It was brought to my attention the valve adjustment can be completed without any special tools. There are is a good tutorial on how to do it a R1200RT. Unfortunately, when I did my research I missed this and found several places that referred to a BMW specific tool.
@@jalexandr55 the GS platform has many variations. I agree they everywhere. Each with its own associated ownership costs. The G310GS of course will be less expensive to own than the new R1250GS. Depending how you ride it the costs will greatly vary. I was trying inform riders out there planning to ride it aggressively that it will have large associated cost. No different than any big adventure bike, but I don't have experience on other brands, yet.. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I gotcha. I have recently seen these videos as well. The guy I'm thinking of buying from has a technician come service his at his shop. So he will get me in contact with him to keep things going so no need for long drives to a dealer. I'm also looking at a 2020 triumph tiger 1200. A top heavy bike doesn't bother me since I'm coming off of a zx 14r
I have 112,000 miles on my GSA. I've ridden in any environment you can imagine. And I absolutely smash it off road. I've crashed it hard once, and got hit by a car another time. The bike is parked outside in the weather, I don't have a garage. I do all my own maintenance in the driveway. I'm still on original shocks, water pump and clutch. My maintenance costs have been minimal. I run Anake 3s for tires, you'd be surprised how far they'll get you off road. I run Rotella T6 for oil, you can get a gallon of it at Wallmart for $25. I haven't adjusted my valves in over 75,000 miles. Don't care, runs fine. The only part that failed was a drive shaft at 76,000 miles. If I crashed this bike, I would immediately get another one without even thinking.
What year are you riding? I prefer to do proper maintenance. Many have suggested using Rotel but it's not meant for wet clutches and motorcycle transmissions. It's great if it works but it's not formulated for motorcycles. Non-ESA suspensions seem to last a bit longer. Not sure what year of bike you have, but I am personally aware of several watercooled GSs that had leaky shocks. Glad your bike has ran so well for you.
I would do the same Ilya, maintenance on these bikes is easy to do if you have the interest and patience to get the job done. For the price the dealer charges you could save yourself huge money if you do it yourself. I have a 1100 GS, it's bulletproof and I do almost all repairs on it myself.
@@ilyafilru yeah I have never had a valve out of spec on my R bikes.. I no have an s1000xr now. We will see how that goes. I'm not a rev bommber though.
I have a lot of respect for you Matt for being able to speak openly about the issues about 1250GS....a lot of owners get possessed once they buy one and say only (best in the world...best in the world...best in the world...)...you are providing an authentic perspective of a true adventurer who is going out to explore instead of sitting in a starbucks bragging about how shinny is the bike
I have a 2010 GS with 80,000 miles and it’s been very inexpensive to maintain. The valves are easy to adjust and everything thing else is a snap. This bike has been rock solid although I did upgrade to Ohlins suspension and I replaced a leaking fuel fitting. The only time it’s been in the shop was for the tank recalls. My bike was a demo and I paid $14,000 for it. The biggest expense is the accessories but that’s true with any bike. I have a RUclips channel also, I’ll do a full review next month.
Thank you for this candid review of ownership cost. I have ridden this and many similar bikes. My V-strom650 cost me less than $5k with 1,349 miles on it . $1500 in farkles/armor and 25,000 miles on/off road later, no issues. Home oil change is less than $20, I've done all fluid changes and brakes myself without issue. I ride with a friend on a 1200GSA who is understandably concerned about devaluing it by riding offroad. I believe he's had 3 warranty repairs in about a year of ownership. I wouldn't trade straight across if I had to keep it. BMW is a better bike, but less reliable, 100 pounds heavier, more complicated and waaay more expensive. Not enough better to justify the the cost imo. I can truly afford either, but I'm pragmatic and seek value over status.
I love my V Strom 1000!! great bike, cheap oil, change my own brakes....which i tend to stay off of - using the engine to slow down.....And easy to fix the chain...Oh, btw, I found it in Newport Beach, CA, 6000 miles on her, 2999.00...on Ebay...what a deal!! lol never ever buy new....Retail is for suckers...
I ride my gs because I enjoy riding it. I don’t ride it for status. I don’t ride dirt and gravel roads in the middle of nowhere to try and show it off. No one is out there. As far as riding it off road of course it’s not a dual sport and you are going to rack up repair costs quick if you treat it like one. It’s a adv touring bike and if you stay in the lane of what it was made for it’s a fabulous bike. I have smashed it into trees and laid it over more times than I can count. It’s not a fairy princess that faints at the first sign of danger but it’s not a kLR either.
@Branion Woody I'm glad you found what best works for you, it's a great bike for sure! Since I wrote that earlier reply I've put about 24,000 miles on my new/used SuperTenere ES. Under $10,000, cruise control, throttle and tc modes, electronic suspension, shaft drive. It's a great bike.... for me.
Best advice I was told: buy what you can afford. Know that any toy will cost you money. All motorcycles will cost $$$. Don't buy new. Let the first owner or two do all the upgrades because there plenty of people who spend the bucks upfront only to lose out when they think they need the next new thing.
That's good advice. It is hard to find a bike that does everything, and is easy to grow with. When the type of riding changes it is not always easy to adapt. I got caught up in "legendary" reliability. It is no different from any other bike. Things break.
@@advmatt Legendary reliability - and what is the combine switch made of? It's the same as on street BMW bikes, made of sh.t - photos.app.goo.gl/aq445mNMJLy9YmcS6 mine broke far away from home, I was brutal and finally just connected wires - ruclips.net/video/mSDBwKclgpI/видео.html - now, when I spent quite a money on rear shock recently, I'm not happy to spend next $$ for new switch, so I made very ugly repairement... which so far works :) ruclips.net/video/Tyz6cSGLO8U/видео.html
Mechanics that ride should do more reviews like these, its been 4 days researching for realistic and informative reviews. Thanks Matt, one of the best reviews Ive seen.
As they say, if you can’t buy it twice, you can’t afford it... and yes always buy second hand and do ALL the maintenance yourself, no dealer will work on your bike the way you would! Oh, and don’t get your parts from the BMW dealer... go straight to the supplier (SKF, Maher etc...)
...and join the local BMW club. Everyone is in the same boat and you can buy or swap kit and spares as well as get advice or even hook up with people who regularly do roadside and repairs at home. There's a wealth of knowledge and ready hands to assist.
Absolutely with you on that, just finished the major service on the 1200 GSA I’ve got and it’s been done plus of course the drive shaft splines which the dealerships don’t look at. So much for maintenance free drive line.. valve clearance check and adjust was easy enough to do.
Matt, you touched on it later in the video but I wanted to highlight a few things. After reading the comments to the post I think many people are taking the R1200GS off their list when they shouldn't. My advice is: Know your use profile for any vehicle. The use profile of the vehicle is very important to selecting and maintaining a vehicle properly. For serious off-road use ANY heavyweight motorcycle will go through tires and other parts such as shocks, bearings, etc. It is simply the amount of weight you are carrying around that causes more tire wear as well as general wear and tear. The joy of the R1200GS is that it is extremely capable on the road and the dirt, but it is not a 500-800cc class motorcycle built more for off-roading. In fact, I think the R1200GS is the best all-around motorcycle likely ever made. Yes, I own one.... I have owned my latest R1200GS for 3 years (purchased new), and my costs for service are far less because I do all my own work. Yes, the BMW oil is ridiculously expensive (and I do use it reluctantly), but there are so many other brands that are much more cost effective and come with the same ratings. I am planning on changing over to one of them the next oil change. I change my own rear-end oil, do my own spline grease, and everything else. I do own the GS911 and love it and can re-sell it for almost what I paid for it if I ever wanted to. I do not do any serious off-roading with the R1200GS motorcycle and my maintenance has been down to oil, filter and I did change the plugs. After owning many other motorcycle brands, I cannot complain about the cost of ownership other than the silly expensive oil. Everything is a consumable on a motorcycle especially off-roading.... My suggestion to anyone reading this is that if you are planning to do serious off-roading, especially if its 30-60% of your riding, get a lighter more nimble bike that is "good enough" to get to where you will be riding. You will not be as happy on the motorways as on a big ADV but off-road you will be far more happy. If you want to load the motorcycle down like Ewan and Charlie and go motoring across the continent at 80+ MPH and be able to handle off roading and maybe even some bad off-road stuff for short periods then a 500-800cc class motorcycle is not your use profile. It is always a trade off. By the way, I am huge fan of the BMW F800GS for a lighter weight off-road capable motorcycle that is still good on the highways. Go try it out. My R1200GS fits my use profile perfectly and it will be in my stable for a long time. Way past its warranty date (which just passed).
@J Wonder well said - buy for what you plan to do. I’m seriously looking at the R1200GS, F800GS and the Africa Twin. Most of my riding is putting around my small valley on the Western Slope of the Rockies, but 3-4 times a year, I pack up my camping gear and jump on the bike and head out for 7-10 days. We will hit 60-70% street and the remainder is dirt. My VStrom has done well, but I’d like 20 more HP on the freeways and an inch or two more suspension off-road. Decisions, decisions.
What about the R1250R maintenance I'm strictly a road Rider I'm considering getting one but is that the same thing cost a lot more than the regular bike the reason I'm concerned that motorcycle no bulshit chain maintenance in an outstanding Performance Bike but is it a rip-off maintenance wise
Thanks for your honesty, and being candid ! Most BMW owners will not talk ! I bought an R1150RT in 2004. Man, that was piece of spending that I regret. The bike is doing 68,000kms, and I have had ABS failure, installed a Chinese starter(better than the original whose magnets crumbled), muffler bracket breaking twice, fuel pump failure, Taillight dropping off and being crushed by the rear wheel, condensation in the headlight for the first 3 years until I discovered the problem, rear brake cotter-pin dropping out, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Never will I buy any European bike again. The Japanese have taught the world about motor vehicles.............................................and I did learn !! Trinidad & Tobago.
Hey Matt. Awesome Vid. Super helpful and informative. Well done for taking the time to explain your (cost) journey. I literally bought a 2nd hand identical bike to yours only 2wks ago! I too was completely and utterly sold on the BMW R1200GS and finally took the plunge after weeks of RUclips’ing. I can honestly say, I don’t recall one negative review... and I’ve watched 100’s!! Regardless, this is going to be my next hobby/adventure and I’m going in to it with (cost) eyes wide open. What your review has done for me is steer me to a more touring and forest roads bias, so thank you for that. Stay safe and keep up the great work!
ADV Matt, this is a wonderful review, very informative, and I learned a lot. Kudos to you for admitting your mistakes (been there!) and sharing your repair & maintenance costs. I own two BMW GSs, both used (with low mileage) and got the cheaper, lighter one before making the financial plunge into the 1200GS. Also took motorcycle mechanics classes so I can repair my bike when I am far from a mechanic shop, so for minor repairs/maintenance, I do those myself at the mechanics shop that offers classes. For major work, the bike goes to the BMW dealer. Have owned several BMW cars (M5 and 3-series), so I was familiar with the costs of BMW ownership. Ironically, my Prius is the best car I've ever owned and have no desire to ever own a BMW car again--except "maybe" their electric cars. Recently retired and gifted myself these "adventure" bikes and took off on long-distance travels! More than 10,000 miles in 12 months, mostly along twisty SCENIC roads (avoiding major highways) and do very few off-road riding. I considered other motorcycles (Honda 500x, VStrom 650 & Triumph), but after doing cost-benefit analysis, the BMW GSs won. The 700GS came out, actually, as the better deal in comparison. In sum, very few folks give detailed info as you did. Very few also are willing to admit their mistakes! It always raised my eyebrows when other reviewers note that BMW GSs have 1) high maintenance costs and 2) (gasp!) are not too reliable. Your video provided support for that view. Thanks for info on the COSTS of your forks and shocks--WOW. Many thanks again.
