So - Apple's got a sort of vanilla, underpowered version of EZBass, Drummer and Keys. But it trumpets the fact that it's "AI" where Toontrack doesn't, so... Cool, I guess?
Ha ha .. Yeah .. It's just another extension of Drummer .. and you're right. First thing I thought were the Toontrack virtual instruments. You have to fight with Logic's drummer enough to get it to do what you want anyway. It's actually easier just to program the damn stuff with V drums, a keyboard or just drop in the midi by hand. It's such gimmicky nonsense. I love my Logic Daw .. but this update is pure novelty other than that saturation plug-in they gave us. I don't even care about that 'Stem Separation' function everyone is freaking out about. Big deal .. another sample grabber. Who cares?
@@Fiveash-Art Well... I do care... to me it was a great update. I did use Moises in the past for stem separation and the session players are cool little inspiration and practize tools. If you feel not capable of making good use of some tool... it must not be the problem of the tool you know? ;)
Let me phrase that a bit differently... you got a free update of something that resembles somewhat like 450$ of other software for free and completely integrated in your DAW... but you still feel like it makes you look cool by postulating its just some "AI" washing? ;)
@@aptfx 'Free' as in you already paid for the software, because Logic Pro isn't free. They put more features into it to sell more copies of it. If you get more out of it, that's great. I sincerely hope you go make great things with it. That's the point! As for "AI washing" - it is what it is. If you'd made the same product two years ago, it wouldn't say anything about AI, and it would do the same thing. EZDrummer 3, with its bandmate feature, came out May of 2022. Does pointing that out make me feel like it makes me look cool? No, I think it makes me look tired and pedantic. Which is fair, because I am tired, and pedantic, and not cool.
@@brianbunkercomposer free as in „free update“ like any of the many updates we got since its introduction. Other vendors let you pay for updates. There is nothing wrong with that, but IMHO for the price of Logic Pro X it is hell of a good buy and Apple updating it regularly is definitely a positive thing. The mastering assistant of the last update was also quite handy. The biggest good news with Logic Pro X 11 is though, that they didn’t switch it to a subscription model…
Addictive Drums are not default in General Midi mode, but their own. You have to change it in Settings, Map Window and Map Preset (GM). Now it will play correctly with Logic Drummer.
Logic continues to add features that only non musicians need. For real music creators and mix engineers nothing much was added. I know of no hit records that sound like this. I wouldn’t listen to tracks like this on any day. It’s just gimmick after gimmick.
I haven't upgraded yet, but I gut feeling is it will water down creativity. 10, 000 hours to get a master on your instrument[s] will be for those that have more financial support [read; learning an instrument will be a luxurious endeavour]. My point is the more ''tools'' we acquire to produce music without a clue about the emotional relationship, the more mediocre so called art will be.
I tried s1, and loved it. Right up until the moment they went all “subscriptiony” on us, and made the new plugin only for subbers. So they’ve already gotten the last dollar they will get from me. In case anyone is wondering, there are still some cubase lifeboats available on the starboard side. 🛳️ 🎹♥️
Interesting, but it's funny how so many young people continue trying to re-create music from the past (Disco / 808) instead of trying to compose something new. I've been composing for 50 years and after using Logic's new features, I'm sure it will help young musicians that know nothing about music theory to get something together but I'm not really sure that it is going to improve there musical ability in the long run.
If I take almost finished 3 minute song track has synths and vocals and arrangement and it needs matching melodic rhythmic bass and drums can I do it here basically automatically like ai matches spacing of chords and with ongoing varying notes in each bar over 3 minutes as a noobie? Like scaler 2 than Captain plug-ins or ezkeys to ezdrummer 3 add in ez bass? What’s the best easy way? Limiting sidechain noise ducking problems maximizing groove beat energy
The players are ok to generate midi phrases for other plugins but like anything else it won’t write the hits for you. You NEED to do that 😊Talent is key
Great review, Steve! The AI players are impressive, but not really useful for top notch music creation like you do. As you said, they might be interesting for aspiring producers, but once they get to a higher level, it's hard to keep using them. The thing about searching for plugins that you mentioned is a real easy fix that would be much appreciated if Apple implemented it. Nice work, brother! Cheers!
Who cares? This has absolutely nothing to do with music. No talent for a musical instrument or song writing. All this does is allow tech companies to own music as an IP through AI and idiots who use and listen to it. Bland music for bland listeners.
Why would it be bland? It depends on who creates it. This is not AI at all. Merely a sample library operated by various parameters, whose final product quality depends solely on the creator's capabilities. Of course, the initial offered samples will be bland and generic, but including it in a song without much thought is entirely on you.
