A Thousand Other Plans Tried and Failed - Flood Lore
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- Опубликовано: 30 окт 2018
- The Halo's were the final option, but far from the only attempt made by the Forerunners to stop the Flood. Today we discuss some of the known plans enacted by the Forerunners.
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Did they try bug spray?
This comment right here. Had me dying at the library. Not the place to be laughing that loud lol
The flood is like fungi, and even that isn't accurate
@Solaxe S r/wooooooooooooosh
@@saintjames1995 so just death star their asses
SlayGames. X they blow up stars to stop the flood
The containment facility on Installation 04 practically had a sign in big letters on it that said “Please don’t feed the philosophically-gray omniscient corruption of the Precursor’s own Domain” and the Covenant were still like “yeah we should open that” wtf
I think it was on accident and most Covenant never read up on the flood because it extremely rare to see them.
@@elijahwatson3474
Halo 5's multiplayer is the best.
The Covenant already knew of the Flood's existence. but they had no idea what the Halo rings were truly for, nor what they were made for, or even had "study rooms" at all.
To be fair they did close the door behind them.
Yeah, people forget that Captain Keyes' team actually released the Flood thinking they found an Covenany Armory.
They were already done for when the Covenant opened it first. Keyes and his squad were finding bodies of infected before they even got to the locked door.
*At least we tried.*
Simte your best is not good enough! -Gordon Ramsay
And failed
not really the forerunners really half assed it
they kept wasting decades on research
they lost because they viewed the flood as a disease to be cured rather then a enemy to be conquered
plus they kept refusing to go far enough in the war to win due to space hippy librarian always stopping efforts to just blow up there enemy
by the time she was told to shut up were nukeing systems it was to late
R/therewasanattempt
@@scottgrasser9737 space hippie librarian is the only reason life was allowed to remain
I wish we knew more about ancient humans, their technology and culture. And their relationship to the forerunners before the war
This deserves more upvotes. Ancient Humanity for me is one of the most-interesting pieces of background lore in the Halo Universe, and their history is so amazing and intriguing, and is just begging to be expanded on.
The Humans, with inferior tech and already crippled and battered by the Flood and continuing to be so, and significantly-demoralized by the Eldritch answers the Primordial gave about the Flood's origins, and will their fleets slowed to a crawl and paralyzed by Forerunner Slipspace damage, it is said in the novels that Ancient Humanity and the San Shyuum were made weapons which Forerunner forces had no defense against, and had superior knowledge of Precursor technology to boot. Yet even with superior tech and vastly-superior numbers and resources against a crippled foe, it still took the Forerunners over a MILLENNIUM to reach Charum Hakkor and 53 years of sieging just it to force a surrender, and that's only because the government of the San Shyuum betrayed the Ancient Humans and any of their troops still serving alongside them, to the Forerunners for more-refined reparations and Post-War punishment.
Ancient Humanity and the San Shyuum were absolute badasses, it's even said (by the Librarian, I think) in one of the books that the war with Ancient Humanity weakened the Forerunners and caused the Builders to gain enough political power that they could not contain and destroy the Flood when their time came.
Not to mention how Ancient Humanity made a counter to the Flood, not a cure, but it still denied them biomass from their fallen or infected troops. That's pretty impressive. Even if they were being tricked by the Flood in termsof the galactic retreat.
As for their relationship with the Forerunners before the war, they have always been rivals, since the Precursors DID pass the Mantle from the Forerunners to the Humans in about 10 million BCE, but the Ur-Didact and Librarian first met each other on Charum Hakkor, the Capital of the Human Empire, so...
It's been hinted they and the Forerunners were once a single species, albeit over 10 million years before the Halo firings.
@@fadelsukoco3092
Sorry for the delayed response.
I would love to see a Human-Forerunner game.
Also I would be ecstatic to see some ancient Human structures, tech or message, from the great war, in Halo infinite. Or a Ancient Human threat our Forefathers created to counter Forerunners of the future. But now threaten our existence.
I think its a stupid retcon from the first games which implied that humans are forerunner descendants.
What still fascinates me is that One containment outbreak on Installation 05 caused The Entire Covenant Armada and High Charity to fall within a matter of hours to days. I can't imagine the intensity of the Flood while the forerunners were fighting eons before that.
The fact that they had over a 1,000 plans that they tried and failed really goes to show just how hard (and near impossible) it was to beat the Flood. It's such a shame that the only way to defeat them (at least for a time), was to wipe out all life in the Galaxy with the Halo Array (making the Forerunners themselves nearly extinct in the process). :(
Couldnt they have set the rings off with AI while they were far far away?
@@LeonRedfields that runs the risk of the AI being corrupted like Mandicent Bias.
Robert Lipshultz they had the flood on their feet, the greater arc was destroyed inmediatly after firing a greater halo and they had to send the remaining troops to buy just enough time to fire the lesser arc
I wonder if the 'Ark theory' suggested by Chris Schlerf and others will still fit in - about the Ark possibly being a weapon as well?
@Cian McCabe The reason Offensive Bias succeded is pretty much because he did not care what means he uses to defeat his enemy. He employed tactics that to many would be equivalent to suicide including throwing ships at him. The point was that single focus plans could defeat this galaxy wide threat.
The only thing that I see the Flood respecting or at least at how to combat them is with better organic technology. I believe the Primordial gave the humans a clue about how to defeat the Flood just not an answer. He kind of told them: ok, this is how you stop their most powerful ability, but you will still have loses, you will still have to sacrifice to survive.
Humans were on track to at least some kind of solution. If they had worked with the forunners, they could have beaten them.
I think the gravemind sums it up best in halo 3 with the sentence "did you really think it was going to beat me?"
is that was he says i could never quite hear him over the other sounds at the time
"Did you think me DEFEATED!"
I love how overpowering the Flood can be and is.
@Cian McCabe Pretty much, the Flood are absolutely relentless. Almost like the Reapers from Mass Effect in the same sense that they are a race that doesn't have the same physical demands other sentient races have (e.g. they don't "sleep", they just consume anything and everything that lives and breathes with a few exceptions and do not stop). That and the fact that like a virus they spread so quickly made them just a horrifying force to anyone that encountered them.
