Analyzing the Crash Damage on my BMW R1200GS Adventure (2017)
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- Опубликовано: 9 окт 2018
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Glad you were not hurt. I must say that all the protective equipment you added to the bike must not have been much help if a slow low-side slide totaled the bike.
I definitely need to squash this one in the bud. The 'total loss" means the cost to repair the bike was higher than 66.67% of the value. Every scratch on the bike had to be replaced including 2 tiny scratches on the fuel tank ($2500), a scratch on the rear wheel ($1500), a scratch on the swing arm ($1500) a dent in the muffler, ($1700). The protective bits I added enabled me to drive the bike 130 total miles. The only things that I was going to replace were the shifter lever, brake lever and luggage racks. I figured with the dented muffler, I would just have insurance take care of it. They put a piece of green tape on everything that has a surface scratch and the total equaled over $14,000 USD. The bike was not a total loss because the protective bits failed. The protective bits allowed the bike to continue working. The bike was a total loss because insurance requires all scratches be replaced and the bike leave in show-room quality including a full detailing to clean the bike up. If I had never involved insurance, I'd be out $2,000 total in aftermarket parts (non-OEM) and still be riding the bike today thanks to the crash bars, cylinder head guards and sliders.
My buddy experienced a similar thing when he crashed his Ducati Hypermotard. The insurance company insisted on replacing everything that had even the slightest damage. The worst example was a slightly bent mounting tab on the frame that we could have fixed with a pair of pliers. The insurance company insisted on replacing the entire frame. That went on and on until the bike was considered a “total”.
@@AdamChandler86 well im not american but simple scratches wont kill u, u can always wrap it, since it runs no. major damages, now insursnce take ur bike they sell ut they ship it to lebanon and here we fix it cheap lol
Wait....what? $2500 to fix “2 tiny scratches”? And $1700 to fix a dent in the muffler? You can REPLACE the muffler for about $400. I would seriously question your insurance guy’s opinion here. Just sayin.
@@ktmpasser I am wondering why insurances companies do this? Do you have any idea?I live in Australia and I am not sure here they will reply so well and fix everything.
Adam, I hope you learn from this. Approaching that left hander you were too far to the left, consequently the corner got tight because of your line, then tightened of it’s own accord, causing you to lean further. There was no vanishing point for you to judge the correct speed, etc. Much kudos to you for sharing this experience. Safe riding, my friend!
I sort of get what you are saying but I don't necessarily agree. You want to cut the corner to lessen the curve by being at least far left, near the center, you have run out room to complete the arc of your line. I don't think it was a picking the wrong line problem. I think it was trying to go around a corner on pavement using TKC 80 too fast, too much of a lean angle for those tires, plain and simple. Those are not road corner carving tires. Thats the lesson here I think, moreso. Its this notion that these bikes can be used in the dirt, and outfitting them with off road tires, when most of the time, your doing twisties on high quality smooth ashphalt, most of the time. All this crash bar, crash bar that, is just pure non sense. Try not crashing people. Its better. The amount of energy and time put into preparing a bike "to crash" should be spent on learning how not to crash. Its a science. I TKC, for sets now, never even came close to losing on pavement, not even once. Because I do not lean on those tires, they are knobbies, you need a road tire, with more rubber on the road. I think that trumps the too far left line argument.
THAT'S A TOTAL LOSS??? I'll GLADLY buy it right now.
Did he say that was totaled?
Happy no injury and REALLY appreciate all of the pre- / crash- / and post-crash information. This is the very bike I have and I am right now in the process of shopping for my first set of replacement tires at 7K miles. My GSA came with Anakee IIIs and I have been displeased with the horrendous howling from the front tire at freeway speeds and now pretty serious vibration as the tires are nearing the end of their useful life. I see that you have the TKC-80s. I have been considering the TKC-70s and like more knobby tires in lieu of more street-oriented tires like Tourance, PR4s, etc. I read the below comments and have seen some viewers wondering if your tires were new and thus slippery. I subsequently watched your earlier video and I think in it you said the tires had 1.3K or so miles on them at that point. So, unless you had subsequently replace them, these tires were NOT brand new. Too bad there wasn't a shot of the crash from the rear. However, doing a frame-by-frame replay it LOOKS like perhaps the FRONT BRAKE had been applied. Is that possible? I see an index finger on it at 0:20 seconds. Your Slo-Mo presentation makes it hard to gauge the entry speed, but it looks like the pavement was pretty good: Clean, dry, with tenacious-looking surface. The apex seems perhaps a bit early. So -- any idea what happened? I find it hard to blame the tires. They should have been adequate to the task. Early apex, severe lean angle, ?cold tires?, anxiety, front brake all strike me as possible explanations.