I just updated yesterday and had a play around with the new stuff. I'm not a keyboard player myself so the "AI" keyboard player was of most interest. I used it on a nearly finished track and was quite impressed. Not so much the bass player though I didn't spend a lot of time with that. Both my partner and I play bass so wont use it much except maybe for some of the background music I do for timelapse videos. The saturation plugin is ok but not a patch on BB Tubes for my money. All in all these are potentially useful tools for me. I can see them being used more by newbie artists/producers.
Not fan of DAWs introducing AI session players. I feel like with royalty free loop libraries everywhere, the generative MIDI in Ableton and plug-ins like Scaler, and now AI session players, music software is dipping their toes further into the realm of not being tools for musicians and composers to truly express themselves and create music with, but rather a piece of software an amateur boots into for personal entertainment, something akin to playing a video game like "Guitar Hero." Logic 11; No plug-in search. No articulation mapping refinements. No modulation options to allow the composer to create movement and expression to the timbre of sound. Logic 11 gives us the "press these buttons and the DAW writes music for you" feature. No thank you, Apple.
Apple is following the trend of almost all current music technologies, which is to get music-making tools into the hands of more and more (amateur/young) people. The ultimate effect of all this: the barre is going to be set lower and lower for people to make their own music. This will mean 2 things: 1. The quality of music in general will go down because people will be making music who haven’t spent any appreciable time working on their ear/taste/ideas; and 2. There will be loads and loads of music competing. … BUT, both of these are already totally true! … So basically professional musicians are going to be angry, hobbyists are going to have 25 ways to make mediocre music on their phone, and it will be just as hard as it is now to get anybody to pay attention. … So what changes? Not much actually. >>You will still have to get out and play music for a crowd, over and over
Yeah I see it the same way pretty much. The sea of mediocrity will expand but there will always be room for innovators at the top. Same as it's always been but just more volume.
Maybe I'm just an old luddite, but all the session stuff is a complete waste of time IMO. I don't need logic to create absolutely mediocre lounge music for me, I can already do that myself. The fact they didn't add features professionals have asked for forever like plug search, better automation, or an updated file browser is completely criminal. Have you seen the file browser in live? I'm more tempted than ever to switch away from logic if this is the direction they're heading. We waited 10 years for THIS?
@@DavidJRobinsonThe new Logic AI drums are better than most people think. I was toying around with them and I own almost all then big drum libraries, and you can really get in the ballpark of what you want. You can also replace the host drum samples with GGD or Toontrack libraries and convert the drummer region to midi and edit from there.
@@MaximusWhyman thx, i've been using Logic since Emagic owned it. i'm way past all this. everything in these programs takes too much time. it is quicker to record real players. j.
I believe you just use what you need…..I like Logic because it works for me. You can use as much or as little of the new stuff as you want. As a person who grew up with reel to reel and a mixer with no plugins it’s all great.
U can create a custom plugin folder in plugin manager (name it something that starts with "A" so that it´s on the top of the plugin folder list above "amps and pedals"). And put all ur most used plugins in that folder. Saves a lot of time :)
I dig the captain plugins also, even more than scaler 2. Just about to get started with cubase 13 pro. I haven’t really used it since atari 1040 st. 🎹♥️
What I found astounding is that they haven't updated the GUI of the Multiband Compressor, Filterbank, old synths like ES2 etc. I didn't expect the look of Logic Pro 8 (or earlier?) to live on in 11.
What would really be good for me is a reverse midi thing for the keyboards. The ability for it to tell me what I have already played on a track and THEN add a bass player etc... From grey and still chilly Ireland! ☘💪🏽👀👍🏽☘
I went to the zoo the other day ... they got monkeys and pandas making music now ... type in a few prompts and there is even time for banana breaks and snacks ... by next year it'll be singing goldfish ... all you need is a typing skills ... and your a genius ... users are becoming witnesses to music creation ... not actual creators .. rejoice now ... for tomorrow ... my 2¢
Write the song first, on an acoustic guitar. Then you know when something feels exact for you. It rocks for that. Chords come from scales. People hum melodies and bass lines.
your session experiment of session keys and drums felt how i would get down. my person found "midi listen very interesting". and "flex capture of audio" was rare to catch.
It's the first update from Logic that makes me want to sleep. If someone likes that Logic plays all the instruments instead of learning to play, that's fine with me. It is just not interesting for me. I get super bored! Maybe it is time to learn another DAW?
I recently tried Logic (again) but have been a Cubase user for years and years. Logic still feels plastic to me, if you understand what I'm saying. Kinda curious to a top 5 pros and cons between Logic and Cubase from your perspective, TBH. And I know no DAW is perfect.
Thx for watching! Yeah definitely there are some things in Logic which need serious improvement. I was watching a video someone made about Ableton the other day and it honestly made me wonder why I still use Logic at all 🤣Cubase is fantastic overall, my workflow has really improved with it and I love the macro setup functionality. It took a little while to fully grasp it coming from many years as a Logic user, but once you're in it totally makes sense to me.