All motorcycle are costly today. All the extras like fuel injection, ABS brakes, water pumper, etc. Also dealers convince people you have to use there oil or filter. Which is bull. Just use decent oil with proper grade and a filter you would bring cost way down. Had all types of bike European, American, and made in Japan. Drove over 54 yrs. Motorcycle daily. Even bad weather. Loved them all but I prefer old standard. I drive and own a 1964 Ural with sidecar so much fun carving the corners and off roading. Also a old Harley Ironhead chop hardtail love the bouncy frame, both easy to work on, also cheap on parts unless you buy fancy goodies. No fancy goodies for me well weathered and beaten. Also build a VW trike from a square back VW frame and a hardtail modified frame butted together, nice and short only fork sticks out quite a ways.
Respect for telling it how it is... impressive bikes that’s for sure. I ride a lot of off pavement stuff, don’t need or want the weight of a 1250 let alone the GSA... I chose the F850GS for less weight, cost and maintenance. It is more capable off road than the 1250 and fits my needs perfectly at less than 1/2 the cost of the big dog. I regularly ride with guys on the 1250s who struggle with them in off road situations. They really are just big tourers. Cheers from Canada
Agree! I have owned a 2017 F800GS for 2 years (first 3 owners put 600 miles on it, I have 25K) and done Trans-Lab and MABDR among others. My costs are very reasonable because I DIY everything. I use Rotella T6 15W-40 oil at 1/5 the price and MAHLE filters (same as BMW). Recently I rented a R1250GS and took it on Moki Dugway and all of the Burr Trail among others. I loved the big bike on the highway, but would prefer my mid-weight for the gravel and sand anytime. I have postponed the valve check (no start/power issues) but will do it this winter. Tires cost almost as much as gasoline, but insurance can cost much more and I skip it, except as required by law. Hotels would top it all, so I camp, usually for free. KTM might be a better choice than BMW next time, if age or injury don't get me. I don't think the Honda/Yamaha ADV bikes are cheap, tough and reliable.
@@SteelHorse1015 40 miles total 2 up so far, and she's 110 pounds. It's a bonus and I wouldn't leave asphalt. Power is never an issue for me, but the F800GS gets wobbly feeling above 90mph, and the R1250GS was solid to 130mph and felt like it could take more. I've read it's the big front wheel, but it could be the lack of a steering damper, that the big bike includes.
Thx mate! Just sold my Tiger 800 XCa and was planning to get Tiger 900 RP. But there is a waiting list for them... So I find 2018 R1200GS Rally, for fair price, and was already considered to get it. But your video helped me to stick to original plan, waiting for 900RP. Thanks 👍
The thing people really have to keep in mind is bikes may be the most subjective thing you can buy. You can find 100’s of videos of people saying how smooth the pan America gear box is and then I found a few that say it was the worst they ever owned. Bikes are like clothing. We all like totally different feels and what we use them for.
The points you make is why I purchased a Yamaha Super Tenete in 2014...great bike very reliable. I do oil and tyre changes myself. Got close to 10k miles out of a set of Mitas E07 Dakars...just changed them to E09's. But, while it's a very capable BDR bike, it's too big for my ability.... so I'm looking forward to getting a Tenere t700 and eventually using that for long term RTW travel
I so appreciate your candor. I want to get one of these, but I’m probably just wanting the experience and make some friends; but in the end nobody likes broke friends!
You can make friends riding any bike. There are lots of riding groups out there. It doesnt matter what you ride. These are fun bikes to ride but not cheap. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much for that elaborate explanation. What I have liked about you is that you speak the truth, you are not like these other guys who only mention the advantages and fail to talk about the disadvantages. I wanted to order one in January 2022 for my trip to Kenya. Your explanation has changed my thinking and perception about R1200GS. Please give me some light on a cost-effective bike can buy for my trip.Thank you and be blessed
I think the Honda Africa Twin is a really good bike. The KTM 890 Adventure is also a really good bike for about the same cost. It really depends on the type of rising of riding you plan to do. Good luck making your choice. All these bikes are really good. Cheers.
Both shock absorbers are rebuildable, for 200 EUR/shock + shipping. Most users think they're non rebuildable, but they are. Just that there are maybe 2 shops in Europe which can do that, your average suspension shop does not have what's needed for a rebuild on these. I however, do not plan on keeping mine out of the warranty period, which I extended to 5 years.
Great video. I love the GSA and was just about to pull the trigger on one after about 3 years of shopping. Then I found a 2016 KTM1290SAT. I fell in love!!! The power is absolutely insane. Fairly easy to wrench on yourself. Oil change @ 6k intervals. DIY with Amsoil about $60. 18k mi valve check/adjustment. Service reminders are easiy reset using handlebar controls. Comes standard with side panniers, crash bars, cruise, heated grips and seats. I am running K60 Scouts and getting around 12 to 15k on the front and 10k on the rear. I do 80/20, on/off road. It is chain drive and I am not a big fan of the maintenance associated with that, but I'm used to it now. Also chains are fairly inexpensive. I have heard the fuel pumps are problematic in these bikes. I carry a spare aftermarket in the pannier just in case. Can be easily replaced road/trailside with some basic tools. I do love the GS and think they look so much better than KTM but I am really impressed with this 1290SA.
In my opinion every ADV rider should do their own maintenance. You learn a lot about your bike, and that will come in handy in remote areas. The GS way cheaper and easier to maintain than let's say an Africa Twin. Super easy valves access, no chain maintenance, service reset with an OBD link. Tyres and accessories is going to cost exactly the same on any other large ADV bike
Hmm, I get where you are coming from but BMW just had a huge drive shaft recall due to the high number of failures. What was supposed to be a plus left riders stranded. Now that I have gone back to a chain drive, I prefer it, but I like to wrench on my bikes. The valves are easier to get to, but the service interval is twice as frequent as say an AT. I agree, items like tires and oil will cost the same for the big bikes, which is why I have become an advocate for small bikes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I found the costs of service very good especially compared to the Ducati Multistrada that I sold to buy a 1200GSA. I do the services myself because it’s so simple, only have to take it into a specialist BM mechanic for valve clearance and brake flush which cost $200 Aus. No chains and sprockets also a bonus.
Its worth it to get motoscan app for abs and brakes fluid flush. Valves are one of the easiest bikes to work them on. But yeah, I do everything myself - the beemer been pretty much the cheapest bike Ive owned (2011, 2014 gs). Brake pads go fast tho.
Great review. I’m glad I can do my own maintenance and I did buy the GS-911 wifi tool 😀. Fair call on limiting the rough stuff. It will take its toll eventually.
I think I would do the maintenance if I was retired. However, I’d pay for my time on the weekends and on holidays in order to get more time doing what I want.
There are many rules in universe but two rules are most important. Light speed is constant and you never go to dealerships unless under warranty claim. For me BMW GS is no different maintaining than any other adventure heavy bike I owned.
Thank you for this video. I was thinking about getting this bike. Currently I own Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ES and I have decided to stick with it since it has little to no maintenance.
Given the reputation of BMW cars and their expensive maintenance I wondered if their moto division suffered the same fate. Thanks for your honesty and confirming that
I had a 2016 1200GS and loved riding it. But it is a money pit. Now on a Suzuki DR650 and loving it for so many reasons. I service it it for $40 every 10,000 klms ..Happy days now and not concerned about a scratch or dropping it. Cheap to own with valuable fun. Oh..and 70kgs lighter than the GS.
I really considered the DR bit I spend too much time doing highway miles to get where I want to be. The 5 speed transmission seemed limiting. I bought the KTM 390 Adventure and I am loving it.
Interesting video. I do some of the work on my BMW, sort of like you I can check the valves, but not sure if I feel up to doing the work if they need adjustment. I'm not as hard off road as you, so my tire costs are less. As for the suspension, there are plenty of places that do BMW rebuilds out there, with OEM parts. So I do what I can to keep my costs down. Also my nearest dealer is 250km away. So that alone helps motivate me to do what I can. That being said, I have been happy with the work my dealer has done for me, and at a fair price. I always knew it would be more that say a Honda, but like you it was my dream bike. Keep up the good work.
Right on Matt! I loved my GS 1200 but the costs were driving me nuts and I was very concerned about breakage and what parts cost. I had a KLR 650 and my GS. Sold them both and bought a Yamaha T700. Not as comfortable as a touring bike but gets the job done. Still tweaking for comfort on long road trips. Great off road. Valve adjust is at 24,000 miles and most the other stuff I can do myself so should be much less to maintain.
@Liberty Tree Agree, but the guy seemed quite credible when I met him in Utah. He was riding a heavily loaded V-Strom that he owns from Seattle to SF, where he's going to mooch storage until he can return for another adventure. He gets military service credit for volunteering as a mechanic with Israel Police. He rides R1200GS in Tel Aviv. I have his picture, but not his name.
Well all the dollars you save buying GS instead of GSA goes to protection pannier racks and higher windscreen, And in the end the weight is almost equivalent of the GSA when you are finish. But you will miss Alu panniers Had both models and the latest R1200GSA LC It’s simply amazing.
You are right about the cost of adding stuff and the weight does get up there. They are great bikes ridden the right way. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’ve owned 7 BMW’s including 3 Gs’s and besides all the required maintenance, I did not find them to be as reliable or robust as advertised. All the things you mentioned plus the weight combined with my height(5’11”) made for some Pretty spectacular falls and damages that looked like a mechanical prehistoric raptor had chewed it.($$$)My old air/oil 1000cc 1997 bumblebee GS with its lightweight low CG was the pinnacle of BMW’s evolution. I’m quite happy with my KLR. And I take some really gnarly off road trails with the wife on the pillion. Like the trail from Lake City up over engineer’s pass (12,500’) into Silverton-stock. Same fun(actually more) with completely acceptable costs. Took me 7 BMW’s to get the message. You’re figuring it out early.
Great ride over Engineer Pass. Doing it pillion, impressive. You were a dedicated BMW rider. Can't go wrong with the venerable KLR. Does nothing great but can everything. Cheers.
Bought my GSW used. Had 2200 miles. Got it with Motech guards all around, cases on the back, and a tank bag. $16k. I buy my tires online, same for brake pads. Change my own oil, filters, etc. use dealer only for valve checks. Only failed part in 27k miles was a fork seal. It happens...
Great price for the bike. I will do all the maintenance same as you but I have met quiet a few riders that are afraid to do any of the work themselves. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great review I have enquired on other reviews about maintenance up cost. Sometimes things can like service reminder is a joke. Keep up the good reviews.
I have a 2008 R1200GS with 40k miles, i never bought into all of the BMW ridiculous maintenance with this bike, any modern machine that needs that much maintenance is a piece of junk. Its been on a lot of jeep roads, and has been down several times, I simply change the oil every couple years, rear drive oil and the shaft U joint, put on some new tires and air filter. Dont want the Electronic suspension as that has to be too complex and over priced. Only problems have been recall on the fuel pump, rear shock leak which was about $400 for a new replacement, new ignition switch was $140. That is absolutely it, have never checked the valves, runs great. Once again, if anything really needs that much care, it must be a very poor design. Good luck with whatever bike you ride, the GS works fine for me, Thanks!!
The oil cooled GSs are much better bikes. I should have thought twice about the electronic suspension. I got caught up in the hype. I am going to skip the next scheduled valve check and just do oil/air changes like you do. Thanks for watching and commenting.
this should be required viewing for anyone considering this bike (like me). I like the idea of doing all of the work myself but not sure that's realistic. Thanks for sharing
I purchased a ‘20 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I’ve put 26k miles on it in 14 months of adventure riding at the cost of $6,000+ in maintenance. I’ve had no repair costs. What you’ve estimated in costs is actually a savings to me. I have a T7 that I am loving for my type of riding. But, I am looking for a used GSA for my primarily pavement pounding travel. Thanks for sharing!