WOW! That protective gear you were wearing really paid off man. Glad you are okay! Weird how you lost the back end like that. The back end of my GS will get squirrely like that when I am running on a worn out back tire, but your tires look like they are in great shape. Good luck on the repairs and keep the shiny side up Brother!
Thanks for sharing this. Helpful in figuring out what protection equipment to install on my GSA.
Glad it was helpful, Marc.
I’m happy that you are ok, I’ve just had an accident with my bike a f800 gs adventure crash into a car , that bike was totaled, thankfully I had the helit airbag vest so nothing happened to me, I bought an r1200gs and happy to be able to ride again, we can learn from every crash thanks for sharing, safe rides
I’m happy to hear you’re okay. I too am looking into a vest for future rides.
Glad you're okay!
Crashbar and engine case protector is a must have.
It is good that you were not hurt. I find it astonishing that that bike was not repaired. Unless there was something else that you missed in your analysis, I didn't see anything that couldn't be easily repaired. That includes the foot peg bracket. If it was my bike I might leave a few of the crash protection pieces on the bike just to give it some patina. Good luck.
That seems like mostly cosmetic damage, so I'm amazed the insurance company got to such a high number. I lost my 2013 GS due to a collision with a car that sheared off the front triple clamp and moved the motor back. The insurance company said $9,500 and totaled it. A guy bought it at salvage, put in no more than $3,000, and is riding around happily in it. So don't discard the idea of fixing it and keeping it. Or, take the money and get the R1250GS. Truly a surprising amount of damage for such a low speed little crash, but that's the state of vehicle manufacturing today. God forbid you hit anything with your car, watch the repairs skyrocket as everything crumples. Sorry you lost your bike for such a small crash. Thanks for sharing.
In my several years of riding on the track, I observe overcast skies and cool pavement. When you add that to 50/50 tires with huge gaps between the treads (minimal contact patch), its no wonder that a low side occurred with that lean angle. Its a lesson I hope to learn from and not duplicate.
Skill as well but yes, it was below 40 degrees, early in the morning, in the mountains on dirt bike tires.
The protection did its job . Glad you came off ok
What is just as important is WHY. Your line and speed where th factors that got you to that lean angle . me thinks Glad to see you get up. Good teaching video..
What about all those gizmos, ABSs, ETC, ESA, BBQ...etc?
BTW isnt BMW GS more of the tharmac, gravel bike...and peeling corners with those tires....thats f...up.
Thanks for sharing. Glad you are OK. Too bad you had the double whammy of left side and right side. Do you think it was the tires? It didn't appear to be excessively fast..
Glad you're OK now. Try checking out RJH motorcycle instructor. He's an advanced trainer in the UK does some great work on enter/ exit speeds and vanishing point for corner assessment. I'm a relatively experienced motorcyclist and still reference some of his videos as reminders just remember everything is back to front because across the pond you all drive on the wrong side of the road😄
Might want to rethink your tire choice, go with a Dunlop Elite or Sportsmax. Knobby tires are for off-road to dig in, street tires dont dig in on asphalt so you need to maximize contact patch with road.
Have to agree with you about tyre choice, The line he took and the constant line adjustment all contributed to this one. I find I'm on road more than off and i haven't gone too aggressive cos i want to be able to tip into the corners. Anyway thanks for posting video was interesting to see this. All the best.
Hi Adam, glad you are okay, I just think you expected too much from the tires in that corner, how do you find out how much a tire can lean in a corner, " when you fall over it was too much" your rear end started sliding out and down you go.
cheers man
Glad the bike put itself between you and the Guardrail. But also going around like this with nobbie tires, is searching for trouble. But you Played a bunch of jollies there, it really ended up in the best way! Hope you fix before the season ends......... Ah you are a GS driver, you don't have seasons!! XD
Hi Adam
I'm in the UK and have recently bought a new 1200GS (not the Adventure model). Thanks for posting this and the previous vid and I'm pleased to hear you are okay.
I'd be very interested to know why you think you went down? As far as I can see the bike should have been able to take that bend in its stride at the speed you appear to be going.
Would you have maintained traction if you had been running standard street tires rather than knobbies???
Sad to see but like many say too low and slow on tyres that look more orientated for off road. Would be interesting to hear your post incident analysis...
Michelin Anakee Wild 50/50 tires... they look surprisingly good but reviews say it’s like road riding on bb’s. I’m taking note - don’t lean on dirt-friendly tires. Still, looks like a great setup for real fun!
Admittedly, I'm joining this conversation late. That said, the tire is in great shape, but it's a knobby, not a street tire and therefore can't be expected to hug the road, corner the road or otherwise take tight corners like a street tire. Isn't that why it failed?