@@Steven_Beddall I hear what you're saying, and I myself have been trying out Ableton Live too, but there's (IMO) nothing there that Cubase can't do! Even the non-lineair workflow Cubase manages (and better, again IMO). The fact alone that you don't need to switch between workspaces is a big win for Cubase! And, people like yourself, Mendel, Dom and let's not forget Greg are a HUGE help in working with the software! So thanks!
Logic’s browser is a nightmare. It's such a pain to look for samples and audition them. I don't know why they didn't fix this yet. Anyway, thanks for the video.
Logic 11's 'Stripper', not unlike other similar tools, won't be be easy to criticize since the stereo master has a vast mashup of effects. Striping (remixing), is like trying to put tooth paste back into the tube. Integrated technology that can strip away the effects is also needed. lol
You can organise your plugins with custom folders, just drag and drop them inside the plug in manager. Saves a lot of time, I have mine divided into about 12 folders - distortion, dynamics, reverb, lofi etc
I wish/hoped they’d keep this ‘band in a box’ stuff to GarageBand, that kinda’ feels like a better fit. Also, unless I’m missing something, the session players can’t play time signatures that aren’t divisible by 4 … 3/4 for example
I think it's cool it's there as an option ... but they're really hyping this gimmicky stuff. For a supposed 'Version 11' .. I'm pretty underwhelmed. Wish they had included more plug-ins like that saturation effect .. maybe some more drum kits , some attention to the amp simulators. The new basses are pretty cool and that piano sounds better than what we've had. I really don't care much for the supposed 'A.I' nonsense though. Using drummer has never been something I kept on a final track anyway... just a quick way to keep tempo as a place holder. Some of the fills were usable .. but most of the time not. Easier to just program or play it by hand.
@@NicolaDonchev my question is have you mix like a pro yet and I think you need AI to nothing wrong with that you haven’t mixed like a pro yet so you need the AI😊
I realize that I’m blessed in that keys are my instrument and I won’t have much use for the ai stuff, but I don’t get why folks bash it so much. I won’t use it but I wouldn’t tell anyone else not to, or that it’s the end of musical creativity. I have great love for upcoming producers and I feel they should be nurtured and cherished as part of the future of music. It’s up to us old-heads to help others navigate through the hype, the ads, and the un-constructive negativity. Music tech and tools have led to the progression of music into what it is today. If I may suggest, use them but also use your heart. Humbly, I know a thing or two about 3 & 4. 😊 Recording/releasing records since 1981, group nearing our 50th anniversary, 27 albums, 1 solo album and many songs on other artists. I’ve used a tool or 2 along the way. 🎹♥️
Thanks for this. I have a Digitech Trio Band Creator pedal. I like to play my own guitar track and have the Trio give me a choice of what bass guitar or drums would accompany me. Does LP11 do that?
I have that pedal too. I use it just for backing while I play. Then might get something creative pop in my head. From my experience with Apple drummer, I think this stuff is just a more customisable version of the biab pedal. Like the drummer starts with a basic layout you can select, then tweak, the pedal you can only select the pattern.
What an awesome video! I loved it. Seeing how you used the new Session Player and other new features was great. I don't know if I would try the Session Player, but the best way to learn is by doing it yourself. AI doesn't always give you the results you want. However, the Keyboard Player is pretty cool. As for the search bar, for me It doesn't really matter. I wouldn't say I like to focus on these tiny little things. I look at Logic as a whole. After trying out others like Pro Tools, I found that Logic Pro is the best DAW because it's very user-friendly. You can get a lot out of it if you step away from the stock plugins, which don't give you the best results. I would use the new Logic features if they had the same quality/sound as third-party plugins.
Thanks for watching, it’s actually amazing what you can pull off with the stock sounds and plugins in most DAWs but sometimes takes a little more work to get there
Hi Steve! Thanks for this overview. There are some nice new features coming with Logic 11. To me it seems they wanted to be the first big company to have this AI thing in their software. I don‘t know if and how the updates will affect my workflow. I will give it a try soon. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the video. So from messing about I came to the same conclusions really, it’s not customisable enough to use for me. Especially the bass, sometimes starting on a high octave note, lots of double note repeats etc it just doesn’t sound authentic. I didn’t realise you could midi the chords in though so thanks for that, I’ve been changing chords within the bottom part and then pasting it to global. I thought it would be confusing for people with no chord or theory knowledge, I expected it to have more of a “song builder” type approach. It kind of reminds me of messing with cakewalk and band in a box when I was a kid in the 90s, too general midi feeling and not enough musical intelligence
@@Steven_Beddall Yeah we're right at the beginning of something new and fresh, it's exciting! I feel like they could have improved the chord generator and arpeggiator rather than adding the 'AI' so called players! Still the same old "Left Hand Jazz' kind of presets from logic 8 that you can't really build a song with Within a year we're probably going to have suno type generators and polyphonic melodyne built in as standard as well at the rate it's going! The next few updates will be fun!