I've been saying I'm going to sell my R1200 GS for the past three years. But I keep riding it and say "I can't sell it" it rides well. The wife doesn't like climbing on the back, she favors the Interceptor, which is a great little commuter and country road bike. You've got me interested in a 390 ADV. I got a F650GS for the wife and she never rode it. I rode the hell out of it and regret selling it. The feature set on the 390 ADV is impressive for such a small bike. Then I'm getting distracted by the new Stelvio especially since I have a new Moto-Guzzi in my state. The primary issue is that there is only one BMW dealer in my state, and I've seen 3 BMW dealers come and go, so there's never really been more than one at any given time. There seems to be lot more KTM dealers.
Knowing the ownership costs is something nobody talks about. Over time it can be a huge factor. I let the marketing hype influence me. It's hard not to. No bike is perfect for all types of riding. I think the Japanese bikes offer the best value.
Great review Matt. I too have found the cost of owning my 2009 gs a bit off putting when having to take it to a dealer. But they do a good job of keeping it up to spec.(69,000km) So they just had a recall of the fuel pump, which i arranged to have them pick up the bike (added cost).Its winter here in Canada, and i am 90km out of town for the dealer. Then they called saying the front fork was leaking and needed a new seal. And a rear tire ( more cost) so it will be a costly month. I have started to do my own oil changes, but things like this is out of my hands. I love the bike and have had many adventures with it and it has been a sturdy horse. I am looking too upgrade to the 1250 in the future and i can truly believe it will be more of a cost than my current gs. I will beware of course but... love the bike and brand.
Looking for a used 2019-2021 GS/GSA and found your vid. I have owned enough bikes to understand the cost of ownership and how some bikes are more expensive than others to service and maintain. I have avoided BMW for that and other reasons. Things change and am now considering a used one. I can see you took some undeserved heat from the cultists. That part of motorcycle culture lives in all brands. And perhaps even more so in the brands that are expensive since owners have a higher financial commitment. Thank you for sharing and being honest and I will look at your more recent vids.
24000 miles on my NC700X DCT in 2 years and total cost of maintaining it has been $780... Everything... It is why I purchased it. I keep seeing all the big bore bikes and keep thinking I want one... But I seriously will miss the frunk to much.
Great review! I've dreamed about owning a GSA for years, and recently (2 years) those dreams include a ktm 1290 super adventure. And the reality of ownership costs Id consider the African twin, but feel I would cry internally at the lack of power. I currently ride a Ninja 1000. I like the torque. Some day I'll make up my mind on a adventure bike, but your video definitely has left me with a lot to think about moving forward.
I had an Africa Twin. Really good bike. No amount of money will make it a KTM. I Bought an 1090 adventure r. Awesome bike. This spring I bought a 1290 adventure r. Zero regrets. And yes I go off-road. It is heavy and I do dump it. The power is orgasmic. 4 th gear power wheelies at 60 is worth the trade off for me at least. Just my 2 cents.
Service price for me: around 280 for the small service and 400 for the bigger service. I do have to say the price for service on my 2019 was around 40% higher than my 2013. For comparison, the service cost I've experienced is between half and a quarter of what my collegues and friends pay to have their ducati Multistrada serviced or for a Harley. Since I mainly use mine for professional use (highway and city) I do between 16000 and 18000 km on a set of tires on my GSA. I use streettires. Brakepads on the front last me 40000 km and on the rear 30000 km. I've not had aditional costs. If I had they were covered on waranty/revision. Oh, and my bike is tax deductible, so the expenses aren't that bad. And offroad: my GSA is to heavy for me to really take it offroad. I prefer to call it an allroad. But it is ideal for a 1000km trip in a day. A visit different sites for work while avoiding traffic (splitting lanes is legal here).
The BMW stock suspension sucks as far as I’m concerned. I sprang for the top of the line manually adjusted Touretech’s and ditched the ASC button all together. A properly sprung suspension has no need for adjustments while riding. The best ride I never expected
I have been considering doing just that with my suspension. I have never been happy with the suspension offroad. My only concern is the bike will lose some value with loss of functionality. I have a lot to think about.
Matt, Totally agree with the points you have made. I bought a replacement rear shock on eBay. £200 for the shock and £150 to have it fitted at a back street service shop. Huge risk but it worked out and took me from 65,000 to 88,000 miles before I replaced it, the bike that is. The one thing you did not mention was the fog lights. Theses were costing me £200 a year after warranty as on average I found they each failed once a year. For reference I was doing 18:000 miles a year with some off road. For tyres I found continental TKC 70’s a good compromise. Alan
I didn't realize the fog lights failed so frequently, I dont have them. I am trying TKC70s now on my KTM 390 Adventure and love them. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
I get up to 9000 out of the TKC70s and in the UK I have paid over £500 for a BMW service. If you do high mileage they are always changing pads and disks. I had one back street repair shop change my pads. 6 weeks / 3000 miles later a tyre dealer said your pads are nearly out mate. When I challenged the guy who fitted them he said you must ride with your foot on the brake. Funny how I have never done that before or since. I reckon he either did not fit new pads, or fitted really cheap ones, of used some that had some life left. He did not expect someone to burn through them in 6 weeks and hot foot it back. Most bikers take a year or more to do 3000.
Just bought a new Rallye GSA. Amazing to ride. Have fitted Denali lights. One BMW fog light failed in the first three months. Still in warranty of course.
I was loooking at a GS since thet ARE great bikes. I did check into maintenence onle reallly because I was going to buy a BMW car and that maintenence cost is higher than most, Is it worth it? I would say in most cases it is if it is truly the bike you want. What did I do? a 2014 Suzuki Vstrom bought new. Over the years continue to add things depending on riding. First it was more road, then vounteered as a trail rider for a back country riding group so set it u more for that. They are a very changeable platform proven all over the world. It was economical to purchase and maintain. It is very easy to work on also. It is always one of the top ten touring bikes where the GS is usually number one. My bike gets me anywhere I want to go right with the GSs. I am definitely NOT a bike snob, get a bike and ride it where you want to go. I would not discourage anyone from the GS but would say there are great alternatives. In these years of riding year round in weather the only thing I replaced was the battery after 5 years as it was getting week. Tires, fluis, brakes are part of normal maintenance but significantly less expensive than the GS and can use a variety of parts/fluids as most Japanese bikes share those things across brands. I love ADV riding in my retirement years but I am a retired police officer so NOT a very large rerirement package but the Vstrom gets me out exploring and back home again just like most of the others will as well as the GS. Keep riding and be safe my friend, maybe see you out there somewhere!
I don't understand why almost everyone complains about high maintenance cost at dealer when you can easily do it at home with some tools and OBD elm adapter, valve adjustement is very easy and accessible
Not everyone wants to work on their own bikes and not everyone has the ability to work on their own bikes. What might seem easy for us can be really intimidating for people that lack mechanical ability. Also, when I researched this bike not a single person talked about how much it would cost to own this bike. All I saw was how great it was. its hard to know how much a bike will cost to operate it before purchasing if nobody is sharing their experience.
A live in Henderson and three weeks ago I went to Los Osos, CA for a MOA meeting and after that a friend of mine and me decided to extend our trip to Washington. My rear tire was good to ride back home but not to go to Washington so I had to buy a new one, Dunlop Trail Max - $ 314,93. Besides, it was time for the 6.000 miles service after the second year service, so I took my bike to a shop in Livermore. They changed the oil - $ 265,00. When I got back home I had to take my bike to the shop again because there was a leaking on the oil cap seal ring and we figured out that it was time to do the big service because the valves were not adjusted by the shop in Livermore. It cost me $ 845,50 = Labor 4 hours $ 552,00 and parts $ 223 plus shop supplies $ 26,25 hazardous waste fee $ 21,25 and tax $ 22,69. Total cost in less than a month $ 1.425,43. I have been riding a lot lately and because of that I am thinking about having another bike. Depends on the annual cost with service, maybe an African Twin.
Roberto Giraldes I’m torn between the 1200gs and the Africa Twin. After watching this video, I’m leaning towards the Africa Twin, especially because the prices on the AT have dropped a lot for used ones.
Thanks you for the break down of the costs. I've been riding GSA's since 2007 and have owned quite a few of them, currently I own a 1250 with 12000 miles on it. I have looking at other bikes too, but I found that most adventure bikes need upgrading to make it more suitable for off-road riding. I looked at the Yamaha T700 and that also needed €2000 of protection before it was right for me and that's also without luggage. Oil changes on most bike are about the same intervals, so that's not going to save you much and the same goes for tires, same weight same wear. That's why I have the Heidenau Scouts or the Motoz Tractionator GPS on them, they simply last longer. Not well for mud, but certainly good enough on most tracks. I did have to gent new shocks on one of my former GSA's outside of warranty, but with the water cooled bikes it hasn't happened yet (I change bikes about every three years or 100.000 k km) One thing you didn't mention is, that in order to use the Motoscan app, you need to get an Android phone, there is no iPhone app for that. Btw I decided to get me a K1600GT once a couple of years back, now that's a money pit.... And you know my wife rides a R1200GS too, so I've to pay twice :)
I owned a KTM 990 before I got the Pepsi. If you think GS is expensive buy KTM. My 990 maintaince once a year was three times expensive. Ever trued an oil change on a 990? The GS really inexpensive. And every parts you bought extra like crash bars, racks etc, you have to buy for any other bike too. So thats not fair what you said. Here us the rank from inexpensive to expensive GS-Ducati-Harley-KTM in Germany. It depends maybe from county to county. Anyway good video and give thumb up. Uh forgot something. The every year maintaince is important because you can resell it then for high price uf they are all done
Thanks Matt for your advice as a prospective owner
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Congratulation for your video. I live in Brazil, and own a GS/A 1200 with more than 100.000 miles. You may add also to your list a complete clutch overhaul every 30.000 miles.
A point which you haven't brought up, but if you live near the coast, or in a humid climate and/or drive through rivers with any regularity, then you are going to need to strip and grease the drive shaft couplings and splines. If you don't then you'll build up a layer of rust under the "protective" covers. Have this done once a year as a safety measure, or at least every 18 months.
Great point. I live in the desert and rarely see water. I am beginning to question whether shaft drive is really better than a chain drive. Both require routine maintenance and attention. Chain drive is a bit easier to maintain. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt We live at the coast and local dealers having being trying to pressure Motorrad to make driveshafts part of general maintenance. Jury is out on shaft vs chain. I preferred shaft until BMW announced their new lifetime low maintenance chain which should be standard on 2021 models. Do some research, it may get you on the 850 they use at the GS Trophy events. I'm too short unfortunately... 31" inseam! So sad. :-(
Sounds like the bike is so capable, reliable and comfortable for the long distance adventure riding and take you everywhere you like. Glad to know you had a lot of good time riding and the bike wasn’t sitting in the garage or repair shop most of the time. 3 years 60,000 kms off road adventure riding with only front suspension repaired…that sounds pretty decent to me. We change fork oil and seals more frequently than that. All those consumable items oil, tyre, brake pads would apply to all other loaded bikes too, and luckily you don’t have to clean and replace chain and sprockets. Smaller bikes are cheaper but there will be compromises too. Affordable and fit the purpose...way to go
Just went for a test ride on a 1250 GS at my local dealer. After the ride, 100m from the dealer, I was stopped at a traffic light and a violent gust of wind hit me and pushed the bike down. Marseille is known for violent winds, around 100km/h and I happened to be at the point where two buildings funneled the wind. I was well planted, but the wind just pushed the bike to the ground. Not violent, but the bike was on the ground. This test model had no crash bars so it landed on the cylinder head and touched the clutch lever. Result: Cylinder head cover - 195 euros; Spark plug cover - 35 euros; Clutch lever - 75 euros. All for a 30 minute ride. Yes crash bars are necessary !!