This is what I tell people. 45 degree morning, cold roads, damp, full off road knobbies and a fully leaned over 650 pound adventure bike. I've done a lot of training & track days since this and I still stand by the fact that I was pushing these tires way too hard.
Nice to see you were walking about straight away. The engine and other crash bars seem to stop the bike going closer to the road which seems to give the rider more space to stop being crushed against road surface. And the insurance bill was ?😳😳😳
I'm curious how was the bike damaged on the right side when the slide was on the left side? Did it hit the guardrail on the right side?
BTW that was not the "ProShifter" on the right side of the bike, that is the rear brake master cylinder.
Nice to know you are fine mate. Did the cardan protector suffer any damage? I mean the slider is damaged but the bigger one it is worth to buy it? the cardan suffered any damage? Best
Is that a line of oil on the road just as the rear tyre lets go. Or maybe spilled diesel?
The head guards made a believer outa me. I'm thinking you lucked out, Adam.
The R1250 GSA is looking nice?!?!
Was about to mention best to look forward to that 1250GS myself. Though I'd suggest forget offroad beyond short trips to the campsite and fit Metz Roadtecs or similar in future.
I don’t get that the lower crash bar allow the cylinder head cover scathed. Isn’t it supposed to keep it from being crushed or scratched?
Watching your approach to the bend... did you slightly change your line to avoid the broken road surface ?
Adam, sorry to have something like this happen, I followed along when you were putting all th farkle on this one and actually bought a lot of the same things you did to add to my 2017 GSA. I'm glad you are ok. Let us know if you start to part out the bike I would be intrested in a lot of your things. How about those clearwater lights, I got dibs I got dibs. Hey just get another GSA and ride on brother!
You say the bike was 'totalled' would it not be more cost effective to just replace a few things and live with the scratched paint?
What happened? Which wheel lost traction? How was your throttle management going through the corner? Did you roll OFF the throttle?
Glad you're ok, but really supprised how poorly the GS faired for a very low speed off.
What brand of tires did you mount?
I'm changing my dual sport tires,,,, potentially to adventure tires,,,, next year.
Glad you´re ok! ;)
Allot of new roads do seem to be built with corners that tighten up quite dramatically in the UK. It looks the same here. The rule that I try to follow nowadays is slow in, fast out and stay on the outside of the corner until you can see the exit, not a false apex. You already had a good lean before the bend on the first arrow. It looks like there was plenty of opportunity to pick up the bike a little and brake as the final crash was not really fast. Hanging of the inside of the bike also helps allot in these scary moments. In the end, the only bikers who don't crash are the ones who leave their bikes in the shed.
Had much the same on my VStrom, touched down doing less than 20 mph. Insurance write off. Bike was a year old
Kinda (camera placement may be part of it) looks like your bike was leaning ahead of you. As if your body wasn't shifted to the left of the bike. Camera angle?
Glad your ok. But yea to much lean and slightly to fast for the pin turn severely under estimated the turn.
Glad you are OK. Looks like all the protective equipment did their job. Maybe if you do a new video with a run down of the parts you use would be helpful for future GSers, like myself. Frankly, I see the bike in very good condition, and would recommend that you should keep it. Thats real patina :)
This may be helpful? Video: ruclips.net/video/r3IWZmaUWFA/видео.html Blog List: adamchandler.me/blog/2018/04/24/my-bike-every-modification-and-farkle-on-my-r1200gs-adventure/
so, i'm trying to figure out why you fell..... any input or guess
I see a lot of people saying in the comments "what use is the protection if the bike was written off" none of the aftermarket protection is marketed to save your bike from being a total loss... its there to keep you going. without those upper crash bars you would've been laying in a pool of oil as the engine got ripped apart and a 70 mile tow bill home is sure a lot more expensive then the crash bars are....or... what if you were halfway across the country... thatd be an expensive recovery and flight home.
I put guards on my bikes as well for the purpose of trying to keep me going in the event of a crash or drop
Crash bars are pretty damn expensive.
Claim the insurance money, claim the "wreck". Engine running?Frame straight?Fix it yourself... Dont worry about the cosmetics, keep the bike as a offroad touring machine. You gonna fall off again, especially if you go offroad, and then you dont have to worry about dents and scratches.
i agree who cares if the bike not in mint condition its an adventure bike need to be dripped scratched and get muddy even mud can scratch the fairing or at least make the plastic color fade
Exactly. Don't have to worry about scratching the bike on any adventures now lol. Now you can run with just liability
Yeah the problem here IMO Is the expense you’ll undertake to rehabilitate the bike to a salvage title, and the fact that you dinged your insurance record. I always own my bikes free and clear for this very reason. Insurance is very cheap when you just carry liability and never make a claim. Saving up money and buying one of the gently used bikes out there for cash doesn’t just save you money on finance costs on the note and implicit depreciation of new vs. used pricing. It also saves you future insurance payments due to reduced coverage and foregone claims. IMO the smart thing to do here would have been to get the major damage fixed privately, accept the cosmetic damage and never make a claim. Insurance is always going to total the bike and then take the money right back off you in premiums.