Next best option for sure. I use a lot of different plugins though, some I use sparingly too. When using Cubase the search function makes it infinitely faster and so much less painful
I agree with pretty much all the comments on logic 11. Good example of penny wise, but dollar foolish. They added several things nobody asked for, yet none of the things users have asked for for quite some time. They’re lucky this is a free upgrade, or logic would be on the shelf collecting midi cobwebs alongside s1. For me this “free upgrade” = $2600 for a silicon mac, which I don’t need right now unless I wanted to use logic 11. Cubase 13 here I come. I fell in love with logic because it’s fairly easy to get around on. Nowadays, it seems more of a nuisance/hindrance. I will get a mac studio soon because I’m not going back to pc. I just won’t be forced into buying one by logic 11 before I’m ready. 🎹♥️
Yeah I hear you. I was contemplating Mac Studio as well, but wanted to be portable so got a 64GB MacBook M1 Max. Before that I purchased a powerful PC thinking I was going to make the big switch, but running Cubase on the PC was a total nightmare. Now I use both Logic and Cubase on Mac and everything runs smooth.
@@Steven_Beddall That sounds nice. A portable rig is kinda appealing to me, but when I’m on the road I like/need to get as much rest as possible with my age and health issues. I’ve long said, I play for fun and I get paid to travel. Hope you enjoy your MacBook, it sounds like a powerhouse. 🎹♥️
i just want to save my session chords. I'm sure that would come in time. Sending the session keyboard through MIDI out to other instruments and adjusting the settings in real time is fun.
You can save chord progressions you create, but it is a bit of a hack. Just copy the global chord progression to any session player region (or session player loop) and export it as an Apple Loop. When you load the loop in future the region will have your chord progression. If there is no global chord track when you load the loop it will copy it to the global track, but you can copy back and forth between global tracks and region tracks at any time.
A bit surprised you didn't dig in to all the customisation options and manual rhythm settings available in the session players. They can be directed to be a lot more specific than you presented. Not suggesting they're going to be for everyone but, as a bass player, I can direct them to deliver some much better keyboard playing than I ever could... Really liked the results I could get using some of the pads played through other synths, coupled with modulation etc.
Nice review Steven. I totally agree and wish they would have updated Logics search capabilities! There is a little shortcut for instruments and effects that's handy. If you go into the plug-in manager, then in the "category" window hit "+", create a new folder, I named mine, "Fave instruments" & Fave FX" then drag the instrument/FX plug ins into the folder. Then simply access them in the pull down instrument or audio channel in logic. Hope that made sense :)
So - Apple's got a sort of vanilla, underpowered version of EZBass, Drummer and Keys. But it trumpets the fact that it's "AI" where Toontrack doesn't, so... Cool, I guess?
Ha ha .. Yeah .. It's just another extension of Drummer .. and you're right. First thing I thought were the Toontrack virtual instruments. You have to fight with Logic's drummer enough to get it to do what you want anyway. It's actually easier just to program the damn stuff with V drums, a keyboard or just drop in the midi by hand. It's such gimmicky nonsense. I love my Logic Daw .. but this update is pure novelty other than that saturation plug-in they gave us. I don't even care about that 'Stem Separation' function everyone is freaking out about. Big deal .. another sample grabber. Who cares?
@@Fiveash-Art Well... I do care... to me it was a great update. I did use Moises in the past for stem separation and the session players are cool little inspiration and practize tools. If you feel not capable of making good use of some tool... it must not be the problem of the tool you know? ;)
Let me phrase that a bit differently... you got a free update of something that resembles somewhat like 450$ of other software for free and completely integrated in your DAW... but you still feel like it makes you look cool by postulating its just some "AI" washing? ;)
@@aptfx 'Free' as in you already paid for the software, because Logic Pro isn't free. They put more features into it to sell more copies of it. If you get more out of it, that's great. I sincerely hope you go make great things with it. That's the point! As for "AI washing" - it is what it is. If you'd made the same product two years ago, it wouldn't say anything about AI, and it would do the same thing. EZDrummer 3, with its bandmate feature, came out May of 2022. Does pointing that out make me feel like it makes me look cool? No, I think it makes me look tired and pedantic. Which is fair, because I am tired, and pedantic, and not cool.
@@brianbunkercomposer free as in „free update“ like any of the many updates we got since its introduction. Other vendors let you pay for updates. There is nothing wrong with that, but IMHO for the price of Logic Pro X it is hell of a good buy and Apple updating it regularly is definitely a positive thing. The mastering assistant of the last update was also quite handy. The biggest good news with Logic Pro X 11 is though, that they didn’t switch it to a subscription model…
Artificial- Yep
Intelligent- debatable
I love this 😆
A search bar for plugins! Oh yeah!
Speaker Food Plugin search work great but I prefer just creating customs folders for my plugins.