I have nearly been blown over at a stop a number of times on this bike. I can barely touch the ground. Its disappointing the smallest of drops can empty your wallet.
Interesting video. Initial cost is high but all bikes are expensive. And then the costs add up the protection plates and bars are needed on every bike so this shouldn't be a big surprise. I think that everyone should take time to learn how to do maintenance to save some money. And remember that if you need a tool, just buy it. Then you have it forever. Service reminders can just be ignored. Watch your mileage like we used to.. sometimes you gotta pay to play.
A premium bike that’s cost money to maintain. Who would’ve guessed. There are no hidden cost of ownership on any machine. Only having one motorcycle will make costs more. Having 2-3 motorcycles will reduce frequency of needed maintenance and repairs.
ADV Matt right?!?! It kills me to have people talk about hidden cost on a premium motorcycle. Like it’s waiting behind a corner waiting to pounce on you like, “haha, got ya bitch, you never saw me coming!”. 🤣🤦♂️ I cannot wait to add a Rocket 3 GT next to my GS. 👍
Sorry you didnt find it valuable. Many riders jump into this without knowing what the costs will be. I certainly jumped into a premium biking without really knowing. It appears you are very well educated on the costs operating these bikes, but not everyone else knows exactly what to expect. Thanks for you comments.
Hi Matt, I did a lot of research before purchasing my Super Tenere. I priced routine parts and service and found the GS way out of my price range. I am in no way bagging on your bike. The GS's are fantastic machines. Just very expensive to maintain and parts are high priced as well. I recommend getting a small tire stand and static balancing stand. It's not that hard to mount and balance them. Good on you for using knobby tires at the expense of tire life. FWIW, all these big bikes are expensive to maintain in hard core off road conditions. I am in the same boat as you when it comes to off roading these "Beasts". I am laughing my ass off with your rethinking. I did the same thing after taking my Super Tenere to Toroweap overlook. I have already taken off the Michelin Wild knobby tires and mounted on street tires. I'll be back to using my Beta for hard core adventure rides. Thank you for your honesty Matt!!
The GS is a great a bike but it comes with a life time of costs. You did what I should have and dug into the costs of the bike. I am not sure what do with it now.
@@advmatt Well, I say enjoy what you have and sell the bike after the warranty ends. The GS's have an amazing resell value. They are not fancy but the new T7 Yamaha sure looks to be a good semi lightweight adventure bike. It can hold your camping gear yet go on some of the rough roads you enjoy. And yes tires are a huge expense that I did not factor in when I purchased my beast. None of the good tires last that give great traction. As far as the E07 tires that are all the rage, I don't think those are going to be good for the dirt roads I have seen you take your bikes on.
Crash bars and skid plate upgrade is 101 with any brand new adventure bike. I opted to buy a T700 due to my off-road desire. I feel like I got best of both worlds for getting there and riding. Super nimble, good usable power, reliable , and for the price I was able to do many upgrades including suspension which is amazing! And I’m still way under the prices of these other bikes. Didn’t really need all the bells and whistle‘s Yet I can still add them. All comes down to what you’re committed to ....a lot of the BMW guys I see are more road oriented. And like most all European bikes they always come with their quirks.
Driving the 2-wheeled Range Rover isn't cheap at all. Got an 2014 R 1200 R Classic. Some things are similiar to your bike. Take care and have a good ride
I have owned 2 BMW GS bikes over the last decade and am buying a new 1250 GS. I ride about 10,000 miles a year (only 6 month riding season in Canada). My maintenance costs run about $1000 CDN a year for new news and service maintenance. I try do brake pads, oil changes myself. Let the BMW shop do brake line flushes and valve checks. The more hardcore you ride your bike the it will cost you. I put a 150,000 km on my old 1150 GS without any major repairs, just oil, air filters and tires.
These bikes are definitely better suited for touring to keep repair costs down. You ride a lot. You must be taking advantage of those long days. Thanks for watching.
Good review mate. Must admit you got me a little bit worried about buying one of these. Costs may be less expensive for mostly toad riding but still making me consider holding onto my vstrom 1000 for a few more years since I don’t do any proper off roading and strom is fine for dirt “roads” lol
The GSs do make really good road bikes. The balance of the bike makes it really fun for riding canyons. Offroad riding adds so much wear tear to any bike. Staying on the roads with this bike will still provide lots of fun riding, but everything for the bike will have a premium price. Thanks for watching.
I've always bought used but plan to buy a new 1250GS so I can at least have one new bike in my lifetime...as this will be my last bike I'm sure. Not sure why you didn't mention an extended warranty, since that seems like a good option in this case. Sterling Noren did a video recently and in it mentioned that he had purchased a 5-year unlimited mileage extended warranty through a company called RPM One, which he thought cost him $1200. A lot of money for sure, but easily worth it in Sterling's shaft drive issue, and the suspension issues you mention. Great breakdown of all the ownership costs, so thanks for doing a video on that!!!
I just saw Sterling's video. I wasn't aware of being able extend the warranty on my bike and I get slammed with spam calls for extended warranties and have trouble trusting them. I may look into it.
I was thinking of selling my K1600 for a GSA because I like doing dirt and exploring. If I was only staying on rod, I’d go with the K1600. It’s a beast and a surprisingly quick peg-scraper.
Despite what the marketing dudes are telling, the GSs are meant to be comfortable long distance tourers not a dual sport. As long as you use it as such you shouldn’t have much issues as far as I have heard. Most users rarely take it beyond an occasional gravel road. Once you start putting in long miles, you sell and buy the next one. Most owners are on their 2nd or 3rd GS which says that keeping it too much beyond the warranty is not preferred and resale especially on the GSA is high which motivates them to sell.
The rate I go through tyres was the big shock for me! My car and bike have similar mileage, still on the first set of car tyres but have given up counting how many tyres I have gone through on the GS.....
Hello. Great channel. Really can feel honest opinion, not sales man. Thanks. I own Honda x adv 750, I had big smile on my face when you said costs of ownership..... One day I will own big gs... when I'm loaded! Hahaha for now xadv does it all even Offroad. For me best bike for now!
Great info on especially the tires...smh. This explains why the dealer doesn't have the meaty tires are not stock on the floor. The 3k mile replacement can be an annoying factor.
Not being able to reset the service reminder yourself? Man. That's some nonsense. This is why the "Right to Repair" lawsuits are popping up in various states.
I feel bad for someone who comes in and finances one of these or any expensive bike for that matter. Many of these bikes aren't maintained properly due to poor financial planning so they end up getting dusty from just sitting in the garage. A buyer must assume that 1/3rd of the price of admission will be maintenance costs. If you cane wrap your head around that you need to reconsider the purchase or downsize. I think your case may be a wee extreme due to tire consumption which is much less if you are strictly a street rider and most GS riders are. It's perfectly okay to admit that. :)
I think the ownership costs for this bike are closer to 50% of the purchase price, the way I rode it. Downsizing was the right decision for my wallet. Cheers.
Very informative video...thank you for your insights...i'm in the market for a motorcycle and like the, Yamaha Super Tenere 1200. Your video help me realize a few things I did not consider.
If you're doing 12 000 miles a year, that's a lot of hours riding. Say 40 Mph average, that's 300 hours. If it cost $3000 dollars per year total, including some extra repairs that's $10 per hour of fun. This is why I chose a Honda NC750X, OK not so capable, but just as much fun IMHO, at 60% of the cost.
Definitely a more affordable choice. I am not doing the offroad on this bike anymore. More tire choices for longer life and less likely to tear the bike up leading to expensive repair bills. Thanks for watching.
V-Strom 650 here. Oil change is 40$, 10$ filter every 3 oil changes. Brake pads if OEM -120$, i bought from ebay for 45$. Chain and sprockets are 130$. GS is a great bike, but not for my budget. It is like 22k OTD? I'd get 4 used v-stroms 650 or 2-3 v-strom 1000. But it is just me. Look into cycle gear. If you buy tires from them and bring your tires dismounted it would be cheap
You're doing it right. A new GS OTD is more like $24k. I have been able to oil changes down to about $70 buying oil in bulk. Its better for sure. A GS rider needs money in there pockets to pay for it all.
It was brought to my attention the valve adjustment can be completed without any special tools. There are is a good tutorial on how to do it a R1200RT. Unfortunately, when I did my research I missed this and found several places that referred to a BMW specific tool.
The GS platform is the most widely used today, for play time and aggressive pursuits. It can boast the most widely situated service in the world.
@@jalexandr55 the GS platform has many variations. I agree they everywhere. Each with its own associated ownership costs. The G310GS of course will be less expensive to own than the new R1250GS. Depending how you ride it the costs will greatly vary. I was trying inform riders out there planning to ride it aggressively that it will have large associated cost. No different than any big adventure bike, but I don't have experience on other brands, yet.. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I gotcha. I have recently seen these videos as well. The guy I'm thinking of buying from has a technician come service his at his shop. So he will get me in contact with him to keep things going so no need for long drives to a dealer. I'm also looking at a 2020 triumph tiger 1200. A top heavy bike doesn't bother me since I'm coming off of a zx 14r
I have 112,000 miles on my GSA. I've ridden in any environment you can imagine. And I absolutely smash it off road. I've crashed it hard once, and got hit by a car another time. The bike is parked outside in the weather, I don't have a garage. I do all my own maintenance in the driveway. I'm still on original shocks, water pump and clutch. My maintenance costs have been minimal.
I run Anake 3s for tires, you'd be surprised how far they'll get you off road.
I run Rotella T6 for oil, you can get a gallon of it at Wallmart for $25.
I haven't adjusted my valves in over 75,000 miles. Don't care, runs fine.
The only part that failed was a drive shaft at 76,000 miles.
If I crashed this bike, I would immediately get another one without even thinking.
What year are you riding? I prefer to do proper maintenance. Many have suggested using Rotel but it's not meant for wet clutches and motorcycle transmissions. It's great if it works but it's not formulated for motorcycles. Non-ESA suspensions seem to last a bit longer. Not sure what year of bike you have, but I am personally aware of several watercooled GSs that had leaky shocks. Glad your bike has ran so well for you.
I would do the same Ilya, maintenance on these bikes is easy to do if you have the interest and patience to get the job done. For the price the dealer charges you could save yourself huge money if you do it yourself. I have a 1100 GS, it's bulletproof and I do almost all repairs on it myself.
@@advmatt I have 2015, ESA shocks, Rotella T6 works fine.
@@ilyafilru yeah I have never had a valve out of spec on my R bikes.. I no have an s1000xr now. We will see how that goes. I'm not a rev bommber though.
Did you lube the drive shaft or was it ignored
I have a lot of respect for you Matt for being able to speak openly about the issues about 1250GS....a lot of owners get possessed once they buy one and say only (best in the world...best in the world...best in the world...)...you are providing an authentic perspective of a true adventurer who is going out to explore instead of sitting in a starbucks bragging about how shinny is the bike
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. It can be risky being honest instead of glowing about bikes.
I have a 2010 GS with 80,000 miles and it’s been very inexpensive to maintain. The valves are easy to adjust and everything thing else is a snap. This bike has been rock solid although I did upgrade to Ohlins suspension and I replaced a leaking fuel fitting. The only time it’s been in the shop was for the tank recalls. My bike was a demo and I paid $14,000 for it. The biggest expense is the accessories but that’s true with any bike. I have a RUclips channel also, I’ll do a full review next month.
