Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
I was just going to comment: 400g per tyre would be significant even on a road car, 100g makes more sense but in f1 therms still quite significant imo.
How much for the front and how much for the back? Just because you mouth off with some wack opinions every now and again doesn't mean you shouldn't be factual about it! Silly
@@johnnychimpo7539 That's kinda the point though, it will be impressive given the lopsided deficit on the development performance and driver front because points won't come too fast when they're 5th fastest rn.
Car is same spec to Canada. In Canada, it was a tyre whisperer with tons of rear grip. Now, it shreds through tyres, and lacks the grip that it has before. Apart from falling behind in car development, it is probable that the new tyres might also be a factor.
Aston was also good in qualifying in canada, they're not anymore. Mercedes brought a big upgrade in silverstone and mclaren brought a b-spec car in austria/silverstone. They have just been outdeveloped
@@justinwalpole8956 That is exactly what I said in the last sentence. I also suggested that the tyres are a factor. This is the matter of comparing the performance of Canada AMR23 to Silverstone/Hungary AMR23, not comparing it to McLaren's or Mercedes' package.
Pirelli is a joke. I mean since they are the exclusive tire manufacturer of F1 they are in constant criticism. That's bad publicity. Too bad to be still a worthy publicity if you askme. Every true F1 head will never ever consider to put Pirellis on his/her road car.
Making new tyres costs money. Plus the tyres are made to the specification of the FIA. They can't just make a tyre for 15% more downforce and then the downforce is not there or is lower then predicted which makes them last longer then what the FIA wants. So they stick with the current tyres and adapt. This avoids wasting money on tyres made on a prediction. People have to stop blaming Pirelli on everything, the FIA is the main culprit for wanting a very specific tyre. That's also the reason Bridgestone and Michelin are not in F1. Also the reason we don't have several suppliers, because we would have a tyre war and the tyres would basically last a whole race, like in the past. Which the FIA doesn't want.
I think its less about aerodynamic changes and more about durability of tires. Teams like Mclaren's biggest issues was tire wear, that didn't allow them to push without being concerned about tire life, whereas the strength of teams like Aston Martin at the start of the season was low tire wear, comparable to RedBull. So if the new Pirellis are more durable then that could have helped others with increased tire life.
Yeah I was wondering about this too. McLaren was so certain they would be on the back foot for Hungary. But instead they were exceptionally strong. While there is likely the possibility that Aston took their car away from their strengths, there is no denying that the tire factor must be a key for McLaren to still be at the front when they didn't plan to be.
Mclaren still has its tire wear issues from before. Its just the upgrades made their pace ceiling higher. Notice norris last stint in hungary vs hamitons and the horrendous tire wear is so clear.
So suddenly a car that had good tire wear is now poor? I don't think the change in construction is a detriment to the teams who had tire wear figured out.
This is a valid point. New tires might be better for some or not so good for others. . I don’t like the way you tries to make Alonso sound. I don’t know if they have gone back or just have been overtaken by the other teams. I have no doubt that Aston has been overtaken and can they get back quicker. But this is a new tire and they need to be on top of their game and crack some data. A poor excuse- please don’t start to start this negative attitude towards Alonso. He drives as usual brilliant but the car aren’t as they want it to be
If there were significant issues with the tyres like in 2013 where they were blowing out I could understand but changing the tyres mid season after 1 practice session to test them to me is ludicrous
I think Pirelli is trying to stay on top of things. They know teams are going to bring more upgrades quickly and downforce levels are going to spike. They want to avoid any all out tire failures like what happened in years prior as much as possible.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
Force India, too... after Silverstone (arguably one of their best shots of the season at a big result) they had a run of truly awful weekends, and ended the championship behind McLaren who were nowhere at the beginning of the season
Because the FIA/F1 use every method at their disposal in order to influence the races and do what they think will improve "the show". In their eyes it's an entertainment product 1st and a sporting competition 2nd.
Alonso criticism about the tyres is fair. Changing tyre compounds midway through the season is crazy. Still think Aston's lack of race pace comes from the change of floor. They have made changes that have taken the team backwards or they haven't yet optimized it yet. Hopefully they go better after the summer break.
It comes from Alonsos lack of pace. the elephant in the room: he hasn't had a pole in ten years. he hasn't won a race in TEN years. even whilst driving race winning Ferraris, McLaren's and alpines.
As others have pointed out. Aston's advantage was being easy on their tyres. Ferrari, Mercedes and others ate tyres but seem to have improved. This change to the tyres is speculative, not required for safety. It's been done to just make them last longer and I think it accounts for some of the drop off in performance for Fernando. Yes, car development is playing a part but unless there was a problem with the tyres they should have waited till the end of the season.
Mercedes was always really good on their tyres. The problem they had was firing them up so they could get a decent time on Saturday but they generally raced really well and were much easier on their tyres. AM big problem is they've been completely out developed by everyone else. If it wasn't for RB the development race this season would be fascinating. The rules around the cost cap and development restrictions have worked except for the fact they are probably locking in RB advantage for next season as well
@@benfulford3943 I get your point but It still amounts to the same thing. If you can't switch the tyres on and get the best out of them I that will have a negative impact. Like I said. I don't think it is the only reason for the drop off in AM performance but I do think changing the tyre construction mid season, especially when we have not seen tyre failures, is a bad move. It has a distinct smell of fish emenating from it. I'm all for safety but I think more pitstops would be good. Three or four a race would spice things up somewhat. Make the tyres able to do 15 to 18 laps flat out. Either that or bring back refuelling.
@@Byzmax I think the idea is they change them BEFORE there's an incident on track. How much of a blow back is there on them after they have tyre blowout leading to someone losing a race win? Do you remember how much they got criticised after last time that happened when max tyre went at Azerbaijan 2021?
I think each team should have a choice as to which tyre manufacturer they use. To me F1 is all about the cars being different, therefore I think the same should apply to tyres.
I guess F1 doesn't want the tyre war and the farce of Indianapolis to happen again. Also no tyre manufacturers wanted to invest so much just for the possibility of being inferior than their rival.
@@AhmadAliff mate there are solutions for everything, you quit at every problem show up in your life? the solution is cost cap, thats it. Easy, beautiful and cheap.
F1 teams have tyres and rims and ECU and all the other homologated parts including the 150kg weight for the engine, 4kg fire extinguisher they are at 620KG and now the rest are the Aero and suspension parts
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
4:43 I’d say it’s not so much that the new tires necessitate big setup changes, but rather that their increased durability lessens the dividend paid to teams, like Aston, and drivers, like Alonso, that were previously stronger than average on tire management. The inverse is noticeable with Williams as well, I think, where tire management used to be a weak point for them and now they appear to have taken a step.
There is no reason why a mid season tyre change was needed in the first place. If there was a safety issue then its understandable. But this was done to favor certain teams. Any changes like these should take place on the following year not during a season
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Its not about someone disputing the claim or not. I was mainly talking about the need for a mid season tyer change when there is no safety issue. When there are cost cap restrictions in place this will only be additional costs when the teams designed their 2023 cars primarily with the original tyer structure they were provided with.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
I feel it's more likely that the move to the new facility has hurt AM's development during the season and they just haven't been pushing out substantial upgrades.