We are all arm chair QBs here. I agree with you if you truly use this bike for what it is meant for it will be on it's side many more times. Battle scars add character and stories. Fix the safety issues and functional issues then ride on. I would not be afraid to ride this bike. Won't look so pristine at Starbucks.
@@byzantineruins I know this is an old post, but i think that is terrible advice. Insurance is running me like ~500/yr to cover my 13k motorcycle with full coverage. If my bike gets crashed or stolen the insurance company picks up the tab. It would take me ~26 years to pay for 1 motorcycle based on my yearly rate.
While we're not talking about an absolutely insane amount of money either way, the economics of not having full coverage on a motorcycle is insane, unless we're talking a cheap track bike or something.
I was getting upset for you when you were talking about bills for damaged frame. Dude, you could of almost finished your tour on that. Virtually no damage, most of that was damage to the protectors you wisely put in place. If it were me i'd probably fix the shifter, back brake and license plate and ride on. The cosmetic stuff can be replaced over time when spare cash laying around!
Adam, first and foremost, glad to see that you came out of this okay. I would like to offer an opinion of the crash itself here. Just my opinion and observation. Anything I say is not meant to be critical of you in any way. I watched and listened to your crash probably a dozen times. For whatever reason, it appears that your approach angle and curve arc for that particular corner was off. In a racing terminology, you drove too deep into the corner then tried to square it off as it's referred to. Meaning midway through the corner you had to put more turning input into the bike. In a car it would be more turning of the steering wheel and on a bike it would be more lean. If you listen to the video, to me it looks and sounds like the TKC80's were maintaining traction right up to the point that your crash bars made contact with the road. Once the crash guards make contact they lift the front wheel wheel and obviously take all traction away at that point. All I am saying is referring to others that mention speed and type of tires, speed was not a direct factor and I really don't think it was due to tire tread pattern. To me it looks and sounds like because of the late corner arc, you reached the bikes lean angle limitations and the crash guards made contact with the road causing the front tire to totally lose any traction it was holding up to that point. It looks like a bang-bang play in baseball. Maybe the tires lost all traction at the very same time the crash guards made contact with the road. You would know best. You were there and felt what was going on in that instant. Just my $.02. Either way, glad you came out unscathed and that you had insurance to take care of the loss.
J M: So in effect you are saying that the crash bars caused the crash! I don't know whether you are right or not, could be because you can hear something grounding just before the bike goes down. If so, that's a pretty convincing argument against having crash bars.
An excellent analysis and explanation. I would also add that the scene was set in the first second of this video. The rider is positioned incorrectly for the corner. Then mid way into the bend the rider realises it's quite a bit sharper than he imagined (note the deviation arrows) so he tries to correct his position a little. At that point his fate is sealed as the rider is now struggling to get the machine around, whilst simultaneously slowing down, and then you hear the crash bars scraping the road, which is the reason why the bike went from under him. If the rider had positioned his machine closer to the solid white line, it would have given him a better line of sight, and a wider curve to lean the bike into. As it was his position contributed to the fall. Under those circumstances (incorrect position) it is better to "go for it" and lean the bike hard over whilst keeping the power on. He would have come through it no problems. The tyres played no part in this misshap, despite their nobbly tread. It was a dry road, and all modern tyres have a high hysteresis - the tread is designed to absorb the energy of deformation internally, thus remaining in contact with the road. Well done to J M for outlining the reason for this accident.
I've crashed exactly that way. The crash bars touched down well before I was at my intended angle of lean. I basically rolled the bike off it's wheels.
From watching other videos as well as this one, the rider commonly enters a turn and corrects the angle while in the turn causing a bit of wobble. With less sharp turns you can get away with it, not so in this one. Lord knows I have gotten lucky many times myself. With the addition of the new tires that have not been broken in adequately also added to the riders misfortune. It is really nice to record your riding to be able to critique and improve your riding skills. This is something I'd also like to do.
Yes, all fine with your first sentence, although such actions - "...corrects the angle while in the turn causing a bit of a wobble..." is a fundamental mistake by the rider! If he had kept more to the solid white line, giving him a wider arc and hence the ability to get round that bend smoothly, non of us would be here debating this. Sorry to say but this was rider error on three key points. Blaming the new tyres is not, in my opinion, relevant. As I mentioned earlier all modern tyres have a high hysteresis - even from new. In the UK, 90% of M/C accidents are caused by human error and I've had a fair few myself - due entirely to my own stupidity!