I think the oil head 1200GS is a better bike. Less to go wrong, and seems to have less long term problems. Keep on riding your bike.
Thank you for this candid review of ownership cost. I have ridden this and many similar bikes. My V-strom650 cost me less than $5k with 1,349 miles on it . $1500 in farkles/armor and 25,000 miles on/off road later, no issues. Home oil change is less than $20, I've done all fluid changes and brakes myself without issue. I ride with a friend on a 1200GSA who is understandably concerned about devaluing it by riding offroad. I believe he's had 3 warranty repairs in about a year of ownership. I wouldn't trade straight across if I had to keep it. BMW is a better bike, but less reliable, 100 pounds heavier, more complicated and waaay more expensive. Not enough better to justify the the cost imo. I can truly afford either, but I'm pragmatic and seek value over status.
I love my V Strom 1000!! great bike, cheap oil, change my own brakes....which i tend to stay off of - using the engine to slow down.....And easy to fix the chain...Oh, btw, I found it in Newport Beach, CA, 6000 miles on her, 2999.00...on Ebay...what a deal!! lol never ever buy new....Retail is for suckers...
I ride my gs because I enjoy riding it. I don’t ride it for status. I don’t ride dirt and gravel roads in the middle of nowhere to try and show it off. No one is out there. As far as riding it off road of course it’s not a dual sport and you are going to rack up repair costs quick if you treat it like one. It’s a adv touring bike and if you stay in the lane of what it was made for it’s a fabulous bike. I have smashed it into trees and laid it over more times than I can count. It’s not a fairy princess that faints at the first sign of danger but it’s not a kLR either.
@Branion Woody I'm glad you found what best works for you, it's a great bike for sure!
Since I wrote that earlier reply I've put about 24,000 miles on my new/used SuperTenere ES. Under $10,000, cruise control, throttle and tc modes, electronic suspension, shaft drive. It's a great bike.... for me.
@@got_to_roll S10 is the most underrated big bore adv imo. Reliable to a fault.
Best advice I was told: buy what you can afford. Know that any toy will cost you money. All motorcycles will cost $$$. Don't buy new. Let the first owner or two do all the upgrades because there plenty of people who spend the bucks upfront only to lose out when they think they need the next new thing.
That's good advice. It is hard to find a bike that does everything, and is easy to grow with. When the type of riding changes it is not always easy to adapt. I got caught up in "legendary" reliability. It is no different from any other bike. Things break.
@@advmatt Legendary reliability - and what is the combine switch made of? It's the same as on street BMW bikes, made of sh.t - photos.app.goo.gl/aq445mNMJLy9YmcS6 mine broke far away from home, I was brutal and finally just connected wires - ruclips.net/video/mSDBwKclgpI/видео.html - now, when I spent quite a money on rear shock recently, I'm not happy to spend next $$ for new switch, so I made very ugly repairement... which so far works :) ruclips.net/video/Tyz6cSGLO8U/видео.html
Good luck finding a decent used one in 2022.
Mechanics that ride should do more reviews like these, its been 4 days researching for realistic and informative reviews. Thanks Matt, one of the best reviews Ive seen.
Thanks, it has made some BMW owners mad. This was my experience with this bike.
As they say, if you can’t buy it twice, you can’t afford it... and yes always buy second hand and do ALL the maintenance yourself, no dealer will work on your bike the way you would! Oh, and don’t get your parts from the BMW dealer... go straight to the supplier (SKF, Maher etc...)
Very good advice.
...and join the local BMW club.
Everyone is in the same boat and you can buy or swap kit and spares as well as get advice or even hook up with people who regularly do roadside and repairs at home. There's a wealth of knowledge and ready hands to assist.
Absolutely with you on that, just finished the major service on the 1200 GSA I’ve got and it’s been done plus of course the drive shaft splines which the dealerships don’t look at. So much for maintenance free drive line.. valve clearance check and adjust was easy enough to do.
Matt, you touched on it later in the video but I wanted to highlight a few things. After reading the comments to the post I think many people are taking the R1200GS off their list when they shouldn't. My advice is: Know your use profile for any vehicle.
The use profile of the vehicle is very important to selecting and maintaining a vehicle properly. For serious off-road use ANY heavyweight motorcycle will go through tires and other parts such as shocks, bearings, etc. It is simply the amount of weight you are carrying around that causes more tire wear as well as general wear and tear. The joy of the R1200GS is that it is extremely capable on the road and the dirt, but it is not a 500-800cc class motorcycle built more for off-roading. In fact, I think the R1200GS is the best all-around motorcycle likely ever made. Yes, I own one....
I have owned my latest R1200GS for 3 years (purchased new), and my costs for service are far less because I do all my own work. Yes, the BMW oil is ridiculously expensive (and I do use it reluctantly), but there are so many other brands that are much more cost effective and come with the same ratings. I am planning on changing over to one of them the next oil change. I change my own rear-end oil, do my own spline grease, and everything else. I do own the GS911 and love it and can re-sell it for almost what I paid for it if I ever wanted to. I do not do any serious off-roading with the R1200GS motorcycle and my maintenance has been down to oil, filter and I did change the plugs. After owning many other motorcycle brands, I cannot complain about the cost of ownership other than the silly expensive oil. Everything is a consumable on a motorcycle especially off-roading....
My suggestion to anyone reading this is that if you are planning to do serious off-roading, especially if its 30-60% of your riding, get a lighter more nimble bike that is "good enough" to get to where you will be riding. You will not be as happy on the motorways as on a big ADV but off-road you will be far more happy. If you want to load the motorcycle down like Ewan and Charlie and go motoring across the continent at 80+ MPH and be able to handle off roading and maybe even some bad off-road stuff for short periods then a 500-800cc class motorcycle is not your use profile. It is always a trade off.
By the way, I am huge fan of the BMW F800GS for a lighter weight off-road capable motorcycle that is still good on the highways. Go try it out.
My R1200GS fits my use profile perfectly and it will be in my stable for a long time. Way past its warranty date (which just passed).
@J Wonder well said - buy for what you plan to do. I’m seriously looking at the R1200GS, F800GS and the Africa Twin. Most of my riding is putting around my small valley on the Western Slope of the Rockies, but 3-4 times a year, I pack up my camping gear and jump on the bike and head out for 7-10 days. We will hit 60-70% street and the remainder is dirt. My VStrom has done well, but I’d like 20 more HP on the freeways and an inch or two more suspension off-road. Decisions, decisions.
What about the R1250R maintenance I'm strictly a road Rider I'm considering getting one but is that the same thing cost a lot more than the regular bike the reason I'm concerned that motorcycle no bulshit chain maintenance in an outstanding Performance Bike but is it a rip-off maintenance wise
Thank you for your analysis on the costs! Very helpful on my decision making process for a new adventure touring.
I recommend doing a similar cost analysis on any bike you are looking at. The smaller the bike the cheaper to operate.
Thanks for your honesty, and being candid ! Most BMW owners will not talk ! I bought an R1150RT in 2004. Man, that was piece of spending that I regret. The bike is doing 68,000kms, and I have had ABS failure, installed a Chinese starter(better than the original whose magnets crumbled), muffler bracket breaking twice, fuel pump failure, Taillight dropping off and being crushed by the rear wheel, condensation in the headlight for the first 3 years until I discovered the problem, rear brake cotter-pin dropping out, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Never will I buy any European bike again. The Japanese have taught the world about motor vehicles.............................................and I did learn !! Trinidad & Tobago.
Hey Matt. Awesome Vid. Super helpful and informative. Well done for taking the time to explain your (cost) journey.
I literally bought a 2nd hand identical bike to yours only 2wks ago!
I too was completely and utterly sold on the BMW R1200GS and finally took the plunge after weeks of RUclips’ing. I can honestly say, I don’t recall one negative review... and I’ve watched 100’s!! Regardless, this is going to be my next hobby/adventure and I’m going in to it with (cost) eyes wide open. What your review has done for me is steer me to a more touring and forest roads bias, so thank you for that. Stay safe and keep up the great work!
ADV Matt, this is a wonderful review, very informative, and I learned a lot. Kudos to you for admitting your mistakes (been there!) and sharing your repair & maintenance costs. I own two BMW GSs, both used (with low mileage) and got the cheaper, lighter one before making the financial plunge into the 1200GS. Also took motorcycle mechanics classes so I can repair my bike when I am far from a mechanic shop, so for minor repairs/maintenance, I do those myself at the mechanics shop that offers classes. For major work, the bike goes to the BMW dealer.
Have owned several BMW cars (M5 and 3-series), so I was familiar with the costs of BMW ownership. Ironically, my Prius is the best car I've ever owned and have no desire to ever own a BMW car again--except "maybe" their electric cars.
Recently retired and gifted myself these "adventure" bikes and took off on long-distance travels! More than 10,000 miles in 12 months, mostly along twisty SCENIC roads (avoiding major highways) and do very few off-road riding.
I considered other motorcycles (Honda 500x, VStrom 650 & Triumph), but after doing cost-benefit analysis, the BMW GSs won. The 700GS came out, actually, as the better deal in comparison.
In sum, very few folks give detailed info as you did. Very few also are willing to admit their mistakes! It always raised my eyebrows when other reviewers note that BMW GSs have 1) high maintenance costs and 2) (gasp!) are not too reliable. Your video provided support for that view.
Thanks for info on the COSTS of your forks and shocks--WOW.
Many thanks again.
You are right, everyone tells good things into reviews, but they never say about the sides expenses. Thanks for sharing.
All motorcycle are costly today. All the extras like fuel injection, ABS brakes, water pumper, etc. Also dealers convince people you have to use there oil or filter. Which is bull.
Just use decent oil with proper grade and a filter you would bring cost way down.
Had all types of bike European, American, and made in Japan.
Drove over 54 yrs. Motorcycle daily. Even bad weather.
Loved them all but I prefer old standard.
I drive and own a 1964 Ural with sidecar so much fun carving the corners and off roading. Also a old Harley Ironhead chop
hardtail love the bouncy frame, both easy to work on, also cheap on parts unless you buy fancy goodies.
No fancy goodies for me well weathered and beaten. Also build a VW trike from a square back VW frame and a hardtail modified frame butted together, nice and short only fork sticks out quite a ways.
@@bert5209 nice
This is why I never got one and why I sold my Ducati
How do you like your Goldwing?
To maintain a premium product, requires maintenance. I feel your pain! Life is expensive if you want quality products!
There are so many good adventure bikes now it is hard to justify the cost of these bikes now, but they are fun to ride.
That's why it's a good idea to buy a NC750X.
I’m very glad that I watched your video. I was going to get this bike. Thank you very much.
Respect for telling it how it is... impressive bikes that’s for sure. I ride a lot of off pavement stuff, don’t need or want the weight of a 1250 let alone the GSA... I chose the F850GS for less weight, cost and maintenance. It is more capable off road than the 1250 and fits my needs perfectly at less than 1/2 the cost of the big dog. I regularly ride with guys on the 1250s who struggle with them in off road situations. They really are just big tourers. Cheers from Canada
Agree! I have owned a 2017 F800GS for 2 years (first 3 owners put 600 miles on it, I have 25K) and done Trans-Lab and MABDR among others. My costs are very reasonable because I DIY everything. I use Rotella T6 15W-40 oil at 1/5 the price and MAHLE filters (same as BMW). Recently I rented a R1250GS and took it on Moki Dugway and all of the Burr Trail among others. I loved the big bike on the highway, but would prefer my mid-weight for the gravel and sand anytime. I have postponed the valve check (no start/power issues) but will do it this winter. Tires cost almost as much as gasoline, but insurance can cost much more and I skip it, except as required by law. Hotels would top it all, so I camp, usually for free. KTM might be a better choice than BMW next time, if age or injury don't get me. I don't think the Honda/Yamaha ADV bikes are cheap, tough and reliable.