Addictive Drums are not default in General Midi mode, but their own. You have to change it in Settings, Map Window and Map Preset (GM). Now it will play correctly with Logic Drummer.
Logic continues to add features that only non musicians need. For real music creators and mix engineers nothing much was added. I know of no hit records that sound like this. I wouldn’t listen to tracks like this on any day. It’s just gimmick after gimmick.
I use AD2 with drummer all the time. AD2 doesn't use General Midi mapping for drums. You have to just switch AD2 to GM mapping.
I haven't upgraded yet, but I gut feeling is it will water down creativity. 10, 000 hours to get a master on your instrument[s] will be for those that have more financial support [read; learning an instrument will be a luxurious endeavour]. My point is the more ''tools'' we acquire to produce music without a clue about the emotional relationship, the more mediocre so called art will be.
try Studio One and you will be surprised how workflowy it is
I tried s1, and loved it. Right up until the moment they went all “subscriptiony” on us, and made the new plugin only for subbers. So they’ve already gotten the last dollar they will get from me. In case anyone is wondering, there are still some cubase lifeboats available on the starboard side. 🛳️ 🎹♥️
Interesting, but it's funny how so many young people continue trying to re-create music from the past (Disco / 808) instead of trying to compose something new. I've been composing for 50 years and after using Logic's new features, I'm sure it will help young musicians that know nothing about music theory to get something together but I'm not really sure that it is going to improve there musical ability in the long run.
If I take almost finished 3 minute song track has synths and vocals and arrangement and it needs matching melodic rhythmic bass and drums can I do it here basically automatically like ai matches spacing of chords and with ongoing varying notes in each bar over 3 minutes as a noobie? Like scaler 2 than Captain plug-ins or ezkeys to ezdrummer 3 add in ez bass? What’s the best easy way? Limiting sidechain noise ducking problems maximizing groove beat energy
Changing all the patches is really important, and if you do 3/4 or 7/8, 9/4 it works way better. I made a 6 song EP in a night with a rhymer.
dude you gut terrorist symbol (UA) in your doc
Woah. I wish Cubase and Studio One came with this. Let's see. Very interesting and great tool for sketching out ideas rather quickly :)
band in a box has been able to do this for years, and you can load it as a vst :)
You definitely don’t need session drummer because you are one💪🏿💪🏿🔥🔥
The players are ok to generate midi phrases for other plugins but like anything else it won’t write the hits for you. You NEED to do that 😊Talent is key
You use logic&cubase? My go to programs are cubase&ableton. Wich you prefer logic or cubase?
Great video, very useful! Also nice drumming dude :)
Logic should just buy Speakerfood. Like ASAP. LOL.
Thanks, helpful confirming this stuff is corny. You can get session players just as good/bad using Band in a Box.
I’ve got a feeling that Apple will unify Logic based on the iPad version. That has a better sound browser and plugin search already.
Great review, Steve! The AI players are impressive, but not really useful for top notch music creation like you do. As you said, they might be interesting for aspiring producers, but once they get to a higher level, it's hard to keep using them. The thing about searching for plugins that you mentioned is a real easy fix that would be much appreciated if Apple implemented it. Nice work, brother! Cheers!
For a FREE upgrade it is huge I think (for me anyways..)
Who cares? This has absolutely nothing to do with music. No talent for a musical instrument or song writing. All this does is allow tech companies to own music as an IP through AI and idiots who use and listen to it. Bland music for bland listeners.
Why would it be bland? It depends on who creates it. This is not AI at all. Merely a sample library operated by various parameters, whose final product quality depends solely on the creator's capabilities. Of course, the initial offered samples will be bland and generic, but including it in a song without much thought is entirely on you.
funny thing about session players is that they sound just about as tired and burnt out as the AI.
I just updated yesterday and had a play around with the new stuff. I'm not a keyboard player myself so the "AI" keyboard player was of most interest. I used it on a nearly finished track and was quite impressed. Not so much the bass player though I didn't spend a lot of time with that. Both my partner and I play bass so wont use it much except maybe for some of the background music I do for timelapse videos. The saturation plugin is ok but not a patch on BB Tubes for my money. All in all these are potentially useful tools for me. I can see them being used more by newbie artists/producers.
On the next Logic release Apple will be including weed seeds that, when you grow them and have a smoke will make their AI sound super good. j.
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Amazing video, thanks for sharing!
Not fan of DAWs introducing AI session players.
I feel like with royalty free loop libraries everywhere, the generative MIDI in Ableton and plug-ins like Scaler, and now AI session players, music software is dipping their toes further into the realm of not being tools for musicians and composers to truly express themselves and create music with, but rather a piece of software an amateur boots into for personal entertainment, something akin to playing a video game like "Guitar Hero."
Logic 11; No plug-in search. No articulation mapping refinements. No modulation options to allow the composer to create movement and expression to the timbre of sound. Logic 11 gives us the "press these buttons and the DAW writes music for you" feature. No thank you, Apple.
