that we strive to follow.
In Lori's sentencing statement she says "no one, in this case, was murdered." 🤦♀️
This is Mrs. Garry, commenting. I always appreciate you both and what you bring forward on these complicated topics. This very complex Daybell case needs you both to dissect and clarify it. Thank you. ( I might add, however, Lauren, you look especially nice with the lighter hair.) Cheryl Fisher
Hope Chad gets his due
Dead man walking.
For a man who welcomes death he's fighting the DP pretty hard. I wonder why?! 🤔 Maybe he realizes that all of his "teachings" are 🐂 💩.
Scary stuff!😢😢
New South Wales, Australia
OH shit!!!!! I freaking knew it. She is so evil
Well I'm late on this video, but thank u to u and hubby Dr. John,! Love your videos!
That’s sickening beyond words the fact that Chad said he wants to increase the pain that the children suffer. It shows he is a sadistic, evil and vile thing!!
Lori is just as bad to even agree.
As a mother to think that your children would suffer one ounce of pain would be enough to have any parent in A perpetual grief state. It’s just unfathomable to me.
Oh my god to actually think of what those children went through, it’s hard to do because it’s hard enough knowing that they were un alived but to think that they were not killed quickly and suffered destroys me.
Really interesting as always to hear your take and get professional opinions
yep. hope the prosecution are listening.
Thank you Lauren & Dr.John- another insightful video
Would love to know how Chad's family feels in light of these developments.
I’ve always thought she “got rid” of Joe Ryan as well.
I think they're saying they are inflicting pain on their demons so they will leave.
Those beautiful children were buried in Chad's back yard. He can't undo that fact.
Nope. Guess he thought he would have time to hide their bodies better after their honeymoon. Thank God he didn't..
Aren’t co-conspirators equally culpable in the eyes of the law?
Your husband, Dr. John aka Dr. Babe was the first I heard talk about shame in reference to Alex Murdaugh, now I hear it all the time in reference to these type of evil murders.
Of course he was murdered. I never had any doubt.
On catch up thank you both x
I wonder if Chad was ever into Dungeons and Dragons
Please don't insult dungeons and dragons, we're peaceful folk. 😉
All these fringe neo-fundamentalism LDS offshoots seem to enjoy cosplay.
Probably not because he is Mormon.
@@amysmiles9751 well, we know he's definitely into a number of things that most Mormons are definitely not lol
Awwww little bear !!! Saw ur comment, loved you had been brave and come forward ...thank you
Lori did say she wanted pain inflicted on at least her niece and nephew I believe
Thank you for this podcast! It explains a lot!!