if it wasn't clear already, one of my objectives with this channel is to introduce players to weapons and loadouts that they may not have considered trying. I think this game can definitely get a bit boring if you play it the same way all the time so I like to mix things up and try out different play styles to keep things interesting.. and I'm trying to spread that kind of mentality to others. Hope the vid is helpful!
Honestly glad people like you exist. I swap my loadout after every mission. I've learned first hand that every weapon might not be the most "meta" but every weapon is good. Appreciate you're efforts. Way too many people don't have skill then blame the weapon for not being broken.
It really needs a sniper rifle scope on it, as does the Railgun. No reason why these should be mid range weapons. One of my most favorite things to do is go Scythe/Machine gun with a jetpack and burn things from range. Feels super fun, but is really tough without a longer range scope. Maybe when we get weapon customizations, if they're really doing that, then we'll get to change out and add whatever optics we want.
@@theetiologist9539 I second this. Give it a proper magnified scope. Said scope doesn't need the ranging marks because there is no ballistic drop, so it can be a simple + reticle like on the Sickle, but preferably more zoom like with the Diligence Counter Sniper.
This man gets the Adjudicator. Not the best at any job but good at everything. Need to down a gunship at long range? this weapon has your back. Need to rip through a nursing spewer before it melts you? This weapon has your back. A perfect all rounder weapon.
It can down a gunship? I already liked the damn thing but now im not using anything else for bots til i get the purifier or scorcher, sont know which ill go for first. I kinda bounced back and fourth between warbonds
I wouldn’t say it has your back for spewers. A whole magazine for a big that looks like it should pop like a pimple after 10 shots isn’t exactly “having your back”
@@davidponder1654it takes a whole magazine and half (probably less now because they reduced the durability health of the gunship) but it is doable, I had to do it twice when I got killed and couldn’t get my gear while surrounded by two gunship facilities
I legit use the liberator concussive specifically with a sentury build. Since it uniquely knocks things backwards it's great for keeping enemies off of my turrets that would otherwise stop firing or get slashed to death. Bug side.
For me, the main problem that primary weapons suffer from is the large number of stratagem weapons which function as primaries. My primary is reserved for the complementary role - Jar 5 to stagger hive guards / stalkers; and the Scorcher / Sickle to tackle striders / berserkers without wasting AMR / autocannon / HMG ammunition.
Pretty much this yeah. Feel like for 9 and 10 you will need general pupose stratagem like autocannon, MG or nade launcher combined with stratagems and with a teammate on AT
if you are a heavy gunner in the military then your heavy gun is your primary, the primaries are designed to kill the light and some mediums. not be a super soldier. this is what everyone gets wrong. there is a reason you have airstrikes and turrets also. you are not supposed to just run around with 1 gun and kill almost everything with it
Diligence counter sniper can literally one shot devastators and small bots so long as you have good aim. Low key beast against bots and almost nobody uses it. 😂
I love taking the counter sniper vs the bot's. its part of my regular rotation of weapons. It's really a trial by fire kind of weapon. It rewards having great aim but brutally punishes you for bad, or even decent aim
@@SilverGuard exactly. So long as you can take time to aim. Wearing stealth armor helps keep you hidden until you need to fire. I’m like a assassin with the medium armor stealth armor. Hands down favorite armor against bots and bugs. They can’t kill if you they don’t see you and in those dangers times it’s still a tanky armor.
I actually like the Lib Concussive. It just needs a little more Oomph on durable damage. I also would rather it stunlock in place rather than push back because that makes landing consecutive shots much harder.
@@kenobaltic5786 What do you expect it to do differently to begin with? Both weapons are literally made for the same purpose one is just one handed while the other is not, there nothing to sugarcoat about it. Its why i disagreed with it beign repurposed into a concussive weapon, they took away its explosive trait which mind you was a huge nerf, instead of giving it actual worthwhile buff to its base damage and rate of fire.
IMO if the Illuminate are anything like in HD1, the Adjudicator will be a beast against them. Fast fire rate to take down shields quickly and defend yourself against melee units, medium penetration to handle the robotic units, good long range performance to counter snipers...
if the adjudicator isn't good against bugs right now, then I don't see why they would suddenly be good against illuminate. Bugs are bullet sponges, which is why adjudicator isn't that good against them. Illuminate are probably just going to have the same issue but instead of pure health, it'll just be a shield + health
@@GameFuMaster Illuminates always had the lowest base health, it was their shield that gave them some protection, majority of them dosen't even have armor. Once their shield is down they were pretty easy to kill, and there is also the fact that not all of them had shields to begin with. Their standard infantry and scouts for instance didn't had neither armor or shield.
The weird thing about energy weapons, that I've noticed is that they fire for longer than bullet weapons (which is why I never really cared that the ammo cap was nerfed). Love using the scythe, but I would like a scope on it. I do wish that the adjudicator and tenderizer got a couple more mags as it runs out of ammo quickly. (Maybe one or two more). Otherwise, I like them. The concussion and the purifier. Purifier doesn't fit my playstyle, so that's more of a me thing, but the concussion is fairly restricted in what it can do, which means it is very limited it what compliments it. It does that one thing excellently, but in order to fill out the gaps, you need to know what compliments it. Otherwise, it will leave you floundering and that's the reason I don't like it.
I think a lot of these energy weapons need a new scope. Like they probably have the longest range and yet they all don’t zoom in. Like the purifier should be more of the sniper if the plasma punisher is the shotgun.
the sickle is not as accurate as people think it is. The gun tends to shoot around the center point of the reticule, while this is accurate, it does make pinpoint accurate shots pretty much impossible. it's still a better gun but the scythe is still better for PURE accuracy.
For me the most underrated weapons is and always will be the standard issue Liberator. Big magazine, sweeps fodder enemies up like dirt and effective at all ranges. Crouch with recoil-reducing armour and it is pinpoint accurate even at full auto. I like to try as many guns as I can and I always fall back on the good old Lib. Maybe the polar patriots AR is better but I’ve not unlocked it yet.
the Tenderizer is great! i just unlocked it and its got about as good weapon handling (sway speed) if not the same or better. the per shot damage is amazing for one tapping and its just an overall great weapon for anyone who really really values pinpoint aim
I love the Adjudicator. It feels good/fun to use, is practical with good enemy coverage and damage, and has one of the better ammo economies among the other ARs. But then again, I'm an odd-ball who doesn't like the Dominator, Tenderizor, or Scorcher.