@markedone6667 Yes but the OP is suggesting that they haven't tried substantial upgrades when they have changed front wings, sidepods, engine cover, rear wing and the floor.
@@TheAYM91 they're pushing stuff out but when your facilities are halfway in transit between two locations there's a greater chance that something will be missed because they're not able to fully test it.
No, it's not a poor excuse but a fact. Stiffness is very important with these cars. So it's possible they don't work well for AMR. New tires in Silverstone 2021 also made a difference. In that case it helped Merc's performance.
In 2021 new tyres didn't help Mercedes at all. After Silverstone Mercedes just realised they could turn up their engines a bit more and go insane with it. If you want to get into "well doing x thing helped Mercedes", you could also say how the changes to the floor rules in 2021 for "safety reasons" hurt Mercedes, which we all know they were meant to do.
Not really. Mercedes brought big upgrades to Silverstone which finally helped them to understand the car and unlock the pace potential more often. Also it's not a fact. Even the race engineers from Aston Martin and Red Bull disagreed with Alonso's claim.
Since it’s Alonso making these claims, the race deems it a smoke screen and it is just excuses for Alonso. If it were Hamilton who said what Alonso said, the race would narrate this video as “proof” of Hamilton being screwed by the mid season changes. Clowns
The main question I have is why where those tires needed in the first place. The official explanation is that Pirelli underestimated the increase of downforce. For like the 15th time or something? They have given that same reason for years now and continue to fail in predicting the progress the teams make. So it's either true and they don't learn from their mistakes, or something else is at play.
I trust Alonso when he talks about tires changing the order of power between F1 teams. That change gifted him the 2 titles he got in Renault after all. By that I don't deny the fact he is a very good driver.
I am with Alonso, he clearly loved the feel of the car with the original tires and is suffering now. He could see how cars ahead of him were driving their tires and have complete confidence in reeling them in mid stint. It was fascinating to watch him work the beginning of this season. It is sad for him to loose such an obviously intimate man-machine relationship when his dear Pirelli got a stiffy and ran off with Maclaren.
It's a combination of factors. Whilst the order does seem to have shifted towards cars that are harder on their tyres but if that were a huge step Ferrari would have taken a step forward and the gap between Red Bull and AM would have stayed constant or even decreased, that RB19 is extremely gentle on its rubber and has been all year. You'd also see a significant step up in race trim for AM if it were just the tyres and there isn't one, or at least it isn't big. Ultimately the primary driver has to be that Red Bull, Mercedes and especially Mclaren have brought better upgrades than Aston Martin and Ferrari have. (Also, Alonso is a great race driver but his quali performance has always been his weak point which isn't helping. There's a reason he's 7th on the all-time wins list but only 14th for poles)
And because you are Spanish and it’s Alonso you believe what he says. This is likely a deflection tactic to take away from Aston’s lack of development, and ease pressure on the team, which is honestly quite a smart thing to do.
I would look at the teams move into the new facility at Silverstone as the most likely reason for Aston Martin to have declined recently. A change on that scale is always going to impact efficiency until everyone is used to the new way of working. That combined with upgrades on their biggest competitors cars has likely meant a step back. The group is still tight and it wouldn't take much to impact the order.
It is preposterous to change tires in the mid-season just like that. Is not that there was safety issues or anything like that. Maybe Alonso is or is not right, but still, this opens manipulation suspicions.
If Haas has better tyre wear at Spa, then the tyres definitely have affected performance. Good news is, they can think about how to fix that during summer break.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both teams whose cars were great on deg are saying the “more robust” (your words) tires have changed things. Also why the hell are so many people still running push rods? As soon as RB went with pull rod I don’t know why anyone else thought they should question the guy who wrote the book on ground effect cars.
McLaren still had very high tyre deg in Hungary. It has improved, but it still was much worse than Mercedes. They are just a lot faster with the new car they planned for nore than half a year.
Alonso radioed "When is the next tyre tender" after his first timed lap in FP1 at Silverstone. Ferrari, RB & AM are affected by it. In Austria Ferrari were just 20s from P1. RB dominated that race. Aston were faster then Mercedes & Mclaren but on wrong strategy as usual finished P5. Deal with it TheRace... Tyres are behind sudden Mclaren & Mercedes resurgence
I wouldnt say that. of course tyres may a factor of the revival of Merc and Mclaren but you cant forget that Mercedes has made a ton of upgrades even changeing their hole car phylosophy. McLaren has also done a ton of upgrades and Stella made an genius Team Organisation move, by distribute the upgrades to small ingenuer teams, so tat McLaren could bring a lot of Upgrades in small time. I would say Aston Martin is just behind because their are focosing to much on next years car.
@@renatatostada3318 Bro forgot the major Sidepot upgrades in Austria.Just look at some Performance graphics from the past races and you will see that McLaren is upgardeing crazy since Miami "Lol"
@@Alvaro-ht7se Did Mcl completely changed their car ? No. It's an upgraded version on top of their launch car. So they cannot change the characteristics of their car. These 2023 cars are very temp. sensitive on tyres. AM hate colder temp. Mcl & Merc hate hotter temp. RB & Ferrari okay at any temp. But at Hungary 50c hot temp. Mcl & Merc were fast but AM was not. So it's a complete reverse. Also i noticed AM Canada upgrade focused on reducing drag. Which they did. They were as fast as RB at Silverstone, hitting 328kph vs all others 315-320kph. Hungary was a surprise because AM was fastest at Turn 1. Hitting 317kph, whereas the mighty RB only managed 312kph & others were 312-305kph. They did reduce drag but lost downforce in the process. But i still feel it's the tyres because of their ridiculous slow race pace. And that alonso radio confirms my suspicions. Watch FP1 Silverstone for the first 30 mins on f1tv and switch to Alonso & Max onboard. They both were pissed with the tyre change.
Why? Upgrades are a thing, you know. That's literally all what F1 is about. And this year some teams changed their whole concept, like McLaren. They planned their changes since September last year and intentionally gave up the beginn of their season to make those. They also said it from the beginning.
@@78drea wow... this femxplaining was nice 🙄 what I find funny is that merc, beign merc, changed their concept also and they didn't make that big of a leap like mclaren from one race to another and that mclaren's improved performance was conveniently at the same time as the changing of pirelli's compounds.
@@78dreamaclaren literally went from the back of the grid to the front and it doesnt look weird? Cant remember if it happened before. Ever. Mid-season.
@@joriux they went from sixth best car to third. And that doesn't even mean they won't be fourth or something on other tracks. Beside RedBull the order changed quite a lot in every race. What is with Williams and their imrovement? Is it als tyre related? Even if it has a small impact. McLaren didn't find half a second from a tyre change, especially when they already found it before that, in Austria. It might be unusual to find such a leap. But they started on the backfoot compared to last year. They changed a lot of things in the last eight month, incl. Their technical director and the work structure. So, no, I don't see anything weird. I think Aston's last upgrade in Canada might not work so good. But they bring more this weekend, so maybe that will change things again.
why did you ask every body but the driver about the cars they are driving and how the tire have changed the feel, so often techincal side has gotten things wrong in the real world as shown by the last seasons of f1. this was poor quality info.