Hey Weaver, do you ever ride 2 up with the 850? Wondering if there is enough power and carrying capacity for 2up?
@@alwynallan same question to you Peter. Do you ever ride 2up on the 800? Enough power and carrying capacity for 2?
@@SteelHorse1015 40 miles total 2 up so far, and she's 110 pounds. It's a bonus and I wouldn't leave asphalt. Power is never an issue for me, but the F800GS gets wobbly feeling above 90mph, and the R1250GS was solid to 130mph and felt like it could take more. I've read it's the big front wheel, but it could be the lack of a steering damper, that the big bike includes.
@@SteelHorse10152 up is strained under 1000cc.
Thx mate!
Just sold my Tiger 800 XCa and was planning to get Tiger 900 RP. But there is a waiting list for them... So I find 2018 R1200GS Rally, for fair price, and was already considered to get it.
But your video helped me to stick to original plan, waiting for 900RP.
Thanks 👍
I have just changed my tiger 800xcx for the 900 rally pro, excellent bikes but 900 is brilliant, BMW to tall for me....
Very informative and lots of stuff to think about. I'm glad I saw this and very glad you made it.
The thing people really have to keep in mind is bikes may be the most subjective thing you can buy. You can find 100’s of videos of people saying how smooth the pan America gear box is and then I found a few that say it was the worst they ever owned. Bikes are like clothing. We all like totally different feels and what we use them for.
Totally agree. It is completely subjective.
Beautiful review , and awesome bike. It's nice to see a breakdown on the cost of ownership of the bmw GS.
The points you make is why I purchased a Yamaha Super Tenete in 2014...great bike very reliable. I do oil and tyre changes myself. Got close to 10k miles out of a set of Mitas E07 Dakars...just changed them to E09's. But, while it's a very capable BDR bike, it's too big for my ability.... so I'm looking forward to getting a Tenere t700 and eventually using that for long term RTW travel
Nice heads up for my GSA I bought last year. Having owned numerous German cars, I'm not surprised about maintenance costs for the bike.
Aprilia v4 valve adjustment $900ish. About $75 for do it yourself oil change with the best Motul oil.
I've known my mechanic so long that he refused to do the V Strom service...Knowing it was a rip off!
I so appreciate your candor. I want to get one of these, but I’m probably just wanting the experience and make some friends; but in the end nobody likes broke friends!
You can make friends riding any bike. There are lots of riding groups out there. It doesnt matter what you ride. These are fun bikes to ride but not cheap. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very much for that elaborate explanation. What I have liked about you is that you speak the truth, you are not like these other guys who only mention the advantages and fail to talk about the disadvantages. I wanted to order one in January 2022 for my trip to Kenya. Your explanation has changed my thinking and perception about R1200GS. Please give me some light on a cost-effective bike can buy for my trip.Thank you and be blessed
I think the Honda Africa Twin is a really good bike. The KTM 890 Adventure is also a really good bike for about the same cost. It really depends on the type of rising of riding you plan to do. Good luck making your choice. All these bikes are really good. Cheers.
Both shock absorbers are rebuildable, for 200 EUR/shock + shipping. Most users think they're non rebuildable, but they are.
Just that there are maybe 2 shops in Europe which can do that, your average suspension shop does not have what's needed for a rebuild on these.
I however, do not plan on keeping mine out of the warranty period, which I extended to 5 years.
Good idea to keep warranty extended. I didnt have that option. Good to know about the rebuild. Thanks.
Thanks for your honesty in this review!!!
Great video. I love the GSA and was just about to pull the trigger on one after about 3 years of shopping. Then I found a 2016 KTM1290SAT. I fell in love!!! The power is absolutely insane. Fairly easy to wrench on yourself. Oil change @ 6k intervals. DIY with Amsoil about $60. 18k mi valve check/adjustment. Service reminders are easiy reset using handlebar controls. Comes standard with side panniers, crash bars, cruise, heated grips and seats. I am running K60 Scouts and getting around 12 to 15k on the front and 10k on the rear. I do 80/20, on/off road. It is chain drive and I am not a big fan of the maintenance associated with that, but I'm used to it now. Also chains are fairly inexpensive. I have heard the fuel pumps are problematic in these bikes. I carry a spare aftermarket in the pannier just in case. Can be easily replaced road/trailside with some basic tools. I do love the GS and think they look so much better than KTM but I am really impressed with this 1290SA.
KTM 1290 SAs are great bikes. You have a nice setup, and ownership costs dont sound too bad.
In my opinion every ADV rider should do their own maintenance. You learn a lot about your bike, and that will come in handy in remote areas. The GS way cheaper and easier to maintain than let's say an Africa Twin. Super easy valves access, no chain maintenance, service reset with an OBD link. Tyres and accessories is going to cost exactly the same on any other large ADV bike
Hmm, I get where you are coming from but BMW just had a huge drive shaft recall due to the high number of failures. What was supposed to be a plus left riders stranded. Now that I have gone back to a chain drive, I prefer it, but I like to wrench on my bikes. The valves are easier to get to, but the service interval is twice as frequent as say an AT. I agree, items like tires and oil will cost the same for the big bikes, which is why I have become an advocate for small bikes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I found the costs of service very good especially compared to the Ducati Multistrada that I sold to buy a 1200GSA. I do the services myself because it’s so simple, only have to take it into a specialist BM mechanic for valve clearance and brake flush which cost $200 Aus. No chains and sprockets also a bonus.
Ooh okay cos i was almost turn off whn i watched this video buh am a big fun tho it’s a dream bike for me
Its worth it to get motoscan app for abs and brakes fluid flush. Valves are one of the easiest bikes to work them on. But yeah, I do everything myself - the beemer been pretty much the cheapest bike Ive owned (2011, 2014 gs). Brake pads go fast tho.
Great review. I’m glad I can do my own maintenance and I did buy the GS-911 wifi tool 😀. Fair call on limiting the rough stuff. It will take its toll eventually.
I think I would do the maintenance if I was retired. However, I’d pay for my time on the weekends and on holidays in order to get more time doing what I want.
There are many rules in universe but two rules are most important. Light speed is constant and you never go to dealerships unless under warranty claim. For me BMW GS is no different maintaining than any other adventure heavy bike I owned.
Then you probably did not own other bikes...Japanese bikes dealers are much more manageable that the beemer ones
This is why we buy Honda 300’s. Forget top of the line high tech dang it.
Thank you for this video. I was thinking about getting this bike. Currently I own Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ES and I have decided to stick with it since it has little to no maintenance.
Given the reputation of BMW cars and their expensive maintenance I wondered if their moto division suffered the same fate. Thanks for your honesty and confirming that
I had a 2016 1200GS and loved riding it. But it is a money pit. Now on a Suzuki DR650 and loving it for so many reasons. I service it it for $40 every 10,000 klms ..Happy days now and not concerned about a scratch or dropping it. Cheap to own with valuable fun. Oh..and 70kgs lighter than the GS.
I really considered the DR bit I spend too much time doing highway miles to get where I want to be. The 5 speed transmission seemed limiting. I bought the KTM 390 Adventure and I am loving it.
Interesting video.
I do some of the work on my BMW, sort of like you I can check the valves, but not sure if I feel up to doing the work if they need adjustment. I'm not as hard off road as you, so my tire costs are less. As for the suspension, there are plenty of places that do BMW rebuilds out there, with OEM parts. So I do what I can to keep my costs down. Also my nearest dealer is 250km away. So that alone helps motivate me to do what I can. That being said, I have been happy with the work my dealer has done for me, and at a fair price.
I always knew it would be more that say a Honda, but like you it was my dream bike.
Keep up the good work.
Right on Matt! I loved my GS 1200 but the costs were driving me nuts and I was very concerned about breakage and what parts cost. I had a KLR 650 and my GS. Sold them both and bought a Yamaha T700. Not as comfortable as a touring bike but gets the job done. Still tweaking for comfort on long road trips. Great off road. Valve adjust is at 24,000 miles and most the other stuff I can do myself so should be much less to maintain.
I have been considering the T700 too for those reasons. I think the GS will also be gone in six months or so. You have a great bike. Cheers
Heard from a mechanic that Israel Police were replacing F800/850GS with T700, but reversed course due to higher operating costs.
@Liberty Tree Agree, but the guy seemed quite credible when I met him in Utah. He was riding a heavily loaded V-Strom that he owns from Seattle to SF, where he's going to mooch storage until he can return for another adventure. He gets military service credit for volunteering as a mechanic with Israel Police. He rides R1200GS in Tel Aviv. I have his picture, but not his name.
you are comparing a gs with a t700? 😀
Matt, thanx buddy....fantastic video!!
Glad you found it helpful.
Well all the dollars you save buying GS instead of GSA goes to protection pannier racks and higher windscreen, And in the end the weight is almost equivalent of the GSA when you are finish. But you will miss Alu panniers Had both models and the latest R1200GSA LC
It’s simply amazing.
You are right about the cost of adding stuff and the weight does get up there. They are great bikes ridden the right way. Thanks for watching and commenting.
If you can’t afford the costs don’t buy the product, maintenance is simple enough too btw
I’ve owned 7 BMW’s including 3 Gs’s and besides all the required maintenance, I did not find them to be as reliable or robust as advertised. All the things you mentioned plus the weight combined with my height(5’11”) made for some
Pretty spectacular falls and damages that looked like a mechanical prehistoric raptor had chewed it.($$$)My old air/oil 1000cc 1997 bumblebee GS with its lightweight low CG was the pinnacle of BMW’s evolution. I’m quite happy with my KLR. And I take some really gnarly off road trails with the wife on the pillion. Like the trail from Lake City up over engineer’s pass (12,500’) into Silverton-stock. Same fun(actually more) with completely acceptable costs. Took me 7 BMW’s to get the message. You’re figuring it out early.
Great ride over Engineer Pass. Doing it pillion, impressive. You were a dedicated BMW rider. Can't go wrong with the venerable KLR. Does nothing great but can everything. Cheers.
@@advmatt Wife used to compete in trials on a Montesa. Knows how to ride. We've been married 43 yrs. :-)
Ok man no off reading for me! Awesome review bro. Ride safe!
Best review for any big bore adventure
Bought my GSW used. Had 2200 miles. Got it with Motech guards all around, cases on the back, and a tank bag. $16k. I buy my tires online, same for brake pads. Change my own oil, filters, etc. use dealer only for valve checks. Only failed part in 27k miles was a fork seal. It happens...
Great price for the bike. I will do all the maintenance same as you but I have met quiet a few riders that are afraid to do any of the work themselves. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great review I have enquired on other reviews about maintenance up cost. Sometimes things can like service reminder is a joke. Keep up the good reviews.
I have a 2008 R1200GS with 40k miles, i never bought into all of the BMW ridiculous maintenance with this bike, any modern machine that needs that much maintenance is a piece of junk. Its been on a lot of jeep roads, and has been down several times, I simply change the oil every couple years, rear drive oil and the shaft U joint, put on some new tires and air filter. Dont want the Electronic suspension as that has to be too complex and over priced. Only problems have been recall on the fuel pump, rear shock leak which was about $400 for a new replacement, new ignition switch was $140. That is absolutely it, have never checked the valves, runs great. Once again, if anything really needs that much care, it must be a very poor design. Good luck with whatever bike you ride, the GS works fine for me, Thanks!!