As many have already said in the comments, the Scythe is suffering from its bad Red Dot sight. The gun wants to be a Marksman Rifle that focuses down weakspots, and when you do hit those the Scythe MELTS. But that sight makes it very difficult to do outside of close range, which the Scythe is not designed to handle with its current damage. If they buffed its damage up to make it a close range monster, then maybe the Red Dot would be fine, but I would rather a DIFFERENT laser weapon get added that fills that roll (*Cough *Cough the Tanto Laser SMG from the first game), and have the Scythe get a new scope that lets it act like a Laser DMR.
Gimmick weapons are exactly that. You could take a gimmick weapon, or you could take something that could kill it dead. Dead is a form of crowd control as well. Permanent at that.
The scythe is actually one of my favorite automaton weapons. I play exclusively bot 9s too, so I promise I'm not a shitter. Scythe + Laser Cannon is really, really good. It pops heads so fast and has such good range and accuracy with 100% uptime. Very hard to beat that combo, sickle just can't headshot efficiently like scythe.
I suck with lasers 😂 I've always been a promoter of the laser cannon Cus it does everything But some reason when bots marching towards me I can't bloody get em down cus of the small jitter u get when firing 😅
@@PaNiC_RRsame. The stagger from the Sickle is a fantastic effect. I think it would be nice if the laser weapons had the ability to burn armor off enemies with enough time-on-target. Like exposing the charger legs for example
@@4tonmike good to see I'm not the only one! Edit: also I love the idea of burning away armor, when I first saw laser weapons I thought it would work like that :(
Adjudicator + grenade launcher + supply pack is a legit load out option for bug side. If we ever get incendiary grenade launcher or thermite grenade launcher this would be a go to pick.
@@Misfiring89 the cookout is pretty damn good for that role too, it does quite a lot of stagger but ofc the firerate is pretty low in comparison. But it sets everything on fire too
I am anti meta and will being stuff thats out of the ordinary and just pick what i want, yes i do struggle every niw and then but at least am having a good time. Variety is the spice of liberty. But having said that i hope they do tone it down with the "balancing" and just level all guns and strats. And make the balancing by enemy type and difficulty level instead
I really should give the Liberator Concussive another go. I didn't like the way it felt whenever I briefly used it and I think that's just because it doesn't kill fast enough. I'm a very supportive player for squad mates, so I think I might really enjoy it if I just change my mindset, the ability to stagger enemies is huge! I never realized how good it really was at it. As for the Purifier, I've built dozens of different loadouts over the past few months around almost every support weapon, stratagem and damage type; combining some, keeping others more strict to certain things, and the one that surprised me the most was my stealth build. I used the Purifier, Grenade Pistol, Stalwart, Rocket Sentry and every Smoke-based thing in the game. I researched a bunch to figure out a good primary and settled on the Purifier, one of your vids on it helped to convince me that it'd be a great stealth weapon and that it was a pretty cool primary in general! It totally was. I got used to it quick and the Stalwart served as a perfect close quarter weapon to support it! The Scythe is one that I always liked! Even if it isn't that powerful, it FEELS powerful! And it can at least hold its own now. Those slow, consistent burning weapons are my jam. That's why I love the Flamethrower, RIP I was also surprised when I used the Adjudicator. Figured it'd be trash and it isn't. It's pretty solid. Not crazy powerful, but you're right, totally adaptable. If I had to pick one that I personally like and don't think is very popular, it'd be the Scythe... but I'll also say the Plas Punisher! I'm not sure if it's really all THAT unpopular, but I never see it used. And I love it! I've got this bizarrely good skill with both it and the Grenade Launcher that lob their shots. Idk if it has to do with depth perception or what, but while I'm not a very steady shot with primaries like the Dominator or Slugger, I can absolutely SNIPE enemies with the Plasma Punisher. So, funny enough, out of the three plasma weapons, the Scorcher's got to be my least favorite. Great vid! It's so much more fun playing when you mix things up!
Ever since the adjudicator got its buff, it have pretty much used it non stop. Feels great to shoot, does a lot of damage including medium pen, ans is surprisingly accurate while crouched or prone.
The adjudicator does make for a nice sniper rifle build. I ran it with the AMR and jump pack with great effect for a while. Great for distance shots and if you get surrounded you can unload on enemies. It’s a good allrounder but I always end up going back to the DCS eventually. I think guns like the adjudicator are good while you learn the game but eventually when you get the mechanics down and have the full roster of weapons available you start picking weapons for their strengths since you’ve learned how to play around their weaknesses more. Still using the same thing all the time gets boring so I switch around a lot and do go back to some of the guns available early on to change things up.
I’ve been using a laser build lately. It’s awesome! I run the Scythe, laser pistol, the laser cannon, orbital laser, with the laser rover. There’s just a bunch of lasers all over the place. I’ve also never run out of ammo. Highly recommend.
The Laser build on Acid planets is insane now that the rain lowers the armor of enemies (And you) the normal Scythe can now melt Spewers with ease when it rains. I managed to get a 470+ kills with just the lasers alone. Yea i might have got a bit too caught up in the bug slaying and ran out of time. But it felt good to use all those lasers, in a way i kind of like the scythe a bit more then the Sickle because i feel like i can hold it down a lot longer then the Sickle. I just feel the Sickle overheats too quickly and cools down too slowly But it's TTK is nice either way.
I think a lot of these guns have a niche utility that more compliments a play style than performs in DPS. I think though the problem I have is that the two stagger weapons are outperformed by weapons such as the purifier, that not only stuns it deals damage instantly killing the enemy. With the slugger buff it is even harder to justify taking purifier and concus. but the worst part is that the stun grenades exist. Sickle though is nice solely because the insane range it has. Paired with pistol and you have infinite laser uptime, and can pew pew things off people from across the map. Solid ranged trash clear, which is a pretty nice niche for a weapon. Especially if you run something like shield. But really though the main problem in higher difficulty is that you need a super niche tool. And all these weapons are pretty okay at one thing, but you need the like "wave clear of the gods," or the "on demand super stun that just stops EVERYTHING" So all these things that aren't the best at their field fall off to the tools you actually need.