@@roberthak3695 you obviously have not seen the interviews throughout the packdocks if fernado says the car feels different from the tire who cares about the engineers opinion
We all knew this would happen. When they proved to be so fast early in the year we knew it would eventually drop off. I figured Mercedes would be past them by this point in the season. That's why Lawrence really needs to take a close look at the teams 2nd driver spot... Lance has been terrible this season. Grant it he broke his wrists and probably still doesn't feel 100% because of it. However, if you had any plans to keep 2nd place this year it had to be through early season success and maximizing points. Lance was barely scoring when Alonso was on the podium...
@richardstewart8694 fernando has 139 points, lance has 45. fernando has 6 podiums, lance has 0. lance isn't even close to HALF his teammates points. if lance had a little over just half of what alonso has scored they'd be right up close to merc. he's improved marginally as the season has gone on but it's evident he is weighing them down
I swear the FIA is killing this sport. Consistently experimenting with race and qualifying formats that wasn't a problem in the past, changing tires spec in the middle of the season and the 2026 car spec doesn't look good too.
changing tyre specs was due to safety concerns with how quick the cars are developing. Pirelli was always going to do this. They just did not expect it so soon.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
We all know what happened. Mercedes went down there and said, you are embarrassing us, give us your tech or we'll just give you slower motors. They can slow an engine down just by the on board ecu's now. I was not surprised that Aston martin got slower at all. Fernando was looking great though. Mercedes just had to kill all of that though. Sucks for the Flying Spaniard. Dammit.
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Since my mate took Vettel's failed tyre home from spa as a souvenir from behind a barrier, While prirelli simultaneously claimed to be investigating it back in Italy. Makes me believe nothing Pirelli say
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Whether it's true or not it's a bit unfair given all the teams will have based their car concepts on the specification of tyres they were given last year.
It was highly embarrassing the customer Aston Martin was beating Mercedes. Mercedes now are beating AM. Their upgrades have worked. Aston Martin has not
Is that 400g/tire? Or is it 100g/tire? 400g/tire sounds like a lot.. an extra 1.6kg added to the ride feel.. IMHO I could envisage a top driver sending something was “off”.
One tire supplier only, like any monopoly, always leads to stagnation in results. There should be more tire manufacturers. Bring back Michelin, Bridgestone, and Firestone to compete with Pirelli.
Well it seems that the upgrades Aston Martin have brought have set the car back. It was at the beginning of a season a very draggy and fast in the corners car then they must have tried to make it less draggy and faster in the straits and that was a disaster so now they have to fight with The likes of Williams and Alpine and maybe Alpha Romeo. The car is clearly a lot worse than what it was at the beginning of the year and they have far less understanding of it and I think if they simply reverted back to the configuration that they had the beginning of the year they would have been Faster especially in Hungary wuth its low speed corners. I think maybe it's about time fit'stton to dismiss some of its technical stuff because they obviously hit a wall, which they can't figure how to get over, and they are breaking what was previously good. Alonso was probably trying to refrain from saying how bad in corners the car has become. At the same time, one needs to keep in mind that the entire back of the car is bought from Mercedes, so there is little they can do there, unless they develop their own suspension and gearbox, which is not going to happen quickly, sadly. And where is Lawrence Stroll? Not too long ago he denanded that both his cars finish on the podium (preferably with son ahead). Is papa Stroll not seeing what has become of his team? Or have they given up completely on this year's car? Busy moving to the new factory? Best spend time and money on a completely new rear end with anti-squat and low COG, and make sure you go pull rods with the front suspension for lower COG there too. I truly hope that McLaren and Mercedes will be found guilty of breaching the cost cap for both having developed a B-spec car mid season. Really, this cost cap is proving to be a theoretical and unenforceable restriction. Fernando, you deserve better. Hang in there.
Saying "poor excuses" is a stretch and lacks profesionalism comming from a seious sports media. Every car responds diferently to diferent tyres, driving style also has influence...who knows. The way Merc, Ferrari, McL and AM are so close, 1-2 tenths a lap can mean going from 2nd best to 5th best.
This channel fell off harder than AM! It used to be good content with proper analysis years ago. Now y’all are just regurgitating content while pumping out videos super quick to make more profit. It’s only about money now 😔
@joriux sorry, it’s all about perspective and goals. If you were a billionaire and your goal was to win an F1 championship with your son, what would you do differently than what Lawrence is doing?
Well setup change is not the only factor. What if you have a car whicj brings tires up to temp quickly. If u modify the tires so all teams temp them up easily, then you lose your advantage. I wish a motoracing publication would take this into account, not only "other teams said the setup modif is minimal" Lazy writing
Mike Krack said they had gone in a wrong direction with their concept. It is interesting that Haas and Alfa Romeo were 'out of the gates' fast, last year. Then, they slipped back... There seems to be a correction between a good concept, a well developed launch car and the amount of upgrades you can bring.
The exact thing happened to Mercedes a few years ago, and then your whole gang under your previous job/media company that shall not be named, you all called “correct the construction was changed and seems as hurt Mercedes the most” now the exact claim is done, and it’s bs talk ? Remember at your previous job/media company that shall not be named few years ago when the whole gang called Ferrari seconds ahead of everyone else per lap at the testing in Spain ? I do, ridicoulus isn’t it? Well that’s how serious I take your regurgitated opinions.
So they made the tires more durable even though they were already too durable? And now we got Lando doing 27 laps on Softs on a high deg track? LMAO what a joke.
Well when Aston Martin copied red bulls design they will suffer right along with them then. Develop your car more like Mclaren and maybe you would get back in the fight.
@andrewriley5100 you are making assumptions that are reasonable, but I don’t think are true. If you look at the Strolls history, when they were working together at Prema Lance decimated the field and won the championship going away. Lawrence is a billionaire who can self actualize. He wants to work with Lance and win the championship. Vettel and Alonso aren’t the champions, not because they are bad drivers, but they have a suboptimal car. Stroll has the factory and the staff, but not the wind tunnel, which he will soon have. He’s a billionaire dad that wants to win the championship with his son, not with anybody else really. When you look at it this way, the next two years are everything. All the rest has just been practice. Let’s see what the Strolls can do. It’s too early to tell.
The drop off has been very dramatic for Aston Martin as well as Alpine I think. And what is the world is going on with Alfa Romeo? It’s like they totally disappeared this year. Botas is an amazing driver, yet you never hear his name except for them they say he did not make it out of Q1.
Fernando IS an amazing driver, and maybe development took a back seat while his skill could carry them, but also maybe they truly are really far ahead of everyone else other than RB, and maybe they are only concerned with winning a world championship, and while every other team is developing step by step, maybe aston is making a big brain move and they know where their car will end up, so they've stopped this years development so that they finish just low enough in the championship to be alocated the money they want for R$D/wind tunnel development for next year when they really have a chance to give P1 a run for its money. They have plenty of sponsor money and most importantly knowledgeable team members that are capable and willing to give it their all. And they are clearly developing in a way that favors Alonso. So i have total faith Aston Martin can make the come back most are doubting they can
What is sport? Players in competition against others, team or solo. Motorsport is people and machines. Athletes are monitored and cars are regulated. But when you restrict, control and ban innovation on the mechanical side, in money, tires and wheels aerodynamics, engine type/power/allocation, and fuel meddling, you get the revolving challengers to the dominant position. Bc they are restrained to such a degree re: the car, that the driver can only talk about shortcomings of the application, in the process of playing the game. They have to turn the ICE down, to "manage" longevity in crossing the finish line. Management of it all, people trying to control other people, and parts in this case as well .Bc the controlling bodies, brokers, media and thenmob want the "action" to pay off. But in their micro management of the sport it's all in limp mode. When you take away the hope for change, from the talents of the individuals who make up the teams and sport. Don't blame the drivers, they are plenty capable. Allow the cars and teams to truly be the pinnacle of motorsport, and there'll be better press on the matter.