Don't take this the wrong way but what were you thinking giving it that much lean on those tyres? That low side was inevitable mate. Glad you're ok though and no lasting damage - protection did the job. I guess a folding brake and gear lever are next on the farkle list?
StallyMan Even with Street tyres I will not lean as much... 😬
He was only in third, doing around 70km/h. Hardly pushing it . . knobbies or not! It was a pretty weird crash!
That's what I was thinking too. He really had that bike heeled over on those knobbies. And new ones at that. And with that water tower fuel tank, those poor little contact patches were doing yeoman's work. I was surprised how hard he could push it on those things before they let go.
Sucks that such a minor lowside destroyed the bike. Even with all those crash bars. And it's all trivial stuff. Someone's going to get a hell of a bike with a salvage title.
That was the message I came on to write - not surprisingly someone else had the same thoughts - knobblies look great and make us think we are off to Mongolia- you need to get there on more appropriate tyres in the first instance - all that said I have a GSA and pleased that should something bad happen that the protection appears to protect man and bike
i agree with you totally, glad rider is ok! the other stuff around the bike is all reparable and i do not think for a moment that the bike is scrap...what i think of the crash is that there are more factors for the fall, it never is only one reason (bad /cold tyres,/leaning angle etc)...The leaning angle itself was not that bad except the velocity was poor (Adam said 25mph) and having those tyres on made the crash not avoidable.. what we learn from Adam (ty for putting this up) is that we will never know when or where we will crash so we need to gear up. If there is one rider there that rides flawless and takes every curve right please show him to me as it will be like meeting a f unicorn.
Had similar with one month old v strom
Knobbies!!! Wrong tires for twisties. An accident easily avoided. Glad you are ok!
D Vog I don’t agree. I ride a TKC80 up front and Karoo3 on rear of my R1200GSA LC. Zero issues with cornering - wet, dry or loaded.
Those small mole grips have a million uses !
Sadley, part of the reason our insurance is soooooo.... expensive is because facial damage like this is determined as a "write-off". Really guys, there is not much wrong with this bike, and realistically if you werent paying such a high insurance premium , youd probably just repair and restore the bike to its original conditon through repair, not replacement and keep on riding?
Ive crashed mine heaps of times, im only insured for balance of third party, fire and theft, no accident damage, and I tell you mine is sweet, I rebuild everytime I see fit, according to damage, im happy as Larry!
From what I can see you always slit on the left side what's with all the damage on the right side
Never good to see a rider go down but on the good side you did walk away from it.
Just goes to show that all the rider aids like traction control and ABS will not completely save you in certain circumstances.
Ride safe man, that is not a dig at you, just wishing you luck in the future.
Not enough rubber and to much gravity. No rider Aids will save you from that.
Glad your OK, but what were you thinking banking so low with those tyres 😂
I wanted to go fast out of the corner. It didn’t work.
@@AdamChandler86 I think it would of been a better day for your GSA had you chosen more suitable road rubber.
Yes but I ride primarily off-road so I'm on knobbies most often.
What was the pattern material walking up the header? Haven’t seen that before.
Just a header guard. It looks cool enough but I haven't ran it in a while. Just keeps rocks from pitting the stainless.
Sorry mate. All the best.
I am thinking it is the tires wrong for condition. But that is my guess.
How fast were you going when you low slided? This seems like a tragical amount of stuff that got damaged from a low slide. I can’t imagine what the damage would be from a offroad crash LOL. My Tenere 700 has maybe 50 crashes till now and nothing ever broke or bent, except im on my 2nd set of crash bars.
I’ve crashed my GS bikes dozens of times off road. Dirt is far more forgivable than a steel barrier
I was horrified when I saw your first vid. I have been on RTs for the last 6 years riding in excess of 80,000 miles. I regularly pushed the RT to the tyre edge due to its brilliant handling...however I have just swapped to a GSA triple black for a change so when I saw how easy it fell over at such low speed and lack of lean angle I was genuinely interested in the how the hell it happened.... then I saw those tyres..... I presume they were the culprit...are they standard fitment in the US or were you doing a lot of off-roading??. They look useless for road use.....Genuinely glad your ok and thanks for posting such an honest couple of vids...
These tires are sold by BMW if you ask for "off road" and they're not just DOT legal, they are full radial tubeless tires marketed as go-anywhere with a really good speed rating. If I was hanging off the bike and leaning less, it probably would have gone better. The whole thing happened so fast.