The Adjudacator is honestly one of my favorite primaries. Recently ran with a supply pack. Going prone and reloading before the clip runs out and this can act like a better handling MG-43 in a pinch. I really enjoy all the different load outs HD2 let's you come up with.
An example of using good fun loadout that complements team work (or skill). I don’t use any of those meta weapons that just kills everything with very little skills or effort. Talking about the boring incendiary shotgun. I don’t hate the concussive gun. It’s one of the most fun weapons in the game but because it doesn’t do as much damage as other weapons, people disregard it. Not me because that’s what I want in more game. What’s even more amazing is if you combine this with a flamethrower dude and you pretty much dominate everything as a team.
Its breaks my heart the Lib Concussive sucks so much because I love how it looks. The stun feature is pretty pointless to me because killing enemies works just as well at crowd control
Call me a traitor and throw down a 500kg - I think the Eruptor in its current version is a bit slept on. It’s nothing like what I’ve heard of it pre-nerf, but as a utility sniper for bug hole busting and medium enemy destruction, it does the job and is actually a fun one to run. I usually run it with stalwart, verdict and supply pack, then I load up on anti-tank offensive stratagems to cover the build’s lack of response to heavies. Oh, and I also run it with peak physique armor passive. Gotta have that to make the eruptor’s handling bearable.
I love choosing primaries that are typically labeled "bad." In fact, I think it is more fun learning how to master their effectiveness in any capacity. Makes loadouts and missions much more interesting.
I was surprised to hear that the adjudicator had such a bad rep. I absolutely love using it against bugs, I only swap to the dominator when I'm fighting bots.
Personally I love the arc blitzer, especially against the bugs. Same reason as for the LC, it’s a stagger monster. It’s short range so you need to back it up with a good support weapon but once you get the timing down, nothing can reach you.
The Adjudicator is beastly, love it. But recently developed an appreciation for the Lib Carbine, coupled with MG-43, Nade pistol. I only realized how much I enjoy it after trying to switch to the Tenderizer. Quick handling, high fire rate, solid damage. Just feels perfect.
The Adjudicator is the most "realistic" gun. You try swinging around a 3 lbs gun and shoot 20 rounds of .308 on full auto. Go prone. Use the bipod. Against bots your harder to shoot on the ground and against bugs you're picking off big targets before they get to you
Honestly, Las-5 feels much better on bots then the Las-16, because the beam deals with devistator's face hitbox more consistently then any more conventional rifles
I like the liberator concussive as a utility weapon, when my main DPS comes from a support weapon like a stalwart/mg/laser canon/auto cannon etc. But my beloved for bugs is the arc Blitzer, in terms of aoe stagger it cannot be beat.
Mogz: plasma shotgun not ideal at long range 6:47 me: literally marks my targets so i can use the plasma shotgun as a mini mortar at long range (i honestly do that and it takes practice but it's fun, also of course this is not a dedicated long range weapon like the diligence)
Lots of people say the scythes issue is it's scope or that the sickle exists, but I don't think this is the case for either. The biggest issue is that the scythe is TOO efficient for its own good. The scythe not only is more precise than the sickle, but it also can shoot consistently for 2 seconds longer and has a faster spool time. This sounds awesome until you realize that it's so efficient at what it does that it becomes unnecessary. There's not reason to take it because of these attributes because they are straight up overkill across the board. It's sorta just a weapon that was made for a problem that didn't need to be solved tbh.
Currently i am loving Liberator Concussive, pair with guard dog. Stalkers get murder easy ad yes i always found myself helping my team mates that are being chase by horde. As soon as i stop horde in its place the teammate that was running either can reload now or turn around and light them up. I feel like if they add just 5 more damage to make it 70 damage that it would be a top pick or at least you see more people using it.
My favorite primary is the Punisher Plasma. I like the huge projectile for reduced need for accuracy, medium pen, massive splash damage, and the crazy amount of stagger. Good video. Screw the meta. Change up your loadout often divers.
lol Purifier sucks not because of charging time but because you can't use it to clean trash in front of you. Any prime weapon sucks that doesn't allow that. Just try fighting Hunters if you don't believe me. Scythe also sucks, it's just not enough to be useful and efficient. I believe that prime weapon must be as universal against trash as possible and being efficient at it, and some weapons are good only on paper, where enemies don't swarm you.
Adjudicator is my favorite primary. You definitely have to learn it's idiosyncrasies to really benefit from the things that make it unique. Otherwise it can feel very punishing in ways that other weapons do not. I can't blame anyone for wanting to rock any of the other primaries since so many of them are obviously amazing and let you mow down the enemies of democracy like the super citizen that you are.
I actually love the SMG Knight… I know I know, call me crazy but hear me out.. I love it against bots.. I use it on burst fire to control the accuracy and if i get overrun with berserkers or little targets you can change to full auto to mow them down..
It's not that I hate these weapons, but these either feel like pea shooters, a hassle to use or need a supply backpack to function half as good as the goats. Just as my friend used to say: why would I choose it?
I think the main reason people don't really like these weapons is that they don't feel as good to use The Liberator Concussive doesn't do the damge that other guns can so it feels like using shove instead of a gun The Scythe also doesn't do enough damage so it feels like a lazer pointer instead of a weapon The Purifier has to low of a charge rate to feel effective against anything of a high level as well as being unable to fire unless fully charged can make it feel clunky The Adjudicator is really good with the all rounder style but the low ammo count holds it back If people want to use them that's all good I just think that it takes a certain player to really enjoy them
I love taking the basic breaker. it's really fallen out of favor sense the nerf but it's still fantastic. Great damage, fast reload, and decent range for a shotgun. It can still blast down a stalker before it yeets you with it's tongue attack. The nerf just made it so you can't spam shoot everything without running out of ammo fast.
Yknow what? You’re fucking right, bro. Gameplay getting bored and stale? Try the ‘bad’ guns. I’ve been having a good time with the Tesla coil. Throw it into a bug* base and it face tanks everything while I focus the bug holes. Played 400 hours and only started using it last week
this gun used to be a beast back around the time the game release but after buffing fire so much and the breacher fire variant being so good at CC it's hard to not use it unless youre experimenting for fun
If you run Adjudicator with any of the Peak Physique armor, it turns into an absolute demon. Even when moving I have a very easy time tossing 2 round bursts at chaff bots with accuracy.