I think Alonso has a valid point, Mclaren have made a huge jump forward at the same time Aston has dropped backwards. Changing specifications of the tyre mid season is not fair on all teams. Tyres are obvs super important, and feel can change for car to csr, or driver to driver...
Things like tyres should not be allowed to be changed mid season or any other idea FIA has had. There is a budget cap and teams design cars to a certain spec, you can’t then change it during a season. Just the the same as the Mercedes change the ride height rule should not have been allowed. Mercedes could have easily solved their crap design by raising ride height but wouldn’t unless all teams had to. Another Toto/Hamilton cock up, it made Red Bull quicker!
Any costs associated with this change obviously couldn’t have been factored in when the teams were initially allocating their funds either. I along with many other who have posted comments can’t understand a change mid-season without it being driven by a safety issue. I also can’t see how the FIA can impose a cost cap for a certain year to then make changes to a fundamental piece on the car (the part in contact with the track FFS) knowing full well that it would suit some teams and disadvantage others. If your performance is hurt by this change the temptation to throw a couple of quid at the issue must be huge. The fortunate teams could perhaps hide any overspend in their yacht, hyper-car or road car budgets. I’m sure they would never consider such a thing themselves, only I appear to have gained an increasing lack of faith in some of those who participate in this sport and their *lack of morals. *need to win.
Yeah. Where is Alonso's big mouth now that he trundles in 9th place? He used to have an opinion of everything when he was getting consecutive podiums. And he is butt hurt because Hamilton got pole position in Budapest.
wait 400g is not that much? that's already 1.6kg and this is a weight added in a unsprung constant moving/rotating object.. I mean some teams even go to an extent leaving some of the body parts not painted just to save weight
aahh... so those rare occasions where you get the chance to criticise Alonso finally came that too for car's performance which shitty always until alonso himself showed the potential...lol... enjoy until it lasts...
if someone nowadays says "that there is no evidence" it means that they did this intentionally, but you cannot prove that they did this. It´s an admission of guilt. They have been caught in the act. I mean come on. I´m not naive. Why did they change the tyres. The security argument is not plausible, because there was not a single dangerous issue in the season due to the tyres. It´s obvious why they did this. If it has no effect, then change it back and let´s see what will happen.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
But rear tyres are slightly bigger then front tyres, aren't they? That's why per set is more clear.
I was just going to comment: 400g per tyre would be significant even on a road car, 100g makes more sense but in f1 therms still quite significant imo.
We once said if a drivers not blaming something about the cars he’s not happy.
How much for the front and how much for the back? Just because you mouth off with some wack opinions every now and again doesn't mean you shouldn't be factual about it! Silly
@@Tim-944 F1 car would burn that weight in fuel in seconds
Imagine telling someone last year that we would all be disappointed over aston finishing 9th and 10th
At the end of last year they were Fighting P7-8. This is serious disappointment
AM sent from the fastest Mercedes powered team to the second slowest
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@@AZBCDEE and how many races have stroll been on the podium you fanboi
Monaco was probably Alonso's best shot at a win. With Mercedes and McLaren back on the pace, Aston will be lucky to grab a few podiums here and there.
Yeah. If they hold on to P3 in the championship, that will also be impressive.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksimpressive to hold onto a place? No it won’t, and they won’t. They’ll probably be 5th
@@johnnychimpo7539 That's kinda the point though, it will be impressive given the lopsided deficit on the development performance and driver front because points won't come too fast when they're 5th fastest rn.
@@johnnychimpo7539 5th how? At best Mclaren will beat them, but Ferrari aren't getting closer
@@johnnychimpo7539yeah that’s literally the point hahahaha
Car is same spec to Canada. In Canada, it was a tyre whisperer with tons of rear grip. Now, it shreds through tyres, and lacks the grip that it has before. Apart from falling behind in car development, it is probable that the new tyres might also be a factor.
Aston was also good in qualifying in canada, they're not anymore. Mercedes brought a big upgrade in silverstone and mclaren brought a b-spec car in austria/silverstone. They have just been outdeveloped
@@justinwalpole8956 That is exactly what I said in the last sentence. I also suggested that the tyres are a factor. This is the matter of comparing the performance of Canada AMR23 to Silverstone/Hungary AMR23, not comparing it to McLaren's or Mercedes' package.
2:25 pirelli didn’t foresee a 15% increase in downforce??? Did they think F1 engineers were just gonna sit on their hands for four years??
Pirelli is a joke. I mean since they are the exclusive tire manufacturer of F1 they are in constant criticism. That's bad publicity. Too bad to be still a worthy publicity if you askme. Every true F1 head will never ever consider to put Pirellis on his/her road car.
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Making new tyres costs money. Plus the tyres are made to the specification of the FIA. They can't just make a tyre for 15% more downforce and then the downforce is not there or is lower then predicted which makes them last longer then what the FIA wants. So they stick with the current tyres and adapt. This avoids wasting money on tyres made on a prediction.
People have to stop blaming Pirelli on everything, the FIA is the main culprit for wanting a very specific tyre. That's also the reason Bridgestone and Michelin are not in F1. Also the reason we don't have several suppliers, because we would have a tyre war and the tyres would basically last a whole race, like in the past. Which the FIA doesn't want.
@@glitchmaster30Re71r 🙄
@Squilliam-Fancyson yet plenty of car makers do.
Alonso: GP2 Tires 😜
I think its less about aerodynamic changes and more about durability of tires. Teams like Mclaren's biggest issues was tire wear, that didn't allow them to push without being concerned about tire life, whereas the strength of teams like Aston Martin at the start of the season was low tire wear, comparable to RedBull. So if the new Pirellis are more durable then that could have helped others with increased tire life.
also notice how Piastri liked Hard tyres during the last race... total coincidence...
Yeah I was wondering about this too. McLaren was so certain they would be on the back foot for Hungary. But instead they were exceptionally strong. While there is likely the possibility that Aston took their car away from their strengths, there is no denying that the tire factor must be a key for McLaren to still be at the front when they didn't plan to be.
Mclaren still has its tire wear issues from before. Its just the upgrades made their pace ceiling higher. Notice norris last stint in hungary vs hamitons and the horrendous tire wear is so clear.
So suddenly a car that had good tire wear is now poor? I don't think the change in construction is a detriment to the teams who had tire wear figured out.
Aston should prioritise soft & medium tyres imho now, their strategy should step up
This is a valid point. New tires might be better for some or not so good for others. . I don’t like the way you tries to make Alonso sound. I don’t know if they have gone back or just have been overtaken by the other teams. I have no doubt that Aston has been overtaken and can they get back quicker. But this is a new tire and they need to be on top of their game and crack some data. A poor excuse- please don’t start to start this negative attitude towards Alonso. He drives as usual brilliant but the car aren’t as they want it to be
Just brits being brits.