@@AdamChandler86 it certainly happened quick...looked like you had no chance of catching it ...glad I have the standard UK road tyres.... the GSA is great but after the RTs I am having to get used to a more wayward handling bike...if is a lot of fun though... ride safe...
Would you put those tires on a R1?
Cysix completely agree with you,we need to hang off the bike
Total loss??? $1,000 in parts and a couple weekends in the garage and you’re back on the road! Unless having a GSA that looks like it just came off the showroom floor is that important to ya! BTW, very glad you’re okay. Having been through serious injuries from a moto wreck, that could’ve been ugly...good on ya for following ATGATT!
Did you analyze how the low-side even happened?
cold morning, full knobby tires and leaned all of the way over on a decreasing apex turn up hill.
Is that not all sacrificial equipment for a larger crash if the bike is still a write off I wouldn't bother with it next time
Wrong set of tires for sharp cornering
That’ll buff out
Its okay. .. you can still enjoy the dirt and the city.
Ouch! And not even that catastrophic of a crash. Makes me a little nervous now. Well good luck with it all. Well maybe just the excuse to get the 1250 with TFT. :-)
1250 is insane, I finish built and PDI'ed 4 this week, It goes like a sports bike in an adventure form factor, it's awesome, Even the cams look well built like they will last.
not sure how this means the bike is totaled. just fix the small stuff and SEND IT. its an ADVENTURE BIKE dude, you went on an adventure into a guard rail. if your'e not crashing, your'e not going fast enough! (lol jk)
You basically have mostly off road tires but you're riding like you have street tires...not surprised you went down. It's an adventure bike not a crotch rocket lol be safe!
Adam get rid of those tires man. I have the same on my recently purchased r1200GS and they totally suck on road. They drive me nuts actually. Only good for off road !!
YEP. never buying them again.
@@AdamChandler86 Thanks for the video's Adam - very useful / interesting for me - keep it up
I've watched the video several times and still don't understand the damage you sustained on the right side. At risk of sounding like a Monday morning quarterback, have you thought about what caused your crash? Your entry point on that curve started way inside, forcing you to take an inside to outside path, and the late adjustment in pulling the bike into a tighter radius. Some other comments about the knobbies, but with a better line, they should have managed to help you stay upright.
Hello there Adam, I am not really smart but I seem to remember that back in the days you could not use full off road tires on an off road vehicle(car)/Jeep in New England! Jeep brands vehicles could not be delivered/sold to the dealers with off road threads! Does this apply to motorcycles? I.e., can you ride on the open road with knobbies! Glad you are okay and keep on riding...safe. So I guess the 1250 will be in your garage soon 0:))
Anakee Wild and TKC80 are tires that ship on the GS from the factory. 100% legal anywhere. I was running the wilds.
Great to hear. I was a bit concerned that for some reason insurance company(ies) might refuse the claim when riding off road tires on regular roads like they did back then on 4X4! Great videos, vlogs, reviews, travels, -----Can't wait to see the 1250 in your garage O:))))
Tck80's are a 50/50 tyres so just as much for on the road as off of it.
100% legal but still not a good tyre for road use.
Patrick Cooper j
How were you able to take it back home without a gear shift lever? You had it towed?
Vice grips on the shift lever. It worked and I rode it 150 miles home.
i wouldnt een have reported that to the insurance company ,,, most of it would straighten ,,, bit of satin black rattle tin , and keep going
the design on the upper crash bar on these bikes are not so good..the holder for the upper crash bar bends inwards causing the airbox to crack and the front panel holder which is made from aluminium ..even a small crash like yours can cause it..
good job by all the protective gear! The bike seems virtually unscathed and perfectly driveable. The only thing that would worry me is the right peg mount - is that really welded to the frame? If so, that's a stupid (probably cost cutting) thing by BMW. Those two lugs sticking out are the first thing that gets bent when the weight of the bike lands on the peg. I've just gone out to look at my Honda and not only do the lugs seem a lot more massive but they're also part of a sub assembly that is fastened to the lower frame by three massive Allen bolts. I would absolutely assume that that's the same or similar for a GS, a welded construction would be a major design flaw.
Anyway, depending on that latter case, I would say your damage is in the sub US$1000 range. Replace any bent aftermarket parts, make sure the muffler doesn't touch anything vital and enjoy a bike that as a story.
looking at the vid again, I can see that peg mounting sub assembly is probably also screwed on, I can see the two lower bolts (right behind the peg joint itself and behind the brake lever), there will certainly be one behind the plastic cap on top.