Sickle is my go-to for Automatons, but I recently have started using punisher plasma and holy crap is it really good against automatons! Haven't tried it on the bugs yet tho.
Problem of stagger is that i need enemies dead, not staggered and most of the time you're not counting on your play doo eating teammates to kill stuff for you.
haha have you even used both weapons dude? the pummeler offers TOTALLY DIFFERENT value to the liberator concussive. the pummeler doesnt even stagger warriors enough to interrupt their alarm calls lol.. utterly useless for stagger. whereas the concussive staggers enemies up to brood commander, pushing them across the damn map.. and interrupts attacks on enemies as large as bile spewers completely different weapons. zero comparison
@@Mogz-hd I do use them both. One is two-handed, lower fire rate and smaller mag capacity and the other is one-handed, higher fire rate and larger mag capacity. The Concussive suffers quite a bit once you get into the specifics as well. Using both weapons on Bugs and Bots offers different benefits but it's clear the Pummeler has for more use as the a support class weapon than the Concussive, especially with a Ballistic Shield and Information Retrieval missions where you have to carry something that takes your two-handed weapon away. The Concussive does have higher stagger due to it being an AR but also has less ammo then the Pummeler. They both serve their roles well yet it's clear one has more use than the other overall vs looking at one specific ability.
@@nurgle333 With the current ARs level of damage, i would give it 80 damage, but it should be like 90 if not 95 even, while standard Liberator damage should be 80, to at least one shot a freaking scavenger.
I love the eruptor with a lmg loadout it rocks. Another primary I enjoy is vs bots is the diligence cs. Very nice if you can get those headshots quickly
I wrote a comment under your pinned comment but i will also say here I have never seen anyone else using the special delux edition smg thing real fast firing i use it a bunch but you i have bever seen anyone else using it, i used it alot one first plsying the game and i still use it from time to time to challange my self but it could use a massive buff
For me it the ar liberator penetrator. Been my prymary for awile. Has a longer zoom than the abjucator and a larger mag cap. Medium pen. Able to one tab bot trash in the head and is very accurate. And still gwts the job done up close due to fast fireing rate (though i keep it in semi auto as i often use it more like a DMR)
At 4:53 you were able to switch between your stratagem and an equipment slot menu on the ready up screen. Can I get this on PS5? Have I been blind this whole time?!
haha ummm... i havent played HD2 on PS5 so i cant say for sure... but, i would imagine you would be able to do this yep you may just be blind.. definite possibility haha 🧑🦯
The adjudicator and purifier are pretty good and a fun change, i feel like people sleep on the punisher for bugs its my top pick for them the pushback and damage are really good
if it wasn't clear already, one of my objectives with this channel is to introduce players to weapons and loadouts that they may not have considered trying. I think this game can definitely get a bit boring if you play it the same way all the time so I like to mix things up and try out different play styles to keep things interesting.. and I'm trying to spread that kind of mentality to others.
Hope the vid is helpful!
The scythe is great for sniping automatons, i also think it is pretty quiet compared to other weapons
Honestly glad people like you exist. I swap my loadout after every mission. I've learned first hand that every weapon might not be the most "meta" but every weapon is good. Appreciate you're efforts. Way too many people don't have skill then blame the weapon for not being broken.
How do you feel the BR-14 Compares to the Tenderizer? Seems like the Tendie does everything the Adjudicator does but better.
@@ryanpost1446 thank you dude. really appreciate your comment!
@@MrLM002 tbh i havnt used the tenderizer much AT ALL so i can't really give my opinion on this.
Scythe suffers from its scope. Absolutely terrible for weapon that can pinpoint and burn devastators weak point.
yeah it need the sickle scope
It really needs a sniper rifle scope on it, as does the Railgun. No reason why these should be mid range weapons. One of my most favorite things to do is go Scythe/Machine gun with a jetpack and burn things from range. Feels super fun, but is really tough without a longer range scope. Maybe when we get weapon customizations, if they're really doing that, then we'll get to change out and add whatever optics we want.
@@theetiologist9539 I second this. Give it a proper magnified scope. Said scope doesn't need the ranging marks because there is no ballistic drop, so it can be a simple + reticle like on the Sickle, but preferably more zoom like with the Diligence Counter Sniper.
@@theetiologist9539every primary and support weapon needs the current sniper scope lol
You can always turn the zoom up by holding your reload button. 😅
This man gets the Adjudicator. Not the best at any job but good at everything. Need to down a gunship at long range? this weapon has your back. Need to rip through a nursing spewer before it melts you? This weapon has your back. A perfect all rounder weapon.
Alexus has noted this and will be sure to nerf the Adjudicator to oblivion in the next patch.
It can down a gunship? I already liked the damn thing but now im not using anything else for bots til i get the purifier or scorcher, sont know which ill go for first. I kinda bounced back and fourth between warbonds
@@davidponder1654 the blitzer works well on bug and bots, my go to primary
I wouldn’t say it has your back for spewers.
A whole magazine for a big that looks like it should pop like a pimple after 10 shots isn’t exactly “having your back”
@@davidponder1654it takes a whole magazine and half (probably less now because they reduced the durability health of the gunship) but it is doable, I had to do it twice when I got killed and couldn’t get my gear while surrounded by two gunship facilities
Fun facts about the Lazer weapons: they now set things on fire with continuous fire on the same target.
That is a fantastic change!
That’s awesome. I had no clue
Besides the sickle, unfortunately. It's still good without it though lol
I legit use the liberator concussive specifically with a sentury build. Since it uniquely knocks things backwards it's great for keeping enemies off of my turrets that would otherwise stop firing or get slashed to death. Bug side.
can the concussive stagger chargers? cause that's what kills my turrets most of the time
@@SilverGuardI think the… shield generator ‘turret’ can stop a charge. I think
For me, the main problem that primary weapons suffer from is the large number of stratagem weapons which function as primaries. My primary is reserved for the complementary role - Jar 5 to stagger hive guards / stalkers; and the Scorcher / Sickle to tackle striders / berserkers without wasting AMR / autocannon / HMG ammunition.