AM themselves say its not the tyres. Its a poor excuse.
Considering his skills as a driver, I'm with him. He could run over a flee and know what sex it was.
If there were significant issues with the tyres like in 2013 where they were blowing out I could understand but changing the tyres mid season after 1 practice session to test them to me is ludicrous
I think Pirelli is trying to stay on top of things. They know teams are going to bring more upgrades quickly and downforce levels are going to spike. They want to avoid any all out tire failures like what happened in years prior as much as possible.
400 grams on each corner is not small
Exactly. It's massive
A driver taking a shit will change his weight by 1-2 kgs
@@highondankium3626, yeah but driver seat is on center. The wheels are all around. It is big shift for weight balance.
@@miroslavdockal9468and that weight is unsprung, rotating mass on the edge of the wheels.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
British bias.
How? Aston Martin is a British team.
Yes, and Fernando is from Sheffield.@@Moray2023
@@amrakunish5238cry more
2013 comes to mind when lotus and Ferrari got screwed too
Definitely. After silverstone 2013
Force India, too... after Silverstone (arguably one of their best shots of the season at a big result) they had a run of truly awful weekends, and ended the championship behind McLaren who were nowhere at the beginning of the season
Lotus was still rapid after the tyre changes and constantly the 2nd fastest team.
How can any "sport" do something like change tire spec in the middle of an active seasaon of competition when you have a single tire supplier?
F1 isn't about racing It's about compliance and rules. In another 10 years all racing will be formula e
Agreed. It's so ridiculous to have a major change via the tyres.
Why pustules sport in quotes? It is as much or more of a sport than anything else
Because the FIA/F1 use every method at their disposal in order to influence the races and do what they think will improve "the show". In their eyes it's an entertainment product 1st and a sporting competition 2nd.
@@e2rqey exactly. Liberty Media is owned by Black Rock. The financial arm of the New World Order
Alonso criticism about the tyres is fair. Changing tyre compounds midway through the season is crazy. Still think Aston's lack of race pace comes from the change of floor. They have made changes that have taken the team backwards or they haven't yet optimized it yet. Hopefully they go better after the summer break.
It comes from Alonsos lack of pace. the elephant in the room: he hasn't had a pole in ten years. he hasn't won a race in TEN years. even whilst driving race winning Ferraris, McLaren's and alpines.
@@03056932Lmao lewlew fanboy detected
@@03056932Race winning? Are you fucking insane?
@@guccipucci69420 where did you manage to pick Lewis out of a comment that only mentioned alonslow? maybe he was already in your head. gotchaaaaa.
@@guccipucci69420lol he didn’t even mention lewis or even merc 😂 i guess rent free in your trash brain
As others have pointed out. Aston's advantage was being easy on their tyres. Ferrari, Mercedes and others ate tyres but seem to have improved. This change to the tyres is speculative, not required for safety. It's been done to just make them last longer and I think it accounts for some of the drop off in performance for Fernando. Yes, car development is playing a part but unless there was a problem with the tyres they should have waited till the end of the season.
Mercedes was always really good on their tyres. The problem they had was firing them up so they could get a decent time on Saturday but they generally raced really well and were much easier on their tyres.
AM big problem is they've been completely out developed by everyone else. If it wasn't for RB the development race this season would be fascinating. The rules around the cost cap and development restrictions have worked except for the fact they are probably locking in RB advantage for next season as well
@@benfulford3943 I get your point but It still amounts to the same thing. If you can't switch the tyres on and get the best out of them I that will have a negative impact.
Like I said. I don't think it is the only reason for the drop off in AM performance but I do think changing the tyre construction mid season, especially when we have not seen tyre failures, is a bad move. It has a distinct smell of fish emenating from it.
I'm all for safety but I think more pitstops would be good. Three or four a race would spice things up somewhat. Make the tyres able to do 15 to 18 laps flat out. Either that or bring back refuelling.
@@Byzmax I think the idea is they change them BEFORE there's an incident on track. How much of a blow back is there on them after they have tyre blowout leading to someone losing a race win? Do you remember how much they got criticised after last time that happened when max tyre went at Azerbaijan 2021?
@@benfulford3943 when you consider the RB blatantly cheated, if the FIA actually sanctioned them - this season would have been epic.
Stronger tires helps teams who are hard on tires.
eating a cheeseburger right now
Goes hard
Is it made out of burgers?
Is it good
"Is it soft, is it juicy?"
Hope it’s a good cheeseburger
Why so cynical abt Fernando? It's tiring
I think each team should have a choice as to which tyre manufacturer they use. To me F1 is all about the cars being different, therefore I think the same should apply to tyres.
I guess F1 doesn't want the tyre war and the farce of Indianapolis to happen again. Also no tyre manufacturers wanted to invest so much just for the possibility of being inferior than their rival.
this was a thing once but Ferrari lost bigly because Bridgestone was beaten by Michelin.
@@AhmadAliff US gp had nothing to do with multiple tire manufacturers but everything to do with keeping data from that circuit only for Bridgestone.
@@AhmadAliff mate there are solutions for everything, you quit at every problem show up in your life? the solution is cost cap, thats it. Easy, beautiful and cheap.
we'd get the tire war again - unless we implemented a cost cap. Guess how well the FIA would handle that....
Tyres were changed just to wipe tears of some teams.
400 gm increase in each tyre means 1.6 kg in total.I thought that is a phenominal increase in terms of f1.
F1 teams have tyres and rims and ECU and all the other homologated parts including the 150kg weight for the engine, 4kg fire extinguisher they are at 620KG and now the rest are the Aero and suspension parts
Agree. The teams haven’t been painting the cars just to save a few hundred grams.
But teams have now reached minimum weight so they can take off some ballast
@@adamn7125 ballast is not an unsprung rotating weight, its not that easy
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
Pirelli should also have a freeze on changes during the year.
4:43 I’d say it’s not so much that the new tires necessitate big setup changes, but rather that their increased durability lessens the dividend paid to teams, like Aston, and drivers, like Alonso, that were previously stronger than average on tire management.
The inverse is noticeable with Williams as well, I think, where tire management used to be a weak point for them and now they appear to have taken a step.
There is no reason why a mid season tyre change was needed in the first place. If there was a safety issue then its understandable. But this was done to favor certain teams. Any changes like these should take place on the following year not during a season
AM have already disputed Alonso’s claims about the tyres
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Its not about someone disputing the claim or not. I was mainly talking about the need for a mid season tyer change when there is no safety issue. When there are cost cap restrictions in place this will only be additional costs when the teams designed their 2023 cars primarily with the original tyer structure they were provided with.
Which teams would that be? Let me guess Mercedes and ?
@@1BadPrix Ferrari for sure. They were really struggling with the tyers early in the season.
@@1BadPrix McLaren and Ferrari obviously
RBR had a huge update in Hungary. So, it is still believable that they were hurt by the tire change, but that update gained back all the lost time.
400g per tyre? that's humongous
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
@@WeAreTheRace aah gotchu
I feel it's more likely that the move to the new facility has hurt AM's development during the season and they just haven't been pushing out substantial upgrades.
They literally upgraded everything on the car from side pods to the underfloor.