The fundamental concept behind the creation of the Halo rings was actually mentioned in Tron Legacy aka Tron 2.
Here it is:
“Sometimes, the only way to win, is not to play” - Flynn Senior - Creator of Tron
And Quora, ISO and friend of the Creator Flynn senior said, “Remove oneself from the equation”. These two quotes are the same fundamental inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings by the creator of the Halos.
That concept is also mentioned in the Bible too: “There is no greater act of Love than this, that a person give up his life for the ones he loves, that they might be saved”
The ones that the forerunners loves and wished to save were the rest of life within the Milky Way Galaxy. And a few of them realized that the only way to win was not to play, to remove themselves and all sentient life from the galaxy so that the galaxy could be saved from the Antithesis-of-life/The-Flood hence why the Forerunners reluctantly and sadly enacted the greatest act of love, to sacrifice life so that life can be preserved and restarted post flood someday.
It’s really sad but this is inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings.
The UNSC’s stance within this philosophical dilemma is that the UNSC disagrees with this inception and believes that there must be a less severe way of winning against the flood.
That’s it. That’s the stance we take and we stand by it with our lives. There must be a less severe way to protect everyone. That’s it.
The Covenant and their post war factions are just delusional. Lol
The Banished only care about themselves.
The Arbiter Understands this philosophical inception of the Halos like the UNSC does and agrees with the UNSC’s stance.
And you wanna know the best part?
Key info 1 - Flood originated from outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Meaning that until that issue is dealt with, Halo will still have a reason to exist. Possibly the Flood came from our galactic neighbor The Andromeda Galaxy which I’m assuming is also now teaming with flood too if their concentration was great enough to disperse far enough to make it to the Milky Way Galaxy and land on a ancient Human Empire occupied world. WHICH MEANS, that the Flood from outside the Milky Way Galaxy could disperse again and thus return again to its neighbor our Milky Way Galaxy. Thus restarting the entire philosophical dilemma again!!! Unless we deal with that too AKA flood returning to the games someday plus perhaps a Full Fledged Flood focused halo Videogame mega series that involves a mega campaign that could take another 9 games, which the ENTIRE MILKY WAY GALAXY is being explored while searching every part of our galaxy for Milky-Way-native flood to exterminate as we learn more about the history of the ancient Human Empire Forerunner Flood war. Perhaps culminating into a grand finale where the Milky Way is clean of flood and the UNSC and the Arbiter’s friendly forces and colonies begin our military expansion to Andromeda Galaxy on ANOTHER MEGA campaign with the purpose of ensuring Flood never return to the Milky Way Galaxy EVER AGAIN.
That would be a true linear conclusion to the Halo franchise maybe 30+ games from the present Halo 5 Guardians into the future thus ensuring Halo has a long and healthy career.
To flesh out Halo more, during the internal Milky Way campaign full fledged video game series part of the linear story, all homeworlds of all alien species should be explored just like every Forerunner shield world and normal world and Installation yet discovered so learn and explore and at the same time make sure Flood are gone for good while dealing with Cortana’s forces as she runs rampant across our Milky Way Galaxy.
For the later part of the Linear Halo Story when our forces go to Andromeda to find answers to truly stop Flood from ever returning, that full fledged Videogame mega series should have the overall Master Title of:
Halo: Andromeda (game #)
(Planet name & #)
Something like that.
And Sidenote: Some Forerunner civilian ships did manage to escape The Milky Way prior to the Firing of the Rings. Look it up and read the books. This fact means that forerunners still exist somewhere outside the Milky Way. Perhaps we encounter them upon securing the Milky Way and going to our Galactic neighbor Andromeda.
@@xDinomanx dont you mean they are? They were???? Flood is alive
Catalyst - D B The flood are the precursors, so they technically originated within Our galaxy but that doesn’t rule out the possibility of them living on elsewhere.
One word *TYRANIDS*
Can you imagine a thousand Onyx’s hopping around the galaxy, destroying everything in sight?
Wow, Death Star be damned. Forget one or two small moons, just thousands of straight up *planets* blowing shit up.
USA! USA! USA! *looks over shoulder to see two nuclear explosions
DirgeOfCerberus111 some shield worlds are bigger than some star systems lol - imagine that
Bastion may BE a mobile Onyx, yeah. I still think Onyx itself was built in secret by the Master Builder, as it had unusually advanced sentinels inside, few people reached it, and it was also supposed to be a capital and refuge for survivors.
@@DirgeOfCerberus111 Real life is so much better than Sci-fi...
If you think a planetary battlestation is big, you've obviously never heard of a Nicoll-Dyson Beam. The power to make stars go supernova by harnessing the power of an actual, full-size star into a beam of pure energy.
Never seen it in any sci-fi, not even the Culture, and yet it is easily one of the most powerful weapons (besides reality-warping stuff) that humanity has ever conceived.
the more you learn about the flood, the more fitting their name becomes, a near unstoppable force that seeps its way into everything and with the smallest compromise it will break into your defenses
"This is my final entry."
Ricardo starts dancing to "You got that" on a 10 hour loop.
Wow I never realized that's why the covenant limited the intelligence of their AI DUE to Mendicant Bias. Interesting little fact 🤔 thanks as always for the spectacular content halo cannon!
Mendicant bias was actually on the key ship that the prophet of truth escaped on in halo 2 if I’m not mistaken, mendicant rarely communicated with the covenant but they kept it around
@@jamescriscuolo830 Didn't they view Mendicant Bias as sacred?