I would have kept the bike its not hurt bad at all and its got a ton of pimp kit on it
I came here for the expert analysis of the crash in the comments
Watching this at first I didn't understand why you low sided. I have a K1600GT, and that lean angle was no problem at all for my bike. The audio portion of the video tells me you were'nt even scrapping the foot peg at that angle. I looked for a spill on the roadway, not the case either so what caused this low side. Later in the video it became clear it was the off road tires that caused this low side, actually you riding them like road tires is more the culprit. You did a nice job staying with the bike, and glad you're not hurt, the bike doesn't seem totally to me, but BMW parts are crazy expensive.
Gonna pin your comment. Not that you're the first person who didn't blame it on rider error (thanks) but because now almost 2 years removed, the tires are where I place the blame. They actually tried to kill me a few times before this because I rode them like I did my TKC80s which are grippy as hell on anything but wear faster than anything. These tires are not very grippy and kind of squirrelly and they bit me.
@@AdamChandler86 Glad you're ok, and with street tires nothing at all would have happened except a great ride
Your tyres did it, you can see in the video, not designed for extreme lean
Did you really want a 2018 THAT bad? ;-) Sorry to see this. Like others, I don;t think I would have leaned the bike over that hard on semi-knobbies either. Heck, rarely throw my street tyre GS over that hard. For that I have a Roadster!
Are you going to continue to ride, or take early retirement?
If you had road tyres or even the 90% road 10% off road OE fit', you wouldn't have skidded. Off road tyres are not for tarmac as you have found out the hard way.
So, did the insurance company offer you a 'buy back' price for the bike?! Sounds like you already made up your mind on getting a new machine, however you could legally buy it back from the insurance company and sell it with a salvage title (probably not profitable) but it would help a poor chap like me get their dream machine! Seriously though, glad to see you're OK and the gear did it's job. Don't let the haters argue that point - it frustrates me reading some of the comments on here. I have an 05 12GS and I've 'over farkled' it but I don't have full coverage on it, no lien and thus if I break it, I fix it. Same gear that saved your bike has also saved mine a few times. AltRider Uppers, lowers, various controls guards, black dog skid plate, MAMO valve cover protection, MAMO ADVance handguards, Jesse challengers (luckily have not met the ground yet - knock on wood) I made the mistake of totaling everything up in an excel sheet as well...Kinda want to delete the file...Cheers to ya getting back on two wheels and learning from mistakes. Shit happens...Thanks for sharing!
It's an adventure bike. It's suppose to have dents and scratches. Keep it ride till the engine will not run.
Why video, detail and post? You are making an insurance claim right? Don't give them any clues. Too late for that. Curious,what is your experience level and what kind of bike have you owned prior?
I don't mean to be critical, but either get a street bike with street tires or a dirt bike for off road riding. The compromise is never good for either type of riding. The adventure bike is a relatively new phenomenen . Didn't exist when I was your age.
The cylinder protected your leg
Shouldn't be more than 6 or 8k to fix.
nothing wrong with the bike ! its a bloody adventure tourer so why do they have to look all prestine and perfect , good time to turn it into a survival adventure bike which would also make it original . ; ] anyway stay safe all , best wishes from uk
i do that much damage to my AT every summer. Buy better parts, rip harder trails, drop bike daily. Why buy one of these if you need it to be perfect?
You had all the protective gear possible for the bike and rider except for the most important part....the tires.
"Adventure" tires are a compromise. You are riding on the street with tires that are mediocre for the purpose at best. You cannot argue that when you needed grip you had none. Each contact patch for your giant machine is the size of the palm of your hand. Think about it. If you ride on the street you need good street tires.
A dual sport bike is ok for off road and ok for the street. OK is not acceptable.
Yeah if you want to ride like you're on a R1 get tires like they fit to a R1.
splodge 57 A skilled rider can take even marginal tires to the edge of adhesion and then manage what traction is there. Those Contis are great and predictable when “ broken in”. They were just brand new thus more slippery. Pay attention to speed limit signs before corners: his entry speed, angle of attack, and arc were improper. It was
Now that I see you were riding with "knobbies", it's no wonder you slid out. Been there done that, but riding a dirt bike on pavement getting to the dirt.
Unless the frame is bent there’s no way this bike is totaled. The rear subframe should be bolted on,not welded. BMW saving a few pennies costs riders a ton.
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You expected too much of the off-road tyres. Unless you're going off-road, a lot, I'd suggest some more road oriented tyres, although Michelin Anakees are so bloody noisy anyway. If like 90+% of GS riders you never go off-road, get Sport Touring road tyres. You seem to take corners in a series of jerky turns? And it looks like you weren't countersteering, you appeared to be turning the bars left when the front folded; you may have got away with it had you used the correct technique and pushed the bars to the right, but those tyres are pretty sh*t on the road and may have let go anyway.
a wash and a polish a new gear changer and a go with a rubber mallet and it would be fine i wouldnt of even gone through the insurance
Replace Frame that was cracked - $10,000
Replace two footpegs - $400
Replace Shifter - $200
Replace one crash bar - $400
Replace One cylinder head cover - $105
Replace one hand guard - $75
Replace a luggage rack bent and cracked - $390
Replace Suit. - $1500
Replace Boots - $350
Replace Helmet - $600
Sure. easy. C'mon man. don't comment on this like it's a wash and reset.