@@TheAYM91 There is a stark diffrence between changing and improving ;)
@markedone6667 Yes but the OP is suggesting that they haven't tried substantial upgrades when they have changed front wings, sidepods, engine cover, rear wing and the floor.
@@TheAYM91 they're pushing stuff out but when your facilities are halfway in transit between two locations there's a greater chance that something will be missed because they're not able to fully test it.
they got lucky with the first build and have been outdeveloped by bigger teams
No, it's not a poor excuse but a fact.
Stiffness is very important with these cars.
So it's possible they don't work well for AMR.
New tires in Silverstone 2021 also made a difference. In that case it helped Merc's performance.
In 2021 new tyres didn't help Mercedes at all. After Silverstone Mercedes just realised they could turn up their engines a bit more and go insane with it.
If you want to get into "well doing x thing helped Mercedes", you could also say how the changes to the floor rules in 2021 for "safety reasons" hurt Mercedes, which we all know they were meant to do.
Not really. Mercedes brought big upgrades to Silverstone which finally helped them to understand the car and unlock the pace potential more often.
Also it's not a fact. Even the race engineers from Aston Martin and Red Bull disagreed with Alonso's claim.
I mean tires are such a big differentiator in f1 a change in compound could nerf aston and jump mclaren. Look at 2012 red bull
Wish Alonso had got pole and won at Monaco, feels like we’re a long way away from a win now
Since it’s Alonso making these claims, the race deems it a smoke screen and it is just excuses for Alonso. If it were Hamilton who said what Alonso said, the race would narrate this video as “proof” of Hamilton being screwed by the mid season changes. Clowns
Why would AM publicly contradict Alonso’s claims though? Surely they wouldn’t want to upset him
You're the clown. The race made a video saying why Hamiltons proposed rule changes wouldn't work.
The main question I have is why where those tires needed in the first place. The official explanation is that Pirelli underestimated the increase of downforce. For like the 15th time or something? They have given that same reason for years now and continue to fail in predicting the progress the teams make. So it's either true and they don't learn from their mistakes, or something else is at play.
“Red Bull have been hit by these tires” idk abt that one
I trust Alonso when he talks about tires changing the order of power between F1 teams. That change gifted him the 2 titles he got in Renault after all. By that I don't deny the fact he is a very good driver.
I am with Alonso, he clearly loved the feel of the car with the original tires and is suffering now. He could see how cars ahead of him were driving their tires and have complete confidence in reeling them in mid stint. It was fascinating to watch him work the beginning of this season. It is sad for him to loose such an obviously intimate man-machine relationship when his dear Pirelli got a stiffy and ran off with Maclaren.
Who was behind these new rules....Toto?
A lot of tyre experts in the comments. As usual with this sport
It's a combination of factors. Whilst the order does seem to have shifted towards cars that are harder on their tyres but if that were a huge step Ferrari would have taken a step forward and the gap between Red Bull and AM would have stayed constant or even decreased, that RB19 is extremely gentle on its rubber and has been all year. You'd also see a significant step up in race trim for AM if it were just the tyres and there isn't one, or at least it isn't big. Ultimately the primary driver has to be that Red Bull, Mercedes and especially Mclaren have brought better upgrades than Aston Martin and Ferrari have. (Also, Alonso is a great race driver but his quali performance has always been his weak point which isn't helping. There's a reason he's 7th on the all-time wins list but only 14th for poles)
If a british driver said it i bet the thumbnail would be “absolutely spot on claim innit”
Lolll "innit"
What is with the constant “British bias” comments I don’t get it
And because you are Spanish and it’s Alonso you believe what he says. This is likely a deflection tactic to take away from Aston’s lack of development, and ease pressure on the team, which is honestly quite a smart thing to do.
@@j.b.o6829 They're not allowed to critic or review any comments without having British bias waved over their heads because they're British.
It's usually the opposite for the comments
I would look at the teams move into the new facility at Silverstone as the most likely reason for Aston Martin to have declined recently. A change on that scale is always going to impact efficiency until everyone is used to the new way of working. That combined with upgrades on their biggest competitors cars has likely meant a step back. The group is still tight and it wouldn't take much to impact the order.
IMO the tyre switch half way through the season was to benefit Mercedes 🤮🤬🤦♂️
Alonso is just bored that’s why the team not doing well. He will come back into form after summer I bet
It is preposterous to change tires in the mid-season just like that. Is not that there was safety issues or anything like that. Maybe Alonso is or is not right, but still, this opens manipulation suspicions.
If Haas has better tyre wear at Spa, then the tyres definitely have affected performance. Good news is, they can think about how to fix that during summer break.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both teams whose cars were great on deg are saying the “more robust” (your words) tires have changed things.
Also why the hell are so many people still running push rods? As soon as RB went with pull rod I don’t know why anyone else thought they should question the guy who wrote the book on ground effect cars.
Looking at that graph at the start, stroll is still as random as ever, it’s just alonso’s results that have dipped
Alonso is 100% right. The new tires get eaten up by the Aston. They're great for McLaren and Merc, though.
McLaren still had very high tyre deg in Hungary. It has improved, but it still was much worse than Mercedes. They are just a lot faster with the new car they planned for nore than half a year.
Ando here come Alonso to burn The team. Classic ALO
Alonso radioed "When is the next tyre tender" after his first timed lap in FP1 at Silverstone.
Ferrari, RB & AM are affected by it.
In Austria Ferrari were just 20s from P1. RB dominated that race. Aston were faster then Mercedes & Mclaren but on wrong strategy as usual finished P5.
Deal with it TheRace... Tyres are behind sudden Mclaren & Mercedes resurgence
I wouldnt say that. of course tyres may a factor of the revival of Merc and Mclaren but you cant forget that Mercedes has made a ton of upgrades even changeing their hole car phylosophy. McLaren has also done a ton of upgrades and Stella made an genius Team Organisation move, by distribute the upgrades to small ingenuer teams, so tat McLaren could bring a lot of Upgrades in small time. I would say Aston Martin is just behind because their are focosing to much on next years car.
Yeah mate, McClaren didn't introduce major upgrades or anything... Lol
@@renatatostada3318 Bro forgot the major Sidepot upgrades in Austria.Just look at some Performance graphics from the past races and you will see that McLaren is upgardeing crazy since Miami "Lol"
@@Alvaro-ht7sesomeone doesn't understand sarcasm...
@@Alvaro-ht7se Did Mcl completely changed their car ? No. It's an upgraded version on top of their launch car. So they cannot change the characteristics of their car.
These 2023 cars are very temp. sensitive on tyres.
AM hate colder temp.
Mcl & Merc hate hotter temp.
RB & Ferrari okay at any temp.
But at Hungary 50c hot temp. Mcl & Merc were fast but AM was not.
So it's a complete reverse.
Also i noticed AM Canada upgrade focused on reducing drag. Which they did. They were as fast as RB at Silverstone, hitting 328kph vs all others 315-320kph.
Hungary was a surprise because AM was fastest at Turn 1. Hitting 317kph, whereas the mighty RB only managed 312kph & others were 312-305kph.
They did reduce drag but lost downforce in the process.