@@wiibrockster sort of, they viewed it as the most sacred oracle, they viewed the monitors of the installations, firerunner Ali’s as the oracles with mendicant at the top of that ladder, whenever a new prophet was to be coronated they went to mendicant who was just observing not interacting for the most part for his permission so to speak for the new prophets to take the throne. Right after first contact at harvest though and the prophets of truth and mercy were becoming coronated they brought back texts that they misread as reclamation with every human on harvest being mislabeled as forerunner artifacts but they were actually showing up as the symbol for reclaimer, the forerunner label for humanity and the inheritors of the mantle of responsibility, mendicant woke up upon that for the first time in about 100,000 years to tell them that they were wrong and the prophets misheard mendicant thinking he said humanity was the forerunners. Mendicant then tried to launch the key ship from high charity to head to the arc but the prophets managed to disconnect his mainframe from the ship before it could be launched. Fun fact that mishearing of the prophets thinking humanity were forerunners is what caused the human covenant war as if that news became widespread it would destroy their religion and their newly acquired thrones
I think many people don't realise how horrific the Flood really is. This may be due to the way the Halo games are presented, with their lively coloured palettes, it can be difficult to see them for how scary they really are. They easily surpass the likes of Xenomorphs, Necromprhs and other eldrich horrors in other universes.
I am in complete agreement with you. When looking at the games alone, I think necromorphs are scarier but if I take into consideration the larger lore and context of both entities the Flood are infinitely more terrifying. I'm not sure how the Halo games themselves could emphasize that though. The short story Mona Lisa does an excellent job of displaying the sheer horror the Flood represent. Similarly, the book The Flood, a novel adaptation of the plot of Halo: Combat Evolved, also delves into what the Flood do to their victims.
Any ideas on how the horror the Flood are could be more readily conveyed in the future?
@@clydemarshall8095 Many people have suggested spin off Halo games in a class of horror shooters such as the Metro series. Games where you could play the role of a fresh or veteran UNSC marine engaging with the Flood for the first time. Surely, SURELY it wouldn't be too hard to do.
@@Garthorium I don't know. At this point, I don't exactly trust 343i in the execution of anything.
Clyde Marshall I know *exactly* what you mean lol. Couldn't trust them to run a fucken bath.
Eh, we KNOW that Frank O'Conner can write things well, just from his short stories and from the Halo 3 Terminals (which I THINK were by him) But in terms of long term planning, overreacting to fans or bending to Microsoft, that offers less confidence.
I like how the forruners try a new plan, and when it immediately doesnt work they just lock it up in and don't talk about it anymore
Obviously, none of the 1000 plans were trying to break into other universes and call in Doom guy, anyone from Warhammer 40K. Or alternatively, develop time travel, come to the present day and call in HiddenXperia with his endless knowledge of the Flood.
*Edit: this was originally meant to be a joke so please stop comments why this wouldn't work.*
*Second Edit: That's better, thank you.*
HiddenXperia is actually a Flood Gravemind
@@worldwanderer91 If so, why does he keep on giving us info on how to stop him and the flood
to trick us into using the wrong method to make it easier for them to take over
@Cian McCabe well both are still OP so they'd be the Forerunner's best bet
the forerunners are at least in the middle point of 40k power scale so mot of that universe would be consumed.
doomguy get's stuppid fanwank levels of hype, is he deadly? yes, could he MAYBE contain an outbreak from the tart maybe yes, but at the time of the forrunner war against the flood the parasite has thousands of space systems it's literrally impossible to kill at that point, unless you wipe all life in the galaxy
“Did you unplug and plug it back in?”
- asked the ancient humans the forerunners
So there still theoretically could be forerunners living on shield worlds right now? Like maybe the ones that collapsed themselves into slipspace?
Yep, it's entirely possible living and breathing Forerunners could be anywhere in the Halo universe right as we speak.
liam They are all Dead.
Cough - Bastion.
Cough - IRIS campaign (viral marketing)
Cough - 343 Guilty Spark's search for the Lifeshaper...
well if they were outside of the milky way around 160k light years like the lesser ark and path kethona or in another galaxy
Makes sense. Bastion could also be mobile, as well.
“Because of Mendicant Bias corruption the covenant did not put effort into their A.I’s research.”
That’s a lore I didn’t knew about.
It was why the Covenant hated humanity's ai program. They thought it was heresy due to being capable of corruption by the logic plague (cortana)
It's a neat little detail. It explains why we never see The Covenant which is a supposedly more advanced society than Humanity never used Smart AI.
forerunner plan #674
step 1: SECURE THE KEYS
step 2: ASCEND FROM DARKNESS
step 3: RAIN FIRE
step 4: UNLEASH THE HORDE
step 5: SKEWER THE WINGED BEAST
step 6: WIELD A FIST OF IRON
step 7: RAISE HELL
step 8: FREEDOM
Why is this familar but I can’t put my finger on it
Call of duty black ops duh 🙄
Janimates you say that as if every person just knows CoD trivia 😂
See also: "The Last Castle."
This shouldn't be so fitting. What, was that particular Forerunner's name 'Victor Reznov'?
I was absolutely glued to this.
Forerunner:“let’s take our worlds and push it somewhere else!”
Ancient Humans: **Exists**
The Didanact: I’m about to ruin this mans whole career.
The Flood: hold my beer
commanderyammarkkasrkin MV The Master Chief: SIKE that’s the wrong number!
The Flood: *Has Leave The Chat For while*
The infinite devil machine, and the cure that was worse than the cancer.
Nugnug Caveman The fundamental concept behind the creation of the Halo rings was actually mentioned in Tron Legacy aka Tron 2.
Here it is:
“Sometimes, the only way to win, is not to play” - Flynn Senior - Creator of Tron
And Quora, ISO and friend of the Creator Flynn senior said, “Remove oneself from the equation”. These two quotes are the same fundamental inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings by the creator of the Halos.
That concept is also mentioned in the Bible too: “There is no greater act of Love than this, that a person give up his life for the ones he loves, that they might be saved”
The ones that the forerunners loves and wished to save were the rest of life within the Milky Way Galaxy. And a few of them realized that the only way to win was not to play, to remove themselves and all sentient life from the galaxy so that the galaxy could be saved from the Antithesis-of-life/The-Flood hence why the Forerunners reluctantly and sadly enacted the greatest act of love, to sacrifice life so that life can be preserved and restarted post flood someday.
It’s really sad but this is inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings.