The oil cooled GSs are much better bikes. I should have thought twice about the electronic suspension. I got caught up in the hype. I am going to skip the next scheduled valve check and just do oil/air changes like you do. Thanks for watching and commenting.
this should be required viewing for anyone considering this bike (like me). I like the idea of doing all of the work myself but not sure that's realistic. Thanks for sharing
Glad you found it useful.
I purchased a ‘20 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I’ve put 26k miles on it in 14 months of adventure riding at the cost of $6,000+ in maintenance. I’ve had no repair costs. What you’ve estimated in costs is actually a savings to me. I have a T7 that I am loving for my type of riding. But, I am looking for a used GSA for my primarily pavement pounding travel. Thanks for sharing!
I've been saying I'm going to sell my R1200 GS for the past three years. But I keep riding it and say "I can't sell it" it rides well. The wife doesn't like climbing on the back, she favors the Interceptor, which is a great little commuter and country road bike. You've got me interested in a 390 ADV. I got a F650GS for the wife and she never rode it. I rode the hell out of it and regret selling it. The feature set on the 390 ADV is impressive for such a small bike. Then I'm getting distracted by the new Stelvio especially since I have a new Moto-Guzzi in my state. The primary issue is that there is only one BMW dealer in my state, and I've seen 3 BMW dealers come and go, so there's never really been more than one at any given time. There seems to be lot more KTM dealers.
I have no regrets letting go of my R1200GS. The 390 Adv and the T7 suit my needs well.
Thanks for your review, it's made me think more about my next bike. I was confused but now I'm just not sure.
Knowing the ownership costs is something nobody talks about. Over time it can be a huge factor. I let the marketing hype influence me. It's hard not to. No bike is perfect for all types of riding. I think the Japanese bikes offer the best value.
Great review Matt. I too have found the cost of owning my 2009 gs a bit off putting when having to take it to a dealer. But they do a good job of keeping it up to spec.(69,000km) So they just had a recall of the fuel pump, which i arranged to have them pick up the bike (added cost).Its winter here in Canada, and i am 90km out of town for the dealer. Then they called saying the front fork was leaking and needed a new seal. And a rear tire ( more cost) so it will be a costly month. I have started to do my own oil changes, but things like this is out of my hands. I love the bike and have had many adventures with it and it has been a sturdy horse. I am looking too upgrade to the 1250 in the future and i can truly believe it will be more of a cost than my current gs. I will beware of course but... love the bike and brand.
Looking for a used 2019-2021 GS/GSA and found your vid. I have owned enough bikes to understand the cost of ownership and how some bikes are more expensive than others to service and maintain. I have avoided BMW for that and other reasons. Things change and am now considering a used one. I can see you took some undeserved heat from the cultists. That part of motorcycle culture lives in all brands. And perhaps even more so in the brands that are expensive since owners have a higher financial commitment. Thank you for sharing and being honest and I will look at your more recent vids.
That's why I love my 1971 R60/5 🤪👍
Hi-Tech=Hi-Expenses.
24000 miles on my NC700X DCT in 2 years and total cost of maintaining it has been $780... Everything... It is why I purchased it. I keep seeing all the big bore bikes and keep thinking I want one... But I seriously will miss the frunk to much.
I am riding a KTM 390 Adventure now and wouldn't go back to a big bike until the weight comes down.
The service/parts center is the biggest profit center for any dealership.
Great review! I've dreamed about owning a GSA for years, and recently (2 years) those dreams include a ktm 1290 super adventure. And the reality of ownership costs Id consider the African twin, but feel I would cry internally at the lack of power. I currently ride a Ninja 1000. I like the torque. Some day I'll make up my mind on a adventure bike, but your video definitely has left me with a lot to think about moving forward.
I had an Africa Twin. Really good bike. No amount of money will make it a KTM. I Bought an 1090 adventure r. Awesome bike. This spring I bought a 1290 adventure r. Zero regrets. And yes I go off-road. It is heavy and I do dump it. The power is orgasmic. 4 th gear power wheelies at 60 is worth the trade off for me at least. Just my 2 cents.
ATs are great bikes. I was considering it prior to buying the GS, if only I could go back and do it again.
Service price for me: around 280 for the small service and 400 for the bigger service. I do have to say the price for service on my 2019 was around 40% higher than my 2013. For comparison, the service cost I've experienced is between half and a quarter of what my collegues and friends pay to have their ducati Multistrada serviced or for a Harley.
Since I mainly use mine for professional use (highway and city) I do between 16000 and 18000 km on a set of tires on my GSA. I use streettires. Brakepads on the front last me 40000 km and on the rear 30000 km. I've not had aditional costs. If I had they were covered on waranty/revision.
Oh, and my bike is tax deductible, so the expenses aren't that bad.
And offroad: my GSA is to heavy for me to really take it offroad. I prefer to call it an allroad. But it is ideal for a 1000km trip in a day. A visit different sites for work while avoiding traffic (splitting lanes is legal here).
The BMW stock suspension sucks as far as I’m concerned. I sprang for the top of the line manually adjusted Touretech’s and ditched the ASC button all together. A properly sprung suspension has no need for adjustments while riding. The best ride I never expected
I have been considering doing just that with my suspension. I have never been happy with the suspension offroad. My only concern is the bike will lose some value with loss of functionality. I have a lot to think about.
Matt, Totally agree with the points you have made. I bought a replacement rear shock on eBay. £200 for the shock and £150 to have it fitted at a back street service shop. Huge risk but it worked out and took me from 65,000 to 88,000 miles before I replaced it, the bike that is. The one thing you did not mention was the fog lights. Theses were costing me £200 a year after warranty as on average I found they each failed once a year. For reference I was doing 18:000 miles a year with some off road. For tyres I found continental TKC 70’s a good compromise. Alan
I didn't realize the fog lights failed so frequently, I dont have them. I am trying TKC70s now on my KTM 390 Adventure and love them. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
I get up to 9000 out of the TKC70s and in the UK I have paid over £500 for a BMW service. If you do high mileage they are always changing pads and disks.
I had one back street repair shop change my pads. 6 weeks / 3000 miles later a tyre dealer said your pads are nearly out mate. When I challenged the guy who fitted them he said you must ride with your foot on the brake. Funny how I have never done that before or since. I reckon he either did not fit new pads, or fitted really cheap ones, of used some that had some life left. He did not expect someone to burn through them in 6 weeks and hot foot it back. Most bikers take a year or more to do 3000.
Just bought a new Rallye GSA. Amazing to ride. Have fitted Denali lights. One BMW fog light failed in the first three months. Still in warranty of course.
I was loooking at a GS since thet ARE great bikes. I did check into maintenence onle reallly because I was going to buy a BMW car and that maintenence cost is higher than most, Is it worth it? I would say in most cases it is if it is truly the bike you want. What did I do? a 2014 Suzuki Vstrom bought new. Over the years continue to add things depending on riding. First it was more road, then vounteered as a trail rider for a back country riding group so set it u more for that. They are a very changeable platform proven all over the world. It was economical to purchase and maintain. It is very easy to work on also. It is always one of the top ten touring bikes where the GS is usually number one. My bike gets me anywhere I want to go right with the GSs. I am definitely NOT a bike snob, get a bike and ride it where you want to go. I would not discourage anyone from the GS but would say there are great alternatives. In these years of riding year round in weather the only thing I replaced was the battery after 5 years as it was getting week. Tires, fluis, brakes are part of normal maintenance but significantly less expensive than the GS and can use a variety of parts/fluids as most Japanese bikes share those things across brands. I love ADV riding in my retirement years but I am a retired police officer so NOT a very large rerirement package but the Vstrom gets me out exploring and back home again just like most of the others will as well as the GS. Keep riding and be safe my friend, maybe see you out there somewhere!
Blimey I’m glad we only ever rode in the road here in the UK .
I don't understand why almost everyone complains about high maintenance cost at dealer when you can easily do it at home with some tools and OBD elm adapter, valve adjustement is very easy and accessible
Not everyone wants to work on their own bikes and not everyone has the ability to work on their own bikes. What might seem easy for us can be really intimidating for people that lack mechanical ability. Also, when I researched this bike not a single person talked about how much it would cost to own this bike. All I saw was how great it was. its hard to know how much a bike will cost to operate it before purchasing if nobody is sharing their experience.
Thanks, as I was looking for an old used GS 1200.
A live in Henderson and three weeks ago I went to Los Osos, CA for a MOA meeting and after that a friend of mine and me decided to extend our trip to Washington. My rear tire was good to ride back home but not to go to Washington so I had to buy a new one, Dunlop Trail Max - $ 314,93. Besides, it was time for the 6.000 miles service after the second year service, so I took my bike to a shop in Livermore. They changed the oil - $ 265,00. When I got back home I had to take my bike to the shop again because there was a leaking on the oil cap seal ring and we figured out that it was time to do the big service because the valves were not adjusted by the shop in Livermore. It cost me $ 845,50 = Labor 4 hours $ 552,00 and parts $ 223 plus shop supplies $ 26,25 hazardous waste fee $ 21,25 and tax $ 22,69. Total cost in less than a month $ 1.425,43. I have been riding a lot lately and because of that I am thinking about having another bike. Depends on the annual cost with service, maybe an African Twin.
My thoughts exactly. Maintenance of other bikes can be much more reasonable, or find a bike you can work on easily.
Roberto Giraldes I’m torn between the 1200gs and the Africa Twin. After watching this video, I’m leaning towards the Africa Twin, especially because the prices on the AT have dropped a lot for used ones.
I have been thinking of trading my GS for an AT too.
Thanks you for the break down of the costs. I've been riding GSA's since 2007 and have owned quite a few of them, currently I own a 1250 with 12000 miles on it. I have looking at other bikes too, but I found that most adventure bikes need upgrading to make it more suitable for off-road riding. I looked at the Yamaha T700 and that also needed €2000 of protection before it was right for me and that's also without luggage. Oil changes on most bike are about the same intervals, so that's not going to save you much and the same goes for tires, same weight same wear. That's why I have the Heidenau Scouts or the Motoz Tractionator GPS on them, they simply last longer. Not well for mud, but certainly good enough on most tracks. I did have to gent new shocks on one of my former GSA's outside of warranty, but with the water cooled bikes it hasn't happened yet (I change bikes about every three years or 100.000 k km) One thing you didn't mention is, that in order to use the Motoscan app, you need to get an Android phone, there is no iPhone app for that. Btw I decided to get me a K1600GT once a couple of years back, now that's a money pit.... And you know my wife rides a R1200GS too, so I've to pay twice :)
That's a lot of expense. Thanks for letting me know Moto Scan is only for Android. I didnt know that.
sphyrnidus I’m a month late, but is the Motoscan app for the OBD device?
Daryl Clifford Yes it is Look at the website motoscan.de or any country they sell it.
sphyrnidus Thank you! Stay safe 👍
Very nice owners perspective of the bike
Not sure if I agree that the GS is more expensive to maintain than a similar bike.
It's not... I have owned a couple of Japanese bikes, and if you take them to the dealer for service the labor rates are the same.
V85 tt is where it's at I'm telling ya lol.
And learn to do your own work, don't buy parts directly from BMW dealer.
I owned a KTM 990 before I got the Pepsi. If you think GS is expensive buy KTM. My 990 maintaince once a year was three times expensive. Ever trued an oil change on a 990? The GS really inexpensive. And every parts you bought extra like crash bars, racks etc, you have to buy for any other bike too. So thats not fair what you said. Here us the rank from inexpensive to expensive GS-Ducati-Harley-KTM in Germany. It depends maybe from county to county. Anyway good video and give thumb up. Uh forgot something. The every year maintaince is important because you can resell it then for high price uf they are all done
@@TheG60528XiJinPing V85GT or V85TT? Moto Guzzi?