But i still feel it's the tyres because of their ridiculous slow race pace. And that alonso radio confirms my suspicions. Watch FP1 Silverstone for the first 30 mins on f1tv and switch to Alonso & Max onboard. They both were pissed with the tyre change.
engineers aske drivers if the tires are ok, not the fatman from The Race.
Though, it is suspicious that some teams have improved out of nowhere ever since Silverstone.
Why? Upgrades are a thing, you know. That's literally all what F1 is about.
And this year some teams changed their whole concept, like McLaren. They planned their changes since September last year and intentionally gave up the beginn of their season to make those. They also said it from the beginning.
@@78drea wow... this femxplaining was nice 🙄 what I find funny is that merc, beign merc, changed their concept also and they didn't make that big of a leap like mclaren from one race to another and that mclaren's improved performance was conveniently at the same time as the changing of pirelli's compounds.
@@78dreamaclaren literally went from the back of the grid to the front and it doesnt look weird? Cant remember if it happened before. Ever. Mid-season.
@@23juan42 So, why were they already much improved in Austria, where it were still the old tyres?
@@joriux they went from sixth best car to third. And that doesn't even mean they won't be fourth or something on other tracks.
Beside RedBull the order changed quite a lot in every race.
What is with Williams and their imrovement? Is it als tyre related?
Even if it has a small impact.
McLaren didn't find half a second from a tyre change, especially when they already found it before that, in Austria.
It might be unusual to find such a leap. But they started on the backfoot compared to last year.
They changed a lot of things in the last eight month, incl. Their technical director and the work structure.
So, no, I don't see anything weird.
I think Aston's last upgrade in Canada might not work so good.
But they bring more this weekend, so maybe that will change things again.
why did you ask every body but the driver about the cars they are driving and how the tire have changed the feel, so often techincal side has gotten things wrong in the real world as shown by the last seasons of f1. this was poor quality info.
engineers aske drivers if the tires are ok, not the fatman from The Race.
@@roberthak3695 you obviously have not seen the interviews throughout the packdocks if fernado says the car feels different from the tire who cares about the engineers opinion
Alonso is 100% 👍
Pirellis are trash I’ll never put them on my car
7:05 Ferrari have made improvements..?
I just realised their team principal is called Mike Krack💀💀😂😂😂😂😂
Alonso: Has anyone seen Mike Crack?
Engineer: We are checking
We all knew this would happen. When they proved to be so fast early in the year we knew it would eventually drop off. I figured Mercedes would be past them by this point in the season. That's why Lawrence really needs to take a close look at the teams 2nd driver spot... Lance has been terrible this season. Grant it he broke his wrists and probably still doesn't feel 100% because of it. However, if you had any plans to keep 2nd place this year it had to be through early season success and maximizing points. Lance was barely scoring when Alonso was on the podium...
Just quit moaning about Lance and watch the race. Give him credit that he has done a lot better this year. Or go watch NASCAR.
@richardstewart8694 fernando has 139 points, lance has 45. fernando has 6 podiums, lance has 0. lance isn't even close to HALF his teammates points. if lance had a little over just half of what alonso has scored they'd be right up close to merc. he's improved marginally as the season has gone on but it's evident he is weighing them down
@@richardstewart8694credit for what?😂 for being nowhere near his teammate?
sorry- are you actually saying per the graphic at 7:00 that the Mercedes was the fastest car this weekend?
its an average between both cars... but they are wrong, not first but maybe second best car.
Access journalism with a British bias, never change. 🙄
You have access to journalism with Spanish bias, if you prefer. lol
I swear the FIA is killing this sport. Consistently experimenting with race and qualifying formats that wasn't a problem in the past, changing tires spec in the middle of the season and the 2026 car spec doesn't look good too.
changing tyre specs was due to safety concerns with how quick the cars are developing. Pirelli was always going to do this. They just did not expect it so soon.
@@icebear3828 if no one else is complaining... Then maybe it's a skill issue 👀🤣
@@icebear3828 so out of the 10 teams aka 20 cars only 1 of them has a major issue.. didn't hear stroll complain...
@@phodge9985 stroll isn't good enough to know the difference
Ed Hall is extremely thin.
Whenever they can, The Race and Autosport will hate on Alonso
Edd straw and mark Hughes seem like they're alonso fanboys.
They praise him in the podcast all the time wtf are you on about
If 1.6 kg isn't significantly influencing the cars, why do the liveries have to be so limited? I like the exposed carbon look, but just curious.
Correction: In this video we refer to the weight of the tyres increasing by 400g per tyre. It should have been 400g per set of tyres - so 100g per tyre.
@@WeAreTheRace I appreciate the response, I was wondering how they added 400 to each one 😂. Per set makes sense, thanks!
We all know what happened. Mercedes went down there and said, you are embarrassing us, give us your tech or we'll just give you slower motors. They can slow an engine down just by the on board ecu's now. I was not surprised that Aston martin got slower at all. Fernando was looking great though. Mercedes just had to kill all of that though. Sucks for the Flying Spaniard. Dammit.
You mean the guy who got out qualified by Ocon 10 times last season is stalling out and making excuses?
I’d love to see Max could do in that car
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Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look, but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown
The dream is gone
And I have become
Comfortably numb
Cringe
What's the point of this?
Since my mate took Vettel's failed tyre home from spa as a souvenir from behind a barrier, While prirelli simultaneously claimed to be investigating it back in Italy. Makes me believe nothing Pirelli say
That takes the cake!
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Whether it's true or not it's a bit unfair given all the teams will have based their car concepts on the specification of tyres they were given last year.
Never going to see "Hamilton's suspicious claim about Mercedes sudden decline" any time from The Race? LOL. So biased!
It was highly embarrassing the customer Aston Martin was beating Mercedes. Mercedes now are beating AM. Their upgrades have worked. Aston Martin has not
Is that 400g/tire? Or is it 100g/tire? 400g/tire sounds like a lot.. an extra 1.6kg added to the ride feel.. IMHO I could envisage a top driver sending something was “off”.
Dan fallows copied newey's homework without understanding it.
One tire supplier only, like any monopoly, always leads to stagnation in results. There should be more tire manufacturers. Bring back Michelin, Bridgestone, and Firestone to compete with Pirelli.
Well it seems that the upgrades Aston Martin have brought have set the car back. It was at the beginning of a season a very draggy and fast in the corners car then they must have tried to make it less draggy and faster in the straits and that was a disaster so now they have to fight with The likes of Williams and Alpine and maybe Alpha Romeo. The car is clearly a lot worse than what it was at the beginning of the year and they have far less understanding of it and I think if they simply reverted back to the configuration that they had the beginning of the year they would have been Faster especially in Hungary wuth its low speed corners. I think maybe it's about time fit'stton to dismiss some of its technical stuff because they obviously hit a wall, which they can't figure how to get over, and they are breaking what was previously good.
Alonso was probably trying to refrain from saying how bad in corners the car has become.
At the same time, one needs to keep in mind that the entire back of the car is bought from Mercedes, so there is little they can do there, unless they develop their own suspension and gearbox, which is not going to happen quickly, sadly.
And where is Lawrence Stroll? Not too long ago he denanded that both his cars finish on the podium (preferably with son ahead). Is papa Stroll not seeing what has become of his team?
Or have they given up completely on this year's car? Busy moving to the new factory? Best spend time and money on a completely new rear end with anti-squat and low COG, and make sure you go pull rods with the front suspension for lower COG there too.