Well said 🎹♥️
Im just gonna say I tried the stem splitter yesterday and it really blew my mind, waaaaay better than lalai
This isn’t ai. Its parameter driven in my opinion
The stem splitter is good for reference tracks; to dissect them to compose
everything in Logic AI sounds like Nile Rogers
Apple is following the trend of almost all current music technologies, which is to get music-making tools into the hands of more and more (amateur/young) people. The ultimate effect of all this: the barre is going to be set lower and lower for people to make their own music. This will mean 2 things: 1. The quality of music in general will go down because people will be making music who haven’t spent any appreciable time working on their ear/taste/ideas; and 2. There will be loads and loads of music competing. … BUT, both of these are already totally true! … So basically professional musicians are going to be angry, hobbyists are going to have 25 ways to make mediocre music on their phone, and it will be just as hard as it is now to get anybody to pay attention. … So what changes? Not much actually. >>You will still have to get out and play music for a crowd, over and over
Yeah I see it the same way pretty much. The sea of mediocrity will expand but there will always be room for innovators at the top. Same as it's always been but just more volume.
Better then 95% of home recording. Sad
RipNMix is better for splitting stems.
Maybe I'm just an old luddite, but all the session stuff is a complete waste of time IMO. I don't need logic to create absolutely mediocre lounge music for me, I can already do that myself. The fact they didn't add features professionals have asked for forever like plug search, better automation, or an updated file browser is completely criminal. Have you seen the file browser in live? I'm more tempted than ever to switch away from logic if this is the direction they're heading.
We waited 10 years for THIS?
totally agree with you. Toontrack do all the same and a lot better. this is NOT AI. intelligent MIDI maybe. j.
@@DavidJRobinsonThe new Logic AI drums are better than most people think. I was toying around with them and I own almost all then big drum libraries, and you can really get in the ballpark of what you want. You can also replace the host drum samples with GGD or Toontrack libraries and convert the drummer region to midi and edit from there.
@@MaximusWhyman thx, i've been using Logic since Emagic owned it. i'm way past all this. everything in these programs takes too much time. it is quicker to record real players. j.
@@DavidJRobinson always quicker to record pros, that’s why I do it mostly myself. But for demos, before I give it to my drummer, it’s a good tool.
Not a waste of time if you don’t know anybody and cant play shit. Yes you are an old luddite.
I believe you just use what you need…..I like Logic because it works for me. You can use as much or as little of the new stuff as you want. As a person who grew up with reel to reel and a mixer with no plugins it’s all great.
U can create a custom plugin folder in plugin manager (name it something that starts with "A" so that it´s on the top of the plugin folder list above "amps and pedals"). And put all ur most used plugins in that folder. Saves a lot of time :)
i solved creating my patches of instruments and call my_name
Mixed in key captain chords is way better imo. Il stick with Cubase
I dig the captain plugins also, even more than scaler 2. Just about to get started with cubase 13 pro. I haven’t really used it since atari 1040 st. 🎹♥️
What I found astounding is that they haven't updated the GUI of the Multiband Compressor, Filterbank, old synths like ES2 etc. I didn't expect the look of Logic Pro 8 (or earlier?) to live on in 11.
haha yeah, I wonder if they'll ever update it..
@@Steven_Beddall logic 12 in 2025? With true search engines, true drag and drop, new look, better export options, and maybe a few other things. 🎹♥️
What would really be good for me is a reverse midi thing for the keyboards. The ability for it to tell me what I have already played on a track and THEN add a bass player etc...
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I went to the zoo the other day ... they got monkeys and pandas making music now ... type in a few prompts and there is even time for banana breaks and snacks ... by next year it'll be singing goldfish ... all you need is a typing skills ... and your a genius ... users are becoming witnesses to music creation ... not actual creators .. rejoice now ... for tomorrow ... my 2¢
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Write the song first, on an acoustic guitar.
Then you know when something feels exact for you.
It rocks for that.
Chords come from scales.
People hum melodies and bass lines.
your session experiment of session keys and drums felt how i would get down. my person found "midi listen very interesting". and "flex capture of audio" was rare to catch.
It's the first update from Logic that makes me want to sleep. If someone likes that Logic plays all the instruments instead of learning to play, that's fine with me. It is just not interesting for me. I get super bored! Maybe it is time to learn another DAW?
I recently tried Logic (again) but have been a Cubase user for years and years. Logic still feels plastic to me, if you understand what I'm saying. Kinda curious to a top 5 pros and cons between Logic and Cubase from your perspective, TBH. And I know no DAW is perfect.
Thx for watching! Yeah definitely there are some things in Logic which need serious improvement. I was watching a video someone made about Ableton the other day and it honestly made me wonder why I still use Logic at all 🤣Cubase is fantastic overall, my workflow has really improved with it and I love the macro setup functionality. It took a little while to fully grasp it coming from many years as a Logic user, but once you're in it totally makes sense to me.