Pretty much this yeah. Feel like for 9 and 10 you will need general pupose stratagem like autocannon, MG or nade launcher combined with stratagems and with a teammate on AT
if you are a heavy gunner in the military then your heavy gun is your primary, the primaries are designed to kill the light and some mediums. not be a super soldier. this is what everyone gets wrong. there is a reason you have airstrikes and turrets also. you are not supposed to just run around with 1 gun and kill almost everything with it
Diligence counter sniper can literally one shot devastators and small bots so long as you have good aim. Low key beast against bots and almost nobody uses it. 😂
might include that one in the next ep of this
I love taking the counter sniper vs the bot's. its part of my regular rotation of weapons.
It's really a trial by fire kind of weapon. It rewards having great aim but brutally punishes you for bad, or even decent aim
@@SilverGuard exactly. So long as you can take time to aim. Wearing stealth armor helps keep you hidden until you need to fire. I’m like a assassin with the medium armor stealth armor. Hands down favorite armor against bots and bugs. They can’t kill if you they don’t see you and in those dangers times it’s still a tanky armor.
I actually like the Lib Concussive. It just needs a little more Oomph on durable damage. I also would rather it stunlock in place rather than push back because that makes landing consecutive shots much harder.
Its already have the biggest durable damage out of all ARs, imo all it needs is an increase to its rate of fire, to maybe 600 or the standard 640.
@@k_balu-8104 exactly what ive been saying since launch, it should at least fire just as fast as the defender
@@hikikomori2452 Or at least as fast the Adjudicator, 550 to be exact
So it would be the same thing as the pummeler?
@@kenobaltic5786 What do you expect it to do differently to begin with? Both weapons are literally made for the same purpose one is just one handed while the other is not, there nothing to sugarcoat about it. Its why i disagreed with it beign repurposed into a concussive weapon, they took away its explosive trait which mind you was a huge nerf, instead of giving it actual worthwhile buff to its base damage and rate of fire.
IMO if the Illuminate are anything like in HD1, the Adjudicator will be a beast against them.
Fast fire rate to take down shields quickly and defend yourself against melee units, medium penetration to handle the robotic units, good long range performance to counter snipers...
if the adjudicator isn't good against bugs right now, then I don't see why they would suddenly be good against illuminate.
Bugs are bullet sponges, which is why adjudicator isn't that good against them.
Illuminate are probably just going to have the same issue but instead of pure health, it'll just be a shield + health
I heard they turned into maniac cultists after the first war..
@@GameFuMaster Illuminates always had the lowest base health, it was their shield that gave them some protection, majority of them dosen't even have armor. Once their shield is down they were pretty easy to kill, and there is also the fact that not all of them had shields to begin with. Their standard infantry and scouts for instance didn't had neither armor or shield.
The weird thing about energy weapons, that I've noticed is that they fire for longer than bullet weapons (which is why I never really cared that the ammo cap was nerfed). Love using the scythe, but I would like a scope on it.
I do wish that the adjudicator and tenderizer got a couple more mags as it runs out of ammo quickly. (Maybe one or two more). Otherwise, I like them.
The concussion and the purifier. Purifier doesn't fit my playstyle, so that's more of a me thing, but the concussion is fairly restricted in what it can do, which means it is very limited it what compliments it. It does that one thing excellently, but in order to fill out the gaps, you need to know what compliments it. Otherwise, it will leave you floundering and that's the reason I don't like it.
I think a lot of these energy weapons need a new scope. Like they probably have the longest range and yet they all don’t zoom in. Like the purifier should be more of the sniper if the plasma punisher is the shotgun.
the sickle is not as accurate as people think it is. The gun tends to shoot around the center point of the reticule, while this is accurate, it does make pinpoint accurate shots pretty much impossible. it's still a better gun but the scythe is still better for PURE accuracy.
It's WAY more accurate the more you zoom and do fps. Almost literally pin point and space the shots.
yeah its really noticable when shooting devastator weakpoints. It still gets the job done though so theres that
Yeah if only the sickle had better sights
For me the most underrated weapons is and always will be the standard issue Liberator. Big magazine, sweeps fodder enemies up like dirt and effective at all ranges. Crouch with recoil-reducing armour and it is pinpoint accurate even at full auto. I like to try as many guns as I can and I always fall back on the good old Lib. Maybe the polar patriots AR is better but I’ve not unlocked it yet.
I dont despise the base liberator but the carbine variant from viper commandos feels alot more fun to play with
the Tenderizer is great! i just unlocked it and its got about as good weapon handling (sway speed) if not the same or better. the per shot damage is amazing for one tapping and its just an overall great weapon for anyone who really really values pinpoint aim
@@defuncthusky6649 tenderizer feels like it sorta can do the diligence cs role but automatic (and less stealthily, i guess)
Weak play meta, chad play everything for fun
I can think of a few franchises where this line can apply; consider it stolen! 😆
That's why I'm constantly searching for other loadout than the ones are meta.
Facts
I love the Adjudicator. It feels good/fun to use, is practical with good enemy coverage and damage, and has one of the better ammo economies among the other ARs.
But then again, I'm an odd-ball who doesn't like the Dominator, Tenderizor, or Scorcher.
I do not remember the concussive being able to stagger THAT much I will definitely look at that
yeh its actually insane. Pushes enemies away faster than any other gun in the game (due to stagger value + decent fire rate)
As many have already said in the comments, the Scythe is suffering from its bad Red Dot sight. The gun wants to be a Marksman Rifle that focuses down weakspots, and when you do hit those the Scythe MELTS. But that sight makes it very difficult to do outside of close range, which the Scythe is not designed to handle with its current damage. If they buffed its damage up to make it a close range monster, then maybe the Red Dot would be fine, but I would rather a DIFFERENT laser weapon get added that fills that roll (*Cough *Cough the Tanto Laser SMG from the first game), and have the Scythe get a new scope that lets it act like a Laser DMR.
Adjudicator is awesome but you have to take the recoil reducing armors
Gimmick weapons are exactly that. You could take a gimmick weapon, or you could take something that could kill it dead. Dead is a form of crowd control as well. Permanent at that.
The scythe is actually one of my favorite automaton weapons. I play exclusively bot 9s too, so I promise I'm not a shitter.