I truly hope that McLaren and Mercedes will be found guilty of breaching the cost cap for both having developed a B-spec car mid season.
Really, this cost cap is proving to be a theoretical and unenforceable restriction.
Fernando, you deserve better. Hang in there.
Saying "poor excuses" is a stretch and lacks profesionalism comming from a seious sports media. Every car responds diferently to diferent tyres, driving style also has influence...who knows. The way Merc, Ferrari, McL and AM are so close, 1-2 tenths a lap can mean going from 2nd best to 5th best.
Alonso doesn't perform because Stoll papa asked not to. Lance doesn't perform because he cannot. Period.
This channel fell off harder than AM! It used to be good content with proper analysis years ago. Now y’all are just regurgitating content while pumping out videos super quick to make more profit. It’s only about money now 😔
@joriux sorry, it’s all about perspective and goals. If you were a billionaire and your goal was to win an F1 championship with your son, what would you do differently than what Lawrence is doing?
I just wish Michelin would come back. I hate pirreli I won't even buy them to fit my road cars
Don’t blame him.
Well setup change is not the only factor. What if you have a car whicj brings tires up to temp quickly. If u modify the tires so all teams temp them up easily, then you lose your advantage.
I wish a motoracing publication would take this into account, not only "other teams said the setup modif is minimal"
Lazy writing
Mike Krack said they had gone in a wrong direction with their concept. It is interesting that Haas and Alfa Romeo were 'out of the gates' fast, last year. Then, they slipped back... There seems to be a correction between a good concept, a well developed launch car and the amount of upgrades you can bring.
The exact thing happened to Mercedes a few years ago, and then your whole gang under your previous job/media company that shall not be named, you all called “correct the construction was changed and seems as hurt Mercedes the most” now the exact claim is done, and it’s bs talk ?
Remember at your previous job/media company that shall not be named few years ago when the whole gang called Ferrari seconds ahead of everyone else per lap at the testing in Spain ?
I do, ridicoulus isn’t it? Well that’s how serious I take your regurgitated opinions.
So they made the tires more durable even though they were already too durable? And now we got Lando doing 27 laps on Softs on a high deg track? LMAO what a joke.
Well when Aston Martin copied red bulls design they will suffer right along with them then. Develop your car more like Mclaren and maybe you would get back in the fight.
@andrewriley5100 you are making assumptions that are reasonable, but I don’t think are true. If you look at the Strolls history, when they were working together at Prema Lance decimated the field and won the championship going away. Lawrence is a billionaire who can self actualize. He wants to work with Lance and win the championship. Vettel and Alonso aren’t the champions, not because they are bad drivers, but they have a suboptimal car. Stroll has the factory and the staff, but not the wind tunnel, which he will soon have. He’s a billionaire dad that wants to win the championship with his son, not with anybody else really. When you look at it this way, the next two years are everything. All the rest has just been practice. Let’s see what the Strolls can do. It’s too early to tell.
All else fails. Always blame the rubber. Lol It happens in all forms of racing. In the end, it's just another issue. 😊
The drop off has been very dramatic for Aston Martin as well as Alpine I think. And what is the world is going on with Alfa Romeo? It’s like they totally disappeared this year. Botas is an amazing driver, yet you never hear his name except for them they say he did not make it out of Q1.
Fernando IS an amazing driver, and maybe development took a back seat while his skill could carry them, but also maybe they truly are really far ahead of everyone else other than RB, and maybe they are only concerned with winning a world championship, and while every other team is developing step by step, maybe aston is making a big brain move and they know where their car will end up, so they've stopped this years development so that they finish just low enough in the championship to be alocated the money they want for R$D/wind tunnel development for next year when they really have a chance to give P1 a run for its money. They have plenty of sponsor money and most importantly knowledgeable team members that are capable and willing to give it their all. And they are clearly developing in a way that favors Alonso. So i have total faith Aston Martin can make the come back most are doubting they can
What is sport? Players in competition against others, team or solo. Motorsport is people and machines. Athletes are monitored and cars are regulated. But when you restrict, control and ban innovation on the mechanical side, in money, tires and wheels aerodynamics, engine type/power/allocation, and fuel meddling, you get the revolving challengers to the dominant position. Bc they are restrained to such a degree re: the car, that the driver can only talk about shortcomings of the application, in the process of playing the game. They have to turn the ICE down, to "manage" longevity in crossing the finish line. Management of it all, people trying to control other people, and parts in this case as well .Bc the controlling bodies, brokers, media and thenmob want the "action" to pay off. But in their micro management of the sport it's all in limp mode. When you take away the hope for change, from the talents of the individuals who make up the teams and sport. Don't blame the drivers, they are plenty capable. Allow the cars and teams to truly be the pinnacle of motorsport, and there'll be better press on the matter.
I think Alonso has a valid point, Mclaren have made a huge jump forward at the same time Aston has dropped backwards. Changing specifications of the tyre mid season is not fair on all teams. Tyres are obvs super important, and feel can change for car to csr, or driver to driver...
Things like tyres should not be allowed to be changed mid season or any other idea FIA has had.
There is a budget cap and teams design cars to a certain spec, you can’t then change it during a season. Just the the same as the Mercedes change the ride height rule should not have been allowed. Mercedes could have easily solved their crap design by raising ride height but wouldn’t unless all teams had to. Another Toto/Hamilton cock up, it made Red Bull quicker!
Mercedes refuse to buy tyres for their road cars, tyre supplier changes compound. Ain't first time happend 😂
Any costs associated with this change obviously couldn’t have been factored in when the teams were initially allocating their funds either. I along with many other who have posted comments can’t understand a change mid-season without it being driven by a safety issue.
I also can’t see how the FIA can impose a cost cap for a certain year to then make changes to a fundamental piece on the car (the part in contact with the track FFS) knowing full well that it would suit some teams and disadvantage others.
If your performance is hurt by this change the temptation to throw a couple of quid at the issue must be huge. The fortunate teams could perhaps hide any overspend in their yacht, hyper-car or road car budgets.
I’m sure they would never consider such a thing themselves, only I appear to have gained an increasing lack of faith in some of those who participate in this sport and their *lack of morals.
*need to win.
Yeah. Where is Alonso's big mouth now that he trundles in 9th place? He used to have an opinion of everything when he was getting consecutive podiums.
And he is butt hurt because Hamilton got pole position in Budapest.
How McLaren could outdevelop AM when they renting ex-Toyota wind tunnel in Cologne only in the fall of the year they could utilise their own.
wait 400g is not that much? that's already 1.6kg and this is a weight added in a unsprung constant moving/rotating object.. I mean some teams even go to an extent leaving some of the body parts not painted just to save weight
aahh... so those rare occasions where you get the chance to criticise Alonso finally came that too for car's performance which shitty always until alonso himself showed the potential...lol... enjoy until it lasts...
if someone nowadays says "that there is no evidence" it means that they did this intentionally, but you cannot prove that they did this. It´s an admission of guilt. They have been caught in the act. I mean come on. I´m not naive. Why did they change the tyres. The security argument is not plausible, because there was not a single dangerous issue in the season due to the tyres. It´s obvious why they did this.
If it has no effect, then change it back and let´s see what will happen.