@@Steven_Beddall I hear what you're saying, and I myself have been trying out Ableton Live too, but there's (IMO) nothing there that Cubase can't do! Even the non-lineair workflow Cubase manages (and better, again IMO). The fact alone that you don't need to switch between workspaces is a big win for Cubase! And, people like yourself, Mendel, Dom and let's not forget Greg are a HUGE help in working with the software! So thanks!
@@DEADLINETV My pleasure! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The true power of AI lies with the source learning. Imagine an AI taught on Joe Sample riffs or Jordan Rudess chops- that would be great
Velocities are repetitive on both bass and keyboards and that makes them sound very mechanical. No dynamics inside the patterns.
Logic’s browser is a nightmare. It's such a pain to look for samples and audition them. I don't know why they didn't fix this yet. Anyway, thanks for the video.
Not being able to search plugins would be an automatic dealbreaker for me. Reaper just does so much right out of the box without the overhead.
You can set up your own favourites plugin folder and organise plugins how you like
Hi Steven
Logic 11's 'Stripper', not unlike other similar tools, won't be be easy to criticize since the stereo master has a vast mashup of effects. Striping (remixing), is like trying to put tooth paste back into the tube. Integrated technology that can strip away the effects is also needed. lol
You can organise your plugins with custom folders, just drag and drop them inside the plug in manager. Saves a lot of time, I have mine divided into about 12 folders - distortion, dynamics, reverb, lofi etc
I'm with you, on the drums..I wish it had ANY, orchestral type sounds..thanks a lot...keep producing SB
I was really hoping this would be a cheatcode, maybe next update.
I would love to see you do a track using Reason and give your thoughts! Much love to you and your family😊
I wish/hoped they’d keep this ‘band in a box’ stuff to GarageBand, that kinda’ feels like a better fit. Also, unless I’m missing something, the session players can’t play time signatures that aren’t divisible by 4 … 3/4 for example
I think it's cool it's there as an option ... but they're really hyping this gimmicky stuff. For a supposed 'Version 11' .. I'm pretty underwhelmed. Wish they had included more plug-ins like that saturation effect .. maybe some more drum kits , some attention to the amp simulators. The new basses are pretty cool and that piano sounds better than what we've had. I really don't care much for the supposed 'A.I' nonsense though. Using drummer has never been something I kept on a final track anyway... just a quick way to keep tempo as a place holder. Some of the fills were usable .. but most of the time not. Easier to just program or play it by hand.
AI updates are Good for kids only
Why do you say that? Do you think you’re cool now? Have you try mixing like a pearl yet?😊
@@justinrivera1603 You on the side of AI
@@NicolaDonchev my question is have you mix like a pro yet and I think you need AI to nothing wrong with that you haven’t mixed like a pro yet so you need the AI😊
@@justinrivera1603 I am pro and AI kill the music at all !!!
It’s cool but I just don’t think I’d ever use these AI tools
I realize that I’m blessed in that keys are my instrument and I won’t have much use for the ai stuff, but I don’t get why folks bash it so much. I won’t use it but I wouldn’t tell anyone else not to, or that it’s the end of musical creativity. I have great love for upcoming producers and I feel they should be nurtured and cherished as part of the future of music. It’s up to us old-heads to help others navigate through the hype, the ads, and the un-constructive negativity. Music tech and tools have led to the progression of music into what it is today. If I may suggest, use them but also use your heart. Humbly, I know a thing or two about 3 & 4. 😊 Recording/releasing records since 1981, group nearing our 50th anniversary, 27 albums, 1 solo album and many songs on other artists. I’ve used a tool or 2 along the way. 🎹♥️
Totally agree with you, thanks for the positive comment!
You have up on that banger pretty quickly 😊
can I write my own melody and the AI play chords around it?
Thanks for this. I have a Digitech Trio Band Creator pedal. I like to play my own guitar track and have the Trio give me a choice of what bass guitar or drums would accompany me. Does LP11 do that?
I have that pedal too. I use it just for backing while I play. Then might get something creative pop in my head. From my experience with Apple drummer, I think this stuff is just a more customisable version of the biab pedal. Like the drummer starts with a basic layout you can select, then tweak, the pedal you can only select the pattern.
Hi Steven! Thanks for your thoughts on this. I‘ll soon check it out! 👍👋
This is ok for rough demos. Sometimes.
What an awesome video! I loved it. Seeing how you used the new Session Player and other new features was great. I don't know if I would try the Session Player, but the best way to learn is by doing it yourself. AI doesn't always give you the results you want. However, the Keyboard Player is pretty cool. As for the search bar, for me It doesn't really matter. I wouldn't say I like to focus on these tiny little things. I look at Logic as a whole. After trying out others like Pro Tools, I found that Logic Pro is the best DAW because it's very user-friendly. You can get a lot out of it if you step away from the stock plugins, which don't give you the best results. I would use the new Logic features if they had the same quality/sound as third-party plugins.