@@carnage2009 yeah, auto correct messed it up
Thanks Matt for your advice as a prospective owner
Congratulation for your video. I live in Brazil, and own a GS/A 1200 with more than 100.000 miles. You may add also to your list a complete clutch overhaul every 30.000 miles.
That’s the major sticking point thats kept me from owning one.💰💰💰💰💰💰
I had stars in my eyes and now empty pockets. A lot like dating.
@@advmatt
Stay single, your pockets will jingle.🤑
A point which you haven't brought up, but if you live near the coast, or in a humid climate and/or drive through rivers with any regularity, then you are going to need to strip and grease the drive shaft couplings and splines. If you don't then you'll build up a layer of rust under the "protective" covers. Have this done once a year as a safety measure, or at least every 18 months.
Great point. I live in the desert and rarely see water. I am beginning to question whether shaft drive is really better than a chain drive. Both require routine maintenance and attention. Chain drive is a bit easier to maintain. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt We live at the coast and local dealers having being trying to pressure Motorrad to make driveshafts part of general maintenance.
Jury is out on shaft vs chain. I preferred shaft until BMW announced their new lifetime low maintenance chain which should be standard on 2021 models.
Do some research, it may get you on the 850 they use at the GS Trophy events.
I'm too short unfortunately... 31" inseam! So sad. :-(
Sounds like the bike is so capable, reliable and comfortable for the long distance adventure riding and take you everywhere you like. Glad to know you had a lot of good time riding and the bike wasn’t sitting in the garage or repair shop most of the time. 3 years 60,000 kms off road adventure riding with only front suspension repaired…that sounds pretty decent to me. We change fork oil and seals more frequently than that. All those consumable items oil, tyre, brake pads would apply to all other loaded bikes too, and luckily you don’t have to clean and replace chain and sprockets. Smaller bikes are cheaper but there will be compromises too. Affordable and fit the purpose...way to go
Just went for a test ride on a 1250 GS at my local dealer. After the ride, 100m from the dealer, I was stopped at a traffic light and a violent gust of wind hit me and pushed the bike down. Marseille is known for violent winds, around 100km/h and I happened to be at the point where two buildings funneled the wind. I was well planted, but the wind just pushed the bike to the ground. Not violent, but the bike was on the ground. This test model had no crash bars so it landed on the cylinder head and touched the clutch lever. Result: Cylinder head cover - 195 euros; Spark plug cover - 35 euros; Clutch lever - 75 euros. All for a 30 minute ride. Yes crash bars are necessary !!
I have nearly been blown over at a stop a number of times on this bike. I can barely touch the ground. Its disappointing the smallest of drops can empty your wallet.
@@advmatt I was well planted, not tippy toed. I'm not tall, but not a lightweight either. The wind was incredible...the bill for the parts was also!
Interesting video. Initial cost is high but all bikes are expensive. And then the costs add up the protection plates and bars are needed on every bike so this shouldn't be a big surprise. I think that everyone should take time to learn how to do maintenance to save some money. And remember that if you need a tool, just buy it. Then you have it forever. Service reminders can just be ignored. Watch your mileage like we used to.. sometimes you gotta pay to play.
I moved to a smaller adventure bike. More fun than the big bike at a fraction of the cost. I am not sure premium is worth it.
A premium bike that’s cost money to maintain. Who would’ve guessed. There are no hidden cost of ownership on any machine. Only having one motorcycle will make costs more. Having 2-3 motorcycles will reduce frequency of needed maintenance and repairs.
Agreed, multiple bikes makes individual bike costs go down. That's why I bought a second bike to take wear and tear off of the GS.
ADV Matt right?!?! It kills me to have people talk about hidden cost on a premium motorcycle. Like it’s waiting behind a corner waiting to pounce on you like, “haha, got ya bitch, you never saw me coming!”. 🤣🤦♂️
I cannot wait to add a Rocket 3 GT next to my GS. 👍
Sorry you didnt find it valuable. Many riders jump into this without knowing what the costs will be. I certainly jumped into a premium biking without really knowing. It appears you are very well educated on the costs operating these bikes, but not everyone else knows exactly what to expect. Thanks for you comments.
Hi Matt, I did a lot of research before purchasing my Super Tenere. I priced routine parts and service and found the GS way out of my price range. I am in no way bagging on your bike. The GS's are fantastic machines. Just very expensive to maintain and parts are high priced as well. I recommend getting a small tire stand and static balancing stand. It's not that hard to mount and balance them. Good on you for using knobby tires at the expense of tire life.
FWIW, all these big bikes are expensive to maintain in hard core off road conditions. I am in the same boat as you when it comes to off roading these "Beasts". I am laughing my ass off with your rethinking. I did the same thing after taking my Super Tenere to Toroweap overlook. I have already taken off the Michelin Wild knobby tires and mounted on street tires. I'll be back to using my Beta for hard core adventure rides.
Thank you for your honesty Matt!!
The GS is a great a bike but it comes with a life time of costs. You did what I should have and dug into the costs of the bike. I am not sure what do with it now.
@@advmatt Well, I say enjoy what you have and sell the bike after the warranty ends. The GS's have an amazing resell value. They are not fancy but the new T7 Yamaha sure looks to be a good semi lightweight adventure bike. It can hold your camping gear yet go on some of the rough roads you enjoy.
And yes tires are a huge expense that I did not factor in when I purchased my beast. None of the good tires last that give great traction. As far as the E07 tires that are all the rage, I don't think those are going to be good for the dirt roads I have seen you take your bikes on.
Crash bars and skid plate upgrade is 101 with any brand new adventure bike. I opted to buy a T700 due to my off-road desire. I feel like I got best of both worlds for getting there and riding. Super nimble, good usable power, reliable , and for the price I was able to do many upgrades including suspension which is amazing! And I’m still way under the prices of these other bikes. Didn’t really need all the bells and whistle‘s Yet I can still add them. All comes down to what you’re committed to ....a lot of the BMW guys I see are more road oriented. And like most all European bikes they always come with their quirks.
I agree with you. The T700 seems to be a great all around bike and the value is impressive.
I ride a Suzuki. Other than oil and tire changes, which I do myself, it doesn’t cost anything.
Driving the 2-wheeled Range Rover isn't cheap at all.
Got an 2014 R 1200 R Classic. Some things are similiar to your bike.
Take care and have a good ride
I have owned 2 BMW GS bikes over the last decade and am buying a new 1250 GS. I ride about 10,000 miles a year (only 6 month riding season in Canada). My maintenance costs run about $1000 CDN a year for new news and service maintenance. I try do brake pads, oil changes myself. Let the BMW shop do brake line flushes and valve checks. The more hardcore you ride your bike the it will cost you. I put a 150,000 km on my old 1150 GS without any major repairs, just oil, air filters and tires.
These bikes are definitely better suited for touring to keep repair costs down. You ride a lot. You must be taking advantage of those long days. Thanks for watching.
Good review mate. Must admit you got me a little bit worried about buying one of these. Costs may be less expensive for mostly toad riding but still making me consider holding onto my vstrom 1000 for a few more years since I don’t do any proper off roading and strom is fine for dirt “roads” lol
The GSs do make really good road bikes. The balance of the bike makes it really fun for riding canyons. Offroad riding adds so much wear tear to any bike. Staying on the roads with this bike will still provide lots of fun riding, but everything for the bike will have a premium price. Thanks for watching.
I've always bought used but plan to buy a new 1250GS so I can at least have one new bike in my lifetime...as this will be my last bike I'm sure. Not sure why you didn't mention an extended warranty, since that seems like a good option in this case. Sterling Noren did a video recently and in it mentioned that he had purchased a 5-year unlimited mileage extended warranty through a company called RPM One, which he thought cost him $1200. A lot of money for sure, but easily worth it in Sterling's shaft drive issue, and the suspension issues you mention. Great breakdown of all the ownership costs, so thanks for doing a video on that!!!
I just saw Sterling's video. I wasn't aware of being able extend the warranty on my bike and I get slammed with spam calls for extended warranties and have trouble trusting them. I may look into it.
I was thinking of selling my K1600 for a GSA because I like doing dirt and exploring. If I was only staying on rod, I’d go with the K1600. It’s a beast and a surprisingly quick peg-scraper.
Despite what the marketing dudes are telling, the GSs are meant to be comfortable long distance tourers not a dual sport. As long as you use it as such you shouldn’t have much issues as far as I have heard. Most users rarely take it beyond an occasional gravel road. Once you start putting in long miles, you sell and buy the next one. Most owners are on their 2nd or 3rd GS which says that keeping it too much beyond the warranty is not preferred and resale especially on the GSA is high which motivates them to sell.
The rate I go through tyres was the big shock for me! My car and bike have similar mileage, still on the first set of car tyres but have given up counting how many tyres I have gone through on the GS.....
Glad I watched this. Thanks for the video
Hello. Great channel. Really can feel honest opinion, not sales man. Thanks. I own Honda x adv 750, I had big smile on my face when you said costs of ownership..... One day I will own big gs... when I'm loaded! Hahaha for now xadv does it all even Offroad. For me best bike for now!
Great info on especially the tires...smh. This explains why the dealer doesn't have the meaty tires are not stock on the floor. The 3k mile replacement can be an annoying factor.
Not being able to reset the service reminder yourself? Man. That's some nonsense.
This is why the "Right to Repair" lawsuits are popping up in various states.
I feel bad for someone who comes in and finances one of these or any expensive bike for that matter. Many of these bikes aren't maintained properly due to poor financial planning so they end up getting dusty from just sitting in the garage. A buyer must assume that 1/3rd of the price of admission will be maintenance costs. If you cane wrap your head around that you need to reconsider the purchase or downsize. I think your case may be a wee extreme due to tire consumption which is much less if you are strictly a street rider and most GS riders are. It's perfectly okay to admit that. :)
I think the ownership costs for this bike are closer to 50% of the purchase price, the way I rode it. Downsizing was the right decision for my wallet. Cheers.
Very informative video...thank you for your insights...i'm in the market for a motorcycle and like the, Yamaha Super Tenere 1200. Your video help me realize a few things I did not consider.
Very honest review..now I know other people just doing marketing for bmw...that's it this hidden stuff they don't tell.
Nice video ! Cracking weather ! Dappled light 👍
Great video, very eye opening but appreciated
Love the 1200 Gs rally! But until I seen this bit scared about cost of ownership now!
It's not a cheap bike to own, but none of the premium bikes are.
If you're doing 12 000 miles a year, that's a lot of hours riding. Say 40 Mph average, that's 300 hours. If it cost $3000 dollars per year total, including some extra repairs that's $10 per hour of fun. This is why I chose a Honda NC750X, OK not so capable, but just as much fun IMHO, at 60% of the cost.
Definitely a more affordable choice. I am not doing the offroad on this bike anymore. More tire choices for longer life and less likely to tear the bike up leading to expensive repair bills. Thanks for watching.
V-Strom 650 here. Oil change is 40$, 10$ filter every 3 oil changes. Brake pads if OEM -120$, i bought from ebay for 45$. Chain and sprockets are 130$.
GS is a great bike, but not for my budget. It is like 22k OTD? I'd get 4 used v-stroms 650 or 2-3 v-strom 1000. But it is just me.
Look into cycle gear. If you buy tires from them and bring your tires dismounted it would be cheap
You're doing it right. A new GS OTD is more like $24k. I have been able to oil changes down to about $70 buying oil in bulk. Its better for sure. A GS rider needs money in there pockets to pay for it all.
i still do absolutely love my gsa1250..!! i do ride less miles per year than you do, good review though!