The UNSC’s stance within this philosophical dilemma is that the UNSC disagrees with this inception and believes that there must be a less severe way of winning against the flood.
That’s it. That’s the stance we take and we stand by it with our lives. There must be a less severe way to protect everyone. That’s it.
The Covenant and their post war factions are just delusional. Lol
The Banished only care about themselves.
The Arbiter Understands this philosophical inception of the Halos like the UNSC does and agrees with the UNSC’s stance.
And you wanna know the best part?
Key info 1 - Flood originated from outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Meaning that until that issue is dealt with, Halo will still have a reason to exist. Possibly the Flood came from our galactic neighbor The Andromeda Galaxy which I’m assuming is also now teaming with flood too if their concentration was great enough to disperse far enough to make it to the Milky Way Galaxy and land on a ancient Human Empire occupied world. WHICH MEANS, that the Flood from outside the Milky Way Galaxy could disperse again and thus return again to its neighbor our Milky Way Galaxy. Thus restarting the entire philosophical dilemma again!!! Unless we deal with that too AKA flood returning to the games someday plus perhaps a Full Fledged Flood focused halo Videogame mega series that involves a mega campaign that could take another 9 games, which the ENTIRE MILKY WAY GALAXY is being explored while searching every part of our galaxy for Milky-Way-native flood to exterminate as we learn more about the history of the ancient Human Empire Forerunner Flood war. Perhaps culminating into a grand finale where the Milky Way is clean of flood and the UNSC and the Arbiter’s friendly forces and colonies begin our military expansion to Andromeda Galaxy on ANOTHER MEGA campaign with the purpose of ensuring Flood never return to the Milky Way Galaxy EVER AGAIN.
That would be a true linear conclusion to the Halo franchise maybe 30+ games from the present Halo 5 Guardians into the future thus ensuring Halo has a long and healthy career.
To flesh out Halo more, during the internal Milky Way campaign full fledged video game series part of the linear story, all homeworlds of all alien species should be explored just like every Forerunner shield world and normal world and Installation yet discovered so learn and explore and at the same time make sure Flood are gone for good while dealing with Cortana’s forces as she runs rampant across our Milky Way Galaxy.
For the later part of the Linear Halo Story when our forces go to Andromeda to find answers to truly stop Flood from ever returning, that full fledged Videogame mega series should have the overall Master Title of:
Halo: Andromeda (game #)
(Planet name & #)
Something like that.
And Sidenote: Some Forerunner civilian ships did manage to escape The Milky Way prior to the Firing of the Rings. Look it up and read the books. This fact means that forerunners still exist somewhere outside the Milky Way. Perhaps we encounter them upon securing the Milky Way and going to our Galactic neighbor Andromeda.
@@DylanBegazo you really move my head with that, It's like senior Flynn was precursors, Forruner was Clu, ancient humans were Tron,
Spartan 304 Spartan 6 yup. Congrats. You got it ☺️
@@DylanBegazo thx man😀😀😀
Spartan 304 Spartan 6 😁 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Man that intro is some good writing.
Also how the Oracle looks down as he says “died, as planned”. Showing regret and remorse, juxtaposed by the efficient tone, a personality trait the Forerunners would have imparted, intentionally or not. Little details like this are what make me obsessed with this series 😁
Dude, what if there is a shield world that was used by the Forerunners as a research station, but is now infested with flood due to an experiment gone bad? The Flood could've infected the forerunners and learned how to move the artificial planet? Shield worlds protect those from the Halo firings right? I think it would be pretty cool, but fukin creapy.
This is essentially a plot point in Halo Wars.
@@dylanmorris7946 LoL I just realized that haha
They should have tried taking the Galaxy
And push it somewhere else!!!
Patrick Star confirmed a forerunner.
Just say no the flood can harm you if you say no
The Didact could have succeeded at a lower cost.
The flood was already spreading faster than he could purge it at that point and he was straight up destroying habitable planets and entire start systems in the process. Not to mention that Didact was a piece of shit.
@Bruno Pereira Ethical values are kinda moot when wiping out the entire galaxy is a thing that's being discussed. That was simply a statement about his character. He was a piece of shit.
Meanwhile pale king in hollowknight: no cost too great
All the plans failed mostly because of political reasons ''! Wow
Welcome to the real world
If only the Didact took power earlier...
He was actually accused of disloyalty and possible plans for a coup, by the Master Builder. I am sure he had garnered many allies to his side to shore up his case (something I explored anyway in fanfic)
@@chrissonofpear3657 Well if he can dominate the Senate like Julia Ceasar, he could have concentrated the might of the entire Forerunner empire on flood before it can reach its critical mass, after which it cannot be stopped by conventional means.
I think i see the reference hear :) Didactic=trump , Hilary Clinton =librarian . Ancient humanity illegal imigrants comig into the solar system .
Wonderful synopsis of Forerunner Strategies against the Flood. All the points have been there in the lore for a while but you did a great job of connecting them into an overarching thesis surrounding Flood Containment and Elimination. Great video!
did they make their own death star?
Actually yes. OR-3-212 e or known to the UNSC as X50 was pretty much that and orbited Draetheus V
They needed more than that, as mentioned, it got to the point where they blew up stars
@@Jedi_Spartan_38 and routinely as a standard containment procedure when the Flood either overran a system or to present scorched Earth to deter the Flood from entering or to ambush it.
The Forerunners had planetcracker frigates. Think about that, and how much ships the Forerunners had, which logically would be billions to trillions.
Taken from a post i will link, The forerunners are SEVERELY underestimated.