Thanks for watching, it’s actually amazing what you can pull off with the stock sounds and plugins in most DAWs but sometimes takes a little more work to get there
Hi Steven. I'm thinking of adding electronic drums to my setup. What model V-Drums are you using? Do you like them? Great video, thanks:)
Cheers! They’re Roland TD-27, I love them
Hi Steve! Thanks for this overview. There are some nice new features coming with Logic 11.
To me it seems they wanted to be the first big company to have this AI thing in their software. I don‘t know if and how the updates will affect my workflow. I will give it a try soon. Thanks for the video.
the intelligence certainly is Artificial.
Thanks for the video. So from messing about I came to the same conclusions really, it’s not customisable enough to use for me. Especially the bass, sometimes starting on a high octave note, lots of double note repeats etc it just doesn’t sound authentic.
I didn’t realise you could midi the chords in though so thanks for that, I’ve been changing chords within the bottom part and then pasting it to global. I thought it would be confusing for people with no chord or theory knowledge, I expected it to have more of a “song builder” type approach. It kind of reminds me of messing with cakewalk and band in a box when I was a kid in the 90s, too general midi feeling and not enough musical intelligence
Yeah I'd have to agree, over time though we can probably expect it to improve so I'm curious how intuitive the next update will be.
@@Steven_Beddall Yeah we're right at the beginning of something new and fresh, it's exciting! I feel like they could have improved the chord generator and arpeggiator rather than adding the 'AI' so called players! Still the same old "Left Hand Jazz' kind of presets from logic 8 that you can't really build a song with
Within a year we're probably going to have suno type generators and polyphonic melodyne built in as standard as well at the rate it's going! The next few updates will be fun!
You can make your own folders on logic and add your vst’s if that helps
Next best option for sure. I use a lot of different plugins though, some I use sparingly too. When using Cubase the search function makes it infinitely faster and so much less painful
The session drummer was better.
Dont say you wrote this.
I agree with pretty much all the comments on logic 11. Good example of penny wise, but dollar foolish. They added several things nobody asked for, yet none of the things users have asked for for quite some time. They’re lucky this is a free upgrade, or logic would be on the shelf collecting midi cobwebs alongside s1. For me this “free upgrade” = $2600 for a silicon mac, which I don’t need right now unless I wanted to use logic 11. Cubase 13 here I come. I fell in love with logic because it’s fairly easy to get around on. Nowadays, it seems more of a nuisance/hindrance. I will get a mac studio soon because I’m not going back to pc. I just won’t be forced into buying one by logic 11 before I’m ready. 🎹♥️
Yeah I hear you. I was contemplating Mac Studio as well, but wanted to be portable so got a 64GB MacBook M1 Max. Before that I purchased a powerful PC thinking I was going to make the big switch, but running Cubase on the PC was a total nightmare. Now I use both Logic and Cubase on Mac and everything runs smooth.
@@Steven_Beddall That sounds nice. A portable rig is kinda appealing to me, but when I’m on the road I like/need to get as much rest as possible with my age and health issues. I’ve long said, I play for fun and I get paid to travel. Hope you enjoy your MacBook, it sounds like a powerhouse. 🎹♥️
@@JamesLloydKeyboardist Cheers! Yes, health is more important than all else. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
i just want to save my session chords. I'm sure that would come in time. Sending the session keyboard through MIDI out to other instruments and adjusting the settings in real time is fun.
You can save chord progressions you create, but it is a bit of a hack. Just copy the global chord progression to any session player region (or session player loop) and export it as an Apple Loop. When you load the loop in future the region will have your chord progression. If there is no global chord track when you load the loop it will copy it to the global track, but you can copy back and forth between global tracks and region tracks at any time.
I thought he was able to convert the keyboard part into midi, so that effectively accomplishes all you need.
Cool!!!Thanks
Which Roland kit do you have?
TD 27
Great demonstration!
A bit surprised you didn't dig in to all the customisation options and manual rhythm settings available in the session players. They can be directed to be a lot more specific than you presented. Not suggesting they're going to be for everyone but, as a bass player, I can direct them to deliver some much better keyboard playing than I ever could... Really liked the results I could get using some of the pads played through other synths, coupled with modulation etc.
Nice review Steven. I totally agree and wish they would have updated Logics search capabilities! There is a little shortcut for instruments and effects that's handy. If you go into the plug-in manager, then in the "category" window hit "+", create a new folder, I named mine, "Fave instruments" & Fave FX" then drag the instrument/FX plug ins into the folder. Then simply access them in the pull down instrument or audio channel in logic. Hope that made sense :)
My Captain plugins do the keys/drums/bass just as well