Scythe + Laser Cannon is really, really good. It pops heads so fast and has such good range and accuracy with 100% uptime. Very hard to beat that combo, sickle just can't headshot efficiently like scythe.
based lasermaxxer
I suck with lasers 😂
I've always been a promoter of the laser cannon
Cus it does everything
But some reason when bots marching towards me I can't bloody get em down cus of the small jitter u get when firing 😅
@@PaNiC_RRsame. The stagger from the Sickle is a fantastic effect. I think it would be nice if the laser weapons had the ability to burn armor off enemies with enough time-on-target. Like exposing the charger legs for example
I wanted to say the same :-) The scythe against automatons is excellent, provided that your support weapon can deal with medium (or heavy) armor.
@@4tonmike good to see I'm not the only one!
Edit: also I love the idea of burning away armor, when I first saw laser weapons I thought it would work like that :(
Adjudicator + grenade launcher + supply pack is a legit load out option for bug side. If we ever get incendiary grenade launcher or thermite grenade launcher this would be a go to pick.
Lib. Concussive would fit your build better than the Adjudicator. Use it to push away things that got too close, particularly Stalkers
@@Misfiring89 the cookout is pretty damn good for that role too, it does quite a lot of stagger but ofc the firerate is pretty low in comparison.
But it sets everything on fire too
@@orue5499 Sure but many people probably don't have the latest warbond yet
I am anti meta and will being stuff thats out of the ordinary and just pick what i want, yes i do struggle every niw and then but at least am having a good time. Variety is the spice of liberty. But having said that i hope they do tone it down with the "balancing" and just level all guns and strats. And make the balancing by enemy type and difficulty level instead
great attitude
I really should give the Liberator Concussive another go. I didn't like the way it felt whenever I briefly used it and I think that's just because it doesn't kill fast enough. I'm a very supportive player for squad mates, so I think I might really enjoy it if I just change my mindset, the ability to stagger enemies is huge! I never realized how good it really was at it.
As for the Purifier, I've built dozens of different loadouts over the past few months around almost every support weapon, stratagem and damage type; combining some, keeping others more strict to certain things, and the one that surprised me the most was my stealth build. I used the Purifier, Grenade Pistol, Stalwart, Rocket Sentry and every Smoke-based thing in the game. I researched a bunch to figure out a good primary and settled on the Purifier, one of your vids on it helped to convince me that it'd be a great stealth weapon and that it was a pretty cool primary in general! It totally was. I got used to it quick and the Stalwart served as a perfect close quarter weapon to support it!
The Scythe is one that I always liked! Even if it isn't that powerful, it FEELS powerful! And it can at least hold its own now. Those slow, consistent burning weapons are my jam. That's why I love the Flamethrower, RIP
I was also surprised when I used the Adjudicator. Figured it'd be trash and it isn't. It's pretty solid. Not crazy powerful, but you're right, totally adaptable.
If I had to pick one that I personally like and don't think is very popular, it'd be the Scythe... but I'll also say the Plas Punisher! I'm not sure if it's really all THAT unpopular, but I never see it used. And I love it! I've got this bizarrely good skill with both it and the Grenade Launcher that lob their shots. Idk if it has to do with depth perception or what, but while I'm not a very steady shot with primaries like the Dominator or Slugger, I can absolutely SNIPE enemies with the Plasma Punisher. So, funny enough, out of the three plasma weapons, the Scorcher's got to be my least favorite.
Great vid! It's so much more fun playing when you mix things up!
Ever since the adjudicator got its buff, it have pretty much used it non stop. Feels great to shoot, does a lot of damage including medium pen, ans is surprisingly accurate while crouched or prone.
its incredibly fun to use isnt it. def one of my fav weapons
The adjudicator does make for a nice sniper rifle build. I ran it with the AMR and jump pack with great effect for a while. Great for distance shots and if you get surrounded you can unload on enemies. It’s a good allrounder but I always end up going back to the DCS eventually.
I think guns like the adjudicator are good while you learn the game but eventually when you get the mechanics down and have the full roster of weapons available you start picking weapons for their strengths since you’ve learned how to play around their weaknesses more. Still using the same thing all the time gets boring so I switch around a lot and do go back to some of the guns available early on to change things up.
I’ve been using a laser build lately. It’s awesome!
I run the Scythe, laser pistol, the laser cannon, orbital laser, with the laser rover.
There’s just a bunch of lasers all over the place.
I’ve also never run out of ammo. Highly recommend.
The Laser build on Acid planets is insane now that the rain lowers the armor of enemies (And you) the normal Scythe can now melt Spewers with ease when it rains. I managed to get a 470+ kills with just the lasers alone. Yea i might have got a bit too caught up in the bug slaying and ran out of time. But it felt good to use all those lasers, in a way i kind of like the scythe a bit more then the Sickle because i feel like i can hold it down a lot longer then the Sickle. I just feel the Sickle overheats too quickly and cools down too slowly But it's TTK is nice either way.
I think a lot of these guns have a niche utility that more compliments a play style than performs in DPS.
I think though the problem I have is that the two stagger weapons are outperformed by weapons such as the purifier, that not only stuns it deals damage instantly killing the enemy.
With the slugger buff it is even harder to justify taking purifier and concus. but the worst part is that the stun grenades exist.
Sickle though is nice solely because the insane range it has. Paired with pistol and you have infinite laser uptime, and can pew pew things off people from across the map.
Solid ranged trash clear, which is a pretty nice niche for a weapon. Especially if you run something like shield.
But really though the main problem in higher difficulty is that you need a super niche tool. And all these weapons are pretty okay at one thing, but you need the like "wave clear of the gods," or the "on demand super stun that just stops EVERYTHING" So all these things that aren't the best at their field fall off to the tools you actually need.
The Adjudacator is honestly one of my favorite primaries. Recently ran with a supply pack. Going prone and reloading before the clip runs out and this can act like a better handling MG-43 in a pinch.
I really enjoy all the different load outs HD2 let's you come up with.
Funny enough I do like the adjudicator . I just tend to run it with engineering kit passive or the fortified passive. the recoil reduction helps alot
Bugs I get the pray and spray out might not have the fire rnds but you can't pull the trigger and let it work
An example of using good fun loadout that complements team work (or skill). I don’t use any of those meta weapons that just kills everything with very little skills or effort. Talking about the boring incendiary shotgun. I don’t hate the concussive gun. It’s one of the most fun weapons in the game but because it doesn’t do as much damage as other weapons, people disregard it.