They "can build Death Star sized objects in 5 minute" Forerunners
It's actually more hilarious then that. Here's the full calc: "The Sharpened Shield is roughly 300 million km in diameter with a G2 type star slightly smaller than Sol at the core, with a volume of roughly 7 septillion km3 she boasted a habitable surface area of 255 quadrillion km2 (some 550 million times the surface area of Earth). Assuming the Shield has a paltry 2 km thick shell the overall volume of the structure would equal 282 quadrillion km3 of material (which assuming it had a density of iron would weigh more than the sun itself); even if Didact began construction of the project immediately following the end of the Human-Forerunner war and it continued up until his exile in an 8,000 year time period as a lower limit the Forerunners would have to assemble 1,120,716 cubic kilometers of material per second. To put it into accepted SW-vs-ST parlance, that's the equivalent of manufacturing the second Death Star every five minutes, non-stop, for nearly eight thousand years - or stripping away an Earth sized planet every nine days. And despite this gargantuan effort the Shield wasn't the only of of its kind, many more were built and hidden across the galaxy - and to add insult to injury not only was this a secret project, it was swept under the rug by Faber because he preferred the Halo Array." - Rama
www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/5l0o4b/what_is_the_flood_and_what_is_it_capable_of_rant/
I wish we got a scene of Mendicant Bias speaking to the Primordial in earlier games or other media, perhaps we'll get a scene like that in Halo: Infinite?
If not, or at least a MENTION - I'll be pissed. But I've already been writing a fanfiction all about that, with just a few chapters left (after three years work)
www.fanfiction.net/u/7240238/CaptChris42
If the first thousand plans don't work, the next thousand will!
That makes sense.... Doesn't it?
Only if you can afford another 1000 plans. The Forerunners couldn't, and neither could many fictional civilizations.
By the time the Forerunners had some solutions, they were already on the run and losing the war pretty badly. They just didn't have anymore time to enact better solutions such as the creation of more shield worlds etc.
But they didnt have Dr.halsey,spartans,117,and cortana
@@estergelizon2087 Yes but remember as well, the Forerunners were as far as what is established canon in the books (and games to an extent as well), the most powerful and most advanced civilisation in the galaxy. They had the technology, weapons and most innovative and creative minds in the galaxy. Things that were superior to humanity after they were "reset" following the Halo Array. Even if they had characters like them, it's hard to say how well they would've done.
Any more ideas on what the other plans may have been? I'm getting close to the end of my Forerunner fanfiction story (posted on fanfiction.net) Just had the fall of Maethrillian happen.
“His massive mind.”
Bias’ mind could have controlled the fate of the whole galaxy. He had, I guess you could say, a galaxy brain.
I've only started the video, but I love how this opens!
Nice work, Toa!
Man, no offense to HiddenExperia, but HaloCanon's lore vids are presented in a much better way... but that's just me. Keep up the great content man!
Happy HALOween as well!
Hachi Mark completely agree but hidden experia has more personality
They (halo youtubers) all have their unique nuances, then there’s HaloFollower....
@@diegolijeron9279 Come on. Chris failing English is very entertaining. :3
So why are you on this channel
The fundamental concept behind the creation of the Halo rings was actually mentioned in Tron Legacy aka Tron 2.
Here it is:
“Sometimes, the only way to win, is not to play” - Flynn Senior - Creator of Tron
And Quora, ISO and friend of the Creator Flynn senior said, “Remove oneself from the equation”. These two quotes are the same fundamental inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings by the creator of the Halos.
That concept is also mentioned in the Bible too: “There is no greater act of Love than this, that a person give up his life for the ones he loves, that they might be saved”
The ones that the forerunners loves and wished to save were the rest of life within the Milky Way Galaxy. And a few of them realized that the only way to win was not to play, to remove themselves and all sentient life from the galaxy so that the galaxy could be saved from the Antithesis-of-life/The-Flood hence why the Forerunners reluctantly and sadly enacted the greatest act of love, to sacrifice life so that life can be preserved and restarted post flood someday.
It’s really sad but this is inception that gave birth to the Halo Rings.
The UNSC’s stance within this philosophical dilemma is that the UNSC disagrees with this inception and believes that there must be a less severe way of winning against the flood.
That’s it. That’s the stance we take and we stand by it with our lives. There must be a less severe way to protect everyone. That’s it.
The Covenant and their post war factions are just delusional. Lol
The Banished only care about themselves.
The Arbiter Understands this philosophical inception of the Halos like the UNSC does and agrees with the UNSC’s stance.
And you wanna know the best part?
Key info 1 - Flood originated from outside the Milky Way Galaxy. Meaning that until that issue is dealt with, Halo will still have a reason to exist. Possibly the Flood came from our galactic neighbor The Andromeda Galaxy which I’m assuming is also now teaming with flood too if their concentration was great enough to disperse far enough to make it to the Milky Way Galaxy and land on a ancient Human Empire occupied world. WHICH MEANS, that the Flood from outside the Milky Way Galaxy could disperse again and thus return again to its neighbor our Milky Way Galaxy. Thus restarting the entire philosophical dilemma again!!! Unless we deal with that too AKA flood returning to the games someday plus perhaps a Full Fledged Flood focused halo Videogame mega series that involves a mega campaign that could take another 9 games, which the ENTIRE MILKY WAY GALAXY is being explored while searching every part of our galaxy for Milky-Way-native flood to exterminate as we learn more about the history of the ancient Human Empire Forerunner Flood war. Perhaps culminating into a grand finale where the Milky Way is clean of flood and the UNSC and the Arbiter’s friendly forces and colonies begin our military expansion to Andromeda Galaxy on ANOTHER MEGA campaign with the purpose of ensuring Flood never return to the Milky Way Galaxy EVER AGAIN.
That would be a true linear conclusion to the Halo franchise maybe 30+ games from the present Halo 5 Guardians into the future thus ensuring Halo has a long and healthy career.
To flesh out Halo more, during the internal Milky Way campaign full fledged video game series part of the linear story, all homeworlds of all alien species should be explored just like every Forerunner shield world and normal world and Installation yet discovered so learn and explore and at the same time make sure Flood are gone for good while dealing with Cortana’s forces as she runs rampant across our Milky Way Galaxy.
For the later part of the Linear Halo Story when our forces go to Andromeda to find answers to truly stop Flood from ever returning, that full fledged Videogame mega series should have the overall Master Title of:
Halo: Andromeda (game #)
(Planet name & #)
Something like that.