Must impt that rider stays safe. Shit happens. Watch those knobby tyres on road though....
Did you wind up having frame damage?
Kind of. The left foot peg bent which is technically a part of the frame. It had a hairline crack in the foot peg weld and insurance totaled it out.
Adam Chandler I had a minor accident and I have always been worried about frame damage. However the bike does not vibrate at speed.
Here's a link to a photo of the peg after the crash. Hard to believe that's frame damage but it is - i.imgur.com/jN0imv4.jpeg If it was a KLR, shop would have just welded it and sent the guy on his way. I regret involving insurance in the matter.
Adam Chandler I had a lot of damage replaced both forks after bike was backed up over. Bike runs fine but I can swear that when I look at the guages they look sorta tilted to the right versus the bars. Took it to a big BMW dealer and they loosened all of the forks and readjusted. I hope if anything was amiss they would have mentioned it. They then test drive it and said it was fine. But it’s my own paranoia. Next tine I will total the bike and buy a new one.
How did you hurt the side you didn't land on
Slid into a guard rail.
@@AdamChandler86 dang ! I was wounderin but yeah that makes sence ! Glad your OK ! Were you able to get the bike fixed ?
Sadly no. The guard rail collision cracked the frame. That little hair line crack in the peg. If I had not involved insurance, I could have welded it but didn't. So they totaled it out.
@@AdamChandler86 I'm glad that your OK and it was a beautiful machine so it sucks bad that they totaled it. Are you still riding if so what bike if not what will you get ?
I just got my first bike. Its a tiger 800xc and I am enjoying it but the BMW is tempting . it seems like the BMWs are very technical like there is a lot of little things that could go wrong. Have you found them to be reliable ? Thank you for the video and the responses ! Ride safe Adventurer !
The Tiger is a great bike! No need to upgrade for a while, bigger or smaller it's a good mid point with plenty of power on and off road. hard to say between the two. I do my own maintenance so for me, BMWs cost no more than any other bike but if something big breaks, it's big money. I just replaced this bike with the same model. I like the GS Boxer motor so I got another one!
I mentioned a few things in your other videos about this crash, but here's a thought I should have added: Aren't the protective accessories for this exact situation? And you get to show off battle scars? If one is going to replace their whole bike over such seemingly small stuff (I've damaged my bike much more than what's shown in this video and been fine with it), then why spend the money on the protective stuff? You might as well have had NOTHING and the bike would still be totaled - so what was the point of the guards/protectors? To me, that exterior stuff MAY be replaced in a wreck (like the frame sliders), but crash bars and sliders and some scratches are hardly worth an insurance claim. I'm really not trying to be critical or a jerk, but I'm failing to see where the real damage is! Anyone that really rides their bike (especially in the dirt) would be fine with ALL this damage and barely even think about it. None of this is critical damage. What am I missing? Even bent pegs aren't worth trying to fix unless they're cracked - and then it's just a weld. Aren't these bikes supposed to be beaten up? Who wants to be a super-clean Starbucks rider?
The bike was replaced due to frame damage. The only thing not protected was the footpegs and when the bike slid into a guard rail, the foot peg mount bent on the metal and snapped a clip. That clip is the bike’s primary frame. No matter what else was broken, as soon as they saw that, it was written off as a loss. The protective bits are why I got home. I slide sideways on the crash bars and the hand guards took all of the impact on the left side. If no guard rail was there, I’d still be riding the bike.
Thanks for letting me know! I didn't pick that up in your overview of the damage on the bike. Like others commented, it seemed like such a low impact crash (I know it always looks smoother on camera than on asphalt!)... I appreciated your videos and watched all of them through the end - it's a very important topic. I've just been thinking about when I would make a claim for my 'dirt' riding, or for damage I'm used to doing (I've torn up quite a few bikes and have always considered that normal). Your videos were great - thanks for not taking offense at my questions.
@@AdamChandler86 I have not purchased any additional protection for my new 1250 GS other than the factory engine guard option. I question if all the additional add-ons options will have good ROI statistically, so I figure I'm good with lass. Can you really say your added protection items allowed you to ride home at least? Perhaps you still could have ridden home, but with a few more scratches and gashes in some metal parts.