Not me because that’s what I want in more game. What’s even more amazing is if you combine this with a flamethrower dude and you pretty much dominate everything as a team.
Its breaks my heart the Lib Concussive sucks so much because I love how it looks. The stun feature is pretty pointless to me because killing enemies works just as well at crowd control
This. Dps is god crowd control.
Call me a traitor and throw down a 500kg - I think the Eruptor in its current version is a bit slept on. It’s nothing like what I’ve heard of it pre-nerf, but as a utility sniper for bug hole busting and medium enemy destruction, it does the job and is actually a fun one to run. I usually run it with stalwart, verdict and supply pack, then I load up on anti-tank offensive stratagems to cover the build’s lack of response to heavies.
Oh, and I also run it with peak physique armor passive. Gotta have that to make the eruptor’s handling bearable.
I love choosing primaries that are typically labeled "bad." In fact, I think it is more fun learning how to master their effectiveness in any capacity. Makes loadouts and missions much more interesting.
Yup completely reversed my opinion on the Lib Carbine, due to this approach.
How do you use it brother?@@marksmith9369
I was surprised to hear that the adjudicator had such a bad rep. I absolutely love using it against bugs, I only swap to the dominator when I'm fighting bots.
Personally I love the arc blitzer, especially against the bugs. Same reason as for the LC, it’s a stagger monster. It’s short range so you need to back it up with a good support weapon but once you get the timing down, nothing can reach you.
The Adjudicator is beastly, love it. But recently developed an appreciation for the Lib Carbine, coupled with MG-43, Nade pistol. I only realized how much I enjoy it after trying to switch to the Tenderizer. Quick handling, high fire rate, solid damage. Just feels perfect.
Never thought about the crossbow at all as a weapon....but unlocked it and used it....fell in love with it..
The Adjudicator is the most "realistic" gun. You try swinging around a 3 lbs gun and shoot 20 rounds of .308 on full auto.
Go prone. Use the bipod. Against bots your harder to shoot on the ground and against bugs you're picking off big targets before they get to you
Honestly, Las-5 feels much better on bots then the Las-16, because the beam deals with devistator's face hitbox more consistently then any more conventional rifles
Big user of the adjudicator, this weapon is great, really underrated primary, i like this type of content.
glad to hear it! Vid is performing well and was fun to make so will def do more!
I like the liberator concussive as a utility weapon, when my main DPS comes from a support weapon like a stalwart/mg/laser canon/auto cannon etc. But my beloved for bugs is the arc Blitzer, in terms of aoe stagger it cannot be beat.
Mogz: plasma shotgun not ideal at long range 6:47
me: literally marks my targets so i can use the plasma shotgun as a mini mortar at long range
(i honestly do that and it takes practice but it's fun, also of course this is not a dedicated long range weapon like the diligence)
Lots of people say the scythes issue is it's scope or that the sickle exists, but I don't think this is the case for either.
The biggest issue is that the scythe is TOO efficient for its own good. The scythe not only is more precise than the sickle, but it also can shoot consistently for 2 seconds longer and has a faster spool time. This sounds awesome until you realize that it's so efficient at what it does that it becomes unnecessary. There's not reason to take it because of these attributes because they are straight up overkill across the board. It's sorta just a weapon that was made for a problem that didn't need to be solved tbh.
Currently i am loving Liberator Concussive, pair with guard dog. Stalkers get murder easy ad yes i always found myself helping my team mates that are being chase by horde. As soon as i stop horde in its place the teammate that was running either can reload now or turn around and light them up. I feel like if they add just 5 more damage to make it 70 damage that it would be a top pick or at least you see more people using it.
I really liked the concussive, especially for the stagger, until I got the incendiary. I can see myself going back to it occasionally.
My favorite primary is the Punisher Plasma. I like the huge projectile for reduced need for accuracy, medium pen, massive splash damage, and the crazy amount of stagger. Good video. Screw the meta. Change up your loadout often divers.
Punisher plasma is great for bots, because of the stagger. It really helps with all types of devestators.
lol Purifier sucks not because of charging time but because you can't use it to clean trash in front of you. Any prime weapon sucks that doesn't allow that. Just try fighting Hunters if you don't believe me. Scythe also sucks, it's just not enough to be useful and efficient. I believe that prime weapon must be as universal against trash as possible and being efficient at it, and some weapons are good only on paper, where enemies don't swarm you.
Keep up the great work bro!
Btw the Dominator with Peak Physique armor passive is very fast and smooth.
The adjudicator is a 9/10 for me. I use it regularly against bugs and bots. Same with dominator- great bot weapon.
Thank god for them fixing the purifier it used to be inconsitent but now it can dominate frfr
Adjudicator is my favorite primary. You definitely have to learn it's idiosyncrasies to really benefit from the things that make it unique. Otherwise it can feel very punishing in ways that other weapons do not. I can't blame anyone for wanting to rock any of the other primaries since so many of them are obviously amazing and let you mow down the enemies of democracy like the super citizen that you are.
I want the sickle’s sound back from HD1. Sounded so damn cool
sameeeee.. i made a whole vid abt that
I actually love the SMG Knight… I know I know, call me crazy but hear me out.. I love it against bots.. I use it on burst fire to control the accuracy and if i get overrun with berserkers or little targets you can change to full auto to mow them down..
Its kind of wild that people pick those 3 weapons when I just run Plasma punisher in every mission on both fronts because its OP
Shhhh be quiet, they might hear us 👂
It's not that I hate these weapons, but these either feel like pea shooters, a hassle to use or need a supply backpack to function half as good as the goats. Just as my friend used to say: why would I choose it?
I tried the scythe, and it was okay. It's not that bad it can deal with automatons alright
I love the liberator carbine gun that goes brrrrrt~ also huge fan of the Knight smg
I think the main reason people don't really like these weapons is that they don't feel as good to use
The Liberator Concussive doesn't do the damge that other guns can so it feels like using shove instead of a gun
The Scythe also doesn't do enough damage so it feels like a lazer pointer instead of a weapon
The Purifier has to low of a charge rate to feel effective against anything of a high level as well as being unable to fire unless fully charged can make it feel clunky
The Adjudicator is really good with the all rounder style but the low ammo count holds it back
If people want to use them that's all good I just think that it takes a certain player to really enjoy them
I love the Pummeler.... Stalkers literally hate me when I use it as they never get close to me
I love taking the basic breaker. it's really fallen out of favor sense the nerf but it's still fantastic. Great damage, fast reload, and decent range for a shotgun. It can still blast down a stalker before it yeets you with it's tongue attack. The nerf just made it so you can't spam shoot everything without running out of ammo fast.