And Sidenote: Some Forerunner civilian ships did manage to escape The Milky Way prior to the Firing of the Rings. Look it up and read the books. This fact means that forerunners still exist somewhere outside the Milky Way. Perhaps we encounter them upon securing the Milky Way and going to our Galactic neighbor Andromeda.
Can we get a vid on combat skin teirs? Super nerdy but it's interesting! Like what IS a tier 12 combat skin capable of?
Remember the guardians, like that, but better. Advanced combat skins create digital replications to fight using the wearers mind, but it was slower than mendicant bias. Long story short, faster APM is superior to strategy. If only they were Korean, maybe they would have a chance.
A city destroyer from a single Tier 12 unit probably.
Star hopping :,P Boy do we know how effective those tactics are ^^"
the flood still give me chills
One of my favorite videos on this channel, you really out done yourself with this one. Congrats.
Your videos are so well structured, well narrated and interesting. Still my favourite Halo lore master. Keep pumping out the videos Halo Canon.
I've always wanted to see more of the Primordial... it's appearance alone is extremely unsettling, then you consider how methodical/cunning/sinister it is.
Despite his hostile/aggressive behavior, the Didact wasn't evil. He was just trying to protect his people, even if his methods were at times too extreme.
The Primordial though? Pure EVIL.
We NEED a halo flood horror game
It would be awesome to maybe play as ancient humans or something like that going deep into halo lore yet keeping it scary with the flood too
Forerunners: *Build a series of massive superweapons to destroy the Flood*
Also Forerunners: *Leave easily accessible means of returning the Flood*
The Primordial and the Gravemind aren't one in the same.
The Primordial transferred it's consciousness to the Gravemind in order for the Primordial's knowledge and will to be understand by the Gravemind to the best of it's ability to take revenge against the Forerunners.
While the Primordial's consciousness is essentially stored within the Gravemind, it was stated that the Gravemind was it's own sentient collective consciousness and that even it had a relatively shakey grasp on the knowledge it gained from the Primordial.
I always thought, why not make swarms of nano machines? like tiny sentinels waves of them that could burn away flood bio mass if they had focused on that before the flood outbreak gained the ability to jump planets that could of ended the threat right there and then.
I’m perplexed with all that skill in genetic engineering, they didn’t make chimeras resistant or immune to flood assimilation.
Nothing biological is immune to the flood, even if immune to direct infection it can still be used as biomass
Gary Gardner true but with success of John and the many species resistant or immune to flood influence it just seems like a logical step.
SPARTANs are simply harder to infect, not impossible.
You make everyone harder to infect, you’re back to square 1
ST-1170 perhaps but you’d give yourself a ton of time and mutations capable of continuing and surpassing your previous objective.
@@novadselir1068 Spartans are protected thanks to the energy shields that can fry infection forms on contact. They aren't immune though, and the UNSC has protocols in place in case of a spartan being infected (basically, nuking the whole planet into oblivion ASAP, mainly because on top of being formidable fighters, they have extensive knowledge that would be disastrous in the hands... er, tentacles of the flood)
Issue is any sufficiently large being with a nervous system is a potential infection victim. And other species can still be turned into biomass for flood use (so things like Hunters that are immune to infection due to their unique biology can still contribute to flood development... and AIs can be infected too through the Logic Plague as soon as they arent "dumb" AIs like Sentinels, incapable of higher thought).
Awesome video, and as always a great collection and presentation of Halo lore. Thanks!
That last minute and a half was very well done. It pulled me in and made me want more.
It truly escapes my understanding why the librarian set up biological reseeding mechanisms to repopulate the galaxy and incredulously kept flood cells in stasis on the rings and possibly other research stations on shield worlds.
I wonder how effective the Line Installations were against the Flood
poor as the flood was able to wait outside them and gather whatever numbers they needed to push though
at best they slowed the flood down but it also led the forerunners to play to much defence and rather then push forward they let the flood build for to long
so i would say they lost the war for them
I think they were fairly effective - at first. And then the Flood began moving too fast and too unpredictably, plus the defences began to be subverted.
They played a somewhat significant role in my fanfic story about the fall of the Forerunners, to, helping to inspire future Halo tech.
Probably went around it like Germany did to the hilariously useless Magnot Line France used.
@@VaciliNikoMavich The Maginot Line was not useless. Its purpose was to force any attacking German Army to go through Belgium...which is exactly what happened. The French had an agreement with the Belgians that if Germany were to attack Belgium that they would both activate their reserves. However the Belgian Government pussied out and decided to go towards a policy of neutrality and build fortifications instead. France prepared itself for another WW1/Great War rather than the "Lightning War" that the German Army had started to use. But the end all of this is that the Maginot Line forced the German Army to go through Belgium, it did what it was supposed to do.
@@psychologicaltirefire8190 Cool.
Keep making that great content, you and Eckhart's Ladder are imo the top channels for Halo lore right now. After reading a Halo novel I instantly go check your review on it.
I hope the forerunner flood war is explored in Infinite
They would have won with our new armor, the SEEKER Mk. II GEN3
ONI Section 3 I swear section three if you release that I’m activating halo ring again
The flood human covenant war and the flood of Forruner human war is totally different
Strange that no other lore channel I've watched has ever mentioned the cyclops things when they've talked about the flood
Delivery of the script and editing on this is 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Maaaan i love every video you make.
Keep it up
I'm in the process of reading Halo Envoy, and it mentions the Sharquoi. The Renegade Brutes have found them again!
Yeah, he's reviewed that book
Flood > Zombies 😜
Zombies had nothing on the flood.
Deka Tron oi galvatron
@@TheHalfLeft "I will rip open Ultra Magnus and every other Autobot until the Matrix has been destroyed!" 😉
Deka Tron where’s Optimus when you need him... oh yeah😫
@@TheHalfLeft First Prime, then Ultra Magnus...
Great video! Love hearing about the Forerunners and ancient humanity.
Another amazing video, thank you Sir
Yeah, um, Goku? We're gonna need those Super Dragonballs...
Have we ever considered that the Forerunners failed because 1000 is not a multiple of seven?
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Thanks Offensive Bias, we get to live thanks to you forgotten hero!
I know today is going to be a good day when Halo Canon uploads. Happy Halloween everyone!
I got a quick question. Why didn’t the forerunners resurrect themselves? After they fired the halo rings
Because they decided they fucked up the galaxy enough times, and that eliminating themselves would the other species prosper
As far as i know, Collectively, it was their plan to completely wipe-out most of the life in the galaxy (genocide) and it had somehow broken their moral code. Or more likely called the mantle of responsibility.
Chris Brandon most of them were converted to the flood, they did not want to interfiere with other species, thou it is stated that some did survive the war but it just states it was a small fraction of the empire
It was self induced penance for crimes against the mantle
They survived, but then spread themselves out very thin in the galaxy they went on to settle, according to Halo Fractures. And then may have died out - EXCEPT perhaps inside Bastion, wherever that turns out to be.
343 should make a game on the forerunners and their fight against the flood. Or someone needs to make a series on it. That would be awesome.
We got three bad books about it. It’s going to be worse if they made a game about it
An excellent and informative video.
You’re videos are great dude
#MakeOnyxGreatAgain
Bruh just make shields that zap the flood and DON'T run out after three popcorns hit you.
It’s terrifying knowing somewhere out in the farthest reaches beyond known space the flood escaped long long ago during their first invasion and have been festering and growing over the millennia. To return one day when humanity and the covenant have beaten each other to near extinction to sweep into the galaxy in vast numbers beyond imagination to finish the job they failed to do the first time unless our reclaimer can finally find a way to crush this ancient enemy once and for all
nah the flood was created from the precursors after they were wiped out by the forerunners. Milky way was the first galaxy they invaded
It has been hinted at and shown that the flood have colonized entire other galaxies.
And the forunner once think they could out smart the precusor, when they could not even be able to defeat the dust of precusor
Could you possibly make a video about the beginning and operation of the Flood? We understand that they’re corrupted remains of Precursors, but how can the Primordial be the Gravemind if the Gravemind in H2 and 3 seemingly possessed no such neurophysics-based abilities? Also you said A Gravemind? I thought there was THE Gravemind, as in there can be multiple physical bodies (like the Keyminds we hear about towards the end of the Forerunner Flood War) but they share a single mind? What exactly is the relationship between humanity and the Flood? Does it like us because the Precursors like us? Or does it just not care? What about the other Precursors? They were supposedly an intergalactic species, so even if all the ones in the Milky Way and Path Kethona were killed, wouldn’t there still be uncorrupted Precursors out there? Wouldn’t they hate the Flood?
Now that I mention it, Precursors can die? I thought they just kept reincarnating? What about them being killed by the Forerunners made them unable to come back? How did they even lose to the Forerunners? If they let themselves be destroyed, why?
He still at weaken state and needed help, also his actions of connected Cortana and Chief with the Domain in 3 probably show him using them
+The Gravemind is both plural and singular; plural in the sense there are numerous specimens of that keymind form, and singular in the sense they share same conciousness
+Also, H2-H3 Gravemind also used Neural Physics technology, in conjuction with Covenant tecnology, to transport High Charity from Mars to Installation 00
+The second: they don't care about what the Precursors originally thought about humans
+Sadly, there's a lot about the Precursors we still don't know (including their war against the Forerunners), and the last bit of info we know about their status is from Halo Mythos, which says, by modern times, they are "sunked in unreachable depths"
I would bet that the Gravemind DOES use neural physics, even if only on a minor scale - at first. Whether Precursor artefacts can be reactivated by later Graveminds is less clear. Although, now the Domain is being opened up and subverted, who knows what could happen?
@@chrissonofpear3657 Well the Halo Array destroyed all remaining Precursor technology in the galaxy, so there's sadly no chance of any Precursor tech popping up in the games at this point.
The lore was so much more interesting when the "Forerunners" were just humans. Yes, in the original Lore, forerunners were humans. That was supposed to be the big revelation. The flood was ripped straight from the bible, a plague on humanity that nearly destroyed them all save for a single seed--which eventually became the humans on earth. It would have been interesting to go deeper into that lore to see what brought about the "flood"--maybe some actual lore into how humanity angered "god" (Precursors) ect. Swapping the forerunners to be a different race was a terrible narrative choice, it broke the deep, rich symbolism Halo had before.
you are the child of my makers...you are forunner
ohh human history is it fascinating
yea i agree and it was stupid they changed it
hell the fact in the new lore humanity was allowed to use forruner tech makes zero sence as the forunners gad devolved humans due to viewing them as savage
scott grasser Um, did you miss the part where the Librarian when behind the other forerunners backs to make humans reclaimers? Some forerunners realize their mistakes
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The librarian explanation is not without its issues as well. 343 Industries contradicted fundamental quotes from 343 Guilty Spark, as well as the logs in Halo 3. Bungie are the original authors of this franchise, so I am far more willing to believe their vision than the lame fanfic 4 and 5 introduced.
It appears even 343 recognize how bad they effed up as Halo Infinite appears to retcon some things, but we'll see for sure on the 8th.
Awesome video!
Love your channel
Just wear a mask lmao.
😆
First one here* oh I know what the Halo cannon likes* ;)
this is amazing, I love this video... I've been trying to convince a buddy, who doesn't care for the Halo games, to read the Forerunner Saga cuz it is so foreign and, well, alien, in how it's written, as well as it's so far removed from the Halo games and I think he'd really enjoy it, but I could never find a way to explain the going-ons of it enough to catch his interest. I think this video will do it perfectly. Yes, you could argue this video is a little spoilery but luckily he's one of those weirdos that doesn't care about spoilers.
Anyways, great video, man! Thanks!!
Well, book 2 can be a slog, and I nearly held off on buying it. But on deeper reading, there's a fascinating story to all three, even if 343 never fully pay it off. Just depends if he can get over the possible issues with having an ancient human civilisation, and the oddities of the Geas or the Domain...
I like how the Forerunners' final methods of dealing with the Flood is "obliterate the flood's food source so we can starve it, thus winning the long game but losing all the same," and the Human and Covenant method is just "lol fucking burn them"
Forerunners never tried *weaponised Nano technology or nanites* Look at the Nanosuit in Crysis 2-3 to see where i'm coming from. They would attack flood at a molecular level and the flood wouldn't be able to evolve a defence unless they took over the commanding ancilla/software ....or is that technology non existent for Tier 1 Civilisations in Halo?. That's one thing that throws my ability to suspend disbelief over the forerunners. The have technology far more sophisticated than Nano technology but there is no record of them ever using it
yet we have *"NANO MACHINES"* in Mark 7 armor by 2558...and Humanity is Tier well above Tier 3, not sure if quiet 2
Boris Dun Ou Ere hmm, I think there WAS an instance of them using nano tech, or at least was implied to be used. It was when 2 forerunners wanted to talk, but in secret, so a 100 meter structure was built in seconds around them.
But I ain't too sure, I don't own the book, nor am I too sure that I'm remembering correctly
Boris Dun Ou Ere maybe your forgetting about the logic plague that a flood gravemind can inflict upon A.I’s very small machines such as nanites can be affected but I’m not so sure, maybe it would to dangerous if a flood gravemind found out about nano technology and exploit it if it was able to consume a life form with such knowledge, makes me think that’s the main reason why the forerunners avoided this kind of tech to slow down the evolutionary process of the flood.
Boris Dun Ou Ere nanomachines would be too susceptible to the logic plague, as they’d be directly integrating themselves within the Flood to destroy it from within.
Now that isn’t to say the Forerunners didn’t attempt such measures, as it’s clearly evident they had nanomolecular technology. But like all other things, such a measure didn’t succeed.
@@whisperedflame6952 not really as a single nanite doesn't have intelligence. They behave like mlekgolo worms except they are artificial. The flood immune system wouldn't evolve to combat weaponised nanotechnology
Unless their super cells emit some EMP waves or something
Susceptibility to logic plaque is only a legitimate argument where the central A.I is concerned as in if Mendicant Bias was leading the deployment
But from a practical point of view, nanites *would have won them war* with Offensive Bias
@Cian McCabe I read the Forerunner trilogy-including Primordium years ago so my memory's definitely let me down. And where did you find this information about Sangheili being injected with nanites?
Inb4 hiddenxperia fanboys over another Flood video
WhisperedFlame ikr better prepare
We need some kind of media on humans and forerunners before the flood. Developing that world further would make its devastating fall so much more real. All the life of the galaxy, empires spanning thousands of worlds, ground down in a war of thousands of years, and then wiped out completely in an instant, is incomprehensible.
Many of the halo 5 forerunner weapon mod REQs have cool flavor text, meant to be forms of flood resistance
Its a shame such a great story has been ruined.
yea 343 got really stupid with its cartoon bad guys and cliche characters
the captain of the infinity in 4 is just there to give the chief a authority figure to hate (dudes a child solder who has to have had worst commanders in his life)
the didact is in the back lore kind of interesting but in the games he was a simple kill all humans freak whos plot just was silly like...ummm the rest of your race is dead jackass what is the point beyond my children died in a war 100,000 years ago that we started (oh and im sorry but i find the idea of 2 didacts stupid and overly complex)
cortana just needs to die i doint even like her character anymore she was annoying in 3 with her visions and during 4 i just could not give a dam and felt they turned her into a generic ass damsel in distress who acts nothing like what she use to be so i doint care she turned evil because it does not feel like a evil cortana
and im sorry but the chief as awesome as he is should just be one man in a giant galaxy and frankly 4 and 5 made the universe focus to much on him
both the didact and cortana are to personal with the chief and it makes to to cartoonist feeling that the cartoon evil is so focused on just you
YES!!! I am not the last one to comment months later
All those knights just standing there and not being used? Combine all the knights and that other species and you have a massive anti flood army
holy shit, i just searched up halo for nostalgia and everything from the old days. I thought everything would’ve been dead by now after 343 threw the king of FPS to the dogs, but people are still trying to hold it up. It’s crazy that people are still learned about the lore and everything, I just wanted you all to know that I’m genuinely proud of what the halo community is and was. :)
I have great hopes for it, but the prospect of Microsoft micromanagement or of chickened out plot details due to some blowback of fans has jaded me a fair bit. Things don't seem as organically developed either, as much as in 2007-12 period.
Halo 4 was a good game. This is a good video.
Yeah I miss playing Halo 4 on the 360
I like Big Team Battle and CTF. I still play it on 360, just not in a while.
There was a lot of genuine effort put into Halo 4s campaign. They set up a story with a lot of potential... Then halo 5 axed all the hanging threads of that story. sigh
Halo 4 was decent.
All the black Forerunners were sent to the front line in Operation Human Shield.
Love your video. Hope we can meet one day in some halo event
Did they try walking around with a toothpick in their mouths?
Halo turned sour the moment Forerunners were no longer a mystery. 343 plots are fanfic tier.
Wow I saw your tweet and voted for this one...
But I wasint expecting it to be this early👍
The halo rings basically force the whole galaxy into a hunger strike against the flood
Honestly the destruction of the Forerunners on their own hands was poetic justice from the Precursors. They had it coming after destroying their creators.
Good job 👍
Maybe next video: Why the flood didn't invade earth in Halo 3?
Wow I'm watching this a year after it was posted.
I have always hated calling it the logic plague. It seems as though all it really means is that the gravemind really does have a point
He does have a point. If you care about preserving life and allowing it to evolve on its own (Mantle), then isn't the flood just a natural progression of life? And before you say flood is not natural, it is hypothesized that precursors created all life in the galaxy in the first place. Obviously I don't agree and would create a rebuttal, but its a legit argument.
@@sagnorm1863 the flood is a mutation of the precursors caused as a side effect of their attempted extinction at the hand of the forerunners. Can't name what book explained that off the top of my head.
But I did explain my original statement poorly. I meant that the logic "plague" seems to be propoganda used to describe what is actually a logical persuasion. IE: the ai's switch side because after explaining things, they think the floor is right. My thoughts anyway.