Jar-5 + Jungle armour + Stalwart + commando or EAT + eagle of your choice => jack of all trades
Tenderizer is the best underrated weapon on bots. It’s like a full auto DCS without medium pen
Yeah man the adjudicator is dope. I use it because i run all AT stuff so it keeps me a safe boy from most big nasties that want to hurt me.
Yknow what? You’re fucking right, bro. Gameplay getting bored and stale? Try the ‘bad’ guns.
I’ve been having a good time with the Tesla coil. Throw it into a bug* base and it face tanks everything while I focus the bug holes. Played 400 hours and only started using it last week
this gun used to be a beast back around the time the game release but after buffing fire so much and the breacher fire variant being so good at CC it's hard to not use it unless youre experimenting for fun
If you run Adjudicator with any of the Peak Physique armor, it turns into an absolute demon. Even when moving I have a very easy time tossing 2 round bursts at chaff bots with accuracy.
I love the diligence counter sniper cuz it's a sniper and can oneshot devastators
Only one of these I dont run regularly is the concussive ill have to give it a shot again. Tried it when i first got it and never again
Sickle is my go-to for Automatons, but I recently have started using punisher plasma and holy crap is it really good against automatons! Haven't tried it on the bugs yet tho.
Problem of stagger is that i need enemies dead, not staggered and most of the time you're not counting on your play doo eating teammates to kill stuff for you.
I been using the Lib Concussion it does what I need to do, I just wish they would release more than shotguns in each Warbond
Scythe is king at bot headshots from mid to close range. That constant dps hitscan beam just is so forgiving on such low health weakpoints like that.
Blitzer is so underrated it’s legit the best gun to help kite bugs and keep the spewers from spewing
The adjudicator if it had a burst firing mode would be S tier
The liberator concussive is so good that they made an SMG version that out performs it.
haha have you even used both weapons dude? the pummeler offers TOTALLY DIFFERENT value to the liberator concussive.
the pummeler doesnt even stagger warriors enough to interrupt their alarm calls lol.. utterly useless for stagger.
whereas the concussive staggers enemies up to brood commander, pushing them across the damn map.. and interrupts attacks on enemies as large as bile spewers
completely different weapons. zero comparison
@@Mogz-hd I do use them both. One is two-handed, lower fire rate and smaller mag capacity and the other is one-handed, higher fire rate and larger mag capacity. The Concussive suffers quite a bit once you get into the specifics as well.
Using both weapons on Bugs and Bots offers different benefits but it's clear the Pummeler has for more use as the a support class weapon than the Concussive, especially with a Ballistic Shield and Information Retrieval missions where you have to carry something that takes your two-handed weapon away. The Concussive does have higher stagger due to it being an AR but also has less ammo then the Pummeler.
They both serve their roles well yet it's clear one has more use than the other overall vs looking at one specific ability.
Give the AR-23C mid-pen then this gun will be shining.
dude it would be amazing with med pen
Eh much rather have higher rate of fire, if they would give it medium pen then they also would nerf something about it, thats how they "balance"
How about just more raw damage?
@@nurgle333 With the current ARs level of damage, i would give it 80 damage, but it should be like 90 if not 95 even, while standard Liberator damage should be 80, to at least one shot a freaking scavenger.
I love the eruptor with a lmg loadout it rocks. Another primary I enjoy is vs bots is the diligence cs. Very nice if you can get those headshots quickly
I wrote a comment under your pinned comment but i will also say here I have never seen anyone else using the special delux edition smg thing real fast firing i use it a bunch but you i have bever seen anyone else using it, i used it alot one first plsying the game and i still use it from time to time to challange my self but it could use a massive buff
Throw the adjudicator on semi and you have a high ammo capacity marksman rifle
For me it the ar liberator penetrator. Been my prymary for awile. Has a longer zoom than the abjucator and a larger mag cap. Medium pen. Able to one tab bot trash in the head and is very accurate. And still gwts the job done up close due to fast fireing rate (though i keep it in semi auto as i often use it more like a DMR)
The adjudicator just needs larger magazines.
I adore concussive liberator. But sound quite dissaponts me. IMO to be comparable to tenderizer it should have small aoe atagger
Pummeler smokes the Liberator Concussive for the sole reason of being able to run away while stunning enemies shooting one handed
pummeler has almost zero stagger. Doesnt even interrupt brood commander alarm calls, and doesnt push them back AT ALL.
Agreed the Adjudacator is nice used it against bots I was impressed
Pummeler is still my fav weapon, along with the ballistic shield. It makes me feel like an MG Devastator!
At 4:53 you were able to switch between your stratagem and an equipment slot menu on the ready up screen. Can I get this on PS5? Have I been blind this whole time?!
haha ummm... i havent played HD2 on PS5 so i cant say for sure... but, i would imagine you would be able to do this yep
you may just be blind.. definite possibility haha
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Scythe Las cannon ftw!!! Love those 2 with stuns they are amazing
The Concus liberator was the First primary I used as well!
Pummeler is just simply better. And its 1 handed. Lasers got ninja buffed. They light enemies on fire now so they do a lot more dmg overall.
iv seen a few people mention this.. but i have not noticed any fire being created by laser weapons.
I used it on occasion. It was fun. But unfortunately it struggles on a lot of levels.
Would use the concussion if it had medium armour penetration.
hear me out, the exploding crossbow (I can't properly use the grenade pistol)
Liberatee concussion is amazing
punisher for me is the most fun weapon, good enough to do the job and one tapping bugs
The adjudicator and purifier are pretty good and a fun change, i feel like people sleep on the punisher for bugs its my top pick for them the pushback and damage are really good
Plasma punisher just sounds like it would be too much of a liability against bugs
@nurgle333 na I'm just talking standard punisher not plasma
I need to give the adjudicator another shot with the newer armor perk from viper
I actually use the Adjudicator all the time against the bots.
I like the countersniper a lot c: